This is Football! (Closed 10er)

[Cape90]

Man I'm kinda busy this afternoon.

Also very sure now Gemma is town.

Catching up still.

[Cape90]

Anyway I’ll just talk to myself as I try to figure this out and maybe come to a solve that’s correct in DVC. If this helps anyone later in the game at all it won’t be a total waste.

Jan: Can you elaborate on your read on Gemma?

Cape/Cuth: why do you V read each other so highly

Gemma: can tou explain your vote on Taffy?

Baud I said yesterday

Have you told what may ping you about the slot? I asked you that y'day but you didn't respond. Though it was late into the day

[Cape90]

Jan's early readslist was post 48 when Baudib had made two posts, namely these two:



A purposely wolfy opener. This is NAI



Calling Benneh a noob. This is also NAI


...two NAI joke posts. Yes I will scumread someone who puts this as top town.

My readslist was post 133, when Baudib had made 17 posts, and my townread was based on the following:



First mindmeld, I also thought "this is not an answer to the actual question" and it shows that Baudib actually cares about his question to Cape instead of just asking to have interactions with the other players. He also acknowledges here that he hasn't done anything AI yet which lined up with my own opinion.

This mirrored my own feelings about Cape and Jan at that time.

I also found Pzelda's opener cringe.

I had not thought either of these but I agreed when I read them.

Benneh has only recently started trying to read me D1, his read this game felt in line wiith the ones he's made in turboes but he could have gotten away with not making one. He probably also knows that I tend to be suspicious of people who townread me early so this is a fair read on Benneh.

Baudib likewise has only started trying to read me recently so not wanting to do so until I posted more was fine.

I disagree that he had done nothing, but it's a fair question.

I too thought that Jan was likely a wolf at that point, and probably for similar reasons.


You are comparing apples and oranges, Gemma.




No, Pzelda wolfy for saying he doesn't want to read and then in his next posts interacting and asking serious questions which requires reading, instead of coming in thread, saying he doesn't want to read, and joking around with people.

The rest of this post I've already responded to.

Looking at this big huge turbo that happened yesterday, bauds opening could be a turbo joke and it went over my head because they have so many inside jokes by now.

[Visor]

Tbh baudib if you aren't a wolf I'd punt cuth into the sun

So if you vote there id consider it

[Cape90]

Cape your reason for thinking Benneh shouldn't townread Cuth for having you as top town is the same as Baudib's reason for scumreading the fact that you have Cuth as top town.

"You have someone as your top town who you shouldn't reasonably be townreading" applies to Benneh and yourself equally.
Difference is I never contradicted my read previously on Cuth which is why I questioned benneh there because he did.
Yes I figure that reads change and stuff, I just wanted him to tell why they have seemed to. And he did

[Cape90]

It doesn't work if you point it out

I don't think it's a tell in general

[Raskolnikov]

EOD in 2 hours (tally's unchanged)

[nebjiamn]

As town he knows if he pushes the wrong person today we probably lose over it bc he definitely goes tomorrow.

:dizzy2:

(I actually legitimately believe this is a slip gn)

[nebjiamn]

:dizzy2:

(I actually legitimately believe this is a slip gn)
oph wait im a fucking idiot nevermind LMFAO

[nebjiamn]

chatgpt how do i delete ap ost

[nebjiamn]

#fordya im gona stay on baud and hope he flips wolf and we can clear visor

if baud is v then it probably means one of cape or gemma is a wolf

thats the only analysis im bothering with today cyall tomorrow in post

[Cuthillius]

i thought i'd be here for eod but i don't think i will be

i read cape v because he was doing way too much stuff that was way unnecessary as v in ways that wouldn't be intuitive as w early on

i haven't gone back to double confirm it but i also don't really feel the need to at this point

[Visor]

vote: cuth

yolo

[Totally not Taffy]

Benneh getting slow in his old age smh


I'm around but I really don't have anything to say atm

[Cuthillius]

vote: cuth

yolo

rude af

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(3): Benneh, Cape90, Cuth
Taffy(1): Gemma
Visor(1): baudib
Cuth(1): Visor

https://media0.giphy.com/media/JnZdM8OOYA3mk7HyFn/giphy.gif

EOD in 1 hour

[Cuthillius]

vote: visor

but maybe?

[baudib1]

Hmmmm

Trusting Visor probably can’t go wrong amirite

Vote: Cuthillius

[baudib1]

Baud I said yesterday

Have you told what may ping you about the slot? I asked you that y'day but you didn't respond. Though it was late into the day

Who are you takkkgn about here?

[Cuthillius]

lmao

please don't kill me I'm the town backup bus driver!!

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

Cuth(2): Visor, baudib
baudib(2): Benneh, Cape90
Visor(1): Cuth
Taffy(1): Gemma


https://media.tenor.com/p7tUEOFcx_sAAAAM/lamar-jackson.gif

[Cuthillius]

vote:baudib

[baudib1]

Let’s go Buffalo!

^
I’m Josh Allen btw

[baudib1]

vote:baudib


Why are you even voting me?

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(3): Benneh, Cape90, Cuth
Cuth(2): Visor, baudib
Taffy(1): Gemma


https://media2.giphy.com/media/4fHOYpTJfwErSeyj7u/giphy.gif

[Cuthillius]

^
I’m Josh Allen btw

never heard of him

[Visor]

now this is spicy

[Cuthillius]

Why are you even voting me?

because you look terrible after yesterday and haven't posted well today and if you're not a wolf visor is and I'm confident in him not getting away with it if so

[baudib1]

never heard of him

This outs you as being a soccer fan

[Visor]

because you look terrible after yesterday and haven't posted well today and if you're not a wolf visor is and I'm confident in him not getting away with it if so

that doesnt make sense

i am lack claire

[baudib1]

because you look terrible after yesterday and haven't posted well today and if you're not a wolf visor is and I'm confident in him not getting away with it if so

I look great bub

[baudib1]

that doesnt make sense

i am lack claire

ME TOO I’M LOCK CLEAR

[Visor]

ME TOO I’M LOCK CLEAR

lets do it

#anticuthgang

[baudib1]

nebjiamn come back some noob is getting lunched here

[baudib1]

This is gonna be funny when I endgame and win at F3 and Dya is screaming to kill me in DVC. :curtain:

[Jan]

I am too tired to be the person to decide this right now.

[Jan]

Vote: Cuthillius

Lettuce be silly.

[Jan]

I didnt want to vote this game after I got so far without doing it.

But with nobody else around I am afraid that wolves have too much influence if I don't.

I am ready to get convinced that I am an idiot.

Until I fall asleep.

[Visor]

yeet

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

Cuth(3): Visor, baudib, Jan
baudib(3): Benneh, Cape90, Cuth
Taffy(1): Gemma


https://media.tenor.com/SdfMuWchRqQAAAAM/dak-prescott-dancing.gif


EOD in 30 minutes :curtain:

[Cuthillius]

uh can we not

[Jan]

I don't know what I am doing.
Get a grown up in here if you want to live.

[Cuthillius]

what are you guys doing

visor are you actually a wolf

[Cuthillius]

I don't know what I am doing.
Get a grown up in here if you want to live.
Gemma taffy Cape90 or whatever your name is

but that's no excuse if you're v you should absolutely know better jan

[Visor]

what are you guys doing

visor are you actually a wolf

yes obv

[baudib1]

Haha I can’t belive I’m getting away with this

[Visor]

lolcowboys so far

Vote: baudib glgl

[Jan]

Gemma taffy Cape90 or whatever your name is

but that's no excuse if you're v you should absolutely know better jan

how?

what have you done that makes you not a wolf?

the whole game is people idling myself included. All my reads a vague vibes and no substance because there is no substance to be had.

Give me a reason why you re good and I will switch to baudib. Or get a grown up that tells me to fuck off. :X

[baudib1]

lolcowboys so far

Vote: baudib glgl

Fucking betrayal wow

[Jan]

lolcowboys so far

Vote: baudib glgl

I am mostly sad you didn't wait another 14 minutes.

[Visor]

I am mostly sad you didn't wait another 14 minutes.

just wanted to watch handegg without having to switch back tbh lol

[Jan]

just wanted to watch handegg without having to switch back tbh lol

get a 2nd screen?

[baudib1]

Wow Packers go!

[Visor]

get a 2nd screen?

one of these days ill scrounge up the dollarydoos

[baudib1]

just wanted to watch handegg without having to switch back tbh lol

I can’t believe you betrayed me. A true American lock clear football player.

[Gemma]

im here kinda do i need to do anything

[baudib1]

I am pretty much volume cleared here. As a wolf everyone knows I freeze up and zero post. DOUBLE LOCK CLEAR

[nebjiamn]

i'm lionel messi

[baudib1]

im here kinda do i need to do anything

I still think you’re town will you believe in me?

[Raskolnikov]

i'm lionel messi

Die.

[baudib1]

i'm lionel messi

OUTED!

[Jan]

vote: Visor

for being the worst.

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(4): Benneh, Cape, Cuth, Visor
Cuth(2): baudib, Jan
Taffy(1): Gemma


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/80/1a/26801a1c808e65155a0b080a702dfc82.gif


EOD in 15 minutes :stare:

[Gemma]

i'm lionel messi

cool i guess not

[Visor]

I can’t believe you betrayed me. A true American lock clear football player.

congratulations on being traded to the carolina panthers

[baudib1]

Benneh outed + Modspew

Let’s gettem

[Visor]

cut frozen

[Gemma]

I still think you’re town will you believe in me?

i mean i asked you who the villa was we needed to win the game and crickets

so not really

also i dont need townreads

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(4): Benneh, Cape, Cuth, Visor
Cuth(1): baudib
Visor(1): Jan
Taffy(1): Gemma


I've been ninja'ed :dizzy2:

[baudib1]

i mean i asked you who the villa was we needed to win the game and crickets

so not really

also i dont need townreads

Taffy probably town but im kinda getting nervous about that.

[Gemma]

is this the emoji flavor of the month

[Gemma]

Taffy probably town but im kinda getting nervous about that.

ok have you played with her much

[baudib1]

The lesson here is to never trust Australians.

[baudib1]

ok have you played with her much

Only in turbos tbh

[Gemma]

like even if i v read you here no one else does afaict so there's not a lot i personally could do about it

[nebjiamn]

im dak prescott

[baudib1]

im dak prescott

im so sorry

[baudib1]

I’M LITERALLY UN’ccd JOSH ALLEN
I’M VOLUME CLEARED
THERE’S SOME OTHER RAISIN I FORGOT

tRIPlE LOCK CLEAr

[Jan]

vote: nebjiamn

[baudib1]

vote: nebjiamn

Nice

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(4): Benneh, Cape, Cuth, Visor
Cuth(1): baudib
Benneh(1): Jan
Taffy(1): Gemma


https://media0.giphy.com/media/YXOWdXBekX7wfG6uYU/200w.gif?cid=6c09b95263ctdixomzf99ubmaaiqelwfc4pl4tlqpno9duep&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g


EOD in 5 minutes :stare:

[nebjiamn]

quick someone else vote me, im on the ropes

[baudib1]

LAST CHANCE TO SAVE BAUDIB1

[Cape90]

Anything poggers going on?

Pretty sure baud is still wolf. Bringing up the DADV thing was kinda sus

[baudib1]

Vote: Nebjiamn

[Jan]

quick someone else vote me, im on the ropes

vote: Benneh

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

baudib(4): Benneh, Cape, Cuth, Visor
Benneh(2): Jan, baudib
Taffy(1): Gemma


https://media3.giphy.com/media/LS8uVzQDLGHZZX0mYT/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952lmcjv25sw0arp1cyefs10klmb8vy7a7dye3663re&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g


EOD in 2 minutes :stare:

[nebjiamn]

let it rand

Vote: Unvote

[baudib1]

gg I was mafia

[Jan]

Anything poggers going on?

Pretty sure baud is still wolf. Bringing up the DADV thing was kinda sus

what even is the dadv thing?

[Gemma]

Anything poggers going on?

Pretty sure baud is still wolf. Bringing up the DADV thing was kinda sus

no it wasnt

[Gemma]

what even is the dadv thing?

dead air dead villager

[baudib1]

Dude lunching Benneh here would be funny just sayin

[Jan]

Vote: baudib

hammer for the cred.

[Gemma]

let it rand

Vote: Unvote

good meme

[Raskolnikov]

Stop posting pls.

[Raskolnikov]

Final Votecount

baudib(4): Cape, Cuth, Visor, Jan
Benneh(1): baudib
Taffy(1): Gemma


https://media0.giphy.com/media/ZE5jLCFAzlpgxXQqM5/giphy.gif


Baudib has been yeeted, flip incoming :bow:

[Raskolnikov]

Baudib was:

Erling Haaland, from Manchester City.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Erling_Haaland_2023_%28cropped%29.jpg/250px-Erling_Haaland_2023_%28cropped%29.jpg

Mafia goon, you win when you reach parity with the village. You can carry the factional night kill.

Here is your cover role though:


You are Josh Allen, from Buffalo Bills.

https://sportsnaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Syndication-USA-TODAY-21408247.jpg

Vanilla townie, you win when all threats to the village have been removed.

It is now night (even in Gemma's time space), you may not post for the next 24h. Send in NAs etc etc...

Sleep well folks.

[Raskolnikov]

SOD3: Gemma has been killed last night!

She was:

Brock Purdy, from the San Francisco 49ers.

https://sportsnaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/NFL-San-Francisco-49ers-at-Pittsburgh-Steelers-21391675.jpg?resize=2048,1366

Vanilla townie, you win when all threats to the town have been removed.

You may now post!

EOD in 48 hours.

living players:

Visor
Jan
Totally not Taffy
nebjiamn
Cape90
Cuthillius

dead players:

pzelda
dyachei
baudib1
Gemma

[Visor]

boooooo

kill me cowards

[Jan]

Kills are getting weirder.

Taffy? Did you do that?

[nebjiamn]

unlucky

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Taffy

i'll re-eval at f4/3 if needed

[Cuthillius]

huh

[Cuthillius]

well i guess i won't reevaluate cape rn then

[Jan]

Vote: Taffy

i'll re-eval at f4/3 if needed

this feels hurried.

[Cuthillius]

i guess i really haven't been paying attention to the nfl for a while now

brock purdy is like the most american name i can think of damn

[Jan]

I wolfread benneh for claiming my role.

Then I saw that wolves have fakeclaims and realized he just was lying as either alignment and I cannot really read into that.

[nebjiamn]

this feels hurried.
its no one else unless it is and if it is i dont feel its necessary to sort that out today

[nebjiamn]

I wolfread benneh for claiming my role.

Then I saw that wolves have fakeclaims and realized he just was lying as either alignment and I cannot really read into that.
you're leo messi?

big fan

[nebjiamn]

oh right dak prescott

i claimed that because he sucks and was embarassed last night

i'm cj stroud irl

[Cuthillius]

baud and taffy had a weird dynamic all game

i almost think it's too on the nose though?

like taffy coming in and dropping big cases and analysis and stuff at a point when people were kinda shruggy about baud later in day there and starting to turn on her

it's very level 0

that said i think there was a non-zero chance gemma wagon could have theoretically picked up some traction and if she was in that position maybe it's necessary to bolster yourself to have any shot of surviving

but shooting gemma seems a little wild after that

[nebjiamn]

we're all >>>>>>>rand v for being here at sod to see if we died or the game was over

[Jan]

the gemma shot is wild overall because I don't think anyone had locked her in as villa.

so for a lot of wolves gemma would be a got to yeet and not nightkill to win the game.

[Jan]

we're all >>>>>>>rand v for being here at sod to see if we died or the game was over

that is weirdly correct.

[Cuthillius]

i don't think it's visor

i don't think it's cape because of pre-existing reads and also i think of everyone left alive he's the one who'd be by far the least likely to kill gemma

i don't really think it's jan but it could be but he'd be playing with fire with his eod and general lack of teeth-sinking-in

benneh did push baud somewhat decently hard early d2 but that's the only big green check mark in my book

and then there's taffy

[nebjiamn]

not to potentially chainsaw or anything but i'd guess its cape if it isn't taffy but i will admit i haven't done my reread

[Raskolnikov]

Host notes:

* I forgot Cape's vote on Baudib yesterday on some tallies. I have edited them so they should be correct. It doesn't change things mechanically. But apologies about it (I know it may have had an influence for some of you - depends on play style - but that's done anyway. I am reassuring myself thinking nobody spotted it, but Cape, 24 hours later lmao :hide: )

* I have added links to the opening posts (flips).

* Check my ISO for tallies and bad jokes.

glgl

[Jan]

Vote: Taffy

taffy joyless

looking at sod2.

that was gemmas entry post.

I wanted to look more into how the baudib pressure build d2 but this jumped at me first.

[Cuthillius]

Host notes:

* I forgot Cape's vote on Baudib yesterday on some tallies. I have edited them so they should be correct. It doesn't change things mechanically. But apologies about it (I know it may have had an influence for some of you - depends on play style - but that's done anyway. I am reassuring myself thinking nobody spotted it, but Cape, 24 hours later lmao :hide: )

* I have added links to the opening posts (flips).

* Check my ISO for tallies and bad jokes.

glgl

oh shit i would have played completely differently all day yesterday if i'd known

i appreciate the jokes btw!

[nebjiamn]

i don't think it's visor

i don't think it's cape because of pre-existing reads and also i think of everyone left alive he's the one who'd be by far the least likely to kill gemma

i don't really think it's jan but it could be but he'd be playing with fire with his eod and general lack of teeth-sinking-in

benneh did push baud somewhat decently hard early d2 but that's the only big green check mark in my book

and then there's taffy
i just voted him and afk'd all day basically, i wouldnt say i 'pushed him hard'

but i feel like you should see how that clears me because you know that i would be working my butt off to kill anyone else besides baud or at least be getting more meaningful antispew to distance us

i will also note visor/baud and i think even jan were open to voting you and i could have swapped to make you the lead at some point and the only thing i did was Unvote to let it rand between me and baud and never entertained voting you even if i couldnt quite clear you

baud wanted me to die

i'm a pr

do i need to go on

[Cuthillius]

not to potentially chainsaw or anything but i'd guess its cape if it isn't taffy but i will admit i haven't done my reread

why would cape kill gemma

apart from to make me make this argument

[Cuthillius]

i just voted him and afk'd all day basically, i wouldnt say i 'pushed him hard'

but i feel like you should see how that clears me because you know that i would be working my butt off to kill anyone else besides baud or at least be getting more meaningful antispew to distance us

i will also note visor/baud and i think even jan were open to voting you and i could have swapped to make you the lead at some point and the only thing i did was Unvote to let it rand between me and baud and never entertained voting you even if i couldnt quite clear you

baud wanted me to die

i'm a pr

do i need to go on

sick

gemma v n1 yeah?

[Jan]

And I was really confused a moment ago when I was sure my vote on cuth at the time was a fun tiebreaker.

my play now looks even more like the village idiot!

[nebjiamn]

why would cape kill gemma

apart from to make me make this argument
gemma was very clear, why not

to frame taffy maybe

if you think there are arguments for more obvious kills than gemma (e.g. visor or jan or ... me!) then you could probly assign them some wolf equity based off of that but i think gemma was a decent kill for almost any team? she wans't getting mislunched at any point after bauds death idt

[Cuthillius]

gemma was very clear, why not

to frame taffy maybe

if you think there are arguments for more obvious kills than gemma (e.g. visor or jan or ... me!) then you could probly assign them some wolf equity based off of that but i think gemma was a decent kill for almost any team? she wans't getting mislunched at any point after bauds death idt

hm fair maybe i'm underestimating cape

will take into consideration

[Jan]

taffy and baudib are either best friends irl or masons which i don't think ever exists in a 10p game or wolfbuds or i just flat out don't understand the way they've interacted this game

...

[nebjiamn]

i'm primarily clearing visor because i'm relating his play to my own in that i don't think he would just shrugyeet baud day 2 (and also push d1!) without really doing much else to secure his status itt

like caveat that i know visor is in his post-tryhard days of werewolf but i still don't think he just does ?this

[Cuthillius]

i'm primarily clearing visor because i'm relating his play to my own in that i don't think he would just shrugyeet baud day 2 (and also push d1!) without really doing much else to secure his status itt

like caveat that i know visor is in his post-tryhard days of werewolf but i still don't think he just does ?this

ye

i think the d1 stuff is by far the best look i think w/ him and dya both pushing there it had a legit chance of going over

i defs considered swapping at one point

i was assuming visor was pr also because of this

[nebjiamn]

?????? yo tell me someone can think someone is lean v and also just made nai posts at the same time like this

it's like they're trying to suggest jan has tmi but skipping all the steps needed to actually get to a real read of someone having tmi, like that person providing over the top reasoning... not like that person v reading someone you also v read on page 0

"this person wolfy because they have similar read to me" with no further elaboration is just wild

you might as well wolfread yourself while you're at it


the rest of these are nonreads imo like they don't feel like natural thoughts its tonally wolfy also this is what actually wolfy going through the motions or whatever it was you said cape was early day 1 looks like imo

also the pzelda read is something


this was pzelda's post:


pzelda wolfy because they said they're not in the mood for reading but played the game anyway is the most ungenerous take i think you could possibly make from that


taffys been v reading baudib all game



her baudib read is levels of wonky to me

its out of proportion to what baudib has actually done in a way that i think feels forced

for the amount of effort she's put into her baudib v read (not just in this post) it's wishy washy slash noncommittal, and immediately after trying to convince herself/others baudib is town she moves to considering baudib partners namely visor (also despite not w reading visor) - and shortly afterwards asks visor to sell her on w!baudib. separately these are things that are whatever but together with each other they feel incoherent and dissonant imo

i don't think it fits the bill of a villager with a real read that they're torn about

it looks even worse if baudib flips w (and i currently think he will)

the rest of her posts would just be quoting them saying wolfy tone

/39
this was an awesome gemma post -- click thru imo and read their points

[nebjiamn]

Also @nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) why did you not vote Gemma EoD after casing her during the day?
this question was weird given taffy already agreed to my point on pzelda


Main takeaway from catching up is that Dyachei has grown on me.

Also agree with Benneh's take on Pzelda.
.

i've accepted they're either

a) a very obvious wolf and will die today but the game really wont be any easier tomorrow because everyone will argue (probably correctly) no one can get credit for voting them

b) a villager and we're just kinda unlucky they got caught up in somethin

not like super sold they do flip wolf but i would rather get them out day 1 if this is going to be the norm for their posting level. i'm leaving some hope out that if they ARE a villager they can come in and town tell and help sort things out for eod but with like 3.5 hours left i'm not optimistic

this response that she agreed with clearly shows i'd prefer to get zelda out if that was going to be the norm so i'm not sure why she'd question me about voting zelda when i'm not sure taffy ever gave a take on gemma anyway (though i imagine her responses was prodded on by me green checking gemma, would have to double check)

[Cuthillius]

vote: taffy

[nebjiamn]

just skimmed cape's iso a bit .. not at all in depth but he does have some good posts about the gemma/dya and baud interactions
Cape can you talk about why you were reading baud v day 1 and how that changed going into d2?

[nebjiamn]

woops Cape90

[Cuthillius]

no cap

[Cuthillius]

shit i've been snacking on semi sweet chocolate chips and i forgot how much caffeine they have and now i'm a bit wired at 4 pm

[Visor]

i don't think its me either btw

[nebjiamn]

i don't think its me either btw
ok now what

[Visor]

ok now what

ask again later

[Jan]

ask again later

ok now what?

[Visor]

ok now what?

reply hazy, try again

[Cuthillius]

ok now what??

[Cape90]

Vote: Taffy

i'll re-eval at f4/3 if needed

I am lowkey on board with this... sort of

also my vote wasn't counted :( im gonna complain here :( doesn't matter anyways thank god

Anyways, I started seeing that baud was playing weird and I was also thinking Gemma got townier, especially as day 2 went on.

The way baud was responding to pressure was bad, their EOD 1 was honestly kinda bad, looking back in hindsight AT their day 1, the NK on dyachei incriminated them, so like a combination of those things, to TL;DR

I was kinda feeling it too when dyachei asked everyone to elaborate on their baud read day 1, felt something was off there when i did that.

[Cape90]

If benneh is mafia, they went pretty hard bus mode going into day 2. Some paranoia stems from me thinking benneh/baud had weirdish interactions where benneh looked like he was egging baud on ie. #172. Or just bantering. Also had a bad EOD, with unvoting and stuff... it was just weird and I would push this if baud wasn't mafia.

[Cape90]

baud questioning Cuth about their vote on them is maybe questionable #524 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053853039&viewfull=1#post2053853039). I was tinfoiling that baud kept questioning me about my Cuth read because both were w/w, and Cuth was like... kinda handling them with kid gloves. #465 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852959&viewfull=1#post2053852959) was said before the vote on baud later on after all as an example of the kid gloves thing.

Eh I looked back further and I can't really say that I am correct there. I think Cuth and baud are pretty anti-paired.

[Cape90]

so I did all that on benneh/cuth as a baseline

If Visor is mafia, both Visor/baud immediately went for each others throats
I can respect that play if both are mafia LOL, but eh

Jan's kinda angy ramblings this game pocketed me at night so i think they v and chill n stuff + they "hammered"

So like, that leaves me with like Taffy, but im nowhere near confident there

[Jan]

Jan's kinda angy ramblings this game pocketed me at night so i think they v and chill n stuff + they "hammered"


It was either that or not voting at all. I would have preferred the other way around but somehow your vote slipped through the cracks of time and space.

[Jan]

See, as wolf I'd expect Baudib to make a hard push on some town to get that second town yeet before dying tomorrow leaving his partner to only need one more.
As town he knows if he pushes the wrong person today we probably lose over it bc he definitely goes tomorrow.
His lack of confidence today mirrors his indecisiveness in F3s where he has hammer.

If taffy is a wolf defending a buddy like this that is fairly telling for a powerwolf mindset.
Because honestly I would have expected most people to cut baudib loose by that point.

Just a thing for people that have more possible history to think about.

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount


Taffy(2): Benneh, Cuth


https://media2.giphy.com/media/Q3pJKqqpsyzaq1WMeE/200w.gif?cid=82a1493bgwe4w746pskmvnayockfcuebxo2hb2ejo8mpdvix&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[Totally not Taffy]

Kills are getting weirder.

Taffy? Did you do that?

No, I expected you to be the NK bc that's what I'd have done. If I'd planned to kill Gemma I would have ignored her or waved her off with a "her case stinks but she's town anyway" rather than putting so much time in trying to explain to her why her case on me was bad.

Jan why did you have me as your top town even with Baudib as scum yesterday but now that you have confirmation that the latter of that was correct do you start doubting me?

[Totally not Taffy]

its no one else unless it is and if it is i dont feel its necessary to sort that out today

No it is.


ok now what

ok now what?

ok now what??

You all get off your laurels and help me solve in a town!Taffy world especially if you insist on sleepwalking into killing me because that's the position you'll be in if my death doesn't end the game and you'll be getting a 30-hour headstart with two extra townies (me and tonight's NK) to help.

[Totally not Taffy]

i'm a pr

No you're not.


night 1 gemma towen

#fordya im gona stay on baud and hope he flips wolf and we can clear visor

if baud is v then it probably means one of cape or gemma is a wolf

thats the only analysis im bothering with today cyall tomorrow in post

PRs don't suggest their check could be a wolf.

Jan don't blindly clear him he's fpsing and he could be doing that as either alignment

[Totally not Taffy]

this was an awesome gemma post -- click thru imo and read their points

No it wasn't. I picked apart her push on me in posts 480 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852991&viewfull=1#post2053852991) 481 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852992&viewfull=1#post2053852992) and 485 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852996&viewfull=1#post2053852996). This is lazy from you as either alignment, you're pushing me here either without having bothered to iso me or without addressing why my arguments against Gemma's case are bullshit.

And frankly it's disheartening that nobody else has pointed this out. Read me.

[Totally not Taffy]

baud questioning Cuth about their vote on them is maybe questionable #524 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053853039&viewfull=1#post2053853039). I was tinfoiling that baud kept questioning me about my Cuth read because both were w/w, and Cuth was like... kinda handling them with kid gloves. #465 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852959&viewfull=1#post2053852959) was said before the vote on baud later on after all as an example of the kid gloves thing.

Eh I looked back further and I can't really say that I am correct there. I think Cuth and baud are pretty anti-paired.

This is by far the most interesting post that has been made today and I would like you to explain why you changed your mind here because I found Baudib's treatment of Cuth very partnering to the point that I'm considering he might have been doing it on purpose to get Cuth misyeeted after his death.

I'll go make a post showing what I mean I'd like you to tell me how I'm wrong Cape90

[Jan]

No, I expected you to be the NK bc that's what I'd have done. If I'd planned to kill Gemma I would have ignored her or waved her off with a "her case stinks but she's town anyway" rather than putting so much time in trying to explain to her why her case on me was bad.

Jan why did you have me as your top town even with Baudib as scum yesterday but now that you have confirmation that the latter of that was correct do you start doubting me?

I was confused by the kill, saw the last votecount and made a joke based on Gemma voting you at EoD.

[Jan]

While we are talking about football..


Messi winnning Best male player in 2023 is one of the bigger travesties.

He is was basically retired for the 2nd half of the year while Haarland won everything possible.

People are just so used to Messi winning it anyway that they must have voted for him out of habit.


Anyways. Just had to say it since this is a thread about football and all ..

[Visor]

sup

think cuths reaction at eod was bad

Vote: cuthalion

[Jan]

sup

think cuths reaction at eod was bad

Vote: cuthalion

I am not falling for that again, naughty boy!

Tempting me to vote with wrong votals and faked responsibilies.

[nebjiamn]

No you're not.




PRs don't suggest their check could be a wolf.

@Jan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102688) don't blindly clear him he's fpsing and he could be doing that as either alignment
damn its almost like i'm smart and allude to situations that would make wolves not consider me as a nk

like replying to this post !

[nebjiamn]

No it wasn't. I picked apart her push on me in posts 480 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852991&viewfull=1#post2053852991) 481 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852992&viewfull=1#post2053852992) and 485 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154929-This-is-Football!-(Closed-10er)?p=2053852996&viewfull=1#post2053852996). This is lazy from you as either alignment, you're pushing me here either without having bothered to iso me or without addressing why my arguments against Gemma's case are bullshit.

And frankly it's disheartening that nobody else has pointed this out. Read me.
i've read your iso.

gemma's post is clean af. if you're v i can see why you'd disagree but, uh, still a clean post!

[Cuthillius]

sup

think cuths reaction at eod was bad

Vote: cuthalion

i'm sorry for getting a bit freaked out when you and baud and then jan started wagoning me at eod right after i said i wasn't gonna be able to make it for eod

i thought you were more serious about it than you were (from my understanding) and was suddenly panicking that i had not actually spent time pushing baud/making the case there and that i might get yote over him because i figured it was a done deal

[Cuthillius]

DADV

[Cuthillius]

things have been getting fuzzier in my brain as the phase goes on

hoping to sit down and at least skim through some stuff tomorrow to get a more confident handle on where I'm at now

[Cuthillius]

i didn't mind taffy's posts earlier

I'm still a bit confused at the whole i would have shot jan thing

but i guess it wouldn't have been much weirder than gemma

[Cuthillius]

y'all are boring

[Cuthillius]

where is everyone????

[nebjiamn]

enjoying life

[Cuthillius]

enjoying life

must be nice

not that stressed actually i just want the itch of mafia game to be scratched and also a bit concerned atp on a couple levels

[nebjiamn]

must be nice

not that stressed actually i just want the itch of mafia game to be scratched and also a bit concerned atp on a couple levels
ok

who are 2 ppl you would clear itg?

who are the 3 people you would want to kill (we dont have 3 kills but ya)


i think i would clear jan and you before visor/cape/taffy

[nebjiamn]

well that was exhausting

[Cuthillius]

sorry i went and did stuff this evening

before doing work my answer would be ignoring pr stuff for the moment visor/jan over you/cape/taffy in that order?

which is interesting

i'm surprised by your answer

what are your reasonings behind clearing jan and not clearing visor

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount


Taffy(2): Benneh, Cuth
Cuth(1): Visor

https://media4.giphy.com/media/hu1qHxcTGsDdimLJg3/giphy.gif

EOD in 14 hours

[Cape90]

vote:baudib

chalk me uninspired

Was thinking it wasn't Cuth for being one of the only other ppl besides dya to go after baud day 1

[Cape90]

baud's reentrance was a bit uncanny valley idk how to feel about it

this was also kinda a mindmeld with me at the time

[Cape90]

One of us is wrong somewhere.

this doesn't feel w/w


i uh

really don't want to kill baudib if he's not here

I felt that this was maybe ?.?

[Cape90]

it rules out baudib, that's for sure!

you know, this feels really fake so idk maybe it's just cuth

I kinda TR Taffy's entrance today

[Cape90]

baud can you talk about where your head's at in the game

i feel like you were around a decent amount earlier and then tailed off and have been posting here and there but there's no meat on the bones

why do you think gemma's a wolf? who are your top town reads? what do you think about the push on you?

the main thing that made me think Cuth isn't w/w with baud was this post day 1 when i looked back

[Cuthillius]

Was thinking it wasn't Cuth for being one of the only other ppl besides dya to go after baud day 1

that was d2?

[Cuthillius]

hope that helps

[Cape90]

I could see what Visor did yesterday when he was jumping on voting Cuth day 2 as trying to distract from baudib


Tbh baudib if you aren't a wolf I'd punt cuth into the sun

So if you vote there id consider it

To me I read as this as Visor thinking Cuth isn't paired with baudib

So it mildly worries me that he's voting there today


sup

think cuths reaction at eod was bad

Vote: cuthalion

though he popped in to say this, and... I don't really get the argument here? I thought the EOD was fine... kinda panicky, eh

[Cape90]

that was d2?

Yeah I quoted the wrong thing there oops, but you were day 1 still, I thought i went all the way back to day 1 there but i didnt

[Cape90]

Votecount

Cuth(3): Visor, baudib, Jan
baudib(3): Benneh, Cape90, Cuth
Taffy(1): Gemma


https://media.tenor.com/SdfMuWchRqQAAAAM/dak-prescott-dancing.gif


EOD in 30 minutes :curtain:

I find this VC interesting

Also it ack's that i voted... i never unvoted but whatever

[Cape90]

Cape your reason for thinking Benneh shouldn't townread Cuth for having you as top town is the same as Baudib's reason for scumreading the fact that you have Cuth as top town.

"You have someone as your top town who you shouldn't reasonably be townreading" applies to Benneh and yourself equally.

Thought that this might have been just a sketchy thing to point out

[Cape90]

This is bad reasoning bc as wolf if you feel it coming that a LHF town is getting shrugyeeted D1 you stay off of that shit. It would really surprise me if both wolves were on the Pzelda wagon.



Also combine this with your SoD reads:




Why are you not pushing Cuth? baudib1

More importantly why has nobody else asked this question. We're at L-2 and nobody is paying attention to what you're doing, this is bad.

Visor I already asked yesterday but please make a case on Baudib that's more elaborate than "he's passive" and "trust me bros".

Taffy, so then do you think this in retrospect spews Cuth, or incriminates cuth?

[Cape90]

I## be honest.
I had no wolfread on baudib going into today.

I think baudibs reaction to this push today is underwhelming.
Knowing you are the likely execution should put you in a mood to fight back or just give up.
But he really does not do either.

There is no urgency which I would expect as the 2nd villa on the block after d1.

I'm conflicted on this thought because Jan wasn't on the baud vote at this time, and was on Cuth until the last second

[Cape90]

So first we're buddying up, which might be wolfy



though not really



Here I'm sus for townreading Baudib, and then you continue in the same post:



with pointing out where I have been willing to consider I might be wrong and Baudib could be a wolf. You can't have it both ways: either I am sus for townreading Baudib all game OR I am sus for considering wolf!Baudib worlds while previously townreading him, but I can't be doing both.

You seem to be intent on wolfreading me over my Baudib read no matter what it is and that's bad².

What I said about Visor/Baudib was a rebuttal of Dyachei's reasons for unpairing the two because I had a different interpretation of Baudib's posts and the value of Visor's push which is quite clear in my post. Referencing it out of context here is bad³

I started off with townleaning Baudib this game and so far I have disagreed with people's reasons for scumreading him, and I have explained why each time. I do not see how he is more passive than other players (Visor's read) or that he is constructing his reads in a way that's too rational (Dyachei's read) or that his vote for you D1 was scummy (part of Cape's read). I'm not exactly sure what Cuth is scumreading him for.

Asking the person pushing someone I think is town to better explain their read to me should not confuse you. I am trying to understand what people think and why, while at the same time communicating my own reads.

If the night kills were very much about killing the people who have suspected wolves, signs point to Taffy being wolf, as they had pointed to baud after the dyachei NK

This is the most incriminating quote I could find on that

[Cape90]

I could maybe see Cuth/Visor as more suspicious though in general

[Cape90]

DADV

it would be hilarious though if both the wolves just signaled with saying the DADV thing

[Cape90]

Yes, I am under the assumption 2 wolves > 3 wolves, mylo here would be wild

[Cuthillius]

momv

[Jan]

I'm conflicted on this thought because Jan wasn't on the baud vote at this time, and was on Cuth until the last second

Was a runaway wagon. A had planned to simply not vote at all if I could get away with it.
Then visor happened and sadness increased by 68%. (which is par for the course)

[Jan]

Yes, I am under the assumption 2 wolves > 3 wolves, mylo here would be wild

I wouldn't even humor any 3 wolf worlds. Makes no sense unless all of the living villagers have some power.

[Jan]

I could maybe see Cuth/Visor as more suspicious though in general

I don't really think visor first busses like that on d1.
Continues it on d2.

Just to turn around EoD2 for a fake rescue my partner play. Baudib was almost always dying there and he just risks all his cred by being quirky.


To me Cuth was an interesting choice because I had Visor and Baudib as likely unaligned and was not sold on baudib always being the wolf.
So getting some reactions from a cuth push was just useful and had a decent chance to be a hit.

With everyone else being busy watching handegg there was no real point to it anyway tbh.

[Totally not Taffy]

Cape90 So it's the start of D2, Baudib has just killed Dyachei, which he must have known would look bad for him. He starts solving and doesn't mention Cuth at all (and since those are "solving to town" posts that means Cuth should be in his PoE. Sort-of confirmed by his reply to Benneh's question here:



talk about cuth baud

why's he missin from your lists
Cuth could be anything. My concern with Cape was him having Cuth as his top town and Dya as a wolf.

But then later when he says he wants to push in the Pzelda voters he picks Benneh instead even though Benneh was "V with concerns". I asked him about this

I really wish we had competitive wagons instead of shrugyeeting Zelda but I guess that was inevitable.
We can probably just win the game by finding 1 villager in the Zelda voters, assuming Gemma is a villager.

This is bad reasoning bc as wolf if you feel it coming that a LHF town is getting shrugyeeted D1 you stay off of that shit. It would really surprise me if both wolves were on the Pzelda wagon.


Final D1 tally:

pzelda(4): Cuth, Cape, Benneh, Taffy
Baudib(2): VIsor, Dya
Gemma(1): Baudib

Also combine this with your SoD reads:


I don’t THINK it’s Visor now but it could be Visor.

The combinatorics with Visor as wolf go down significantly because Zelda felt like the most natural partner.

Visor/Jan not w/w
visor/Cape is unlikely
Visor/Benneh also unlikely for a couple of interactions both ways
Visor/Gemma possible

Taffy V
Cape/Benneh both V with concerns
Jan is null but I doubt he kills Dya

Why are you not pushing Cuth? baudib1

which he never directly answers, though he does come with this:


You know for some reason I thought Jan had voted for Zelda but he didn’t vote at all. It was Cuth. They both mind occupy the same area in my head - kinda null, getting townresds for ??? reasons.

His EoD voting starts with Benneh, then Visor, and it isn't until Visor calls his bluff that he actually votes Cuth:


Vote: Nebjiamin
Vote: Visor

I think my reasons for lightly clearing him off the Zelda flip were probably wrong and dumb.

I am also just not convinced his confidence in the Cape V read is real, even if I do think Cape is V way more often than not.

Tbh baudib if you aren't a wolf I'd punt cuth into the sun

So if you vote there id consider it
vote: cuth

yolo
Hmmmm

Trusting Visor probably can’t go wrong amirite

Vote: Cuthillius

Baudib also made several posts mentioning Cuth in one breath as another player which is a thing wolves like to do with partners to spew them town:


Cuth and Benneh both tried to spew me as their wolf partner. WOW!
Anyway I’ll just talk to myself as I try to figure this out and maybe come to a solve that’s correct in DVC. If this helps anyone later in the game at all it won’t be a total waste.

Jan: Can you elaborate on your read on Gemma?

Cape/Cuth: why do you V read each other so highly

Gemma: can tou explain your vote on Taffy?
Benneh/Cuth
Can you talk about your wolf game together? This is a fun post.

To be fair he does that with other ppl too though.

Anyway this is what I meant with that I thought they could be partnered, but perhaps it's too on the nose to be real.

[Totally not Taffy]

sup

think cuths reaction at eod was bad

Vote: cuthalion

Are you talking about the "town backup busdriver" joke or something else?

Also would appreciate your thoughts on the above.

Or anyone's really, but especially people who have a strong opinion on Cuth.

[Totally not Taffy]

damn its almost like i'm smart and allude to situations that would make wolves not consider me as a nk

like replying to this post !

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/782078433218789386.png?v=1


i've read your iso.

gemma's post is clean af. if you're v i can see why you'd disagree but, uh, still a clean post!

"Clean" is a waffle word that has no relevant meaning in this context. Gemma likened Jan's v read on Baudib based on two shitposts to my v read which came much later in the game, then somehow concluded I wasn't allowed to scumread Jan for possible tmi. How is that clean?

How is misunderstanding and mocking my Pzelda read clean? How is contradicting herself with "Taffy townread Baudib all game" and "here she is considering wolf!Baudib worlds" clean?

You can say she had conviction in her reads, which would be a good argument for townreading Gemma, but none of it are good reasons to wolfread me. This was Gemma's first game with me, you know me a lot better. If I am scum you should be able to make your own case, or at the very least be able to refute my rebuttals of hers.

I am not annoyed about the scumread so much Benneh as the complete lack of effort you're putting into it.

[Totally not Taffy]

you know, this feels really fake so idk maybe it's just cuth

I kinda TR Taffy's entrance today

This one was probably just a joke about the obvious Dyachei => Baudib implications I'm not sure that's AI.

But thank you Cape I think you've got good points. Which is annoying bc I'm now townreading everybody.

[Totally not Taffy]

I could see what Visor did yesterday when he was jumping on voting Cuth day 2 as trying to distract from baudib



To me I read as this as Visor thinking Cuth isn't paired with baudib

So it mildly worries me that he's voting there today



though he popped in to say this, and... I don't really get the argument here? I thought the EOD was fine... kinda panicky, eh

I read it that way too at the time, but you can also interpret it not as "if you're town then Cuth is scum" but rather "if you're town I'm willing to work with you and consider voting someone else together"

I'm hoping he'll explain the EoD thing.

[Totally not Taffy]

I find this VC interesting

Also it ack's that i voted... i never unvoted but whatever

Raskolnikov went back and edited the votecounts, it makes EoD harder to interpret. I don't think your vote was counted there originally.
Raskolnikov next time maybe have them side by side?

[Totally not Taffy]

If the night kills were very much about killing the people who have suspected wolves, signs point to Taffy being wolf, as they had pointed to baud after the dyachei NK

This is the most incriminating quote I could find on that

For me the Gemma kill is setting up for a Jan/Benneh/Visor F3 with you as tonight's NK and me/Cuth the expected vig shot depending on who dies today.

Problem is I have reasons to townread all three of them.

[nebjiamn]

sorry i went and did stuff this evening

before doing work my answer would be ignoring pr stuff for the moment visor/jan over you/cape/taffy in that order?

which is interesting

i'm surprised by your answer

what are your reasonings behind clearing jan and not clearing visor
there's just a microtell of the way visor cleared cape for some post that i feel is wolfy on balance

he called some cape post the most villagery thing ever and it doesn't register that way for me

i think he's pretty villagery still though and the wolf is in the other part of my poe

or i miscleared someone (elite logic i know)

[nebjiamn]

as for jan maybe i'm giving him too much credit actually

ill sort him out if in eed to i guss

[Visor]

Are you talking about the "town backup busdriver" joke or something else?

Also would appreciate your thoughts on the above.

Or anyone's really, but especially people who have a strong opinion on Cuth.

just overreaction to a vote that you had to realise likely meant nothing

but i might vote elsewhere, idk yet bronanas

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount


Taffy(2): Benneh, Cuth
Cuth(1): Visor

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0b/90/ce/0b90cea95956b54a20ce334469e86172.gif

EOD in 3 hours


PS: Taffy, yes I should have done that. All edited tallies just have Cape's vote on baudib added though (so u can figure out the old ones easily ;) :bow: )

[Visor]

vote cuth

thx

[Totally not Taffy]

Vote: Cuth

[Visor]

this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh


i mean or we're just off

or this is tense

but this doesn't really feel tense it just feels like people are having a hard time posting


i uh

really don't want to kill baudib if he's not here


baud can you talk about where your head's at in the game

i feel like you were around a decent amount earlier and then tailed off and have been posting here and there but there's no meat on the bones

why do you think gemma's a wolf? who are your top town reads? what do you think about the push on you?


baud's reentrance was a bit uncanny valley idk how to feel about it


why do you not seem to care about being wagoned right now


baudib only gets heat because dya and i make him a potential wagon

cuth was happy to push forward on pzelda and lock us into it

idk fellas none of this shit means anything to me

just looks like going through motions, when they couldve voted baudib even just to see what wagons would result but they were firm on pzelda and i dont even recall why beyond the obvious of which other villagers expressed reluctance but cuth never wavered

if i am wrong, cest la vie

[Cuthillius]

what up party people

[Totally not Taffy]

what up party people

we're pod racing

[Cuthillius]

visor, that's it? big shrug

i didn't like baud's posts, but i thought they weren't particularly offensive, and i didn't really resonate strongly with anything either you or dya were pushing there, nor did i really trust you specifically (because that felt like an easy place to push and if pzelda/baud were v/v objectively a great play for wolves)

i would have been fine with him dying and i did consider voting, but pzelda had actively bad posts and also wasn't playing the game at all

and this is a 10er

and baud being v would have been much worse for the game than pzelda v, which i think has been born out by the fact that we're in a pretty decent spot right now? even if nobody has seemed to give a shit most of this phase (myself included)

[Cuthillius]

i'm frankly kinda pissed about you saying you think i'm a wolf and then not posting for 24 hours

it's bad and irresponsible and wie gesagt i think we're in a fine place but not if you yeet me lol

[Cuthillius]

there's just a microtell of the way visor cleared cape for some post that i feel is wolfy on balance

he called some cape post the most villagery thing ever and it doesn't register that way for me

i think he's pretty villagery still though and the wolf is in the other part of my poe

or i miscleared someone (elite logic i know)

in what world do you think he busses baud like he did here and then expects to win in f3 after not being nked like three times (if sleep in mylo)

[nebjiamn]

in what world do you think he busses baud like he did here and then expects to win in f3 after not being nked like three times (if sleep in mylo)
in the world its not taffy or cape or you or jan i guess

[Cuthillius]

also i maintain that the tenor in thread was weird late d1 and is indicative of a wolf team that for whatever reason was sitting on their hands? i guess i haven't really reread it in the context of baud w but it felt like everyone was sitting around in a circle waiting to see what would happen but without deeply caring about what would happen

[nebjiamn]

also i maintain that the tenor in thread was weird late d1 and is indicative of a wolf team that for whatever reason was sitting on their hands? i guess i haven't really reread it in the context of baud w but it felt like everyone was sitting around in a circle waiting to see what would happen but without deeply caring about what would happen
i think mostly people aren't caring to try much itg

[Cuthillius]

For me the Gemma kill is setting up for a Jan/Benneh/Visor F3 with you as tonight's NK and me/Cuth the expected vig shot depending on who dies today.

Problem is I have reasons to townread all three of them.

taffy can you talk about why cape would be tonight's nk in your mind?

[Totally not Taffy]

Cuth if I flip town who is the scummiest person here?

[Cuthillius]

i think mostly people aren't caring to try much itg

ye but i feel like that is meaningful worldswise

[Totally not Taffy]

in the world its not taffy or cape or you or jan i guess

Why do you think you couldn't win a cross against Visor?

[Cuthillius]

Cuth if I flip town who is the scummiest person here?

i don't feel comfortable answering this question without doing more work

[Totally not Taffy]

taffy can you talk about why cape would be tonight's nk in your mind?

I don't think anyone would vote him in F3

[Cuthillius]

I don't think anyone would vote him in F3

why's that?

[Totally not Taffy]

i don't feel comfortable answering this question without doing more work

You haven't given this any thought at all today?

...I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

[Cuthillius]

You haven't given this any thought at all today?

...I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

i didn't say i haven't given it any thought, i'm just saying i don't feel like i can pick a name or if i did that that would be productive

like i said earlier, i haven't put much time into reading stuff yet and have been planning to do so later this phase

which i'm doing (at least somewhat) now

i don't plan on autopiloting this phase or to end up voting you without being able to justify it (though i might not have a choice at this point depending on how the next hour and a half goes lol)

[Totally not Taffy]

why's that?

It's probably projecting my own tr a little, but note how nobody has even considered Cape today? Unless I missed it.

[Jan]

I have returned.

It's a snow day, yes it is!

[Cuthillius]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1BgcmuUfJCtKubL0wY/giphy.gif

[Cuthillius]

I woke up at some point in the afternoon and fell asleep again. Don’t have a ton of thoughts on the game at the moment.

Visor’s read on Cape makes me blink, and Cape’s read on Cuth is also ????

That said I still lean toward Cape V.

Taffy’s my strongest V read.

this is an interesting post

[Visor]

you're not going to shame me out of my opinion lol

[Jan]

It's probably projecting my own tr a little, but note how nobody has even considered Cape today? Unless I missed it.

Visor/benneh

Cape

Cuth
Taffy

is my vague order. If you are a villager then I would look who is the wolf that would have tried to frame you and why.

I have a name in mind for that but I just hope benneh dies in the night in that world.

[Jan]

you're not going to shame me out of my opinion lol

As someone who tries to shame Visor on any given occasion - I can confirm this.

[Visor]

where yall at benneh and jan

[Cuthillius]

you're not going to shame me out of my opinion lol

i'm not trying to

[nebjiamn]

Why do you think you couldn't win a cross against Visor?
?

id crush visor in an f3

[nebjiamn]

where yall at benneh and jan
Think it’s taffy

[Totally not Taffy]

?

id crush visor in an f3



in what world do you think he busses baud like he did here and then expects to win in f3 after not being nked like three times (if sleep in mylo)
in the world its not taffy or cape or you or jan i guess

Q: "in what world does Visor expect to win an F3"
A: "if he's up against me"

...maybe I misread that?

[Jan]

where yall at benneh and jan

I think benneh and you are likely villagers but I also know benneh is not above bussing.
Just don't think that was a bus by either of you.

I don't think cape has done anything this game that rubbed me the wrong way.

[Totally not Taffy]

Think it’s taffy

Have you found a reason yet that isn't sheeping the dead lolwrong town?

Because of all people here, your read on me really should be better than this.

[nebjiamn]

Q: "in what world does Visor expect to win an F3"
A: "if he's up against me"

...maybe I misread that?
Ya you misread it and anyway it’s not relevant tbh

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount


Taffy(2): Benneh, Cuth
Cuth(2): Visor, Taffy

https://media.tenor.com/5K7XLtC9A5YAAAAM/cj-stroud-stroud.gif

EOD in 1 hour

[Cuthillius]

ok i went back and was reading d1 and early d2 and i do think it's just taffy actually

she gives baud an initial v-read for mindmelding, then does several posts where she's like explain to me how you see baud as not v pls

then sponges my pzelda vote stance thing and defaults onto there in a way that actively ignores actually considering baud but also is like hehe i might be open to it

and then sod2 comes in and is like it's gemma/jan, cases them a little bit, visor/benneh/me all voting baud in a bloc, and then is like "still not convinced on Baudib but let's cross our fingers"

which just feels icky

like she's resigned to it but also is actively pushing away from it but positioning to look like she doesn't have anything against it (and still soft defends baud in a few posts)

and then when things were dying down and getting more apathetic later in the day d2 comes back in and drops a couple walls again trying to push off baud

idk to me just feels like she started out v-reading baud and then kinda got herself stuck in a place where she was both like i guess i'd be okay with that but also was actively and consistently trying to steer things away from there and couldn't really bus in a believable way

[Jan]

Have you found a reason yet that isn't sheeping the dead lolwrong town?

Because of all people here, your read on me really should be better than this.

Your attempt to not go for baudib yesterday felt weird.

I think wolves most of the time just bus there and hope to win f3. Baudib wasn't endgaming.

Gemmas reasons are totally fine and I can see you being a wolf. I just don't know why you would play like that. Just almost always a losing play.

Does anybody here know you well enough to judge that?

[Cuthillius]

i am a bit concerned by cape's posting today specifically, but they don't seem super aligned both from their posts and baud posts about them late d1/d2

[Cuthillius]

oh also i completely don't understand taffy's worldbuilding here like it's upside down from what i'd expect but also i think it might be the only plausible way to win here? have a hard time wrapping my mind around how it's genuine otherwise

[Totally not Taffy]

ok i went back and was reading d1 and early d2 and i do think it's just taffy actually

she gives baud an initial v-read for mindmelding, then does several posts where she's like explain to me how you see baud as not v pls

then sponges my pzelda vote stance thing and defaults onto there in a way that actively ignores actually considering baud but also is like hehe i might be open to it

and then sod2 comes in and is like it's gemma/jan, cases them a little bit, visor/benneh/me all voting baud in a bloc, and then is like "still not convinced on Baudib but let's cross our fingers"

which just feels icky

like she's resigned to it but also is actively pushing away from it but positioning to look like she doesn't have anything against it (and still soft defends baud in a few posts)

and then when things were dying down and getting more apathetic later in the day d2 comes back in and drops a couple walls again trying to push off baud

idk to me just feels like she started out v-reading baud and then kinda got herself stuck in a place where she was both like i guess i'd be okay with that but also was actively and consistently trying to steer things away from there and couldn't really bus in a believable way

See, Benneh, this shouldn't be that hard.

[Cuthillius]

lol

[nebjiamn]

taffy if you want to sus me then just do it. stop dancing around it?

im not putting in busy work just because you say gemmas post wasnt good

if you arent sussing me then offer up who you think it is because i honestly have no clue what your thoughts are other than survival today

[Totally not Taffy]

Your attempt to not go for baudib yesterday felt weird.

I think wolves most of the time just bus there and hope to win f3. Baudib wasn't endgaming.

Gemmas reasons are totally fine and I can see you being a wolf. I just don't know why you would play like that. Just almost always a losing play.

Does anybody here know you well enough to judge that?

Visor, Cuth and you have never seen me wolf.
Cape plays turbos and might have seen it there but Idr exactly.
Benneh definitely has, but I can't tell you for sure he's seen the ones where I bussed my partner. They do tend to die first a lot, because I'm fairly uninfluencial as either alignment so it's not like I can do much to save them. I'd expect him to know that much.

[Totally not Taffy]

taffy if you want to sus me then just do it. stop dancing around it?

im not putting in busy work just because you say gemmas post wasnt good

if you arent sussing me then offer up who you think it is because i honestly have no clue what your thoughts are other than survival today

I would love to sus you, but I also believe that Baudib genuinely wanted you dead. I have no clue who it is, and I'm perfectly happy randing.

[Cuthillius]

I would love to sus you, but I also believe that Baudib genuinely wanted you dead. I have no clue who it is, and I'm perfectly happy randing.

that is indeed consistent with how you've played the game so far