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tx. the last line is a bit weird though. what did you like in Wisdoms posts at first?
ngl it was mostly them sussing u lmao
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 09:47
lmao
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/06/fa/3406fab901c6496e230f4fac67d13025.gif
vote: Wisdom
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 09:51
I hope we all agree this is just us teasing Wisdom for her birthday and we are going to flash lunch Visor not matter what.
i have re read the thread real quick trying to be a bit more critical of people, otherwise i feel we are not gonna get anywhere
i didnt have this impression reading in real time but looking back on wisdom post:
it's true that they are not really saying much beyond the rask wolf read and ender villa read and that makes the last comment even weirder
kinda seems like false bravado :curtain:
Didn't say I had solved the game already, but I felt like I got into a flow despite not posting much. Today I have a headache and a sore throat and people are throwing wrenches into my reads so we'll see where I end up.
I liked the RaskWazaLadd team but Hally is being dumb which makes me nervous
But sure let's say CapeEnderTaffyHallySyn are town that leaves like CuthVaimes left to solve too see if above world is wrong. Feels like I'm forgetting someone tho
Didn't say I had solved the game already, but I felt like I got into a flow despite not posting much. Today I have a headache and a sore throat and people are throwing wrenches into my reads so we'll see where I end up.
I liked the RaskWazaLadd team but Hally is being dumb which makes me nervous
But sure let's say CapeEnderTaffyHallySyn are town that leaves like CuthVaimes left to solve too see if above world is wrong. Feels like I'm forgetting someone tho
what do u like about the rask/waza/ladd team? this doesnt really align with your earlier reads
also do you think all 3 wolves would just pile on you like we did (honestly thats kinda hilarious im making a note to do it next time i rand wolf)
can you go into what about hally makes you nervous? and talk to me about visor, whats ur take there?
Oh, and Manti
Is "Von"=Vaimes?
So PoE is Ladd/Waza/Rask (all voting me lol) +Visor/Manti
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 10:01
Check timestamps for what?
Cape posts seem villagery
not sure it matters but (postcount++ ;) ) it was to see if coordination was possible. it was but still a stretchy read. (ngl I don't believe it's ww lol, I am not sure I am wolfreading any of them currently, Vaimes is a couldbe because they have been stalling a bit for a while now, and waza getting better with each post)
what do u like about the rask/waza/ladd team? this doesnt really align with your earlier reads
also do you think all 3 wolves would just pile on you like we did (honestly thats kinda hilarious im making a note to do it next time i rand wolf)
can you go into what about hally makes you nervous? and talk to me about visor, whats ur take there?
Feels like you're moving towards the same goal. I dunno, vibes. Someone brought the team up and I'm confbiasing. Usually wolf reading me is towny but Ladd's 180 on me looked forced, Rask is just fooling around and I feel like you're moving in a straight line (not sure how to word but it's wolfy).
Hally felt towny at the start but then went "this game is too easy" and "I don't remember why I town read Wisdom" which I felt were two wolfy posts. Sticking to the tr for now tho
Got nothing on Visor yet
Feels like you're moving towards the same goal. I dunno, vibes. Someone brought the team up and I'm confbiasing. Usually wolf reading me is towny but Ladd's 180 on me looked forced, Rask is just fooling around and I feel like you're moving in a straight line (not sure how to word but it's wolfy).
Hally felt towny at the start but then went "this game is too easy" and "I don't remember why I town read Wisdom" which I felt were two wolfy posts. Sticking to the tr for now tho
Got nothing on Visor yet
what...why?
what felt forced about ladds 180? why is rask fooling around AI?
how am i moving in a straight line when i just 180'd my read on u and rask?
also why is enders shitposting towny to you but not visors
hally, ladd, syn, ender, taffy pure?
I hate you
Syn why are you being so towny. Stop.
I love you
I'm sleep and energy deprived from a lot of travels the last few weeks + had my once-every-five-year big birthday party yesterday. I'm exhausted but still really hyped by this game!
A few notes in case I pass out:
- Syn town for now but we'll see, I have a bad track record on him
- Ender town, good vibes
- I can see why ladd would be town but not locking it
- Rask wolf (yes)
- Dunno about Waza, I really struggle on that one, but I get w/w vibes from his interactions with Rask, so
- Don't know about Vaimes' alignment but I really look forward to playing with him
Who needs 75 posts when you can just solve the game before hitting post min (:
ig if im being really nitpicky the sequence of these takes also feel kinda off
like the first take they give is on a slot they have a bad track record with and hedge on
which precedes their townread on their most confident townread - ender
then another hedgy, nothingburger take on ladd
which again precedes their most confident scumread
normally people tend to want to talk about their most confident townreads/scumreads first and leave the reads they are hedging on towards the end of their list
i suppose if they took these notes chronologically in the order everyone appeared in the thread then...maybe it tracks out but otherwise its pretty unusual to say the least
If you're actually town here this is a nice/sharp thought. I do think Rask is just making content for the sake of looking active here though. He'd know there's not much to make out of it and I don't see why he'd ask you about it if not for the sake of making conversation.
this also feels kinda like their placating me
theyre labelling what i said as a nice/sharp thought but i didnt really even say anything in that post, i kinda just said "lol idk" but in more words.
what...why?
what felt forced about ladds 180? why is rask fooling around AI?
how am i moving in a straight line when i just 180'd my read on u and rask?
Took me a bit to realize, but you're town ^^ Might re-evaluate the others too.
(This way of questioning is very town indicative for Waza ime)
Makes me trust the Cape tr less tbh, but I still think you're better at reading him than me
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 11:42
wolfiest post of the thread for you ^^
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 11:44
I was about to post to waza #264 is borderline confbias territory (even for me) but man #267 is rough geez
Fwiw I realized I worded it poorly but felt a need to mention I 180'd so it wouldn't be weird when I had him as lock w later
vote: ladd
I think this is a good place to start
bonjour
i'm doing a reread and taking it slow, but i will be lurk-refreshing this page every now and then
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 14:29
Here's a new post for the lurk refresher. Full of content. Like:
Cats. Cats are awesome.
I like chocolate chip cookies.
I am sure these facts will help elucidate my alignment.
(Pssst. What do you think of Visor atm.)
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 14:35
Here's a new post for the lurk refresher. Full of content. Like:
Cats. Cats are awesome.
I like chocolate chip cookies.
I am sure these facts will help elucidate my alignment.
(Pssst. What do you think of Visor atm.)
My thoughts about Visor below:
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 14:38
fun fact that may or may not be related to Visor though, I just had a very uninspiring meeting with my accounting pal. somebody kills pls
Here's a new post for the lurk refresher. Full of content. Like:
Cats. Cats are awesome.
I like chocolate chip cookies.
I am sure these facts will help elucidate my alignment.
(Pssst. What do you think of Visor atm.)
be for real for a second: in your opinion, how many posts of yours in this thread could one reasonably make an attempt to learn your alignment? asking for a friend
your reward for cooperation will be my read on visor
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 14:47
be for real for a second: in your opinion, how many posts of yours in this thread could one reasonably make an attempt to learn your alignment? asking for a friend
your reward for cooperation will be my read on visor
Zero probably. I like to joke my wolf range is yes.
Which is partially because my villager play is pretty meandering.
do you think that's an acceptable standard for being a villager?
not trying to be the fun police, but. i'd like to not ml you if it's within my power to do so, but i'm not gonna like. sit here and imagine you're town for the memes
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:02
do you think that's an acceptable standard for being a villager?
not trying to be the fun police, but. i'd like to not ml you if it's within my power to do so, but i'm not gonna like. sit here and imagine you're town for the memes
Yes. Because you can read me off my reads and how I interact with flips and wagons.
I don't really have a way to make myself town on d1 because even if I tryhard I've done that as wolf too. So really I'd rather have fun and you can work out how to read me at your own pace.
If you think everyone should be readable on d1 then I am not gonna agree with you.
oh also, my read on syn has shifted more towards something like
nobody knows what the fuck he's saying and he seems to be living in his own world, which suggests he is probably uninformed
this is not a read i will carry into day 2, because i'm not getting any sense of town motivation from him
Yes. Because you can read me off my reads and how I interact with flips and wagons.
I don't really have a way to make myself town on d1 because even if I tryhard I've done that as wolf too. So really I'd rather have fun and you can work out how to read me at your own pace.
If you think everyone should be readable on d1 then I am not gonna agree with you.
the math ain't mathing, unless you're joking. or just talking about day 1
if out of all the posts you've made so far, zero of them will help me read you, what am i to do? cross my fingers and make it a future problem? why shouldn't everyone be readable day 1? i'm not asking for "locked and never rescinding" levels of towniness from you
imo, town would have a higher success rate if they put in the work to readable day 1. it's the most important day in the game, why waste it?
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 15:14
Vaimes feels like baby me with a cooler avatar. fr (nowadays, I don't get upset about potatoes anymore, I just bake them)
thoughts about Cuth/Maple/Wisdom?
eh, i'm not gonna let a differing opinion/playstyle tilt me. i'm just curious about his approach to the game
my homesite was kiiind of anal about optimal play, so :V it was beaten into me from the get-go
i would kill all three of them (in the order of Cuth > Maple > Wisdom) and feel nothing. so far in my reread (starting page 7) they have no redeeming qualities. nothing i like or want to defend. wisdom is the most ~okay out of the three but i like her less on a second pass
i can't thank posts apparently? or at least it doesn't show up on my screen, and the button looks unclicked when i refresh
vaimes thanks the rask post
even though i'm on page 7, i highly suspect visor hasn't posted since before then and i will come away from this with 0 read on him
i remember asking him a question about a contradiction i saw and i'm betting it's still sitting there collecting dust
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 15:26
i can't thank posts apparently? or at least it doesn't show up on my screen, and the button looks unclicked when i refresh
vaimes thanks the rask post
refresh and the button migh appear.
I think Id puth Cuth a bit above the other two but for surface level notes only (they feel laid back or something) but I will reread them and Wisdom. Just did Maple and yeah plain null.
I am curious what pinged them though about waza. Maple
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:28
imo, town would have a higher success rate if they put in the work to readable day 1. it's the most important day in the game, why waste it?
If you're a good wolf, and can copy your town game near perfectly in terms of tone, how do you make yourself readable D1? If you can make yourself readable as town on D1, how do you stop yourself getting caught as wolf on D1 in games you're not town?
I am a huge huge proponent of "You can read anyone on D1". I used to spend a lot of D1 poking people and asking questions to follow their thought train.
But here's the thing. Good wolves are not going to be easy to catch with no info. Town can find each other, but in terms of "This is a post that is towny" I don't think posts that are integrally towny exist. People who I know well have absolutely called me town on D1 correctly. But it's less because I made a post that was specifically towny and more because of an interaction or a call or a read back and forth where we caught sight of how the other was reading the game and it made sense for the other person's town perspective.
Any post that inherently can help you find me town or is readable as town on D1 is replicable as wolf to fool people who think a single post or type of post makes them town.
I'd throw the question back to you:
How do town make themselves readable on D1 without doing things they can copy as wolf? What's your formula for doing so?
So let me re-phrase my response:
I am potentially readable on D1. But the moment I can point out a post to you and tell you why you should town read it is the moment I can copy that exact thing as wolf. Therefore I don't want to play into that game of "trust me bro". Because it's dumb.
This is the same route of thinking that I don't like self-defense arguments. I like talking people I sus through things, but I prefer to talk to them about OTHER slots because talking about themselves devolves into "trust me bro".
---
I'm getting lost here. Simple maths:
Everyone can be read on D1. But "making themselves more readable" intentionally can always be faked as wolf if the player is good enough, and the moment a player you're talking to can tell you why they should be townread or what posts you should townread them off it's something they can copy as wolf.
"Trust tells" are also something I hate and shouldn't exist because the whole point of the game is to try and forge information out of unsurety and the moment someone has a guarantee of alignment it mars the maths.
(Could I be more active and investigative? Sure. People would like that. I got townread a lot off that.
But I also did it as wolf and it was more effort as either alignment.)
Anyway. This is an old codger rant from someone who has been playing this silly internet game for near 2 decades.
waza is 100% town. i have no hesitations there. i don't see myself touching that read again. i will kiss him in the masonry and immediately get down on one knee
prepare the post-game egg-to-face if i'm wrong
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:31
It's also 1:30am so I apologise if that is mildly incomprehensible.
waza is 100% town. i have no hesitations there. i don't see myself touching that read again. i will kiss him in the masonry and immediately get down on one knee
prepare the post-game egg-to-face if i'm wrong
Na, I'm with you there! Probably my strongest tr atm
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:42
I can't believe people are stealing my Waza read.
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 15:43
not sure laid back is the good word for Cuth posts. just their few content posts look like self rambling, not posted to convince anyone. Somthing I like actually lol
but the timing is still weird (hally posts a tr on Cuth which prompts a question from Vaimes, which prompts a post from Cape, then Cuth pops in to suss Cape lol)
i appreciate the late-night effort
i'm on the side of reading people based on how they think, rather than any specific post. because faking posts is easy, but faking thought processes is more difficult and definitely more effort *if you're a wolf* and not for a villager, because it is by definition towny to approach the game from a town mindset. villagers don't have a choice to be organic
good wolves can get fucked over by other villagers just being themselves too organically. if too many people are 100% villagers, then you turn your attention to the 99% and under crowd, even if it's omega feelsbad killing someone who seems that towny
i wouldn't take someone's self-evaluation of their own posts as gospel, or even credible
anyway this is fun theorytalk but i get your point. i just get annoyed when someone's entire iso is shitposting. it makes me feel crazy and like i'm being asked to solve a slot blindfolded and i'm a bad player if i can't do it
i think i'm just too much of a tryhard
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 15:46
If you're a good wolf, and can copy your town game near perfectly in terms of tone, how do you make yourself readable D1? If you can make yourself readable as town on D1, how do you stop yourself getting caught as wolf on D1 in games you're not town?
I am a huge huge proponent of "You can read anyone on D1". I used to spend a lot of D1 poking people and asking questions to follow their thought train.
But here's the thing. Good wolves are not going to be easy to catch with no info. Town can find each other, but in terms of "This is a post that is towny" I don't think posts that are integrally towny exist. People who I know well have absolutely called me town on D1 correctly. But it's less because I made a post that was specifically towny and more because of an interaction or a call or a read back and forth where we caught sight of how the other was reading the game and it made sense for the other person's town perspective.
Any post that inherently can help you find me town or is readable as town on D1 is replicable as wolf to fool people who think a single post or type of post makes them town.
I'd throw the question back to you:
How do town make themselves readable on D1 without doing things they can copy as wolf? What's your formula for doing so?
So let me re-phrase my response:
I am potentially readable on D1. But the moment I can point out a post to you and tell you why you should town read it is the moment I can copy that exact thing as wolf. Therefore I don't want to play into that game of "trust me bro". Because it's dumb.
This is the same route of thinking that I don't like self-defense arguments. I like talking people I sus through things, but I prefer to talk to them about OTHER slots because talking about themselves devolves into "trust me bro".
---
I'm getting lost here. Simple maths:
Everyone can be read on D1. But "making themselves more readable" intentionally can always be faked as wolf if the player is good enough, and the moment a player you're talking to can tell you why they should be townread or what posts you should townread them off it's something they can copy as wolf.
"Trust tells" are also something I hate and shouldn't exist because the whole point of the game is to try and forge information out of unsurety and the moment someone has a guarantee of alignment it mars the maths.
(Could I be more active and investigative? Sure. People would like that. I got townread a lot off that.
But I also did it as wolf and it was more effort as either alignment.)
Anyway. This is an old codger rant from someone who has been playing this silly internet game for near 2 decades.
I will make sure to make a glorious meme out of this post. Generations of future mafia players have just been blessed.
Thank you.
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:47
i appreciate the late-night effort
i'm on the side of reading people based on how they think, rather than any specific post. because faking posts is easy, but faking thought processes is more difficult and definitely more effort *if you're a wolf* and not for a villager, because it is by definition towny to approach the game from a town mindset. villagers don't have a choice to be organic
good wolves can get fucked over by other villagers just being themselves too organically. if too many people are 100% villagers, then you turn your attention to the 99% and under crowd, even if it's omega feelsbad killing someone who seems that towny
i wouldn't take someone's self-evaluation of their own posts as gospel, or even credible
anyway this is fun theorytalk but i get your point. i just get annoyed when someone's entire iso is shitposting. it makes me feel crazy and like i'm being asked to solve a slot blindfolded and i'm a bad player if i can't do it
i think i'm just too much of a tryhard
If it helps my ISO isn't just shitposty. Most of the time it's a read/thought dressed up in shit post-y curtains. Because I'm having fun.
And you can always ask me questions. Just don't ask me to point out how I should be towny =P
About the read I expected you + hally to have when you checked in regardless of your rands lol
What’s your thoughts on the rest?
Not really have any tbh. Vaimes seems fine but he is the only person whose meta i dont know
I just wanted to get the v read on you out before it became too obvious otherwise i wouldnt even have posted :curtain:
https://media.giphy.com/media/W3a0zO282fuBpsqqyD/giphy.gif?cid=790b76119cw98u0h2uisi3fw1qjg1gnpj5lilrmzcevapgu8&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
i can do that
if you could kill someone right now whose flip would help you get a better grip on the game, and the day keeps going as normal, who would it be?
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:50
I will make sure to make a glorious meme out of this post. Generations of future mafia players have just been blessed.
Thank you.
https://y.yarn.co/aff90f44-4aa0-4c00-882b-d8423452f941_text.gif
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:51
i can do that
if you could kill someone right now whose flip would help you get a better grip on the game, and the day keeps going as normal, who would it be?
Rask.
sad
i like rask
also i'm at page 9 and taking a break
i want to kill visor so that i'm the only player with a v-start name
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 15:53
Rask.
lololol. would be hilarious if they actually have a shot :curtain:
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:53
sad
i like rask
also i'm at page 9 and taking a break
i want to kill visor so that i'm the only player with a v-start name
I think there are a lot more sus people than Rask. But Rask exists in a place where their flip would tell me a bunch about the game state.
don't clown me but i think rask being ping'd by syn's hiiiii is. not a good read but the act itself is something i have done as a villager and never thought to fake as a wolf
(i'm a bad wolf)
i think i had other things i liked about him too but i cannot be assed to towncase him at this moment
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 15:55
Anyway I'm sleep.
Visor
Maple
Cuthillius
Syn
Wisdom
-
Taffy
i would kill any of these
taffy is...she had a post that i think is a strong indicator for her being a villager but i also don't want to pin all of my hopes and dreams on one post, so. not my first priority by any stretch
feels like a snooze-inducing list but so it goes
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 15:59
I think there are a lot more sus people than Rask. But Rask exists in a place where their flip would tell me a bunch about the game state.
would prolly tell u Wisdom is a wolf :fireman:
Visor
Maple
Cuthillius
Syn
Wisdom
-
Taffy
i would kill any of these
taffy is...she had a post that i think is a strong indicator for her being a villager but i also don't want to pin all of my hopes and dreams on one post, so. not my first priority by any stretch
feels like a snooze-inducing list but so it goes
you dont seem to like meta but if it helps i think syn seems a lot more in their village meta than their wolf meta and i would be kidna surprised if they are a wolf. ender/rask can probably confirm
i would kill hally before syn just for that post about maple
taffy is a low volume player ime so dont expect a ton of activity but they are capable of posting very good and making themselves ~unlunchable
i'm willing to roll with town!syn worlds For Now
we're probably going to kill someone i don't want to kill so i'm making peace with that in advance
can't imagine how eod is gonna go with this slow-ass forum
i'm willing to roll with town!syn worlds For Now
we're probably going to kill someone i don't want to kill so i'm making peace with that in advance
can't imagine how eod is gonna go with this slow-ass forum
everyone is complaining but it works fine for me lmao
whats your read on hally?
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 16:10
don’t threaten me with a good time
this one ladd?
@rask nope, this one:
i reread maple’s posts and they kind of feel like bs to me but i’m not sure if it’s just manti-isms lol
i don’t get what this means? it feels like maybe wolfy perspective of thinking about who could be pushable instead of just… trying to solve and seeing who you actually wolf read
Maple can you unpack what you meant here?
i have a bit of trouble believing the bolded is a real thought, cause it's something really stretchy to accuse manti of (like i said why would manti openly post who could be pushable itt as a wolf)
there is the excuse that its early game in a slow game so not much to off on but it's still giving me some bad vibes
below maple post hally was talking about for ease of reference:
Vaimes, I'm curious -- you're evidently new to the org, but where have you played mafia before previously? You mentioned knowing cuth, so I'm just wondering.
I considered opening with a tunnel on waza but everyone, including ladd, thinks his opening here was at minimum *fine* so I'll just sit here and pout instead. Mm, really there's a LOT of slots here that I could see myself opening up with a tunnel on, but I'd rather meow at my boyfriend instead of getting into things this early.
not sure how I would link them yet but the bolded in wisdom post also felt weirdly aggressive compared to the rest of wisdom tone all game:
Didn't say I had solved the game already, but I felt like I got into a flow despite not posting much. Today I have a headache and a sore throat and people are throwing wrenches into my reads so we'll see where I end up.
I liked the RaskWazaLadd team but Hally is being dumb which makes me nervous
But sure let's say CapeEnderTaffyHallySyn are town that leaves like CuthVaimes left to solve too see if above world is wrong. Feels like I'm forgetting someone tho
I dont see what hally would have done to be called "being dumb"
waza 180s wisdom read:
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hally 180s wisdom read:
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ladd 180s wisdom read:
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Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 16:28
@rask nope, this one:
i have a bit of trouble believing the bolded is a real thought, cause it's something really stretchy to accuse manti of (like i said why would manti openly post who could be pushable itt as a wolf)
there is the excuse that its early game in a slow game so not much to off on but it's still giving me some bad vibes
below maple post hally was talking about for ease of reference:
not sure how I would link them yet but the bolded in wisdom post also felt weirdly aggressive compared to the rest of wisdom tone all game:
I dont see what hally would have done to be called "being dumb"
go on. it's actually hally/maple/wisdom and wisdom is being upset at hally because she felt the need to put a preemptive bus itt? smtg like that?
go on. it's actually hally/maple/wisdom and wisdom is being upset at hally because she felt the need to put a preemptive bus itt? smtg like that?
nah, that stuff ~never actually happens for real
i just think wisdom toan in that hally remark was bit off place is all for now
i reread maple’s posts and they kind of feel like bs to me but i’m not sure if it’s just manti-isms lol
i don’t get what this means? it feels like maybe wolfy perspective of thinking about who could be pushable instead of just… trying to solve and seeing who you actually wolf read
Maple can you unpack what you meant here?
amusingly, my first instinct here is to say "hally should know better than to call something like this wolfy perspective from me because i talk like that all the time", but having thought it through overnight that's pretty unfair from me.
Especially because, in hindsight, i know ive recieved questionmarks about this sort of thing pretty commonly and recently too.
so sadly ive thought my way out of making this our jumping off point, sorry.
To answer your question: you know that thing I do where I lock someone into a conversation that goes in circles for like 2 hours over something that isn't even particularly wolfy but is generally some sort of logical misstep? im talking about that, hally. i like pushing people. i like trolling people. i like getting the entire game wound up about some stupid bullshit because it makes every party involved easier to read -- and more importantly, it's a lot of fun!
So while I *do* think you're pushable off this line of inquiry, it seems like a lot of work, and with the way I -- frankly -- have not at all been villagery today, I think initiating a dome with you this early has high odds of getting me killed today.
I think what's more interesting, i suppose, is me thinking about what ladd's defense of me here means. I honestly sort of expect to be given a d1 pass by virtue of being >randv by *meta* right now. I see my name floating a bit, and its honestly a little funny that the people who know me less aren't taking that opportunity. But anyway, that's not important. I think I'm going to go back to bed now, or at least try to. I'm very eepy.....
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 16:38
:curtain:
meanwhile here is a short yet vital introduction to Shakespeare (look what u have done with ur gif wall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qNFXXvr1yE
I think there are a lot more sus people than Rask. But Rask exists in a place where their flip would tell me a bunch about the game state.
such as? you got me all interested :3
someone else had asked me a question but i forget who or what but all i remember is not really giving a shit about it and ignoring it so if i ignored your question thats probably why
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 16:49
someone else had asked me a question but i forget who or what but all i remember is not really giving a shit about it and ignoring it so if i ignored your question thats probably why
it was me but nvm, get back to me l8r or don't. emergencies always get back to you, one way or another
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 17:30
the math ain't mathing, unless you're joking. or just talking about day 1
if out of all the posts you've made so far, zero of them will help me read you, what am i to do? cross my fingers and make it a future problem? why shouldn't everyone be readable day 1? i'm not asking for "locked and never rescinding" levels of towniness from you
The thing is, one of Ender's defining traits as a player is that he's exceedingly aware of his own play and what ppl read him on and he's really good at emulating his town play as a wolf. The one thing I haven't seen him be able to copy is that, if he's the first player in a game to catch a wolf and he's sure of himself, you can tell bc his posts sound giddy and he never quite gets that when he's bussing (or pushing a town for that matter) but ofc that's not going to be useful in every game. Other than that it's really mostly about how he interacts with flips, who he pushes when etc but that usually only becomes apparent after a few flips.
Atm I'm thinking town mostly bc we've had an overnight shift in wagons where most votes are for Wisdom while Wisdom thinks Rask's the wolf and Ender says he wants to shoot Rask bc it'll help him solve Wisdom (and others, he didn't phrase it this way but that's what I'm taking from it).
I think if he was partnered with either one he'd go about it differently. If they're v/v I could see him give this answer as either alignment but I don't believe they're v/v.
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 17:31
someone else had asked me a question but i forget who or what but all i remember is not really giving a shit about it and ignoring it so if i ignored your question thats probably why
Someone asked what pinged you from Waza's SoD that nobody else was picking up on and I thought that was a good question so I'ma repeat it.
I find it odd that Wisdom basically admitted that they were relying on waza TMIing me in order to townread me.
Waza lock towning me for like one thing I did day 1 seems really strange to me tbh.
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 18:09
My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.
So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.
And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.
Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.
But they've actually both become wolfier.
Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.
Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)
Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 18:10
My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.
So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.
And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.
Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.
But they've actually both become wolfier.
Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.
Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)
Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 18:11
oh great sorry for the double post :shame:
would prolly tell u Wisdom is a wolf :fireman:
Well you've never been wrong on me before ((((:
nah, that stuff ~never actually happens for real
i just think wisdom toan in that hally remark was bit off place is all for now
I mean I probably have a fever but
She sounded so confident in her initial town read on me
I felt like we bonded
I feel betrayed
I don't have much faith that a wolf yeets today but I still think there are wolves in ladd/visor/maple
I don't have much faith that a wolf yeets today but I still think there are wolves in ladd/visor/maple
And Cuth
Ender too, maybe?
Waza
Hally
Taffy
Cape
Rask
Vaimes
Syn
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Ender
Visor/Maple/Cuth
---------
Ladd
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 18:40
My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.
So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.
And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.
Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.
But they've actually both become wolfier.
Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.
Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)
Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.
for context, my read on Syn last game was terrible (last summer game where I was 3p) so u gotta understand it is influencing and colouring my approach to his slot (something along the line "hey pal, you could be wrong, so relax and don't burry him after a ping"), and also I think he has been villagery in this game.
also, that post about flashing Visor at EOD was a joke (or not :curtain:)
tsk tsk tsk. (ngl taffy, I liked your previous input but not this one - like I am having trouble believing u couldn't parse the jokes from the actual content in my posts)
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 18:45
Well you've never been wrong on me before ((((:
lmao what is this post? I was right last game and yet u still endgame as a wolf, so I am not sure what your point is here. Are you always right? on me even? is it stopping you from outing reads on me or playing?
I like you but come on, stop this line. outright downgrading someone else play is dirty frienda. u are better than that ;)
unvote
vote: wisdom
whoever asked me about my hally read: i think she's town. gimme a sec to pull quotes
oh also, my read on syn has shifted more towards something like
nobody knows what the fuck he's saying and he seems to be living in his own world, which suggests he is probably uninformed
this is not a read i will carry into day 2, because i'm not getting any sense of town motivation from him
if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here
the economy
it's in shambles
i liked that she admitted to lurking at the start of the game, plus her later post about how she normally subs in and is feeling a bit directionless without pages of posts to go through. i understand it's not a good reason to townread someone, but i'm taking it more like a side dish rather than an entree
plus her complaining about the low activity when she could just coast
lmao
i was gonna write a post to vaimes telling him not to v read you for your post about cuth because i remember you making that sort of post as a wolf but i didn’t bother cuz we seem to agree on everything
including apparently not wanting the other to get town read so easily :curtain:
this does not strike me as something she would say if she knew our alignments
i think rask is probably a villager too
post #96 where he goes into his thoughts on waza felt like an angle a wolf wouldn’t really take and was a pretty nuanced progression of thought. and in general he feels fine imo? though i don’t have the same level of experience with him as ladd does and it feels like when we play together i’m always wolfing against him :curtain:
the only people that i haven’t felt anything villagery from are cuth/maple/ender but that feels like a really lame PoE
i don’t really feel like killing outside there rn though
curious if anyone has any reason to town read anyone in that group?
i guess
the last two lines move the needle more towards +town. i think wolf!hally just ends it with "i don't feel like killing outside this poe"
oops, hit submit by accident
was gonna say i guess if taffy doesn’t do anything else i could see myself considering dropping her down but i feel like i recall her being a low poster? so meh
potentially talking herself out of what could be an easy push? if tally is a low- but quality-poster, then i think wolves would be incentivized to push on her earlier than later
-
so overall i get underperforming villa vibes here
Vote:Visor
(This doesn’t mean I tr wisdom, im not sure what my read is on her or what she’s doing but I think I can parse her better with time, I do think ladd is town and I’m wary of the thread becoming warped around wisdom vs ladd Incase wisdom is town too . That being said some of her answers were still confusing to me yesterday so I understand why the wagon exists on top of other reasons
Ummm I think if hally is town this game will be fairly straight forward and we win this well before it gets to lylo. however I keep changing my mind on her a lot. If she’s alive in lylo make sure she is the first person to vote and do not clear her for pushing a partner endgame if she was mostly powerwolfing prior to that
Rask.
I would kill Rask even if it didn't help me get a better grip on the game
I mean I probably have a fever but
She sounded so confident in her initial town read on me
I felt like we bonded
I feel betrayed
I don't get why you are still holding onto the hally villa read but wolfreading me for doing the same thing hally did but in a much softer way imo (my v read on u was never really particuarly strong and i have explained pretty clearly my turnaround iyam)
I also think you misunderstood this hally post:
happy birthday wisdom :party2:
hope you’re enjoying the gift of a town rand
for a strong villa read on you while it was actual to be meant literally
hally's read on you wasnt really that strong to begin with:
- also liked wisdom thinking the waza/rask interaction were weird. specifically, i’m not sure why rask cared to ask waza what his thoughts on wisdom were after she had only made one post. but then i kinda got suckered by rask saying i was gonna RWSTFO lol. TBD
And Cuth
Ender too, maybe?
can u talk about your progression on ender?
My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.
So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.
I always make jokes. You will always see me making jokes more than making reads
Also I say this every game and every time I get ignored, but Rask has no godread on me. he doesn't even have a vaguely reliable read on me. This site just turbo-chops me whenever my activity dips and they happened to get lucky twice and now think I just don't post when I wolf, which isn't true. look at me now. I'm active and posting and I'm a wolf
But yes Rask is wolfy and he should be launched into the sun
if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here
the economy
it's in shambles
ok
do you want to deny that most, if not all, of the responses to your scumread of me have been some variation of "i don't understand" or "what do you mean by that"?
i'll take everything back if i've somehow just been completely making things up
I always make jokes. You will always see me making jokes more than making reads
Also I say this every game and every time I get ignored, but Rask has no godread on me. he doesn't even have a vaguely reliable read on me. This site just turbo-chops me whenever my activity dips and they happened to get lucky twice and now think I just don't post when I wolf, which isn't true. look at me now. I'm active and posting and I'm a wolf
But yes Rask is wolfy and he should be launched into the sun
https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaXVwYnZ3OTNpNzRiMHR3N2h2cWFuZ3JnNG5tYmdlMDljajdzODFiOCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjd D1n/6ra84Uso2hoir3YCgb/giphy.gif
And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.
Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.
IIRC I just said their posts are D1 Wisdom posts, which I still stand by. I've seen this approach done by them in most games regardless of alignment when they can't thread-sit and are a little run-down and SOD times suck. I don't think it's impossible they flip wolf but I wouldn't argue that they will because of their posting so far
ok
do you want to deny that most, if not all, of the responses to your scumread of me have been some variation of "i don't understand" or "what do you mean by that"?
i'll take everything back if i've somehow just been completely making things up
their responses are fine. you're specifically using it as a means to both discredit me and to allow you to circle back later to start a wagon if I happen to become inconvenient. schrodinger's read. it's both town and wolf until you've discovered an optimized use for the read (not something a villager does)
unvote: ladd
vote: vaimes
will probably switch back to ladd if wisdom is in danger near EOD. because we're wolf partners
if I had 500,000 dollars for every time a wolf said this about me, I would be a millionaire but still be unable to afford a home here
the economy
it's in shambles
One more point before I go and idk if I’ll be back because work
Someone needs to make it a priority at some point in the game to help vaimes and syn find each other (if you agree this is two towns - which I do). I think one of wolves late game wincons this game will likely be banking on Syn or vaimes misvoting each other in the latter stages so if you are both alive late game you need to be wary of that imo
that's a fair opinion
personally, i'd vig you right now if i could. in front of god and everything
but people i townread are advocating for you, so i'm letting it go, with full intention of changing my mind later based on flips/claims/reactions
really i don't have to lift a finger to discredit your read. it's a bad one, and it's clear to me that any which way i come at you will be interpreted as scummy, sooo. i'll mind my business over here
unvote: ladd
vote: vaimes
will probably switch back to ladd if wisdom is in danger near EOD. because we're wolf partners
are you being ironic lmao
you're using the exact same humor i used to "discredit" you
maybe we're just too alike
i get what you are saying about vaimes, syn. in fact i'll even say his hally villa read is weak stuff imo
but
1) i think from his energy/solving and level of comfort in the thread i just don't think he is a wolf, especially given most of the pl doesnt know him and he could have gotten away with doing way less. sometimes ww is that easy
2) he doesnt know you so I get how your posting could have that effect on someone with no previous experience
feel free to do what u want but this is my 2 cents
i probably v read you more than him now which is a funny turn of events lmao but i think its pretty likely you are both villas
One more point before I go and idk if I’ll be back because work
Someone needs to make it a priority at some point in the game to help vaimes and syn find each other (if you agree this is two towns - which I do). I think one of wolves late game wincons this game will likely be banking on Syn or vaimes misvoting each other in the latter stages so if you are both alive late game you need to be wary of that imo
waza number one advocate for couples therapy
I'm not worried about endgaming
lmao what is this post? I was right last game and yet u still endgame as a wolf, so I am not sure what your point is here. Are you always right? on me even? is it stopping you from outing reads on me or playing?
I like you but come on, stop this line. outright downgrading someone else play is dirty frienda. u are better than that ;)
Oh sorry I forgot about that last time, I was referencing the game where you tunneled v!me into oblivion, and I felt that your approach here was similar. Didn't mean to be rude!
Fwiw I think you've been towny lately
I don't get why you are still holding onto the hally villa read but wolfreading me for doing the same thing hally did but in a much softer way imo (my v read on u was never really particuarly strong and i have explained pretty clearly my turnaround iyam)
I also think you misunderstood this hally post:
for a strong villa read on you while it was actual to be meant literally
hally's read on you wasnt really that strong to begin with:
can u talk about your progression on ender?
I thought Ender had a towny vibe initially but didn't like the interaction with Vaimes. I dunno, being NAI on purpose is hard to read I guess
i get what you are saying about vaimes, syn. in fact i'll even say his hally villa read is weak stuff imo
weak input, weak output. i do not know her and her thread presence doesn't exactly knock me out of the park
how would you read her? or point to your read if i missed it
I thought Ender had a towny vibe initially but didn't like the interaction with Vaimes. I dunno, being NAI on purpose is hard to read I guess
anything in particular you didnt like?
afair they were discussing game theory, i dont think there is much more nai than that
weak input, weak output. i do not know her and her thread presence doesn't exactly knock me out of the park
how would you read her? or point to your read if i missed it
i agreed with basically everything they posted, which is worth a d1 villa read
but then they made the maple post that i did not like for reasons i explained to rask
so uh, i guess they go in the "mixed feeling" bucket for now but tbh i have a feeling they are gonnd end up being a wolf. we'll see tho
it wouldn't occur to me to dislike the maple post, because i actually agreed with her line of thought there
and she had the exact same reaction to cuth's entrance that i did, so
townlean
shrug
i'll probably pop back in before EoD but I will not be around for eod as it's 2 am
i am pretty comfortable with waza/syn/vaimes/rask/taffy/cape being villagers
it wouldn't occur to me to dislike the maple post, because i actually agreed with her line of thought there
and she had the exact same reaction to cuth's entrance that i did, so
townlean
shrug
alrighty, fair enuf
I am no wolf hally expert, I just think they remind me of myself (and also going from last game they were w on here) and i feel best way to catch them is when they over extend either to push an agenda or to go too hard on something
because thats the best way to catch me when i wolf lmao
and that maple post just really looked like that but again i dont wanna beat a dead horse, i have said my piece
i get what you are saying about vaimes, syn. in fact i'll even say his hally villa read is weak stuff imo
but
1) i think from his energy/solving and level of comfort in the thread i just don't think he is a wolf, especially given most of the pl doesnt know him and he could have gotten away with doing way less. sometimes ww is that easy
2) he doesnt know you so I get how your posting could have that effect on someone with no previous experience
feel free to do what u want but this is my 2 cents
i probably v read you more than him now which is a funny turn of events lmao but i think its pretty likely you are both villas
I'm weary of basically a specific line from a w!vaines here, but agree that this archetype of "experienced but new player" is tyyyypically >rand v. I think there's a sort of *drama* to how vaimes is posting which i can see as rubbing wolfy, but if you ignore that, the slot is basically ~fine. Pushable, yes, though if I weren't so lazy my push on vaimes would *largely* be to see how like... rask, syn, etc. react more than anything.
From here on i may disappear and not be back for eod whenever
Cant say i am particularly confident on wisdom but switching to visor/cuth/maple feels a bit lame and unpredictable without knowing what they ll post between here and eod and i dont see the need to go for hally d1
I have limited time today and I want to say I don't think it is Syn. I might just... Be wrong on Wisdom, they aren't doing a good job of maintaining their towniness in my eyes, might bus later if I'm feeling cute.
Might miss EOD but will vote before then
waza number one advocate for couples therapy
I'm not worried about endgaming
Why not?
Vote:Visor
(This doesn’t mean I tr wisdom, im not sure what my read is on her or what she’s doing but I think I can parse her better with time, I do think ladd is town and I’m wary of the thread becoming warped around wisdom vs ladd Incase wisdom is town too . That being said some of her answers were still confusing to me yesterday so I understand why the wagon exists on top of other reasons
Ummm I think if hally is town this game will be fairly straight forward and we win this well before it gets to lylo. however I keep changing my mind on her a lot. If she’s alive in lylo make sure she is the first person to vote and do not clear her for pushing a partner endgame if she was mostly powerwolfing prior to that
What do you mean by parse her better with time?
Have you not been evaluating her?
Why not?
beyond it being a week away, I just don't think I will make it that far, so a hypothetical stand-off between me and vaimes in fx might as well be fanfiction
beyond it being a week away, I just don't think I will make it that far, so a hypothetical stand-off between me and vaimes in fx might as well be fanfiction
and not even the good kind of fanfiction
not sure laid back is the good word for Cuth posts. just their few content posts look like self rambling, not posted to convince anyone. Somthing I like actually lol
but the timing is still weird (hally posts a tr on Cuth which prompts a question from Vaimes, which prompts a post from Cape, then Cuth pops in to suss Cape lol)
i never town read cuth lol
he’s still very much PoE to me
Here's a new post for the lurk refresher. Full of content. Like:
Cats. Cats are awesome.
I like chocolate chip cookies.
I am sure these facts will help elucidate my alignment.
(Pssst. What do you think of Visor atm.)
This is like, the type of question that I find a tad questionable as I don't recall Visor really doing anything super note worthy.
Reminds me of when my town team mate in a mafia team game got suspected by mafia when he kinda hardly did anything and wasn't really getting traction as a vote either...
I have seen Visor be misvoted over being underwhelming before and like... He only has 5 posts lol
amusingly, my first instinct here is to say "hally should know better than to call something like this wolfy perspective from me because i talk like that all the time", but having thought it through overnight that's pretty unfair from me.
Especially because, in hindsight, i know ive recieved questionmarks about this sort of thing pretty commonly and recently too.
so sadly ive thought my way out of making this our jumping off point, sorry.
To answer your question: you know that thing I do where I lock someone into a conversation that goes in circles for like 2 hours over something that isn't even particularly wolfy but is generally some sort of logical misstep? im talking about that, hally. i like pushing people. i like trolling people. i like getting the entire game wound up about some stupid bullshit because it makes every party involved easier to read -- and more importantly, it's a lot of fun!
So while I *do* think you're pushable off this line of inquiry, it seems like a lot of work, and with the way I -- frankly -- have not at all been villagery today, I think initiating a dome with you this early has high odds of getting me killed today.
I think what's more interesting, i suppose, is me thinking about what ladd's defense of me here means. I honestly sort of expect to be given a d1 pass by virtue of being >randv by *meta* right now. I see my name floating a bit, and its honestly a little funny that the people who know me less aren't taking that opportunity. But anyway, that's not important. I think I'm going to go back to bed now, or at least try to. I'm very eepy.....
oh okay, surprisingly i do actually know exactly what you mean lol
not that i have any intention of doming you but i think you actually have a reasonable chance to beat me, i believe in you
I think there are a lot more sus people than Rask. But Rask exists in a place where their flip would tell me a bunch about the game state.
This is extremely nonspecific and I am conflicted about asking for transparency because I can see why you would not give that in this case.
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 21:12
i think i’m most pinged by cuth’s entrance because it kinda feels like writing some words for the sake of it
but i dunno, maybe he would feel pressure to do something more out of the gate as a wolf :shrug:
you are right hally, had this post in mind. (but anyway, that post was about Cuth mainly, I was just trying to figure out why Cuth commented on Cape TRs out of anything that happened prior to it into the game).
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also, the more Syn posts he is a wolf, the more I townread him. get rekt Syn (Id kiss you for real if you are actually a wolf lol)
you are right hally, had this post in mind. (but anyway, that post was about Cuth mainly, I was just trying to figure out why Cuth commented on Cape TRs out of anything that happened prior to it into the game).
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also, the more Syn posts he is a wolf, the more I townread him. get rekt Syn (Id kiss you for real if you are actually a wolf lol)
get your lip gloss ready
deadline is in like 17 1/2 hours i prob won't be able to do another votal before then ur on your own pals
i thought that's what i was here for.
[3] wisdom - ladd, raskolnikov, vaimes
[2] ladd - visor wisdom
[2] visor - ender, waza
[1] maple - hally
[1] vaimes - syn
Vote: Totally not Taffy
Here is my lukewarm take
I will probably switch before EoD, but Taffy's wall post they posted twice I didn't really like
My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.
So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.
And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.
Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.
But they've actually both become wolfier.
Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.
Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)
Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.
i don’t really follow this post
as in, nothing you’ve said here really seems wolfy for either rask or wisdom
you’re kinda just narrating everything they’ve done and then saying it makes one of them a wolf but i don’t see why they can’t be villagers doing that stuff?
cape90 is probably a villager
im easily pocketed by ominous looking cats
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 21:19
whats your read on Ender Cape?
Like idk
It looks like Taffy is setting up narratives vs solving the game naturally to me as like a TLDR of how I feel
Anyways later
whats your read on Ender Cape?
Kind of wolfy. Could be town for being strange this game, don't really know how to take his convo with Vaimes I am gonna have to process how I feel there later but i belived what Maple said about the slot being hyper aware n stuff since I got that impression
I mean I probably have a fever but
She sounded so confident in her initial town read on me
I felt like we bonded
I feel betrayed
aw sorry :sad: i wasn’t really confident, no
tbh i haven’t been confident in anything i’ve said, i’m far too rusty and this game feels hard to parse
but fwiw, i’m back to thinking you’re probably not a wolf but everyone else seems to think you are and they know you better so i’m not sure if i’m missing something
whats your read on Ender Cape?
if youre asking me
idk
ender feels a lot different than last game, the post that stands out is the fuckoff huge paragraph about d1 wolfing and shit, ya know the whole "trust tell" thing. Posting feels generally alignment agnostic, which is apparently deliberate
if youre asking on a micro level, i think ender has posted well this game. I dont feel particularly *inspired* by the like... overall body of work, but the posts themselves make word sound good.
so basically
I could go either way :curtains: ( :curtain: ? idk the smilie selector isnt working for me)
aw sorry :sad: i wasn’t really confident, no
tbh i haven’t been confident in anything i’ve said, i’m far too rusty and this game feels hard to parse
but fwiw, i’m back to thinking you’re probably not a wolf but everyone else seems to think you are and they know you better so i’m not sure if i’m missing something
my overall thoughts on wisdom is that i recall them making a couple posts that sort of pinged me, but isnt like... blatantly *an alignment* this game. I think my perception of wisdom overall is sort of fucked up tho because last game i had with her i do recall being like "how tf is this the same person as the one who claimed 2-shot firefighter", so im basically ignoring *all* of these thoughts.
circling back around, tho, i *do* think a couple of her posts weren't great but if wisdom does go over here it's a big hwgth kill (which frankly, i dont particularly mind)
overall, im sort of annoyed this game. im not really feeling anyone or anything in particular that i want to ride with or latch onto, and even the things that seem *interesting* for me to do just aren't sparking joy. Frankly, I'm finding myself unable to gin up the enthusiasm. it'd be very convenient if i could just sheep ladd onto a wolf and act like that clears me or some shit.
and people arent even pushing me for this lacking start! so how am i supposed to properly be lazy!
anything in particular you didnt like?
afair they were discussing game theory, i dont think there is much more nai than that
i agreed with basically everything they posted, which is worth a d1 villa read
but then they made the maple post that i did not like for reasons i explained to rask
so uh, i guess they go in the "mixed feeling" bucket for now but tbh i have a feeling they are gonnd end up being a wolf. we'll see tho
@ wolves you should kill ladd tonight and then quote this post D2, i bet you can mislunch me if you try :curtain:
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 21:36
i don’t really follow this post
as in, nothing you’ve said here really seems wolfy for either rask or wisdom
you’re kinda just narrating everything they’ve done and then saying it makes one of them a wolf but i don’t see why they can’t be villagers doing that stuff?
u know I have been thinking at it for a while and I actually think taffy might be woofing lol. Because as u say it's a narrative, she even repeated my question to Maple two posts before this one saying it's actually a good one (was asking Maple what pinged them in wazas stuff early) but then comes in and postx both Wis and I are getting wolfier. It feels like she didn't even notice that question was coming from me, just elected Wis and I should be scrutinized for nuggets.
Her earlier posts are giving me pause but this one is definatly wolfy. I hope she comes back before EOD, I'd like to hear more about it smh
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 21:38
what is a firefighter?
Someone who stops fire :curtain:
(a meme since Wisdom claimed that as a wolf D1 last game - check MU wiki if u don know the role - and evaded the yeet to endgame and win. dvc went crazy lmao)
what is a firefighter?
it’s a role that protects against an arsonist but it’s also kind of a meme role
the reference is wisdom was a wolf last org game and fake claimed 2-shot firefighter and lived much longer than she should have
@ wolves you should kill ladd tonight and then quote this post D2, i bet you can mislunch me if you try :curtain:
im saving you for f3, boss :hattip:
u know I have been thinking at it for a while and I actually think taffy might be woofing lol. Because as u say it's a narrative, she even repeated my question to Maple two posts before this one saying it's actually a good one (was asking Maple what pinged them in wazas stuff early) but then comes in and postx both Wis and I are getting wolfier. It feels like she didn't even notice that question was coming from me, just elected Wis and I should be scrutinized for nuggets.
Her earlier posts are giving me pause but this one is definatly wolfy. I hope she comes back before EOD, I'd like to hear more about it smh
wrt the stuff about me, it came down to a couple things. something about waza's... gentle approach, followed by the turnaround w/ some like weirdness in the posts wrt vaimes seemed very weak and i considered digging into it to try to unearth some extra insights. Just didnt have the energy to get into it, so decided to sponge instead.
there was also just a few sorta *random* things, i felt that his handling of my slot felt sort of odd? but we've basically only played turbos together so ymmv.
so basically
I could go either way on him :3
Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him
Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v
Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out
vote: ender
:fuel:
i skimmed wisdom’s last game where she was a wolf up until i got tired of looking and she seems kinda different? her posts here seem like they have more thought behind them
and i still like her callout of rask/waza interactions seeming w/w at the start, it’s just not the kind of thing a wolf usually notices early and i had that exact thought reading their interaction too
also i don’t really get why a wolf would do something like start to wolf read waza but then heel turn to having him as her top town off one post where he asks her some questions. granted, i can’t really follow what she’s doing but it seems kinda too all over the place to be a wolf?
also maybe i’m a sucker but i actually liked her calling me dumb and saying she was sad i didn’t town read her anymore lol, maybe it’s silly but i feel like she was genuinely excited at thinking we had found each other so quickly and then got disappointed
overall her posts feel pretty normal from what i remember of her? i can’t really remember the last time we played together where i was a villager though and not sure i’ve ever seen her wolf up close, so maybe all this is in her range (it wouldn’t really surprise me)
not to uno reverse ladd but i sort of get the same “over extending” impression from his wisdom post that he says he got from my maple post lol
as in, i don’t really get why he thinks she’s a wolf from his posts towards her and it kinda feels like he’s forcing a reason to push her? but he definitely knows her better than me so maybe he sees something i don’t and i’m the dummy
ladd on the off chance you come back and wanna talk about this
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 22:11
ok well i don't have a lot to say really
hally is either like in the same space as me or a wolf but i'm leaning towards the former right now but somewhat team-dependent
i like syn more than i did a couple pages ago, though i couldn't super explain why
and i have a fairly strong v-read on vaimes atp
i don't think this is by any means out of his range, he's a good and as discussed principled player etc, but he's also like. not always the most confident? and i think this sort of approach is a lot more likely to be v from him here
ender dropping a huge wall on why he isn't a good yeet because he can post like he does as a villager as a wolf was weird and maybe a little v but mostly funny
i don't want to yeet taffy here but not because i don't think they could be a wolf i just think they're such an easy misyeet and have been before and i think can totally post themselves clear as v but then i start looking at like hally again so idk
vote: wisdom
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 22:15
for context, my read on Syn last game was terrible (last summer game where I was 3p) so u gotta understand it is influencing and colouring my approach to his slot (something along the line "hey pal, you could be wrong, so relax and don't burry him after a ping"), and also I think he has been villagery in this game.
also, that post about flashing Visor at EOD was a joke (or not :curtain:)
tsk tsk tsk. (ngl taffy, I liked your previous input but not this one - like I am having trouble believing u couldn't parse the jokes from the actual content in my posts)
Veiled threat acknowledged, but you're basing it on the wrong thing. I did get that that one post was a joke, what I missed though was that you'd changed your vote from Cuth to Wisdom before bc it was below the gif I scrolled past. I still feel like your Wisdom stance seemed to be on two tracks alternating between "she's a wolf" and "I'm not sure on this".
vote: Cuth
tx. the last line is a bit weird though. what did you like in Wisdoms posts at first?
Ask Waza why he liked Wisdom (bc of her sus on Rask, ftr, but I left that quote off)
lmao
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/06/fa/3406fab901c6496e230f4fac67d13025.gif
vote: Wisdom
Now she's a wolf, and the thought of Waza townreading her sus on you is funny
I hope we all agree this is just us teasing Wisdom for her birthday and we are going to flash lunch Visor not matter what.
This is a joke (about killing Wisdom on her birthday which I'm not sure is all that funny and might show a guilty consience about it)
wolfiest post of the thread for you ^^
Now there's a reason why she's a wolf
I was about to post to waza #264 is borderline confbias territory (even for me) but man #267 is rough geez
Waza's reasons for why she's a wolf is confbias, but your own is still valid
Vaimes feels like baby me with a cooler avatar. fr (nowadays, I don't get upset about potatoes anymore, I just bake them)
thoughts about Cuth/Maple/Wisdom?
Asking Vaimes to compare Wisdom to two ppl who have barely posted
refresh and the button migh appear.
I think Id puth Cuth a bit above the other two but for surface level notes only (they feel laid back or something) but I will reread them and Wisdom. Just did Maple and yeah plain null.
I am curious what pinged them though about waza. Maple
Vaimes thinks she's the towniest of the three names given so you're going to reread
would prolly tell u Wisdom is a wolf :fireman:
Now she's a wolf, but with a funny reference to her firefighter claim
Please appreciate how much I had to fight the forum to collect all these quotes, the multiquote function hates me. I hope you see what I meant here, it's like wolf unsure wolf unsure... thought it does look a lot more natural with the Wisdom vote. Also kudos for being the one who asked the good Maple question.
Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him
Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v
Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out
vote: ender
:fuel:
what is this post lol
1) i don’t think ender was doing a trump impression, his gimmick didn’t even sound like that to me
2) he did his gimmick for like 2 posts and stopped doing it a while ago
3) do you really think that w!ender would think to himself “i’m gonna do a trump impression for a couple of posts, this will surely get visor and rask off my trail”? cuz i don’t believe you lol
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 22:28
i don’t really follow this post
as in, nothing you’ve said here really seems wolfy for either rask or wisdom
you’re kinda just narrating everything they’ve done and then saying it makes one of them a wolf but i don’t see why they can’t be villagers doing that stuff?
They've both done a lot more than this, but these particular things they've done make me think there's a wolf between them
ok well i don't have a lot to say really
hally is either like in the same space as me or a wolf but i'm leaning towards the former right now but somewhat team-dependent
i like syn more than i did a couple pages ago, though i couldn't super explain why
and i have a fairly strong v-read on vaimes atp
i don't think this is by any means out of his range, he's a good and as discussed principled player etc, but he's also like. not always the most confident? and i think this sort of approach is a lot more likely to be v from him here
ender dropping a huge wall on why he isn't a good yeet because he can post like he does as a villager as a wolf was weird and maybe a little v but mostly funny
i don't want to yeet taffy here but not because i don't think they could be a wolf i just think they're such an easy misyeet and have been before and i think can totally post themselves clear as v but then i start looking at like hally again so idk
vote: wisdom
didn’t you town read wisdom earlier?
how do you have no comment on anything that happened with her since then and then you just naked vote her?
~:confused:
i don’t think i’ve ever seen rask wolf before but i would be fairly surprised if he wasn’t a villager atm, for whatever that’s worth
and i’m getting a bad feeling from this wisdom wagon lol
i don’t wanna hard defend her because it’s totally possible i’m wrong but she doesn’t seem wolfy enough to have this many votes
i would kill cuth or visor over her pretty comfortably, neither of them seem to care about solving at all fwict
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 22:51
i don’t think i’ve ever seen rask wolf before but i would be fairly surprised if he wasn’t a villager atm, for whatever that’s worth
and i’m getting a bad feeling from this wisdom wagon lol
i don’t wanna hard defend her because it’s totally possible i’m wrong but she doesn’t seem wolfy enough to have this many votes
i would kill cuth or visor over her pretty comfortably, neither of them seem to care about solving at all fwict
I was leery of how fast Wisdom's wagon formed too but now you and Cape both starting to push me makes me think she's just a hit
vote: Wisdom
I was leery of how fast Wisdom's wagon formed too but now you and Cape both starting to push me makes me think she's just a hit
vote: Wisdom
i’m not pushing you at all lol
i made one post saying i didn’t follow one of your posts, and now you’re quoting me saying i want to kill two people neither of whom are you
doesn't seem like I can save wisdom but I'll give it a go anyway
vote: ladd
My meta is quite easy really- If I'm top wagon d1 I'm town
Sorry for not being in a state where I can fight getting yeeted, getting shrugyeeted isn't really my standard but I guess that's where we are in this gamestate.
I don't have the capacity to case people but I'm quite confident that Waza is just town, and I'm willing to trust his Cape read. Can't bet the game on anything else, sadly. Even ladd's got a few towny posts and even though it's a waste to yeet me I'm also too much of a softheart to push Cuth/Maple/Visor when they haven't really started.
Last time I saw Visor wolf he afk'd all days and went ham during EoD to survive, just... keep that in mind.
weird game
how many votes does wisdom have now anyway? like 5?
idk who is even gonna be here from now until EoD to switch so my read might not matter anymore and i’m not sure whether i want it to
hope you guys are right lol
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:06
bit sheep bit have similar opinions of more recent posts bit poe bit scared
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 23:09
i don’t think i’ve ever seen rask wolf before but i would be fairly surprised if he wasn’t a villager atm, for whatever that’s worth
and i’m getting a bad feeling from this wisdom wagon lol
i don’t wanna hard defend her because it’s totally possible i’m wrong but she doesn’t seem wolfy enough to have this many votes
i would kill cuth or visor over her pretty comfortably, neither of them seem to care about solving at all fwict
who is (are) the wolf(ves) in it? (ngl I have mixed feeling rn so lettuce push this scenario a bit)
Ill go first. waza actually making it a wagon (2nd vote) then going out when it matters was weird but I've actually liked their posts today, especially the last ones (sort of legacy ones)
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 23:09
i’m not pushing you at all lol
i made one post saying i didn’t follow one of your posts, and now you’re quoting me saying i want to kill two people neither of whom are you
it was you saying "you're just narrating everything they've done" which reminded me of Cape saying I was creating a narrative that gave me the impression you were setting up for pivoting to me, especially with the diminutive "just" and the hyperbolic "everything"
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 23:10
Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him
Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v
Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out
vote: ender
:fuel:
You think I've had enough time over christmas and new years to give more than 0 shits about a game I'm not in?
Bruuuuv.
Vote: Visor
I don't remember if I was already voting Visor but I definitely am now.
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 23:12
such as? you got me all interested :3
It would grant me Great Wisdom.
ender dropping a huge wall on why he isn't a good yeet because he can post like he does as a villager as a wolf was weird and maybe a little v but mostly funny
~:confused: ~:confused: ~:confused: ~:confused: ~:confused:
At what point did I ever say I wasn't a good yeet from that.
Vaimes asked if I had made readable posts.
I said there wasn't a post that I thought was specifically readable.
Vaimes started talking about how "Town should make themselves readable"
I got my back up about mafia theory and how if I can point to a post that should make me town I can replicate it as wolf.
At 0 points did that conversation have anything to do with if I was good to yeet d1.
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 23:13
I forgot to use the duel emoji back at Visor. My day is ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable.
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 23:13
also Hally, you are right that post from Visor was wild, but I think he is more prone to do that as a villager than a wolf (assuming he has been lacking time lol) because of the team aspect. my 2 cents. not an hard shield, won't cry if he dies but I'd let him a bit more time to marinate.
I'm also too much of a softheart to push Cuth/Maple/Visor when they haven't really started.
it's not like they're replacements dropping in from the sky right before eod. they had literally the same amount of time as everyone else, and without an excuse for their activity, i'm going to believe that they put in exactly as much effort/content as they wanted to
you really don't have a single person as a wolfread? what about a slot whose flip would give you the most information?
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 23:16
Hally is also now my official PocketPartner(.tm) and I will call them town til death do us part.
I'm VT btw
Might be useful to know depending who's here at EoD, I won't be
i wouldn't lose any sleep over switching to visor
but i really don't like that wisdom has zero scumreads, or even suspicions
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 23:19
You think I've had enough time over christmas and new years to give more than 0 shits about a game I'm not in?
Bruuuuv.
Vote: Visor
I don't remember if I was already voting Visor but I definitely am now.
but we made MU great again!
26795
who is (are) the wolf(ves) in it? (ngl I have mixed feeling rn so lettuce push this scenario a bit)
Ill go first. waza actually making it a wagon (2nd vote) then going out when it matters was weird but I've actually liked their posts today, especially the last ones (sort of legacy ones)
i don’t know, it’s not so much the specific people on it that makes me uneasy per se
i think it’s ladd, waza, you, vaimes, cuth and taffy voting her? the person i town read least there is cuth but i’m not sure if he would hop on a town wagon as a wolf when villagers are already doing the job for him, so idk
so half the game is voting her and i think some others have said they could vote her too, including people who town read her previously but now apparently don’t think she’s villagery at all
nobody is defending her except me and syn which i think is two villagers and the game has just stalled with her as top wagon
yet her posts seem fine to me? so i don’t really get it
it's not like they're replacements dropping in from the sky right before eod. they had literally the same amount of time as everyone else, and without an excuse for their activity, i'm going to believe that they put in exactly as much effort/content as they wanted to
you really don't have a single person as a wolfread? what about a slot whose flip would give you the most information?
Sorry new friend but it takes me a bit to get proper wolf reads and I think "info yeet" is a overrated tactic. Day 1 I try to find enough town to get a solid PoE, and I currently think there's at least two wolves in <Ladd, Visor, Cuth, Maple, You> maybe swap you with Rask.
i wouldn't lose any sleep over switching to visor
but i really don't like that wisdom has zero scumreads, or even suspicions
Hopefully you'll accept it next time we play ^^
[5] wisdom - ladd, rask, vaimes, cuth, taffy
[3] visor - ender, waza, hally
[2] ladd - wisdom, syn
[1] taffy - cape
[1] ender - visor
Totally not Taffy
01-06-2025, 23:22
Now I'm kinda hoping the Visor flashwagon in honour of Wisdom's birthday that Rask predicted actually happens
but I won't be around for it bc I got up early and I have other things to do before I can go to bed
also Hally, you are right that post from Visor was wild, but I think he is more prone to do that as a villager than a wolf (assuming he has been lacking time lol) because of the team aspect. my 2 cents. not an hard shield, won't cry if he dies but I'd let him a bit more time to marinate.
i just don’t get how that’s ever a real thought though? how can he possibly think that w!ender would do a trump gimmick for 2 posts so he could pocket you and visor?
it seems like something a wolf might think is a villagery/unique angle but to a villager it makes zero sense as an actual read
new page
[4] wisdom - ladd, rask, cuth, taffy
[4] visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
[2] ladd - wisdom, syn
[1] taffy - cape
[1] ender - visor
[5] wisdom - ladd, rask, vaimes, cuth, taffy
[3] visor - ender, waza, hally
[2] ladd - wisdom, syn
[1] taffy - cape
[1] ender - visor
i thought waza was voting wisdom not visor, am i wrong?
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:27
vote: ender
that reaction to visor feels weird
now i’m getting scared cuz i don’t know if i actually feel comfortable leading a lunch on visor D1 xDDD
i thought waza was voting wisdom not visor, am i wrong?
waza voted visor in 339
i just copied the last votal gemma posted
vote: Cuthillius
wagons or something
new page
[4] wisdom - ladd, rask, cuth, taffy
[4] visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
[2] ladd - wisdom, syn
[1] taffy - cape
[1] ender - visor
my bad read for the day is that that "oh nyoooo i can't save wisdom ??????" *votes ladd* post from syn is villagery due to how silly that is at the current time and wagon formations
Vote:Visor
(This doesn’t mean I tr wisdom, im not sure what my read is on her or what she’s doing but I think I can parse her better with time, I do think ladd is town and I’m wary of the thread becoming warped around wisdom vs ladd Incase wisdom is town too . That being said some of her answers were still confusing to me yesterday so I understand why the wagon exists on top of other reasons
Ummm I think if hally is town this game will be fairly straight forward and we win this well before it gets to lylo. however I keep changing my mind on her a lot. If she’s alive in lylo make sure she is the first person to vote and do not clear her for pushing a partner endgame if she was mostly powerwolfing prior to that
oh lol, ngl i thought ender made this post and i was confused because the last line about me is nothing like what i did the last time i wolfed against ender so i didn’t get why he was telling people to watch out for this
it makes more sense that it was waza lol, a lot of these avatars look the same on mobile
though ender and waza’s don’t really look similar so i dunno what i was smoking
that was actually the post i liked best from ender iirc but it wasn’t even him :disappointed:
vote: Cuthillius
wagons or something
im surprised no one is feeling this wagon out honestly
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:38
christ not only is the org slower than that one tar experiment but my internet is also deciding to choose this moment to stage a protest
anyway for the record i don't think visor's been villagery and i don't expect wolves would be at the core of trying to vote him out if he's v here but i think they'd appreciate the opportunity and it seems a bit silly to go for here but who am i to dictate anything
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:38
oh it's fast now what
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:39
im surprised no one is feeling this wagon out honestly
not really my cup of tea bruv
vote: ender
that reaction to visor feels weird
why do you feel so dead inside cuth? i feel nothing from your posts :sad:
im surprised no one is feeling this wagon out honestly
i was considering going there but i felt like keeping visor competitive
i would lunch cuth too though :shrug:
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:42
why do you feel so dead inside cuth? i feel nothing from your posts :sad:
idk :(
combination of sometimes it be like that and right now it be also i think every time i come to try to post when it's slow i like press reply to quote a post and then it takes long enough that i go do something else and then twenty minutes later i go and i write the thing and then i press post and rinse and repeat and it means it's a lot harder to do any sort of interaction or real-timing or anything other than reading and writing really long posts and that's not what i'm interested in rn
but also i just don't know but also i'm not sweating too much over it though i probably should a little bit more if people actually think i'm seriously poe today but eh
i was considering going there but i felt like keeping visor competitive
i would lunch cuth too though :shrug:
yet fair its only a 13er
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:43
this is absolutely what a wolf would say but i don't think what i as a wolf would say but also i think it's a bit true that i have forgotten how one villages a little bit
and this crowd is a mix of people who are hard to read accurately esp d1 and people i don't really know well as players and some who are in neither category hi vaimes but it makes it a bit harder to get teeth sunk in
idk :(
combination of sometimes it be like that and right now it be also i think every time i come to try to post when it's slow i like press reply to quote a post and then it takes long enough that i go do something else and then twenty minutes later i go and i write the thing and then i press post and rinse and repeat and it means it's a lot harder to do any sort of interaction or real-timing or anything other than reading and writing really long posts and that's not what i'm interested in rn
but also i just don't know but also i'm not sweating too much over it though i probably should a little bit more if people actually think i'm seriously poe today but eh
I think if one of the major wagons collapse we're either going to consolidate on ladd (lol) or we're going to swap over to you
so i'd personally be sweating a little, yeah
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:44
the biggest thing i've been trying to figure out if it means anything is like several people have felt like they were just like oh small poe things are locked in and i think that's a super wack thing to do here
i think in another game maybe and maybe it's just people who normally play another games but still
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 23:44
look at the post Wisdom TRed waza. Like dude had plenty of posts up to that point, but it's when he directly adress her with some good inquiries (and actually the wagon is gaining thread traction) that suddenly Wisdom sees the light? that looks opportunistic as hell to me.
Like she didn't even replied to waza. Just "oh bro, but you are town lolwut"
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:45
I think if one of the major wagons collapse we're either going to consolidate on ladd (lol) or we're going to swap over to you
so i'd personally be sweating a little, yeah
i'm quaking
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 23:46
I do think ladd is a villager Maple
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:47
hally you feel more actively performative than usual and i'm thinking about how a less active game would impact that one way or another and idk
maple maybe you're just in a different era these days but idk what to do with you apart from connect you with the previous thing about being poed in weird-feeling ways
i perennially cannot read ladd but i keep reading his posts as genuine but i don't feel great about it
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 23:48
also it's not a bad read, SYn is a villager. all in on this one
also it's not a bad read, SYn is a villager. all in on this one
who are you talking to? afaict town!syn is the majority opinion
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:51
to flesh out my vaimes read after rereading sod i think he's bringing a level of sass to the table that seems pretty v-indicative to me here specifically
like in the waza dialogue initially for example
waza doesn't give the vibes of food you play with
oh just kidding i used my eyes
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 23:53
who are you talking to? afaict town!syn is the majority opinion
Maple, she posted it was maybe a bad read. I do think it's a lock it in one
look at the post Wisdom TRed waza. Like dude had plenty of posts up to that point, but it's when he directly adress her with some good inquiries (and actually the wagon is gaining thread traction) that suddenly Wisdom sees the light? that looks opportunistic as hell to me.
Like she didn't even replied to waza. Just "oh bro, but you are town lolwut"
opportunistic how though? what’s the wolf angle to suddenly pivoting to a town read on him there? i do think it’s kinda weird but it seems on brand for wisdom, no?
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:54
taffy v
towny posts + good tone, and i dont think the thought of me + vaimes being w/w ever crosses the mind of a wolf lol - very uninformed take even if they just said it in passing
i actually really agree with this read quite a bit on reflection, though i don't think it means a ton about waza
Taffy went into indirect shading mode. IDK I'm just that good at catching frozen wolf.
Taffy's recent comment on Visor makes me worried Visor/Wisdom are v/v. Well, or just that Visor is town
hally you feel more actively performative than usual and i'm thinking about how a less active game would impact that one way or another and idk
maple maybe you're just in a different era these days but idk what to do with you apart from connect you with the previous thing about being poed in weird-feeling ways
i perennially cannot read ladd but i keep reading his posts as genuine but i don't feel great about it
i don’t really know what you mean by performative but i am trying to have some fun with emotes and be more energetic cuz i feel like this game is really drab and low energy and doesn’t really have “fun” vibes
not that i think it’s unenjoyable but it does kinda feel like trudging through the mud so i am sub consciously hoping i can change the vibe i guess
[4] visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
[3] wisdom - ladd, rask, taffy
[2] ender - visor, cuth
[2] ladd - wisdom, syn
[1] taffy - cape
[1] cuth - maple
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:58
aucune idée de ce qu'était le copypasta de plus tôt, mais vous méritez un peu de style supplémentaire si vous êtes élu meilleur ami ; je ne parle évidemment pas cette langue
vote: raskolnikov
Then again Taffy might have spewed Wisdom town too with the slimy looking comment on how me and Hally started pushing them, dismissing a "omg this wagon is building up" paranoia
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 23:59
i don’t really know what you mean by performative but i am trying to have some fun with emotes and be more energetic cuz i feel like this game is really drab and low energy and doesn’t really have “fun” vibes
not that i think it’s unenjoyable but it does kinda feel like trudging through the mud so i am sub consciously hoping i can change the vibe i guess
no it's not the emojis it's like
mm
the flavor of meta-commentary seems a bit more overt?
but i could be wrong
no it's not the emojis it's like
mm
the flavor of meta-commentary seems a bit more overt?
but i could be wrong
ah alright, i don’t know what you mean by that
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 00:03
opportunistic how though? what’s the wolf angle to suddenly pivoting to a town read on him there? i do think it’s kinda weird but it seems on brand for wisdom, no?
just how I feel. I'd have replied to waza, I'd give more thoughts to a wolf read for a start etc.
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 00:04
aucune idée de ce qu'était le copypasta de plus tôt, mais vous méritez un peu de style supplémentaire si vous êtes élu meilleur ami ; je ne parle évidemment pas cette langue
vote: raskolnikov
lmao ok
i'm glad i don't have to stress out over meta. he's like this, she's different from that, actually no idk, could go either way. i'm a little dum-dum. none of you exist to me outside of this game. wisdom more helpful than visor. kill visor
important question
how do you know where your posts are at re: the postcap? it's easy for now, bc i'm new and i can see when i hit 75. but after that what, am i supposed to keep track manually
look at the post Wisdom TRed waza. Like dude had plenty of posts up to that point, but it's when he directly adress her with some good inquiries (and actually the wagon is gaining thread traction) that suddenly Wisdom sees the light? that looks opportunistic as hell to me.
Like she didn't even replied to waza. Just "oh bro, but you are town lolwut"
Yep my bad, hadn't played with Waza in a bit so forgot that I have a way of reading him that have never failed me. His barrage of questions included that
Wait I missed that time passed
I'm 35 now
Wtf how did that happen
i feel weird for defending wisdom so much cuz i don’t know if i even town read her that much lol
but hopefully my contrarianism will produce a more readable gamestate regardless of what happens
and hopefully i haven’t dug my own grave if she flips wolf :laugh4:
Cuthillius
01-07-2025, 00:12
i feel weird for defending wisdom so much cuz i don’t know if i even town read her that much lol
but hopefully my contrarianism will produce a more readable gamestate regardless of what happens
and hopefully i haven’t dug my own grave if she flips wolf :laugh4:
like this is what i mean lmao
important question
how do you know where your posts are at re: the postcap? it's easy for now, bc i'm new and i can see when i hit 75. but after that what, am i supposed to keep track manually
same way cape told you how to iso
you can see your post count in that window
Wait I missed that time passed
I'm 35 now
Wtf how did that happen
happy birthday! :party2:
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Ivavon's fear was of a literary nature. That is, it was the fear that afflicts most citizens who, one fine (or dark) day, choose to make the practice of writing, and especially the practice of fiction writing, an integral part of their lives. Fear of being no good. Also fear of being overlooked. But above all, fear of being no good. Fear that one's efforts and striving will come to nothing. Fear of the step that leaves no trace. Fear of the forces of chance and nature that wipe away shallow prints. Fear of dining alone and unnoticed. Fear of going unrecognized. Fear of failure and making a spectacle of onself. But above all, fear of being no good.
votal
4 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
3 wisdom - ladd, rask, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple
1 rask - cuth
eod 1 hr 45 min
like this is what i mean lmao
oh lol, i feel like that sort of post is more town indicative for me :shrug:
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 00:18
Yep my bad, hadn't played with Waza in a bit so forgot that I have a way of reading him that have never failed me. His barrage of questions included that
sneaky snarky shark. Happy birthday fame.
tfw you think you’re making a vanity push on visor but you didn’t realize two people were already voting him and now he’s top wagon
https://media3.giphy.com/media/A0FGCbbooHe1y/giphy.gif
i am insanely curious as to what the timezone spread of the wolfteam is
why is deadline 8pm est if it's so bad for most of you. i could certainly have been here in the middle of the night, i don't have a real job
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 00:25
i feel weird for defending wisdom so much cuz i don’t know if i even town read her that much lol
but hopefully my contrarianism will produce a more readable gamestate regardless of what happens
and hopefully i haven’t dug my own grave if she flips wolf :laugh4:
wolfy post
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 00:26
tfw you think you’re making a vanity push on visor but you didn’t realize two people were already voting him and now he’s top wagon
https://media3.giphy.com/media/A0FGCbbooHe1y/giphy.gif
I nearly bloged this post
glgl
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 00:27
i am insanely curious as to what the timezone spread of the wolfteam is
why is deadline 8pm est if it's so bad for most of you. i could certainly have been here in the middle of the night, i don't have a real job
Wisdom and I are euros, ladd is too :curtain:
nobody is defending her except me and syn which i think is two villagers and the game has just stalled with her as top wagon
yet her posts seem fine to me? so i don’t really get it
first and likely only time hally will agree with me on anything ever
framing this on my wall
look at the post Wisdom TRed waza. Like dude had plenty of posts up to that point, but it's when he directly adress her with some good inquiries (and actually the wagon is gaining thread traction) that suddenly Wisdom sees the light? that looks opportunistic as hell to me.
Like she didn't even replied to waza. Just "oh bro, but you are town lolwut"
bad post m'lord
also it's not a bad read, SYn is a villager. all in on this one
bad post m'lord x2
i humbly suggest we not chop visor (lawk clear) or wisdom (i just think they're neat)
i humbly suggest we not chop visor (lawk clear) or wisdom (i just think they're neat)
I'm in danger of dying? Lol
i humbly suggest we not chop visor (lawk clear) or wisdom (i just think they're neat)
what’s your actual thoughts on visor? (or are those your actual thoughts?)
I'm in danger of dying? Lol
you're in the lead and like half of the game is asleep and not coming back so maybe yeah probably
what’s your actual thoughts on visor? (or are those your actual thoughts?)
I don't believe the joke I made on page 1 but I do feel the wagon on him is a matter of convenience more than any actual belief something useful will happen
oh i'm super illiterate
unvote
vote: wisdom
My meta is quite easy really- If I'm top wagon d1 I'm town
Sorry for not being in a state where I can fight getting yeeted, getting shrugyeeted isn't really my standard but I guess that's where we are in this gamestate.
I don't have the capacity to case people but I'm quite confident that Waza is just town, and I'm willing to trust his Cape read. Can't bet the game on anything else, sadly. Even ladd's got a few towny posts and even though it's a waste to yeet me I'm also too much of a softheart to push Cuth/Maple/Visor when they haven't really started.
Last time I saw Visor wolf he afk'd all days and went ham during EoD to survive, just... keep that in mind.
idk what the motivation is for wisdom to not self-pres onto visor here, but having these two thoughts in the same brain is ???
not really all that ??? imo
I don't want visor chopped but it's still in the back of my mind that he once endgamed by relying on being shielded by posts like mine and iirc specifically me as well lol
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 00:55
Syn, stop tinfoiling. like come on
not really all that ??? imo
I don't want visor chopped but it's still in the back of my mind that he once endgamed by relying on being shielded by posts like mine and iirc specifically me as well lol
i'm more question marking at wisdom for choosing to roll over rather than vote him
i'm more question marking at wisdom for choosing to roll over rather than vote him
rolling over opens the door to belly pets, elite move imo
Syn, stop tinfoiling. like come on
it keeps the bad thoughts out
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:00
not really all that ??? imo
I don't want visor chopped but it's still in the back of my mind that he once endgamed by relying on being shielded by posts like mine and iirc specifically me as well lol
was it the game with baudib and ephe? I dont recall that level of slacking. It's new territory to me ngl.
i have to right-click on the thanks button and open it in a new tab for it to work
where's my phd
i'm more question marking at wisdom for choosing to roll over rather than vote him
why would she do that if she’s a wolf and he’s a villager? or do you think they’re both wolves?
important question
how do you know where your posts are at re: the postcap? it's easy for now, bc i'm new and i can see when i hit 75. but after that what, am i supposed to keep track manually
you can view postals by clicking on the total replies in the subforum. Just make a note of where you started at SoD each day and keep track of it yourself like that
Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:02
if I keep thanking Syns post, he will go away. looks like a solid strat to me. glgl
4 wisdom - ladd, raskolnikov, taffy, vaimes
3 visor - ender, waza, hally
2 raskolnikov - cuth, syn
1 ladd - wisdom
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple
56 minutes remain...
why would she do that if she’s a wolf and he’s a villager? or do you think they’re both wolves?
how dare you make me think :V
but that is a really good point. i don't know, but you're absolutely right that w!wisdom/v!visor is never the world
unvote
vote: visor
rescind my phd
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