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I also think it makes Syn very likely town. I already thought this but it reinforces it.
what
EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 22:22
i'm...pretty much in agreement with what ladd is saying tbh
maybe not the finer details but at least that the scumteam is in maple/taffy/wisdom/ender
i'm just voting ender rn because the crossvote there was so different tone-wise from all his other posts
Visor and I have dominated town in pretty much every game w/w together and the one time I died in recent history it gave no help to town and Visor won.
I mean you don't know us, which makes this take fairer.
But Visor and I first played together over a decade ago. I would be very surprised the day one of us makes such a gaffe as overt tone change like that post.
EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 22:24
what
What?
EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 22:43
I'm ngl it's actually really annoying that I was the first to push a sus on Visor and I'm now in this situation where people are voting me and putting forward me being a wolf.
Most people at the time when I first voiced it (though I was acting my bit at the time and being silly so not really trying to convince others yet) were like "Visor is fine" or "Visor is town". He was on a few POEs but no one really put any sus on him specifically
I think... Waza was the next person to voice anything on it? And that was pages after my initial sus. And then Wisdom Ruleof3's Visor a bunch but never goes there. I don't really remember anyone else following onto Visor until he made the weird-ass post on me.
Like at what point does an experienced player look at thread, see that they're voted by like 2 people(1 of which is a partner who has no reason to stick the vote there permanently) and vaguely sussed by a few others, and say "I'm gonna make a weird-ass toneswitch read on my partner, that'll do it."
EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 22:46
It would grant me Great Wisdom.
This was the post I was saying I'd read Wisdom off Rask's flip.
Which... honestly isn't actually explained here. My bad lmao
I'm ngl it's actually really annoying that I was the first to push a sus on Visor and I'm now in this situation where people are voting me and putting forward me being a wolf.
Most people at the time when I first voiced it (though I was acting my bit at the time and being silly so not really trying to convince others yet) were like "Visor is fine" or "Visor is town". He was on a few POEs but no one really put any sus on him specifically
I think... Waza was the next person to voice anything on it? And that was pages after my initial sus. And then Wisdom Ruleof3's Visor a bunch but never goes there. I don't really remember anyone else following onto Visor until he made the weird-ass post on me.
Like at what point does an experienced player look at thread, see that they're voted by like 2 people(1 of which is a partner who has no reason to stick the vote there permanently) and vaguely sussed by a few others, and say "I'm gonna make a weird-ass toneswitch read on my partner, that'll do it."
i mean, i think the reason that nobody really cares about your early wolf read on visor is that it was a gimmick post that nobody really thought was serious and you didn’t explain it at all or do anything with it
it was basically equivalent to a naked vote
maybe it seems unfair but you can’t really get annoyed at people for not putting stock into that when you intentionally post in a way that prevents people from getting anything readable out of your posts
EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 23:00
Meh. You're right. I just checked and I said "wolfiest in thread" and never explained that. I'm stop defending myself like a hypocrite and case wolf Wisdom.
What?
I don't see how my alignment relates in any way to any of those people or events
in a positive way, anyway
EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 23:04
I don't see how my alignment relates in any way to any of those people or events
in a positive way, anyway
Rask and me agreeing you're town makes me feel more confident I'm right. =P
Meh. You're right. I just checked and I said "wolfiest in thread" and never explained that. I'm stop defending myself like a hypocrite and case wolf Wisdom.
i thought you town read wisdom?
EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 23:24
i thought you town read wisdom?
?????????????
EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 23:25
Oh my D1 read. Yeah Rask and Cuth being removed plus rereading Wisdom's ISO made me change my mind since D2 start.
basically what hally said. calling that vote on visor a "push" is excessively generous
you sussed him so hard, you voted twice, even
i'd rather watch you cook up now :V
bitchy sidenote, but the "hi hello it's shitposting central" to "nobody takes my reads seriously!" merry-go-round never stops spinning
i’m fine with wisdom dying if she doesn’t pick up her posting before EoD
would be an informative flip and waza/rask both sus’d her
prob a flip that needs to happen at this rate
i’m fine with wisdom dying if she doesn’t pick up her posting before EoD
would be an informative flip and waza/rask both sus’d her
prob a flip that needs to happen at this rate
If Wisdom is v, what is so Informative about it?
If Wisdom is v, what is so Informative about it?
Hally, you are saying this, but you are also telling me that this is a really easy thread state to wolf in.
You seem to largely agree with Wisdom in their defense of Taffy against me, do you have a read on what that means?
If Wisdom is v, what is so Informative about it?
well as i explained above, it would make ladd more likely a wolf imo
and it would tell we had w/v wagons so we have some basis for analyzing who ended up where
Hally, you are saying this, but you are also telling me that this is a really easy thread state to wolf in.
You seem to largely agree with Wisdom in their defense of Taffy against me, do you have a read on what that means?
i don’t understand either of these things
it is an easy threadstate to wolf in, i’m doing it right now (no but fr, i don’t get the contradiction you seem to be pointing out)
and i don’t get what you’re asking re: taffy
Also if Taffy is wolf, me and Wisdom are masons and gonna curbstomp the last mafia
i don’t understand either of these things
it is an easy threadstate to wolf in, i’m doing it right now (no but fr, i don’t get the contradiction you seem to be pointing out)
and i don’t get what you’re asking re: taffy
You gone on about how it's really easy to just SBPC in this thread state and yet I feel like Wisdom is a bit of a lower hanging fruit push then Taffy just because of how consensus it is.
I am asking you because both of you have spoke out in defense of Taffy, if you assume defending Taffy is a villagery thing to do, which if you are town, I would assume you think that's a pro town move. I am under the assumption that Wisdom's read on Taffy being similar to yours would look like a good look to you.
I don't know how much sense I am making because I'm kinda distracted lol
EnderWiggin
01-09-2025, 00:04
basically what hally said. calling that vote on visor a "push" is excessively generous
you sussed him so hard, you voted twice, even
i'd rather watch you cook up now :V
bitchy sidenote, but the "hi hello it's shitposting central" to "nobody takes my reads seriously!" merry-go-round never stops spinning
It's never "No one takes my read seriously". It's just being sussed after being first onto a wolf wagon feels bad. Much more about how it was towny of me rather than caring about how others took the read.
I didn't care even now that no one jumped onto or evaluated my read. Especially after rereading it and seeing I only posted one line on it and that was in my shitposty era.
You gone on about how it's really easy to just SBPC in this thread state and yet I feel like Wisdom is a bit of a lower hanging fruit push then Taffy just because of how consensus it is.
i still don’t get the contradiction, wisdom being a lhf consensus push reinforces my point
if ladd is a wolf in this gamestate, he can coast on pushing wisdom who is hardly posting and he barely has to do anything to lunch her
it’s super easy lol, nobody is really doing anything so the bar wolves have to clear to get by is super low
I am asking you because both of you have spoke out in defense of Taffy, if you assume defending Taffy is a villagery thing to do, which if you are town, I would assume you think that's a pro town move. I am under the assumption that Wisdom's read on Taffy being similar to yours would look like a good look to you.
I don't know how much sense I am making because I'm kinda distracted lol
it’s a fine look but wolves defend lhf villas all the time and it’s not like taffy is competing with wisdom for the lunch, nobody really wants to go taffy today except you afaict
2 wisdom - ender, ladd
2 taffy - cape, syn
1 maple - wisdom
1 ladd - hally
1 ender - vaimes
we're all gonna wait until eod to frantically start screaming opinions at each other huh
unvote
vote: wisdom
my hypothesis is that there were 0-1 active wolves at eod bc i think they could've gotten away with flashwagon shenanigans
granted, they were probably fully willing to let visor kick the bucket even if both were around, but i have a hard time accepting any scumteam would play like that when there are other options
i miss waza and rask :sad:
unvote
vote: wisdom
my hypothesis is that there were 0-1 active wolves at eod bc i think they could've gotten away with flashwagon shenanigans
granted, they were probably fully willing to let visor kick the bucket even if both were around, but i have a hard time accepting any scumteam would play like that when there are other options
I wasnt around at eod but my impression from reading back is that no sane wolf team would have flashwagoned away from visor
Until :45 with votes being 4-3 they could have gotten maybe wisdom lunched in the world they are a villager (assuming visor was around to snipe) but once rask made it5-2 it was all over
What were the other options for the wolfteam iyo?
i’m fine with wisdom dying if she doesn’t pick up her posting before EoD
would be an informative flip and waza/rask both sus’d her
prob a flip that needs to happen at this rate
Hmm
Maybe I've played too much IRL mafia lately
Because I read thread and I nod along but I don't really feel a need to post a ton? At this game state I won't change people's minds, the best thing I've got going is my treatment of Visor but if people still sus me I dunno what could change their minds.
Like, I think the game is solved.
Cape town Cuth town or exactly w/w with ladd
I think Vaimes treatment of both me and Visor is clearing for him
Syn oozes town imo. Don't know how to descibe it but I really can’t find anything off there. He's the most team player I've ever seen him, and compared to our last game where he was really unmotivated and antagonistic I can't see him be fakey here, I think he's just having fun.
Hally's posting is strong and it's easy to follow their reasoning and I think they pretty much always makes sense, it's their posts I read with the most attention to try to challenge my own reads.
Ender is hard to read imo but I think there's a genuine wim of solvyness in his posts. I liked his "Why would I treat Visor like this as wolf" and "Btw this was my previous mindset" posts, but if I'm wrong on the people below I'd say it's Ender.
Taffy has good points although I vibed with the narrowed focus argument.
Ladd is ladding. I think his treatment of me is off, I'm not used to see him this shrugging and I can easily see that be a wolf thing. My only point of doubt is that Cape is town reading him.
Maple is mostly just there. I found one post towny early d1 and then it's like he forgot to bring his soul to thread, similar to how Visor was. And he's in everyone's PoE despite not really being properly pushed, which in my book is usually wolf indicative (compare to me who's in everyone’s PoE but also always on the chopping block).
So, I'm not really worried, I think we got this even if you yeet me. I guess if Cape turns out to be a wolf we lose but I'm really not there atm.
Also, informative flips is a crap argument to yeet someone. Yeet wolves. If you yeet me, do so because you're confident I'm a wolf, don't hind behind "it's informative". Case why I'm a wolf so you'll risk to look bad when I'm flipped.
We win by killing wolves, not by killing townies for information.
I wasnt around at eod but my impression from reading back is that no sane wolf team would have flashwagoned away from visor
Until :45 with votes being 4-3 they could have gotten maybe wisdom lunched in the world they are a villager (assuming visor was around to snipe) but once rask made it5-2 it was all over
What were the other options for the wolfteam iyo?
i don't see why not? off the top of my head, i know hally, ender, cuth, and maple were all interested in a last-minute counterwagon. which is why i think there was either one wolf or no wolves at the time - if one was there, they didn't feel confident trying to make waves
i suppose the site's varied loading times also acted as a deterrant to any last-minute shenanigans, which is only slightly countered by the fact that we don't need a majority to eliminate someone
why didn't they at least have visor's vote on wisdom to potentially tie it?
Also, informative flips is a crap argument to yeet someone. Yeet wolves. If you yeet me, do so because you're confident I'm a wolf, don't hind behind "it's informative". Case why I'm a wolf so you'll risk to look bad when I'm flipped.
We win by killing wolves, not by killing townies for information.
ok
in your opinion, if you're a villager, why wouldn't wolves try to kill you at eod1? sacrificing visor to get you killed the next day seems convoluted, no?
flavor
“I don’t understand a word you’ve said,” said Norton.
“Really I’ve just been talking nonsense,” said Amalfitano.
votal
3 wisdom - ender, ladd, vaimes
2 taffy - cape, syn
1 maple - wisdom
1 ladd - hally
1 ender - vaimes
i would say my major reasons for wanting to kill you are
1) you were a cw to a wolf, in a gamestate where i believe it would've been easy enough to shift towards killing you, with how much hand-wringing other players were doing over their visor votes. especially when wolves had a role that controlled tied wagons, and you weren't actually present at eod
2) your engagement with the game is detached enough that i have a hard time "getting there" on you, and it feels like townreading you would be more of a leap of faith than a genuine belief
3) because of your detachment, other people who are more invested in the game (but could be wolves) look a lot townier
ok
in your opinion, if you're a villager, why wouldn't wolves try to kill you at eod1? sacrificing visor to get you killed the next day seems convoluted, no?
I'd say the most likely reason would be for Visor to have asked to be yeeted. Other possibilities could be that Visor was a town controlled wagon and there was no hope in changing, or that they didn't want to risk to spew me town. I think Visor just said "can't play, kill me" tho.
i would say my major reasons for wanting to kill you are
1) you were a cw to a wolf, in a gamestate where i believe it would've been easy enough to shift towards killing you, with how much hand-wringing other players were doing over their visor votes. especially when wolves had a role that controlled tied wagons, and you weren't actually present at eod
2) your engagement with the game is detached enough that i have a hard time "getting there" on you, and it feels like townreading you would be more of a leap of faith than a genuine belief
3) because of your detachment, other people who are more invested in the game (but could be wolves) look a lot townier
3 is a good point, my bad!
Who is my possible wolf mate and why? I'd say there are exactly 1 more wolf outside of me so I'm guessing there are a few options.
If your only answer is Maple I'd say go Maple instead :3
My point is - what's your reads outside of the Wisdom tunnel?
EnderWiggin
01-09-2025, 15:30
Didn't say I had solved the game already, but I felt like I got into a flow despite not posting much. Today I have a headache and a sore throat and people are throwing wrenches into my reads so we'll see where I end up.
I liked the RaskWazaLadd team but Hally is being dumb which makes me nervous
But sure let's say CapeEnderTaffyHallySyn are town that leaves like CuthVaimes left to solve too see if above world is wrong. Feels like I'm forgetting someone tho
Visor
He exists
Oh, and Manti
Is "Von"=Vaimes?
So PoE is Ladd/Waza/Rask (all voting me lol) +Visor/Manti
Feels like you're moving towards the same goal. I dunno, vibes. Someone brought the team up and I'm confbiasing. Usually wolf reading me is towny but Ladd's 180 on me looked forced, Rask is just fooling around and I feel like you're moving in a straight line (not sure how to word but it's wolfy).
Hally felt towny at the start but then went "this game is too easy" and "I don't remember why I town read Wisdom" which I felt were two wolfy posts. Sticking to the tr for now tho
Got nothing on Visor yet
I don't have much faith that a wolf yeets today but I still think there are wolves in ladd/visor/maple
My meta is quite easy really- If I'm top wagon d1 I'm town
Sorry for not being in a state where I can fight getting yeeted, getting shrugyeeted isn't really my standard but I guess that's where we are in this gamestate.
I don't have the capacity to case people but I'm quite confident that Waza is just town, and I'm willing to trust his Cape read. Can't bet the game on anything else, sadly. Even ladd's got a few towny posts and even though it's a waste to yeet me I'm also too much of a softheart to push Cuth/Maple/Visor when they haven't really started.
Last time I saw Visor wolf he afk'd all days and went ham during EoD to survive, just... keep that in mind.
Wisdom's mentions of Visor before EOD.
The forgetting Visor is unironically a tell I used to look for because wolves would rarely forget to actually out a read on their partner.
I just feel the acknowledgement of Visor being possibly sus, including them in POE, then no self pres vote is the main issue. As well as Rask's strong wolfread there.
Also like:
POGGERS
RASK YOU GREAT CUTE LITTLE BAGUETTE
This daystart?
The overwhelming excitement over Rask desperadoing Cuth is... definitely over-excited for what I would expect. The biggest person pushing you killing themselves to town-prove someone who hasn't sussed you really though seems much more exciting.
Also personal but:
That's great, I needed that <3
I feel like this is Visor's most spewing post but I can't really get anything out of it. I don't think Visor was feeling that he'd be the yeet yet so he wouldn't have needed to distance? But then again he did nothing with this push.
I dunno I'm just rambling
This shade on me while also hedging on actually sussing me is ~iffy.
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Now while I was gathering these quotes I did notice something else which I'm just gonna collect quotes and see if I like it as much as I think. So brb.
3 is a good point, my bad!
Who is my possible wolf mate and why? I'd say there are exactly 1 more wolf outside of me so I'm guessing there are a few options.
If your only answer is Maple I'd say go Maple instead :3
My point is - what's your reads outside of the Wisdom tunnel?
this is a tunnel? that's news to me. i think for a read to be a tunnel, i would have to talk about nobody else (which i have) and be unwilling to compromise on my position (which i'm not)
cuth is clear (~*allegedly*~)
hally and cape are my strongest townreads
syn is apparently suuuper town, which. i'm morbidly curious what he plays like when he's scummy
i don't super get the ladd sus, i had him on the same level as rask before he flipped
i'm probably going to kill ender at some point because i have a pea brain
taffy and maple kind of just exist. with their words-to-impressions ratio, i wouldn't be shocked if there was a wolf there
EnderWiggin
01-09-2025, 15:40
I think Vaimes' latest 2 posts just make them town.
I kind of squint at #28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861573&viewfull=1#post2053861573) but otherwise I townread waza. I do not know whether waza calling me obv v comes from his comment earlier #18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861563&viewfull=1#post2053861563) or like one of the 2 things (or both) I have said since then. I keep getting a nudging feeling that waza's posts are strange despite my TR there. Just feels a bit clumsy (on top of the other thing I already said).
I townread waza because of said clumsiness though and I feel like the ladd thought is natural and he wouldn't play around Vaimes the way he is if he were wolf IMO.
Kinda like ladd's latest post.
I do not have any read on Ender/Syn/Visor right now. Only thing I can say about any of those slots is Syn's posting seems like Syn meta wise.
Cape's first mention of Visor. Not overly committing to much. Rule of 3.
This is like, the type of question that I find a tad questionable as I don't recall Visor really doing anything super note worthy.
Reminds me of when my town team mate in a mafia team game got suspected by mafia when he kinda hardly did anything and wasn't really getting traction as a vote either...
I have seen Visor be misvoted over being underwhelming before and like... He only has 5 posts lol
Shading people (Me/Waza?) for asking other people their takes on Visor. Makes a reference implying Visor town, but doesn't townread him.
Taffy went into indirect shading mode. IDK I'm just that good at catching frozen wolf.
Taffy's recent comment on Visor makes me worried Visor/Wisdom are v/v. Well, or just that Visor is town
"Oh no this person I sus made a comment and therefore I'm worried that Visor (and Wisdom maybe, but mostly Visor) is town!"
Wow nobody listened to me what a surprise
Welp I guess I just sit here and hope I am wrong in my Taffy logic.
Might vote Visor for the simple reason stated by Vaimes earlier, even if it is a doomerish look on Visor
And just the tone of this post. The reluctant voting of Visor is described as not wanting Wisdom to go over but it wasn't even that close anymore. (This might be a bit judgey idk)
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I'm not a great Cape Reader on the average, though, so I'm going to poke at this a little bit more. The shade on the Visor wagon and the subtle defense without ever actually committing to a defense tho was what pinged me while I was reading for Wisdom quotes.
EnderWiggin
01-09-2025, 15:42
this is a tunnel? that's news to me. i think for a read to be a tunnel, i would have to talk about nobody else (which i have) and be unwilling to compromise on my position (which i'm not)
cuth is clear (~*allegedly*~)
hally and cape are my strongest townreads
syn is apparently suuuper town, which. i'm morbidly curious what he plays like when he's scummy
i don't super get the ladd sus, i had him on the same level as rask before he flipped
i'm probably going to kill ender at some point because i have a pea brain
taffy and maple kind of just exist. with their words-to-impressions ratio, i wouldn't be shocked if there was a wolf there
:curtain:
Didn't say I had solved the game already, but I felt like I got into a flow despite not posting much. Today I have a headache and a sore throat and people are throwing wrenches into my reads so we'll see where I end up.
I liked the RaskWazaLadd team but Hally is being dumb which makes me nervous
But sure let's say CapeEnderTaffyHallySyn are town that leaves like CuthVaimes left to solve too see if above world is wrong. Feels like I'm forgetting someone tho
this post did not age well :skull:
Cape's first mention of Visor. Not overly committing to much. Rule of 3.
Shading people (Me/Waza?) for asking other people their takes on Visor. Makes a reference implying Visor town, but doesn't townread him.
"Oh no this person I sus made a comment and therefore I'm worried that Visor (and Wisdom maybe, but mostly Visor) is town!"
And just the tone of this post. The reluctant voting of Visor is described as not wanting Wisdom to go over but it wasn't even that close anymore. (This might be a bit judgey idk)
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I'm not a great Cape Reader on the average, though, so I'm going to poke at this a little bit more. The shade on the Visor wagon and the subtle defense without ever actually committing to a defense tho was what pinged me while I was reading for Wisdom quotes.
i do agree with this, as much as i'd like to turn a blind eye to it bc i've liked the majority of cape's posts
sigh
I just feel the acknowledgement of Visor being possibly sus, including them in POE, then no self pres vote is the main issue. As well as Rask's strong wolfread there.
yes this thank you
i could understand if wisdom didn't feel like voting a hard-null read, but she went out of her way to highlight that he was in her poe AND that him being afk is something he's done as a wolf
i have questions about maple
why did they talk a big game about liking to tunnel people ~for content~ but has literally not pushed a single slot in this game
why did they vote cuth for no reason and then make a tiny bit of noise about no one else wanting to join that wagon
why were they complaining about a lack of cw without actually pushing anything for the entire dayphase
why was maple openly rolehunting
somebody who's taken intro to maple 101, please explain
if these are unfair takes, i'm happy to be corrected
Hmm
Maybe I've played too much IRL mafia lately
Because I read thread and I nod along but I don't really feel a need to post a ton? At this game state I won't change people's minds, the best thing I've got going is my treatment of Visor but if people still sus me I dunno what could change their minds.
Like, I think the game is solved.
Cape town Cuth town or exactly w/w with ladd
I think Vaimes treatment of both me and Visor is clearing for him
Syn oozes town imo. Don't know how to descibe it but I really can’t find anything off there. He's the most team player I've ever seen him, and compared to our last game where he was really unmotivated and antagonistic I can't see him be fakey here, I think he's just having fun.
Hally's posting is strong and it's easy to follow their reasoning and I think they pretty much always makes sense, it's their posts I read with the most attention to try to challenge my own reads.
Ender is hard to read imo but I think there's a genuine wim of solvyness in his posts. I liked his "Why would I treat Visor like this as wolf" and "Btw this was my previous mindset" posts, but if I'm wrong on the people below I'd say it's Ender.
Taffy has good points although I vibed with the narrowed focus argument.
Ladd is ladding. I think his treatment of me is off, I'm not used to see him this shrugging and I can easily see that be a wolf thing. My only point of doubt is that Cape is town reading him.
Maple is mostly just there. I found one post towny early d1 and then it's like he forgot to bring his soul to thread, similar to how Visor was. And he's in everyone's PoE despite not really being properly pushed, which in my book is usually wolf indicative (compare to me who's in everyone’s PoE but also always on the chopping block).
So, I'm not really worried, I think we got this even if you yeet me. I guess if Cape turns out to be a wolf we lose but I'm really not there atm.
what about your treatment of visor do you think people should be town reading?
honestly wouldn’t even be thaaaat surprised if cape is owning everyone, but we’re never getting there if so lol
ok
in your opinion, if you're a villager, why wouldn't wolves try to kill you at eod1? sacrificing visor to get you killed the next day seems convoluted, no?
would caution against making reads like this tbh
wolves could just be disorganized or not around or think people wouldn’t wanna switch to wisdom or think it’s better to just bus
if you wanna vote wisdom do it because you think her posts are wolfy, all this other stuff about wagons could mean anything
Cape's first mention of Visor. Not overly committing to much. Rule of 3.
Shading people (Me/Waza?) for asking other people their takes on Visor. Makes a reference implying Visor town, but doesn't townread him.
"Oh no this person I sus made a comment and therefore I'm worried that Visor (and Wisdom maybe, but mostly Visor) is town!"
And just the tone of this post. The reluctant voting of Visor is described as not wanting Wisdom to go over but it wasn't even that close anymore. (This might be a bit judgey idk)
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I'm not a great Cape Reader on the average, though, so I'm going to poke at this a little bit more. The shade on the Visor wagon and the subtle defense without ever actually committing to a defense tho was what pinged me while I was reading for Wisdom quotes.
You missed a part of my Visor read where I said that one post people were townreading Visor for I didn't find towny.
It was hard to have a confident read on Visor when he was just there.
When I got to my Taffy read I started getting confbiased into thinking that Taffy's last post of day 1 spewed Visor as town if Taffy is wolf. BUT after looking back I think Wisdom was way more spewed there.
Yeah I said it pretty late as I spent like 20 or so minutes looking at Wisdom's logs. I would have said what I said whether Wisdom was top wagon or not, in this case... They were not
Like IMO, it was pure luck that Visor was mafia there, because it was rand otherwise
maybe i’m just a hater but i don’t really find anything vaimes or ender have been posting on this page convincing
the wisdom stuff is whatever and the cape/visor stuff doesn’t really move me at all
feels like people are grasping at straws because nobody is giving much to work with :shrug:
but i don’t wanna poopoo actual work happening so carry on
i have questions about maple
why did they talk a big game about liking to tunnel people ~for content~ but has literally not pushed a single slot in this game
why did they vote cuth for no reason and then make a tiny bit of noise about no one else wanting to join that wagon
why were they complaining about a lack of cw without actually pushing anything for the entire dayphase
why was maple openly rolehunting
somebody who's taken intro to maple 101, please explain
if these are unfair takes, i'm happy to be corrected
welcome to the manti experience
we’re 99% gonna lunch manti in the next couple of days unless something radically changes and she will flip an alignment
what about your treatment of visor do you think people should be town reading?
honestly wouldn’t even be thaaaat surprised if cape is owning everyone, but we’re never getting there if so lol
I think me going soft AtE and say "don't let Visor get away with what he does best" is clearing for me, I've pretty much stopped bussing/distancing d1 and that's not how I'd approach it if I wanted my spew to look good (I sincerely expected to die when I went to bed, that should be obvious regardless of my alignment)
On another note I might be healthy enough to go back to work tomorrow and I'm finally back at top 70 in New Pokémon Snap (trying to catch the nice spot above me is harder than I expected tho)
manti’s poem seems like something that would be one of many abilities in a wolf role as opposed to a standalone town role
but what do i know
3 is a good point, my bad!
Who is my possible wolf mate and why? I'd say there are exactly 1 more wolf outside of me so I'm guessing there are a few options.
If your only answer is Maple I'd say go Maple instead :3
My point is - what's your reads outside of the Wisdom tunnel?
I'm actually so lock clear if you're a wolf
but us being w/w/w would be SO funny with that eod1d
manti’s poem seems like something that would be one of many abilities in a wolf role as opposed to a standalone town role
but what do i know
indeed!
tfw cuth gets cleared and never posts again
welcome to the manti experience
we’re 99% gonna lunch manti in the next couple of days unless something radically changes and she will flip an alignment
my lot in life is doming someone d4 and either dying or living then dying in f3
so it goes
anyway, i was REALLY hoping we could use the wolves to resolve ladd tonight, but im pretty confident that ship's sailed
alas
im mildly concerned that we have like some pretty jarring differences in our povs, hally, and i suppose the greater concern is that one of us might be wrong and fuck things up later, ya know?
i agree with you that vaimes hasnt had ~much this d2, tho this d2 has been a bit of a wash (im pretty sure we're just gonna get taffy/wisdom wagons at EoD, and one of them are gonna go over, and then we'll wagon the survivor against me or ladd or *someone* who makes weird posts between then and now against the survivor)
but anyway
things feel railed, is what im saying
and to be clear, i believe my fullclaim buys me a day so im not currently fussed. wolves either kill me or they dont, idrc
but that's besides the point
i think the absolute funniest world *is* the one where cuth/ladd are w/w and just made the entire thing up, like that would go SO hard
but i really *was* hoping we could leash the kp onto ladd; dude's presumably claimed vanilla in the chat, and if he's VT we just get the wolves to clear him tn since there's like... a LOT of sus around the slot. i think that's more correct to do than go for the kill cause i dont *think* anyone intends on killing him here today, no?
nbd overall, we're fine
anyway, i was REALLY hoping we could use the wolves to resolve ladd tonight, but im pretty confident that ship's sailed
alas
im mildly concerned that we have like some pretty jarring differences in our povs, hally, and i suppose the greater concern is that one of us might be wrong and fuck things up later, ya know?
i agree with you that vaimes hasnt had ~much this d2, tho this d2 has been a bit of a wash (im pretty sure we're just gonna get taffy/wisdom wagons at EoD, and one of them are gonna go over, and then we'll wagon the survivor against me or ladd or *someone* who makes weird posts between then and now against the survivor)
but anyway
things feel railed, is what im saying
and to be clear, i believe my fullclaim buys me a day so im not currently fussed. wolves either kill me or they dont, idrc
but that's besides the point
i think the absolute funniest world *is* the one where cuth/ladd are w/w and just made the entire thing up, like that would go SO hard
but i really *was* hoping we could leash the kp onto ladd; dude's presumably claimed vanilla in the chat, and if he's VT we just get the wolves to clear him tn since there's like... a LOT of sus around the slot. i think that's more correct to do than go for the kill cause i dont *think* anyone intends on killing him here today, no?
nbd overall, we're fine
i honestly don’t get why you thought at any point today that ladd would get killed tonight
i’m obviously dying tonight assuming wolves don’t kill cuth, which… why would they lol
well, maybe ladd could die if wisdom flips wolf
or cape could die if we lunch taffy and she flips wolf, but we’re clearly lunching wisdom today
Sorry, had a tough day
Will try to be around in like 2-3 hours
Sorry, had a tough day
Will try to be around in like 2-3 hours
nw, hope everything’s alright
both taffy and maple have gone out of their way today to ponder ladd's assumed role claim in the neighbourhood chat
why is this
I don't feel inspired by a wisdom chop but I didn't feel inspired by a visor chop either so idk. go, my scarab, I guess
syn is apparently suuuper town, which. i'm morbidly curious what he plays like when he's scummy
the same, if I have time and can post. my poster's spirit transcends alignment
almost all of my wins have come through being tilted in thread against a partner, though
i honestly don’t get why you thought at any point today that ladd would get killed tonight
i’m obviously dying tonight assuming wolves don’t kill cuth, which… why would they lol
it's called strategic threadspewing smh
both taffy and maple have gone out of their way today to ponder ladd's assumed role claim in the neighbourhood chat
why is this
we have an anticlaim mechanic and are trying to bait him into making a claim :curtain:
vote: Maple
sure I'll be a part of this
vote: maple
die
https://i.imgur.com/KRMDNv8.jpeg
nw, hope everything’s alright
Yea just exausted thanks
Still cant be fully around for like 2 hours but I am honestly slightly worried about this game
I dont think the people I have as villager are not villagers but hally is right that the bar to be called a villager this game is very low (me included) so like it wouldnt be a shock to be wrong
Mostly i am a bit spooked that 1) if wisdom is villa but the poe is right i doubt i can avoid the mislunch and idk if we have the lunches to still kill everyone in the PoE and 2) i dont have a team i feel comfortable about
Manti whole thing about me being nked is kinda weird, it almost feels like a pocket lmao but i still dont feel like going there today tbh
Vaimes doesnt worry me at all, he still seems like a villager to me.
unvote
vote: maple
step 1 is admitting we have a problem (low posting/content/energy)
step 2 is Doing Something About It
y'all should've soul-checked wisdom instead of cuth. at least she's posting
Vaimes doesnt worry me at all, he still seems like a villager to me.
"stop, for the love of god, he's already pocketed!"
i will fully concede the point to wisdom that she believed she would die at eod1 regardless of alignment
that being w/w would be insane. maybe the last wolf wants to troll solo and see how long they make it. idk
for the record, i think it's a weird kind of entitlement to expect anyone, villaread or not, to produce game-shifting content in a team game when the content being provided by the team is so milquetoast
i said it before and i'll say it again. weak input, weak output. unless someone gets some juicy info as a pr, we're all stuck with what we each other provides
lift each other up, yeah?
EnderWiggin
01-09-2025, 21:49
If I'm honest, I have a hard to justify townread on ladd. Hard to justify just because the reasoning wouldn't really be a strong defense necessarily.
But if he is wolf it is a very different approach to every other org rand I remember. The apathy and outing the desperado claim are both just good looks.
Yea just exausted thanks
Still cant be fully around for like 2 hours but I am honestly slightly worried about this game
I dont think the people I have as villager are not villagers but hally is right that the bar to be called a villager this game is very low (me included) so like it wouldnt be a shock to be wrong
Mostly i am a bit spooked that 1) if wisdom is villa but the poe is right i doubt i can avoid the mislunch and idk if we have the lunches to still kill everyone in the PoE and 2) i dont have a team i feel comfortable about
Manti whole thing about me being nked is kinda weird, it almost feels like a pocket lmao but i still dont feel like going there today tbh
Vaimes doesnt worry me at all, he still seems like a villager to me.
you got me
Totally not Taffy
01-09-2025, 22:03
I read EoD yesterday evening but then I was too tired to still post.
My main takeaways were that Vaimes looked good bc once the Visor wagon was established he was firm on wanting to keep it when someone suggested changing.
Maple looks good bc she played completely different from the hydra game (granted that was herself dying not a teammate but debating optimal gameplay is a far cry from frantically trying to wagon someone else)
Syn looks worst of all players there imo bc he was defending Visor in the exact way I'd expect a wolf to have done it - quietly objecting without going too hard like Rask did - and tbh if he were town I'd expect wolves to be pushing him today.
I also had two posts saved but they're not here so I'll go get them after I reply to today's.
if someone can help me feel good about clearing vaimes it would do wonders
without rereading his posts i’m somewhere at he’s making good posts with good toan and activity that should make him a villager most times but not sure i can recall something that really sticks out as beyond the range of a competent wolf
Cuthillius maybe you can help here
vote: ladd
:curtain:
See above. Tell me about why Syn is town to you?
If I'm honest, I have a hard to justify townread on ladd. Hard to justify just because the reasoning wouldn't really be a strong defense necessarily.
But if he is wolf it is a very different approach to every other org rand I remember. The apathy and outing the desperado claim are both just good looks.
yeah i do think outing the desperado is a good look, been going back and forth on whether to clear him for that and be done with it
i mean, there’s no way we could possibly find out who rask neighborized and who he desperado’d without ladd telling us, right? is there any way not saying anything could come back to bite him?
if he doesn’t out it he does lose out on the cred from claiming it but he also gains a cuth mislunch so seems like the play is to keep quiet
yeah i do think outing the desperado is a good look, been going back and forth on whether to clear him for that and be done with it
i mean, there’s no way we could possibly find out who rask neighborized and who he desperado’d without ladd telling us, right? is there any way not saying anything could come back to bite him?
if he doesn’t out it he does lose out on the cred from claiming it but he also gains a cuth mislunch so seems like the play is to keep quiet
(assuming cuth/ladd isn’t the team of course)
Totally not Taffy
01-09-2025, 22:11
I can't see why this would be the thought and move before knowing anything. I don't understand this post at all really
I was questioning Maple's assumption that, if there's a bodyguard in the game like she thinks, it would be Ladd. If I get added to a chat without being told the other's alignment I claim VT regardless of whether that's true. My assumption was therefore that Ladd is also more likely VT (since Rask got his shot).
I mean ofc Ladd may play differently from me but Maple asking him, specifically, rather than leaving the speculation on there being a BG stand on its own was weird to me.
both taffy and maple have gone out of their way today to ponder ladd's assumed role claim in the neighbourhood chat
why is this
See above, and I only "pondered" to explain why Maple's question seemed weird to me.
I was questioning Maple's assumption that, if there's a bodyguard in the game like she thinks, it would be Ladd. If I get added to a chat without being told the other's alignment I claim VT regardless of whether that's true. My assumption was therefore that Ladd is also more likely VT (since Rask got his shot).
I mean ofc Ladd may play differently from me but Maple asking him, specifically, rather than leaving the speculation on there being a BG stand on its own was weird to me.
See above, and I only "pondered" to explain why Maple's question seemed weird to me.
Whats your thoughts on cape?
I read EoD yesterday evening but then I was too tired to still post.
My main takeaways were that Vaimes looked good bc once the Visor wagon was established he was firm on wanting to keep it when someone suggested changing.
Maple looks good bc she played completely different from the hydra game (granted that was herself dying not a teammate but debating optimal gameplay is a far cry from frantically trying to wagon someone else)
Syn looks worst of all players there imo bc he was defending Visor in the exact way I'd expect a wolf to have done it - quietly objecting without going too hard like Rask did - and tbh if he were town I'd expect wolves to be pushing him today.
I also had two posts saved but they're not here so I'll go get them after I reply to today's.
See above. Tell me about why Syn is town to you?
it’s honestly just meta, though i know he insists he can’t be meta read so easily
i know that’s really convincing but he seems like his carefree villa self to me
i definitely wouldn’t clear manti for being different from a hydra game, her wolf range is massive and this setting is completely different context from a high posting hydra game on MU with a totally different sort of playerlist
it’s honestly just meta, though i know he insists he can’t be meta read so easily
i know that’s really convincing but he seems like his carefree villa self to me
i definitely wouldn’t clear manti for being different from a hydra game, her wolf range is massive and this setting is completely different context from a high posting hydra game on MU with a totally different sort of playerlist
*i know that’s NOT really convincing
also gonna reiterate i’m pretty sure rask’s role would work regardless of whether ladd claimed truthfully, though i don’t doubt rask told him otherwise
Totally not Taffy
01-09-2025, 22:22
How much of the game have you read?
This is an aspect that worries me about you since it looked like from your day 1 logs it was more then you shared
I think there might be a chunk of D1 missing but I think I'm caught up.
Also Taffy, if you get misyeeted often as town like you are saying, why then assume the push day 1 from me and the Hally thing was in bad faith?
Because it was the right timing in the game for wolves to try to create a cw, and your posts came close together, so either "town!Cape votes me and wolf!Hally stokes the fire" or "wolf!Cape tries to cw me and either!Hally expresses being persuadable" were likely scenarios.
hey all im saying is
we wouldnt be having this conversation is ladd just claimed a PR in thread and got himself killed
whats the wagons look like?
3-3-1 or something?
Totally not Taffy
01-09-2025, 22:38
Whats your thoughts on cape?
I don't think it was a viable tactic for wolf!Cape to keep pushing me to save Visor after it became clear I wasn't going to die.
Wow nobody listened to me what a surprise
Welp I guess I just sit here and hope I am wrong in my Taffy logic.
Might vote Visor for the simple reason stated by Vaimes earlier, even if it is a doomerish look on Visor
also this kinda resonates with me, as in, it looks more like town frustration to me than like wolf salt.
Otoh voting Visor when he believes wolf!me spewed him town looks the most like a bus. But I'd rather look for non-bussing wolves today, which leads me to thinking it's Syn. Or I'm wrong about Wisdom/Maple. Or the tinfoil world where Rask did shoot me and it's you and Cuth is real.
are you talking about hg4, taf?
because i would sure HOPE im completely different from that game lol
that game was heavily warped by virtue of being hydras
Totally not Taffy
01-09-2025, 22:47
That leaves me to comment on Hally and Ender.
I thought Ender was towny yesterday, and I'd consider him lock clear by Visor's post if it weren't these exact two players and I know they've done the entire range of bussing / distancing in the past. As I told Hally this morning, if he's alive in FX we should consider it but not before.
Hally I can totally see as a wolf, I know she can post towny and solvy when wolfing and she is giving the two tinfoil worlds (wolf!Ender and the Ladd/Cuth team) more attention than they should get D2 imo
Also I thought this was a wolfy post
welcome to the manti experience
we’re 99% gonna lunch manti in the next couple of days unless something radically changes and she will flip an alignment
Totally not Taffy
01-09-2025, 22:48
are you talking about hg4, taf?
because i would sure HOPE im completely different from that game lol
that game was heavily warped by virtue of being hydras
The one where you were with Neil and died D1 (I thought that was the second game)
despite our hand wringing, i wouldn’t be surprised if the solve is as simple as wisdom/maple tbh
is there a reason that doesn’t work?
whenever taffy posts i just feel like she’s a villager :shrug:
ye i basically spent that entire day trying to undig a hole we were in, which had me acting significantly different
and fwiw people make that exact hally post about me more or less every game lol
idt they're serious about voting me here
Totally not Taffy
01-09-2025, 22:50
Vote: Syn
despite our hand wringing, i wouldn’t be surprised if the solve is as simple as wisdom/maple tbh
is there a reason that doesn’t work?
whenever taffy posts i just feel like she’s a villager :shrug:
wisdom!w definitely clears me lol
That leaves me to comment on Hally and Ender.
I thought Ender was towny yesterday, and I'd consider him lock clear by Visor's post if it weren't these exact two players and I know they've done the entire range of bussing / distancing in the past. As I told Hally this morning, if he's alive in FX we should consider it but not before.
Hally I can totally see as a wolf, I know she can post towny and solvy when wolfing and she is giving the two tinfoil worlds (wolf!Ender and the Ladd/Cuth team) more attention than they should get D2 imo
Also I thought this was a wolfy post
once you’ve played with manti enough in these kinds of games you’ll learn it’s just true hehe
and tbh i don’t really feel like i’ve thought about ladd/cuth or w!ender worlds almost at all today, my mind has been entirely focused on wisdom/manti/ladd and wondering if i’m misreading you or cape
wisdom!w definitely clears me lol
explain how?
if the world is ladd/cuth, cuth not being active today becomes EXTREMELY funny
explain how?
my eod yesterday if the wagons are exactly my partners is like
the dumbest shit of all time
my eod yesterday if the wagons are exactly my partners is like
the dumbest shit of all time
if both your partners are getting wagoned D1 it doesn’t really matter what you do because nobody is letting you endgame lol
me, sitting on a vanity, while saying "we need to make the wagons bigger" while not defending either of them or burying either of them and instead opting to bitch about how much i fucking hate how people play EoDs in current year?
im not bussing, im not powerwolfing, im not trying to get another wagon, im not really doing much of *anything*
if i were from someone else's perspective, i'd give me a denny's clear
if both your partners are getting wagoned D1 it doesn’t really matter what you do because nobody is letting you endgame lol
ye but im mantichora, one of the greatest wolves of all time
if i were a wolf i'd have gotten a villager over
if the team is me/wisdom/nl, and ladd is a villager, and there's momentum on him, i push to get him over and we use the tiebreaker to effectively have a 4 voting bloc, we just need 1 villager or so to be wrong, which in that world iirc ladd ended with 2 votes on him? so we could have put ladd over as that exact team, which is what i'd most likely do
because voting out ladd d1 is REALLY funny
beyond that, i think my general handling of wisdom itg is, holistically, not how i'd handle a partner at all
tho i think, holistically speaking, i havent handled anyone the same i would as a partenr because i havent handled this *game* like a wolf, but im sure you don't find that convincing :3
in essence, im too competent of a wolf to have that disorganized of a team, even if visor is doa, wisdom and i can still work together perfectly well
Maybe shouldn't post now that the wind seems to be in my favor, but I'm gonna fall asleep soon so just wanna say ladd/maple/taffy as my legacy in case you change your minds again.
To me it sounds kinda bork to have a v/v neighborhood with a vengeance kill pr but what do I know.
I was actually about to change to Taffy due to there not being counterclaims to Maple, as in, town should have 3-4 pr's and nothing indicates that manti doesn't fit into that atm.
Essentially v!Manti v!Ladd implies town would have two pr's that could let their thoughts and actions be heard if they died overnight, usually such roles are mirrored in both alignments so I don't think they're both wolves.
Both does give me sus vibes tho. Darnit.
I guess I'll stay on maple due to self perservence but I'm not that confident.
Good night and stay hyped!
ye but im mantichora, one of the greatest wolves of all time
if i were a wolf i'd have gotten a villager over
if the team is me/wisdom/nl, and ladd is a villager, and there's momentum on him, i push to get him over and we use the tiebreaker to effectively have a 4 voting bloc, we just need 1 villager or so to be wrong, which in that world iirc ladd ended with 2 votes on him? so we could have put ladd over as that exact team, which is what i'd most likely do
because voting out ladd d1 is REALLY funny
beyond that, i think my general handling of wisdom itg is, holistically, not how i'd handle a partner at all
tho i think, holistically speaking, i havent handled anyone the same i would as a partenr because i havent handled this *game* like a wolf, but im sure you don't find that convincing :3
wow yeah, i’m sure that you guys could all stack on ladd D1 and people would let you get away with it
amazing strategy
i would have never let a ladd cfd happen lol, there was no real momentum for it at all
Maybe shouldn't post now that the wind seems to be in my favor, but I'm gonna fall asleep soon so just wanna say ladd/maple/taffy as my legacy in case you change your minds again.
To me it sounds kinda bork to have a v/v neighborhood with a vengeance kill pr but what do I know.
I was actually about to change to Taffy due to there not being counterclaims to Maple, as in, town should have 3-4 pr's and nothing indicates that manti doesn't fit into that atm.
Essentially v!Manti v!Ladd implies town would have two pr's that could let their thoughts and actions be heard if they died overnight, usually such roles are mirrored in both alignments so I don't think they're both wolves.
Both does give me sus vibes tho. Darnit.
I guess I'll stay on maple due to self perservence but I'm not that confident.
Good night and stay hyped!
I have nothing to do with the neighbourhood, it was all rask role
Maybe shouldn't post now that the wind seems to be in my favor, but I'm gonna fall asleep soon so just wanna say ladd/maple/taffy as my legacy in case you change your minds again.
To me it sounds kinda bork to have a v/v neighborhood with a vengeance kill pr but what do I know.
I was actually about to change to Taffy due to there not being counterclaims to Maple, as in, town should have 3-4 pr's and nothing indicates that manti doesn't fit into that atm.
Essentially v!Manti v!Ladd implies town would have two pr's that could let their thoughts and actions be heard if they died overnight, usually such roles are mirrored in both alignments so I don't think they're both wolves.
Both does give me sus vibes tho. Darnit.
I guess I'll stay on maple due to self perservence but I'm not that confident.
Good night and stay hyped!
And I don't think Manti/Ladd are both town either*
1 wolf in the pair. Second one could be taffy. Or Cuth in w!ladd world.
I can see Rask dying to kill me and ladd taking the opportunity to clear w!Cuth since a laddcuthvisor team would ve kinda rough wimwise and the claim would give them a bit of a hold up.
I dunno. Yeet someone and pray, I believe in you!
I wanted to read back and see if i found something but its just been a brutal day and i hav eno energu left sorry guis
I have been randomly waking up during the night lately so maybe i will be around for eod idk
I have nothing to do with the neighbourhood, it was all rask role
A, slight nvm then
And I don't think Manti/Ladd are both town either*
1 wolf in the pair. Second one could be taffy. Or Cuth in w!ladd world.
I can see Rask dying to kill me and ladd taking the opportunity to clear w!Cuth since a laddcuthvisor team would ve kinda rough wimwise and the claim would give them a bit of a hold up.
But why me and manti? I dont get it
I am not claiming pr
Maybe shouldn't post now that the wind seems to be in my favor, but I'm gonna fall asleep soon so just wanna say ladd/maple/taffy as my legacy in case you change your minds again.
To me it sounds kinda bork to have a v/v neighborhood with a vengeance kill pr but what do I know.
I was actually about to change to Taffy due to there not being counterclaims to Maple, as in, town should have 3-4 pr's and nothing indicates that manti doesn't fit into that atm.
Essentially v!Manti v!Ladd implies town would have two pr's that could let their thoughts and actions be heard if they died overnight, usually such roles are mirrored in both alignments so I don't think they're both wolves.
Both does give me sus vibes tho. Darnit.
I guess I'll stay on maple due to self perservence but I'm not that confident.
Good night and stay hyped!
i don’t get what you’re saying re: the roles, ladd doesn’t have a role (that we know of)
and since when does town have 4 pr’s in a 13er? i’d think it’s 3 max, no?
Ah right - was anyone else in a chat last night?
Wolfchat doesnt count
wow yeah, i’m sure that you guys could all stack on ladd D1 and people would let you get away with it
amazing strategy
i would have never let a ladd cfd happen lol, there was no real momentum for it at all
wisdom already got away with it once :curtain:
Ah right - was anyone else in a chat last night?
Wolfchat doesnt count
oh, i wa--
nevermind...
i don’t get what you’re saying re: the roles, ladd doesn’t have a role (that we know of)
and since when does town have 4 pr’s in a 13er? i’d think it’s 3 max, no?
standard is PRs=#wolves, tho +-1 given this is evidently nonstandard
and its a question of whether or not waza counts as a PR, or if we have any other V+ roles
Ah right - was anyone else in a chat last night?
https://i.imgur.com/yHR9LQH_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand
Wolfchat doesnt count
https://i.imgur.com/EzKHVuc_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand
i just realized eod is today and not tomorrow
this is still fine tho :)
hally would you believe me if i said i had a n1 green
hally would you believe me if i said i had a n1 green
not even a little bit
hally i have a n1 green on you ??
hally i have a n1 green on you ??
truth nuke
if i were a bird, i'd get my flock to poop on cuth and everything he loves for the rest of his life
okay so the issue is i have the least clearing PR of all time and I'll definitely get voted if i claim it
but like
it cant be my fault at this point im literally cursed
if i were a bird, i'd get my flock to poop on cuth and everything he loves for the rest of his life
lmfao
so im ACTUALLY going to fakeclaim joat
Syn looks worst of all players there imo bc he was defending Visor in the exact way I'd expect a wolf to have done it - quietly objecting without going too hard like Rask did - and tbh if he were town I'd expect wolves to be pushing him today.
you're in luck, one wolf is
okay so the issue is i have the least clearing PR of all time and I'll definitely get voted if i claim it
but like
it cant be my fault at this point im literally cursed
go on….
I vanillaized wisdom last night LMAO
I vanillaized wisdom last night LMAO
wow i believe this
see that's why i didnt want to claim
the fact that wisdom didnt mention it means they were probably already vanilla at the start of the game
This might be the last time I appear before EOD and I'm only here for like 20 minutes...
I'm going to have to read stuff at night.
I'm rebelling against the Wisdom wagon unless someone starts a worse bandwagon
the fact that wisdom didnt mention it means they were probably already vanilla at the start of the game
They claimed vt yesterday at eod
They claimed vt yesterday at eod
...i may have missed that
maybe we're all vanillaizers
the fact that wisdom didnt mention it means they were probably already vanilla at the start of the game
wisdom already claimed VT D1, if she’s a wolf she’s not gonna come in here and claim vanillized lol
my exact role is that each night i *have* to write a poem about wheover gets voted out (specifically, it has to be a poem in that fuckass format), but i get to use an action based on their role; i got a 1x vanilla from nl
and generally if you're a wolf and you get vanillaized, you do sort of have to claim it or someone will call you out for not claiming it lol
tbh i thought the poem was refering to a type of cheese and that i was a fruit vendor cause i dont read italian lmao
i’m ngl, it sounds like you’re trying to psyche people out by coming up with the absolute worst fake claim possible so we can’t possibly think you made it up
i don’t think town vanillizer is a thing
my exact role is that each night i *have* to write a poem about wheover gets voted out (specifically, it has to be a poem in that fuckass format), but i get to use an action based on their role; i got a 1x vanilla from nl
and generally if you're a wolf and you get vanillaized, you do sort of have to claim it or someone will call you out for not claiming it lol
tbh i thought the poem was refering to a type of cheese and that i was a fruit vendor cause i dont read italian lmao
what if we vote out a VT, what do you get?
Hally
on god
i backed up visor
4 maple - wisdom, hally, syn, vaimes
2 wisdom - ender, ladd
1 taffy - cape
1 syn - taffy
despite our hand wringing, i wouldn’t be surprised if the solve is as simple as wisdom/maple tbh
is there a reason that doesn’t work?
whenever taffy posts i just feel like she’s a villager :shrug:
Why didn't you comment on the Syn thing?
what if we vote out a VT, what do you get?
no clue, it's based on the character apparently
Why didn't you comment on the Syn thing?
i did
this cant keep happening to me
okay but think about the infinite despo shots, people
okay but think about the infinite despo shots, people
you said you back up whoever gets voted out, rask died at night
you said you back up whoever gets voted out, rask died at night
its called a reference, hally
im getting trolled
this is probably benneh's fault
if yall just clear ender we DO have enough kills to just murder me and still win, assuming wolves only have a 1 shot vigi
so like fuck it i dont really care
im just impressed i keep getting literally the worst roles
Unvote: Taffy
Um - Martha Skye Murphy
Okay fine I will just force myself to be here EoD to vote even if I don't actually have the time lol.
I think wolfy claim is wolfy and also might have spewed Wisdom town ... Or was a spew attempt
In b4 it's Hally
okay but i've been right about basically everything so far
all im saying is, with 2 confirmed vanilla claimants in the game and *at most* 1 goon (given the setup), ladd/wisdom cannot be w/w
if we just *chained* the nk to ladd, which i think is VERY easy to do given nl treated ladd weird d1 and that ladd has been fine, and has been mechanically ~good, and claimed the info about cuth which he really didnt have to do
we could have just all collectively cleared him and let the wolves sort it out, if bro did all that as wolf, and DOESNT bus, and just gets halfway ruled anyway, the game is so fucking easy
literally just threadspew the strong players so they dont get voted out like what seems to happen so often these days. does no one do this anymore? like it used to be sooo common
that's all whatever
we prob hvae 1 more PR left, its prob a weak pro or maybe a utility/detecting role like MD or some shit
so w/ 1 more clear, if that person isnt consensus v, we're *pretty* close to just locking shit in and going
if we're just saying fuck it on ladd, then like lmao i guess? bros not gonna be here before eod, and if i go over yall CANNOT even halfway rule him tmr, you need to give him 1 more day before a PK, or -- and more likely -- just force the dude into a dome. idk, this line is so suboptimal for us.
idk why people v read syn but fuck it i guess maybe im a dumbass
meow meow meow
im catting my shit rn
Okay fine I will just force myself to be here EoD to vote even if I don't actually have the time lol.
I think wolfy claim is wolfy and also might have spewed Wisdom town ... Or was a spew attempt
In b4 it's Hally
do you really think i'd be sitting here realclaiming mafia backup if i were mafia backup? cmon
EnderWiggin
01-10-2025, 00:13
I reread and I'm not feeling Taffy wolf in the slightest.
Cape90
If Taffy was possibly spew clearing Visor (as in if Taffy is wolf, Visor was probably town.) why has the inverse not impacted your read?
I reread and I'm not feeling Taffy wolf in the slightest.
Cape90
If Taffy was possibly spew clearing Visor (as in if Taffy is wolf, Visor was probably town.) why has the inverse not impacted your read?
how confident are you on taffy v and why? you’ve played with her a lot, right
if we can just clear her the game becomes a lot easier
i don't townread syn
people just loooove their metareads
im busy atm but should hopefully be around before eod
i feel like all manti has done today is talk about ladd getting NK’d
is this some kind of bit?
EnderWiggin
01-10-2025, 00:29
how confident are you on taffy v and why? you’ve played with her a lot, right
if we can just clear her the game becomes a lot easier
Moderately confident. I haven't rechecked her wolf games so I'm not going to project an insane amount of confidence on it.
But it's a mix of:
1. The Cape point about Taffy maybe spewing Visor town has an inverse polarity to it.
2. The EOD1 review felt like someone actually trying to parse out who is wolf from D1.
3. It doesn't feel like Taffy is trying to elevate herself in the status quo. In fact she's actively pushed against it a few times already, which doesn't at all feel like a wolf play in a state where Visor got tipped D1.
EnderWiggin
01-10-2025, 00:31
i don't townread syn
people just loooove their metareads
I mean if you don't have the meta I absolutely reviewing it your own way. Listening to other people's Meta statements has not always run me well unless I'm familiar with the pairing or meta in place lmao.
Do you wolfread him?
im busy atm but should hopefully be around before eod
is there a reason you specifically wanted six people on two different wagons
chat im lazy as fuck can like
6 of you wagon me real quick?
thanks
can we get one of the wagons up to 6 so there's forced competition? im very uncomfortable being on 4-3
i also dont even think people are all that serious about these wagons, and think cuth would be a GREAT cw
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 00:32
hi hello i'm gonna pretend i just subbed into the game woah! see you in a bit
I mean if you don't have the meta I absolutely reviewing it your own way. Listening to other people's Meta statements has not always run me well unless I'm familiar with the pairing or meta in place lmao.
Do you wolfread him?
i "this slot is not giving me anything worthwhile to work with and will most likely be poe'd sooner or later unless he's a strong town pr" read him
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 00:35
oh before i forget was the whole manti calling vaimes von thing ever cleared up
like that's not a thing ever but also have you played together actually then
i don't townread syn
people just loooove their metareads
i know you don’t know anyone here but fwiw ladd is one of the most accurate villagers around and very good at using meta accurately
he’s played with syn a bunch so if he’s confident syn is a villager it’s worth trusting for a while
rask has played with him a lot too and thought the same, and he’s a very good villager too
same with waza, though i don’t know how much experience he has with syn
i don't townread syn
people just loooove their metareads
kill me then
i "this slot is not giving me anything worthwhile to work with and will most likely be poe'd sooner or later unless he's a strong town pr" read him
okay fine kill me tomorrow
what is it with y'all not caring if you live or die
blink twice if you're being held hostage
oh before i forget was the whole manti calling vaimes von thing ever cleared up
like that's not a thing ever but also have you played together actually then
i've heard the name mantichor or mantichora or whatever tossed around on mu but i don't think we've played together ever
or even talked
also gemma had my name as von on the signup list, i think
is there a reason you specifically wanted six people on two different wagons
oh the first one was me complaining about my lack of motivation and hoping that a big ass wagon would galvanize me
but no, you want bigger, more competitive wagons to get more info
if wagons are half-2, they start getting too easy to snipe, so half-1 is a good place to be for a lead wagon
hence, saying that 4-3 sucks and we shouild get a wagon up to 6
i've heard the name mantichor or mantichora or whatever tossed around on mu but i don't think we've played together ever
or even talked
ye im kind of a big deal :3
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 00:59
ok i don't love it but i don't really know that anyone else would call you that so it's probably whatever
i'm rereading the game rn and forming some pretty strong and spicy and hard-hitting opinions, could you summarize your thoughts on cape atm? tyyy
i feel like all manti has done today is talk about ladd getting NK’d
is this some kind of bit?
you should have seen my last game with iaafr
i actually got him killed LMAO
ye im kind of a big deal :3
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icegif.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2022%2F03%2Ficegif-229.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=86fa4b52f57dfd6b3a07050f59047b25af8374d1ce6eaed83d63eaee118badf9&ipo=images
ok i don't love it but i don't really know that anyone else would call you that so it's probably whatever
i'm rereading the game rn and forming some pretty strong and spicy and hard-hitting opinions, could you summarize your thoughts on cape atm? tyyy
i am not going to have time to page through their iso before deadline, but i agreed with a lot of things they said to an extent that felt sufficiently mind-meldy
kinda in the middle of making dinner, i'll see if i can get some quotes in a bit
flavor
It’s Rimbaud. Which was a surprise. Relatively speaking, that is. The really surprising thing was that he recited it in French. Anyway, I was a little angry not to have guessed it, since I know Rimbaud’s work fairly well, but I didn’t let it bother me. Another point in common. Maybe we would make it out of that hellhole alive. And after reciting Rimbaud, Ulises Lima told a story about Rimbaud and some war, which war I don’t know, war not being a subject that interests me, but there was something, a common theme linking Rimbaud, the poem, and the war, a sordid story, I’m sure, although at the time my ears and then my eyes were registering other sordid little stories (I swear I’ll kill Julita Moore if she drags me to another dive like Priapo’s), disjointed scenes in which brooding young delinquents danced with desperate young cleaning girls or desperate young whores in a whirl of contrasts that, I confess, heightened my drunkenness, if such a thing is possible.
votal
4 maple - wisdom, hally, syn, vaimes
2 wisdom - ender, ladd
1 syn - taffy
eod 1 hr
EnderWiggin
01-10-2025, 01:07
ok i don't love it but i don't really know that anyone else would call you that so it's probably whatever
i'm rereading the game rn and forming some pretty strong and spicy and hard-hitting opinions, could you summarize your thoughts on cape atm? tyyy
See this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862339&viewfull=1#post2053862339)
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:07
no i don't wanna wait i'm gonna talk about what i'm thinking right now
vote: ladd
feel semi strongly about this though i think part of it is a cape read that's a bit connected (his read on visor is a little similar to his read on ladd in a kinda icky way lol, and there are a lot of people in the poe who he doesn't read in ways that feel like they could be aligned-- to elaborate, almost certainly not cape/wisdom and cape/maple and cape/taffy both don't feel right)
so consider it a vote for that specific world kinda and maybe cape would be better but cape does not Feel like a wolf as strongly as ladd does reading their actual posts
ladd's doing stuff like promoting v-lists with all of the current poe in there and pushing on hally/me in ways that just don't feel great read in context
feel Very strongly about vaimes being v here, i think how he's approached the game overall has been super villagery, for example the calling out people for not commenting on him/waza early on because he thinks it could well be two vs finding each other just seems super believable and uncomfy to do as w but v comfy and just makes sense as v, also his formulating read on visor was super drawn out and seems like it would be bizarre as teammates (like telling ender "your reward for cooperation will be my read on visor" but then taking a while to get to it while still consistently referencing thinking about it and stuff)
also i think visor near sod saying he was gonna call syn wolfy for something but thinking about it overnight it's more villagery feels fairly unaligned, so that's another tick in favor of v!syn if anyone was wondering
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:09
connected to this i think ender/wisdom both feel like alone in the thread in a specific sort of way that i like when rereading
i haven't really gotten anything relevant out of taffy/maple posts so at least one could be a wolf sure but anyway
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:11
i think wisdom is ~clear if either maple or ladd are wolves from this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861879&viewfull=1#post2053861879)
so i am not interested in going there today at all
no i don't wanna wait i'm gonna talk about what i'm thinking right now
vote: ladd
feel semi strongly about this though i think part of it is a cape read that's a bit connected (his read on visor is a little similar to his read on ladd in a kinda icky way lol, and there are a lot of people in the poe who he doesn't read in ways that feel like they could be aligned-- to elaborate, almost certainly not cape/wisdom and cape/maple and cape/taffy both don't feel right)
so consider it a vote for that specific world kinda and maybe cape would be better but cape does not Feel like a wolf as strongly as ladd does reading their actual posts
ladd's doing stuff like promoting v-lists with all of the current poe in there and pushing on hally/me in ways that just don't feel great read in context
feel Very strongly about vaimes being v here, i think how he's approached the game overall has been super villagery, for example the calling out people for not commenting on him/waza early on because he thinks it could well be two vs finding each other just seems super believable and uncomfy to do as w but v comfy and just makes sense as v, also his formulating read on visor was super drawn out and seems like it would be bizarre as teammates (like telling ender "your reward for cooperation will be my read on visor" but then taking a while to get to it while still consistently referencing thinking about it and stuff)
also i think visor near sod saying he was gonna call syn wolfy for something but thinking about it overnight it's more villagery feels fairly unaligned, so that's another tick in favor of v!syn if anyone was wondering
yep, im dying.
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:13
From here on i may disappear and not be back for eod whenever
Cant say i am particularly confident on wisdom but switching to visor/cuth/maple feels a bit lame and unpredictable without knowing what they ll post between here and eod and i dont see the need to go for hally d1
like this is just bad!
this is just a bad post!
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:15
manti i think you're a villager and i don't want you to die here
you should vote ladd
vote: ladd
oki oomfie
5-2-1 wagons here we come!
i think youre correct that ladd/wisdom cannot be aligned w/w, but id MUCH rather start wisdom between the two, if either; v/v is obviously a possibility and i think splitting votes there gets me killed most of the time
we can also split worlds outside tho
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:18
i ALSO thought wisdom claiming vt 45 minutes to eod was a >rand v thing
i think youre correct that ladd/wisdom cannot be aligned w/w, but id MUCH rather start wisdom between the two, if either; v/v is obviously a possibility and i think splitting votes there gets me killed most of the time
we can also split worlds outside tho
specifically due to both slots being most likely vanilla
i see what you mean wrt wisdom and either of us + nl being 2/3 w d1 reads would be really silly
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:20
i think youre correct that ladd/wisdom cannot be aligned w/w, but id MUCH rather start wisdom between the two, if either; v/v is obviously a possibility and i think splitting votes there gets me killed most of the time
we can also split worlds outside tho
counterpoint: i would argue that wisdom has been villagery and ladd has not
cuth, what do you think about ladd outing that that rask desperado’d you?
if he didn’t do that you would be getting lunched rn
do you think he does that as wolf?
i ALSO thought wisdom claiming vt 45 minutes to eod was a >rand v thing
well strictly speaking all vt claims are >rand v and all pr claims are >rand w
but that's the nature of ww
cuth, what do you think about ladd outing that that rask desperado’d you?
if he didn’t do that you would be getting lunched rn
do you think he does that as wolf?
yeah, literally
https://i.imgur.com/P1YK33t.jpeg
relevant
why?
no, "yeah, literally" as in "yes, i agree"
i think wagoning ladd against me just gets me killed like 100% of the time and i think that it doesnt make sense for ladd to be a wolf based on his play itg, and i think nl's play wrt ladd is a mildly good look for the dude
sadly, cuth choosing this to be my cw kills me
well we can put the ladd/cuth meme world to bed
well we can put the ladd/cuth meme world to bed
okay but imagine?
we don’t actually know ladd is vanilla, right?
like, we have no idea what he told rask
honestly? its a fine distancing play because ladd never goes over me here and you can just have cuth get talked out of it and now theyre distanced lmao
https://i.imgflip.com/9g6rz8.jpg
unvote
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:26
cuth, what do you think about ladd outing that that rask desperado’d you?
if he didn’t do that you would be getting lunched rn
do you think he does that as wolf?
i don't think there's huge downside to do that as wolf? unless you think i have a high chance of going over which i do not
but like imo wolves are probably worried about making it to f3 right now so it's maybe better to potentially clear a villager who isn't doing much and hopefully isn't a huge problem and get some serious credit out of it than to just let it happen in the dark
and i don't think it's something that they'd risk faking as w/w because the gig's just up if either flips short amazing performance
i'm not saying i'm like 1000% locked in on ladd here (esp because i feel less good about the cape read after some of their eod posts which might be a little out of their range potentially) but i think they should be the alternative to manti over wisdom for sure
we don’t actually know ladd is vanilla, right?
like, we have no idea what he told rask
we don't know for sure but its pretty dang likely i'd estimate
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:27
no, "yeah, literally" as in "yes, i agree"
i think wagoning ladd against me just gets me killed like 100% of the time and i think that it doesnt make sense for ladd to be a wolf based on his play itg, and i think nl's play wrt ladd is a mildly good look for the dude
sadly, cuth choosing this to be my cw kills me
what's visor's play wrt ladd
i don't think there's huge downside to do that as wolf? unless you think i have a high chance of going over which i do not
but like imo wolves are probably worried about making it to f3 right now so it's maybe better to potentially clear a villager who isn't doing much and hopefully isn't a huge problem and get some serious credit out of it than to just let it happen in the dark
and i don't think it's something that they'd risk faking as w/w because the gig's just up if either flips short amazing performance
i'm not saying i'm like 1000% locked in on ladd here (esp because i feel less good about the cape read after some of their eod posts which might be a little out of their range potentially) but i think they should be the alternative to manti over wisdom for sure
idk i was going to tunnel the fuck out of you today if it werent for the green check LMAO
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:27
we don't know for sure but its pretty dang likely i'd estimate
i think it's pretty likely that's what he told rask, i'd agree there
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:28
idk i was going to tunnel the fuck out of you today if it werent for the green check LMAO
of course i was going to be pushed today, i'm not arguing anything to the contrary
i don't think there's huge downside to do that as wolf? unless you think i have a high chance of going over which i do not
but like imo wolves are probably worried about making it to f3 right now so it's maybe better to potentially clear a villager who isn't doing much and hopefully isn't a huge problem and get some serious credit out of it than to just let it happen in the dark
and i don't think it's something that they'd risk faking as w/w because the gig's just up if either flips short amazing performance
i'm not saying i'm like 1000% locked in on ladd here (esp because i feel less good about the cape read after some of their eod posts which might be a little out of their range potentially) but i think they should be the alternative to manti over wisdom for sure
wdym by the bolded? if he didn’t say you were clear you’d have like 10 votes rn
what's visor's play wrt ladd
prior to the ender stuff (or whatever i dont recall exactly how it went) it felt like nl was actually hoping for ladd to get enough momentum
that was the vibe i got anyway, i have not reread anything. that ladd was like somewhat in danger and COULD have gone over if not for nl just completely flaking and dying gives me that feeling
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:30
manti isn't someone you can casually v-read on tone reliably
but i'm gonna unreliably claim that she sounds super villagery right now on tone
by saying you were clear he took away a surefire mislunch and just boxed himself and his teammate in more
i mean it’s possible, but likely? he’d just let you die lol
by saying you were clear he took away a surefire mislunch and just boxed himself and his teammate in more
i mean it’s possible, but likely? he’d just let you die lol
its so fucked up youre saying all of this now and were questioning my conviction on my v read before SMH
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:32
prior to the ender stuff (or whatever i dont recall exactly how it went) it felt like nl was actually hoping for ladd to get enough momentum
that was the vibe i got anyway, i have not reread anything. that ladd was like somewhat in danger and COULD have gone over if not for nl just completely flaking and dying gives me that feeling
that's completely different than what i read when i was reading d1 just now, i never really got that impression about ladd potentially being on the table and visor on ender felt more antispewy than anything relative to like wisdom/taffy wagons because those would be the most likely misyeets in most worlds if v
unless the purpose of protecting ladd here is to bury me which would be totally fair honestly
that's completely different than what i read when i was reading d1 just now, i never really got that impression about ladd potentially being on the table and visor on ender felt more antispewy than anything relative to like wisdom/taffy wagons because those would be the most likely misyeets in most worlds if v
hm i'll reread when i have the chance, seems like our impressions are totally different
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:33
by saying you were clear he took away a surefire mislunch and just boxed himself and his teammate in more
i mean it’s possible, but likely? he’d just let you die lol
i would not have let myself get misyote
and i think there's a bigger chance i just don't feel motivated to play if cleared and keep contributing almost nothing like before than there is a chance that i actually get killed if fired up
but maybe i just have a positive self-impression lol
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:34
Taffy went into indirect shading mode. IDK I'm just that good at catching frozen wolf.
Taffy's recent comment on Visor makes me worried Visor/Wisdom are v/v. Well, or just that Visor is town
thoughts on this post from people who know cape better? it feels like a very like
mm
a level or two higher than i would expect from cape if partnered with visor?
idk how we got lock into this exact dichotomy anyway
i would not have let myself get misyote
well um
you would have been
sorry lol
EnderWiggin
01-10-2025, 01:35
thoughts on this post from people who know cape better? it feels like a very like
mm
a level or two higher than i would expect from cape if partnered with visor?
Wdym??
thoughts on this post from people who know cape better? it feels like a very like
mm
a level or two higher than i would expect from cape if partnered with visor?
that the post, from cape!w, would be too good for cape to make?
that the indirect defence of visor here is something that cape would not think to do as wolf?
(idrk cape as a player lol just clarifying)
i REALLY didnt think i'd get misyote today either but here we are
people should just let me fakeclaim joat honjestly its always my go-to
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:36
well um
you would have been
sorry lol
oh!
i *hypothetically* could get a vig shot
or a cop
or or or
a jail
think of the infinite possibilities!
i believe you think you could have gotten out of being mislunched
but from w!ladd’s perspective you were a mislunch 1000% after your D1
no i don't wanna wait i'm gonna talk about what i'm thinking right now
vote: ladd
feel semi strongly about this though i think part of it is a cape read that's a bit connected (his read on visor is a little similar to his read on ladd in a kinda icky way lol, and there are a lot of people in the poe who he doesn't read in ways that feel like they could be aligned-- to elaborate, almost certainly not cape/wisdom and cape/maple and cape/taffy both don't feel right)
so consider it a vote for that specific world kinda and maybe cape would be better but cape does not Feel like a wolf as strongly as ladd does reading their actual posts
ladd's doing stuff like promoting v-lists with all of the current poe in there and pushing on hally/me in ways that just don't feel great read in context
feel Very strongly about vaimes being v here, i think how he's approached the game overall has been super villagery, for example the calling out people for not commenting on him/waza early on because he thinks it could well be two vs finding each other just seems super believable and uncomfy to do as w but v comfy and just makes sense as v, also his formulating read on visor was super drawn out and seems like it would be bizarre as teammates (like telling ender "your reward for cooperation will be my read on visor" but then taking a while to get to it while still consistently referencing thinking about it and stuff)
also i think visor near sod saying he was gonna call syn wolfy for something but thinking about it overnight it's more villagery feels fairly unaligned, so that's another tick in favor of v!syn if anyone was wondering
Brah wtf
i believe you think you could have gotten out of being mislunched
but from w!ladd’s perspective you were a mislunch 1000% after your D1
i agree
really dont see ladd doing that
he'd need to like specifically fear a wiretap or a medium which you like... NEVER worry about in a standard game lol
well i don't know whom to vote now
ladd and maple and wisdom all feel like terrible options now
Brah wtf
ok this made me lol
i'd like to assume ladd didn't know the full extent of rask's role, unless rask word-vomited everything into their chat, which
yikes
Brah wtf
yeah that was about my reaction too LMAO
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:39
that the post, from cape!w, would be too good for cape to make?
that the indirect defence of visor here is something that cape would not think to do as wolf?
(idrk cape as a player lol just clarifying)
cape was the main voice pushing towards taffy in a wisdom/visor eod (nobody else had credible traction in my mind)
but idk if he's ballsy enough to make the idk i'm just good at catching frozen wolves about a lhf villager
and then the indirect visor defense yeah
i'd like to assume ladd didn't know the full extent of rask's role, unless rask word-vomited everything into their chat, which
yikes
part of it was claim restricted but evidently rask claimed the despo ability and said who he was using it on (which makes sense cause you ALWAYS have to claim who youre despoing)
cape was the main voice pushing towards taffy in a wisdom/visor eod (nobody else had credible traction in my mind)
but idk if he's ballsy enough to make the idk i'm just good at catching frozen wolves about a lhf villager
and then the indirect visor defense yeah
shrug
i love making disrespect reads but idk the person, wish i did specifically for this lol
i'd like to assume ladd didn't know the full extent of rask's role, unless rask word-vomited everything into their chat, which
yikes
i mean, he knew it after rask flipped though
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:40
feel free to vote wisdom if any of you actually think they're w here
but i don't want to sleepwalk this
i mean, he knew it after rask flipped though
i mean, if ladd is w and was going to try and manipulate the results of rask's shot
we don't know if they even actually targeted cuth
feel free to vote wisdom if any of you actually think they're w here
but i don't want to sleepwalk this
to be clear splitting votes between ladd and wisdom just kills me
lettuce flashwagon if anything
i mean, if ladd is w and was going to try and manipulate the results of rask's shot
we don't know if they even actually targeted cuth
well it doesn’t matter unless cuth is a wolf with ladd, which… lol
i mean, if ladd is w and was going to try and manipulate the results of rask's shot
we don't know if they even actually targeted cuth
i mean
if ladd is a wolf and lies about the results, SOMEONE who is a wolf had to be in the hood unless it was exactly waza
which ladd wouldnt have known at sod
so he risks getting CCd
so if the result is fake it doesnt really matter, what matters is that ladd is MOST LIKELY telling the truth about being in the hood, regardless of the actual results
which if w/w we eventually solve before endgame
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:42
i maintain that if w!ladd thought i was an easy mislunch always there to that degree then i think clearing me to thread while building general trust in him is also by similar logic kinda not a huge downside but i'm not gonna get into it
apparentely it's real and i am not still dreaming
but really wtf
hally how do you not v read me rn ive been SO vilalgery this eod
i maintain that if w!ladd thought i was an easy mislunch always there to that degree then i think clearing me to thread while building general trust in him is also by similar logic kinda not a huge downside but i'm not gonna get into it
me-ass play from w!ladd if that's the line lmao
tbc i don’t think it’s impossible ladd would claim the clear on cuth as a wolf
but i tend to think it’s much less likely than him not saying anything
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:43
ultimately i think i'm okay with any of the three dying lmao
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