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Hally
01-07-2025, 01:08
I'm in danger of dying? Lol
he really posted this and dipped lmao

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:10
this eod would be funnier if ladd was a leading wagon still

anyone wanna make that happen?

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:10
so wisdom is either exactly wolves with visor, or she's just a villager

that's actually really valuable

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:10
he really posted this and dipped lmao

2025 nl ??

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:11
2025 nl ??

(pensive emoji)

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:11
so wisdom is either exactly wolves with visor, or she's just a villager

that's actually really valuable

hows that work?

i understand you made the post above, but i'd like you to talk through the line

(i understand what the line is but im never all that big on these sorts of reads, especialyl when theyre about the two lead wagons)

Hally
01-07-2025, 01:12
honestly the best reason to town read visor might be that i’m not sure he could allow himself to so thoroughly mail it in as a wolf and not even attempt to survive for his team

feel like he’s too good for that

but i don’t know why he would be like this as a villager either, he’s not really a try hard anymore but i don’t think i’ve ever seen him care so little about a game

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:13
turbo ass eod1

someone's gonna go over with 3 total votes on them i can feel it

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:13
so wisdom is either exactly wolves with visor, or she's just a villager

that's actually really valuable

actually disagree on this but if u wanna go preflip conditionnal lolread, be my guest. it has never backfired.

Syn
01-07-2025, 01:15
actually disagree on this but if u wanna go preflip conditionnal lolread, be my guest. it has never backfired.

strange energy in this post

taking a screenshot with my mind

Syn
01-07-2025, 01:16
this eod would be funnier if ladd was a leading wagon still

anyone wanna make that happen?

vote: ladd

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:16
hows that work?

i understand you made the post above, but i'd like you to talk through the line

(i understand what the line is but im never all that big on these sorts of reads, especialyl when theyre about the two lead wagons)

there are four mechanical possibilities

w!wisdom + w!visor
w!wisdom + v!visor
v!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + v!visor

if wisdom is a wolf and visor is a villager, she's basically throwing. so that world doesn't exist, as far as i'm concerned

w!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + v!visor

that means the only world for wisdom to be a wolf is the one where she doesn't want to vote her buddy visor

in all other worlds, she's a villager. visor can still be either alignment

these wagons are basically a cop check on wisdom, unless i'm bigtime derping somewhere

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:16
honestly the best reason to town read visor might be that i’m not sure he could allow himself to so thoroughly mail it in as a wolf and not even attempt to survive for his team

feel like he’s too good for that

but i don’t know why he would be like this as a villager either, he’s not really a try hard anymore but i don’t think i’ve ever seen him care so little about a game

idk if you were in specchat at the time, but i believe it was during hydras? after?

there was a big convo between like

me nl lissa gh + a few others wherein nl talked about Cycle of Werewolf type shit

so im honestly not all that surprised by this regardless of alignment esp w/ the game start being delayed by like a month

its pretty unfortunate cause i really like playing with nl, and he's generally someone who i can work with really well and is generally v fun to have around

so i was REALLY hoping he'd do enough to keep himself alive here and maybe give me a bit to work with

but it is what it is

im really annoyed with the game so far, especially going into eod like this with the wagon dynamics that we have . i imagine this is going to be a VERY boring time

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:18
strange energy in this post

taking a screenshot with my mind

nah, it's just you get the logic, if they are ww, might as well send the other deep if one flips red on D1. But then assuming they are exactly together or Wisdom is just villa out of this post, ignoring the rest of the day, seems like a stretch to me, and not a good idea to me.

but I won't fight it more than that. I can totally see it ww anyway so like y

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:19
there are four mechanical possibilities

w!wisdom + w!visor
w!wisdom + v!visor
v!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + v!visor

if wisdom is a wolf and visor is a villager, she's basically throwing. so that world doesn't exist, as far as i'm concerned

w!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + v!visor

that means the only world for wisdom to be a wolf is the one where she doesn't want to vote her buddy visor

in all other worlds, she's a villager. visor can still be either alignment

these wagons are basically a cop check on wisdom, unless i'm bigtime derping somewhere

ye the general issue with these sorts of lines is a couple things

1) wolves can paint themselves into worlds where they have to take specific actions or w/e
2) wolves can attempt to look like they are unbothered or uncaring of things by trying to push a third wagon for a *lot* of reasons

so while i do generally ~like these sorts of reads, and i think the conclusion youve drawn is probably ~fine, i think the application here doesnt really work because there isnt aaaaaaactually threat of death yet, and wisdom could have /would have still had PLENTY of time to selfprez. Like sure. If you made this post after a nl yeet and wisdom cw and wisdom was off wagon and no one had talked about this yet?

yeah, i'd agree with you

but you REALLY jumped the gun on this sort of line, and its always best to leave vca for the next day when it comes to this kinda thing

i know i will most certainly be posting a few essays on wagonomics after today!

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:19
i mean

it is entirely possible that w!wisdom isn't voting v!visor. i would not be happy to be on the wolfteam in that scenario

so i'm treating it like it doesn't exist

if wisdom is a wolf in any team that doesn't include visor, she always votes him here

so it's not possible for her to be scum, unless she's exactly with visor

am i making sense

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:20
there are four mechanical possibilities

w!wisdom + w!visor
w!wisdom + v!visor
v!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + v!visor

if wisdom is a wolf and visor is a villager, she's basically throwing. so that world doesn't exist, as far as i'm concerned

w!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + v!visor

that means the only world for wisdom to be a wolf is the one where she doesn't want to vote her buddy visor

in all other worlds, she's a villager. visor can still be either alignment

these wagons are basically a cop check on wisdom, unless i'm bigtime derping somewhere

ok u were allready outed as spammer.

but you are actually a bot lol.

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:21
there are four mechanical possibilities

w!wisdom + w!visor
w!wisdom + v!visor
v!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + v!visor

if wisdom is a wolf and visor is a villager, she's basically throwing. so that world doesn't exist, as far as i'm concerned

w!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + w!visor
v!wisdom + v!visor

that means the only world for wisdom to be a wolf is the one where she doesn't want to vote her buddy visor

in all other worlds, she's a villager. visor can still be either alignment

these wagons are basically a cop check on wisdom, unless i'm bigtime derping somewhere

ok u were allready outed as spammer.

but you are actually a bot lol.

you derping possibility is hiding somewhere behind the line "it's actually silly human beings playing".

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:22
sorry if i got too excited

you're right i should've saved it til at least the next day

i kind of let my brain run away

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:22
You have my interest here though. Do you often focus on this sort of things in games? Does it generally work?

Its a very much vc-based read. You a wagonomics reader?

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:23
well since i puked that up, i'm committed to flipping visor, so that's something

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:26
You have my interest here though. Do you often focus on this sort of things in games? Does it generally work?

Its a very much vc-based read. You a wagonomics reader?

i play around with it

does it work? sometimes. but that's just me being bad. it's still read-dependent

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:27
would have preferred eod being like

2 hours earlier

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:27
well since i puked that up, i'm committed to flipping visor, so that's something

actually u have a point here. not sure I have the balls though. I have roughly 30 minutes to find them.

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:28
i play around with it

does it work? sometimes. but that's just me being bad. it's still read-dependent

for the majority of people it's <rand, sadly

its fun though!

the denny's read will never not be an effective means of reading people

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:28
@Cuth: why are you voting me? any idea?

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:31
as much as it pains me to admit, rask and hally seem fine this eod

Hally
01-07-2025, 01:33
as much as it pains me to admit, rask and hally seem fine this eod
i’m sorry i let you down

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:35
yeah i don't see any downsides to this?

visor's flip giving info on wisdom is pretty thumbs-up, considering he doesn't have much content himself

and if wisdom slides in to vote visor at the last minute, then she's probably just a wolf

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:37
4 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
3 wisdom - ladd, rask, taffy
1 ladd - syn
1 rask - cuth
1 ladd - wisdom
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple

EnderWiggin
01-07-2025, 01:37
4 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
3 wisdom - ladd, raskolnikov, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
1 raskolnikov - cuth
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple

---

mmm. Visor not even fighting feels weird for w!Visor.

Am I doubting my read at the 11th hour? Bloody right I am.

EnderWiggin
01-07-2025, 01:38
4 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
3 wisdom - ladd, rask, taffy
1 ladd - syn
1 rask - cuth
1 ladd - wisdom
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple

I appreciate the two lines of "1 ladd". :bow:

Syn
01-07-2025, 01:38
these wagons are basically a cop check on wisdom, unless i'm bigtime derping somewhere

killing someone does tend to reveal their alignment yes

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:39
yeah i don't see any downsides to this?

visor's flip giving info on wisdom is pretty thumbs-up, considering he doesn't have much content himself

and if wisdom slides in to vote visor at the last minute, then she's probably just a wolf

okay but like

you have put all this out there and it has been observed

so its all a wash anyway

like, visor dies and do we *really* get any info out of that?

so this isn't actually real in the slightest

just kill nl for being lacking not posting content and not saving himself, dont try to make it an infoyeet when its just a normal ass d1 kill lol

Syn
01-07-2025, 01:41
mmm. Visor not even fighting feels weird for w!Visor.

Am I doubting my read at the 11th hour? Bloody right I am.

blease like three other people already had this arc

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:42
can we get one of the wagons up to 6 so there's forced competition? im very uncomfortable being on 4-3

i also dont even think people are all that serious about these wagons, and think cuth would be a GREAT cw

Syn
01-07-2025, 01:42
let's do a three-way guys. we have the technology

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:43
as much as it pains me to admit, rask and hally seem fine this eod

I am stockpiling wolfy nuggets just to unleash them at Syn's face at EOD minus 1. stay tuned.

EnderWiggin
01-07-2025, 01:43
blease like three other people already had this arc

https://y.yarn.co/d684a7e4-79ca-4e6e-87c4-dc004496f9b3_text.gif

just like this forum

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:44
let's do a three-way guys. we have the technology

sounding french suddenly

Cape90
01-07-2025, 01:47
Wow nobody listened to me what a surprise

Welp I guess I just sit here and hope I am wrong in my Taffy logic.

Might vote Visor for the simple reason stated by Vaimes earlier, even if it is a doomerish look on Visor

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:47
vote: Visor

sorry breaunana

Dels
01-07-2025, 01:50
5 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes, raskolnikov
2 wisdom - ladd, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
1 raskolnikov - cuth
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple

10 minutes

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:50
let me reread that post from wisdom. I'd hate to be bamboolized by Vaimes, hallys, or Maples

EnderWiggin
01-07-2025, 01:52
Flash wagon time?

Syn
01-07-2025, 01:54
i want to speak with the manager

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:55
on cuth?

Cape90
01-07-2025, 01:55
Flash wagon time?
It's always flash wagon time as long as you vote ur wolf partner Taffy with me

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:55
okay but like

you have put all this out there and it has been observed

so its all a wash anyway

like, visor dies and do we *really* get any info out of that?

so this isn't actually real in the slightest

just kill nl for being lacking not posting content and not saving himself, dont try to make it an infoyeet when its just a normal ass d1 kill lol

i think you're wrong

HOWEVER. i just came up with a scenario where she could be a wolf and visor is a villager and her actions still make sense, but that scenario isn't happening rn so... i will choose to believe my own delusions For Now

Cuthillius
01-07-2025, 01:55
oh my god i took a nap and woke up like ten minutes ago and the internet was like haha i'm going to use some rude language the org moderation would not approve of

Hally
01-07-2025, 01:56
i’m getting a weird feeling this EoD that i could be misclearing vaimes but it might be the sleep deprivation talking

not sure i could even explain why but it kinda feels like he’s trying too hard to make posts that a Nice Villager would make

not a problem for right now obviously but i think it’s worth going back over his posts to make sure he’s getting cleared for having villagery thoughts as opposed to just being active with good toan

Cuthillius
01-07-2025, 01:56
Flash wagon time?

sure!

vote: ender

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:56
meow meow

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:56
i am begging y'all not to flashwagon. that is the opposite of what should happen here

Dels
01-07-2025, 01:56
5 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes, raskolnikov
2 wisdom - ladd, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
2 ender - visor, cuth
1 taffy - cape
1 cuth - maple

Cuthillius
01-07-2025, 01:57
i am begging y'all not to flashwagon. that is the opposite of what should happen here

so you're saying we should all unvote but really quickly?

Cape90
01-07-2025, 01:58
I have been looking over Wisdom and there are small things I do think they are towny for their if I'm a top wagon day 1 comment I'm town comment just because it's kinda lolz

Vaimes
01-07-2025, 01:58
i’m getting a weird feeling this EoD that i could be misclearing vaimes but it might be the sleep deprivation talking

not sure i could even explain why but it kinda feels like he’s trying too hard to make posts that a Nice Villager would make

not a problem for right now obviously but i think it’s worth going back over his posts to make sure he’s getting cleared for having villagery thoughts as opposed to just being active with good toan

you're the one that flipped me onto killing visor here lmao

Maple
01-07-2025, 01:58
i’m getting a weird feeling this EoD that i could be misclearing vaimes but it might be the sleep deprivation talking

not sure i could even explain why but it kinda feels like he’s trying too hard to make posts that a Nice Villager would make

not a problem for right now obviously but i think it’s worth going back over his posts to make sure he’s getting cleared for having villagery thoughts as opposed to just being active with good toan

im once again annoyed at the lack of a real EoD

but is what it is

hopefully this is a hit and we just go next

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 01:58
I could see w!wisdom posting that as last post in the hope town does the dirty work and yeet v!Visor but that's still more likely to be v!Wisdom givin up on loltown (I think she did exactly the same in the game she was chopped D1 as villa last year. hmm maybe that's the devil plan dunno). still occam razor makes me think it's more likely to be what Vaimes is saying.

also a bit puzzled by Maple asking for more votes on Visor while staying on their cute vanity wagon (cuth lol).

geez

EnderWiggin
01-07-2025, 01:58
It's always flash wagon time as long as you vote ur wolf partner Taffy with me

I bus on D3 only.

Cape90
01-07-2025, 01:59
I have been looking over Wisdom and there are small things I do think they are towny for their if I'm a top wagon day 1 comment I'm town comment just because it's kinda lolz

Also some of Wisdom's abrasiveness I find like mildly towny

Hally
01-07-2025, 01:59
i feel like i should switch because i kinda think visor is more likely to respond this way as a villager who just cbf dealing with pressure as opposed to a wolf who gave up on his team

but i don’t know where to go lol

Cuthillius
01-07-2025, 01:59
cape/ender/taffy has to contain one wolf

i really want some crispy roasted potatoes

EnderWiggin
01-07-2025, 02:00
I am ~moderately sure Wisdom is town and will only re-evaluate this read on D3 (because then I can bus them)

Cape90
01-07-2025, 02:00
Vote: Visor

Sorry bronana

Maple
01-07-2025, 02:00
glgl

EnderWiggin
01-07-2025, 02:00
i feel like i should switch because i kinda think visor is more likely to respond this way as a villager who just cbf dealing with pressure as opposed to a wolf who gave up on his team

but i don’t know where to go lol

Same

Syn
01-07-2025, 02:00
death comes for us all

Raskolnikov
01-07-2025, 02:00
glglgl

Hally
01-07-2025, 02:00
welp not confident here

siw

Gemma
01-07-2025, 02:05
votal eod

6 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes, rask, cape
2 wisdom - ladd, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
2 ender - visor, cuth
1 cuth - maple

visor yeeted flip incoming

Gemma
01-07-2025, 02:13
Visor was:
Wide Willem Kinski

You are Mafia. Your partners are x and x. You have been cordially invited to join the wolfchat: x (you will accept, of course)

You're doubly unhinged, but you have memorable eyebrows, succulent vocals, and maybe even an overlarge dick. How will you abuse this finery?

You have the following abilities:
- Memorable eyebrows: The first time you are affected by a night action, learn what type of action it was (e.g., “You were targeted by a killing action.”)
- Succulent vocals: On day 1, if leading wagons are tied, the wagon you are voting for will be yeeted (must be a leading wagon, your ability will not be made public)
- Maybe even an overlarge dick: On odd nights, you may target a player to either Vanillaize them or give them a Vanillaizer shot (your choice). Vanillaizer: target a player to turn them into a Vanilla role

You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.


Night 1 started, please submit your night actions at least 1 hour before deadline.

Gemma
01-08-2025, 01:59
flavor

And suddenly, in less time than it takes to say “otherness,” we were drunk and Ulises Lima was reciting a poem in French, what in the world for I don’t know, but he was reciting it, I didn’t realize he spoke French, English, maybe, I think I’d seen a translation of his somewhere of Richard Brautigan, a terrible poet, or John Giorno, whoever he is, maybe a stand-in for Lima himself, but French? that surprised me a little. Good enunciation, passable pronunciation, and the poem, how to put it, sounded familiar, very familiar, but because of my increasing drunkenness or the relentless boleros I couldn’t identify it. I thought of Claudel, but none of us can imagine Lima reciting Claudel, can we? I thought of Baudelaire, I thought of Catulle Mendès (some of whose texts I translated for a university journal), I thought of Nerval. Ashamed as I am to admit it, those were the names that came to mind. In my defense I should say that soon, through the haze of alcohol, I asked myself what Nerval could possibly have in common with Mendès, and then I thought of Mallarmé. Alberto, who must have been playing the same game, said: Baudelaire. It wasn’t Baudelaire, of course. Here’s the poem. Let’s see if you can guess:

Mon triste coeur bave à la poupe,
Mon coeur couvert de caporal:
Ils y lancent des jets de soupe,
Mon triste coeur bave à la poupe:
Sous les quolibets de la troupe
Qui pousse un rire général,
Mon triste coeur bave à la poupe,
Mon coeur couvert de caporal!

Ithyphalliques et pioupiesques
Leurs quolibets l’ont dépravé!
Au gouvernail on voit des fresques
Ithyphalliques et pioupiesques.
Ô flots abracadabrantesques,
Prenez mon coeur, qu’il soit lavé!
Ithyphalliques et pioupiesques
Leurs quolibets l’ont dépravé

Quand ils auront tari leurs chiques,
Comment agir, ô coeur volé?
Ce seront des hoquets bachiques
Quand ils auront tari leurs chiques:
J’aurai des sursauts stomachiques,
Moi, si mon coeur est ravalé:
Quand ils auront tari leurs chiques
Comment agir, ô coeur volé?

Gemma
01-08-2025, 02:03
Rask died! He was:
Beloved friend of Iñaki

You are Town.

Iñaki Echevarne is a shark. Is he a bad critic? No, he’s a good critic, or at least he isn’t a bad critic, no, no, he's very good, but he’s a fucking shark.

You have the following abilities:
Hello, at least: On days 1 and 2, you may target a player to form a neighborhood with them during the next night phase.

I don’t know which of us killed the other: If you successfully convince a player to make a genuine role claim to you in the neighborhood chat without mentioning this aspect of your role (or if they claim unprompted), the following happens instead:
Your role deactivates
You receive one Desperado or Vengeful nightvig of your choosing.

If you have not gained the nightvig by day 3 you will get it night 3 for free.

You may use the shot as soon as you get it or holster it.

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

Waza died! He was:
Fiery eyed Mrs Bubis

You are Town.

Her no came as a slight shake of the head that made them abruptly aware of the futility of their plea.

You roleblock the first person in the game to target you with a night action (factional kill excepted). You are notified the night after this happens.

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.


Someone published a poem: (this is not flavor or mod communication)

Visor falling, losing, dying
Lost that mojo he cherished dear
Not even voting, disgracing
Now his team must cry and jeer
Australian borne, once a great
American bound, now a fake
Polarized noob, dying with ease
I'm sorry bruv to watch you freeze


It's day 2, you may post.

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 02:05
well rask was definitely a vig shot

rip my husband

Syn
01-08-2025, 02:05
never in doubt

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 02:07
first off, i want to apologize for my blackout levels of insanity yesterday. i'm just glad something good came out of it

second:

0
I don't have much faith that a wolf yeets today but I still think there are wolves in ladd/visor/maple

Waza
Hally
Taffy
Cape
Rask
Vaimes
Syn
---------
Ender
Visor/Maple/Cuth
---------
Ladd

My meta is quite easy really- If I'm top wagon d1 I'm town

Sorry for not being in a state where I can fight getting yeeted, getting shrugyeeted isn't really my standard but I guess that's where we are in this gamestate.

I don't have the capacity to case people but I'm quite confident that Waza is just town, and I'm willing to trust his Cape read. Can't bet the game on anything else, sadly. Even ladd's got a few towny posts and even though it's a waste to yeet me I'm also too much of a softheart to push Cuth/Maple/Visor when they haven't really started.

Last time I saw Visor wolf he afk'd all days and went ham during EoD to survive, just... keep that in mind.

i still don't understand why wisdom refuses to vote for visor, but then tacks on a "oh btw he can totally be inactive scum" tidbit right at the end unless she's just flat-out his partner and this was just a shitty day 1 for the wolfteam

Hally
01-08-2025, 02:08
um ok

i hope neither of those are vig shots, they were my top villagers

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 02:09
i didn't look at the roles first, but

waza was deffo the mafia kill

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 02:09
um ok

i hope neither of those are vig shots, they were my top villagers

congratulations you are now my top townread

fly, my pretty

Cuthillius
01-08-2025, 02:11
and they say mafia is inherently probabilistic

Hally
01-08-2025, 02:38
well um, i don’t wanna make the vig feel like shit but my WIM kinda tanked seeing that shot

i guess i didn’t realize rask was actually that wolf read or i would have been more forceful expressing my town read there

just kind of shocked tbh

Cuthillius
01-08-2025, 02:42
well it's good we hit a wolf n1 we're in a chill spot

do you strongly v-read cape and if so why

Hally
01-08-2025, 02:42
i feel like i learned basically nothing from lunching visor even though he flipped wolf

can’t really gauge what went down without knowing wisdom’s alignment, she would have been a good vig shot despite my personal hesitation there just to resolve the counterwagon

Cuthillius
01-08-2025, 02:43
*day 1

Hally
01-08-2025, 02:46
lmao rask actually had a good role too, didn’t even realize

please let it be extra wolf kp

Hally
01-08-2025, 02:48
well it's good we hit a wolf n1 we're in a chill spot

do you strongly v-read cape and if so why
he seems like a villager, yeah

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 02:49
i feel like i learned basically nothing from lunching visor even though he flipped wolf

can’t really gauge what went down without knowing wisdom’s alignment, she would have been a good vig shot despite my personal hesitation there just to resolve the counterwagon

do you think all the people who made noise about flashwagoning or moving their eod votes are villagers?

Hally
01-08-2025, 02:49
cuth if you’re a villager and can become villagery today that would be extraordinarily helpful

probably gonna have to lunch you otherwise

Hally
01-08-2025, 02:51
do you think all the people who made noise about flashwagoning or moving their eod votes are villagers?
who are you asking about in particular? i don’t wanna go look

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 02:52
i feel like i learned basically nothing from lunching visor even though he flipped wolf

can’t really gauge what went down without knowing wisdom’s alignment, she would have been a good vig shot despite my personal hesitation there just to resolve the counterwagon

i'm ready to kill wisdom whenever tbh

razor suggests she didn't want to vote her buddy

by all rights she should've been vigged

(other option is she's a v who felt bad for voting a low-poster, but i hate that)

ladd
01-08-2025, 02:53
Sap just quickly popping in to say i was in chat with rask and we desperado shot cuth (hence why rask is ded) who is now clear

Read rask role

Back to sleep

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 02:54
who are you asking about in particular? i don’t wanna go look

well, even if i gave you names you'd have to go back to look at context :V

forget i asked

i'll come back tomorrow after the euros have stacked up a page or two

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 02:56
Sap just quickly popping in to say i was in chat with rask and we desperado shot cuth (hence why rask is ded) who is now clear

Read rask role

Back to sleep

that is very interesting and helpful thank u

kind of ruins my vig soulread tho u_u

Hally
01-08-2025, 02:56
Sap just quickly popping in to say i was in chat with rask and we desperado shot cuth (hence why rask is ded) who is now clear

Read rask role

Back to sleep
oh, i misread the role and thought rask targets someone N1 and gets a hood with them N2 but that makes more sense

i feel better now lol

congrats cuth

ladd
01-08-2025, 02:58
With rask we were at basically same PoE as d1 except hally is a villager and we kinds feel taffy/cape could have a wolf (rask liked taffy second half less iirc)

Ender i thinkkkk is a villager cause visor suicided with that push. tho had a weird eod

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 03:01
could someone talk about their w!cape read? i see it floating around a lot but not with a lot of other words attached

i know cuth said something similiar. like ender/maple/cape? has one wolf

Hally
01-08-2025, 03:04
With rask we were at basically same PoE as d1 except hally is a villager and we kinds feel taffy/cape could have a wolf (rask liked taffy second half less iirc)

Ender i thinkkkk is a villager cause visor suicided with that push. tho had a weird eod
i considered during the night whether the ender/visor stuff could have been some planned bus where visor didn’t wanna play so he told ender he was gonna bs a push on him so ender could be spewed and get some cred

normally i wouldn’t entertain something like this but visor’s post about ender was just… so bizarre and it being a plan helps rationalize why visor didn’t fight his lunch at all

but anyway, just a tinfoil for now

Hally
01-08-2025, 03:07
now that cuth’s clear my mind goes to resolving wisdom or maybe looking at maple or taffy

but i’m just gonna lurk and see what you guys do :curtain:

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 03:08
it's not that crazy of a tinfoil. i also played with the idea that visor died with some sort of plan in place

better than thinking he just gave up or w/e

ladd
01-08-2025, 03:09
i considered during the night whether the ender/visor stuff could have been some planned bus where visor didn’t wanna play so he told ender he was gonna bs a push on him so ender could be spewed and get some cred

normally i wouldn’t entertain something like this but visor’s post about ender was just… so bizarre and it being a plan helps rationalize why visor didn’t fight his lunch at all

but anyway, just a tinfoil for now

Yea but visor was like okayish until that post iirc

I think if he pop ins and just says something like "sorry i am busy today, will be around more tomorrow" wisdom gets lunched

Then ender backtracks on the visor read at eod (kinda weird)


Idk if ender is a wolf I am just kinda confused as to why not just get the wisdom mislunch (unless its ender/wisdom)

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:09
looks like 2 wolf kills to me, unless rask triggered his role and blasted himself with the despo shot

waza was evidently the factional, unless some weird shit went down

> Hello, at least: On days 1 and 2, you may target a player to form a neighborhood with them during the next night phase.

anyone have a hood with rask ln?

ladd
01-08-2025, 03:10
it's not that crazy of a tinfoil. i also played with the idea that visor died with some sort of plan in place

better than thinking he just gave up or w/e

I think he just had no time/didnt feel like playing ww

Happens

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 03:10
vote: maple

you can dome me, if you want

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:11
i feel like i learned basically nothing from lunching visor even though he flipped wolf

can’t really gauge what went down without knowing wisdom’s alignment, she would have been a good vig shot despite my personal hesitation there just to resolve the counterwagon

whens the last time youve seen a game with actually competitive wagons that actually tell you shit?

i find every game being like this sooo tilting, it fucks my general play pattern so bad

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 03:11
looks like 2 wolf kills to me, unless rask triggered his role and blasted himself with the despo shot

waza was evidently the factional, unless some weird shit went down

> Hello, at least: On days 1 and 2, you may target a player to form a neighborhood with them during the next night phase.

anyone have a hood with rask ln?

ladd was neighbor'd. they tried to despo cuth

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:13
Sap just quickly popping in to say i was in chat with rask and we desperado shot cuth (hence why rask is ded) who is now clear

Read rask role

Back to sleep

aight dope

good enough for me

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 03:13
is

is extra wolf kp reasonable with a 10v3 start?

because that sounds terrible

Syn
01-08-2025, 03:14
nobody look at visor's ability and me saying we should tie the wagons EOD pls thanks

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:14
is

is extra wolf kp reasonable with a 10v3 start?

because that sounds terrible

depends the mod and setup

my experience with org games has been *strange* setups for the most part.

Syn
01-08-2025, 03:15
vote: Maple

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:15
nobody look at visor's ability and me saying we should tie the wagons EOD pls thanks

yeah we should clear me for saying we need to consolidate out of range of a wolf blitz instead

yall motherfuckers refusing to make a real, viable cw sucks tho

Hally
01-08-2025, 03:19
Yea but visor was like okayish until that post iirc

I think if he pop ins and just says something like "sorry i am busy today, will be around more tomorrow" wisdom gets lunched

Then ender backtracks on the visor read at eod (kinda weird)


Idk if ender is a wolf I am just kinda confused as to why not just get the wisdom mislunch (unless its ender/wisdom)
i don’t think the backtrack was weird really, ender basically had the same thought process there as me

i.e. “it seems really out of character for w!visor to give up like this but don’t know where else to go so guess i’ll stay”

i mean, last time visor was a wolf we saw him fight his lunch hard and set up spew despite his lunch being even more of a foregone conclusion than it was here, so with that context i think it’s reasonable to get cold feet at him rolling over

but yeah, i think that’s a good point that it was pretty unnecessary if it was a planned bus cuz at the point visor came back i thought wisdom was getting lunched for sure and don’t think we would have gone visor if he hadn’t made that post

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:19
I don’t know which of us killed the other: If you successfully convince a player to make a genuine role claim to you in the neighborhood chat without mentioning this aspect of your role (or if they claim unprompted), the following happens instead:
Your role deactivates
You receive one Desperado or Vengeful nightvig of your choosing.

im going to assume that this mechanic was role agnostic but clear ladd anyway because im just different like that

waza's role seems to imply wolves have some sort of vigi

we have at most 1 more kill outside the 1xkp of the despo

i doubt we have any full cops or anything; the possibility of a doctor is sorta mid? maybe a jk i guess, this game feels PR dense.

If i were the designer of this game and i made rask's role and i had it be alignment agnostic, i'd give the wolves at least 1 goon; it is interseting because it does soft-RC anyone in the hood since any claim needs to be a trueclaim to proc the ability, which is hidden. pretty sneaky, could have that as our TI slot, which limits us to like... a BG +1 utility PR or something like that.

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:20
ladd, hypothetically, might you be a bodyguard?

Hally
01-08-2025, 03:20
whens the last time youve seen a game with actually competitive wagons that actually tell you shit?

i find every game being like this sooo tilting, it fucks my general play pattern so bad
well if wisdom is a wolf it tells me ladd is very likely a villager, if she’s not then i’m less sure

just as an example

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:21
well if wisdom is a wolf it tells me ladd is very likely a villager, if she’s not then i’m less sure

just as an example

Wow ladd as a likely villager off of a wisdom flip

where have i heard that one before? :curtain:

EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 03:22
Vaimes

I now can point at posts and say you should townread me off them =P

Secondly, if I'm w/w with Visor I:

1. Don't enter day and immediately start pressuring him within the first 4 posts. (Visor can easily coast through there if no one pressured him and he didn't make the post on me.)

2. Don't question myself EOD without doing any vote swapping. I'm a notorious vote swapper for pressure and I honestly would've just done it as w/w to try and make a tie somehow. Also doubting it eod makes me get less cred which is bad if I literally bussed him for Cred.

This is my only post that I'm gonna put forward reasons y'all should be locktowning me, further posts will be back to regular scheduled shitpostery with godlike solving.

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:22
god how fucking funny would it be

to have rask's role

and your person claims 2-shot firefighter

and then it procs

that would be actual art

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:27
yes, ender is indeed probably a villager

so is hally

so is ladd

really looking for us to go into f5 with cuth tho that'll be a lot of fun

Hally
01-08-2025, 03:30
yes, ender is indeed probably a villager

so is hally

so is ladd

really looking for us to go into f5 with cuth tho that'll be a lot of fun
do you think ladd is a villager because of rask’s role? i think i’m not quite following why

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:32
do you think ladd is a villager because of rask’s role? i think i’m not quite following why

i think ladd is village in general

i think that proccing rask's role is >rand v

i think he's going to die in the night shortly so we should play around that

ya know how it is

EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 03:33
Vote: Wisdom

Will think more on this later.

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 03:39
Vaimes

I now can point at posts and say you should townread me off them =P

Secondly, if I'm w/w with Visor I:

1. Don't enter day and immediately start pressuring him within the first 4 posts. (Visor can easily coast through there if no one pressured him and he didn't make the post on me.)

2. Don't question myself EOD without doing any vote swapping. I'm a notorious vote swapper for pressure and I honestly would've just done it as w/w to try and make a tie somehow. Also doubting it eod makes me get less cred which is bad if I literally bussed him for Cred.

This is my only post that I'm gonna put forward reasons y'all should be locktowning me, further posts will be back to regular scheduled shitpostery with godlike solving.

i wouldn't be a very good student if i took your advice/mentorship and then did the exact opposite of the lesson you were teaching me, would i?

EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 03:41
i wouldn't be a very good student if i took your advice/mentorship and then did the exact opposite of the lesson you were teaching me, would i?

:bow:

Hally
01-08-2025, 03:41
i hesitate to read much into wisdom not self-presing onto visor because i don’t understand why w!wisdom wouldn’t self-pres onto w!visor

visor wasn’t even really playing, wisdom should want to survive over him because at least she was trying and had some people town reading her

feels like one of those things that could mean anything

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:43
i hesitate to read much into wisdom not self-presing onto visor because i don’t understand why w!wisdom wouldn’t self-pres onto w!visor

visor wasn’t even really playing, wisdom should want to survive over him because at least she was trying and had some people town reading her

feels like one of those things that could mean anything

the wisdom wagon didnt feel particularly competitive around EoD in general, didnt feel like people had particular want for that to go over

not sure if any of yall got that vibe, but its what i had been bitching about for the last 45 minutes lol

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 03:44
maple makes a good point about rask's ability functioning like a rolecop

but it doesn't clarify whether a trueclaim is different from a "genuine" fakeclaim (since rask would never know the difference), or if the ability wouldn't trigger unless it was an honest to god mod-confirmed trueclaim

or if claiming vanilla as a goon would count

Hally
01-08-2025, 03:45
the wisdom wagon didnt feel particularly competitive around EoD in general, didnt feel like people had particular want for that to go over

not sure if any of yall got that vibe, but its what i had been bitching about for the last 45 minutes lol
yeah but wisdom is euro, she was never gonna be there for EoD and said that

at the time she left for good i’m pretty sure it was still close

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:46
maple makes a good point about rask's ability functioning like a rolecop

but it doesn't clarify whether a trueclaim is different from a "genuine" fakeclaim (since rask would never know the difference), or if the ability wouldn't trigger unless it was an honest to god mod-confirmed trueclaim

or if claiming vanilla as a goon would count

by trueclaim i mean "claim your real role regardless of your alignment"

I would assume claiming VT would work for a goon, for example.

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:47
yeah but wisdom is euro, she was never gonna be there for EoD and said that

at the time she left for good i’m pretty sure it was still close

maybe, i'd have to double check that and see if it makes me feel anything

Syn
01-08-2025, 03:49
Vaimes

I now can point at posts and say you should townread me off them =P

Secondly, if I'm w/w with Visor I:

1. Don't enter day and immediately start pressuring him within the first 4 posts. (Visor can easily coast through there if no one pressured him and he didn't make the post on me.)

2. Don't question myself EOD without doing any vote swapping. I'm a notorious vote swapper for pressure and I honestly would've just done it as w/w to try and make a tie somehow. Also doubting it eod makes me get less cred which is bad if I literally bussed him for Cred.

This is my only post that I'm gonna put forward reasons y'all should be locktowning me, further posts will be back to regular scheduled shitpostery with godlike solving.

1 isn't compelling

2 would have entailed you dying if you had done so

this is not me scum-reading you

Maple
01-08-2025, 03:55
ive been watching my girlfriend play sonic x shadow every day for weeks, and i went and actually bought it for myself due to the conditioning working

the game is pretty fun

the game really makes you feel like sonic (or shadow)

EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 03:56
1 isn't compelling

2 would have entailed you dying if you had done so

this is not me scum-reading you

I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory.

Is this where it gets me?

On my feet, Syn just ten feet ahead of me?

Syn
01-08-2025, 04:04
I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory.

Is this where it gets me?

On my feet, Syn just ten feet ahead of me?

big fan of your work man

Hally
01-08-2025, 04:51
manti, didn’t you change up your villaging style recently to something more transparently villagery or no?

why do i still have no idea what your alignment is or what you think about anything? ~:confused:

Hally
01-08-2025, 05:12
some waza posts to get a sense of his reads (he wasn’t here for EoD though)

main thing that sticks out to me as somewhat anti-consensus is he was very firm on cape being a villager

he also suspected wisdom some but seemed conflicted there

also town read vaimes and to a lesser extent ladd

obviously he could have simply been killed for being an active widely town read villager who voted visor early, but he’s a very good player so it’s still worth paying attention to his reads


ehhh

cape v
vaimes v

sure on those two

taffy was the same tier as the first names but they were also who i was tinfoiling when i spoke to hally but i think that may just be me overthinking

ladd and hally and syn and wisdom lean v


eh now im worried about what things look like if cuth and maple are town

not sure what my world even looks like in that case though...

gth i think theres probs one in visor/rask - can think of reasons to be wary of both

probs one in cuth/maple/hally - this tier is different to the first two names because i can think of reasons to tr all 3, but the reasons for cuth and maple are kinda bad and weak and could easily be wrong but if i find good reasons to tr both then i immediately look at hally next after that, however if either of them are a wolf i probs just roll with hally as v

and then last in someone i miscleared (not cape or vaimes)

ender is somewhere but idk which of these 3 rows he fits into


My cape read is similar to ladds read on you

I’ve just played with him as v quite a lot and he just seems the same. Plus he tried to discredit my read on him somewhat (due to him not remembering some stuff) whereas I don’t think he would have needed to as a wolf since could just continue to hide behind

The taffy tinfoil was momentary cos from the 3 takes they gave they were trying to discredit me and vaimes read on each other and then trying to discredit a tr on wisdom

But then I remember taffy hasn’t randed wolf much (Atleast in the games I’ve been in with them.) so then I thought a wolf who hasn’t randed wolf a tonne probably would maybe try more to placate the PL rather than what they have done so far

And part of why I’m voting wisdom currently is that I agree with ladds observation and a w!wisdom flip would make me feel even better on taffy


Vote:Visor

(This doesn’t mean I tr wisdom, im not sure what my read is on her or what she’s doing but I think I can parse her better with time, I do think ladd is town and I’m wary of the thread becoming warped around wisdom vs ladd Incase wisdom is town too . That being said some of her answers were still confusing to me yesterday so I understand why the wagon exists on top of other reasons

Ummm I think if hally is town this game will be fairly straight forward and we win this well before it gets to lylo. however I keep changing my mind on her a lot. If she’s alive in lylo make sure she is the first person to vote and do not clear her for pushing a partner endgame if she was mostly powerwolfing prior to that

Cape90
01-08-2025, 05:37
I have some stuff to finish tonight, but I think my head is somewhere around wanting to kill between Taffy/Ender/Wisdom. I defo want to get more into my Taffy read (i was lazy at night, sorry)

I don't agree with the Maple vote from what i remember of their close to EoD content. But yeah see yall in like 3 or so hours.

TOWN: Vaimes/Hally/ladd/Cuth (desperado thing that ladd talked about)

Less so Syn and Maple but I think both are town here

Maple
01-08-2025, 05:52
manti, didn’t you change up your villaging style recently to something more transparently villagery or no?

why do i still have no idea what your alignment is or what you think about anything? ~:confused:

Its more about the cooperation than the transparency. "Transparency" as something i've evoked only reminds me of the shadowhydra game where i claimed to be working on that and just posted stupid bullshit that tilted people. That was really funny.

But no, I'm just generally low engagement this game. I haven't really had anything here take my reigns and pull me into an exciting direction. Yesterday ended up being a boring d1, as usual. I don't have high hopes for today.

I do have *some* stuff to work with at least, im considering whether or not to claim my mechs now or to just leave it for later.

Cuthillius
01-08-2025, 06:23
my internet's drunk

but you're very welcome hally

i wouldn't be shocked if there was one more wolf kp esp if town tp based on the roles that have been flipping but who's to say

will be around more this phase though swear on my life

Syn
01-08-2025, 06:23
why are we so despondent in the club rn

Cuthillius
01-08-2025, 06:28
chat

we may be back

i've been messing with settings for the last like 30 minutes

i think it's working

it would like not connect to wifi unless i disconnected and reconnected and then would last for like ten seconds

or just sporadically stop and start loading stuff

Hally
01-08-2025, 06:36
fwiw my reading of rask’s role is that it would work as long as the person makes a non-meme, genuine looking claim

it seems too OP for the person to have to claim their true role because if they did it’s essentially a role peek and i think if it worked like that the role would specify “truthful claim” not just “genuine claim”

so i don’t think the fact that it worked says anything about what ladd’s role really is

ladd
01-08-2025, 07:18
fwiw my reading of rask’s role is that it would work as long as the person makes a non-meme, genuine looking claim

it seems too OP for the person to have to claim their true role because if they did it’s essentially a role peek and i think if it worked like that the role would specify “truthful claim” not just “genuine claim”

so i don’t think the fact that it worked says anything about what ladd’s role really is

It needs to be a true role claim but its not alignment indicative

(Like manti was saying vanilla could be both vt and goon, same applies with any role)

At least thats what rask told me anyway

ladd
01-08-2025, 07:30
I have never been good at reading cape so i am down to sheep waza v read there for now

i already went theough everyone with rask so I am kinda just waiting for wisdom and taffy to post tbh

ladd
01-08-2025, 07:43
4 visor - ender, waza, hally, vaimes
3 wisdom - ladd, raskolnikov, taffy
2 ladd - wisdom, syn
1 raskolnikov - cuth
1 taffy - cape
1 ender - visor
1 cuth - maple

---

mmm. Visor not even fighting feels weird for w!Visor.

Am I doubting my read at the 11th hour? Bloody right I am.

Wagons were actually kinda close until 15 mins before eod, esp with visor off wagon still

Tho id argue there wasnt much point in trying to save visor (a vanillizer shot is pretty meh) anyway

Then rask switches to visor and makes it 5-2 and its all over from there



Cape push on taffy at eod and taffy vote on wisdom before eod are 2 most interesting things to me

ladd
01-08-2025, 07:49
it was you saying "you're just narrating everything they've done" which reminded me of Cape saying I was creating a narrative that gave me the impression you were setting up for pivoting to me, especially with the diminutive "just" and the hyperbolic "everything"

I kinda villa read this post, especially the bolded

Think wisdom/taffy are unlikely to be w/w for future use. Taffy started shading wisdom from pretty early (even before i was pushing wisdom) and then the vote from taffy on wisdom doesnt read w/w either to me

ladd
01-08-2025, 08:05
not really all that ??? imo

I don't want visor chopped but it's still in the back of my mind that he once endgamed by relying on being shielded by posts like mine and iirc specifically me as well lol

Villagery post

ladd
01-08-2025, 08:15
ladd, hypothetically, might you be a bodyguard?

No

Ill bbl, i am back at work so activity will be spotty

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:17
first off, i want to apologize for my blackout levels of insanity yesterday. i'm just glad something good came out of it

second:

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i still don't understand why wisdom refuses to vote for visor, but then tacks on a "oh btw he can totally be inactive scum" tidbit right at the end unless she's just flat-out his partner and this was just a shitty day 1 for the wolfteam

Didn't wolf read him and I thought ladd was top wagon long enough to possibly pop up again. I don't really "self pres" when there's a few hours left of the day anyway. I'm sorry to say that you're wrong because I'm starting to feel more confident that you're town.

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:20
Sap just quickly popping in to say i was in chat with rask and we desperado shot cuth (hence why rask is ded) who is now clear

Read rask role

Back to sleep

POGGERS

RASK YOU GREAT CUTE LITTLE BAGUETTE

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:21
That's great, I needed that <3

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:27
I still soulread Syn v

Good poem btw

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:28
Bad news is I'm still sick
Good news is that I can play and am less of a wreck
Might even move to pc today

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:33
i actually wanted to wolfread syn for v reading me last night but figured i'd sit on it a bit instead and have decided the throwing out of reads (even if jokes) is mildly villagery instead

ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv

Think this strengthens my Syn v read
Don't think putting ladd together with v!Waza means anything but I also sus Visor's brain going "I'm gonna join thread and namedrop three townies". Maybe it's wifom. Maybe ladd's still wolf, but not a priority solve atm anyway

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:39
Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him

Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v

Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out

vote: ender

:fuel:

I feel like this is Visor's most spewing post but I can't really get anything out of it. I don't think Visor was feeling that he'd be the yeet yet so he wouldn't have needed to distance? But then again he did nothing with this push.

I dunno I'm just rambling

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:42
The thing is, one of Ender's defining traits as a player is that he's exceedingly aware of his own play and what ppl read him on and he's really good at emulating his town play as a wolf. The one thing I haven't seen him be able to copy is that, if he's the first player in a game to catch a wolf and he's sure of himself, you can tell bc his posts sound giddy and he never quite gets that when he's bussing (or pushing a town for that matter) but ofc that's not going to be useful in every game. Other than that it's really mostly about how he interacts with flips, who he pushes when etc but that usually only becomes apparent after a few flips.

Atm I'm thinking town mostly bc we've had an overnight shift in wagons where most votes are for Wisdom while Wisdom thinks Rask's the wolf and Ender says he wants to shoot Rask bc it'll help him solve Wisdom (and others, he didn't phrase it this way but that's what I'm taking from it).

I think if he was partnered with either one he'd go about it differently. If they're v/v I could see him give this answer as either alignment but I don't believe they're v/v.

This is a bit of a word salad but I don't think Taffy/Ender are w/w

Cape90
01-08-2025, 09:45
Now I'm kinda hoping the Visor flashwagon in honour of Wisdom's birthday that Rask predicted actually happens

but I won't be around for it bc I got up early and I have other things to do before I can go to bed

okay, but the fact Taffy said this and just never swapped off of Wisdom onto Visor, when that was a viable option should already just makes me wanna vote Taffy without reviewing up on anything else.

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:46
My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.

So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.

And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.

Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.

But they've actually both become wolfier.

Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.

Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)

Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.

Also word salady but I think the thoughts are solid
I'm really not confident Taffy is wolfing here but I'm running out of options

Cape90
01-08-2025, 09:49
it was you saying "you're just narrating everything they've done" which reminded me of Cape saying I was creating a narrative that gave me the impression you were setting up for pivoting to me, especially with the diminutive "just" and the hyperbolic "everything"

This seems like a pretty strange stretch given how Taffy already misrepped Hally


I was leery of how fast Wisdom's wagon formed too but now you and Cape both starting to push me makes me think she's just a hit

vote: Wisdom

here

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:49
okay, but the fact Taffy said this and just never swapped off of Wisdom onto Visor, when that was a viable option should already just makes me wanna vote Taffy without reviewing up on anything else.

I see your point but I think that's something a wolf commonly wouldn't do? As in, why shade a wolf mate and look bad instead of bussing and look good?

It would have made sense if w/w/w but I'm town so that world doesn't exist

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 09:50
True, the way Taffy voted me for ??? reasons was weird

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:05
Also word salady but I think the thoughts are solid
I'm really not confident Taffy is wolfing here but I'm running out of options

My issue with that post is it is incredibly one-track minded, and the Rask-Syn thing is kind of like... how I form reads when I am wolfing, there is just something very calculated and yet lacking nuance.

The read on you making your readslist just to put a wolfread on Rask seems like a very big stretch to me and it also assumes that everyone, or most of everyone will very much notice your read on Rask and take special note of it.

Then there is like vague shade on Syn.

The Rask read is ungenerous.

Honestly, Taffy's post there to me looks like Taffy putting 2 villagers in a boxing ring, and like, this is what I meant by the post looked like Taffy was creating a narrative moreso then solving, like it seems so hyperfocused on one thing instead of looking holistically, which is a thing that pings me about the post.

If you are villager here (which I kind of think even though you are still POE for me as I need to look back), I think there is a good chance Taffy is just mafia here

Syn
01-08-2025, 10:06
I still soulread Syn v

Good poem btw


Think this strengthens my Syn v read
Don't think putting ladd together with v!Waza means anything but I also sus Visor's brain going "I'm gonna join thread and namedrop three townies". Maybe it's wifom. Maybe ladd's still wolf, but not a priority solve atm anyway

if wisdom flips wolf these are the posts that will kill me in the subsequent iso

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:07
I see your point but I think that's something a wolf commonly wouldn't do? As in, why shade a wolf mate and look bad instead of bussing and look good?

It would have made sense if w/w/w but I'm town so that world doesn't exist

Because Visor is a mafia PR and you are VT, ofc mafia would unashamedly avoid voting their mafia PR over a villager

Unless you are just not VT

Eh, I am ungenerously taking it as an intrusive thought until proven otherwise

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:19
Veiled threat acknowledged, but you're basing it on the wrong thing. I did get that that one post was a joke, what I missed though was that you'd changed your vote from Cuth to Wisdom before bc it was below the gif I scrolled past. I still feel like your Wisdom stance seemed to be on two tracks alternating between "she's a wolf" and "I'm not sure on this".






Ask Waza why he liked Wisdom (bc of her sus on Rask, ftr, but I left that quote off)



Now she's a wolf, and the thought of Waza townreading her sus on you is funny



This is a joke (about killing Wisdom on her birthday which I'm not sure is all that funny and might show a guilty consience about it)



Now there's a reason why she's a wolf



Waza's reasons for why she's a wolf is confbias, but your own is still valid



Asking Vaimes to compare Wisdom to two ppl who have barely posted



Vaimes thinks she's the towniest of the three names given so you're going to reread



Now she's a wolf, but with a funny reference to her firefighter claim

Please appreciate how much I had to fight the forum to collect all these quotes, the multiquote function hates me. I hope you see what I meant here, it's like wolf unsure wolf unsure... thought it does look a lot more natural with the Wisdom vote. Also kudos for being the one who asked the good Maple question.

you can read this whole quote wall on yall's own but what I am seeing is

1. Taffy being super aware of any pressure/negative comment they have been getting and feeling a tad abrasive either over it, or just in general

2. I take issue with specifically
Waza's reasons for why she's a wolf is confbias, but your own is still valid which feels like an egg on.

3. I feel like all this was supposed to be a gotcha on how Rask was hardly explaining his Wisdom suspicion, but then it just... it feels strange that Taffy compiled all of these and basically just summarized most of the posts. And it leaves me feeling like "why is this post so busy? What was I supposed to get out of that? What is Rask supposed to get out of that?"

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 10:22
Because Visor is a mafia PR and you are VT, ofc mafia would unashamedly avoid voting their mafia PR over a villager

Unless you are just not VT

Eh, I am ungenerously taking it as an intrusive thought until proven otherwise

I just don't see the need to shade at all then. Good point about the hyper focus vs holistically though, it's true Taffy hasn't really shared a view of the game as a whole. I think it's my best guess at a wolf atm but not feeling confident

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 10:22
if wisdom flips wolf these are the posts that will kill me in the subsequent iso

Awooo

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 10:25
Cuth v
Syn v
Cape v
Vaimes v

Hally?
Ladd?
Taffy?
Ender? v?
Maple?

That's a winnable PoE I think

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:30
I was leery of how fast Wisdom's wagon formed too but now you and Cape both starting to push me makes me think she's just a hit

vote: Wisdom

I was thinking about it and this post looked really strange like first off, Taffy states paranoia of my vote and Hally's pressure on them and this gives them less paranoia of
how fast Wisdom's wagon formed ???

Can I just point out that Hally's name hasn't been mentioned ONCE when Taffy was talking about people they had suspicion on?

Interesting

Well I was indeed mentioned once


I disagree actually, the most interesting thing that happened through that was Cape soft defending you.

Also if that convo was enough for you two to "find" eachother it might just be w/w

at like the start of the game. But like even with that, how am I supposed to take this alleged paranoia seriously?

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:34
You didn't think her reads looked hedgy?

I feel like a town here would just point out why Syn was wrong and cite specific examples of Wisdom's hedginess rather then this soft prod tactic, it's like 70% of Taffy's posts are curated to make people sus Wisdom

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:35
I feel like a town here would just point out why Syn was wrong and cite specific examples of Wisdom's hedginess rather then this soft prod tactic, it's like 70% of Taffy's posts are curated to make people sus Wisdom

idk I could kind of see this from like a "Syn is getting less towny" perspective because you want to see how Syn will respond to you

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:42
The only instance when Taffy has townread someone was Maple for like a meta thing, and that was it and I feel uneasy about that.

So Taffy, do you think the threadstate had been generally really not towny day 1?

Anyways I should focus on other people, because if you are town, nothing I just did was at all productive or helpful

Vote: Totally Not Taffy

It's almost like you made that Visor post to specifically make me paranoid about voting him EoD but I know that's a selfish stretch and a half

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:45
You think I've had enough time over christmas and new years to give more than 0 shits about a game I'm not in?

Bruuuuv.

Vote: Visor

I don't remember if I was already voting Visor but I definitely am now.

I don't know Visor's or Ender's wolf meta and whether I should be concerned about this

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:47
okay well i just recalled what Ender literally said about that SoD

Cape90
01-08-2025, 10:49
Cuth v
Syn v
Cape v
Vaimes v

Hally?
Ladd?
Taffy?
Ender? v?
Maple?

That's a winnable PoE I think


Waza
Hally
Taffy
Cape
Rask
Vaimes
Syn
---------
Ender
Visor/Maple/Cuth
---------
Ladd

So like, what happened with ur Hally read?

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 10:54
Hi think my initial Hally vibes were loose and that they were the one hedging the most wrt me. Could have been genuine anxious but I town read others more, so into null they go

Cape90
01-08-2025, 11:00
that is very interesting and helpful thank u

kind of ruins my vig soulread tho u_u

yeah doesn't seem like ender killed them which was a thing i was hoping for to just clear Ender just because I don't really think he's done anything that towny beyond ig the Visor stuff (which i felt like he exaggerated a bit upon today but like whatever) but it's like... one of those thoughts that maybe Ender is just playing in a way that is clashing with how I play or what i expect or whatever as his play has been shroudded in game theory "mechanical stuff" beyond his gimmick... somehwat (?) (i was thinking his wall when he talked to Vaimes)
Well I want to see him expand upon where his head is at now that we have Rask's flip, he got what he wanted in terms of his flip and what that reveals about the game or whatever even though he hasn't told us beyond voting Wisdom today

Cape90
01-08-2025, 11:05
i hesitate to read much into wisdom not self-presing onto visor because i don’t understand why w!wisdom wouldn’t self-pres onto w!visor

visor wasn’t even really playing, wisdom should want to survive over him because at least she was trying and had some people town reading her

feels like one of those things that could mean anything

Yeah I don't really understand that either, but she could be vanilla mafia vs what Visor was, like theoretically i dont think mafia would have wanted Visor to die there... but I also haven't looked closely enough at how good the role actually was so idk.

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 11:13
Hi think my initial Hally vibes were loose and that they were the one hedging the most wrt me. Could have been genuine anxious but I town read others more, so into null they go

Erase that initial "hi", it's supposed to be "I" ^^'

ladd
01-08-2025, 11:17
Hally isnt a wolf

Its not even for the visor push, they just were obviously a villager posting at eod

EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 11:31
yeah doesn't seem like ender killed them which was a thing i was hoping for to just clear Ender just because I don't really think he's done anything that towny beyond ig the Visor stuff (which i felt like he exaggerated a bit upon today but like whatever) but it's like... one of those thoughts that maybe Ender is just playing in a way that is clashing with how I play or what i expect or whatever as his play has been shroudded in game theory "mechanical stuff" beyond his gimmick... somehwat (?) (i was thinking his wall when he talked to Vaimes)
Well I want to see him expand upon where his head is at now that we have Rask's flip, he got what he wanted in terms of his flip and what that reveals about the game or whatever even though he hasn't told us beyond voting Wisdom today

I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.

One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:01
Well Happy Birthday Wisdom! :laugh4:

Sorry I haven't read EoD yet but that was too funny

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:02
I don't think Wisdom is a wolf anymore though

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:08
My meta is quite easy really- If I'm top wagon d1 I'm town

Sorry for not being in a state where I can fight getting yeeted, getting shrugyeeted isn't really my standard but I guess that's where we are in this gamestate.

I don't have the capacity to case people but I'm quite confident that Waza is just town, and I'm willing to trust his Cape read. Can't bet the game on anything else, sadly. Even ladd's got a few towny posts and even though it's a waste to yeet me I'm also too much of a softheart to push Cuth/Maple/Visor when they haven't really started.

Last time I saw Visor wolf he afk'd all days and went ham during EoD to survive, just... keep that in mind.

I don't think if you're a wolf who expects to flip that you leave a legacy post that correctly describes what your buddy is doing without voting him, that's not going to make him look good

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:11
well um, i don’t wanna make the vig feel like shit but my WIM kinda tanked seeing that shot

i guess i didn’t realize rask was actually that wolf read or i would have been more forceful expressing my town read there

just kind of shocked tbh

don't look at me I know I sussed Rask yesterday but I am not the vig
maybe there's an SK?

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:14
i feel like i learned basically nothing from lunching visor even though he flipped wolf

can’t really gauge what went down without knowing wisdom’s alignment, she would have been a good vig shot despite my personal hesitation there just to resolve the counterwagon

Why would you shoot the cw to a wolf?
I should probably read what happened EoD first but this doesn't make sense to me

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:19
i'm ready to kill wisdom whenever tbh

razor suggests she didn't want to vote her buddy

by all rights she should've been vigged

(other option is she's a v who felt bad for voting a low-poster, but i hate that)

Or she fully expected to die anyway and was voting who she wanted to vote
there's no guarantee that your cw two hours before EoD will still be a viable wagon at the end

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:21
Sap just quickly popping in to say i was in chat with rask and we desperado shot cuth (hence why rask is ded) who is now clear

Read rask role

Back to sleep

Oh well so far for the SK idea then

ladd
01-08-2025, 12:34
I don't think if you're a wolf who expects to flip that you leave a legacy post that correctly describes what your buddy is doing without voting him, that's not going to make him look good

Visor did the opposite of what wisdom described tho - wiadom said visor afks and then goes ham at eod as a wolf but here he did nothing at eod


Why would you shoot the cw to a wolf?
I should probably read what happened EoD first but this doesn't make sense to me

Why cant wagons be w/w? This is a weird read, i am sur eyou have seen wagons be w/w before

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:34
With rask we were at basically same PoE as d1 except hally is a villager and we kinds feel taffy/cape could have a wolf (rask liked taffy second half less iirc)

Ender i thinkkkk is a villager cause visor suicided with that push. tho had a weird eod

ngl I feel like I would've been a better clear I played what was probably my best town game ever over the holidays and it was largely bc I got to be cleared town for four days

I mean I'm happy for Cuth and I guess he had a better chance of being a wolf but I'm the one who gets misyeeted every game

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:37
Visor did the opposite of what wisdom described tho - wiadom said visor afks and then goes ham at eod as a wolf but here he did nothing at eod



Why cant wagons be w/w? This is a weird read, i am sur eyou have seen wagons be w/w before

I haven't read EoD yet I don't have time for it rn I was just going to go through this morning's posts quickly

and yes I've seen w/w wagons but they're not as common as w/v wagons
I'd never shoot the cw to a wolf I'd shoot someone who was on that cw or someone who had a particularly bad EoD

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:45
i considered during the night whether the ender/visor stuff could have been some planned bus where visor didn’t wanna play so he told ender he was gonna bs a push on him so ender could be spewed and get some cred

normally i wouldn’t entertain something like this but visor’s post about ender was just… so bizarre and it being a plan helps rationalize why visor didn’t fight his lunch at all

but anyway, just a tinfoil for now

not a planned bus but if they felt certain town!Wisdom was going to get yeeted might've been planned distancing for after one of them flipped later
I'm glad you said it's tinfoil bc that's stuff to consider in FX not now

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 12:57
i don’t think the backtrack was weird really, ender basically had the same thought process there as me

i.e. “it seems really out of character for w!visor to give up like this but don’t know where else to go so guess i’ll stay”

i mean, last time visor was a wolf we saw him fight his lunch hard and set up spew despite his lunch being even more of a foregone conclusion than it was here, so with that context i think it’s reasonable to get cold feet at him rolling over

but yeah, i think that’s a good point that it was pretty unnecessary if it was a planned bus cuz at the point visor came back i thought wisdom was getting lunched for sure and don’t think we would have gone visor if he hadn’t made that post

see, this
no reason why wolves weren't thinking the same thing at the time

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 13:02
ladd, hypothetically, might you be a bodyguard?

Why would Ladd be the extra role you think there is?
I assume he walked into that chat and went "I'm VT" bc that's how I'd initially claim in a chat with an unconfirmed player regardless of my actual role

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 13:14
manti, didn’t you change up your villaging style recently to something more transparently villagery or no?

why do i still have no idea what your alignment is or what you think about anything? ~:confused:

What's your impression of Maple's EoD?

Asking bc Vaimes and Syn seem to think it was bad enough to vote her immediately today but not Ender or you so now I'm curious

Totally not Taffy
01-08-2025, 13:17
Its more about the cooperation than the transparency. "Transparency" as something i've evoked only reminds me of the shadowhydra game where i claimed to be working on that and just posted stupid bullshit that tilted people. That was really funny.

But no, I'm just generally low engagement this game. I haven't really had anything here take my reigns and pull me into an exciting direction. Yesterday ended up being a boring d1, as usual. I don't have high hopes for today.

I do have *some* stuff to work with at least, im considering whether or not to claim my mechs now or to just leave it for later.

Who do you think looks good/bad from EoD?

Hally
01-08-2025, 16:13
It needs to be a true role claim but its not alignment indicative

(Like manti was saying vanilla could be both vt and goon, same applies with any role)

At least thats what rask told me anyway
if he told you that i suspect he either misunderstood how his role worked or lied to you

Hally
01-08-2025, 16:24
you can read this whole quote wall on yall's own but what I am seeing is

1. Taffy being super aware of any pressure/negative comment they have been getting and feeling a tad abrasive either over it, or just in general

2. I take issue with specifically which feels like an egg on.

3. I feel like all this was supposed to be a gotcha on how Rask was hardly explaining his Wisdom suspicion, but then it just... it feels strange that Taffy compiled all of these and basically just summarized most of the posts. And it leaves me feeling like "why is this post so busy? What was I supposed to get out of that? What is Rask supposed to get out of that?"
iirc the bolded is normal for taffy and might even be town indicative, but not sure


i think your other points are solid, just not sure if they make taffy a wolf

my recollection from turbos is she’s a pretty unusual player in terms of thought process/approach, but not sure if i’ve ever seen her in a longform game

may go look later

Hally
01-08-2025, 16:32
Hi think my initial Hally vibes were loose and that they were the one hedging the most wrt me. Could have been genuine anxious but I town read others more, so into null they go
it’s funny that you town read me for pretty much no reason D1 when i was easily in wolf range at that point but then i actually do something villagery and now you don’t lol

i defended you a bunch and was the one who shifted momentum to visor instead

Hally
01-08-2025, 16:40
Yeah I don't really understand that either, but she could be vanilla mafia vs what Visor was, like theoretically i dont think mafia would have wanted Visor to die there... but I also haven't looked closely enough at how good the role actually was so idk.
i think people tend to put more focus on what roles wolves had than wolves do

in mashes it’s a thing with wolf kp but in a game like this i think a wolf team wants whoever is most town read and active to live

and visor’s role wasn’t really good idt, it was an odd night vanillizer right? not really worth saving when he was never living to N3 so it’s at best one shot N1 when you don’t even know anyone’s roles

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 16:44
it’s funny that you town read me for pretty much no reason D1 when i was easily in wolf range at that point but then i actually do something villagery and now you don’t lol

i defended you a bunch and was the one who shifted momentum to visor instead

Yep I might just be slow!

Hally
01-08-2025, 16:57
What's your impression of Maple's EoD?

Asking bc Vaimes and Syn seem to think it was bad enough to vote her immediately today but not Ender or you so now I'm curious
i don’t know, it was a very manti EoD

more focused on the mechanical side (i.e “we need a counterwagon guys”) than what people’s alignments are and who should die

it would honestly be weirder for her if she did something else

tbh i’m not sure anything she’s posted is alignment indicative for her lol

Hally
01-08-2025, 17:07
cape seems like a villager to me

feel like he genuinely believes he found something with his taffy push but is still trying to solve her

no idea how he wolfs but waza had him lock v so good enough for me

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 17:12
cape seems like a villager to me

feel like he genuinely believes he found something with his taffy push but is still trying to solve her

no idea how he wolfs but waza had him lock v so good enough for me

^
Fully agree

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 17:13
Hally what do you think about my PoE outside the fact you're in it?

Maple
01-08-2025, 17:47
i don’t know, it was a very manti EoD

more focused on the mechanical side (i.e “we need a counterwagon guys”) than what people’s alignments are and who should die

it would honestly be weirder for her if she did something else

tbh i’m not sure anything she’s posted is alignment indicative for her lol

Yeah but like

I was right :3

Maple
01-08-2025, 17:51
I'm just gonna claim the poem

Yes, it had to be a poem

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 17:55
Nice

Vote: Manti

Maple
01-08-2025, 18:03
Not a fan of the arts?

Maple
01-08-2025, 18:07
Game seems easy

Which is annoying

Hally
01-08-2025, 18:11
Cuth v
Syn v
Cape v
Vaimes v

Hally?
Ladd?
Taffy?
Ender? v?
Maple?

That's a winnable PoE I think
wisdom, your PoE seems fine

mine would be this except with you instead of me

honestly don’t think taffy is a wolf though :shrug:

Hally
01-08-2025, 18:15
Game seems easy

Which is annoying
how can it be easy fypov? in the easy world you’re a wolf

what’s your ez PoE?

Maple
01-08-2025, 18:17
Their poe has one wolf tops. Which isn't great when your sample is >4

5 also isn't a winning poe. There's 3 dead, 10p, we have 4 kills unless a medic gets a save or something. 2 saves if wolves have a 1x vigi.

But all that aside, I doubt my reads are *that* awful.

Maple
01-08-2025, 18:25
how can it be easy fypov? in the easy world you’re a wolf

what’s your ez PoE?

I'm clearing ladd who seems to be comfortable clearing you. Cuth cape vaimes.

And I even have enough room to kill ender, who's reasonably likely to be a villager!

I can see one specific line where vsimes is a wolf, but he'd presumably be exactly kp or some shit like that, locking in on s partner like that is just so low equity. I'm reasonably confident on my cape read and don't feel the need to get into the specifics right now.

The game really *should* be easy from here.

Maple
01-08-2025, 18:28
Idk not a whole lot to talk about. We just kill whoever in the bottom half who seems to be struggling, do that for the next 3 days, and presumably that ends it.

We presumably have another PR out there but I presume it's someone who isn't getting too much pressure right now.

Hally
01-08-2025, 18:38
I'm clearing ladd who seems to be comfortable clearing you. Cuth cape vaimes.

And I even have enough room to kill ender, who's reasonably likely to be a villager!

I can see one specific line where vsimes is a wolf, but he'd presumably be exactly kp or some shit like that, locking in on s partner like that is just so low equity. I'm reasonably confident on my cape read and don't feel the need to get into the specifics right now.

The game really *should* be easy from here.
so barring weirdness your world is taffy/wisdom? which i’m not sure fits

or you think syn can be a wolf? doubtful imo

genuinely don’t get why you’re clearing ladd, rask’s role working has no bearing on ladd’s alignment

Hally
01-08-2025, 18:50
if someone can help me feel good about clearing vaimes it would do wonders

without rereading his posts i’m somewhere at he’s making good posts with good toan and activity that should make him a villager most times but not sure i can recall something that really sticks out as beyond the range of a competent wolf

Cuthillius maybe you can help here


vote: ladd

:curtain:

ladd
01-08-2025, 19:18
Idk how manti always rands the dumbest PRs lmao

Rask called it too



Vaimes eod seemed pretty uninformed to me, he was 1 of the top 2 waza villa reads and he has seemed to clearly care about who the wolves are. I can re read him but I dont see why he would not be a villager

Maple
01-08-2025, 19:34
so barring weirdness your world is taffy/wisdom? which i’m not sure fits

or you think syn can be a wolf? doubtful imo

genuinely don’t get why you’re clearing ladd, rask’s role working has no bearing on ladd’s alignment

I want him to die in the night :curtain:

Syn
01-08-2025, 19:54
good morning

time to read three pages

Hally
01-08-2025, 19:57
Idk how manti always rands the dumbest PRs lmao

Rask called it too



Vaimes eod seemed pretty uninformed to me, he was 1 of the top 2 waza villa reads and he has seemed to clearly care about who the wolves are. I can re read him but I dont see why he would not be a villager
i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something


where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov

Syn
01-08-2025, 20:01
I assume he walked into that chat and went "I'm VT" bc that's how I'd initially claim in a chat with an unconfirmed player regardless of my actual role

I can't see why this would be the thought and move before knowing anything. I don't understand this post at all really

Syn
01-08-2025, 20:02
What's your impression of Maple's EoD?

Asking bc Vaimes and Syn seem to think it was bad enough to vote her immediately today but not Ender or you so now I'm curious

I voted Maple because they're posting like they're at a funeral. not really that deep and subject to change on a whim

Wisdom
01-08-2025, 20:02
wisdom, your PoE seems fine

mine would be this except with you instead of me

honestly don’t think taffy is a wolf though :shrug:

Gut agree wrt Taffy

Syn
01-08-2025, 20:10
I thought the poem was ender's ngl

I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 20:17
i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something


where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov

what does "convincing" mean here? even though people yelled at me, i made it pretty clear why i needed to see visor flip

the fact that he flipped w was pure luck

and then we lost an extra villager in the night, and we have to rely on a third party to relay the check on cuth, which... i don't love. right now i think everyone has reasons to be townread so hard choices are coming

Cape90
01-08-2025, 20:28
I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.

One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.

Well I did vote Visor with you day 1 because I didn't want Wisdom to go over because I had thought if Taffy is mafia, they spewed Wisdom as hard town. Also for the Vaimes reason of "Visor underwhelming"

Hally
01-08-2025, 20:28
what does "convincing" mean here? even though people yelled at me, i made it pretty clear why i needed to see visor flip

the fact that he flipped w was pure luck

and then we lost an extra villager in the night, and we have to rely on a third party to relay the check on cuth, which... i don't love. right now i think everyone has reasons to be townread so hard choices are coming
i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf

which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone


i wouldn’t worry about ladd lying about cuth being clear, they would have to be exactly w/w so not worth thinking about unless cuth is alive in lylo

though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more

Cape90
01-08-2025, 20:29
I don't think if you're a wolf who expects to flip that you leave a legacy post that correctly describes what your buddy is doing without voting him, that's not going to make him look good

You know
That is a good point

Cape90
01-08-2025, 20:32
I haven't read EoD yet I don't have time for it rn I was just going to go through this morning's posts quickly

and yes I've seen w/w wagons but they're not as common as w/v wagons
I'd never shoot the cw to a wolf I'd shoot someone who was on that cw or someone who had a particularly bad EoD

How much of the game have you read?
This is an aspect that worries me about you since it looked like from your day 1 logs it was more then you shared

Maple
01-08-2025, 20:33
i think my hesitancy with him is that iirc he’s lacking a convincing push or even a real wolf read, but maybe i forgot something


where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov

i think his responses to my grilling at eod look generally good given the results

on visor's role, he was pretty doa so unless wolves chose not to go for a snipe due to the wagon formations, i'd say he just sorta died without the opportunity to use it; i think in general wolves have a pretty strong d1 given visor was *sort of* a dv

also vanillaizor tells us... basically nothing, tho the inventor mode is kinda interesting i guess

Cape90
01-08-2025, 20:34
Also Taffy, if you get misyeeted often as town like you are saying, why then assume the push day 1 from me and the Hally thing was in bad faith?

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 20:35
unvote
vote: ender

-


yeah doesn't seem like ender killed them which was a thing i was hoping for to just clear Ender just because I don't really think he's done anything that towny beyond ig the Visor stuff (which i felt like he exaggerated a bit upon today but like whatever) but it's like... one of those thoughts that maybe Ender is just playing in a way that is clashing with how I play or what i expect or whatever as his play has been shroudded in game theory "mechanical stuff" beyond his gimmick... somehwat (?) (i was thinking his wall when he talked to Vaimes)
Well I want to see him expand upon where his head is at now that we have Rask's flip, he got what he wanted in terms of his flip and what that reveals about the game or whatever even though he hasn't told us beyond voting Wisdom today

rip me for not actually reading this post earlier. this is EXACTLY what was going through my head this very minute. and then i saw ender's answer and it didn't really do anything for me


I mean that comment was also state of the game prior to Visor's flip. Once Visor flipped wolf tbh I was gonna lock Rask town.

One the other side, you could just vote a wolf with me, that'd be grand.

this is kind of dodging the original question

you said:


I think there are a lot more sus people than Rask. But Rask exists in a place where their flip would tell me a bunch about the game state.

so pretend we're in that moment. you flip rask and he's v. what would that have told you at the time? a bunch of what? if you say "that visor's a wolf the end" i will slap you silly

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 20:40
i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf

which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone


i wouldn’t worry about ladd lying about cuth being clear, they would have to be exactly w/w so not worth thinking about unless cuth is alive in lylo

though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more

i mean, i also thought he had no interest in helping town solve/win the game. there's more than one way to wolfread someone

just sucks that sometimes slots like that end up flipping v

Cape90
01-08-2025, 20:41
i think people tend to put more focus on what roles wolves had than wolves do

in mashes it’s a thing with wolf kp but in a game like this i think a wolf team wants whoever is most town read and active to live

and visor’s role wasn’t really good idt, it was an odd night vanillizer right? not really worth saving when he was never living to N3 so it’s at best one shot N1 when you don’t even know anyone’s roles

I think this is fair tbh

Cape90
01-08-2025, 20:43
if someone can help me feel good about clearing vaimes it would do wonders

without rereading his posts i’m somewhere at he’s making good posts with good toan and activity that should make him a villager most times but not sure i can recall something that really sticks out as beyond the range of a competent wolf

Cuthillius maybe you can help here


vote: ladd

:curtain:

Wha?
I missed something, why are you voting ladd?

Hally
01-08-2025, 20:53
Wha?
I missed something, why are you voting ladd?
i hate italians :curtain:

the better question is why are you town reading him?

ladd
01-08-2025, 20:58
I thought the poem was ender's ngl

I still don't really think he's a wolf unless visor was willing to not only suicide himself but possibly take out a partner as well for no reason. his role kills whoever he's voting for if the wagons are tied, and he was voting ender

His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v


i mean that your vote was purely mechanical, not voting visor cuz you thought he was a wolf

which is a fine way to choose your vote at EoD tbc, but even prior to that i don’t really remember you wolf reading anyone

though i do think it’s bit strange that rask would choose to shoot cuth over wisdom, who i think he wolf read more

We were between cuth and wisdom, rask asked me who would I shoot. I said id go cuth to be a team player (since u were villareading wisdom and waza also wanted to see them post more). I didnt know it was a desperado and not a normal vig until after i answered or id have said to kill wisdom i think. Or maybe not




where’s your head at, ladd? i assume the solve is pretty easy fypov

I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol

its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy

I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team

Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them

Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other


I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple

Syn
01-08-2025, 21:08
His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v

I'm not sure that's true (that Ender would've never competed as a wagon) but you're right. I missed that he needed to be voting for one of the tied wagons

I got nothing. sure. let's blow him up

Cape90
01-08-2025, 21:17
i hate italians :curtain:

the better question is why are you town reading him?

I like some of Ladd's thoughts on slots and I think they are looking everywhere and reading most of everything
I think their thoughts are fairly nuanced and towny I dunno. Like their posts look okay to me even if I disagree on things like Ladd's sus on you.

I find you townier then ladd, I'm kinda sheeping waza's read, I skimmed over ladd just now and I don't particularly see a reason to not trust his TR there. I also quite liked that one post ladd pinged Rask with day 1.

Uh ig mort of Ladd's posts today left little impression on me, but most of Ladd's posts have either null or town pings for me personally.

Vaimes
01-08-2025, 21:18
i'm...pretty much in agreement with what ladd is saying tbh

maybe not the finer details but at least that the scumteam is in maple/taffy/wisdom/ender

i'm just voting ender rn because the crossvote there was so different tone-wise from all his other posts

Cape90
01-08-2025, 21:19
His vote on ender was irrelevant, ender would have never been a close wagon. You can argue why he did note vote wiadom if they were w/v



We were between cuth and wisdom, rask asked me who would I shoot. I said id go cuth to be a team player (since u were villareading wisdom and waza also wanted to see them post more). I didnt know it was a desperado and not a normal vig until after i answered or id have said to kill wisdom i think. Or maybe not



I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol

its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy

I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team

Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them

Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other


I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple

IIRC, you said today that one of me/Taffy contains a wolf.

Do you actually believe this or are you just throwing stuff out there? Did you even say this? I thought you said this

ladd
01-08-2025, 21:26
IIRC, you said today that one of me/Taffy contains a wolf.

Do you actually believe this or are you just throwing stuff out there? Did you even say this? I thought you said this

I said you and taffy were back in the PoE for me/rask overnight (you were more a backup but taffy was back in the PoE)


but I dont really think you are a wolf at all now

taffy could still be one, but I think it's wisdom over them

ladd
01-08-2025, 21:26
vote:wisdom

Hally
01-08-2025, 21:31
I dont see why? I have the same info as everyon else lol

its 2 of maple/taffy/wisdom/ender whixh isnt really spicy

I have been thinkinh about whether wisdom/ender can fit for the past couple of hours, tho i feel a bit bad having ender in the team

Taffy is an optiin bit i just kinda think they are a villager. Maple is a better option but I am a bit worried they are a villager, their posting seems like more on thwir villa meta from my vague recollection but its also very deleberate in a way that makes it hard to get a confident read on them

Taffy/wisdom i think has 1 of the wolves exactly and i would probably semi clear the other


I still think wisdom is a wolf, sucks to be me if wrong but it explains how d1 playe dout better than all other options bar the team being something silly like taffy/maple
sorry, i didn’t mean that like that “wtf why haven’t you nailed the exact team yet”

more so that fypov unless it’s the weird world where ender is a wolf it has to be manti + 1 of taffy/wisdom

and i agree that it doesn’t really feel like it’s taffy, so it’s just manti/wisdom? unless it’s ender

that works as well as anything i guess, though it feels lame

wisdom’s posts aren’t really doing anything for me today admittedly but if she’s a villager i think it’s more likely you’re a wolf than taffy, or it’s something dumb like ender/manti

i’m not sure if i’m being silly on taffy though, i couldn’t even really explain why i don’t think she’s a wolf and cape’s points seem broadly reasonable yet when i read taffy’s posts i’m like “nah”

i know you have more experience there than me

Hally
01-08-2025, 21:55
I like some of Ladd's thoughts on slots and I think they are looking everywhere and reading most of everything
I think their thoughts are fairly nuanced and towny I dunno. Like their posts look okay to me even if I disagree on things like Ladd's sus on you.

I find you townier then ladd, I'm kinda sheeping waza's read, I skimmed over ladd just now and I don't particularly see a reason to not trust his TR there. I also quite liked that one post ladd pinged Rask with day 1.

Uh ig mort of Ladd's posts today left little impression on me, but most of Ladd's posts have either null or town pings for me personally.
alright, this is fair enough and i don’t really disagree per se, but i also think that ladd could wolf like this in his sleep

this is a super easy game to wolf in imo, it’s really slow and everyone’s solve is basically sbpc so it’s easy to coast on simply correctly clearing the active villagers and mislunching the slankier ones that will probably never be able to post themselves clear

my read on ladd is essentially the same as his read on me D1 hehe, i do think he is right that we approach things really similarly so i’ve been thinking about how i would wolf in this game and i don’t think i would really do anything differently than he’s been doing

he is really good at faking nuanced thoughts and having good toan so i think you basically have to read him on whether his pushes seem agenda’d

and we make reads similarly so i can usually follow his pushes and find them convincing when he’s a villager, whereas here i thought his reasons for pushing wisdom D1 were pretty weak and seemed like he was stretching to wolf read her for what seemed like pretty normal wisdom posts

but it’s also totally possible she’s a wolf or he’s a villager who was forcing a read a bit because there wasn’t much to go on D1

Hally
01-08-2025, 22:01
i do kinda think visor would’ve had more juice had he randed wolf with ladd though, he’d enjoy that

but this is a dicey read and it’s totally possible visor flat out wasn’t feeling it regardless

EnderWiggin
01-08-2025, 22:17
so pretend we're in that moment. you flip rask and he's v. what would that have told you at the time? a bunch of what? if you say "that visor's a wolf the end" i will slap you silly

That Visor is a wolf, the end.

Nah Rask state tells me nothing about Visor. I think Rask green makes me even more sus of Wisdom for the interaction/read there. Which is why I'm pushing Wisdom atm.

I even straight up said this on D1 but I guess people didn't read that.

I also think it makes Syn very likely town. I already thought this but it reinforces it.

I thought it would make Cuth more sus but that's irrelevant for now.

And at the time I was like "If Rask is green then Ladd probably green just from the way posted at/around each other." but idk how much I believe in that read anymore.