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i dont ACTUALLY want to kill ladd here
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:45
Wow nobody listened to me what a surprise
Welp I guess I just sit here and hope I am wrong in my Taffy logic.
Might vote Visor for the simple reason stated by Vaimes earlier, even if it is a doomerish look on Visor
Vote: Visor
Sorry bronana
this is still wild to me
I love chaos
vote: ladd
not to buy myself an extra vote, but could i interest anyone in a flashwagon?
meow meow meow
i'd REALLY prefer splitting outside of those two, and splitting on someone OTHER than myself
since i *am* technically a world splitting kill lol
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:46
Wow nobody listened to me what a surprise
Welp I guess I just sit here and hope I am wrong in my Taffy logic.
Might vote Visor for the simple reason stated by Vaimes earlier, even if it is a doomerish look on Visor
not to buy myself an extra vote, but could i interest anyone in a flashwagon?
meow meow meow
i'd REALLY prefer splitting outside of those two, and splitting on someone OTHER than myself
since i *am* technically a world splitting kill lol
who do you think is wolves
vote: syn
he asked
doitkermit.bmp
i maintain that if w!ladd thought i was an easy mislunch always there to that degree then i think clearing me to thread while building general trust in him is also by similar logic kinda not a huge downside but i'm not gonna get into it
i genuinely don’t get it
he only needs 3 mislunches as a wolf
you are one, wisdom is one
boom, he’s already in lylo and barely has to break a sweat
why would he make his life harder? it’s not like he was at the bottom of the PoE or something
well i don't know whom to vote now
ladd and maple and wisdom all feel like terrible options now
why is wisdom a terrible action?
In short, I changed my mind about the spew on Visor
I have already said this
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:48
if i die my legacy is vaimes is a villager, cape probably only w with like ladd or ender or something, hally almost certainly v
i'm trying to figure out if taffy being so out of touch with the thread/posts she's responding to (like the saying hally was pushing her when they weren't) is villagery because i want it to be
why is wisdom a terrible action?
option, not action
i feel like i woke up and everyone is crazy
EnderWiggin
01-10-2025, 01:49
I'll read back to see if I can find it.
... but convenient
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:49
i genuinely don’t get it
he only needs 3 mislunches as a wolf
you are one, wisdom is one
boom, he’s already in lylo and barely has to break a sweat
why would he make his life harder? it’s not like he was at the bottom of the PoE or something
yeah i think that's a reasonable argument
what do you think of maple eod
why is wisdom a terrible action?
she does not care about dying
EnderWiggin
01-10-2025, 01:50
if i die my legacy is vaimes is a villager, cape probably only w with like ladd or ender or something, hally almost certainly v
i'm trying to figure out if taffy being so out of touch with the thread/posts she's responding to (like the saying hally was pushing her when they weren't) is villagery because i want it to be
Lmao. I'm trying to bring Cape sus into a gamestate he's townread in. Why would we be paired?
I'll read back to see if I can find it.
... but convenient
what we talking about here?
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:50
i genuinely don’t get it
he only needs 3 mislunches as a wolf
you are one, wisdom is one
boom, he’s already in lylo and barely has to break a sweat
why would he make his life harder? it’s not like he was at the bottom of the PoE or something
he did have third most votes after visor/wisdom at eod yesterday at one point (4/3/2, from like syn and someone else idr who)
and also has to dodge actions
but yeah
yeah i think that's a reasonable argument
what do you think of maple eod
i’m not sure why i should be town reading her?
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:51
Lmao. I'm trying to bring Cape sus into a gamestate he's townread in. Why would we be paired?
i'm not arguing that you are, i'm just arguing that other people aren't
EnderWiggin
01-10-2025, 01:51
what we talking about here?
Cape's "I changed my mind on the spew"
option, not action
i feel like i woke up and everyone is crazy
im pretty transparently trying to survive here
you getting thrown out as my cw is really throwing me for a loop, though
she does not care about dying
alrighty, but neither did visor
shrug.jpg
(to be clear i am not like 100% sure wisdom is a wolf at all, but i do think they are the best option for today)
i’m not sure why i should be town reading her?
we should hydra
Ugh I feel like poo poo so like idk anymore
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:52
alrighty, but neither did visor
shrug.jpg
(to be clear i am not like 100% sure wisdom is a wolf at all, but i do think they are the best option for today)
why not maple
why does it feel like taffy gets talked about a lot but she is still somehow like, completely without thread presence
(this is not a jab at her activity, just that when she's here it feels like she's still not super present)
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:52
ladd i wish you showed up like twenty minutes earlier
who do you think is wolves
hate this popin from syn, and im really not all that on board with the v reads on his slot
my general concern is that this mirrors some peoples concerns on ender from me so if we combine our reads then like it could point towards needing to split elsewhere
i am not killing cape the day after waza said he is 1 of his top 2 villagers
maple is like idk they seem fine-ish. their claim seems at least possible (tho i am confused how you get the night action the same night the Poem is publisehd and not the one after but rask role worked like that too so who knows) and i think they have been fine, i wouldnt lunch them today tbh
alrighty, but neither did visor
shrug.jpg
(to be clear i am not like 100% sure wisdom is a wolf at all, but i do think they are the best option for today)
exactly
if 2/3 of the wolfteam does not play to their wincon, what are we even doing here
ladd i wish you showed up like twenty minutes earlier
it's almost 2 am, i literally randomly woke up and decided to check the thread
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:53
why does it feel like taffy gets talked about a lot but she is still somehow like, completely without thread presence
(this is not a jab at her activity, just that when she's here it feels like she's still not super present)
fairly standard taffy behavior
she is the sort to show up, wallpost, and dip
i think it's more interesting that nobody's really talking about her
which is why i'm confused about cape even more
exactly
if 2/3 of the wolfteam does not play to their wincon, what are we even doing here
https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbmw3YmV4enUxd2pwM2d0MDExMnd1bHlhaXN0Y3BsNXBjYjl1cXNuZyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjd D1n/uUIFcDYRbvJTtxaFNa/giphy.gif
i am not killing cape the day after waza said he is 1 of his top 2 villagers
maple is like idk they seem fine-ish. their claim seems at least possible (tho i am confused how you get the night action the same night the Poem is publisehd and not the one after but rask role worked like that too so who knows) and i think they have been fine, i wouldnt lunch them today tbh
how you feeling about taffy and syn?
why does it feel like taffy gets talked about a lot but she is still somehow like, completely without thread presence
(this is not a jab at her activity, just that when she's here it feels like she's still not super present)
had a few walls, a couple of them d1 were sketch seems to be the general perception
i think taffy last posts are so out of touch with gamestate they are villagery
I almost want to kill Ender
hate this popin from syn, and im really not all that on board with the v reads on his slot
you have the power to kill me. vote with your feelings
i am not killing cape the day after waza said he is 1 of his top 2 villagers
maple is like idk they seem fine-ish. their claim seems at least possible (tho i am confused how you get the night action the same night the Poem is publisehd and not the one after but rask role worked like that too so who knows) and i think they have been fine, i wouldnt lunch them today tbh
i get told the action at start of night, and then i have to write the poem before SoD
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:55
it's almost 2 am, i literally randomly woke up and decided to check the thread
oh fair
in my defense i forgot that i'm an hour off my normal timezone/european time frame of reference
well i wish i showed up like three hours earlier and you were still up then
i just wanted more time for you to react mostly
i think it's interesting/valuable anyway
If he is wolf, it would be a very easy way to spew myself lmfao
I almost want to kill Ender
please lord can we not wagon me against my villagers
hally not to ate you but this is like marshal all over LMAO
https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbmw3YmV4enUxd2pwM2d0MDExMnd1bHlhaXN0Y3BsNXBjYjl1cXNuZyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjd D1n/uUIFcDYRbvJTtxaFNa/giphy.gif
oh no
i think taffy last posts are so out of touch with gamestate they are villagery
that was also my feeling lol
idk why a wolf even tries to wolf read me here and i recall that taffy is kind of a weird anti-consensus type of villager
I agree that syns pop in was bad
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:56
i literally never put any weight in anything manti claims as any alignment ever these days tbh because i don't have enough brain cells to it be worth it to me lol
but it seems a funny thing to claim on someone else's behalf so they probably have something to do with a poem yes
how you feeling about taffy and syn?
i still think syn is more in their villa meta and rask agreed
if wisdom is a wolf, they have some like suepr rough posts in their iso lmao but i'd lean them being a villager and i think some of their comments on visor don't look w/w and visor overexplainy early read on syn honestly doesnt really seem w/w wither (bit thin tho)
i literally never put any weight in anything manti claims as any alignment ever these days tbh because i don't have enough brain cells to it be worth it to me lol
but it seems a funny thing to claim on someone else's behalf so they probably have something to do with a poem yes
yes i am at minimum a crier
im claiming to be a gravedigger
its not that crazy!!!!!
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:57
vote: wisdom
mods give me vote totals so i know who to self prez on god
vote: wisdom
https://media1.tenor.com/m/xySG1pMhS6MAAAAd/one-piece-anime.gif
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:58
yes i am at minimum a crier
im claiming to be a gravedigger
its not that crazy!!!!!
sure but you could be a person who gets to post something random and it happens to be a poem and it gives you an odd-night 1-shot firefight or something and i'd be like sounds about right
unvote
vote: wisdom
alright then
i'll def re read cape tomorrow tho
this is my good proposition for the day
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:58
cuth I hate you
my bad
sure but you could be a person who gets to post something random and it happens to be a poem and it gives you an odd-night 1-shot firefight or something and i'd be like sounds about right
okay well when we vote out wisdom and she flips vt im sure i'll get something super awesome
like a fucking cheese vending shot or something
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 01:59
okay well when we vote out wisdom and she flips vt im sure i'll get something super awesome
like a fucking cheese vending shot or something
dunno what you want me to do
that was also my feeling lol
idk why a wolf even tries to wolf read me here and i recall that taffy is kind of a weird anti-consensus type of villager
True, but part of that is why I felt Taffy's day 1 was odd and they have felt in constant catch up
i’m not really confident on anything but i thiiiink cuth/vaimes/cape/syn/taffy should probably all be villas here
we’ll see though lol
vote: Maple
for no reason
that's why the call me bitch3
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 02:00
like if you don't like this situation you're doing jack to go anywhere else you're just like i'm tonally very villagery don't vote this person or that person because i will die
and not being like here's the person i think is most likely to be a wolf so let's go there
idk
siw wisdom, just feels like the safest option and i’m a coward
and also like if taffy/vaimes are villagers, wisdom has been voted by villagers all of d1
lolwagonomics but i'd be REALLy confused on the wolves plan if iwsdom is villa
idk i really hope they are a wolf or we are in for a tough game and me personally for a tough d3
gl
Cuthillius
01-10-2025, 02:01
and also like if taffy/vaimes are villagers, wisdom has been voted by villagers all of d1
lolwagonomics but i'd be REALLy confused on the wolves plan if iwsdom is villa
idk i really hope they are a wolf or we are in for a tough game and me personally for a tough d3
gl
yep i think this is an accurate take
i was thinking a lot about this
flavor
After he came, Pancho told me that he wanted to marry me. He told me he loved me. He said he would make me the happiest woman in the world.
votal
wisdom - ender, ladd, cuth, hally, maple, vaimes, cape
maple - wisdom, syn
syn - taffy
wis yeeted by an amount
Wisdom was:
You are Vanilla.
You are Town.
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
night 2 etc
flavor
The guests were waiting for the poet to make his entrance. They were waiting for him to pick a fight. Or to defecate in the middle of the living room, on a Turkish carpet like the threadbare carpet from the Thousand and One Nights, a battered carpet that sometimes functioned as a mirror, reflecting all of us from below. I mean: it turned into a mirror at the command of our spasms. Neurochemical spasms. When the poet showed up, though, nothing happened.
Vaimes died! He was:
You are Vanilla.
You are Town.
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
not flavor
Oh, Rask, desperado power
My Rask, aficionado
I see you dead with a sad glower
Missing, striking a mighty blow
Our top town, dead confirming thee
Cuthalion, postless and free
Maybe next time you have the gun
Choose someone who wants to have fun
will say I didn't make it clear why I changed my mind on Taffy "spewing" Visor as town, BUT read #659 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862209&viewfull=1#post2053862209) and all the posts that I push Taffy with here. I started getting paranoid about it when Taffy just... wasn't on Visor, which is a thing I didn't notice day 1, therefore making the post less spew-y to me. Call it moving the goal post or whatever, but I also just wasn't reading carefully by EOD of day 1 because I was busy, as I was EOD 2 (I also had a sore throat and a really annoying headache I couldn't do anything about at EOD 2 but that's not important i am rambling).
So why did I vote Wisdom there yesterday?
1. Sanity check, I freaking knew Wisdom was being towny smh. I mean, if Wisdom flipped mafia there, Taffy would just be clear in my eyes.
2. If Maple is town with supposedly "unlimited despo shots" then either Maple dies tonight or they kill some mafia. And if nothing happens and Manti does nothing, I have serious questions unless mech is misunderstood (I didn't follow all that carefully im gonna be honest). Also Maple just looked towny EOD beyond how I felt Maple was being weird about thier backup claim initially.
I find it odd that ladd seemed set on solving Wisdom yesterday when #1051 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862601&highlight=#post2053862601) is a post that exists on Wisdom. There is something that felt a bit softball-y about ladd looking back in general, like look at #745 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862295&highlight=#post2053862295) on ladd's read of me and Taffy, ladd's read on Taffy seemed to have changed with #1039 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862589&highlight=#post2053862589), so I am curious where the re-evaluated shift came from, especially when I feel like that has been the case for Taffy this entire game... And ladd is just now calling it towny. I think ladd's read on me has been waffle-y and they have been holding onto the whole waza townreading me thing #646 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862195&highlight=#post2053862195).
#720 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862270&viewfull=1#post2053862270) I must say is very interesting foreshadowing for Manti... and I wonder if it means anything, like ladd knew that Maple was planning on claiming PR.
Yesterday, I felt that Syn was really weird around the wagons, and it makes me think about if Syn is wolf, what would it mean for Taffy? as Syn's vote there stood out #773 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862323&highlight=#post2053862323). I mean with #813 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862363&viewfull=1#post2053862363) the votes on Taffy and Maple, the votes on both of them by EOD make sense... but I almost feel like they make too much sense. I think mafia are more likely to keep their story straight vs villagers (wow thats me!). Syn has been vaguely openwolfing at certain spots of the game #758 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862308&viewfull=1#post2053862308) and too many other points of the game... #665 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862215&highlight=#post2053862215) could be uninformed maybe. Day 1 Syn voting ladd to supposedly save Wisdom over Visor is a very... interesting look to say the least #400 (]https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861948&viewfull=1#post2053861948), I mean Syn said #489 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862037&viewfull=1#post2053862037) but it's very word-salady, idk what it means.
Moderately confident. I haven't rechecked her wolf games so I'm not going to project an insane amount of confidence on it.
But it's a mix of:
1. The Cape point about Taffy maybe spewing Visor town has an inverse polarity to it.
2. The EOD1 review felt like someone actually trying to parse out who is wolf from D1.
3. It doesn't feel like Taffy is trying to elevate herself in the status quo. In fact she's actively pushed against it a few times already, which doesn't at all feel like a wolf play in a state where Visor got tipped D1.
I don't really see where point 2 is coming from. I mean I kinda liked the Wisdom comments that Taffy made. The ladd claiming VT thing Taffy seemed a bit stuck on was strange. I think overall, I like Taffy's day 2 better than 1 but also feel like I don't have that much to say on it, I mean ig there is that issue of Taffy's sudden v read on Wisdom feeling a bit weird just because there didn't seem to be either paranoia shown and only a little of trying to convince people it isn't Wisdom... with like 1 comment.
I kinda think Ender could be mafia for OMGUS reasons. I think there is decent partner equity with Syn and with ladd. There is something that doesn't feel right about #754 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862304&viewfull=1#post2053862304), like it doesn't really register to me as towny frustration.
so like
what did maple do with power yday?
ngl i was still tinfoiling vaimes so i’m glad he died lol
my first thought is vaimes dying over me means i should look at syn again but meh
gonna skim his posts in a bit to see if we had other points of divergence
Okay so I lied about only being able to target the yeet, I can also target corpses. I'm allowed to select someone to chat up today uwu
during the night i was thinking we probably wrote off ender too easily for what ultimately would be not that impressive D1 cross-distancing between two PoE’d wolves
i don’t really like his turnaround on wisdom D2, kinda feel like he dropped his D1 town read too easily and his reasons for wolf reading her felt pretty unconvincing
also i’m really kicking myself for not continuing to defend wisdom D2
i was trying to be a team player because everyone had her PoE’d and i didn’t feel like i could confidently go against that based on her D2 output and didn’t have a different wolf read i felt good about, but tbh she never seemed wolfy to me and i’m still confused how she went from being mostly villa read to bottom of the PoE so fast
Cuth living is interesting wother a reads thing or some kinda dodge i suppose. I maintain I don't think it's ladd.
I think syn's EoD is pretty bad. Seeming like you *really* dont care during such a chaotic eod when wagons appear to likely be v/v/v is wolfy af
Gonna get into the meat of stuff a bit later tho
Yesterday, I felt that Syn was really weird around the wagons, and it makes me think about if Syn is wolf, what would it mean for Taffy? as Syn's vote there stood out #773 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862323&highlight=#post2053862323). I mean with #813 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862363&viewfull=1#post2053862363) the votes on Taffy and Maple, the votes on both of them by EOD make sense... but I almost feel like they make too much sense. I think mafia are more likely to keep their story straight vs villagers (wow thats me!). Syn has been vaguely openwolfing at certain spots of the game #758 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862308&viewfull=1#post2053862308) and too many other points of the game... #665 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862215&highlight=#post2053862215) could be uninformed maybe. Day 1 Syn voting ladd to supposedly save Wisdom over Visor is a very... interesting look to say the least #400 (]https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861948&viewfull=1#post2053861948), I mean Syn said #489 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862037&viewfull=1#post2053862037) but it's very word-salady, idk what it means.
good case
Cuth living is interesting wother a reads thing or some kinda dodge i suppose.
there is no reason for cuth to be NKed right now. they're too inactive to be a true threat now and only need to be dead in fx
don't really see what's so bad about encouraging a change from stagnant wagons at eod, especially given that the final result was everyone shrugging their shoulders and going back to said stagnant wagon, which was a town flip that gave us nothing
actually maple self-resolves tonight
vote: unvote
actually maple self-resolves tonight
vote: unvote
maple also doesn't get to make a neighbourhood tonight, so she's lying about that. she just gets the vig shot immediately
rask's role only allows neighbourhood creation d1 and d2, not d3. on n3, it's a free gun that's either desperado or vengeful
rask's role only allows neighbourhood creation d1 and d2, not d3. on n3, it's a free gun that's either desperado or vengeful
do we trust that a role thief is town aligned in this setup? what's stopping w!maple from giving herself a vengeful shot?
I think we need to kill a wolf today
i’m probably being unfair but if i ignore the cuth clear, it’s like…. so easy for me to confbias myself into a wolf read on ladd lmfao
i just don’t like his wisdom push at all? and this isn’t simply hindsight now that she flipped v, i thought that on D1 too. his reasons were just bad imo. very level 0 stuff that i kinda struggle to believe he would buy. maybe i’ll go back and quote what i mean but it felt like he was looking for reasons to call her a wolf, and then D2 he didn’t seem interested in continuing to solve her.
also maybe this is self-centered but i don’t get why he didn’t care about me defending wisdom. i feel like ladd as a villager is very collaborative and takes the reads of other strong players into account but he never seemed curious why i didn’t agree with his push. maybe it’s unfair to expect that because i did say i was fine with wisdom dying D2 and he wasn’t itt D1 when i started defending her. but i dunno, i feel like if i could find wisdom he should have been able to or at least had more reservations than he did.
even as i say all that, i still don’t get why he would clear cuth as a wolf lol. my thought overnight was he wouldn’t do it unless his teammate was someone deep like vaimes (lol) and he wasn’t concerned that taking cuth out of the PoE would endanger them. it seems so counterintuitive otherwise, like what’s the point? the game is so easy for him if he doesn’t saying anything.
i don’t know lol
do we trust that a role thief is town aligned in this setup? what's stopping w!maple from giving herself a vengeful shot?
I think we need to kill a wolf today
i mean, if manti is a wolf, she’s lying about her role and never backed up anyone
if she’s a wolf she’s claiming she has kp tonight so we let her live, her role is totally unverified
what is going to happen is she’s going to choose the desperado shot and post itt before EoD today who she’s shooting so we know, and then if she doesn’t die or kill somebody tonight we turbo her tomorrow
but realistically, she’s probably a wolf because i don’t think that gemma would include a role that can back up rask’s role, seems too OP
The killing portion of the role has already been used and was 1shot, but im allowed to use the non-killing part of it
Now, perhaps *claiming* i had kp might be a good idea, or claiming that i'd be allowed to be vengeful tonight, but i figured any lying whatsoever would get me killed again
in either case, i'll be hooding someone ~randomly so as to avoid the wolves potentially sniping who i pick
The killing portion of the role has already been used and was 1shot, but im allowed to use the non-killing part of it
this logic does not hold up at all. if you're beholden to the rules of the one-shot vig, you're beholden to the rules of the neighbourizer
why would the wolves care about who you neighbourize
The killing portion of the role has already been used and was 1shot, but im allowed to use the non-killing part of it
rask’s role says the neighborizer deactivates once he gets the shot
so you’re saying you can’t use one spent aspect of his role but you can use the other spent aspect?
and if you don’t make a chat with someone tonight we should consider you outed?
honestly this is why i kinda wanted to kill manti yesterday and be done with it
cuz every day she is alive will end up being this, torturing us over whether we should believe her increasingly implausible claim
o honestly don’t really wanna deal with it lol
i’m probably being unfair but if i ignore the cuth clear, it’s like…. so easy for me to confbias myself into a wolf read on ladd lmfao
i just don’t like his wisdom push at all? and this isn’t simply hindsight now that she flipped v, i thought that on D1 too. his reasons were just bad imo. very level 0 stuff that i kinda struggle to believe he would buy. maybe i’ll go back and quote what i mean but it felt like he was looking for reasons to call her a wolf, and then D2 he didn’t seem interested in continuing to solve her.
also maybe this is self-centered but i don’t get why he didn’t care about me defending wisdom. i feel like ladd as a villager is very collaborative and takes the reads of other strong players into account but he never seemed curious why i didn’t agree with his push. maybe it’s unfair to expect that because i did say i was fine with wisdom dying D2 and he wasn’t itt D1 when i started defending her. but i dunno, i feel like if i could find wisdom he should have been able to or at least had more reservations than he did.
even as i say all that, i still don’t get why he would clear cuth as a wolf lol. my thought overnight was he wouldn’t do it unless his teammate was someone deep like vaimes (lol) and he wasn’t concerned that taking cuth out of the PoE would endanger them. it seems so counterintuitive otherwise, like what’s the point? the game is so easy for him if he doesn’t saying anything.
i don’t know lol
overall I'd say outing the clear has been to ladd's advantage, more than being silent would have been. almost everything against him since then has had the caveat of "he did clear cuth tho" attached to it. on d1 ladd was frequently brought up as wolf
are you saying you think, from a balance and design standpoint, our host is treating a killing action the same as a communications action?
and sure, if there's no one to vouch for me tomorrow, that'll fucking suck, but hopefully we hit a wolf today so it wont by mylo, at least!
honestly this is why i kinda wanted to kill manti yesterday and be done with it
cuz every day she is alive will end up being this, torturing us over whether we should believe her increasingly implausible claim
o honestly don’t really wanna deal with it lol
look its not *my* fault i keep randing the implausible roles
in every game i make one of these fucked up claims they turn out to be real!!! its not even my fault atp!!!!
overall I'd say outing the clear has been to ladd's advantage, more than being silent would have been. almost everything against him since then has had the caveat of "he did clear cuth tho" attached to it. on d1 ladd was frequently brought up as wolf
i mean, maybe but if he doesn’t do that i’m pretty sure we would have lunched cuth and wisdom over him still?
i mean, maybe but if he doesn’t do that i’m pretty sure we would have lunched cuth and wisdom over him still?
ye given numbers and the fact that we're a 13er a single clear is pretty big
the worrisome world would be if they're w/w, basically
regardless of alignment, ladd being in the hood is presumably real, though
are you saying you think, from a balance and design standpoint, our host is treating a killing action the same as a communications action?
I generally err toward believing there aren't secret mechanisms at play when abilities flip upon death. generally stands to reason that a time-based or limited-use ability would follow its own rules. thieves/backups getting a recharge is feasible, only recharging a specific thing from a specific role seems less so
i mean, maybe but if he doesn’t do that i’m pretty sure we would have lunched cuth and wisdom over him still?
also if he’s wolves with maple or something, taking cuth out of the PoE just accelerates how fast we kill his teammate even if he ends up looking better
it would be funny if manti constantly yapping about ladd getting NK’d and hard defending him was a prolonged exercise in open wolfing as ladd’s teammate
def possible lol
tbh i’m confused why ladd doesn’t kill me if he’s a wolf though
i feel like he would take the opportunity seeing as i’ve been much more wary of him than vaimes ever was
it’s so rude to leave me alive to embarrass myself after i lunched a wolf D1
I am like 80% sure maple is just a wolf and we should launch her into the sun today and not bother waiting to see what happens with the hypothetical neighbourhood
but admittedly a part of me wanting to push that today is because I'm not sure I believe that she recharges the neighbourizer but not the gun
having a neighbourhood also doesn't matter if the one making it is a wolf, and at best this only verifies that she does steal abilities from dead players. which I still don't think is town-aligned here
it would be funny if manti constantly yapping about ladd getting NK’d and hard defending him was a prolonged exercise in open wolfing as ladd’s teammate
def possible lol
also ladd poopoo’d me questioning manti D1 :curtain:
thinking about cape's overnight post lol
okay new plan
im taking a nap
Sap
Just checking in
I will try to set aside some time this weekend to do a re read
I had more thoughts about my wall post, like mote things to say, but i forgot what they were (sucks to be sick ig)
I wanna reread Maple's EOD
In the meanwhile
Vote: ladd
I think I like killing this over Syn, Syn's response to my "case" on him was kinda weird as I feel kinda meh about it
unvote
i dont ACTUALLY want to kill ladd here
this kinda feels like a town move eod...
mmm I staill maintain that maple had a kinda villagery EOD...
Well, I am hoping for someone to come along to jog my memory on everything else
The bad part about making that overnight post is I feel like I don't really have anything else to say
mmm I staill maintain that maple had a kinda villagery EOD...
i don’t get why
feels like she was only concerned with not dying which honestly is probably NAI for her
maybe i’m being stubborn though
I think I like killing this over Syn, Syn's response to my "case" on him was kinda weird as I feel kinda meh about it
I just liked the chutzpah
I'm fine with a ladd kill as well
maybe one-third of my d1 world can be real
EnderWiggin
01-11-2025, 07:18
I'm gonna take the bold stance that Manti is town.
Mostly because this aligns with the kind of play around having PR/claiming that I used when I was wolf in Tarot to get Manti flipped in F5 to win.
Cuthillius
01-11-2025, 08:19
i looked at the syn posts re:visor and they don't look amazing
vote: syn
also eod was just bad
Cuthillius
01-11-2025, 08:21
i think cape feels like cape's just doing cape stuff
in a kinda villagery way
i have no regrets about last eod but i also think everyone was kinda villagery except manti but i feel like she Feels more villagery than usual from like a way of approaching things
wisdom was reasonable but i would have ~strongly expected any of those three wagons to flip v by the end
flavor
tu sais c'qu'on dit
sois près d'tes amis les plus chers
mais aussi
encore plus près d'tes adversaires
mais ma meilleure ennemie, c'est toi
fuis-moi, le pire, c'est toi et moi
mais si tu cherches encore ma voix
oublie-moi, le pire, c'est toi et moi
pourquoi ton prénom me blesse
ouand il se cache juste là dans l'espace?
c'est quelle émotion, la haine
ou la douceur, quand j'entends ton prénom?
je t'avais dit, ne regarde pas en arrière
votal
ladd - cape
syn - cuth
i think cape feels like cape's just doing cape stuff
in a kinda villagery way
i have no regrets about last eod but i also think everyone was kinda villagery except manti but i feel like she Feels more villagery than usual from like a way of approaching things
wisdom was reasonable but i would have ~strongly expected any of those three wagons to flip v by the end
what is villagery about maple's approach to things
i looked at the syn posts re:visor and they don't look amazing
vote: syn
also eod was just bad
bodes well that the best mustered against me are a handful of shitposts from d1 and being the only one not sleepwalked into a wisdom chop
wisdom was reasonable but i would have ~strongly expected any of those three wagons to flip v by the end
also what kind of nonsense is this. you were the one that came in, broke the three wagons, and then proceeded to kill the switchover and push one of them over anyway
that was not a situation where wisdom had to go, and this is disingenuous where you wash your hands of it while saying you expected them all to be town
I'm gonna take the bold stance that Manti is town.
Mostly because this aligns with the kind of play around having PR/claiming that I used when I was wolf in Tarot to get Manti flipped in F5 to win.
I dont understand the second part who would be the wolves playing around the pr claims like you did in tarot game?
EnderWiggin
01-11-2025, 09:56
I dont understand the second part who would be the wolves playing around the pr claims like you did in tarot game?
I didn't say wolves were playing around it.
I was saying that this is similar to how Maple acted around their PR that, specifically in Tarot, allowed me to garner suspicion against them and get them wagoned.
I didn't say wolves were playing around it.
I was saying that this is similar to how Maple acted around their PR that, specifically in Tarot, allowed me to garner suspicion against them and get them wagoned.
I c
Sorry i misunderstood. Fwiw i do think it feels similar
i have a bit of time now (hopefully). starting to re read from the start
looking back on early pages is fun lmao
vaimes/waza initial discussion and now they were the first 2 nks
I disagree actually, the most interesting thing that happened through that was Cape soft defending you.
Also if that convo was enough for you two to "find" eachother it might just be w/w
i think everyone liked this post at the time but looking back the last line is actually kinda hard to believe, vaimes/waza were 1) very villagery and 2) clearly not w/w
otoh ender starts pretty well read wise:
Vote: Waza
We can't be having consensus town in this town. How dare you be towny.
Vaimes is also in danger of reaching "Too towny". Please keep a watch out for this dangerous individual.
i actually wanted to wolfread syn for v reading me last night but figured i'd sit on it a bit instead and have decided the throwing out of reads (even if jokes) is mildly villagery instead
this overexplained read visor had on syn early have me not w/w vibes
i am on page 5 and syn is already different enough from the wolf games i saw from then and similar to the villa games that i think i will have them as my first lock villager that is not hally
I'm townleaning Maple for being very different from the hydra game we were both in where she was a wolf. Mostly bc there she was hyperfocused on interacting with all the other players trying to be relatable and cute.
this read is...not good imo. Especially given what happened itt villareading maple out of everyone seems incredibly weird and the reasoning is very stretchy
damn the ladd/waza/rask wolfchat must be poppin rn
replace waza with vaimes and you have the team
you are both 0/3
get gud
:curtain:
TOWN:
Vaimes is currently my top town. I would be very surprised if they are wolf here. Decent thoughts, extremely towny posts. I have a couple very minor distrusts such as Vaimes telling Wisdom that reading people off of meta is bad, but then giving self meta on themselves. Also the third point of #57 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861602&viewfull=1#post2053861602) is a tad pingy.
Wisdom is way more towny then usual this game and it's scaring me a little bit. I am very much not a good Wisdom reader, but #76 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861621&viewfull=1#post2053861621) (with the waza/rask comment, the first sentence struck me as very towny)/#80 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861625&viewfull=1#post2053861625) (with the whole Hally comment about townreading her and being thankful about not needing to be paranoid about her)/#81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861626&viewfull=1#post2053861626) (which was Wisdom talking about Syn TR and complementing Vaimes and I also think the Vaimes follow up question (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861632&viewfull=1#post2053861632) was towny from Wisdom).
Hally is extremely towny to me for like the first time ever! I don't see why a mafia bothers saying #70 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861615&viewfull=1#post2053861615) (which was Hally saying that they have been lurking the whole time but also didn't know what to say). I liked Hally's random thoughts wall in #95 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861641&viewfull=1#post2053861641), IMO the towniest thing in the wall is the last thing about ladd townreading waza and the hedgy ramble about that. I find #98 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861644&viewfull=1#post2053861644) (post townreading visor) and #99 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861645&viewfull=1#post2053861645) (hally saying they are washed and they townread rask's #96 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861642&viewfull=1#post2053861642)) both towny too.
That concludes my stronger townreads
I like this post. nothing lack clearing but especially the hally paragraph feels real
I would like to highlight the amazing performance recently in this township of Visor.
Easily the most suspicious person around. Remember, folks, we appreciate wolf-like tendencies here! None of that towny shenanigannery! Co-operation? Eugh.
(Non-silly note: Pretty sure I've played with Vaimes before. Either on bladescape or in KRC or an anon or something. The name just feels familiar. It could be MTG Salvation but I last played on there in like 2014 or so, which feels unlikely lol.)
@Ender I assume this is where you started wolfreading visor, you remember why?
you are both 0/3
get gud
:curtain:
that was a shitpost SMH
Cape90 what happened to your taffy push? sorry if i missed it
I'm weary of basically a specific line from a w!vaines here, but agree that this archetype of "experienced but new player" is tyyyypically >rand v. I think there's a sort of *drama* to how vaimes is posting which i can see as rubbing wolfy, but if you ignore that, the slot is basically ~fine. Pushable, yes, though if I weren't so lazy my push on vaimes would *largely* be to see how like... rask, syn, etc. react more than anything.
Maple what was the specific line from vaimes?
i don’t get how ender popped in, said nothing about who he thinks the wolves are now that his wisdom push ended up wrong, and just town read manti then dipped lol
i have a hard time seeing cape/syn as wolves but maybe i’m getting owned
taffy needs revisiting though
i am on pg.13 where I went to sleep and EoD1 almost starting
i have been treating hally as a confirmed villager so i have skipped their posts ngl
syn just seems so in line with v meta and different from w meta that i dont see them being a wolf but i will keep reading their posts. they pushed bad stuff d1 but i think did so in a believable way
i like taffy a lot less (but they still have some stuff that gives me pause - they put a lot of effort into figuring out which one fo wisdom/rask only for it to turn out v/v), they have original thoughts but they are actually very surface level and they have been objectively been pushing a wolf agenda all of d1
maple has made no ai post so far
ender has been correct in all his reads but mosty shitposted
cape seems more likely to be a villager than not to me (still kinda using at least a bit waza read as a crutch cause cape posting style i find it hard to read into)
i am fairly sure villagers have made >90% of the posts ITT so far
if youre asking me
idk
ender feels a lot different than last game, the post that stands out is the fuckoff huge paragraph about d1 wolfing and shit, ya know the whole "trust tell" thing. Posting feels generally alignment agnostic, which is apparently deliberate
if youre asking on a micro level, i think ender has posted well this game. I dont feel particularly *inspired* by the like... overall body of work, but the posts themselves make word sound good.
so basically
I could go either way :curtains: ( :curtain: ? idk the smilie selector isnt working for me)
brah this is such a weird read on ender, i dont think until this point ender has explained a single post in ww terms other than a huge NAI indicative wall at vaimes
i’m not really confident on anything but i thiiiink cuth/vaimes/cape/syn/taffy should probably all be villas here
we’ll see though lol
i don’t really get how vaimes dies over me if this is a pure villa list
maybe they thought he was more likely pr or i was more likely protected if there’s protection but i dunno
i mean, it’s not crazy he would die since everyone town read him but if my villa list is pure i feel like wolves would perceive me as a bigger threat
Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him
Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v
Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out
vote: ender
:fuel:
finally reached THE post
They've both done a lot more than this, but these particular things they've done make me think there's a wolf between them [ladd note: rask and wisdom]
I was leery of how fast Wisdom's wagon formed too but now you and Cape both starting to push me makes me think she's just a hit
vote: Wisdom
Yeahh, I really dont like these 2 posts, the confidence is extremely weird given the reasoning behind it and the second post with wisdom/visor wagons being close is pretty bad.
also dont like how they ignored the visor post happening on this page and hally going after visor, considering it's the only interesting thing thats happened in the last 10 pages
Now I'm kinda hoping the Visor flashwagon in honour of Wisdom's birthday that Rask predicted actually happens
but I won't be around for it bc I got up early and I have other things to do before I can go to bed
and this is the last post before they go to sleep
You think I've had enough time over christmas and new years to give more than 0 shits about a game I'm not in?
Bruuuuv.
Vote: Visor
I don't remember if I was already voting Visor but I definitely am now.
if someone wants to read into this being w/w or not
i don’t really get how vaimes dies over me if this is a pure villa list
maybe they thought he was more likely pr or i was more likely protected if there’s protection but i dunno
i mean, it’s not crazy he would die since everyone town read him but if my villa list is pure i feel like wolves would perceive me as a bigger threat
i usually joke about this stuff but i unironically wouldnt be surprised if it's to make my mislunch easier, since the wolves obviously need it
we'll find out postgame tho
new page
[4] wisdom - ladd, rask, cuth, taffy
[4] visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
[2] ladd - wisdom, syn
[1] taffy - cape
[1] ender - visor
wagons before wisdom makes their last post and vaimes makes all the mechanicall stuff
atp i think it was actually fairly reasonable to think wisdom could die over visor
Taffy went into indirect shading mode. IDK I'm just that good at catching frozen wolf.
Taffy's recent comment on Visor makes me worried Visor/Wisdom are v/v. Well, or just that Visor is town
Then again Taffy might have spewed Wisdom town too with the slimy looking comment on how me and Hally started pushing them, dismissing a "omg this wagon is building up" paranoia
level of confbias: villagery (probably)
it's funny that cape and taffy are actually the 2 players who seem to be most confident in their wolfreads (wisdom and taffy respectively)
not really all that ??? imo
I don't want visor chopped but it's still in the back of my mind that he once endgamed by relying on being shielded by posts like mine and iirc specifically me as well lol
still think this is a villagery post
4 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
3 wisdom - ladd, raskolnikov, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
1 raskolnikov - cuth
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple
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mmm. Visor not even fighting feels weird for w!Visor.
Am I doubting my read at the 11th hour? Bloody right I am.
Flash wagon time?
i know hally this read too but i genuinely don't get it since obviously he wasnt able to be around as both alignment
it's 1 thing if he was around and posting limp but he just could not post which is as NAI as it gets
cape/ender/taffy has to contain one wolf
i really want some crispy roasted potatoes
this seems like it will end up being correct
I am ~moderately sure Wisdom is town and will only re-evaluate this read on D3 (because then I can bus them)
gonna be funny reading d2 and finding out what changed eheh
and now d1 is over and visor is ded
he flips wolf
idk if i have the time to d2 now but i should be able to read it on Sunday before EoD
vote: Taffy
i’ve been modeling taffy as a player who has weird reads that won’t make sense to me but will be findable off whether it seems like she believes them and whether she’s acting like she knows she’s a villager
kinda similar to michelle in broad strokes
but maybe that’s not the right model? it would help to see any wolf game from her
ladd, why taffy over maple? what do you think of her claim stuff? i guess that’s not really on D1
ladd, why taffy over maple? what do you think of her claim stuff? i guess that’s not really on D1
Cause on d1 taffy seemed to be the wolfiest player
Maple posts on d1 are mostly whatever, with some weird ones mixed in
Their claim (and i am speaking only mechanically wise) seems possible. Assuming they can semi prove it by using the neighbourhood tonight, i think a weak back up existing is reasonable if no other villa pr exists. If there is another pr, id say its too much for what i know of org meta set up wise
i actually like taffy’s D2 posts less than her D1 overall
I don't think it was a viable tactic for wolf!Cape to keep pushing me to save Visor after it became clear I wasn't going to die.
also this kinda resonates with me, as in, it looks more like town frustration to me than like wolf salt.
Otoh voting Visor when he believes wolf!me spewed him town looks the most like a bus. But I'd rather look for non-bussing wolves today, which leads me to thinking it's Syn. Or I'm wrong about Wisdom/Maple. Or the tinfoil world where Rask did shoot me and it's you and Cuth is real.
but then stuff like this doesn’t feel like something a wolf would think to post even though it doesn’t really make sense
i actually like taffy’s D2 posts less than her D1 overall
but then stuff like this doesn’t feel like something a wolf would think to post even though it doesn’t really make sense
Yea they have some lines d1 that give me pause too, i def wished i knew how they wolfed
I remember not liking them opening d2 assuming wagons were w/v cause i mean thry were super confident on wisdom/rask having 1 wolf, rask just died as v and you think the other kne is a villager just cause they were counterwagon to a wolf? Doesnt really track for me
Ender/maple does have some equity too from d1, weird v read from maple on ender and i remember maple defending ender eod2 and now today ender defense of maple
I just found taffy d1 worse but then again ender/maple barely had much going on d1
Yea they have some lines d1 that give me pause too, i def wished i knew how they wolfed
I remember not liking them opening d2 assuming wagons were w/v cause i mean thry were super confident on wisdom/rask having 1 wolf, rask just died as v and you think the other kne is a villager just cause they were counterwagon to a wolf? Doesnt really track for me
Ender/maple does have some equity too from d1, weird v read from maple on ender and i remember maple defending ender eod2 and now today ender defense of maple
I just found taffy d1 worse but then again ender/maple barely had much going on d1
how does taffy this game compare to her org town games? i assume she’s not been much different since you town read her the first two days
of note, ender has played with taffy a lot afaik and seems pretty sure she’s town (unless he changed his read overnight)
how does taffy this game compare to her org town games? i assume she’s not been much different since you town read her the first two days
of note, ender has played with taffy a lot afaik and seems pretty sure she’s town (unless he changed his read overnight)
I only played 1 game with them, i dint think i can really judge their meta
I could give it a read to refresh my mind but i dont have much of a baseline
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 18:55
i still think syn is more in their villa meta and rask agreed
if wisdom is a wolf, they have some like suepr rough posts in their iso lmao but i'd lean them being a villager and i think some of their comments on visor don't look w/w and visor overexplainy early read on syn honestly doesnt really seem w/w wither (bit thin tho)
alrighty, but neither did visor
shrug.jpg
(to be clear i am not like 100% sure wisdom is a wolf at all, but i do think they are the best option for today)
i’m probably being unfair but if i ignore the cuth clear, it’s like…. so easy for me to confbias myself into a wolf read on ladd lmfao
i just don’t like his wisdom push at all? and this isn’t simply hindsight now that she flipped v, i thought that on D1 too. his reasons were just bad imo. very level 0 stuff that i kinda struggle to believe he would buy. maybe i’ll go back and quote what i mean but it felt like he was looking for reasons to call her a wolf, and then D2 he didn’t seem interested in continuing to solve her.
also maybe this is self-centered but i don’t get why he didn’t care about me defending wisdom. i feel like ladd as a villager is very collaborative and takes the reads of other strong players into account but he never seemed curious why i didn’t agree with his push. maybe it’s unfair to expect that because i did say i was fine with wisdom dying D2 and he wasn’t itt D1 when i started defending her. but i dunno, i feel like if i could find wisdom he should have been able to or at least had more reservations than he did.
even as i say all that, i still don’t get why he would clear cuth as a wolf lol. my thought overnight was he wouldn’t do it unless his teammate was someone deep like vaimes (lol) and he wasn’t concerned that taking cuth out of the PoE would endanger them. it seems so counterintuitive otherwise, like what’s the point? the game is so easy for him if he doesn’t saying anything.
i don’t know lol
i think taffy last posts are so out of touch with gamestate they are villagery
how you feeling about taffy and syn?
I only played 1 game with them, i dint think i can really judge their meta
I could give it a read to refresh my mind but i dont have much of a baseline
I'm pretty sure we've played more games on here together than that
You're just not usually alive in them all that long
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 18:57
I had forgotten about the multiquote
It really does hate me
Let me clean that up
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 19:32
This post I quoted bc it pinged me that Ladd answered Hally's question about me and Syn by ignoring me and talking about Wisdom instead
how you feeling about taffy and syn?
i still think syn is more in their villa meta and rask agreed
if wisdom is a wolf, they have some like suepr rough posts in their iso lmao but i'd lean them being a villager and i think some of their comments on visor don't look w/w and visor overexplainy early read on syn honestly doesnt really seem w/w wither (bit thin tho)
But then when I went back later to get Hally's post so I could do the quote-in-quote I did see this one so he didn't confuse "the two town he wanted to misyeet" he just only quoted Hally with the second half of his answer
i think taffy last posts are so out of touch with gamestate they are villagery
He's still townreading Wisdom there but pushes back against Vaimes arguing Wisdom is towny for not seeming to care about self-survival
alrighty, but neither did visor
shrug.jpg
(to be clear i am not like 100% sure wisdom is a wolf at all, but i do think they are the best option for today)
I disagree, if you have reasons to townread someone you thought was a wolf the day before, you should re-eval, not stubbornly push them over anyway over ppl who had a wolfy EoD. And I'm not seeing everybody using Wisdom's townflip as a pivotal part of their solving today. It's nonsense.
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 19:49
Yea they have some lines d1 that give me pause too, i def wished i knew how they wolfed
I remember not liking them opening d2 assuming wagons were w/v cause i mean thry were super confident on wisdom/rask having 1 wolf, rask just died as v and you think the other kne is a villager just cause they were counterwagon to a wolf? Doesnt really track for me
Ender/maple does have some equity too from d1, weird v read from maple on ender and i remember maple defending ender eod2 and now today ender defense of maple
I just found taffy d1 worse but then again ender/maple barely had much going on d1
Like this is so unfair, yes I was convinced D1 that there was a wolf between Wisdom and Rask, but I also had no read on Visor at all. Then he flipped wolf, and I don't think "we flipped a wolf, surely the other wagon was a wolf as well because we're just that good" is normal reasoning. Usually when you flip a wolf the cw is town. Not always, but most of the time. And I thought the way Wisdom talked about Visor D1 wasn't paired. So I changed my mind, and I'm pretty sure I explained why. (and yes if Rask hadn't flipped and without knowing about the desperado shot there's a decent chance I'd have pushed him D2 but shush)
Meanwhile, you've changed your mind about me being towny yesterday despite me not having posted inbetween, based on re-reading, why am I being shaded for not having static reads?!
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 19:51
I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 19:58
I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.
Otoh there's no reason to believe it can't be both.
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 20:03
I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.
Actually I'm wrong Syn isn't voting Ladd at all
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 20:05
Vote: Ladd
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 20:15
even as i say all that, i still don’t get why he would clear cuth as a wolf lol. my thought overnight was he wouldn’t do it unless his teammate was someone deep like vaimes (lol) and he wasn’t concerned that taking cuth out of the PoE would endanger them. it seems so counterintuitive otherwise, like what’s the point? the game is so easy for him if he doesn’t saying anything.
i don’t know lol
My take is that a) you have to do something to look villagery when you're pushing townies and b) Ladd would have had no idea whether or not Cuth might not have gotten feedback about being shot at.
Is this why you originally said Ladd and Cuth could only be wolves together?
This post I quoted bc it pinged me that Ladd answered Hally's question about me and Syn by ignoring me and talking about Wisdom instead
But then when I went back later to get Hally's post so I could do the quote-in-quote I did see this one so he didn't confuse "the two town he wanted to misyeet" he just only quoted Hally with the second half of his answer
He's still townreading Wisdom there but pushes back against Vaimes arguing Wisdom is towny for not seeming to care about self-survival
I disagree, if you have reasons to townread someone you thought was a wolf the day before, you should re-eval, not stubbornly push them over anyway over ppl who had a wolfy EoD. And I'm not seeing everybody using Wisdom's townflip as a pivotal part of their solving today. It's nonsense.
I was talking about syn, not wisdom jn the answer to hally
I never v read wisdom except for early d1
Totally not Taffy
01-11-2025, 20:40
I was talking about syn, not wisdom jn the answer to hally
I never v read wisdom except for early d1
Ohh I misread that second paragraph
I'm going to check that tomorrow though
but for now
Vote: Unvote
Maple what was the specific line from vaimes?
Don't recall the specifics. I made the observation that vaimes seemed like a flashy player and was making himself pushable with that energy. I think the line i was worried about was one where they were conscious of that fact and was using it to stay dynamic or something like that.
My engagement with this game being as low at it is evidently is not helping these thoughts stick in my brain lol
im pretty sure wagons were all village yesterday, and like the absolute lack of ability to cfd fucking blew but whatever, i think syn's eod yesterday was soooo bad and wish we were able to swap there before eod
im pretty frustrated. im concerned that some of my vilalge reads might be wrong, but i liked both cape and ender so far today, but really for selfish reasons. I thinki cape's SoD post is in the realm of prewritten villagery cause its like full of a lot of kinda silly goodies
i think ender is talking about last game in a pretty villagery way
im VERY worried about the possibility of playing out a lylo scenario with hally alive with me, but ye if syn's a hit and i get my role confirmed things look a lot less scary.
and so im conveniently left with a syn-taffy team, which i havent given my typical due diligence. i *want* to put in the work, and make a spreadsheet, and do points, and do all my usual shit but fuck man i cant get myself into this game and i hate that fact. im doomed to become a polarized noob...
My take is that a) you have to do something to look villagery when you're pushing townies and b) Ladd would have had no idea whether or not Cuth might not have gotten feedback about being shot at.
Is this why you originally said Ladd and Cuth could only be wolves together?
i’ve never seen a desperado that gives feedback to the person who was shot and i’m 99% sure ladd would never consider that a possibility
he could maybe think there’s a possibility of an investigative knowing cuth was targeted but even with a result like that nobody could know ladd was the one who was neighborized so it would never come back to him if he didn’t say anything
im pretty sure wagons were all village yesterday, and like the absolute lack of ability to cfd fucking blew but whatever, i think syn's eod yesterday was soooo bad and wish we were able to swap there before eod
im pretty frustrated. im concerned that some of my vilalge reads might be wrong, but i liked both cape and ender so far today, but really for selfish reasons. I thinki cape's SoD post is in the realm of prewritten villagery cause its like full of a lot of kinda silly goodies
i think ender is talking about last game in a pretty villagery way
im VERY worried about the possibility of playing out a lylo scenario with hally alive with me, but ye if syn's a hit and i get my role confirmed things look a lot less scary.
and so im conveniently left with a syn-taffy team, which i havent given my typical due diligence. i *want* to put in the work, and make a spreadsheet, and do points, and do all my usual shit but fuck man i cant get myself into this game and i hate that fact. im doomed to become a polarized noob...
the wolfiest post you've made all game so far
since this is a safe space, I have to say this... I think ladd might be a villager
I think Syn has had two wolfy EoDs but I also want to kill Ladd but Syn is voting Ladd.
Otoh there's no reason to believe it can't be both.
Actually I'm wrong Syn isn't voting Ladd at all
Vote: Ladd
I was talking about syn, not wisdom jn the answer to hally
I never v read wisdom except for early d1
Ohh I misread that second paragraph
I'm going to check that tomorrow though
but for now
Vote: Unvote
this whole thing comes across like fake spontaneous development
im pretty sure wagons were all village yesterday, and like the absolute lack of ability to cfd fucking blew but whatever, i think syn's eod yesterday was soooo bad and wish we were able to swap there before eod
im pretty frustrated. im concerned that some of my vilalge reads might be wrong, but i liked both cape and ender so far today, but really for selfish reasons. I thinki cape's SoD post is in the realm of prewritten villagery cause its like full of a lot of kinda silly goodies
i think ender is talking about last game in a pretty villagery way
im VERY worried about the possibility of playing out a lylo scenario with hally alive with me, but ye if syn's a hit and i get my role confirmed things look a lot less scary.
and so im conveniently left with a syn-taffy team, which i havent given my typical due diligence. i *want* to put in the work, and make a spreadsheet, and do points, and do all my usual shit but fuck man i cant get myself into this game and i hate that fact. im doomed to become a polarized noob...
syn and taffy have been pushing on each other so not sure this works
unrelated
my read on the setup is that we have at least one more PR because waza and rask’s roles don’t feel like enough
it makes no sense to give wolves a vanillizer if they only have to worry about two one-shot roles (one of which is a reflexive roleblock that you can’t vanillize)
there has to another likely multi-shot PR that a vanillizer is meant to counter and manti’s role fits that
basically where i’m at is she’s not on the table unless anyone else wants to claim PR
I want to claim it. it wouldn't be true, but I want to
I will wait until other people comment on the mech
syn and taffy have been pushing on each other so not sure this works
it actually works really well if you don't look at the wolf games where I was busy and instead look at the wolf games where I wasn't, and cruised to victory doing exactly that with my partner(s) all game
that's not what's happening this time though pinky swear
uwu
EnderWiggin
01-11-2025, 22:56
@Ender I assume this is where you started wolfreading visor, you remember why?
There was a Waza/Ladd wolf read that I saw and I remember re-checking both of your posts to see how it came about and just did not believe.
EnderWiggin
01-11-2025, 23:01
i don’t get how ender popped in, said nothing about who he thinks the wolves are now that his wisdom push ended up wrong, and just town read manti then dipped lol
i have a hard time seeing cape/syn as wolves but maybe i’m getting owned
taffy needs revisiting though
I am trying to work out how this game works atm. I am townreading like... 90% of the main POE at this point so I'm either doing something horribly wrong or town is.
Cape is my pet wolfread but there are a few posts/conversations that are making me doubt there. Ladd I have townread but if I'm wrong maybe that's what I'm doing wrong.
Cuth is confirmed town unless exactly w/w with Ladd.
And I have been treating you as town.
Like I'm wrong somewhere. I'm not going to just blindly tunnel Cape after I've been wrong on Wisdom and I townread most of the rest of the game. Because if I'm on the wrong track there's a moderate to decent chance my pet wolfread on Cape is wrong too and tunnelling that is just handing the wolves a free card.
EnderWiggin
01-11-2025, 23:01
I say 90% of the POE but 90% of the game is more like it.
EnderWiggin
01-11-2025, 23:02
My strongest townreads are currently Manti and probably Ladd, though.
EnderWiggin
01-11-2025, 23:04
brah this is such a weird read on ender, i dont think until this point ender has explained a single post in ww terms other than a huge NAI indicative wall at vaimes
I love how I'm catching up and say Manti is probably a stronger townread then read this post and immediately frown at Manti content.
EnderWiggin
01-11-2025, 23:10
I'm swapping Syn into my strongest townreads for X reasons. Mostly because I just believe they're town.
thank you ender very cool
flavor
https://i.imgur.com/4CrrSLO.png
votal
ladd - cape
syn - cuth
taffy - ladd
maple - syn
Cuthillius
01-12-2025, 01:23
bodes well that the best mustered against me are a handful of shitposts from d1 and being the only one not sleepwalked into a wisdom chop
ye instead you sleepwalked into a ladd vote when there was a lot of active discussion and both ladd and manti were around
Cuthillius
01-12-2025, 02:04
My strongest townreads are currently Manti and probably Ladd, though.
this is really funny
and probably a villager???
Cuthillius
01-12-2025, 02:05
vote: taffy
this gives me the least bad feelings at the moment
i'm maybe swinging all the way back around on syn
but who even knows
taffy please give a full reads list with reasons
taffy please give a full reads list with reasons Totally not Taffy
i feel so lost this game, sorry guys
i’m not sure i’m ever going to be able to get myself to vote cape or syn, though i’m open to hearing why i should consider them more
and i don’t think it can be manti unless we have another PR for reasons i explained, so unless someone else claims/flips PR i’m clearing her
cuth is cuth
which leaves me with two wolves in ender/taffy/ladd, all of whom i think work well together as pairs unless i’m forgetting something
taffy has had things i’ve liked and i have a hard time shaking the feeling that she’s a mislunch waiting to happen but her content simply isn’t cutting it the further we get into the game
ender i honestly have no reason to town read and haven’t really thought was villagery at any point but i’m not sure if that’s uncharitable? i can’t really read him tbh
ladd i’ve talked about a lot and feel objectively that i have good reasons to wolf read but i’m not sure i actually ~feel~ it’s true
so that’s where i’m at, but it’s so hard to feel good about anything when the game is so dead and it feels like everyone is more or less posting how i’d expect them to
thoughts/questions/concerns?
im in the same boat
i wish this day was like
120 hours
so i could slank for 72 of them
i feel so lost this game, sorry guys
i’m not sure i’m ever going to be able to get myself to vote cape or syn, though i’m open to hearing why i should consider them more
and i don’t think it can be manti unless we have another PR for reasons i explained, so unless someone else claims/flips PR i’m clearing her
cuth is cuth
which leaves me with two wolves in ender/taffy/ladd, all of whom i think work well together as pairs unless i’m forgetting something
taffy has had things i’ve liked and i have a hard time shaking the feeling that she’s a mislunch waiting to happen but her content simply isn’t cutting it the further we get into the game
ender i honestly have no reason to town read and haven’t really thought was villagery at any point but i’m not sure if that’s uncharitable? i can’t really read him tbh
ladd i’ve talked about a lot and feel objectively that i have good reasons to wolf read but i’m not sure i actually ~feel~ it’s true
so that’s where i’m at, but it’s so hard to feel good about anything when the game is so dead and it feels like everyone is more or less posting how i’d expect them to
thoughts/questions/concerns?
what is your favourite kind of cheese
what is your favourite kind of cheese
maybe a weird answer but i love some gorgonzola cheese on a good salad
https://i.imgur.com/3sR9HDl.png
wolves like things that smell. game solved
https://i.imgur.com/3sR9HDl.png
wolves like things that smell. game solved
it’s italian though so it’s obviously trying to tell you ladd’s a wolf
maybe a weird answer but i love some gorgonzola cheese on a good salad
good on pizza, too
maybe a weird answer but i love some gorgonzola cheese on a good salad
Brah wtf
Brah wtf
….what
i feel like salad topping is its most common usage here
is that wrong lmao
i have to sleep soon and i’m not sure how much i can be around tomorrow
which is unfortunate because i have no idea who i wanna lunch yet lol
but maybe i’ll be hit with some epiphany before i go to sleep
….what
i feel like salad topping is its most common usage here
is that wrong lmao
The problem is the gorgonzola
i didn’t really like taffy’s last stint itt
it felt like she planned that push on ladd but then when ladd corrected her misreading of his post she had no idea what to follow up with and dipped
i dunno, it didn’t fill me with confidence
it’s so hard to read someone that just makes a few posts at a time and then vanishes for like a day, it gives struggling to post vibes but i think it’s not actually unusual for taffy? not sure though
My strongest townreads are currently Manti and probably Ladd, though.
Whats your read on syn?
Whats your read on syn?
tongue kissing
i didn’t really like taffy’s last stint itt
it felt like she planned that push on ladd but then when ladd corrected her misreading of his post she had no idea what to follow up with and dipped
i dunno, it didn’t fill me with confidence
it’s so hard to read someone that just makes a few posts at a time and then vanishes for like a day, it gives struggling to post vibes but i think it’s not actually unusual for taffy? not sure though
Yea activity wise this is not unusual afaict
I mean I am honestly pretty worried cause like even if taffy is a wolf i am not sure who would be the other
Not cape nor syn, who would be both spewed
So like i am left only with maple or ender but if ender is a wolf with taffy today its a peculiar approach (possible tho) and i honestly have doubts manti is a wolf
I will finish my re read in like 12 hours or so and see if i change my mind/find something
i didn’t really like taffy’s last stint itt
it felt like she planned that push on ladd but then when ladd corrected her misreading of his post she had no idea what to follow up with and dipped
i dunno, it didn’t fill me with confidence
it’s so hard to read someone that just makes a few posts at a time and then vanishes for like a day, it gives struggling to post vibes but i think it’s not actually unusual for taffy? not sure though
i’m just wary of dropping my town read on taffy because i feel like it’s gonna end up being wisdom 2.0 and i’ll be kicking myself that i didn’t stick to my guns lmao
but if i was right on her and also syn and cape i should be dead, right? ~:confused:
Yea activity wise this is not unusual afaict
I mean I am honestly pretty worried cause like even if taffy is a wolf i am not sure who would be the other
Not cape nor syn, who would be both spewed
So like i am left only with maple or ender but if ender is a wolf with taffy today its a peculiar approach (possible tho) and i honestly have doubts manti is a wolf
I will finish my re read in like 12 hours or so and see if i change my mind/find something
yeah i don’t really get what ender is doing if he’s a wolf cuz i think his wincon if teamed with taffy is to mislunch you/manti but he came in with you guys as his villa reads and is setting up to push cape who isn’t getting lunched before taffy
i really don’t know man
inb4 cape is having an amazing wolf game
Even if cape is a wolf i still have the same problem cause idt he is with taffy and i mean cape isnt woth ender either from memory (maybe giving d2 push too much not w/w credit tho) so i dunno who could he even be a wolf with
the world if I could town-read maple the way hally and ladd do
https://i.imgflip.com/2ynjel.jpg?a482352
the world if I could town-read maple the way hally and ladd do
https://i.imgflip.com/2ynjel.jpg?a482352
i don’t even town read her, i think she can be anything off posting
but i don’t get what kind of setup it would be with only two PRs
rask’s neighborhood one-shot desperado
waza’s passive reflexive one-shot roleblock
vs.
visor’s vanillizer (for what?)
whatever manti’s role actually is
does this make any sense? we’re missing a PR, no?
the world if I could town-read maple the way hally and ladd do
https://i.imgflip.com/2ynjel.jpg?a482352
I dont think its impossible for them to be a wolf but its a mix of mech and their posts
If maple can confirm their role tonight, it means should they be a wolf that the setup was
1 reflexive rber
Rask role (1 shot desp)
Vs
Vanillizer
Weaker back up
Which seems a bit weird to me (tho in the bavk of mi mynd i have been thinking that gemma last game here was super low on villa power)
Last gemma game was a 13er with only 1 villa pr (1 shot vig) vs 1 wolf pr (1 shot bp giver), i just re checked
I dont think its impossible for them to be a wolf but its a mix of mech and their posts
If maple can confirm their role tonight, it means should they be a wolf that the setup was
1 reflexive rber
Rask role (1 shot desp)
Vs
Vanillizer
Weaker back up
Which seems a bit weird to me (tho in the bavk of mi mynd i have been thinking that gemma last game here was super low on villa power)
i’m just confused why you would give wolves a vanillizer to counter waza’s role which is not a threat and rask’s role which is one shot anyway and seems likely would be used N1?
vanillizer is a powerful town PR counter so i have to think it’s meant to counter more than we have flipped so far?
unless the point of it is simply to punish rask’s role for holstering / vanillize if they choose vengeful
idk
Cuthillius
01-12-2025, 08:07
Last gemma game was a 13er with only 1 villa pr (1 shot vig) vs 1 wolf pr (1 shot bp giver), i just re checked
ye but it wasn't a mash like this one
I don't know. I think even a town!maple feels underpowered for the breadth of visor's role. he was also a role detector or whatever the hell it's called, and he could give his vanilla shot out to other people too
flavor
Amalfitano felt the breeze on his face. He was sweating and the irregular gusts of air dried the little drops of perspiration and occluded his soul. As if I were in Trendelenburg’s study, he thought, as if I were following in Whitehead’s footsteps along the edge of a canal, as if I were approaching Guyau’s sickbed and asking him for advice. What would his response have been? Be happy. Live in the moment. Be good. Or rather: Who are you? What are you doing here? Go away.
votal
taffy - ladd, syn, cuth
ladd - cape
ye but it wasn't a mash like this one
True
I don't know. I think even a town!maple feels underpowered for the breadth of visor's role. he was also a role detector or whatever the hell it's called, and he could give his vanilla shot out to other people too
what is the point of visor's role detector? it's not relevant to any known abilities. if he's targeted by rask's neighbourizer, he already knows what happened. if he gets targeted by the desperado, he's dead. no relevance to waza.
wee woo wee woo wee woo
The funniest world is syn is a wolf and they have been telling us all game
:curtain:
what is the point of visor's role detector? it's not relevant to any known abilities. if he's targeted by rask's neighbourizer, he already knows what happened. if he gets targeted by the desperado, he's dead. no relevance to waza.
wee woo wee woo wee woo
Yea thats a good point
probably not gonna have time to finish re reading but i read Sod2 and my reads are satying the same
I thought the poem was ender's ngl
I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender
I'm not sure that's true (that Ender would've never competed as a wagon) but you're right. I missed that he needed to be voting for one of the tied wagons
I got nothing. sure. let's blow him up
small thing, but i buy this "derp" about visor role
ngl taffy has some sentences (not even full posts) that give me a lot of pause but not sure where else to look atm
kinda got a bad feeling now tho
Slowly making my way through a reread
inb4 cuth/ladd meme world
wasn’t cuth trying to kill ladd yesterday? what happened to that lol
that was a shitpost SMH
Cape90 what happened to your taffy push? sorry if i missed it
I think Taffy is still possible, but I really am not feeling it
Has taffy even commented today? I read everything and don't recall them ever popping in.
Sorry for hardly being here, my sickness made me lose so much WIM but im feeling better :)
Oh yeah, Maple is literally self-confirmable, why have people been stressing me out and making me think otherwise smh
ngl taffy has some sentences (not even full posts) that give me a lot of pause but not sure where else to look atm
kinda got a bad feeling now tho
can you quote some of these sentences?
I'm confused by people saying I am having an amazing game when I really am not, like this is a pretty typical game lolz
I remember this one game on the ORG that actually WAS an amazing game for me where me and Pizza were both town together and we both steamrolled like 2 mafia, pizza got 1 day 1, and he died night 1 I tunneled some other mafia day 2 and died like night 2 or something. That was a fun game, and people were calling both of us obvtown iirc
I think Taffy is still possible, but I really am not feeling it
Has taffy even commented today? I read everything and don't recall them ever popping in.
Sorry for hardly being here, my sickness made me lose so much WIM but im feeling better :)
no worries, glad you’re feeling better
yeah, taffy popped in briefly on the last page
why aren’t you feeling it anymore? not sure what changed
I'm confused by people saying I am having an amazing game when I really am not, like this is a pretty typical game lolz
I remember this one game on the ORG that actually WAS an amazing game for me where me and Pizza were both town together and we both steamrolled like 2 mafia, pizza got 1 day 1, and he died night 1 I tunneled some other mafia day 2 and died like night 2 or something. That was a fun game, and people were calling both of us obvtown iirc
i said it would be an amazing wolf game
if you’re town it’s still TBD :curtain:
Vote:Taffy
I was about to say Taffy had a good pop in, but then I think Syn has a good point #1170 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862726&viewfull=1#post2053862726)
no worries, glad you’re feeling better
yeah, taffy popped in briefly on the last page
why aren’t you feeling it anymore? not sure what changed
Well, at night I reviewed what you all were saying in defense of Taffy, and I did find myself agreeing and thinking that I might have just been in over my head, but I think Syn is town today. I think Taffy/Ender looks viable unless Taffy was trying to distance ladd last pop in, but I found Ender's pop in super underwhelming, it's like he doesn't want to commit to scumreading me today when he felt so confident the other day
wagons before wisdom makes their last post and vaimes makes all the mechanicall stuff
atp i think it was actually fairly reasonable to think wisdom could die over visor
level of confbias: villagery (probably)
it's funny that cape and taffy are actually the 2 players who seem to be most confident in their wolfreads (wisdom and taffy respectively)
still think this is a villagery post
what makes my confidence villagery and Taffy's confidence wolfy?
i know hally this read too but i genuinely don't get it since obviously he wasnt able to be around as both alignment
it's 1 thing if he was around and posting limp but he just could not post which is as NAI as it gets
this seems like it will end up being correct
gonna be funny reading d2 and finding out what changed eheh
and now d1 is over and visor is ded
he flips wolf
idk if i have the time to d2 now but i should be able to read it on Sunday before EoD
vote: Taffy
looking at this, I don't like how much Ender was gassing up his EoD like "oh i was the first to sus Visor" when he clearly got "cold feet" (im confbiasing fake cold feet in this instance) around the Visor wagon.
yall i think im coming down with something blehhhhhhhhhh i hate it here
Totally not Taffy
01-12-2025, 21:45
Hally
Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so
Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.
Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.
Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862388&viewfull=1#post2053862388). His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.
Ender I townread Ender for this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861820&viewfull=1#post2053861820) D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862113&viewfull=1#post2053862113) to wolfreading her (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862300&viewfull=1#post2053862300) for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.
Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862030&viewfull=1#post2053862030) three (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862035&viewfull=1#post2053862035) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862037&viewfull=1#post2053862037) from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862323&viewfull=1#post2053862323) and joined (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862369&viewfull=1#post2053862369) the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862430&viewfull=1#post2053862430) me I'm a wolf, joining (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862551&viewfull=1#post2053862551) the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862617&viewfull=1#post2053862617) on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862364&viewfull=1#post2053862364) thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).
Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861908&viewfull=1#post2053861908) and D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862575&viewfull=1#post2053862575). I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861619&viewfull=1#post2053861619) townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861638&viewfull=1#post2053861638) agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861768&viewfull=1#post2053861768) Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861785&viewfull=1#post2053861785) to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861796&viewfull=1#post2053861796) vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862146&viewfull=1#post2053862146) he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862195&viewfull=1#post2053862195) that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862295&viewfull=1#post2053862295) it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862382&viewfull=1#post2053862382) me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862582&viewfull=1#post2053862582) Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.
And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.
Totally not Taffy
01-12-2025, 21:56
That is pretty much all you're going to get from me though, sorry
Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were
Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were
the one original thought ("I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her") does not parse either, at least FMPOV. if I was going to have a pet villager for the town read equity, surely I would have done more or been more vocal instead of be indignant in a couple posts and then move on. what is the wolf value in how I treated wisdom? no one would say "syn's behaviour around wisdom was really towny" and I haven't once pointed to someone's treatment of wisdom as a reason to wolf-read them, so if this was some wolf plan using TMI, I can't at all see what the intended result would be
Hally
Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so
Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.
Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.
Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862388&viewfull=1#post2053862388). His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.
Ender I townread Ender for this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861820&viewfull=1#post2053861820) D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862113&viewfull=1#post2053862113) to wolfreading her (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862300&viewfull=1#post2053862300) for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.
Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862030&viewfull=1#post2053862030) three (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862035&viewfull=1#post2053862035) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862037&viewfull=1#post2053862037) from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862323&viewfull=1#post2053862323) and joined (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862369&viewfull=1#post2053862369) the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862430&viewfull=1#post2053862430) me I'm a wolf, joining (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862551&viewfull=1#post2053862551) the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862617&viewfull=1#post2053862617) on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862364&viewfull=1#post2053862364) thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).
Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861908&viewfull=1#post2053861908) and D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862575&viewfull=1#post2053862575). I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861619&viewfull=1#post2053861619) townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861638&viewfull=1#post2053861638) agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861768&viewfull=1#post2053861768) Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861785&viewfull=1#post2053861785) to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861796&viewfull=1#post2053861796) vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862146&viewfull=1#post2053862146) he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862195&viewfull=1#post2053862195) that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862295&viewfull=1#post2053862295) it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862382&viewfull=1#post2053862382) me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862582&viewfull=1#post2053862582) Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.
And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.
So today I tried pushing ladd over you and in my SoD post had the same general Syn and Ladd suspicions that you have... and it didn't move the needle for you?
Hally
Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so
Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.
Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.
Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862388&viewfull=1#post2053862388). His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.
Ender I townread Ender for this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861820&viewfull=1#post2053861820) D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862113&viewfull=1#post2053862113) to wolfreading her (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862300&viewfull=1#post2053862300) for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.
Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862030&viewfull=1#post2053862030) three (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862035&viewfull=1#post2053862035) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862037&viewfull=1#post2053862037) from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862323&viewfull=1#post2053862323) and joined (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862369&viewfull=1#post2053862369) the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862430&viewfull=1#post2053862430) me I'm a wolf, joining (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862551&viewfull=1#post2053862551) the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862617&viewfull=1#post2053862617) on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862364&viewfull=1#post2053862364) thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).
Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861908&viewfull=1#post2053861908) and D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862575&viewfull=1#post2053862575). I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861619&viewfull=1#post2053861619) townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861638&viewfull=1#post2053861638) agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861768&viewfull=1#post2053861768) Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861785&viewfull=1#post2053861785) to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861796&viewfull=1#post2053861796) vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862146&viewfull=1#post2053862146) he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862195&viewfull=1#post2053862195) that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862295&viewfull=1#post2053862295) it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862382&viewfull=1#post2053862382) me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862582&viewfull=1#post2053862582) Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.
And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.
Also, exactly like what?
Totally not Taffy
01-12-2025, 22:20
Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were
Imagine if I didn't add the links then the inevitable follow-up question is just "can you show me posts for what you're talking about here"
but nice shading
Ender I townread Ender for this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861820&viewfull=1#post2053861820) D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862113&viewfull=1#post2053862113) to wolfreading her (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862300&viewfull=1#post2053862300) for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.
the bolded is a wild read
parses as possibly villagery and not w/w with ender?
Totally not Taffy
01-12-2025, 22:23
So today I tried pushing ladd over you and in my SoD post had the same general Syn and Ladd suspicions that you have... and it didn't move the needle for you?
That's really not how I read your post. To me it's more like you're stream-of-conscious detailing your struggle to decide between us
Imagine if I didn't add the links then the inevitable follow-up question is just "can you show me posts for what you're talking about here"
but nice shading
reading the second half of my question would probably make it clear that I wasn't shading the links but rather the simple reporting of what happened
Totally not Taffy
01-12-2025, 22:28
Also, exactly like what?
Hally's overall posts, solvy and villagery. But can I pick out three that explain why? No.
And that's exactly the impression I had when she was wolfing, even with host tmi
I don't know what else to tell you
i really don’t know lmao
vote: ender
i’m just doing this
he isn’t villagery and his turnaround on wisdom was stinky poo poo
EnderWiggin
01-12-2025, 23:23
Well, at night I reviewed what you all were saying in defense of Taffy, and I did find myself agreeing and thinking that I might have just been in over my head, but I think Syn is town today. I think Taffy/Ender looks viable unless Taffy was trying to distance ladd last pop in, but I found Ender's pop in super underwhelming, it's like he doesn't want to commit to scumreading me today when he felt so confident the other day
At what point have I been afraid of pushing a scumread as mafia even against consensus?
Like ignoring meta on me, what would be the point in me not just pushing my scumread on you if I was wolf?
The short answer to all this of course is I honestly haven't been sure where your partner is after rereading. But that's the town reason.
looking at this, I don't like how much Ender was gassing up his EoD like "oh i was the first to sus Visor" when he clearly got "cold feet" (im confbiasing fake cold feet in this instance) around the Visor wagon.
I was gassing up my start of day/mid of day. My end of day was poopoo. Also by that point as wolf getting "Cold feet" is pointless unless another wagon has momentum and there wasn't another wagon with momentum.
----
I'll be honest, I'm kinda lost.
I keep spinning around who I think is wolfy. Syn/Ladd/Taffy/Maple all have reasons for me to townread them. And I don't think I'm wrong on 2.
Hally has that immediate attack on Visor and good posting.
Cape I obviously wolfread but I need to work out where I'm messing up.
EnderWiggin
01-12-2025, 23:23
well that's boring
Try not being boring.
flavor
FOR EFRAÍN HUERTA
I’d like to write lighthearted things for you.
We’re up to our necks in
catastrophes and petty sadness. Not images,
maybe lips, hair, and a girl who plays
with a doctor’s bag. I don’t know, Efraín,
what the heck to say now that I’m thinking
of you. It wasn’t just your kindness that helped me; but also
that sort of inscrutable honor, the ease with which
you leaned against the window of your apartment
to observe, in a t-shirt, the Mexican
sunset, while at your back the poets
drank tequila and spoke in whispers.
votal
taffy - ladd, cuth
ender - hally, syn
ladd - cape
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