This is Football! (Closed 10er)

[Raskolnikov]

Who will be this season best football player? While the main NFL QBs are fighting for the MVP title, some european infiltrators decided the joke was over...


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Rules:


48/24 phases, at 6pm american eastern. :00 posts/votes are good, :01 posts/votes bad.
50 posts each day, postcap released one hour before deadline.
You may not talk after death.
Don't quote anything I say to you. Paraphrasing is fine.
No screenshots, etc.
You may NOT talk to players outside the thread unless otherwise specified in your role PM.
You will vote for players you want chopped during the day, using the format, Vote: Zack. Votes must be in bold to count. You do not need to unvote to vote someone else. I will count your last legal vote as your vote. You must use that specific vote format with the colon or the vote WILL NOT count. (this is so i can find the votes easier)
Do not talk at night.
Votes that end in a tie will be decided using random.org (that's not me, I swear).
No chop is allowed as is abstain.
Don't edit posts please.
If you miss a day phase I will message you and see whats up. Missing two days is an instant modkill.
Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it.
Night orders are due 1 hour prior to start of day. (Please use your discord channel.)




Players:

1. Visor
2. Jan
3. baudib1
4. Totally not Taffy
5. Gemma
6. dyachei
7. nebjiamn
8. Cape90
9. Cuthillius
10. pzelda


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Links:

SOD1: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852453&viewfull=1#post2053852453) very usefull link indeed.
EOD1: pzelda is lunched and flips vanilla town! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852795&viewfull=1#post2053852795)
SOD2: dyachei died during the night! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852812&viewfull=1#post2053852812)
EOD2: baudib1 has been yeeted into the sun! He was mafia goon (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053853112&viewfull=1#post2053853112)
SOD3: Gemma has been killed! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053853129&viewfull=1#post2053853129)
EOD3: Taffy has been chopped! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053853347&viewfull=1#post2053853347)

[Raskolnikov]

You may now post. EOD in 48 hours. Have fun friendos! :bow:

[Totally not Taffy]

I have decided that this is a turbo AMA

[Cuthillius]

I have decided that this is a turbo AMA

if you could have a limitless supply of one of the following

shallots, pears, or kiwis

which would you choose?

[Totally not Taffy]

if you could have a limitless supply of one of the following

shallots, pears, or kiwis

which would you choose?

Definitely kiwis, regardless of whether you mean the bird or the fruit

[Jan]

Definitely kiwis, regardless of whether you mean the bird or the fruit

a good pear is underrated but I think kiwis is correct.

[Totally not Taffy]

a good pear is underrated but I think kiwis is correct.

pears go past their optimum yumminess very quickly, a kiwi brings joy longer
and you might get eggs

[nebjiamn]

if you could have a limitless supply of one of the following

shallots, pears, or kiwis

which would you choose?
shallots

i could live without those two fruits but a good shallot can really make things better

although i guess you didnt say i cant have the other things

still the shallots

[Jan]

pears go past their optimum yumminess very quickly, a kiwi brings joy longer
and you might get eggs

yeah but with a limitless supply I would assume you can just always get optimum quality.
And I think peak pear beats peak kiwi in my book.

I just think all the pears you let to go to waste in your limitless supply are a problem.

[nebjiamn]

I have decided that this is a turbo AMA
ok now what

[Totally not Taffy]

shallots

i could live without those two fruits but a good shallot can really make things better

although i guess you didnt say i cant have the other things

still the shallots

ehh now if it had been spring onions you might have a point there
but in most dishes shallots are just fancy onions

[Totally not Taffy]

yeah but with a limitless supply I would assume you can just always get optimum quality.
And I think peak pear beats peak kiwi in my book.

I just think all the pears you let to go to waste in your limitless supply are a problem.

treacle factory?

[Totally not Taffy]

ok now what

we chat for another 23mins then I go to bed and by the time I wake up you will all have done beautiful AI stuff I'm sure

[Jan]

we chat for another 23mins then I go to bed and by the time I wake up you will all have done beautiful AI stuff I'm sure
I don't even know how to do anything alignment indicative these days.

Normally I just yell at Ladd that he is outted if he tries to kill me and people believe me.

[Totally not Taffy]

I don't even know how to do anything alignment indicative these days.

Normally I just yell at Ladd that he is outted if he tries to kill me and people believe me.

and who takes Ladd's spot in this PL?

[Jan]

and who takes Ladd's spot in this PL?

Nobody.
maaaybe dya?

Visor/Ben as a possible 2nd tier.

But not like they are outted if they are wrong on me.
If I am bleeding villa, I expect them to find it, but they are also not that smart sometime. Or busy watching paint dry in a tunnel. You know werewolf things.

[Totally not Taffy]

Nobody.
maaaybe dya?

Visor/Ben as a possible 2nd tier.

But not like they are outted if they are wrong on me.
If I am bleeding villa, I expect them to find it, but they are also not that smart sometime. Or busy watching paint dry in a tunnel. You know werewolf things.

yeah there's noone here with a particularly good track record on me either I'm a bit nervous about it

but we'll see

[Totally not Taffy]

Anyway I promised myself not to stay up past 1am so see you all tomorrow

please make rvs worth reading :lips:

[Jan]

Anyway I promised myself not to stay up past 1am so see you all tomorrow

please make rvs worth reading :lips:

I should do the same.
But I somehow started watching cougar town.

[baudib1]

Wow where to begin

[Gemma]

Vote: Jan

die jedi scum

[Gemma]

pears because you can get lots of different types of pears whereas kiwis and shallots are just one specific veget

and pears can go savory or sweet and they pair with so many different things

[Jan]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/WMLbCc2ecwoAAAAC/cougartown-people.gif

[Cape90]

Wow where to begin

Vote: baudib1

This is how scum would open up this game

[nebjiamn]

this is gonna be a slog isn't it lol

[nebjiamn]

as far as opener's go cape's is not good cause it feels like RVS but also feels a little serious like he wants to show off how he's already wolf hunting even though that post from baud is always nai

everyone else seems to be groovin so cool game

[Cape90]

if you could have a limitless supply of one of the following

shallots, pears, or kiwis

which would you choose?

Also for this, I would say Shallots

Just more things I would eat Shallots with tbh

[nebjiamn]

someone ping me when dya and visor post more

[Cape90]

as far as opener's go cape's is not good cause it feels like RVS but also feels a little serious like he wants to show off how he's already wolf hunting even though that post from baud is always nai

everyone else seems to be groovin so cool game

The 2nd wolf is right here. This game is extremely free. Thanks nebjiamn

[Cape90]

someone ping me when dya and visor post more

Yeah you need some villagers to fall back on

[nebjiamn]

dont be so dramatic cape

[Cape90]

dramatic? me? never

[Jan]

Setting your tonal baseline as fake as fuck is just self sabotage. Glgl

[Gemma]

lol

[Gemma]

i think you're great cape

[baudib1]

Is Neb a noob? They seem like a noob to me.

[dyachei]

sup

[Jan]

sup

Sit back relax and hello!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/baFvICjJM4wAAAAC/cougar-town.gif

[Cape90]

Setting your tonal baseline as fake as fuck is just self sabotage. Glgl

thanks

[Cape90]

Is Neb a noob? They seem like a noob to me.

Yeah probably

[Cuthillius]

pears because you can get lots of different types of pears whereas kiwis and shallots are just one specific veget

and pears can go savory or sweet and they pair with so many different things

The most common types of shallots include the French Grey, Dutch Yellow, and French Red. French Grey shallots are elongated and have a grayish skin, while Dutch Yellow shallots are rounder and have a golden-brown skin. French Red shallots are smaller and have a reddish-brown skin.

[Cuthillius]

sup

wolfy sup

[dyachei]

wolfy sup

you would say that

i'd choose shallots. I can live without pears and kiwis but shallots are too good to pass up

[Cuthillius]

you would say that

i'd choose shallots. I can live without pears and kiwis but shallots are too good to pass up

yes i like to think i have professional experience in the sup business tbh

do you have any thoughts on cape's initial posts or people's thoughts on cape's initial posts?

[dyachei]

yes i like to think i have professional experience in the sup business tbh

do you have any thoughts on cape's initial posts or people's thoughts on cape's initial posts?

nope

i dont right now. cape isnt always an easy read for me

[Cape90]

nope

i dont right now. cape isnt always an easy read for me

People saying this about me is rand>w so I got an eye on you

[dyachei]

People saying this about me is rand>w so I got an eye on you

and that's different than usual how?

[Jan]

Cape90
baudib1

dyachei

Totally not Taffy
nebjiamn

Gemma

Cuthillius

Just putting this down for postgame.

[Gemma]

The most common types of shallots include the French Grey, Dutch Yellow, and French Red. French Grey shallots are elongated and have a grayish skin, while Dutch Yellow shallots are rounder and have a golden-brown skin. French Red shallots are smaller and have a reddish-brown skin.

thanks chatgpt

[Gemma]

Cape90
baudib1

dyachei

Totally not Taffy
nebjiamn

Gemma

Cuthillius

Just putting this down for postgame.

putting cuth above me smh

[Gemma]

and that's different than usual how?

y'all are going in circles here

[nebjiamn]

Is Neb a noob? They seem like a noob to me.
wow

[nebjiamn]

you would say that

i'd choose shallots. I can live without pears and kiwis but shallots are too good to pass up
this was so close to my answer i thought you actually copypastad me

but makes sense why we're friends

[nebjiamn]

VOTE: Gemma

iforget how the exact syntax is but Raskolnikov count this frenchy

[nebjiamn]

leaning taffy v

think her opener is cute and the interaction with jan, particularly showing some concern about who will be able to read her in this plist, feels more v than w to me, especially cause it organically transitions from a focus of Jan and how that relates to her being read itg

[nebjiamn]

i'm not elaborating on my gemma read for now

i got nothin else besides hopes and dreams atm

[Cape90]

Just to throw some things at the wall

benneh and dyachei both did opposite things from each other in their reads on me in relation to them both knowing they are bad at reading me.

Looked at some turbos out of curiousity when it came to benneh and his treatment of me, specifically when I am explicitly town and he is too, it usually always goes from him saying in every single game that I am in his POE to one of, him just shrugging it off when i die and flip town, or him frustratedly shouting at the wind about how I am so unreadable even though he very explicity tries every time, which I at least appreciate.

You know, that lines up with benneh's play so far... i guess?

Then I looked at dyachei, specifically when I was wolf in anni 2023 (dya was town here). By day 2, they were talking about how I was one of their top wolf reads and they were really concerned about me and they wanted to push me. They were softballing it, yeah, but like, they were making a read and not just going like "eh cape is really just hard to read" like they are doing here right now.

Same exact thing happened with dyachei in Pokemon Generation 2 mash where we were both town. (There was like... a sort of turn around, but I am not super convinced dya believed it too much but that's arbitrary).
Oh but if you wanna talk about Warhammer mash, v dya was townreading v me day 1, pretty early, with only like 90 posts.
Dunno if I should be concerned about dyachei having 0 comment on benneh's #26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852477&viewfull=1#post2053852477)

Been unsuccessful with trying to find turbos we shared though, which would maybe be more of an apt comparison just because of how early it is into this game.

Okay whatever, so they found me scummy in a completely different game state when it was literally day 2 at that point and a lot more has come out. But this hedginess doesn't resonate with what I have seen from them, and I am curious about benneh's take on that since both of them have hydra'd multiple times together.


as far as opener's go cape's is not good cause it feels like RVS but also feels a little serious like he wants to show off how he's already wolf hunting even though that post from baud is always nai

everyone else seems to be groovin so cool game

I called this wolfy just because I don't see what is exactly scummy about just throwing that, admittedly pretty unserious vote at the wall to actually do something in a game where nothing has yet happened. It is a way I am used to try to get the ball rolling.

In terms of me "pushing" baud for...


Wow where to begin

1. Usually when, (I will use a similar phrase here), the saying "where do i begin" is said, it both precedes a rambling about whatever, or just said with exasperation as the tone. This is my nerd emoji English grammar brain going off i guess :p.
2. It was a place to "begin" as a sort of tongue-in-cheek type of thing.

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Everything that I have done is pretty NAI for me (i think, i have no self awareness) (until this post uwu).

I think Taffy's opener is rand>v


I have decided that this is a turbo AMA

Cuth is villagery for this post


yes i like to think i have professional experience in the sup business tbh

do you have any thoughts on cape's initial posts or people's thoughts on cape's initial posts?

I think Jan has been kinda towny in general

To exaggerate my reads

Cuth
Taffy
Jan

nebjiamn

baudib1
Gemma

dyachei

[Cape90]

oh wait this was supposed to be a chill game

[nebjiamn]

i don't think turbo meta is going to be very applicable here friendo but cheerio for looking i suppose (i am not convinced you actually did but c'est la vie).

i am not really sure how me calling your first post wolfy tracks with what you've correlated as our t/t meta in turbos anyway

(also i am not frustrated at how hard you are to read i am more upset with how you derp and post way behind when everyone is real timing)

why is your post so much about old games that likely aren't relevant here bleh

i don't have an opinion on dya not having an opinion on you yet. i'm not sure why they should other than you mentioning them not responding to #26 but i don't really know if they would anyway. we are good friends but not attached at the hip--they don't highly investigate everythhing i do, nor I them, and especially not in the first couple dozen posts of the game

having said that im fine letting you cook for now and seeing where this all goes

[Gemma]

damn son lmao

[Gemma]

benneh why are you so sus of cape

[baudib1]

Cape wok you say I am good or bad at reading you at this point. I actually don’t know.

[Cape90]

i don't think turbo meta is going to be very applicable here friendo but cheerio for looking i suppose (i am not convinced you actually did but c'est la vie).

i am not really sure how me calling your first post wolfy tracks with what you've correlated as our t/t meta in turbos anyway

(also i am not frustrated at how hard you are to read i am more upset with how you derp and post way behind when everyone is real timing)

why is your post so much about old games that likely aren't relevant here bleh

i don't have an opinion on dya not having an opinion on you yet. i'm not sure why they should other than you mentioning them not responding to #26 but i don't really know if they would anyway. we are good friends but not attached at the hip--they don't highly investigate everythhing i do, nor I them, and especially not in the first couple dozen posts of the game

having said that im fine letting you cook for now and seeing where this all goes

All that just to basically say I kinda made a huge, probably mostly pointless post, and yeah I agree, was just bored and kinda just wanted to look because I literally shaded both you and dya for yalls treatment of my slot so far into the game, which is relevant to previous games, and I wanted to just look into that. Also previous games on here are kinda hard to read through where we have played in a regular game together, esp since the whole replies thing only will show your latest 100 posts in a given thread on here.

That is to say, I didn't gather too much of a take away in general unless I was 100% going to assume dya is just going to nullbin me all game, which would be scummy btw, but because I said this, I have forced dya (if wolf) to make a read on me when they can obviously. :p

[nebjiamn]

benneh why are you so sus of cape
interesting post tbh

[Cape90]

Cape wok you say I am good or bad at reading you at this point. I actually don’t know.

You are really just null to me, I thought that was obvious by the time I made my large post at the very least. Like it was really to do something in a thread that nothing was getting done with.

[Cape90]

benneh why are you so sus of cape

Yeah I agree with benneh, this feels like an exaggeration

[baudib1]

You are really just null to me, I thought that was obvious by the time I made my large post at the very least. Like it was really to do something in a thread that nothing was getting done with.

That’s not what I asked though. I don’t expect anyone to have a read on me at this point.

[Gemma]

interesting post tbh

no u

[Gemma]

cape your impatience is endearing and i'm here for it

[Cape90]

That’s not what I asked though. I don’t expect anyone to have a read on me at this point.

Yeah I very much misread the question because i am tired, sorry about that LOL

I think you are a decent reader of me, like above average

[Jan]

We can all agree that Rask is a fraud for using the title "this is football" when that title is very clowsly connected to the game of football and not that closely connected to the game of handegg, right?

There is actually no excuse for that considering a single google search gives you all the results you need. This has to be on purpose and such we can conclude the intentions are purely evil.
Rask is the wolf you were looking for.

Sorry this has been on my mind for a while and I had to make my stance clear.



I have a comment on the gemma prods that is sitting in the back of my head waiting to mature for a little while before it can actually walk.

Cape is doing weird busywork. The moment I read turbometa I just skipped the entire paragraph tbh.
Could be a copy/paste for all I know. (it clearly is not based on reactions)

The attempt to start conversation is not as clumsy as cuth but more pointless tbh.

And Baudib seems to have some idea brewing. I think it is a cape wolfread and I do have popcorn prepared just in case.

[Gemma]

cape villagery y'all are cray

while i'm at it benneh also villagery

[baudib1]

Cape’s style is completely different in turbos and mashes.
I can see a world where W!Benneh or W!Dya uses “I can’t really read Cape” as an excuse to use kind of throw their hands up and encourage pushes on him. Can also see W!Cape trying to sow distrust among strong villagers, but I’m not quite sure that’s his wolfing style.

I’m not inclined to go there today when he’s seemingly generating more mafia related content than anyone else so far.

If you want a hottish take, the wolf sitting back and watching with glee here could be Jan.

[baudib1]

Setting your tonal baseline as fake as fuck is just self sabotage. Glgl

Was this directed at anyone in particular?

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Gemma

iforget how the exact syntax is but Raskolnikov count this frenchy

That's the last time I give in, next will be instant modkill :bow: (for real the syntax is Vote: Zack)

vc incoming.

(another game related comment: cougar town is only worth showcasing how bad aesthetic chirurgy can be lmao)

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(1): Cape
Gemma(1): Benneh

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xdv06JsX0C3tJjGPKQ/giphy.gif

[baudib1]

Vote: Visor

Frozen & crying imo

[pzelda]

Hello,
Not in mood for reading.

[Jan]

Was this directed at anyone in particular?
ofc here:

Vote: baudib1

This is how scum would open up this game


The 2nd wolf is right here. This game is extremely free. Thanks nebjiamn


Yeah you need some villagers to fall back on

Cape. Sorry, thought it was somewhat obvious for anybody reading the game.



If you want a hottish take, the wolf sitting back and watching with glee here could be Jan.
There is no glee here at this moment. You need to step up your game for glee.



(another game related comment: cougar town is only worth showcasing how bad aesthetic chirurgy can be lmao)

Possible. It is on my 2nd monitor while I do anything else and I mostly listen for snarky comments and don't so much watch it.
But also .. it is not porn I don't really watch it because the people look good.

[pzelda]

cape villagery y'all are cray

while i'm at it benneh also villagery

Can you elaborate? Esp on Benneh

[Jan]

Hello,
Not in mood for reading.

Did you consider dancing or at least a slight shuffle?

[pzelda]

Btw, Is Benneh Baudib?
Also, Jan's fairly active and I guess that makes them towny-ish? Also, I mindmelded with Jan's take on Cape's wall. It's weird busywork indeed.

[pzelda]

Did you consider dancing or at least a slight shuffle?

Not really. It's quite likely someone could spot me.

[Jan]

Btw, Is Benneh Baudib?


I am living under the assumption that "nebjiamn" is benjamin aka ben aka benneh aka tom o'malley.

[Gemma]

Can you elaborate? Esp on Benneh

cape the amount of energy he's expending to try to have things being doing in the game

i don't care that it's busywork

benneh because they're doing literally anything so they're already above the par bar

their vote on me is boring but you can't win em all

benneh is neb yes

can my token stop being expired pls

[dyachei]

several things

cape is assuming I'm going to push him on not being good at reading him and his case is based on this but I haven't done that. I've literally just said it's hard for me to read him.

Which leads to the next thing, where he's leaving out all the village games where I've said the same thing and just cherry picked the wolf games to prove his point.

All in all I didnt have a read on him until his bad case and push and now I think he's ACTIVELY being wolfy.

Also like...I came here to have a chill time and my entrance was met with like 2-3 people on my case immediately. Not really the vibe I was looking for guys

[Gemma]

do i have a chunk of overlap with jan where we're the ~only two people awake

this might be wonderful if he's a villager and also fine if not

actually we're probably both too lazy to do anything about it

[Gemma]

several things

cape is assuming I'm going to push him on not being good at reading him and his case is based on this but I haven't done that. I've literally just said it's hard for me to read him.

Which leads to the next thing, where he's leaving out all the village games where I've said the same thing and just cherry picked the wolf games to prove his point.

All in all I didnt have a read on him until his bad case and push and now I think he's ACTIVELY being wolfy.

Also like...I came here to have a chill time and my entrance was met with like 2-3 people on my case immediately. Not really the vibe I was looking for guys

https://www.falseknees.com/comics/imgs/410.webp

[baudib1]

PZelda’s opener was pretty cringe but maybe not in a wolfy wsy. We can wait for him to do the coffee tell.

Dya’s response in #86 is probably > rand V for them.

This game doesn’t really start until Visor gets here imo.

[dyachei]

cape the amount of energy he's expending to try to have things being doing in the game

i don't care that it's busywork

benneh because they're doing literally anything so they're already above the par bar

their vote on me is boring but you can't win em all

benneh is neb yes

can my token stop being expired pls

why dont you care that it's been busywork? like am I the only person that sees wolves do a lot of busywork to try and prove how towny they are?

busywork is not villagery. I'm not saying you should actively wolf read him but I wouldnt clear him for it at all

[baudib1]

Gemma’s probably too level 1 partnered with Cape for it to be w/w but I hate myself for even saying that.

If Gemma is a villager they’re making reads in a surface level a way that’s probably dangerous. OTOH nothing really has happened, so…

[baudib1]

If this were a turbo I’d say Benneh giving Taffy a tonal V read is probably V for him because the turbo population isn’t great at reading her.

I, on the other hand, refuse to give Taffy a V!lean (cuz I’m a wolf ldo).

[Visor]

shit, im here, sorry was gonna check in yday and forgot

[Visor]

yeah there's noone here with a particularly good track record on me either I'm a bit nervous about it

but we'll see

taffy w :curtain:

[Visor]

i don't think turbo meta is going to be very applicable here friendo but cheerio for looking i suppose (i am not convinced you actually did but c'est la vie).

i am not really sure how me calling your first post wolfy tracks with what you've correlated as our t/t meta in turbos anyway

(also i am not frustrated at how hard you are to read i am more upset with how you derp and post way behind when everyone is real timing)

why is your post so much about old games that likely aren't relevant here bleh

i don't have an opinion on dya not having an opinion on you yet. i'm not sure why they should other than you mentioning them not responding to #26 but i don't really know if they would anyway. we are good friends but not attached at the hip--they don't highly investigate everythhing i do, nor I them, and especially not in the first couple dozen posts of the game

having said that im fine letting you cook for now and seeing where this all goes

weirdly written post friend

[Visor]

capes post is a weird angle to take as a wolf, just kinad weird to read turbo games and come in post 1 not even checking out the vibe just going, here is my text wall of almost zero relevance, look upon my work and despair

benneh/taffy w/w book it

baudib v

dya mild v

cuth mild sk

[baudib1]

“Look upon my work and despair” made me laugh but that’s kind of an accurate description of how Cape plays (non-derogatory).

[Visor]

well i was wrong cause apparently cape posted before that post

but i refuse to adjust my opinion, cape v

[Jan]

capes post is a weird angle to take as a wolf, just kinad weird to read turbo games and come in post 1 not even checking out the vibe just going, here is my text wall of almost zero relevance, look upon my work and despair

benneh/taffy w/w book it

baudib v

dya mild v

cuth mild sk


Cape90
baudib1

dyachei

Totally not Taffy
nebjiamn

Gemma

Cuthillius

Just putting this down for postgame.

Comes in late. Copies homework.
I name you the unruly teenager of the game.

Please wear this badge with pride.

[dyachei]

i think gemma looks worse than cape. I dont like what cape's doing and I do think he's cherry picking but I think gemma making excuses for it is worse

[baudib1]

capes post is a weird angle to take as a wolf, just kinad weird to read turbo games and come in post 1 not even checking out the vibe just going, here is my text wall of almost zero relevance, look upon my work and despair

benneh/taffy w/w book it

baudib v

dya mild v

cuth mild sk

Why am I V? I’ve done nothing.

[Visor]

Comes in late. Copies homework.
I name you the unruly teenager of the game.

Please wear this badge with pride.
you're not my real dad

Why am I V? I’ve done nothing.

just like a good villager

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(1): Cape
Gemma(1): Benneh
Visor(1): Baudib

https://media4.giphy.com/media/WNK9tSwu39fYWmTaWJ/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952xsitjq6c5hrop2p317v0ugjnu0qn2uhf1yv9oiqp&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g


porn I don't really watch it

https://c.tenor.com/1siW-bIUBYAAAAAM/haha-goodone.gif

[Cuthillius]

Why am I V? I’ve done nothing.

that's not true it feels like you're in the top three most actually saying things people

just write more wallposts and you'll be golden

vote: pzelda

[nebjiamn]

weirdly written post friend
no its not

[Cuthillius]

i think gemma looks worse than cape. I dont like what cape's doing and I do think he's cherry picking but I think gemma making excuses for it is worse

idk I'm with gemma here

seems like a weird way to open the game for w!cape

which i guess by extension makes me agree with your first sentence but

[baudib1]

Visor is outed mafia!

[Visor]

no its not

yes it is

[baudib1]

Speaking of which, this NFL season is the most disappointing I can remember in a while. If the Eagles don’t win a playoff game they should fire the whole coaching staff.

[nebjiamn]

here's my issue with gemma

she's not done anythihng at all, which is OK in a vacuum, not many of us have, but she's been around and participating but it feels like all of her posts are being handled with kid gloves


i think you're great cape

a pretty benign post overall but looking back it feels a little pockety


y'all are going in circles here

this one just really doesn't feel helpful at all and the main reason i voted last night. although it was light. but she doesn't really seem interested in the conversation or helping resolve it. its a weird pokey post


damn son lmao

idk just feels out of place in response to my post. at this point theres meat and bones for gemma to pick at and respond to but she continues with periphery overtures and what feels like blowing my post way out of proportion (also applies if this was actually @ cape's post)


benneh why are you so sus of cape
this post was what really sold me last night from just an initial wolfy lean to pretty solidly wolfy because its both such an exagerration of what i've express int he thread, it indicates she's not really reading my posts to cape because all i ever did was call his opener wolfy and then had a 2-post back and forth with him

it also feels very "stoke the fire-y" because of that

[nebjiamn]

yes it is
sucks to suck

[nebjiamn]

think dya is probly v. baud light v.

nothing on jan or visor atm

i'd do a tiered reads list but i dont wanna

[Visor]

Speaking of which, this NFL season is the most disappointing I can remember in a while. If the Eagles don’t win a playoff game they should fire the whole coaching staff.

lions and rams made the playoffs, so its been a good season to me

lol eagles, good lord what a crash

[baudib1]

think dya is probly v. baud light v.

nothing on jan or visor atm

i'd do a tiered reads list but i dont wanna

visor is obvious mafia. Thoughts?

[nebjiamn]

visor is obvious mafia. Thoughts?
wow

[baudib1]

lions and rams made the playoffs, so its been a good season to me

lol eagles, good lord what a crash

The coordinators have been awful and very predictable. The talent on the team is too good to go 1-5 down the stretch imo.

[nebjiamn]

Can you elaborate? Esp on Benneh


Btw, Is Benneh Baudib?
Also, Jan's fairly active and I guess that makes them towny-ish? Also, I mindmelded with Jan's take on Cape's wall. It's weird busywork indeed.
interesting sequence that might mean nothing but pointing it out anyway

[nebjiamn]

eh i had it in my head pzelda was c4 so nevermind it probly doesn't mean anything

[Jan]

interesting sequence that might mean nothing but pointing it out anyway
With the added context of Gemma's quoted post it amounts to nothing tbh.
But I like the thought without context!

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(1): Cape
Gemma(1): Benneh
Visor(1): Baudib
pzelda(1): Cuth

https://media.tenor.com/bLZsCqrQZ9kAAAAM/matt-stafford-super-bowl-lvi.gif

[Cape90]

I have a comment on the gemma prods that is sitting in the back of my head waiting to mature for a little while before it can actually walk.

Cape is doing weird busywork. The moment I read turbometa I just skipped the entire paragraph tbh.
Could be a copy/paste for all I know. (it clearly is not based on reactions)

The attempt to start conversation is not as clumsy as cuth but more pointless tbh.

And Baudib seems to have some idea brewing. I think it is a cape wolfread and I do have popcorn prepared just in case.

Okay I have my concerns here

Lemme outline what's being said here about me because it's a mess

-Jan calls me out for doing weird busy work
-Says it could be a copy/paste
-Go back to the part where Jan talks about me talking about turbo meta
-Now the copy/paste accusation makes no sense
-Says in the next line it's an attempt to start conversation
-If it's a copy/paste, how is it an attempt to start a conversation? (Okay I know there was another part of the post where i give reads and stuff but still)

That pretty much outlines my issues with Jan's post.

Also the Gemma comment kinda pinged me here so i included it (I could be overthinking that part though).

[Cape90]

Cape’s style is completely different in turbos and mashes.
I can see a world where W!Benneh or W!Dya uses “I can’t really read Cape” as an excuse to use kind of throw their hands up and encourage pushes on him. Can also see W!Cape trying to sow distrust among strong villagers, but I’m not quite sure that’s his wolfing style.

I’m not inclined to go there today when he’s seemingly generating more mafia related content than anyone else so far.

If you want a hottish take, the wolf sitting back and watching with glee here could be Jan.

Vote: UNVOTE

[Cape90]

ofc here:






Cape. Sorry, thought it was somewhat obvious for anybody reading the game.


There is no glee here at this moment. You need to step up your game for glee.



Possible. It is on my 2nd monitor while I do anything else and I mostly listen for snarky comments and don't so much watch it.
But also .. it is not porn I don't really watch it because the people look good.

yeah, if there was a thing to make me doubt my unvote on baud, it was their treatment of you

The first thing was very obvious I felt like


the wolf sitting back and watching with glee here could be Jan.

sitting back and watching didn't really describe your playstyle so far this game.

Just felt that baud gave a smart read on me.

[baudib1]

Vote: Jan

[Cape90]

several things

cape is assuming I'm going to push him on not being good at reading him and his case is based on this but I haven't done that. I've literally just said it's hard for me to read him.

Which leads to the next thing, where he's leaving out all the village games where I've said the same thing and just cherry picked the wolf games to prove his point.

All in all I didnt have a read on him until his bad case and push and now I think he's ACTIVELY being wolfy.

Also like...I came here to have a chill time and my entrance was met with like 2-3 people on my case immediately. Not really the vibe I was looking for guys

3 of the most recent games you and i have played together is very obviously cherry picking, right right. I also didn't bring up a wolf game from you where you ignored me all together. I didn't bring up any of your wolf games, you have shown you haven't actually read into my post though so thanks for digging that pit for yourself

I am not expecting you to push me, I was making the point of

1. You can read me, you have been inconsistent at it, but as town you clearly have your gears turning with me.
2. I think dismissing the read on me as like "oh cape isn't an easy read for me" is sketch and I have seen mafia do similar because "cape is so polarized and i cant possibly read him". But as I said, that's assuming you would do what wolves do and not try to read me in good faith, which you already honestly have a leg up in right now and it's worrying me.

[Cape90]

why dont you care that it's been busywork? like am I the only person that sees wolves do a lot of busywork to try and prove how towny they are?

busywork is not villagery. I'm not saying you should actively wolf read him but I wouldnt clear him for it at all

this is true, I purposefully will busy work as wolf

[Cape90]

“Look upon my work and despair” made me laugh but that’s kind of an accurate description of how Cape plays (non-derogatory).

Yeah this is accurate

there is a difference between when I busy work as mafia and when I busy work as town

I just did that entire write up FOR MYSELF. As wolf, I do busy work to get townreads or to throw a suspicion, or you know, something boring and typical like that, not something that's pretty pointless to everyone but myself, like I was practically talking to myself there.

That's my defense for those suspecting that

[Cape90]

i think gemma looks worse than cape. I dont like what cape's doing and I do think he's cherry picking but I think gemma making excuses for it is worse

Everything you say looks agenda'd to me right now

Vote: dyachei

Or more like 2 things, but 2 things is good enough to me

[nebjiamn]

Everything you say looks agenda'd to me right now

Vote: dyachei

Or more like 2 things, but 2 things is good enough to me
can you talk about your read on gemma or even just thoughts on the posts i brought up

[Totally not Taffy]

Taffy: "please make rvs interesting"
Cape: "here's my comparative study of Benneh and Dyachei's reads on me through the ages complete with references and infographics"

:rolleyes:

[Cape90]

here's my issue with gemma

she's not done anythihng at all, which is OK in a vacuum, not many of us have, but she's been around and participating but it feels like all of her posts are being handled with kid gloves



a pretty benign post overall but looking back it feels a little pockety



this one just really doesn't feel helpful at all and the main reason i voted last night. although it was light. but she doesn't really seem interested in the conversation or helping resolve it. its a weird pokey post



idk just feels out of place in response to my post. at this point theres meat and bones for gemma to pick at and respond to but she continues with periphery overtures and what feels like blowing my post way out of proportion (also applies if this was actually @ cape's post)


this post was what really sold me last night from just an initial wolfy lean to pretty solidly wolfy because its both such an exagerration of what i've express int he thread, it indicates she's not really reading my posts to cape because all i ever did was call his opener wolfy and then had a 2-post back and forth with him

it also feels very "stoke the fire-y" because of that

1. It's whatever, backs up Gemma's TR on me

2. I don't really get this point against Gemma, though it's not a particularly towny post either. I am confused with though like, what would be "helping" in that situation with Gemma's post, like if you were in Gemma's shoes, what would you say?

3. Eh, yeah it's tonally odd, reminds me of the thing i pinged baud about at the start of the game, which also means "meh"

4. Already talked about this pinging me for basically the same reason.

Now if we are looking at there being only 2 mafia this game, I think things will be interesting if I become a main push because I feel like both the mafia people should be on the same page regarding their EOD pushes to maximize their chance of winning, and Gemma/dyachei are on opposite sides when it comes to me. If both are w/w the chances of me dying to a wagon right now are lessened because of this.
That is to say in that particular scenario Demma/dya are less likely w/w. I could be overthinking this again :p, also it's mostly a kinda pointless tinfoil rn... probably, like would put more stock here if it was like day 3/4 or whatever

[Cape90]

Now I do think both are wolfy right now, so not a bad push

[Totally not Taffy]

First impressions:

1. Visor: trying to pocket me by actually reading one of my posts tsk tsk - null

2. Jan: his readslist has Baudib as top town when Baudib had made a handful of NAI posts - lean w

3. Baudib: I've agreed with everything Baudib has said so far - lean v

4. Gemma: I'm not voting Gemma D1 in her first game here, if she's a wolf she'll still be a wolf tomorrow and we might get spew - null

5. Dyachei: refusing to read Cape so early was fine, the reason meh, p#86 was overly defensive what with calling Cape's post "a case" and "a push" when he wasn't voting them yet, and their only other read is also Cape-related which shows a very narrow focus - lean w

6. Benneh: I didn't like the way he defended Dyachei, "we aren't linked at the hip etc" was ~:confused: levels of irrelevant to this game. I've liked everything else he has done though - null

7. Cape: this is familiar!Cape, and not having been snowed yet I want to trust that wolf!Cape will feel different - lean v

8. Cuthillius: leaning v bc of how he interacted with my first post and then lost interest, wolves tend to love making chitchat with me SoD to show how comfortable they are in the thread - lean v

9. Pzelda: opening that says he doesn't want to read but then immediately gets down to business, which I find inherently contradictory - lean w

[Jan]

2. Jan: his readslist has Baudib as top town when Baudib had made a handful of NAI posts - lean w


Since nobody ever bothered to ask a single question about my very early readslist I will tell you because your conclusion is just weirdly lazy.

I thought nobody had done anything of actual value at the time of the list and sorted by small stuff to see a. how bad it is postgame and b create content.

the small stuff for cape and baudib was that both of them really did their own thing and did not care about anything else happening early.
No attempt to look good was made. You could argue both of them purposefully attempted to look bad.


And cuths question to dya just felt like somebody trying to look good by asking a question that looks useful but really is nothing.

Dya on the other hand got some points for basically not caring about cuths questions.

Mikroreads basically and nothing of importance.

The other 3 were firmly null. I just put a space between gemma and ben/you to be a nuisance.


I was very amused that my microreads/bullshit lists from early on was then more or less the same list that visor gave 12 hours later.

Anyways. This is content you could have interacted with on your own but decided to ignore.

[Totally not Taffy]

Anyways. This is content you could have interacted with on your own but decided to ignore.

Explain this please. You made that readslist after I had left the thread, in my first serious post back I show I've read it and have incorporated it in my read on you. By your own admission, as the first person. How is that not interacting with it?

This is also the first time you've given your explanation/microreads, so I'm at a loss how I supposedly decided to ignore content previously not available to me.

[nebjiamn]

6. Benneh: I didn't like the way he defended Dyachei, "we aren't linked at the hip etc" was ~:confused: levels of irrelevant to this game. I've liked everything else he has done though - null


how is that a defense of dya? i'm just sick and tired of everyone assuming we have instant ramen reads on each other or insight into every little micropost just because we are good friends and someone poking at stuff that isn't relevant just makes the game annoying because usually when either of us has a read on eachother we will out it or ask others for help

[Jan]

Explain this please. You made that readslist after I had left the thread, in my first serious post back I show I've read it and have incorporated it in my read on you. By your own admission, as the first person. How is that not interacting with it?

This is also the first time you've given your explanation/microreads, so I'm at a loss how I supposedly decided to ignore content previously not available to me.

Apologies. I was slightly bored/annoyed that not a single person cared or questioned it.
I have not and have no interested in checking every single persons schedule and when they clock in to read or play and when they leave and thus misjudged you in my reaction.

You as an individual used it for a wolfread instead of asking me any questions about it or anything else. But whatever. Now you got it and can either read into it or not.

The lack of curiosity in most humans will always surprise me.

[dyachei]

I think cape came into this game expecting to push me and is doing exactly that. Idk if cuth was joking or actually telling me it was a wolfy sup (I suspect joking) but it set the mood for how people are treating me this game and tbqh I'm over it entirely.

Taffy I'm always defensive and you've seen that in previous games we've played because it has happened on the org

Gemma is actually wolfy. Her pushes and thoughts are like surface level while there are deeper things to look at. Including busy work but that read on cape feels like tmi defense of a villager.

[Totally not Taffy]

how is that a defense of dya? i'm just sick and tired of everyone assuming we have instant ramen reads on each other or insight into every little micropost just because we are good friends and someone poking at stuff that isn't relevant just makes the game annoying because usually when either of us has a read on eachother we will out it or ask others for help

You're responding to Cape's wallpost where he's scumreading Dyachei (cut down to what's relevant to my point)


Dunno if I should be concerned about dyachei having 0 comment on benneh's #26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852477&viewfull=1#post2053852477)

Been unsuccessful with trying to find turbos we shared though, which would maybe be more of an apt comparison just because of how early it is into this game.

Okay whatever, so they found me scummy in a completely different game state when it was literally day 2 at that point and a lot more has come out. But this hedginess doesn't resonate with what I have seen from them, and I am curious about benneh's take on that since both of them have hydra'd multiple times together.



i don't have an opinion on dya not having an opinion on you yet. i'm not sure why they should other than you mentioning them not responding to #26 but i don't really know if they would anyway. we are good friends but not attached at the hip--they don't highly investigate everythhing i do, nor I them, and especially not in the first couple dozen posts of the game

I'm reading this as you telling Cape it's unreasonable of him to expect Dyachei to have commented on your post (a sentiment I agree with btw) which feels like a defense to me. As in, you don't have a read on Dyachei yourself, but you think Cape's reason for scumreading them is far-fetched. Which I see as a subtle defense.

Don't let it irritate you Benneh.

[dyachei]

I don't need to comment on Ben's post because we have before and it's always the same back and forth about it. There's no point and it's probably because we know each other well

[Totally not Taffy]

Apologies. I was slightly bored/annoyed that not a single person cared or questioned it.
I have not and have no interested in checking every single persons schedule and when they clock in to read or play and when they leave and thus misjudged you in my reaction.

You as an individual used it for a wolfread instead of asking me any questions about it or anything else. But whatever. Now you got it and can either read into it or not.

The lack of curiosity in most humans will always surprise me.

Thanks for the explanations. Fwiw I probably would have asked about it had I been in the thread when you posted it.
My main conclusion is that you are not w/w with Visor.

[Totally not Taffy]

I think cape came into this game expecting to push me and is doing exactly that. Idk if cuth was joking or actually telling me it was a wolfy sup (I suspect joking) but it set the mood for how people are treating me this game and tbqh I'm over it entirely.

Taffy I'm always defensive and you've seen that in previous games we've played because it has happened on the org

Gemma is actually wolfy. Her pushes and thoughts are like surface level while there are deeper things to look at. Including busy work but that read on cape feels like tmi defense of a villager.

You are often defensive, true, it was more how you characterised Cape's post that struck me. Do you have reads on me/Baudib/Jan?

[baudib1]

Taffy seems V

[dyachei]

You are often defensive, true, it was more how you characterised Cape's post that struck me. Do you have reads on me/Baudib/Jan?

Jan seems like he finally randed villager. I'm a bit concerned about baudib because he seems so rational this game. I think you might be v but not ready to commit to that

[Gemma]

why dont you care that it's been busywork? like am I the only person that sees wolves do a lot of busywork to try and prove how towny they are?

busywork is not villagery. I'm not saying you should actively wolf read him but I wouldnt clear him for it at all

because it's page 2

what else is he or anyone supposed to do

it's either post and make up nonsense or post cats or not post any

[Gemma]

shit, im here, sorry was gonna check in yday and forgot

villagery

[Jan]

Jan seems like he finally randed villager. I'm a bit concerned about baudib because he seems so rational this game. I think you might be v but not ready to commit to that

I was lost wolf last game. But that was powerrangers mash and being a lost wolf is like being a villager - just make sure you are not overly honest.
But you do the same solving

But I will take that read since it is technically mostly correct.

I have no real baseline to read baudib tbh. in mashes baudib has 400 posts and I ingore the slot. And I don't turbo.
So this is basically our first actual game together I think. :D

[dyachei]

I was lost wolf last game. But that was powerrangers mash and being a lost wolf is like being a villager - just make sure you are not overly honest.
But you do the same solving

But I will take that read since it is technically mostly correct.

I have no real baseline to read baudib tbh. in mashes baudib has 400 posts and I ingore the slot. And I don't turbo.
So this is basically our first actual game together I think. :D

I wasnt in power Rangers and didn't read it

[Gemma]

Okay I have my concerns here

Lemme outline what's being said here about me because it's a mess

-Jan calls me out for doing weird busy work
-Says it could be a copy/paste
-Go back to the part where Jan talks about me talking about turbo meta
-Now the copy/paste accusation makes no sense
-Says in the next line it's an attempt to start conversation
-If it's a copy/paste, how is it an attempt to start a conversation? (Okay I know there was another part of the post where i give reads and stuff but still)

That pretty much outlines my issues with Jan's post.

Also the Gemma comment kinda pinged me here so i included it (I could be overthinking that part though).

mindmeld yeah

it felt kinda backwards-forwards to me that's probably not a description that makes sense outside my head

wdym gemma comment pinged you

[Jan]

I wasnt in power Rangers and didn't read it

That was a reference to you saying I finally randed villager.

But honestly I am just having some fun and don't really care all that much what people think about me for now.
Which in a way is what you are reading into I think.

People focussing on dya every game early on is just weird.
It has been a thing for years and years and has never not been weird.

[Gemma]

3 of the most recent games you and i have played together is very obviously cherry picking, right right. I also didn't bring up a wolf game from you where you ignored me all together. I didn't bring up any of your wolf games, you have shown you haven't actually read into my post though so thanks for digging that pit for yourself

I am not expecting you to push me, I was making the point of

1. You can read me, you have been inconsistent at it, but as town you clearly have your gears turning with me.
2. I think dismissing the read on me as like "oh cape isn't an easy read for me" is sketch and I have seen mafia do similar because "cape is so polarized and i cant possibly read him". But as I said, that's assuming you would do what wolves do and not try to read me in good faith, which you already honestly have a leg up in right now and it's worrying me.

oh no

[Jan]

mindmeld yeah

it felt kinda backwards-forwards to me that's probably not a description that makes sense outside my head

wdym gemma comment pinged you

It was a weird post to construct. I normally only reread for major typos, but that one I actually changed several times.
(Oh no a wolf tell!)

[nebjiamn]

You're responding to Cape's wallpost where he's scumreading Dyachei (cut down to what's relevant to my point)





I'm reading this as you telling Cape it's unreasonable of him to expect Dyachei to have commented on your post (a sentiment I agree with btw) which feels like a defense to me. As in, you don't have a read on Dyachei yourself, but you think Cape's reason for scumreading them is far-fetched. Which I see as a subtle defense.

Don't let it irritate you Benneh.
semantics, but me telling cape i don't believe something is algnment indicative for dya and explaining why isn't defense -- and the reply is from a direct question cape had: "and I am curious about benneh's take on that since both of them have hydra'd multiple times together."

one informs the other -- i had no opinion and explained why -- you calling it defense is a bit silly imo

[Gemma]

9. Pzelda: opening that says he doesn't want to read but then immediately gets down to business, which I find inherently contradictory - lean w

why is contradictory wolfy

[Gemma]

Since nobody ever bothered to ask a single question about my very early readslist I will tell you because your conclusion is just weirdly lazy.

I thought nobody had done anything of actual value at the time of the list and sorted by small stuff to see a. how bad it is postgame and b create content.

the small stuff for cape and baudib was that both of them really did their own thing and did not care about anything else happening early.
No attempt to look good was made. You could argue both of them purposefully attempted to look bad.


And cuths question to dya just felt like somebody trying to look good by asking a question that looks useful but really is nothing.

Dya on the other hand got some points for basically not caring about cuths questions.

Mikroreads basically and nothing of importance.

The other 3 were firmly null. I just put a space between gemma and ben/you to be a nuisance.


I was very amused that my microreads/bullshit lists from early on was then more or less the same list that visor gave 12 hours later.

Anyways. This is content you could have interacted with on your own but decided to ignore.

villagery

[baudib1]

On a scale of 1 (caught for wrong reasons) and 10 (annoyed villager range) I’d put Dya around a 6.5.

If Cape didn’t mention the fact that he does indeed do busy work as a wolf I would be pretty suss but he’s ~ fine think.

Everyone just pretended that Visor wasn’t outed so …. OK I guess?

PZelda is the wolf everyone forgot to comment on.

[Gemma]

actually the first half is villagery the second half isn't

[baudib1]

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

[Gemma]

when did everyone start using micro as a prefix

i always miss the boat on these things

[baudib1]

Jan was so villagery as lost wolf we ducking vanillaized him slekrdnnsnxxnenbala!

[Gemma]

Apologies. I was slightly bored/annoyed that not a single person cared or questioned it.
I have not and have no interested in checking every single persons schedule and when they clock in to read or play and when they leave and thus misjudged you in my reaction.

You as an individual used it for a wolfread instead of asking me any questions about it or anything else. But whatever. Now you got it and can either read into it or not.

The lack of curiosity in most humans will always surprise me.

tbf it's a readlist on page 0

i did respond to it though!

[Cape90]

how is that a defense of dya? i'm just sick and tired of everyone assuming we have instant ramen reads on each other or insight into every little micropost just because we are good friends and someone poking at stuff that isn't relevant just makes the game annoying because usually when either of us has a read on eachother we will out it or ask others for help

Well ben, it's had to not draw that line when you also said this earlier this day 1


someone ping me when dya and visor post more

[baudib1]

Gemma how many games have you played? Have we ever played together

[nebjiamn]

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.
why not

[nebjiamn]

Well ben, it's had to not draw that line when you also said this earlier this day 1
having fun playing with someone != instant ramen noodle reads on everything they do

you're really reaching with this one

[Gemma]

Her pushes and thoughts are like surface level while there are deeper things to look at.

cant help bein stoopid

[baudib1]

why not

I think the thing we missed in that Sunbae game was that he was really digging into miscellaneous things to make people look bad.

[baudib1]

I think the thing we missed in that Sunbae game was that he was really digging into miscellaneous things to make people look bad.

Not miscellaneous things but interpreting NAI things in the worst light possible (SK being SK, for instance).

[nebjiamn]

ok '

[Cape90]

I think cape came into this game expecting to push me and is doing exactly that. Idk if cuth was joking or actually telling me it was a wolfy sup (I suspect joking) but it set the mood for how people are treating me this game and tbqh I'm over it entirely.

Taffy I'm always defensive and you've seen that in previous games we've played because it has happened on the org

Gemma is actually wolfy. Her pushes and thoughts are like surface level while there are deeper things to look at. Including busy work but that read on cape feels like tmi defense of a villager.

if I went into this game expecting to suspect you, then how does that make me at all town?

Like yeah I agree that Gemma could be TMIing me and stuff, but if what you are saying is true, then like, don't I have an agenda? Okay if I was in your shoes, that's like... where my mind would go if we just are thinking that, which makes me think you just know I am town

[Gemma]

It was a weird post to construct. I normally only reread for major typos, but that one I actually changed several times.
(Oh no a wolf tell!)

editing posts smh

[nebjiamn]

On a scale of 1 (caught for wrong reasons) and 10 (annoyed villager range) I’d put Dya around a 6.5.

If Cape didn’t mention the fact that he does indeed do busy work as a wolf I would be pretty suss but he’s ~ fine think.

Everyone just pretended that Visor wasn’t outed so …. OK I guess?

PZelda is the wolf everyone forgot to comment on.
i would have put it at 7.2

idk about cape. i dont think mentioning self meta for him here is AI. but i'm looking at his push on dya and i can sorta believe it from his pov but it also feels like he jumped right into it in a pre-planned sorta way

if i were a wolf i'd say he and dya are a different check but i'm not so ill just pretend i didn't just say it

(real: i dont actually think thats certainly true but the dynamic does bug me)

visor is within all of his range rn idt you need to pendulum so much on him

pzelda meh

[nebjiamn]

challenge for 12 hours: cape and dya focus elsewhere and then we'll have more interesting stuff to talk about if they still wanna go at eachother (though from what im reading dya isnt actually going at cape NOR explicltly calling him a villager)

still works as a challenge

[Gemma]

Well ben, it's had to not draw that line when you also said this earlier this day 1
https://media.tenor.com/ObpKQHWJ2IYAAAAM/side-eyeing-chloe-chloe.gif


Gemma how many games have you played? Have we ever played together
uh

idk

a lot

why

doubt we've played together

[Gemma]

challenge for 12 hours: cape and dya focus elsewhere and then we'll have more interesting stuff to talk about if they still wanna go at eachother (though from what im reading dya isnt actually going at cape NOR explicltly calling him a villager)

still works as a challenge

jacknodding

[Cape90]

Taffy seems V

You are pretty agreeable this game

[baudib1]

Taffy’a observation that JanVisor is not w/w is probably correct.

[Cape90]

mindmeld yeah

it felt kinda backwards-forwards to me that's probably not a description that makes sense outside my head

wdym gemma comment pinged you

With Jan's comment on you, I don't really feel like holding reads is exactly pro town. Like yeah it's early in the game and things are going to be retracted. Seems rather... careful, but I have seen town do things like this for some reason too, so I that was why i made the comment about me overthinking it

[Cape90]

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

what do you mean by that?

[Cuthillius]

here's my picoreads list

cape

dya

benneh
gemma
jan

baudib
taffy
visor

pzelda

[Gemma]

did benneh's 54 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852505&viewfull=1#post2053852505) ping you and you just didn't mention it or was there something diff about that

[Visor]

I would definitely be charitable as a wolf?

[Visor]

Reminder to self to read pzeldas posts tomorrow but quick snippets seemed yikes

[Cape90]

having fun playing with someone != instant ramen noodle reads on everything they do

you're really reaching with this one

You know what I believe you and therefore I will let this go

[Cape90]

actually the first half is villagery the second half isn't

didn't respond to this because i don't get it

[Visor]

Btw, Is Benneh Baudib?
Also, Jan's fairly active and I guess that makes them towny-ish? Also, I mindmelded with Jan's take on Cape's wall. It's weird busywork indeed.

This post isn't great but I guess it's hard to have a real opinion on his posts

Thought rescinded

[baudib1]

what do you mean by that?

I guess I’m leaning toward he YOLOsd a V read on you and then when he realized the reasons behind it were wrong he decided to keep it instead of rescinding.

I would definitely be charitable as a wolf?

Oh ok

[Visor]

didn't respond to this because i don't get it

I can retire from ww

I have found it

The most villagery post of all time

Congrats cape

[Visor]

I guess I’m leaning toward he YOLOsd a V read on you and then when he realized the reasons behind it were wrong he decided to keep it instead of rescinding.


Oh ok

Tbf, the Crux of the post was still fine, just small details were wrong

[Cuthillius]

i'll be honest i haven't been awake enough to really truly absorb what benneh/gemma/cape have been arguing about

but i thought cape's entrance made more sense as cape!v than cape!w so that's like a moderate one

and then gemma is just talking like gemma normally maybe this is a me being used to gemma thing but i don't think they're like drawing back from engaging with things at the same time i don't really have any concrete reasons to v-read them but i do feel a bit biased towards them because i think benneh was going a bit hard there

talking through this i might drop benneh down into the lower category because he's stronk but eh it's okay either way

and by stronk i don't just mean in terms of capability but willingness to dive in hard on something specific at this point in the game

but ig by default i'm giving the antiestablishment vibes a slight v-read here

jan and baudib have both posted a fair amount but nothing that's bumped the needle

pzelda's opening posts seemed genuinely slightly weak in the knees but i don't really remember them much better to comment in depth

[nebjiamn]

here's my picoreads list

cape

dya

benneh
gemma
jan

baudib
taffy
visor

pzelda
we are kinda upside down reads wise

i think thats neat

[Visor]

Ben what do U think of cuth

[Cape90]

If Cape didn’t mention the fact that he does indeed do busy work as a wolf I would be pretty suss but he’s ~ fine think.


this is a snippet of post #156

but I think it's... questionable

I think PZelda/Visor/Gemma is the "boring answer POE"

[Cuthillius]

we are kinda upside down reads wise

i think thats neat

we were too locked in step last time we randed wolf together it's good to switch things up

[Cuthillius]

this is a snippet of post #156

but I think it's... questionable

I think PZelda/Visor/Gemma is the "boring answer POE"

talk more about pzelda?

and do you have any thoughts on visor beyond hasn't posted much of impact?

[Gemma]

i'll be honest i haven't been awake enough to really truly absorb what benneh/gemma/cape have been arguing about

hey i haven't done any arguing don't lump me in with those fools

[nebjiamn]

Ben what do U think of cuth
off the cuff i think he's slightly v

[Cuthillius]

hey i haven't done any arguing don't lump me in with those fools

is jan a villager?

[baudib1]

this is a snippet of post #156

but I think it's... questionable

I think PZelda/Visor/Gemma is the "boring answer POE"

What does this post even mean?
Do you think I should be wolfreading you? Are you not fine? Do you disagree with Visor calling you V?

What would your PoE be?

[nebjiamn]

im probly somethin like this, tiers not ordered within etc:

jan
dya


taffy


cuth

baudib


visor
cape


gemma
pzelda

[Gemma]

is jan a villager?

probably

[nebjiamn]

im probly somethin like this, tiers not ordered within etc:

jan
dya

taffy

cuth
baudib

visor
cape


gemma
pzelda
wow that spacing was fucked up. should be better now

[Cuthillius]

probably

neato

[Gemma]

im probly somethin like this, tiers not ordered within etc:

jan
dya


taffy


cuth

baudib


visor
cape


gemma
pzelda

it genuinely tickles me when people w read me for goofing around and then just stay in the tunnel

carry on

[nebjiamn]

it genuinely tickles me when people w read me for goofing around and then just stay in the tunnel

carry on
i'm not wolf reading you for goofing around nor am i in a tunnel

[dyachei]

it'as amazing to me that people have reads on visor considering he's done nothing AI all game

[Gemma]

neato

because if jan is a wolf he has zero control over the gamestate and probably dies to poe day 4 after iguessimbussing his team

[Cape90]

talk more about pzelda?

and do you have any thoughts on visor beyond hasn't posted much of impact?

I wish I could talk more about pzelda, but there isn't really anything to say there. I was gonna wait until they popped back in for a proper assessment there as they have very obviously have been firmly null. And no them contradicting themselves doesn't mean anything to me either.

When I read Visor I thought


well i was wrong cause apparently cape posted before that post

but i refuse to adjust my opinion, cape v

This was changing a null read to a town read on me, but then i realized I misread that he was townreading me and not just calling my wall irrelevant and stuff. So I think that's slightly strange.

Other then that, it's kinda a huge shrug otherwise.

Visor sometimes gets shrugyeeted, and I am more confident in my ability to read dyachei the more they cook, so for now, would rather apply pressure there

[Cuthillius]

because if jan is a wolf he has zero control over the gamestate and probably dies to poe day 4 after iguessimbussing his team

hum

idk that i'd say anyone has control over the gamestate rn or that it'd be very easy to in this group

i feel like that'll probably be an uphill battle for the wolves regardless of what happens-- strong villages tend to lose because of infighting not because of dominant narrative control

[Gemma]

i'm not wolf reading you for goofing around nor am i in a tunnel

that's what they all say

[Cuthillius]

cape i would like to join those petitioning you to not actively push dya for a bit regardless of your feelings there just for gamestate health

but thanks for the reply i think it clarified things in a very unclarifying way

[Gemma]

hum

idk that i'd say anyone has control over the gamestate rn or that it'd be very easy to in this group

i feel like that'll probably be an uphill battle for the wolves regardless of what happens-- strong villages tend to lose because of infighting not because of dominant narrative control

sure but he's not even trying

i'm not saying it's a fort knox of a read but

[Cape90]

Visor's comment on benneh's weirdly written post is like... I could see it, if I didn't have enough experience with benneh to know that's a pretty normally written post for him + it's not the type of weirdly written post that bothers me in general.

[Cape90]

Vote: UNVOTE

Sure, it seems dya is frustrated with my push there + me tryharding (*which wasn't really planned by me, but then i just got the sudden urge to actually try just kinda out of nowhere, it will go away by like day 3)

[Gemma]

i think it clarified things in a very unclarifying way

wolfy contradiction m'lady

[Cuthillius]

sure but he's not even trying

i'm not saying it's a fort knox of a read but

i feel like that's more a factor of when he was in thread than of his actual posts

[baudib1]

Cuth and Benneh both tried to spew me as their wolf partner. WOW!

[nebjiamn]

Cuth and Benneh both tried to spew me as their wolf partner. WOW!
Lock town post

[baudib1]

Cape I didn’t list Gemma as PoE so I’m not sure where you got that from.

[baudib1]

Lock town post

Vote: Sleep

Ok now what

[Gemma]

did benneh's 54 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852505&viewfull=1#post2053852505) ping you and you just didn't mention it or was there something diff about that

this was @ you cape

[Cape90]

Cape I didn’t list Gemma as PoE so I’m not sure where you got that from.

I simply added that one there because I felt like it fit in with what the obvious answer would be. I know you had an earlier TR there


this was @ you cape

Oh I wasn't sure there.

It didn't ping me at all so idk where you are getting that from... though now that you mention it I was going to earlier mention it as benneh outlined his case on you, but voted you obviously then when he used posts you made later on, and to me, the later half of his argument made u look more bad then the first part of his suspicion.

Probably gonna cease posting more until later though for me touching grass reasons.

Reads time

Cuth
Taffy

nebjiamn
baudib1
Jan

Gemma
Visor
dyachei

pzelda

can't in good faith put pzelda as red so i put them in orange, congrats

Vote: pzelda

Now get pressured on i guess.

[dyachei]

Vote: Gemma

[dyachei]

i kind of want people to expand on their baud reads

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

Gemma(2): Benneh, Dya
pzelda(2): Cuth, Cape

sleep(1): Baudib


https://media1.giphy.com/media/WdOlyL35LPDFQ5UQLf/giphy.gif

[Gemma]

i kind of want people to expand on their baud reads

https://www.falseknees.com/comics/imgs/425.webp

[Gemma]

baudib how do you feel about being millet

[Raskolnikov]

EoD in a bit less than 8 hours :popcorn:

[Cuthillius]

https://www.falseknees.com/comics/imgs/425.webp

ok this one's just a bit disturbing lol

also what are your reads who do you not want to kill today and who might you want to kill

thoughts on pzelda? thoughts on millet?

[Visor]

9. Pzelda: opening that says he doesn't want to read but then immediately gets down to business, which I find inherently contradictory - lean w

i dunno if id call his post getting down to business

(also dont really have a problem with contradictory behaviour (that said, id love to see moer from him))

im thinking of flipping my read on baudib, feels really passive

Vote: Baudib

[Visor]

pzelda

show up sil vous plait

[nebjiamn]

?Vote: pzelda

[nebjiamn]

i kind of want people to expand on their baud reads
sorry can't help

gth i'd guess he's the PR but i don't have posts to back that up

[Jan]

sorry can't help

gth i'd guess he's the PR but i don't have posts to back that up

I too vaguely think he is villa and would prefer for him to die tonight so we don't have to reconsider our hopes and dreams.

[Cuthillius]

this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh

[Cuthillius]

i mean or we're just off

or this is tense

but this doesn't really feel tense it just feels like people are having a hard time posting

[nebjiamn]

this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh
i've accepted they're either

a) a very obvious wolf and will die today but the game really wont be any easier tomorrow because everyone will argue (probably correctly) no one can get credit for voting them

b) a villager and we're just kinda unlucky they got caught up in somethin

not like super sold they do flip wolf but i would rather get them out day 1 if this is going to be the norm for their posting level. i'm leaving some hope out that if they ARE a villager they can come in and town tell and help sort things out for eod but with like 3.5 hours left i'm not optimistic

[baudib1]

Lunching Zelda is lame because it doesn’t do anything to resolve the tensions and possible dichotomies in thread.

However, I suppose he has a 40% chance of flipping wolf? So there’s that.

[Jan]

I just don't have anything new to start right now and nobody else is really creating new content either.

I agree with bens read on pzelda. And I don't have anything else that I feel really confident on instead.

[Jan]

Lunching Zelda is lame because it doesn’t do anything to resolve the tensions and possible dichotomies in thread.

However, I suppose he has a 40% chance of flipping wolf? So there’s that.

There is only one tension and I do think that is two villagers fighting as of right now.

What are your possible dichotomies you want to tackle?

[nebjiamn]

Lunching Zelda is lame because it doesn’t do anything to resolve the tensions and possible dichotomies in thread.

However, I suppose he has a 40% chance of flipping wolf? So there’s that.
the only dichotomy you should be worrying about is me and ur mom

[Cape90]

What does this post even mean?
Do you think I should be wolfreading you? Are you not fine? Do you disagree with Visor calling you V?

What would your PoE be?

I'm calling your bluff that


If Cape didn’t mention the fact that he does indeed do busy work as a wolf I would be pretty suss

is something you wouldn't actually sus me for, like something I arbitrarily just happened to bring up there.

Also If I didn't say that, trying to push me for not saying that is total blackmail.

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

pzelda(3): Cuth, Cape, Benneh
Gemma(1): Dya
Baudib(1): VIsor

sleep(1): Baudib


https://media.tenor.com/cD5TJYkr6GoAAAAM/brock-purdy-niners.gif

EOD in 2 hours, 52 minutes.

[nebjiamn]

pzelda/visor feels like a real possibility

[nebjiamn]

Visor give ur thoughts on dya whenever u get a chance

[dyachei]

i think zelda is a possibility but he's not a very exciting wolf to catch. I'd prefer to find the partner, probably

And baudib kind of fits that bill for me - he's kind of passive, he's rational with his arguments, which I'm not really used to from his village games. He's usually the kind that doesn't completely explain his reads. He's explaining them here and they make a lot of sense. Idk, it just strikes me as wolfy

[Visor]

pzelda/visor feels like a real possibility

pzelda could be with anyone cmon lol

[Visor]

Visor give ur thoughts on dya whenever u get a chance

i was going to say that i feel like dya has been more reacting to others rather than being proactive (but i just saw they also think baudib is sus, so time to hard townread dya :curtain:)

[nebjiamn]

what do you think of visor, dya?

baud's wolfiest post to me was when he talked about how w!me and w!dya would use "i can't read cape" as an excuse to pile on cape. primarily because i never even said that. but it could mean onthing because a lot of ppl seem to have misinterpreted me re: cape

i think its weird for him to be a wolf and make 2 posts about visor (visor is outed! which had jokey tone followed by "visor is outed mafia, thoughts?" which showed he may have actually believed it) and prodding him.

[Cape90]

i kind of want people to expand on their baud reads


Gemma’s probably too level 1 partnered with Cape for it to be w/w but I hate myself for even saying that.

If Gemma is a villager they’re making reads in a surface level a way that’s probably dangerous. OTOH nothing really has happened, so…

I found this read towny, though in a level 0 world, w/w with Gemma.

Question, do you think baud is wolf shielding you from me?


Dya’s response in #86 is probably > rand V for them.


On a scale of 1 (caught for wrong reasons) and 10 (annoyed villager range) I’d put Dya around a 6.5.

I ask because if they are wolf, they are clearly trying to pocket you.

I also just dunno why


This game doesn’t really start until Visor gets here imo.

This opinion exists, though it lines up with their later calling Visor wolf I suppose


Visor is outed mafia!


visor is obvious mafia. Thoughts?

Looking back, this backing off of suspicion on Visor looks strange though.


I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

Visor has continued to defend me this game after this, I know that.

I forgot that boob1 openwolved here


If this were a turbo I’d say Benneh giving Taffy a tonal V read is probably V for him because the turbo population isn’t great at reading her.

I, on the other hand, refuse to give Taffy a V!lean (cuz I’m a wolf ldo).

So yeah, this is him openwolfing, whatever that means for him.


Taffy seems V

As I said, this is agreeable, and I like when it was said. But I was tinfoiling that that could mean they were wolf, but I was giving townpoints for it.

I liked that boob1 was getting down to business immediately, though looking back, I probably placed them too high on my list

saying things like


Why am I V? I’ve done nothing.

Can sometimes come from wolf

TO EXPAND ON MY LAST POST

Forgot to mention baud's literal earlier read on me


Cape’s style is completely different in turbos and mashes.
I can see a world where W!Benneh or W!Dya uses “I can’t really read Cape” as an excuse to use kind of throw their hands up and encourage pushes on him. Can also see W!Cape trying to sow distrust among strong villagers, but I’m not quite sure that’s his wolfing style.

I’m not inclined to go there today when he’s seemingly generating more mafia related content than anyone else so far.

If you want a hottish take, the wolf sitting back and watching with glee here could be Jan.

So baud turning around and being like "if cape didn't say some arbitrary thing, he's kinda wolfy" is kinda wolfy to me, because before this they were asking how good they are at reading me, and I said above average.

Yeah boob1 gets it wrong sometimes, but they have an ~okay read on me in at least turbos fwiw (oh my god cape bringing this up again :wall:), though both him and me are obviously playing very different here so...