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nebjiamn
01-11-2024, 21:42
i was going to say that i feel like dya has been more reacting to others rather than being proactive (but i just saw they also think baudib is sus, so time to hard townread dya :curtain:)
i will say i had some minor reservations about dya early but the more they've posted the more i've felt they're in their v meta
i think i should trust the long term tell more than my gut cause my gut sucks at reading them but ya
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 21:46
I'm done with dinner, I'm caught up, I'm here till EoD. Have some posts open I want to comment on but if posting here picks up I'll leave that till tomorrow.
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 21:48
Main takeaway from catching up is that Dyachei has grown on me.
Also agree with Benneh's take on Pzelda.
to be clear im not against pzelda dying
i just think baudib is (actively) wolfy
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 21:57
why is contradictory wolfy
Because wolves sometimes pretend to have one attitude that they think is towny while their actions betray a different one. Here hypothetically it would have been "I don't want to read = look at me not being very invested in this game" in opposition with "making game-related posts instead of rvs shitposting = actually I do care about what's happening". Ofc him not being here supports the former and means the following posts were just "trying to get into the game and failing".
Gemma how many games have you played? Have we ever played together
uh
idk
a lot
why
doubt we've played together
Who are the ppl here that you have played with before, if any?
because if jan is a wolf he has zero control over the gamestate and probably dies to poe day 4 after iguessimbussing his team
Can you explain how Jan has less influence on gamestate than you or I do? What does the bolded mean?
Gemma
It's too early for me to have a read on visor benneh but if baud is a hit I think visor looks pretty good.
Also yes cape I think baud has tried to pocket me here and it makes sense from both alignments for him because I Elim him pretty often and he tends to be afraid of me specifically as a wolf.
Not everyone just treats me as a wolf from the get go though so there is room for him to be a villager, I'm just getting really concerned he isn't one
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 22:06
Everyone just pretended that Visor wasn’t outed so …. OK I guess?
tbh I thought you were joking / fishing for reactions when you called him outed, what do you think he did beforehand that was particularly AI in your opinion?
I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.
He was very uncharitable to Wisdom last game where they were both town. I don't think it's AI tbh.
Cuth and Benneh both tried to spew me as their wolf partner. WOW!
How because I missed it.
baudib1
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 22:31
i kind of want people to expand on their baud reads
During my first catchup I noticed Baudib voicing comments a few times that I also had, which might mean they were level 1 thoughts and easy to fake for a wolf but then again nobody else seemed to be making them. If you want I can search for them by tomorrow.
I don't find him as passive if I'm honest (or at least not moreso than the other players) and I also don't necessarily see how his reads are all rational, for example the "Visor outed wolf" bit that seemingly came out of nowhere (assuming he was serious about that bc I honestly didn't take it as such when I first read it). His thoughts also feel like they're meandering which I find towny if not unfakeable. See for example him first saying he won't townread me and then doing so anyway later.
Also I disagree with you that Baudib and Visor don't have partner equity, I could see Baudib fishing about people's positions towards his partner earlier and Visor now pushing him for future cred at a time when Baudib has almost zero chance of going over iyam. Which is not the same as me now having scumreads on either of them.
I can't find the quotes anymore but I also wanted to tell you and Benneh that the idea of Cape (or any wolf in a 10-player game with presumably only one partner) coming in thinking "let's piss off Dyachei on p1 that's a great tactic that surely won't blow up in my face" is inconceivable to me. Even if he's a wolf I won't believe pushing you was premeditated.
dyachei
Raskolnikov
01-11-2024, 22:31
Votecount
pzelda(3): Cuth, Cape, Benneh
Gemma(1): Dya
Baudib(1): VIsor
sleep(1): Baudib
https://media3.giphy.com/media/vbnDgSckQ9eTXXZED3/giphy.gif
EOD in 1 hours, 30 minutes.
During my first catchup I noticed Baudib voicing comments a few times that I also had, which might mean they were level 1 thoughts and easy to fake for a wolf but then again nobody else seemed to be making them. If you want I can search for them by tomorrow.
I don't find him as passive if I'm honest (or at least not moreso than the other players) and I also don't necessarily see how his reads are all rational, for example the "Visor outed wolf" bit that seemingly came out of nowhere (assuming he was serious about that bc I honestly didn't take it as such when I first read it). His thoughts also feel like they're meandering which I find towny if not unfakeable. See for example him first saying he won't townread me and then doing so anyway later.
Also I disagree with you that Baudib and Visor don't have partner equity, I could see Baudib fishing about people's positions towards his partner earlier and Visor now pushing him for future cred at a time when Baudib has almost zero chance of going over iyam. Which is not the same as me now having scumreads on either of them.
I can't find the quotes anymore but I also wanted to tell you and Benneh that the idea of Cape (or any wolf in a 10-player game with presumably only one partner) coming in thinking "let's piss off Dyachei on p1 that's a great tactic that surely won't blow up in my face" is inconceivable to me. Even if he's a wolf I won't believe pushing you was premeditated.
dyachei
I don't mean it was premeditated. I think he saw other people push me and thought yes, I'll do that and I don't think it means a ton about his alignment. But it did set the tone for how people interacted with me this game. And I'm typically not an easy read d1 but almost everyone has felt compelled to give a read on me today.
I don't think he set off to choose violence though
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 22:48
Reminder to self to read pzeldas posts tomorrow but quick snippets seemed yikes
This post isn't great but I guess it's hard to have a real opinion on his posts
Thought rescinded
Visor can you explain the process behind these posts please. "Snippets" makes it sound like you've already looked at them just not in-depth (which is weird for only four posts), and why if you wanted to look at them tomorrow did you do it immediately anyway?
to be clear im not against pzelda dying
i just think baudib is (actively) wolfy
Sell me on wolf!Baudib please.
Visor
Raskolnikov
01-11-2024, 23:00
EOD in 1 hour folks (tally's unchanged)
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 23:06
pzelda/visor feels like a real possibility
Why these two in particular?
ok now what
Vote: Sleep
Ok now whathttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1195125505368789012/Ok_now_what.png?ex=65b2da5c&is=65a0655c&hm=5de4c4abfa0d0403005cf5c0d3e8243c1ab96e7bf8c02a4fe8349c2bd5c3f273&
Ok someone explain the meme to me?
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 23:13
I don't mean it was premeditated. I think he saw other people push me and thought yes, I'll do that and I don't think it means a ton about his alignment. But it did set the tone for how people interacted with me this game. And I'm typically not an easy read d1 but almost everyone has felt compelled to give a read on me today.
I don't think he set off to choose violence though
I am not crazy you both did say this:
I think cape came into this game expecting to push me and is doing exactly that. Idk if cuth was joking or actually telling me it was a wolfy sup (I suspect joking) but it set the mood for how people are treating me this game and tbqh I'm over it entirely.
idk about cape. i dont think mentioning self meta for him here is AI. but i'm looking at his push on dya and i can sorta believe it from his pov but it also feels like he jumped right into it in a pre-planned sorta way
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:20
i uh
really don't want to kill baudib if he's not here
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:25
that said
i did just read over him and i'm not like stoked about his body of work
and he doesn't look partnered with pzelda at a glance
but i still feel more comfortable going there today
I am not crazy you both did say this:
Yes because cuth was already playfully doing so
I don't mean it was premeditated. I think he saw other people push me and thought yes, I'll do that and I don't think it means a ton about his alignment. But it did set the tone for how people interacted with me this game. And I'm typically not an easy read d1 but almost everyone has felt compelled to give a read on me today.
I don't think he set off to choose violence though
what do you mean by that though? Nobody this game has pushed you before me
This thought just also lacks follow up... like why? In the other games I checked out, it's not like you really became a major wagon in any of those
Also baudib's interactions with your slot are part of the reason why you have stated you are suspicious of baudib, so didn't that literally give you information to work off of?
My general reaction to this entire post is "okay and?"
I'm trying to wrap my head around why people trying to solve and give reads on you is a problem right now? We are in a 10 player game, there isn't a lot of options to NOT try to solve everyone early, this isn't a mash to where there are just ignorable slots
Vote: baudib
I get more from this than the Zelda push
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 23:31
i uh
really don't want to kill baudib if he's not here
Vote: Pzelda
That fear goes for Pzelda as well but tbh everybody's other scumleans are too spread out or unconfident for us to agree on anybody else today iyam.
Raskolnikov
01-11-2024, 23:31
Votecount
pzelda(3): Cuth, Cape, Benneh
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib
EOD in 29 minutes.
Cape I'm still going out of my way not to argue with you
Raskolnikov
01-11-2024, 23:32
Votecount
pzelda(4): Cuth, Cape, Benneh, Taffy
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib
EOD in 28 minutes.
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:33
Vote: Gemma
oh.
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:34
baud can you talk about where your head's at in the game
i feel like you were around a decent amount earlier and then tailed off and have been posting here and there but there's no meat on the bones
why do you think gemma's a wolf? who are your top town reads? what do you think about the push on you?
baud can you talk about where your head's at in the game
i feel like you were around a decent amount earlier and then tailed off and have been posting here and there but there's no meat on the bones
why do you think gemma's a wolf? who are your top town reads? what do you think about the push on you?
I just want competitive wagons to see what happens.
I don't really know right now.
One kill is boring
One kill I feel comes out of nowhere and is spearheaded by visor of all people.
And it is not even a cool cdf.
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:38
I just want competitive wagons to see what happens.
and you think that nakedly voting gemma is the best way to accomplish this?
I don't really know right now.
One kill is boring
One kill I feel comes out of nowhere and is spearheaded by visor of all people.
And it is not even a cool cdf.
I spearheaded it too.
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 23:40
and you think that nakedly voting gemma is the best way to accomplish this?
when he voted Dyachei was still voting Gemma so he was choosing between two 1-person wagons one of which was himself
I woke up at some point in the afternoon and fell asleep again. Don’t have a ton of thoughts on the game at the moment.
Visor’s read on Cape makes me blink, and Cape’s read on Cuth is also ????
That said I still lean toward Cape V.
Taffy’s my strongest V read.
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:41
when he voted Dyachei was still voting Gemma so he was choosing between two 1-person wagons one of which was himself
oh fair
it's still pretty uninspiring
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:41
it's good to have lubricated eyeballs
there are a few things that make me think Gemma is town like #181 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852636&viewfull=1#post2053852636).
Feeling the same about dyachei as gemma rn, maybe bumping dya to more villagery then Gemma rn. If baud is wolf, dya is obviously lock town and I don't like how baudib slapped a vote on Gemma and then left.
I woke up at some point in the afternoon and fell asleep again. Don’t have a ton of thoughts on the game at the moment.
Visor’s read on Cape makes me blink, and Cape’s read on Cuth is also ????
That said I still lean toward Cape V.
Taffy’s my strongest V read.
Why do you not like my read there? I think Cuth has been very pro town
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:44
nobody wants town to win more than i do
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:45
there are a few things that make me think Gemma is town like #181 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852636&viewfull=1#post2053852636).
Feeling the same about dyachei as gemma rn, maybe bumping dya to more villagery then Gemma rn. If baud is wolf, dya is obviously lock town and I don't like how baudib slapped a vote on Gemma and then left.
what about that post makes you think gemma!v in particular?
Raskolnikov
01-11-2024, 23:45
EOD in 15 minutes palios
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:46
baud's reentrance was a bit uncanny valley idk how to feel about it
Why do you not like my read there? I think Cuth has been very pro town
One of us is wrong somewhere.
One of us is wrong somewhere.
anything in particular bother you there?
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:48
One of us is wrong somewhere.
why do you not seem to care about being wagoned right now
i uh
really don't want to kill baudib if he's not here
note to self, avoid eods as wolf
anything in particular bother you there?
You/Dya sorta feels V/V. You/Gemma does not feel V/V to me.
why do you not seem to care about being wagoned right now
Why would I care
also wolfy sup, just got back from errands and activities that are entirely unrelated to wolfy lurking
:curtain:
I think I could swap like... Taffy and Cuth in my readslist, but that really doesn't do much, both have been very towny to me
Even when I feel that Cuth says something that is like... kinda NAI, it's one of those things that fails to bother me and I like the way they are navigating the thread.
When I look at most of Taffy's posts this game my brain goes "yeah this is just town" at like 80% of them so
You/Dya sorta feels V/V. You/Gemma does not feel V/V to me.
Why would I care
that didn't answer my question on Cuth
I think Jam/Visor is not a strict dichotomy as much as it is not w/w (I stole this from Taffy).
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:53
note to self, avoid eods as wolf
this is kinda unrelated to this particular case but i think there are times i've like gone on my phone at eod as a wolf and been like hi i'm here and because i'm there people remember i exist and then wagon me because of it
which always feels bad
As much as baud said they didnt wanna flip pzelda and said they are 40% wolf though
I don't know if they just push Gemma here and hold steady there as wolf...
that didn't answer my question on Cuth
Your read on Cuth just sorta came out of nowhere. Let me look back at your list.
this is kinda unrelated to this particular case but i think there are times i've like gone on my phone at eod as a wolf and been like hi i'm here and because i'm there people remember i exist and then wagon me because of it
which always feels bad
yeah its like reminding people, sometimes lurking is better than posting lol, let villagers spiral
anyway
where u at pal
Your read on Cuth just sorta came out of nowhere. Let me look back at your list.
yeah i was mostly talking about my wolf reads tbh today
we got like 5 minutes and nobody is really here so i guess pzelda is dying
shrug
Raskolnikov
01-11-2024, 23:56
Votecount
pzelda(4): Cuth, Cape, Benneh, Taffy
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib
EOD in 4 minutes.
nebjiamn
01-11-2024, 23:56
hi
did i miss anything
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2024, 23:57
we got like 5 minutes and nobody is really here so i guess pzelda is dying
shrug
ngl I seriously considered voting you just to see who would follow
and bc you think killing Ladd D1 is funny
is gemma srsly not voting
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:58
yeah its like reminding people, sometimes lurking is better than posting lol, let villagers spiral
anyway
where u at pal
i feel like the game feels like i feel like right now
to wit
it's like early-mid afternoon and everything feels slightly surreal
there's an dampening overtone of sleepiness to everything
the thread feels tepid in a kinda uncomfortable way
nobody's been doing much of anything and i feel a low degree of confidence in everything except maybe cape and dya trending up over the last little while
but it feels like someone should be caring about something
and nobody is
i feel like the game feels like i feel like right now
to wit
it's like early-mid afternoon and everything feels slightly surreal
there's an dampening overtone of sleepiness to everything
the thread feels tepid in a kinda uncomfortable way
nobody's been doing much of anything and i feel a low degree of confidence in everything except maybe cape and dya trending up over the last little while
but it feels like someone should be caring about something
and nobody is
too much poetry
wolfy
nebjiamn
01-11-2024, 23:58
i'd be inclined to cfd gemma here but it doesnt look like pzelda showed and i dont think im gona bother saving someone who isnt gonna play the game so glgl i guess
Cuthillius
01-11-2024, 23:59
is gemma srsly not voting
go to bed win mafia games ez
nebjiamn
01-11-2024, 23:59
rask should let us night post if we promise to keep it not game related
pzelda dying is fine, even if i think baudib is a wolfy soab
gl everyone
If Zelda flips wolf I’d look pretty hard at Visor.
nebjiamn
01-12-2024, 00:00
see yall on the other side.
If Zelda flips wolf I’d look pretty hard at Visor.
based on what
there is no connection between us lol
pyushing for you to die is theoretically the same as pushing for any other player to die
Cuthillius
01-12-2024, 00:00
If Zelda flips wolf I’d look pretty hard at Visor.
not if they don't?
Cuthillius
01-12-2024, 00:01
glgl
Cuthillius
01-12-2024, 00:01
kill baudib tomorrow yo
if pz flips v sure
Raskolnikov
01-12-2024, 00:01
Stop posting!
pzelda died, flip incoming
Raskolnikov
01-12-2024, 00:02
insert 5 minutes for corrections meme here
Raskolnikov
01-12-2024, 00:05
Final D1 tally:
pzelda(4): Cuth, Cape, Benneh, Taffy
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib
pzelda has been lunched!
He was:
You are Jordan Love, from the Green Bay Packers.
https://sportsnaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NFL-Green-Bay-Packers-at-Philadelphia-Eagles-19518026-788x443.jpg
Vanilla townie, you win when all threats to the town have been removed.
Raskolnikov
01-12-2024, 00:08
It is night, sleep well palios... (Benneh, I'd allow NFL posting smh, but we do have a discord server for that already lol)
SOD is 6PM EST 12th of january.
Send in NAs (PMs here or discord, whatever) one hour before deadline pls yadayadayada
EoD in a bit less than 8 hours :popcorn:
oh that happened quickly
ok this one's just a bit disturbing lol
also what are your reads who do you not want to kill today and who might you want to kill
thoughts on pzelda? thoughts on millet?
i have no thoughts no one's done anything meaningful i guess i'll reread and try to scritch through the leaves
Raskolnikov
01-13-2024, 00:00
SOD2: dyachei has been killed! They were...
Matthew Stafford, from the Los Angeles Rams.
https://sportsnaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/NFL-Los-Angeles-Rams-at-Seattle-Seahawks-21390625.jpg?resize=2048,1365
Vanilla townie, you win when all threats to the town have been removed.
EOD2 in 48 hours. You may now post...
Have fun!
Living players:
Visor
Jan
baudib1
Totally not Taffy
Gemma
nebjiamn
Cape90
Cuthillius
dead players:
pzelda
dyachei
I am not surprised by the flip but this still feels like a choice not everyone makes.
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 00:07
I am not surprised by the flip but this still feels like a choice not everyone makes.
it rules out baudib, that's for sure!
Vote: Taffy
taffy joyless
Is it wrong that I want to clear Gemma for #328.
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 00:15
Is it wrong that I want to clear Gemma for #328.
i think so, yes
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 00:18
?Vote: baudib1
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 00:19
is there maj?
Let’s go Buffalo!
oh are the muscle sacks butting heads again
wait that should be sacs
owell
Can you explain how Jan has less influence on gamestate than you or I do?
that would be hard to do since i don't think that
What does the bolded mean?
iguessimbussing is when wolves townside and end up killing each other because they didn't really do anything for their wincon all game
taffy and baudib are either best friends irl or masons which i don't think ever exists in a 10p game or wolfbuds or i just flat out don't understand the way they've interacted this game
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 00:35
is there maj?
id hope so
I want to suspect Jan just for that first message he posted today, but I don't think it's him :p
Is it wrong that I want to clear Gemma for #328.
didn't notice that at all
I want to suspect Jan just for that first message he posted today, but I don't think it's him :p
I am sad that Dya is gone because we never get to play together these days.
Best case we play a mash say a quick hi and one of us dies.
My partner might overrule if we think dya was a power role. But otherwise it would rarely fit my strategy here.
taffy and baudib are either best friends irl or masons which i don't think ever exists in a 10p game or wolfbuds or i just flat out don't understand the way they've interacted this game
Can you tell me about what bothers you about how they have interacted with one another?
I am sad that Dya is gone because we never get to play together these days.
Best case we play a mash say a quick hi and one of us dies.
My partner might overrule if we think dya was a power role. But otherwise it would rarely fit my strategy here.
fair enough, some level 0 wolves are caught with talking about the NK immediately, however I did have the same thought there
Can you tell me about what bothers you about how they have interacted with one another?
buddying each other a bunch mostly
to be clear i considered it could be because buds but that isn't me saying baudib/taffy w/w i'm just expressing bewilderment / sowing the seeds of destruction etc
My guess includes one of Visor or baudib1 as wolf, dya kill doesn't look good for boob1, however, that could be a picture Visor is trying to paint because most of his content yesterday was "cape towny" "baud is actively wolfy"
Also #230 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852691&viewfull=1#post2053852691) could just be Visor knowing pzelda is town.
On the other side of the coin we have boob1 saying stuff like
Cape I didn’t list Gemma as PoE so I’m not sure where you got that from.
Vote: Gemma
I just want competitive wagons to see what happens.
Which is correct, boob1 didn't even have Gemma as POE
In fact boob1 said this about Gemma
Gemma’s probably too level 1 partnered with Cape for it to be w/w but I hate myself for even saying that.
If Gemma is a villager they’re making reads in a surface level a way that’s probably dangerous. OTOH nothing really has happened, so…
So they defended them here and haven't really wavered on that until they "tried to create competitive wagons to see what happens".
Why not choose like... Visor then?
I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.
This?
This means nothing to me, I don't know why I should believe it.
One of us is wrong somewhere.
Oh and I dont like this response to me (yall can check context there).
Vote: baudib1
While I don't find Visor's logs great, boob1's pushes and what he has been saying in general has felt... off to me looking back, especially the whole Gemma thing, like they didn't even pick off their OWN POE. Probably trying to rope me and benneh in if Gemma is town.
Raskolnikov
01-13-2024, 01:10
is there maj?
Nope.
As much as baud said they didnt wanna flip pzelda and said they are 40% wolf though
I don't know if they just push Gemma here and hold steady there as wolf...
Also coming back to this thought, it ties in to what I said about baud roping me and benneh into voting Gemma.
Because wolves would probably prefer it if pzelda stays alive over Gemma, because at least Gemma has been active day 1 and pzelda is logically an easy late game push as they, you know, posted 4 times yesterday
cape the amount of thinking you do about hypotheticals is wild to me
cape the amount of thinking you do about hypotheticals is wild to me
thanks i try
I don’t THINK it’s Visor now but it could be Visor.
The combinatorics with Visor as wolf go down significantly because Zelda felt like the most natural partner.
Visor/Jan not w/w
visor/Cape is unlikely
Visor/Benneh also unlikely for a couple of interactions both ways
Visor/Gemma possible
Taffy V
Cape/Benneh both V with concerns
Jan is null but I doubt he kills Dya
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 01:46
talk about cuth baud
why's he missin from your lists
Baudib is a wolf
Thanks for attending my ted talk
I don’t THINK it’s Visor now but it could be Visor.
The combinatorics with Visor as wolf go down significantly because Zelda felt like the most natural partner.
Visor/Jan not w/w
visor/Cape is unlikely
Visor/Benneh also unlikely for a couple of interactions both ways
Visor/Gemma possible
who is the wolves then
or rather
who is the villagers
Baudib is a wolf
Thanks for attending my ted talk
it might be among the shortest ever
talk about cuth baud
why's he missin from your lists
Cuth could be anything. My concern with Cape was him having Cuth as his top town and Dya as a wolf.
I could be wrong on Cape.
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 02:14
here's my picoreads list
cape
dya
benneh
gemma
jan
baudib
taffy
visor
pzelda
idk this seems like a pretty pro town readslist
then again theres 2 wolves so how would it not hmm
still
i guess i like cuth
idk this seems like a pretty pro town readslist
then again theres 2 wolves so how would it not hmm
still
i guess i like cuth
benneh are you wolf?
i just don't feel like you should have the opinion that having me as top town is a "pro town" opinion on your end
Also the post makes you look like you gave a half-baked read on Cuth being town, then rolled with it
Cuth could be anything. My concern with Cape was him having Cuth as his top town and Dya as a wolf.
Look
boob1 is doing the broken record tell where wolves like to continuously grasp onto some arbitrary thing to keep paranoia alive
This post is a great example of that
I really don't think both boob1/benneh are wolves because of benneh's vote today, but still (nebjiamn, also if you want me to call you by your username here instead, then i will, but your other username is easier to type lol).
Cape really just be like
“Anyone who thinks a pro-town list has me as top town is wolfy”
Also Cape: “anyone who expresses reservations on me is wolfy.”
Ok bub
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 02:31
benneh are you wolf?
no and im glad im not
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 02:32
i just don't feel like you should have the opinion that having me as top town is a "pro town" opinion on your end
Also the post makes you look like you gave a half-baked read on Cuth being town, then rolled with it
why is that?
I really don't think both boob1/benneh are wolves because of benneh's vote today
whys that
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 02:48
Cuth could be anything. My concern with Cape was him having Cuth as his top town and Dya as a wolf.
dya seems like an odd kill for a cape team
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 03:18
sup gemma
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 03:20
vote:baudib
chalk me uninspired
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 03:21
jan where are you at on gemma and benneh
Cape really just be like
“Anyone who thinks a pro-town list has me as top town is wolfy”
Also Cape: “anyone who expresses reservations on me is wolfy.”
Ok bub
This is a wolf post
why is that?
just didn't line up with your previous read on me
im probly somethin like this, tiers not ordered within etc:
jan
dya
taffy
cuth
baudib
visor
cape
gemma
pzelda
dya seems like an odd kill for a cape team
Hmmm
jan where are you at on gemma and benneh
benneh v.
I should have more respect for his wolfgame, but I don't! Feels very much like his usual villa self. A little bit less involved than normal but this game overall is less involved than most games I have played. So I don't think I can really read much into that.
gemma
I have a long history of us butting heads and when we didn't do that I played cautious because I didn't want things to escalate.
I saw early stuff where I was waiting for people to jump on gemma because her style sometimes feels a bit rough around the edges when people don't know her.
Was hoping for something more to happen so I get content to read into but it never really happened. (This is the gemma stuff I talked about very early on).
A lot of words to say light villla.
Some posts feel like a villager not overthinking and not caring about how people read/react to certain posts. (the post about me being a villa for lack of influence or whatever comes to mind)
I don't feel truly confident about it. Mostly because I respect her ability and don't trust myself.
wow cape totally just snubbed me like that
cuth you've played with taffy before right reread her yo
benneh v.
I should have more respect for his wolfgame, but I don't! Feels very much like his usual villa self. A little bit less involved than normal but this game overall is less involved than most games I have played. So I don't think I can really read much into that.
gemma
I have a long history of us butting heads and when we didn't do that I played cautious because I didn't want things to escalate.
I saw early stuff where I was waiting for people to jump on gemma because her style sometimes feels a bit rough around the edges when people don't know her.
Was hoping for something more to happen so I get content to read into but it never really happened. (This is the gemma stuff I talked about very early on).
A lot of words to say light villla.
Some posts feel like a villager not overthinking and not caring about how people read/react to certain posts. (the post about me being a villa for lack of influence or whatever comes to mind)
I don't feel truly confident about it. Mostly because I respect her ability and don't trust myself.
tbh i was hoping you were cooking a wolfread on me but this is fine ig
also rip benneh lol
i'm laughing at myself this game because my top 4 villas are all the strongest wolves in the game and i'm just fine with it apparently
no one asked but
cuth v because they've been panicking about my alignment all game
jan v because he's chill
benneh v because he's happy to be here
visor v because he's not with benneh
I really wish we had competitive wagons instead of shrugyeeting Zelda but I guess that was inevitable.
We can probably just win the game by finding 1 villager in the Zelda voters, assuming Gemma is a villager.
I really wish we had competitive wagons instead of shrugyeeting Zelda but I guess that was inevitable.
We can probably just win the game by finding 1 villager in the Zelda voters, assuming Gemma is a villager.
Which is probably dumb to assume but I want to angle her clear.
Final D1 tally:
pzelda(4): Cuth, Cape, Benneh, Taffy
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib
pzelda has been lunched!
He was:
You are Jordan Love, from the Green Bay Packers.
https://sportsnaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NFL-Green-Bay-Packers-at-Philadelphia-Eagles-19518026-788x443.jpg
Vanilla townie, you win when all threats to the town have been removed.
Hmmm
Gemma why didn’t you vote?
it rules out baudib, that's for sure!
I assume this is a joke because I would definitely kill Dya.
Hmmm
Gemma why didn’t you vote?
because i whiffed on when eod was
I really wish we had competitive wagons instead of shrugyeeting Zelda but I guess that was inevitable.
We can probably just win the game by finding 1 villager in the Zelda voters, assuming Gemma is a villager.
who do you think it would be
also i was technically voting jan from rvs
smh rask not counting rvs votes at eod
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 04:51
This is a wolf post
just didn't line up with your previous read on me
Oh right that makes sense
my reads have changed a decent bit but I haven’t really elucidated on that itt. I’ll do that later today when I reread some ppl but I think you and Gemma are maybe slightly more v than I had before
Oh right that makes sense
my reads have changed a decent bit but I haven’t really elucidated on that itt. I’ll do that later today when I reread some ppl but I think you and Gemma are maybe slightly more v than I had before
So you don’t think I’m dumb for clearing Gemma?
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 05:12
So you don’t think I’m dumb for clearing Gemma?
The reason you’re clearing Gemma is bad and you should feel bad
I think you and Gemma are maybe slightly more v than I had before
damn
how do i get you to wolfread me again
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 05:39
no one asked but
cuth v because they've been panicking about my alignment all game
jan v because he's chill
benneh v because he's happy to be here
visor v because he's not with benneh
for the record
this post didn't really help
for the record
this post didn't really help
i'm sorry
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 06:18
no one asked but
cuth v because they've been panicking about my alignment all game
jan v because he's chill
benneh v because he's happy to be here
visor v because he's not with benneh
:dizzy2:
:dizzy2:
did you know
taffys a wolf
for the record
this post didn't really help
didn't you say exactly this to me last time you were a wolf
eyes emoji
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:17
didn't you say exactly this to me last time you were a wolf
eyes emoji
interesting
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:18
i'm surprised you have cape lower than the rest
for a bit i was hoping you thought he was a better wolf than benneh or something but alas
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 07:18
did you know
taffys a wolf
wow
maybe not i couldn't find it
oh well
wow
just the sort of shock and awe i was hoping for
i'm surprised you have cape lower than the rest
idk cape is weird they say things like you're blackmailing me i don't know how to parse
i'll probably v read him more later
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:23
jan thanks for the response
i don't think i agree on benneh, but i did also just wolf with him last game here and was quite impressed
that said i think he only makes sense in a smaller subset of worlds
so idk there yet and i don't really feel like thinking about it too hard until later on if nobody's flipped w or whatever
the more i think about it the more i feel like there's a benneh/gemma dichotomy in my head because a lot is revolving around that pairing
i think if gemma's a wolf they're a wolf with someone like you, idk that they play this way if w with baud
but maybe ig
but they're more laid-back than i would expect them to be as a wolf here? while still being engaged
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:24
did you know
taffys a wolf
oh i didn't click this i just assumed it was quoting where you retracted the visor not with benneh statement
spicy
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:25
another thing about both gemma and benneh is that both of you have been treating me weird this game
not in a bad way just a weird way
whyd you decline my invitation to reassess taffy
another thing about both gemma and benneh is that both of you have been treating me weird this game
not in a bad way just a weird way
i disagree
though i cant speak for benneh
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:26
I really wish we had competitive wagons instead of shrugyeeting Zelda but I guess that was inevitable.
We can probably just win the game by finding 1 villager in the Zelda voters, assuming Gemma is a villager.
wait do you have a reason to assume gemma v here or are you just saying that
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:27
never mind i read the subsequent post
the more i think about it the more i feel like there's a benneh/gemma dichotomy in my head because a lot is revolving around that pairing
baudib gonna be excited to hear this
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:27
whyd you decline my invitation to reassess taffy
oh right you asked me about them didn't you
i have played with them a few times and i have no idea how to read them but usually other people have them as like lock town by late d2
that's all i know lmao
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:28
i shouldn't have used the word pairing
a lot is revolving around those two but one of those two but like resolving between the two maybe or just idk
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:29
i disagree
though i cant speak for benneh
i expected you to push me more or at least poke me more
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:35
perhaps to prod
i expected you to push me more or at least poke me more
it might still happen!
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:36
it might still happen!
my tissues are ready
perhaps to prod
perchance to dream?
Totally not Taffy
are you frozen
wait, that's not rude is it?
i can never tell with these things
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 07:50
another thing about both gemma and benneh is that both of you have been treating me weird this game
not in a bad way just a weird way
I’m sorry you feel that way
im just a little villager out here trying to find wolves
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:55
you're fine don't even worry about it it's like disconcerting slash not what i expect weird not i feel bad weird
Cuthillius
01-13-2024, 07:56
unless you're a wolf
in which case maybe worry about it a little
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 08:01
I skipped over your last post cause it’s not relevant at all (this is a hard claim of villager and NOT wolf?)
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 08:01
The mobile formatting adding a question mark to that is super funny
2. Jan: his readslist has Baudib as top town when Baudib had made a handful of NAI posts - lean w
3. Baudib: I've agreed with everything Baudib has said so far - lean v
?????? yo tell me someone can think someone is lean v and also just made nai posts at the same time like this
it's like they're trying to suggest jan has tmi but skipping all the steps needed to actually get to a real read of someone having tmi, like that person providing over the top reasoning... not like that person v reading someone you also v read on page 0
"this person wolfy because they have similar read to me" with no further elaboration is just wild
you might as well wolfread yourself while you're at it
4. Gemma: I'm not voting Gemma D1 in her first game here, if she's a wolf she'll still be a wolf tomorrow and we might get spew - null
5. Dyachei: refusing to read Cape so early was fine, the reason meh, p#86 was overly defensive what with calling Cape's post "a case" and "a push" when he wasn't voting them yet, and their only other read is also Cape-related which shows a very narrow focus - lean w
6. Benneh: I didn't like the way he defended Dyachei, "we aren't linked at the hip etc" was ~:confused: levels of irrelevant to this game. I've liked everything else he has done though - null
7. Cape: this is familiar!Cape, and not having been snowed yet I want to trust that wolf!Cape will feel different - lean v
8. Cuthillius: leaning v bc of how he interacted with my first post and then lost interest, wolves tend to love making chitchat with me SoD to show how comfortable they are in the thread - lean v
9. Pzelda: opening that says he doesn't want to read but then immediately gets down to business, which I find inherently contradictory - lean w
the rest of these are nonreads imo like they don't feel like natural thoughts its tonally wolfy also this is what actually wolfy going through the motions or whatever it was you said cape was early day 1 looks like imo
also the pzelda read is something
Because wolves sometimes pretend to have one attitude that they think is towny while their actions betray a different one. Here hypothetically it would have been "I don't want to read = look at me not being very invested in this game" in opposition with "making game-related posts instead of rvs shitposting = actually I do care about what's happening". Ofc him not being here supports the former and means the following posts were just "trying to get into the game and failing".
this was pzelda's post:
Hello,
Not in mood for reading.
pzelda wolfy because they said they're not in the mood for reading but played the game anyway is the most ungenerous take i think you could possibly make from that
taffys been v reading baudib all game
During my first catchup I noticed Baudib voicing comments a few times that I also had, which might mean they were level 1 thoughts and easy to fake for a wolf but then again nobody else seemed to be making them. If you want I can search for them by tomorrow.
I don't find him as passive if I'm honest (or at least not moreso than the other players) and I also don't necessarily see how his reads are all rational, for example the "Visor outed wolf" bit that seemingly came out of nowhere (assuming he was serious about that bc I honestly didn't take it as such when I first read it). His thoughts also feel like they're meandering which I find towny if not unfakeable. See for example him first saying he won't townread me and then doing so anyway later.
Also I disagree with you that Baudib and Visor don't have partner equity, I could see Baudib fishing about people's positions towards his partner earlier and Visor now pushing him for future cred at a time when Baudib has almost zero chance of going over iyam. Which is not the same as me now having scumreads on either of them.
I can't find the quotes anymore but I also wanted to tell you and Benneh that the idea of Cape (or any wolf in a 10-player game with presumably only one partner) coming in thinking "let's piss off Dyachei on p1 that's a great tactic that surely won't blow up in my face" is inconceivable to me. Even if he's a wolf I won't believe pushing you was premeditated.
dyachei
her baudib read is levels of wonky to me
its out of proportion to what baudib has actually done in a way that i think feels forced
for the amount of effort she's put into her baudib v read (not just in this post) it's wishy washy slash noncommittal, and immediately after trying to convince herself/others baudib is town she moves to considering baudib partners namely visor (also despite not w reading visor) - and shortly afterwards asks visor to sell her on w!baudib. separately these are things that are whatever but together with each other they feel incoherent and dissonant imo
i don't think it fits the bill of a villager with a real read that they're torn about
it looks even worse if baudib flips w (and i currently think he will)
the rest of her posts would just be quoting them saying wolfy tone
/39
Totally not Taffy
01-13-2024, 11:07
Not fully caught up just glanced at things while scrolling. I think it's Gemma/Jan atm.
Gemma bc I found Dyachei's comment about her being just a wolf more convincing than their arguments against Baudib, so if we're sheeping their corpse today that's where I'd want to go.
Jan bc I found his treatment of Visor D1 scummy (case to come) and that would also explain Gemma's pushing me today when I was pretty much the only one who defended her yesterday, as well as him not voting EoD while she was a wagon.
Totally not Taffy
01-13-2024, 11:13
Also I had questions for ppl yesterday and the only one who answered iirc was Dyachei so if you could please check your pings.
Except Benneh I forgot to add a ping to his (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852730&viewfull=1#post2053852730).
Also nebjiamn why did you not vote Gemma EoD after casing her during the day?
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 11:17
bcsuse Gemma got villagery and paella had 4 posts
eeird question when you agreed with my logic on voting Zelda out yesterday
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 11:18
As for why paella and visor felt kinda paired, idk, was just agamestate read at the time and it felt v possivle
we were too locked in step last time we randed wolf together it's good to switch things up
Benneh/Cuth
Can you talk about your wolf game together? This is a fun post.
Taffy:
Gemma seems unpartnered for a multitude of reasons. I suppose that’s not a strong statement in a 2-wolf game where maybe the other wolf is AFKish but not sure who that would be.
baudib gonna be excited to hear this
Wow!
I don’t get why there’s a Benneh/Gemma dichotomy at all, I don’t see any dynamic tying them together.
Totally not Taffy
01-13-2024, 12:30
Jan on Visor D1
Jan's initial micro/bullshit readslist does not have Visor, which is normal since he hadn't posted yet at the time. I'm quoting it here bc he refers to it later.
Cape90
baudib1
dyachei
Totally not Taffy
nebjiamn
Gemma
Cuthillius
Just putting this down for postgame.
capes post is a weird angle to take as a wolf, just kinad weird to read turbo games and come in post 1 not even checking out the vibe just going, here is my text wall of almost zero relevance, look upon my work and despair
benneh/taffy w/w book it
baudib v
dya mild v
cuth mild skComes in late. Copies homework.
I name you the unruly teenager of the game.
Please wear this badge with pride.
He comments here on how similar their initial readslists are. It is shade disguised as a joke. Does not mention the absence of Gemma in Visor's reads (post 96), even though Gemma has posted sufficiently at this time for Benneh's case to come right after (post 110, with no posts by Gemma inbetween).
Since nobody ever bothered to ask a single question about my very early readslist I will tell you because your conclusion is just weirdly lazy.
I thought nobody had done anything of actual value at the time of the list and sorted by small stuff to see a. how bad it is postgame and b create content.
the small stuff for cape and baudib was that both of them really did their own thing and did not care about anything else happening early.
No attempt to look good was made. You could argue both of them purposefully attempted to look bad.
And cuths question to dya just felt like somebody trying to look good by asking a question that looks useful but really is nothing.
Dya on the other hand got some points for basically not caring about cuths questions.
Mikroreads basically and nothing of importance.
The other 3 were firmly null. I just put a space between gemma and ben/you to be a nuisance.
I was very amused that my microreads/bullshit lists from early on was then more or less the same list that visor gave 12 hours later.
Anyways. This is content you could have interacted with on your own but decided to ignore.
More subtle shading of Visor's readslist: "You had 12 hours (and a lot of posts) more and yet your readslist is superficial bullshit". "Amusing" is just another "wofly weird". A town would just say this and attach a scumread, or not say it until they had an actual read. This here is an attempt to get others to sus Visor.
I don't really know right now.
One kill is boring
One kill I feel comes out of nowhere and is spearheaded by visor of all people.
And it is not even a cool cdf.
Visor pushing Baudib is a reason not to vote Baudib. It could be a very clunky defense of partner Baudib. My guess is that it's setting up to push Visor after Baudib flips town. If you really think Visor is that scummy, why not vote a counterwagon? Why not vote Visor? Baudib would have voted Visor, and I made a point of saying I'd considered it too. But no, Jan keeps his hands clean.
Feedback welcome, especially if you still think Visor is scum baudib1.
Totally not Taffy
01-13-2024, 12:36
Taffy:
Gemma seems unpartnered for a multitude of reasons. I suppose that’s not a strong statement in a 2-wolf game where maybe the other wolf is AFKish but not sure who that would be.
Do you mean unpartnered with anybody or unpartnered with Jan in particular? Assuming the first but not sure what you're replying to.
ayo we got a game on our hands
huzzah
Jan always insults me in games lol
(Friendly insults lol (or at least I hope))
He's not really shading me
Do you mean unpartnered with anybody or unpartnered with Jan in particular? Assuming the first but not sure what you're replying to.
Unpartnered with anyone. Seems to be floating free.
If you reread the game from start, Zelda’s entry is ungodly wolfy.
oh i thought that was going to be something more than just jan is a wolf because he sassed visor
well
oh well
that would also explain Gemma's pushing me today when I was pretty much the only one who defended her yesterday
i'm slightly confused by this are you saying as jan's partner i saw into the future and knew you were going to push him so i preemptively decided to push you? or something else (genuine question idgi)
also slightly confused why your defending me is relevant to this iyo (ngl i don't remember that happening but thanks all the same uwu)
Jan always insults me in games lol
(Friendly insults lol (or at least I hope))
He's not really shading me
yeah that.
People who know me know that I do enjoy the occasional banter and friendly insults/shade.
In spaces where you don't know as many people (and some people start fights to the death on d1) the focus sometimes falls on Visor because he is a grown something and can take it
Visor pushing Baudib is a reason not to vote Baudib. It could be a very clunky defense of partner Baudib. My guess is that it's setting up to push Visor after Baudib flips town. If you really think Visor is that scummy, why not vote a counterwagon? Why not vote Visor? Baudib would have voted Visor, and I made a point of saying I'd considered it too. But no, Jan keeps his hands clean.
Feedback welcome, especially if you still think Visor is scum baudib1.
Fair?
To me Visor had not done enough to be readable and I had a soft early v read on baudib.
I was not willing to vote for that. I considered moving for day when she said it, but I was busy and when I got back it was actually 10 seconds to midnight (EoD is a midnight for me which is great and I will listen to "2 minutes to midnight" next time it comes around).
But that is an easy excuse and actual shade if baudib is my partner.
Am I more likely not not react or bus than make my hands dirty without any gain as wolf? yes ofc.
But I am the kind of wolf that busses 3 partners on d1 just to lose in final 4 against 3 mech confirmed villagers.
Not because I am a hell busser, but because sometimes outliving your weak partners makes for a better game than going down with the ship.
Anyways. busy day today. might not really post until midnight when Taffy goes back to sorting lentils.
Raskolnikov
01-13-2024, 15:30
Votecount
baudib(4): Tom O'Malley, No Lynch, Cape90, Cuthalion
Taffy(1): Gemma
https://media.tenor.com/PrIcBajqoTEAAAAM/jared-goff.gif
host note: I am amusing myself with nicks, alts... tell me if you are confused/have difficulties with who's who. (aka skill issued :hide:).
Raskolnikov
01-13-2024, 15:31
EOD in 32 hours and 30 minutes. Gemma
Gemma-Jan is a fun team to think about although it doesn’t seem to fit my mental image of the game atm.
Jan-Cuth or Jan-Cape fits better.
I’m back to thinking Visor is a likely hit as I probably discounted the Visor/Cape pairing too much. Visor/Benneh? Also fun.
Gemma-Jan is a fun team to think about although it doesn’t seem to fit my mental image of the game atm.
Jan-Cuth or Jan-Cape fits better.
I’m back to thinking Visor is a likely hit as I probably discounted the Visor/Cape pairing too much. Visor/Benneh? Also fun.
So your approach to the game is looking at two names next to each other and seeing how much it makes you giggle? :P
So your approach to the game is looking at two names next to each other and seeing how much it makes you giggle? :P
yes duh
Im kinda surprised that you bus as much as you described.
yes duh
Im kinda surprised that you bus as much as you described.
In the end any wolf is a resource. If you can have an easy fast game by powerwolfing you always take that.
But sometimes you realize d1 that a teammate will never make it past d2. No reason not to make sure your team gets a good amount of the cred going around.
The 3 teammate thing happened one time in a dlp game and I hated it, but I knew it was my only way forward without being semi-outted.
And it gave me the cred to get banks killed who screamed I was an outted wolf for pushing on him (and was correct) and nobody cared after he died.
It was precious.
DADV
It doesn't work if you point it out
It doesn't work if you point it out
Ok nvm
nebjiamn
01-13-2024, 21:37
Vote: Nebjiamin
ok.
Cuthillius
01-14-2024, 00:01
baud you should like claim or something
EOD in 32 hours and 30 minutes. Gemma
https://media.tenor.com/UrjPXQBjJD0AAAAM/sweating-wet.gif
In the end any wolf is a resource. If you can have an easy fast game by powerwolfing you always take that.
But sometimes you realize d1 that a teammate will never make it past d2. No reason not to make sure your team gets a good amount of the cred going around.
The 3 teammate thing happened one time in a dlp game and I hated it, but I knew it was my only way forward without being semi-outted.
And it gave me the cred to get banks killed who screamed I was an outted wolf for pushing on him (and was correct) and nobody cared after he died.
It was precious.
that's a genuinely impressive amounts of wolves to bus in 1 day
more than i've bussed in a lifetime
probably no point trying to catch up now
what a wild game
truly the excitemmement is overwhelming
so many things happening
to how to keep up even
??? woah
what a wild game
truly the excitemmement is overwhelming
so many things happening
to how to keep up even
??? woah
It’s chill tho
nebjiamn
01-14-2024, 05:51
night 1 gemma towen
nebjiamn
01-14-2024, 05:52
Benneh/Cuth
Can you talk about your wolf game together? This is a fun post.
we owned some villagers while bussing eachother
nebjiamn
01-14-2024, 05:56
several of you have made very weird reads on me and its bug me out
jan's is the closest to a real thought which is frankly a terrible look for all of you considering his condition (he played video mafia for many years)
Cuthillius
01-14-2024, 07:07
several of you have made very weird reads on me and its bug me out
jan's is the closest to a real thought which is frankly a terrible look for all of you considering his condition (he played video mafia for many years)
i guffawed in a crowded room
night 1 gemma towen
jokes on u im godfather
I never realized how infectious apathy can be
It is one of the hardest states to come back from in my experience.
When Ben is the funniest person in the room you just know nobody cares.
Somebody please be ready to be loud and stupid when we reach tomorrow. This game needs a wake up call.
I never realized how infectious apathy can be
It is one of the hardest states to come back from in my experience.
When Ben is the funniest person in the room you just know nobody cares.
Somebody please be ready to be loud and stupid when we reach tomorrow. This game needs a wake up call.
i did try :v
(to be loud and stupid i mean)
i hope someone wolfreads me for not voting baudib after he flips red
or wolfreads me for being the only person not voting him therefore having tmi that he's flipping v
i hope someone wolfreads me for not voting baudib after he flips red
or wolfreads me for being the only person not voting him therefore having tmi that he's flipping v
Jokes on you I am going for the has never voted in the game record.
We cannot both be wolves if he flips red.
what do yall think of taffy
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:42
Ok I am now properly caught up, barrage of response posts inc.
I found Benneh a bit underwhelming today. I would have liked him to question my Gemma scumread more before revealing the green check if it were real bc hey that's how you catch a wolf.
Leaning town on Visor with two caveats:
- this is the first game he is interacting with my reads if only half-heartedly and the first game Benneh did, Benneh was a wolf
- he is not questioning or interacting with Baudib's posts and a town player should care about pushing another town today since wolves only need two misyeets to win atp (I guess this is me criticising Visor's apathy more than it is actually scumreading it)
Cape still v
Cuth still v but his posts have that "solid without making waves" quality that could be an UTR wolf, however that's an FX problem not a today problem
Jan's response to my post was villagery
Gemma still wolfy
Still not convinced on Baudib but let's cross our fingers
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:45
I know quotes on this site don't show whole conversations, so I went and fetched the main parts of the conversation for ppl to follow:
is jan a villager?
probably
because if jan is a wolf he has zero control over the gamestate and probably dies to poe day 4 after iguessimbussing his team
Can you explain how Jan has less influence on gamestate than you or I do?
that would be hard to do since i don't think that
iguessimbussing is when wolves townside and end up killing each other because they didn't really do anything for their wincon all game
Your townread of Jan was based on the fact that he has "zero control over gamestate" and "isn't doing anything for his wincon". But at the same time you can't show me how he has less influence on gamestate than I do, the person you're pushing.
Either your read on Jan was bogus or I am town as well.
Also why choose to answer that question but not this one from the same post?
Who are the ppl here that you have played with before, if any?
This is not a hard question to answer and my reason for wanting to know should be obvious. This looks like you're cherry picking which parts of my post to quote and interact with which is bad.
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:45
taffy and baudib are either best friends irl or masons which i don't think ever exists in a 10p game or wolfbuds or i just flat out don't understand the way they've interacted this game
Can you tell me about what bothers you about how they have interacted with one another?
buddying each other a bunch mostly
So first we're buddying up, which might be wolfy
to be clear i considered it could be because buds but that isn't me saying baudib/taffy w/w i'm just expressing bewilderment / sowing the seeds of destruction etc
though not really
taffys been v reading baudib all game
Here I'm sus for townreading Baudib, and then you continue in the same post:
her baudib read is levels of wonky to me
its out of proportion to what baudib has actually done in a way that i think feels forced
for the amount of effort she's put into her baudib v read (not just in this post) it's wishy washy slash noncommittal, and immediately after trying to convince herself/others baudib is town she moves to considering baudib partners namely visor (also despite not w reading visor) - and shortly afterwards asks visor to sell her on w!baudib. separately these are things that are whatever but together with each other they feel incoherent and dissonant imo
i don't think it fits the bill of a villager with a real read that they're torn about
it looks even worse if baudib flips w (and i currently think he will)
with pointing out where I have been willing to consider I might be wrong and Baudib could be a wolf. You can't have it both ways: either I am sus for townreading Baudib all game OR I am sus for considering wolf!Baudib worlds while previously townreading him, but I can't be doing both.
You seem to be intent on wolfreading me over my Baudib read no matter what it is and that's bad².
What I said about Visor/Baudib was a rebuttal of Dyachei's reasons for unpairing the two because I had a different interpretation of Baudib's posts and the value of Visor's push which is quite clear in my post. Referencing it out of context here is bad³
I started off with townleaning Baudib this game and so far I have disagreed with people's reasons for scumreading him, and I have explained why each time. I do not see how he is more passive than other players (Visor's read) or that he is constructing his reads in a way that's too rational (Dyachei's read) or that his vote for you D1 was scummy (part of Cape's read). I'm not exactly sure what Cuth is scumreading him for.
Asking the person pushing someone I think is town to better explain their read to me should not confuse you. I am trying to understand what people think and why, while at the same time communicating my own reads.
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:46
So they defended them here and haven't really wavered on that until they "tried to create competitive wagons to see what happens".
While I don't find Visor's logs great, boob1's pushes and what he has been saying in general has felt... off to me looking back, especially the whole Gemma thing, like they didn't even pick off their OWN POE. Probably trying to rope me and benneh in if Gemma is town.
Cuth said something similar EoD but like I replied then, when Baudib voted there were three existing wagons: Pzelda (3 or 4 idr), Baudib (1), and Gemma (1). Gemma really was the only option for a "competing" wagon at the time.
Now why he didn't start a wagon on Visor after Dyachei moved if he felt strongly about him being scum is a fair question, but the Gemma vote makes sense unless he was townreading Gemma before.
Also coming back to this thought, it ties in to what I said about baud roping me and benneh into voting Gemma.
Because wolves would probably prefer it if pzelda stays alive over Gemma, because at least Gemma has been active day 1 and pzelda is logically an easy late game push as they, you know, posted 4 times yesterday
This is a good thought. Cape still v
Also the observation in p379 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852862&viewfull=1#post2053852862) about Benneh's reads was good. Also liked Benneh's reply.
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:47
benneh are you wolf?
i just don't feel like you should have the opinion that having me as top town is a "pro town" opinion on your end
Also the post makes you look like you gave a half-baked read on Cuth being town, then rolled with it
Cuth could be anything. My concern with Cape was him having Cuth as his top town and Dya as a wolf.
Look
boob1 is doing the broken record tell where wolves like to continuously grasp onto some arbitrary thing to keep paranoia alive
This post is a great example of that
I really don't think both boob1/benneh are wolves because of benneh's vote today, but still (nebjiamn, also if you want me to call you by your username here instead, then i will, but your other username is easier to type lol).
Cape your reason for thinking Benneh shouldn't townread Cuth for having you as top town is the same as Baudib's reason for scumreading the fact that you have Cuth as top town.
"You have someone as your top town who you shouldn't reasonably be townreading" applies to Benneh and yourself equally.
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:48
I really wish we had competitive wagons instead of shrugyeeting Zelda but I guess that was inevitable.
We can probably just win the game by finding 1 villager in the Zelda voters, assuming Gemma is a villager.
This is bad reasoning bc as wolf if you feel it coming that a LHF town is getting shrugyeeted D1 you stay off of that shit. It would really surprise me if both wolves were on the Pzelda wagon.
Final D1 tally:
pzelda(4): Cuth, Cape, Benneh, Taffy
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib
Also combine this with your SoD reads:
I don’t THINK it’s Visor now but it could be Visor.
The combinatorics with Visor as wolf go down significantly because Zelda felt like the most natural partner.
Visor/Jan not w/w
visor/Cape is unlikely
Visor/Benneh also unlikely for a couple of interactions both ways
Visor/Gemma possible
Taffy V
Cape/Benneh both V with concerns
Jan is null but I doubt he kills Dya
Why are you not pushing Cuth? baudib1
More importantly why has nobody else asked this question. We're at L-2 and nobody is paying attention to what you're doing, this is bad.
Visor I already asked yesterday but please make a case on Baudib that's more elaborate than "he's passive" and "trust me bros".
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:50
?????? yo tell me someone can think someone is lean v and also just made nai posts at the same time like this
it's like they're trying to suggest jan has tmi but skipping all the steps needed to actually get to a real read of someone having tmi, like that person providing over the top reasoning... not like that person v reading someone you also v read on page 0
"this person wolfy because they have similar read to me" with no further elaboration is just wild
you might as well wolfread yourself while you're at it
Jan's early readslist was post 48 when Baudib had made two posts, namely these two:
Wow where to begin
A purposely wolfy opener. This is NAI
Is Neb a noob? They seem like a noob to me.
Calling Benneh a noob. This is also NAI
...two NAI joke posts. Yes I will scumread someone who puts this as top town.
My readslist was post 133, when Baudib had made 17 posts, and my townread was based on the following:
Cape wok you say I am good or bad at reading you at this point. I actually don’t know.
That’s not what I asked though. I don’t expect anyone to have a read on me at this point.
First mindmeld, I also thought "this is not an answer to the actual question" and it shows that Baudib actually cares about his question to Cape instead of just asking to have interactions with the other players. He also acknowledges here that he hasn't done anything AI yet which lined up with my own opinion.
Cape’s style is completely different in turbos and mashes.
I can see a world where W!Benneh or W!Dya uses “I can’t really read Cape” as an excuse to use kind of throw their hands up and encourage pushes on him. Can also see W!Cape trying to sow distrust among strong villagers, but I’m not quite sure that’s his wolfing style.
I’m not inclined to go there today when he’s seemingly generating more mafia related content than anyone else so far.
If you want a hottish take, the wolf sitting back and watching with glee here could be Jan.
This mirrored my own feelings about Cape and Jan at that time.
PZelda’s opener was pretty cringe but maybe not in a wolfy wsy. We can wait for him to do the coffee tell.
Dya’s response in #86 is probably > rand V for them.
This game doesn’t really start until Visor gets here imo.
I also found Pzelda's opener cringe.
Gemma’s probably too level 1 partnered with Cape for it to be w/w but I hate myself for even saying that.
If Gemma is a villager they’re making reads in a surface level a way that’s probably dangerous. OTOH nothing really has happened, so…
I had not thought either of these but I agreed when I read them.
If this were a turbo I’d say Benneh giving Taffy a tonal V read is probably V for him because the turbo population isn’t great at reading her.
I, on the other hand, refuse to give Taffy a V!lean (cuz I’m a wolf ldo).
Benneh has only recently started trying to read me D1, his read this game felt in line wiith the ones he's made in turboes but he could have gotten away with not making one. He probably also knows that I tend to be suspicious of people who townread me early so this is a fair read on Benneh.
Baudib likewise has only started trying to read me recently so not wanting to do so until I posted more was fine.
Why am I V? I’ve done nothing.
I disagree that he had done nothing, but it's a fair question.
Vote: Jan
I too thought that Jan was likely a wolf at that point, and probably for similar reasons.
You are comparing apples and oranges, Gemma.
the rest of these are nonreads imo like they don't feel like natural thoughts its tonally wolfy also this is what actually wolfy going through the motions or whatever it was you said cape was early day 1 looks like imo
also the pzelda read is something
this was pzelda's post:
pzelda wolfy because they said they're not in the mood for reading but played the game anyway is the most ungenerous take i think you could possibly make from that
No, Pzelda wolfy for saying he doesn't want to read and then in his next posts interacting and asking serious questions which requires reading, instead of coming in thread, saying he doesn't want to read, and joking around with people.
The rest of this post I've already responded to.
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:50
ah I broke the spoiler on that one, mea culpa
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:51
Totally not Taffy
are you frozen
wait, that's not rude is it?
i can never tell with these things
You know that I live in Spain. SoD is midnight (I even said it was 1am when I left rvs). You asked this at 7:30am. It's not so much rude as unreasonable to expect me to have done anything other than look at the flip and go to bed.
oh i thought that was going to be something more than just jan is a wolf because he sassed visor
well
oh well
Well I was going to iso Jan after but ngl I felt quite deflated that I look at Jan's Visor posts and go "yes this is a clear wolf let's yeet it" but then it's met with a resounding "meh" from the other players. I guess I still could but between Dyachei townreading him and Visor telling me it's NAI I don't feel like it's worth it anymore.
i'm slightly confused by this are you saying as jan's partner i saw into the future and knew you were going to push him so i preemptively decided to push you? or something else (genuine question idgi)
also slightly confused why your defending me is relevant to this iyo (ngl i don't remember that happening but thanks all the same uwu)
No I already scumread Jan yesterday so it would make sense for his partner to push me rather than him doing it himself. Requires no foreknowledge of my push today.
What I said was actually not true I'm pretty sure Cuth defended you as well and with better reasoning tbh.
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 16:54
DADV
Sometimes town just finds a wolf and sits on it, it happens.
Also there's really not much two wolves can really accomplish without obviously pairing themselves.
Also look at me pairing us isn't it great!
I## be honest.
I had no wolfread on baudib going into today.
I think baudibs reaction to this push today is underwhelming.
Knowing you are the likely execution should put you in a mood to fight back or just give up.
But he really does not do either.
There is no urgency which I would expect as the 2nd villa on the block after d1.
Raskolnikov
01-14-2024, 17:43
Votecount
baudib(4): Benneh, Visor, Cape90, Cuth
Taffy(1): Gemma
Benneh(1): baudib
https://media1.giphy.com/media/3McruKxflKTnKT7P8Q/giphy.gif
EOD in 6 hours (and 17 minutes)
Totally not Taffy
01-14-2024, 17:50
I## be honest.
I had no wolfread on baudib going into today.
I think baudibs reaction to this push today is underwhelming.
Knowing you are the likely execution should put you in a mood to fight back or just give up.
But he really does not do either.
There is no urgency which I would expect as the 2nd villa on the block after d1.
See, as wolf I'd expect Baudib to make a hard push on some town to get that second town yeet before dying tomorrow leaving his partner to only need one more.
As town he knows if he pushes the wrong person today we probably lose over it bc he definitely goes tomorrow.
His lack of confidence today mirrors his indecisiveness in F3s where he has hammer.
See, as wolf I'd expect Baudib to make a hard push on some town to get that second town yeet before dying tomorrow leaving his partner to only need one more.
As town he knows if he pushes the wrong person today we probably lose over it bc he definitely goes tomorrow.
His lack of confidence today mirrors his indecisiveness in F3s where he has hammer.
I have no real history with baudib outside of mashes tbh so I can really only take your word for it.
To me a wolf does not want to clear anybody by getting too many reactions when they think they are going down anyway.
Even if you don't find a wolf or push a wolf as villa when in this game state you just have to bleed villa to make people see it.
This is the weirdest game I ever played so I don't even know if I could do it because I don't feel like I have a good grasp on the game.
Right now I think I list like this:
Totally not Taffy
Cape90
nebjiamn
Gemma
Cuthillius
Visor
baudib1
But like Taffy I feel good about because of the work today. the early push on me kind of felt like a mimic of d2 last game where taffy started d2 with this plan.
And feeling somewhat deflated but still doing work after people just blew him off. I just believe all of it.
I don't think cape does that push on day all of d1 to just do that nightkill.
I have no reason to villa read visor but I don't think visor is with baudib, which means there is at most 1 wolf in between.
ben and gemma I still have as villa leans but not like .. lock in confidence.
Cuth is where I would be looking at if I cared more.
Because if Cuth is a villa then I am clearly wrong somewhere else and if Cuth is a wolf then I feel fine about the gamestate.
Vote: Visor
I think my reasons for lightly clearing him off the Zelda flip were probably wrong and dumb.
I am also just not convinced his confidence in the Cape V read is real, even if I do think Cape is V way more often than not.
Like I’m not sure if both wolves just park in me here or if one/both are off-wagon just chilling.
I’m going to flip an NFL QB who is hosting a playoff game tomorrow. I can give more details if you’d like but it probably doesn’t matter much.
I feel like #492 is Jan’s first AI post of the game.
Raskolnikov
01-14-2024, 19:07
Votecount
baudib(4): Benneh, Visor, Cape90, Cuth
Taffy(1): Gemma
Visor(1): baudib
https://media.tenor.com/_KpVYf7GReoAAAAM/jordan-love-packers.gif
EOD in 5 hours (roughly)
I feel like #492 is Jan’s first AI post of the game.
I feel like I agree with major of his reads though.
Raskolnikov
01-14-2024, 19:47
What does a Vikings fan do when his team has won the SuperBowl?
He turns off the playstation.
EOD in 4 hours roughly
Anyway I’ll just talk to myself as I try to figure this out and maybe come to a solve that’s correct in DVC. If this helps anyone later in the game at all it won’t be a total waste.
Jan: Can you elaborate on your read on Gemma?
Cape/Cuth: why do you V read each other so highly
Gemma: can tou explain your vote on Taffy?
You know for some reason I thought Jan had voted for Zelda but he didn’t vote at all. It was Cuth. They both mind occupy the same area in my head - kinda null, getting townresds for ??? reasons.
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