The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 4

Silver Rusher

11-06-2006, 22:12

Evening in the Gameroom.

It was all so eerily cold. Winter was approaching. The leaves on the trees seemed to have dwindled almost as fast as the townspeople over the past week.

There was nothing special going on. No fancy apparatus or location, just the town centre that the people had recently been making good use of. Chief of Police Divine Wind stepped up to the wooden podium and began speaking to the villagers.

"Seamus Fermanagh is guilty. He has murdered many of our friends, and created a hellhole out of our peaceful town." He gave Seamus a doubtful look, "Now, he has been condemned to death and we will finally be able to live our lives again! On to the execution, however. One of you lucky villagers will be given the privelege of choking him with your own bare hands."

He ran his finger through the crowd, and carefully pointed at Don Corleone.

"Congratulations, Don. You were the last to vote for Seamus, you have the privelege of killing him."

"My pleasure," DC walked towards Seamus with an almost evil grin on his face and with no sign of regret. Seamus backed away, and began yelling protests.

"Why are you believing these people? They have shown you letters trying to prove that they have found proof of my guilt, but they are riddled with flaws! They are the ones you want, not me!"

DC approached, and nobody seemed to be listening to his protests. With little time left, Seamus ran forward and punched DC in the face, who in turn lept at him and pinned him to the ground, hands wrapped around his neck. He hadn't covered Seamus' body, though, and Seamus landed a heavy kick in his manhood. DC clutched the area in obvious agony, allowing Seamus a chance to escape.

Seamus couldn't believe the opportunity he had been given. He ran as fast as he could for his car, but he was followed by the 7 who had previously been uninvolved. One happened to be carrying a gun.

BANG. Miss.

BANG. Hit.

Seamus fell to the floor, and another had died in the hunt for the mafia.

Tally:
Seamus Fermanagh - 4 votes (Myrddraal, Crazed Rabbit, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Husar, Don Corleone) :skull:
Crazed Rabbit - 1 vote (Seamus Fermanagh)
Csar - 1 vote (Masy)
Sigurd Fafnesbane - 1 vote (Csar)
Not voting - 1 (Proletariat)

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Crazed Rabbit
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

9 players remain. PM's please.

Seamus Fermanagh

11-06-2006, 22:20

Hey! Who's the jerk who re-filled the slug with Mercury. I never had a chance with a wound that size!

Thanks for an appropriate lynching Silver.:bow:

Don Corleone

11-06-2006, 22:21

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...........*groan*

:fainting:

Seamus Fermanagh

11-06-2006, 22:25

Sorry old bean, I'd've done the same for anyone coming after me.

Unfortunately for you, I've been hitting the gym regular lately and I've been upping the leg extension and press weights pretty regularly. :smash:

Masy

11-06-2006, 22:39

Csargo

11-07-2006, 00:10

Hey, sorry I missed deadline (oh the irony...), but I only just got on the internet all day. Csar, I'm sorry if I offended you by voting for you, but I am truly bamboozled by this game, and honestly have no clue as to who the mafia are. And yes I realise I am being a hypocryte, but, well, balloon anyone? :balloon2:

No harm done:beam:you can't take anything personaly in this game it's just supposed to be fun. I'm more concerned with Sigurd he's way more suspicious to me than you are.:smash:

Drisos

11-07-2006, 08:43

the game comes to it's end.. and don and cr are still alive.. :book: :balloon2::dizzy2:

oh and husar as well.. :juggle2:

:skull:

Death Match

11-07-2006, 13:02

is it finished?

Death Match

11-07-2006, 13:03

few! it shouldn't matter. its finished anyway. sorry for my intensive worrying!!

Originally posted by Drisos

the game comes to it's end.. and don and cr are still alive..

oh and husar as well..

Death Match

11-07-2006, 13:06

sorry for my series of posts (i can't edit for some reason)

Sir Moody

11-07-2006, 13:07

its not over... at least not until silver says it is

Sigurd

11-07-2006, 14:11

-please don't quote rule-breaking posts-(Sasaki)
Interesting tidbit of information. (@ Prole: My dictionary actually lists the other word as valid)

Does this mean GH and Myrddraal are full of it?
I fear that we have two Mafiosi left and that Myrddraal is one of them...

Husar

11-07-2006, 14:35

Interesting tidbit of information. (@ Prole: My dictionary actually lists the other word as valid)

Does this mean GH and Myrddraal are full of it?
I fear that we have two Mafiosi left and that Myrddraal is one of them...
I agree Sigurd, Mr Guru sounds believable for some reason.
I suspected him before for using so many dots at the end of his sentences, -snip-

Don Corleone

11-07-2006, 15:25

Why are Drisos and RTWGuru acting like the game is over?:furious3: :furious3:

Despite what he says to the contrary, I think this is all a ploy anyway, but in keeping up balance, I guess it would be Myrdraal's turn to hang.

Kommodus

11-07-2006, 15:56

Just a quick thought - I'm beginning to think that Sigurd is on the side of the mafia without actually being a mafioso. I considered him innocent early on, simply because he was putting himself forward so much and actively trying to get people lynched. But his reasoning has been terribly flawed in this game - very unlike the Sigurd we know and love.

This behavior matches that of an individual who doesn't actually mind sacrificing his life for a greater cause. Remember this?

And why… townies did you lynch GH when the town would be better served if you had lynched me instead? I am also listed Sasaki’s list of highly suspicious players.

Placing yourself between the townspeople and your mafia buddies, huh Sigurd? :inquisitive:

I'm not saying he should be lynched. Obviously, that's what he wants. But I wouldn't put much confidence in what he says from now on (as if anyone needed to be reminded of that).

Sigurd, congratulations on getting me and Ignoramus lynched. It's actually the Iggy thing that has me convinced about you; you really would've seen how flawed that argument was if you were for real.

Dutch_guy

11-07-2006, 16:10

Sasaki Kojiro

11-07-2006, 16:22

Guys, please don't quote rule-breaking posts.

Kommodus

11-07-2006, 16:24

EDIT: Content removed.

Crazed Rabbit

11-07-2006, 17:25

Huh? Was a post of RTWGuru's deleted?

Despite what he says to the contrary, I think this is all a ploy anyway, but in keeping up balance, I guess it would be Myrdraal's turn to hang.

Don, if you believe Sasaki is the mafia, than Myrd can't be mafia. I mean, come on, hanging Myrd is unbelievably foolish right now if you think Sasaki is mafia.
According to Myrd and GH, we have only three suspects left: Csar, Masy, and Husar. Csar is out because he voted for Sasaki to hang. Last round, Husar voted for Seamus, making Masy the most suspicious.

We can't lynch people 'on a balance', whatever that is, because we'll all end up dead.

CR

Sasaki Kojiro

11-07-2006, 17:34

Huh? Was a post of RTWGuru's deleted?

It broke Silver's rules as stated in beginning of thread.

Dutch_guy

11-07-2006, 17:51

It broke Silver's rules as stated in beginning of thread.

For all we know he could be pulling a Spartan on us, he may be impersonating the character he claimed to be, which would make his post just a call for attention :clown:

:balloon2:

Silver Rusher

11-07-2006, 19:32

Don't worry about it, Sasaki. The detective isn't allowed to reveal his role after death.

Silver Rusher

11-07-2006, 21:34

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.

Proletariat was a very environmentally and health conscious person. This was why she cycled around everywhere. That morning, she took her bike out for a bit of early morning shopping.

Nikolay's was always open, so it was an ideal place to shop. Knowing exactly what she needed it only took her about 5 minutes to get everything and get out. She put it in the basket on the front of her bike and cycled away.

Prole liked her daytime television, and her favourite chat show was about to come on. She decided to take a shortcut to save time.

But this wasn't a good idea. She turned right, and went down a road with walls on either side to the sight of a van. A van marked Vincenzo's Guttering, in fact. It was driving straight towards her, and accelerating. Perhaps the driver didn't notice her.

Nope. Prole screamed in fear, but also in the hope that the driver would notice and stop. But it didn't happen. The van, now at a speed of about 60mph, knocked her off her bike before crushing her with its weight. The van stopped, and reversed back over her, before driving forwards and out of the alley (also crushing her body some more). She was dead, but they needed to be sure.

Fear gripped the town, but at the same time they were getting fairly used to the murders. It was no longer a town, it was a scene of genocide with a few people living in it.

Chief of Police Divine Wind stepped up to address the highly traumatised crowd.

"So many of us have died, so few of us are left living. But out of the 8 that remain, at least one of us must still be responsible for all these deaths!" He paused. "The killer is, or the killers are, still out there. We have to get it right this time! Cast your votes."

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418
Proletariat

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Don Corleone
Crazed Rabbit
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

8 players remain.

Crazed Rabbit

11-07-2006, 21:58

Okay, right now my suspicions lie with Husar and Masy (a bit more than Husar). I still believe in GH and Myrd, because I am certain Sasaki is mafia. Some may point out that Myrd has survived a long time for detective, but after last round he was useless as all the mafia had been found, and leaving him alive makes him more suspicious.

So, my vote will depend on who can defend themselves the best.

Right now, Vote: Masy.

Masy, this could very well change based on how you respond.

Crazed Rabbit

Husar

11-07-2006, 22:46

:laugh4:

This is quite hilarious. I knew the only person that everyone thinks is not guilty had to die.:laugh4:

On the other hand, I didn't want that to happen.:no:

Vote: Crazed Rabbit, since he is obviously connected to the GH-Myrd mafia.
I think he is more liely the godfather than Myrd because Myrd was mentioned as Co-detective which would be too much of a risk for the mafia in case the stunt would not work.

Crazed Rabbit

11-07-2006, 22:59

Husar, I am not mafia nor Godfather. I do not believe GH or Myrd to be.

Nor am I the only person who has voted with GH and Myrd these last few rounds.

Due to your seeming assumption that Gh and Myrd are mafia, which is quite a leap, especially when you wonder why GH would have named Myrd when it was only him under suspicion, I am forced to think that you are the only remaining mafioso.

Unvote: Masy
Vote: Husar

Crazed Rabbit

Masy

11-07-2006, 22:59

Right now, Vote: Masy.

Masy, this could very well change based on how you respond.

Could it? Fantastic! A chance to prove myself to you with words...
Honestly,is your basis for voting me is so fickle that a few words from me (who you are voting for remember, and hence must find suspicious right?!?) can sway you? Yes, the game is about discussion and what-not, but surely you must have something more than the anticipation of my defense (which, by the way, could be something as ridiculous as "I love cheese, therefore am not in the mafia", since you didn't really give me anything to defend.) on which to base your vote?

Right, here's my defense to your solid concrete attack: I am not in the mafia.
Untill you give me something to actually argue with you over, then my 'defense' will stay as flimsy as your attack.

BTW getting me and Husar to fight for your vote is an odd tactic, and one which brings into question your basis for voting (again)

Also, don't be offended if i sound angry in this post, I had a frustrating day...

-edit-
just read your vote-swapping, and it's enough to clinch it for me (heres my clear, concise reason for voting : your tactic of getting me and husar to fight for your vote was suspicious enough, but your also swapping voting between me and husar, with no solid backing behind your reasoning)

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Kommodus

11-07-2006, 23:02

Don, if you believe Sasaki is the mafia, than Myrd can't be mafia. I mean, come on, hanging Myrd is unbelievably foolish right now if you think Sasaki is mafia.

"If Sigurd Fafnesbane was a mafioso, then I couldn't possibly be one."

Does that jog any memories? Who was it who said that? If you guessed GeneralHankerchief, the Godfather from Godfather I, you get a gold star!

But this isn't the first time you've said that sort of thing, is it CR? Just a little while ago, I noticed this:

Uh, Husar, as Seamus is mafia, wouldn't that mean I was not mafia?

Laying it on a little thick, aren't ya bro? :inquisitive: Anyway, on to the rest of your post:

We can't lynch people 'on a balance', whatever that is, because we'll all end up dead.

Now that's a silly thing to say. If the camp including you, GH, Myrd, and Sigurd is correct, then two mafiosos have already been taken out, including Sasaki and Seamus. That would mean the only enemy remaining is the Godfather himself. We'd easily be able to spare a lynch on the possibility that you guys are the enemy.

If you are, in fact, guilty, then only one mafioso - GeneralHankerchief himself - has been eliminated. That makes the situation for the town much more dire. Since this scenario is in fact more likely, for reasons discussed earlier, it makes much more sense to get rid of one of you.

But the townspeople should vote for you anyway, shouldn't they Crazed Rabbit, since you're the Godfather? Sigurd suggested lynching Myrddraal this round, a probable attempt at buying time.

Crazed Rabbit

11-07-2006, 23:03

Could it? Fantastic! A chance to prove myself to you with words...

Sorry. Looking back on it, I do come off as a jerk.

CR

Csargo

11-07-2006, 23:03

Vote:CR there's nothing I could add to Kommodus's post. Voting for Masy with nothing else but he seems suspicious so there's my vote.

Husar

11-07-2006, 23:04

BTW getting me and Husar to fight for your vote is an odd tactic, and one which brings into question your basis for voting (again)
I gladly took that burden off of you and the rabbit responded as I expected...:2thumbsup:

Crazed Rabbit

11-07-2006, 23:09

Crap. Looks like I'm gonna get bandwagoned.

I have to go to chemistry lab soon, so don't expect replies after this for a while:

I swear I am not mafia nor godfather. Feel free to call me a liar anywhere on this forum if it turns out I am lying. But I am not the godfather. It appears I was a bit overeager as a villager these past few rounds, and that combined with suspicion generated by Seamus and Sasaki has made me look guilty.

Now that's a silly thing to say. If the camp including you, GH, Myrd, and Sigurd is correct, then two mafiosos have already been taken out, including Sasaki and Seamus. That would mean the only enemy remaining is the Godfather himself. We'd easily be able to spare a lynch on the possibility that you guys are the enemy.

I was more thinking he wanted to lynch people equally from any group of suspects, which would be bad, unless you assume there is only me, Myrd, Gh and sasaki and seamus as groups.

CR

Husar

11-07-2006, 23:43

I swear I am not mafia nor godfather. Feel free to call me a liar anywhere on this forum if it turns out I am lying. But I am not the godfather. It appears I was a bit overeager as a villager these past few rounds, and that combined with suspicion generated by Seamus and Sasaki has made me look guilty.
It would simply be too dangerous to spare you now simply because you completely joined sides with GH and Myrd who are highly suspicious, you are almost the only one of those alive who was not undecided.

Sigurd

11-07-2006, 23:51

Vote:Husar... because... well just because.:2thumbsup:

GeneralHankerchief

11-08-2006, 00:17

Way to keep going on the self-destructive strategy, guys. Go and lynch the only one who is really correct about Myrddraal's and my innocence.

Seamus Fermanagh

11-08-2006, 00:19

Hello Prole!

AM I GLAD TO SEE YOU! I have been wondering around in a fog ever since I fell running away from that mob. I just don't feel right, you kno....

Prole?

What's wrong? You don't look so good.......

Seamus Fermanagh

11-08-2006, 00:20

Way to keep going on the self-destructive strategy, guys. Go and lynch the only one who is really correct about Myrddraal's and my innocence.

Oh go rest in peace already!

On second thought, since all the others are not deterred in death, let me add this.

You've read my thoughts on CR & Myrdraal, and my suspicions of Siggy and lesser concern with Div.

BE CAREFUL! The twist role (I think) and the godfather and 1 henchie remain. With only 7 voting, and three possible badguys it could go:

7 vote & miss. 1 lynch & 1 Murder = 1-3-1abs. Mafia wins.

Note: This assumes the twist role is mafia or a coreced mafia supporter. Odds are better if the twist role is neutral.

GeneralHankerchief

11-08-2006, 00:24

Funny, you didn't keep saying that to your mafioso buddy Sasaki. :laugh4:

Kommodus

11-08-2006, 01:39

Hm...

I'm not liking the way Crazed Rabbit keeps saying "I'm not the Godfather or a mafioso."

His behavior in past games indicates that even when he is in the role of a villain, he tries to avoid telling an outright lie. He'll happily mislead by omitting the truth, but will try to end the game in such a way as to be able to say "I never lied" at the end.

It could be that he has the mafia-support role and Sigurd or Myrddraal is the Godfather. Between these two I'd pick Sigurd. His early-game maneuvering may have been dangerous - why would the Godfather put himself forward so much? - but now that he's survived to the end-game it's a great cover.

I still think Crazed Rabbit is the one to lynch, but if the game doesn't end after that, go for Sigurd. I'm almost certain he's a villain of some kind; he's more likely to be support for the mafia, but he could be the Godfather as well.

I shudder to think that Myrddraal might be the Godfather as well. We don't have that many lynches to waste.

Don Corleone

11-08-2006, 01:45

For an already outed detective Myrdraal is very quiet and strangely alive 2 turns later.

Vote: Myrdraal

Kommodus

11-08-2006, 02:04

For an already outed detective Myrdraal is very quiet and strangely alive 2 turns later.

Let me head this one off before the mafia jump on it.

According to GH and Myrddraal, both mafia grunts are now dead. If they're telling the truth, the Godfather would have no reason to kill M. His investigations would be useless, and killing him would only prove his innocence. They would of course leave him alive till the very end.

Anyway, that's how the story goes. The other explanation (and the more likely one, for reasons discussed elsewhere) is that M continues to live because he's mafia. Whether he's the Godfather or a grunt I'm not sure, but at this point I'm guessing grunt.

Crazed Rabbit

11-08-2006, 02:05

His behavior in past games indicates that even when he is in the role of a villain, he tries to avoid telling an outright lie. He'll happily mislead by omitting the truth, but will try to end the game in such a way as to be able to say "I never lied" at the end.
That is true.

It could be that he has the mafia-support role and Sigurd or Myrddraal is the Godfather. Between these two I'd pick Sigurd. His early-game maneuvering may have been dangerous - why would the Godfather put himself forward so much? - but now that he's survived to the end-game it's a great cover.
You're stretching a bit to bring blame onto me, aren't you?
Let me spell it out; I'm neither godfather nor mafia, nor am I supporting them in any way, nor do I want them to win. I want the town, and the innocent villagers to win, and for as many of them as possible to live.

I still think Crazed Rabbit is the one to lynch, but if the game doesn't end after that, go for Sigurd. I'm almost certain he's a villain of some kind; he's more likely to be support for the mafia, but he could be the Godfather as well.
You seem to totally discount the possibility that GH and Myrd are telling the truth. You also ignore any evidence that Sasaki and Seamus might be mafia.

Its funny you bring up a mafia support role. I recall that sometimes you can find the doctor or detective by seeing who mentions that role first. Here we have you, who is not a confirmed innocent, talking about a role that hasn't really been in mafia games, in the end game a while after you've been lynched, trying to off me, who is a known innocent.

And Don, as I said before, if Sasaki was mafia, wouldn't Myrd not be?

Crazed Rabbit

Kommodus

11-08-2006, 02:23

You seem to totally discount the possibility that GH and Myrd are telling the truth. You also ignore any evidence that Sasaki and Seamus might be mafia.

Forgetting this, Don Rabbit?

Having caught up on the recent activity I have this to say:

My word but you are full of it, Sasaki! I can't believe you got the town to lynch one of their detectives - again! You're simply getting too good at this. Well played, my friend, well played.

That was posted in the aftermath of GH's lynching. Yep, I swallowed your gang's concocted story hook, line, and sinker. This was partially because of how well done it was - really, nice job - and partially because of the weak and suspicious arguments Sasaki was making at the time. Not exactly ignoring the evidence, am I?

Its funny you bring up a mafia support role. I recall that sometimes you can find the doctor or detective by seeing who mentions that role first. Here we have you, who is not a confirmed innocent, talking about a role that hasn't really been in mafia games, in the end game a while after you've been lynched, trying to off me, who is a known innocent.

Really, a role that hasn't been seen before? Don't you remember the mafia mastermind from Godfather I? I'm guessing the "twist" is not precisely the same as what it was in the other game, but I'm hardly making this stuff up.

And I'd like to know when your innocence was established. GH marked you as an (i), meaning "probably innocent," in his original "reveal." Sounds about right - making an inconspicuous argument in favor of your innocence.

At this point I think you're using your reputation as a non-liar to distort. Granted, you would have no other choice at this point. Is it worth it, knowing you won't be able to use that again?

P.S. I fully acknowledge the possibility that I'm wrong. If this turns out to be true, I'll happily wear a huge sign that says "Silver Rusher" and let you all pelt me with tomatoes and insults. Heck, I'll climb up out of this lake just to drown myself again. :laugh4:

Crazed Rabbit

11-08-2006, 02:41

Not exactly ignoring the evidence, am I?
Not then, but now you seem to completely dismiss it.

At this point I think you're using your reputation as a non-liar to distort. Granted, you would have no other choice at this point. Is it worth it, knowing you won't be able to use that again?
Considering I will be able to use it again, it is worth it. I'm not distorting anything, and at the end of this game I will make you eat your words with a whole bunch of crow.

P.S. I fully acknowledge the possibility that I'm wrong. If this turns out to be true, I'll happily wear a huge sign that says "Silver Rusher" and let you all pelt me with tomatoes and insults. Heck, I'll climb up out of this lake just to drown myself again.
Good. I will remind you of that at the end of this game.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to buy a lot of tomatoes.

Crazed Rabbit

Death Match

11-08-2006, 04:21

It broke Silver's rules as stated in beginning of thread.
I am sorry. It was an accident you see, i posted in a wrong forum...

Xiahou

11-08-2006, 05:16

Geez town! You lynch GH because he's a liar, then decide he's telling the truth and lynch Seamus- now apparently everyone again doubts GH. All of this waffling is going to lead to a mafia win. :dizzy2:

Sigurd

11-08-2006, 09:48

I am sorry. It was an accident you see, i posted in a wrong forum...
Sooo... you are saying that the post you made was not meant for this board ..
that you were playing a mafia game on another... and that it was that game that was finished and not this one? :inquisitive:

I am not buying it...

Unvote: Husar
Vote:Crazed Rabbit

Kommodus

11-08-2006, 15:39

Sooo... you are saying that the post you made was not meant for this board ..
that you were playing a mafia game on another... and that it was that game that was finished and not this one? :inquisitive:

I am not buying it...

Unvote: Husar
Vote:Crazed Rabbit

What the heck kind of game are you playing, Sigurd? :inquisitive:

First you say, in response to theRTWGuru's "botched" post, that you think Myrddraal is guilty. Then you vote for Husar without giving a reason, making it look as if you're trying to counterbalance the votes coming in for CR.

Now you change your tune about theRTWGuru and say you think he was playing us. You might be right, but then why vote for CR? That makes no sense. If you're going back to believing GH and M, then CR is not the one you would vote for.

It looks suspiciously like you, GH and M are leaving poor Rabbit out to dry. Could it be he's just a mafia grunt, or even an innocent person who your gang has duped?

If I were playing I'd change my vote to Sigurd Fafnesbane or Myrddraal. Good 'ol M is the most likely to be a villain of some kind, but I still doubt he's the Godfather.

Then again, maybe that's the response you were hoping to get by voting for CR. :dizzy2:

EDIT: Hm, it's like you're deliberately acting suspicious. This is confusing.

Husar

11-08-2006, 16:35

Now you change your tune about theRTWGuru and say you think he was playing us. You might be right, but then why vote for CR? That makes no sense. If you're going back to believing GH and M, then CR is not the one you would vote for.

It looks suspiciously like you, GH and M are leaving poor Rabbit out to dry. Could it be he's just a mafia grunt, or even an innocent person who your gang has duped?

If I were playing I'd change my vote to Sigurd Fafnesbane or Myrddraal. Good 'ol M is the most likely to be a villain of some kind, but I still doubt he's the Godfather.
The whole point is that CR is supporting GH and Myrd, and thus they may belong together, the way he posted also looked like we get closer to an open mafia vs townies lynch-war. Even you say Myrd is most likely not the godfather so going after the potential godfather makes more sense.
I'd like to believe that CR is innocent, but I also find it dangerous to let him live.

Don Corleone

11-08-2006, 17:42

I voted for GH to keep the vote tally tied. When the balance shifted, I didn't have enough time to unvote to prevent the lynch. I feel bad that he got lynched, but perhaps 10 minutes for the end of voting is the wrong time to drop a bomb like that, especially WITHOUT Myrdraal around to at least back up his story. I attempted to balance my vote by going for Seamus the next round, alternating families, which brings us to Myrdraal.

As for voting for Myrdraal now, I know one thing, I'm not mafia. EVERYONE else that's still alive is suspect at some point or another. CR is lower on my list than others. I'm actually starting to believe that there's really two mafia families and we've been caught between them. For one family to win, not only do they have to kill of the town, but they have to kill off each other. That would explain why people are so factional and why even though we know we've hit at least one or two mafia by now, there's still so many people acting oddly.

In my theory, one family was Sasaki/Seamus and either Csar or Masy, possibly both. The other family is General Hank/Myrdraal/Sigurd and Csar or Masy, maybe CR (though he's not the type to outright lie, and I didn't see much wiggle room in his statements last night).

I strongly suspect Husar is innocent, though he certainly could be in either family. Now, why only 1 kill with all these mafia sitting around?

I think the rules are that each mafia gets to attack the town every other night (every 4 days instead of every two). This would also explain why the number of assinations went 2-2-1-2-1-1-...... We lynched a member from one family in the first 2 rounds, so when their turn came around, they only had one hitman. The other family still had both of theirs.

Seamus Fermanagh

11-08-2006, 18:06

Crazed Rabbit

11-08-2006, 18:46

Well, it looks like I'm going down. Thanks a lot.

And I was so close to surviving an entire mafia game as a civilian. But nooooooooooo, everybody decides let's lynch Crazed Rabbit. Gah.

I suppose I am destined never to survive until the end as an innocent.

Sooo... you are saying that the post you made was not meant for this board ..
that you were playing a mafia game on another... and that it was that game that was finished and not this one?

I am not buying it...

Unvote: Husar
Vote:Crazed Rabbit

What? You're voting for me because of what RTWguru said?

Gah. Silver Rusher, when they come to lynch me, please make me stuggle the whole way whilst proclaiming my innocence.

CR

Seamus Fermanagh

11-08-2006, 19:59

What? You're voting for me because of what RTWguru said?

Gah. Silver Rusher, when they come to lynch me, please make me stuggle the whole way whilst proclaiming my innocence.

CR

Hey Rabbit, see ya soon.

I heartily concur, however, with your assessment of Siggy's "stated" reason for listing your name. Patently silly. I suspected you, and still do, but I never lobbed a reason like that into the discussion.

Don Corleone

11-08-2006, 20:03

What is the current tally? Is CR so far ahead of everyone else that one or two votes won't make a difference? I still have my eye on the increasingly mysterious Myrdraal, who's fallen off the face of the Earth these past few days, but I agree that Sigurd and a few other folks are every bit as mysterious.

Husar

11-08-2006, 20:44

I feel the pressure now.
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Abstain
I'm almost sick of it, let's just decide to kill noone because they are all oh-so innocent and wait until the mafia have won...:dizzy2: :wall:
Everyone happy now?:wall:

Seamus Fermanagh

11-08-2006, 20:45

8 live.

7 vote (Divine Wind cannot).

4 have voted for Rabbit thus far (Csar, Husar, Masy, Sigurd).

1 each for Husar (Rabbit) and Myrdraal (Don C.)

1 has not voted (Myrdraal).

20 howl in the outer darkness, crying for vengeance.

Husar

11-08-2006, 20:48

I have another idea:
Why don't you all vote for me, get me lynched and then I can watch the townies lose and relax?:2thumbsup:

Silver Rusher

11-08-2006, 20:49

*****Voting Closed*****

Don Corleone

11-08-2006, 20:50

Look guys, I know this going to make me look guilty as all hell, but CR is not mafia. There's no way he would go way out on a limb, swear up oneside and down the other that he was 100% on the townsfolk's side unless he really was, especially when nobody asked him to. He's gotta be innocent, and frankly, if we're lynch him the game is over.

It's time we all quit talking about how strange Sigurd is acting and we did something about it. Rabbit, Husar, vote Sigurd.

Unvote: Myrdraal
Vote: Sigurd

I swear, I am 100% on the townspeople side. Should I be shown to be lying, ban me from the games forever. I'll even dress in drag and post a pic in the photo thread. I'm not mafia, and neither are Husar or CR. (My crossdressing pledge extends to me only. If one of the two of them has lied to me successfully, I'm not dressing in drag).

Don Corleone

11-08-2006, 20:54

CRAAPPPPP!!!!

One of the two mafia factions are going to win. It's a virtual guarantee that the townies cannot win now. Sorry Rabbit, I tried...

Congratulations Sigurd and Myrdraal. Another mafia win.

If I'm right, and there's really 2 mafia factions out there, PM me. I know the townies can't win anymore, but I'm more than happy to screw Myrdraal and Sigurd any way I can at this point.

Crazed Rabbit

11-08-2006, 21:02

*listens to The End while awaiting the mob*

Alas, my survival to the end was not to be.

CR

Husar

11-08-2006, 21:04

One of the two mafia factions are going to win. It's a virtual guarantee that the townies cannot win now. Sorry Rabbit, I tried...
Only in that virtual world where Silver decided to put in twice as many mafiosi as the first post states, I'd call that a rather big twist because the townies would need to lynch six mafiosi or two godfathers as if one family wasn't hard enough already...:inquisitive:

Silver Rusher

11-08-2006, 21:13

Evening in the Gameroom.

At the time of the execution, Crazed Rabbit was nowhere to be found. However, Chief of Police Divine Wind merely looked at his watch, smiling. It wouldn't be long.

It did, in fact, happen instantly. A scream was heard coming from CR's house, which ended abruptly. The people were about to rush to the scene, but the action was cut by DW's voice.

"Don't worry about it," he said calmly, "I expected him to put up a fight, so I told him he wasn't going to be executed. Instead of lynching him here, I hooked up his shower piping to some freshly mixed aqua regia. It is a deadly mix of nitric acid and hydrochloric acid, strong enough even to dissolve gold. His skin would have oxidised on touch. All that's left in his bathroom is a few bones, although I'm not entirely sure that much is left either."

CR's house was very close to the centre of the town, which is why they heard the scream. However, what happened next could be heard all over the Gameroom. CR's house exploded.

"Ah yes, that's another effect I hadn't told you about. Aqua regia is also very explosive."

Tally:
Crazed Rabbit - 4 votes (Sigurd Fafnesbane, Masy, Csar) :skull:
Abstain - 1 (Husar)
Husar - 1 vote (Crazed Rabbit)
Myrddraal - 1 vote (Don Corleone)
No vote - 1 (Myrddraal)

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418
Proletariat

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Don Corleone
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

7 players remain. PM's please.

Husar

11-08-2006, 21:17

You kinda forgot that I unvoted CR and abstained before the voting was closed.
Not that it makes a difference, but it's important to me.

Don Corleone

11-08-2006, 21:19

Only in that virtual world where Silver decided to put in twice as many mafiosi as the first post states, I'd call that a rather big twist because the townies would need to lynch six mafiosi or two godfathers as if one family wasn't hard enough already...:inquisitive:

We already know from Silver's execution descriptions that there's 4 mafia, plus a Godfather left. We're 99% certain we've nailed at least one, meaning the game started with 5, plus 1 godfather. OR, we had (2 mafia + 1godfather per family) * 2 families.

Silver Rusher

11-08-2006, 21:28

You kinda forgot that I unvoted CR and abstained before the voting was closed.
Not that it makes a difference, but it's important to me.
Sorry about that.

Husar

11-08-2006, 21:36

Sorry about that.
I might forgive you if you will edit it.
edit: Good, you shall be forgiven.

Silver Rusher

11-08-2006, 21:39

I might forgive you if you bother to edit it.
I tried to before, but had edit button problems. (that button needs to be sorted out, it's quite annoying)

Done now, though.

Crazed Rabbit

11-08-2006, 21:54

Bah, like I wouldn't notice the shower was dissolving the shower stall floor.

"Ooo, the water looks especially caustic today. Oh well."

Oh well. I hope you're happy, you evil mafiosos.

I'm still skeptical about the idea of two families; that'd be too difficult.

CR

Sasaki Kojiro

11-08-2006, 22:01

Hmm, I guess Crazed wasn't the Godfather then. The way he was posting a lot while Myrddraal lurked the whole round made that pretty evident already though.

I don't quite get Sigurd. He made really risky moves all game. I'm surprised he voted for Crazed. Still, 2 lynch chances left, providing we don't lynch an innocent this round.

Don Corleone

11-08-2006, 22:06

Give it up, Sasaki... it'll be your gang or it'll be Sigurd's. The townies have already lost. It's just Husar and I left as townies.

Kommodus

11-08-2006, 22:48

Hm, I'm a little skeptical of the two-families theory. I actually thought of it myself earlier, but dismissed it because of two things:

1. It would seem to be an outright contradiction of the rules Silver originally set up.

2. We've only had one kill for the past 5 turns, yet we had two kills on a couple of nights prior to that. That doesn't jive with the idea of the two families alternating who gets to kill someone - an idea which, to me, is a little far-out to begin with. The only possibility is if we really did get one of the Godfathers earlier.

It just seems unlikely to me. Besides, we don't yet know for sure that the game isn't over. All we've seen is the execution; we haven't seen more kills yet.

Assuming the game does continue, I'll be fairly confused. My instinct would be to lynch Sigurd, who's been acting very strange lately, but it's AggonyDuck and not me who is known for having a Mighty Gut (tm). I've had my shot; if I was wrong you should probably all just vote as you think best.

It's still not impossible that Sasaki and Seamus really were guilty after all, and that Masy or Husar would be the Godfather. I think it's unlikely, but if it turns out to be true I'll have been fooled - not by Sasaki's arguments, but by the careless mistakes of our detectives.

Next time I'll go back to my own ways of sniffing out the guilty. This psychoanalysis crap is too unreliable.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-08-2006, 22:51

This psychoanalysis crap is too unreliable.

But it's more fun :yes:

Each to their own I suppose. Anyway, in the description the 4 people were shaking hands. Opposing families wouldn't shake hands, would they?

UltraWar

11-08-2006, 22:54

But it's more fun :yes:

Each to their own I suppose. Anyway, in the description the 4 people were shaking hands. Opposing families wouldn't shake hands, would they?
http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1468520

Sasaki Kojiro

11-08-2006, 22:57

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1468520

All of my posts in the next game are going to be made in this manner.

Csargo

11-08-2006, 22:59

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1468520
:laugh4:

Don Corleone

11-08-2006, 23:41

Well, I'll admit my theory has some gaps. But I'll say this... we've got way too many people acting like mafia for any of this to make sense. Of seven people, I strongly suspect 4, maybe 5, and I'm pretty sure we've taken out at least one.

Okay, I'm going to set myself up as the mafia target. Go ahead and kill me tomorrow guys, cause I'm only going to get louder on this point:

Sigurd has falesely accused and had two people lynched already. Both times he said 'lynch me if I'm wrong', then immediatley began a new crusade against somebody else, or disappeared completely.

Myrdraal has to be the shittiest detective I've ever seen. He's been outed for 3 rounds and hasn't posted in almost a week. Even if he can't investegate anymore, something I'm highly skeptical of, he could at least contribute to the conversation.

I've got plenty of suspicions about Csar (who should have gotten Wrath of Godded after that post he me made leaking roles), Masy (hasn't said boo the whole damned game except to defend himself) and Divine Wind, whom it seems isn't even playing. Just cause you can't vote DW doesn't mean your opinion might not have helped... It's too late for Husar and I, but what the hell, I'll go down fighting. Of all of you, Sigurd and Myrdraal are the most suspicious to me. And the magic coin toss says:

Vote: Sigurd (for way to many reasons to list).

Everyone please note, I'm voting before the assassination so that you can see me take a dirt nap for my comments about Sigurd and Myrdraal.

Csargo

11-08-2006, 23:55

Don Corleone

11-09-2006, 01:32

Sorry Csar, got you confused with RTWGuru.

Myrddraal

11-09-2006, 03:31

Myrdraal has to be the shittiest detective I've ever seen. He's been outed for 3 rounds and hasn't posted in almost a week. Even if he can't investegate anymore, something I'm highly skeptical of, he could at least contribute to the conversation.

Yeah I'm sorry bout that. I'll contribute more tomorrow, I promise. Busy with stuff (including M2TW Gold Day).

Well I could investigate people, but what would be the point? Since we've got two confirmed mafioso, and I can't find the Godfather without GH being alive, what's the point? As such I haven't investigated anyone recently.

Seamus Fermanagh

11-09-2006, 04:31

Yeah I'm sorry bout that. I'll contribute more tomorrow, I promise. Busy with stuff (including M2TW Gold Day).

Well I could investigate people, but what would be the point? Since we've got two confirmed mafioso, and I can't find the Godfather without GH being alive, what's the point? As such I haven't investigated anyone recently.

No routine checks of the deceased to confirm supposed innocent status?

Wouldn't that be useful in analyzing votes and scanning for the elusive GF?

No checks on current players to catch a possible undisclosed role?

Certainly the investigative power is limited with only a solo detective but not entirely useless surely?

Death Match

11-09-2006, 06:05

Sorry Csar, got you confused with RTWGuru.

What are you talking about? How did I leak roles?

Kommodus

11-09-2006, 06:08

No routine checks of the deceased to confirm supposed innocent status?

Wouldn't that be useful in analyzing votes and scanning for the elusive GF?

No checks on current players to catch a possible undisclosed role?

Certainly the investigative power is limited with only a solo detective but not entirely useless surely?

I agree. This is especially true since we don't know what the "twist" will be. It would make more sense to at least try an investigation, even if you probably won't get any useful information out of it.

Crazed Rabbit

11-09-2006, 09:32

Wth Kommodus? You wanted me dead because you believed Myrd a fake.

Gah.

CR
You know, I'm stocking up on tomatoes. And crow.

Sigurd

11-09-2006, 13:18

Time to get the gloves off.
I do beg apologies to you all for being kind of weird in this game, but it was a little experiment on my part. And it was fun too…

The likelihood of there being more than 1 mafia in this game is remote. Too few kills is one major indicator. The Sasaki vs. GH/Myrddraal camps has been interesting to follow and has resulted in a psychological thriller… I contributed off course but here I am at the end of a game as an innocent townie.

There are only two possibilities as I see it. Both GH and Myrddraal is mafia, or Sasaki and Seamus is mafia.

Scenario 1:
Seamus and Sasaki is mafia: their Godfather has not been lynched and is still among us. This means of course that GH and Myrddraal are the detectives they claim to be, that theRTWGuru really did post his detective claim in the wrong forum and of course that the innocent list of GH and Myrddraal’s investigations is correct.
Just too recap (removing those already dead and leaving the Confirmed innocent):

Round 2: Divine Wind (CoP) (innocent)
Round 5: Sigurd Fafnesbane (innocent)

They also believe from their own reasoning that
Don Corleone is innocent.

This leaves as potential Godfathers:
Csar
Masy
Husar.

Scenario 2:
GH and Myrddraal drew from the Godfather’s textbook and created made up roles, claiming to be detectives. This means they are mafia. Anything else would be a bomb.
This means that theRTWGuru probably is the lost detective, that Sasaki and Seamus is as innocent as they claim to be that most likely there are two Mafiosi left in the game; Myrddraal being one of them.

If we take a look at the list again (taking out the dead):

Masy
Csar
Don Corleone (i)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (I)
Husar
Divine Wind (I)
Myrddraal (D)

We know that Myrddraal is faking being detective and almost certainly a Mafioso.
Divine Wind and Sigurd is claimed to be confirmed innocents. Why did GH make such a claim? He must surely have considered his plan failing and as such hidden the GF a little less obvious. I am however not ruling out the possibility. He claimed CR and Don Corleone most likely innocent which leaves Masy, Csar and Husar as the possibly Godfathers. We have to ask ourselves; would he be bold enough to hide his godfather amongst his suspects? Probably not. And we are left with

Don Corleone
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Divine Wind

as possible Godfathers.

One of the 6 players mentioned (not counting DW) will die tonight and should reduce one of the two tallies a little.

As many of you noticed I have wavered between the two scenarios first believing in scenario 1.
After theRTWGuru kind of revealed that he was the detective I decided that scenario 2 was what we were facing and hence I threw my vote for CR hoping to get the Godfather.

After talking with GH on the chat I suspect he is sitting on a bomb about to be released after we lynch a certain candidate. I believe that candidate is Myrddraal. It certainly involves the twist of this game.

So people if you can come up with alternative scenarios I am all ears, but this is how I see it as a now dedicated townie. It is in our grasp to finish this game with a town victory. And how sweet a victory it will be.

Be careful mafia… as to whom you choose to kill.

Sir Moody

11-09-2006, 14:10

I personally believe the twist was that 2 villagers were acting on the behalf of the mafia but not as members - i believe those 2 were gh and mryd but this just a hunch

Seamus Fermanagh

11-09-2006, 14:19

Sig'

Nice layout of the basic scenarios.

I did a similar layout during the round I was lynched. My preference for scenario two was obvious then, and still continues.

As to voting on this scenario (#2 as you lay it out):

You lay out 3 candidates for GF: yourself, Don C, Div Wind; Leaving Masy, Husar, Csar set aside.

Let us assume one of the three non-suspects on your list is killed.

This leaves 6 townies (5 voters), two of whom are mafia (Myrdraal & "X"). If voters seek the GF and miss, and both mafiosi have votes, then the game is over.

Effectively, a belief in the veracity of this scenario mandates the death of Myrdraal in order to keep the voting going long enough to win.

With Myrdraal as the next lynch you get:

Div Wind, Don C, Sigurd, and 2 of our 3 non-suspects. 1 is mafia.

This GF will murder another non suspect.

Now you have Div Wind, Don C, Sigurd, and 1 non-suspect.

If votes fail to lynch the GF (and the odds without some slip are 1 in 3),

then the last non-suspect will be murdered and the mafia role will win. If, however, the Chief is lynched (but innocent), there would be a 50/50 chance that the last innocent townie would become the new chief of police -- and thereby lose OR that the mafioso would be chosen Chief of police -- and therby guarantee that only they can be lynched by the sole vote of the innocent townie. Barring better evidence, Divine Wind must die this round to give the town a 50/50 shot.

Can scenario #1 be valid anyway?

(I still maintain my innocence, but none of you can afford to believe completely in my innocence unless you are mafia and are laughing at my death).

If Sasaki and I were the Grunt Mafia; the Hanky Twist was not fictive, and Myrdraal remains as a gelded detective, then your list of GF candidates would be: Csar, Husar, Masy, and the probably innocent Don Corleone.

We will learn quickly if this scenario is valid. With a GF only able to murder one at a time and several votes still to go, the GF must work to preserve doubt as long as possible, so the murder victims will likely be Sigurd or Myrdraal to keep doubt alive as long as possible.

After the murder there would be 6 left, 5 voting.

Lynch removes possible GF #1. If wrong...

Next murder takes the other of the two above named.

Lynch removes possible GF #2. If wrong...

-- Leaves us with Div Wind, Don Corleone, and the GF, Mafia wins.

Only other option that I can see is a double twist: GH/Myrdraal were BOTH detectives, but some other role exists that can falsely cast guilt on the innocent --- in which case we're more or less doomed.

Sigurd

11-09-2006, 17:18

I agree with you in your reasoning Seamus in scenario # 2
The best cause of action would bee to lynch Myrddraal and then Divine Wind.
Has it occurred to any of you that the twist could just be that the GF is in fact the CoP as it were in the previous Godfather? It was not the intended twist there but became so due to townie elections. This time there were no election and Silver could have deliberately placed the Godfather in that role.

Let's take a look at Divine Wind's posts:

#30
Im in.

*Please please please let me be anything but a villager!*

#35
Please add me to your list SR. I posted this yesterday! I hope that doesnt mean I missed the chance to be a non-villager!
Did Silver comply? both CoP and Godfather?

#143
I do hope the Detective will investigate myself this round, and see I am innocent. The only reason I ask this is because this is the first time in the mafia games ive had a role to play, so it will make it more interesting for me to play till the end

#155
By the way, my role has no privileges or hindsights like the detective. All I do is PM Silver Rusher on how I want the lynched person to be executed!

#200
Gah!

Well im sure your probably innocent Drisos, but I have to look after my own skin mate.

Vote: Drisos

Id just like to remind the detective to investigate me, and see im an innocent Chief of Police just trying to make a living.

If I am investigated and proved innocent, I will benefit the town as I will be one less person that can be touched by the Mafia, raising the chances of us actually lynching one of them. This will be useful at the end of the game, as i would be one less suspect. I realise the detective wont reveal im innocent for quite a few rounds, but its worth keeping me for the reason I cant actually be touched.

Something to think about I guess.

Oh and question for Silver Rusher. If I am killed can I still think up the executions?

#202
The detective should not start pm'ing members just yet, incase he accidently pms a mafia, and would surely be executed in the next round. We need the detective to stay alive as long as possible.

This is the only way of ensuring victory for the villagers.

Here he continously asks the detective to investigate him knowing that a Godfather will come up as innocent.

#206
Wooooah!

Hang on, is it just me or is the voting here wrong again? Should this not be between Drisos and Don? I just went back and could only see two votes for myself, so why am I up for a vote anyway?

I think youve counted it up wrong SR.

#293
I think the problem we have in this game, is that everyone is quite clued up on how to survive the early rounds on Mafia. Basically, keep a low profile, dont post to often, dont accuse, just abstain and bandwagon another players voting reason.

We need to be more actively accusing people. Its when players become more defensive that they make mistakes in their posts, and lead us to small clues and suspicions.

From reading the last few posts, im going to vote for Sigurd. Why? Well because its a good tactic for mafiosa to start bandwagoning votes, and especially being active in the chat room trying to convince other players of your innocence, while actively trying to get another player lynched. On a side note, Sigurd probably realises Kommodus is a clever villager, and wants him out of this game so he does not participate so much in the game.

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

Hehe .. here he mentions that starting a bandwagon is a typical mafia trait... and then he proceeds to start one himself.

#319
Now im confused. I cant vote, but I can be lynched? So all I get to do is choose the executions...

Thats slightly pants.

note this...

#388
Im not liking this, Sigurd / GHC alliance. It seems to me that you both defend each other rather subtlety. I believe there is some deeper stratagem going on between these two, since from the first round they have quietly hinted that they have been in contact with each other, and voted off each ones enemies like Sasaki this round.

I have just come home from a weekend trip... it's 05:40am and I need to get some sleep... Catching up tomorrow later.

Note: This comment was made at 04:42 by Sigurd.

No responses...interesting, especially since several of you are online. Several people just took a jump up in my suspicions. You think you'll get away with quietly letting your vote stand?

At 03:23, by Sasaki.

Now Sasaki, can you tell us whether Sigurd was one of these people online that didnt post?

If he was, then I would find it suspicious that in one hour and 19 minutes, this is the only post he could come up with. Yes it was early, yes Sigurd was probably tired if really has been away for the weekend, BUT who comes online for five minutes at that time in the morning just to read the mafia thread?

I'll tell you! A Guilty Man!

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

a vote all though he has allready realised that he can't

#549
Sorry I havent taked part in any of the discussion for the last few days, my internet went kaput. I'll have a brief read through later on this evening if I get a moment.

#594
I keep reading through these posts thinking about which person I want to vote for, then I remember I cant actually vote!

In the current situation I believe that the mafia will be bandwagoning this *lets kill the lurkers off* strategy. Another comfortable round for them.

Its pretty obvious that the mafia will be somewhat active, as they do need to PM silver rusher for the game to continue, so anyone that hasnt posted like Phil or BKS, is just a waste of a vote.

At the moment im somewhat suspicious of GHC. Mainly because ive noticed hes got rather defensive in this game of mafia, than in previous games. Something to hide perhaps?

again he 'discovers' that he can't vote

#617
So in plain English, you dont have a bloody clue

Ive always suspected GHC so far in this game. Theres something slightly different about the way hes playing, and I dont like it.

Seamus Fermanagh on the outside, seems to so far have been the perfect villager. Contributing very well by displaying voting record facts, which in every case link nothing to himself, and getting through most rounds without an ounce of suspicion.

Tough one to call.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

votes again

#627

Argh, I just realized that Divine Wind can't vote. So I revealed with one vote against me.

GAH!!! My fault GHC, I keep getting tangled up in the game, and then forgetting I cannot vote.

-On top of the Godfather and two mafiosi there will be Detective. He can investigate one person each night to find out if they are innocent or guilty. If he investigates the Godfather, however, it will show up as innocent.

Oh crap.
__________________

last post by our CoP...

I don't know, all though this is taken out of its context I see Godfather trends.
Remember GH saying that this has been a taxing game... well the godfather almost got lynched in the start of the game and it was due to luck that he didn't. They effectively got rid of DW's opposition with the exemption of Xianhou in the early stage of the game. I have been a rouge player in this game and I bet the mafia got a little distracted by this.

I don't know, is DW the Godfather? the town will decide

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To Sasaki's and other's suspicions about the 4 shadows mentioned in the last kill: I read through the prolouge again and noted the following

Vincenzo's Guttering was the name painted on the side of the van that drove casually through the newly repopulated town of Gameroom. It rumbled through the town center and turned, taking the road on the right, without the heads of any of the villagers turning. This sort of company was a common sight around these parts, what with the local obsession with property. About halfway up the road, the van pulled over and 3 modestly dressed 'gutterers' walked up the garden path towards the house they had parked outside. They walked slowly and confidently, in rather an unusual way for gutterers. The first, a man with a large beard and toothless grin dressed in a t-shirt and jeans moved his finger to the doorbell, but before the finger and the bell could make contact the door swung open and the gutterers were greeted by a friendly villager. He caught a glimpse of the van before speaking.

"Ah, brilliant, you are just in time," the villager said in a loud and staged voice, "My gutter really needs help." He leant in close, and, breaking the false air, whispered in a malicious voice "Get in. I have been waiting too long." The three gutterers were quick to oblige.

The front door swung shut behind them and a smile lit up on the villager's face. "Vincenzo's Guttering? You can do better than that."

"It's nice and simple." was the reply from the lead gutterer.

"Vince, Greg, Jake, take a seat." They each pulled up a chair and sat. "Martini?"

"That's a bit stereotypical, isn't it?" Gregorio mused, "Not all us Italians like martini. Oh, and yes, please. Martini is my favourite drink."

"Me too." said Vincenzo and Jacopo consecutively.

The villager picked up a tray of martinis on the counter and put it on the coffee table. "Alright. Now, what's the plan?"

"Yes, the plan." Vincenzo leant in as if he were being watched. "We want you to select two of the town's finest to be your henchmen, and with their help, you will kill everyone-"

"WHAT?!" The villager stood instantly, obviously shocked by this proposal. "You can't be serious! I thought you just wanted by to organise some raids, make a bit of money, that sort of thing. I never signed up to be involved in a massacre."

"I am your superior, and you will do what I say, god-dammit!" Vincenzo was angered by this, "If you don't do what I asked you, your balls will become part of a high voltage electrical circuit before too long. Back to the plan, though. Your henchmen must kill two people each night. The villagers will likely try to execute somebody, and so it is your job to turn the tide against them by making them execute an enemy. There will also probably be a detective, on your trail the whole time and searching for clues. If you find out who this is, you would do well to kill them." He paused. "I think that's all there is. Now get going!" Vincenzo stood, followed by Gregorio and Jacopo. They put on their shoes and were out of the house within seconds. The villager slumped in his chair and buried his head in his hands. No, he wasn't going to sit back and not do his duty. He was to become The Godfather, and he was going to slaughter this sorry town.

there was originally 4 players before the Godfather chose his henchmen, three of them being virtual players.
It would seem that scenario #1 fits with this.. and that there is only the Godfather left. that Silver wrote them speaking of killing a detective could indicate that scenario #1 has some substance.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-09-2006, 17:25

You would use "them" for singular in that sentence, because you don't know if the detective is male or female, so you can't say "him" or "her".

What was your little experiment and what did you conclude?

Crazed Rabbit

11-09-2006, 19:48

Well, I'm glad everyone has realized that I'm not the godfather.

*continues work on tomato catapult*

CR

Masy

11-09-2006, 20:48

Masy (hasn't said boo the whole damned game except to defend himself)

What can I say? I'm just a nice fellow.

Silver Rusher

11-09-2006, 21:41

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quiet.

Don Corleone went out to his favourite restaurant for the evening. Eating fine foods was the only way for him to relax, and with the threat of the mafia constantly looming it was especially difficult for him to relax.

He arrived and sat at his usual table, next to the fish tank. Service was surprisingly quick.

"Hello," said the immacculately dressed waitor, "I am Ivan and I will be your waitor for this evening. Are you ready to order?"

DC eyed him up suspiciously. He had never seen this man in the restaurant before, and none of the other employees ever dressed that well. He must just be new and enthusiastic, DC thought.

"Yes, thank you. I will have the spicy meat-a-balls, with your finest australian red."

The waitor nodded and walked off. He strangely arrived back only a few minutes later, holding the meal and the wine in his hands. He laid the sumptuous looking plate of meatballs in front of DC, and poured him out some wine. DC didn't seem particularly interested in that, though. He began stuffing his face with the spicy meat-a-balls; his suspicions had disappeared when he first saw the plate with them. He was so into the meal that he did not even notice when the waitor pulled out a pistol and pointed it at his head.

He cocked the gun and fired. DC's penetrated head fell straight into the plate.

Chief of Police Divine Wind addressed the dwindling townspeople in the town centre.

"People! Despite our greatest efforts, the killings still have not ended! If we cannot find one who is responsible now, it may be too late to do anything else. Next execution will be done by burning at the stake. Cast your votes - and remember, this is crucially important."

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418
Proletariat
Don Corleone

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
Myrddraal

6 players remaining.

Don Corleone

11-09-2006, 22:06

If you gotta go, go with a smile (and a nice glass of Australian Shiraz). Well, that certainly was a nice way to exit. I'll check back in a while to see what actually happened...

Husar

11-09-2006, 22:25

Now I have die Qual der Wahl.
Anyone volunteering as the next lynchee?
Anyone who does not want to be voted for?
Anyone who might want to give his last comment?
Anyone who has an idea who to lynch next?
Anyone who wants to be spared?
Anyone who wants to explain his views?
Anyone who would like to tell me more than I already know?
Anyone who does not like this post?

Just go ahead, Husar is there and will listen to you.

Sigurd made some comments about why DW might be suspicious, but I cannot really see anything very suspicious there to be honest. He sounds more like he was mighty confuzzled but not like he had an evil plan in the back of his mind, I might want to check another theory now....
edit, this might take ages, the thread is just too long, but I can explain my general idea:
The mafiosi mention who is supicious and those who they mention are very likely not the one who gets killed next since they always kill innocent people. Then again, innocent people get mentioned here and there as well so there might be some knowledge to gain by looking whether there is someone who is still alive who never mentioned someone as suspicious who would get killed right afterwards.
The problem though is, that this theory is trather weak and some who are still alive have fewer posts than the thread has pages so there is not much to gain from this I fear.

Don Corleone

11-09-2006, 22:47

Seamus Fermanagh

11-09-2006, 23:16

-- please note, this is following on Sigurd's "scenario #2" and my comments thereon. It presumes the mafiosi cabal to include GH and Myrd.

The Scenario as is:

-- 6 Townies remain, only 5 of whom may vote.

-- 1 mafioso, the Godfather, must still be active.

-- It is possible that another mafioso is also active.

-- Mafioso #3, General Hankerchief, has already been lynched.

-- Myrdraal is not a detective who has given up investigating, but a mafioso who never could. He is possibly the GF, though this seems unlikely with Hankerchief naming him as his "partner."

This rounds lynchee should be Myrdraal.

--If he is not lynched, and the lynch fails to correctly get the GF, another innocent will be lynched and a 2nd murdered, leaving 1 innocent townie with a vote, two mafia votes and the CofP who cannot vote. Game Over.

--If he is, surprisingly, the GF, its a townie win.

--If he's just a wiseguy, then even following another murder there will be 2 voting townies, 1 GF, and the CofP.

--If it so happens that Divine Wind is the godfather, there would actually be more townies left, and a longer time until mafia victory.

Of the remaining folks:

Divine Wind's voting record is indecipherable. He voted often, claiming to not remember that his votes would not count, but this might have been a ploy. His non-effective votes were for:

Abstain, Drisos, Sigurd, Sigurd, ~, ~, Gen. Hanky, ~, ~

Csar voted:

Abstain, Drisos, Kommodus, Sasaki, Ignoramus, Abstain, ~, Sigurd, Rabbit

This means he voted to kill the known innocents (Drisos & Kommo), the ever-suspicioius Sasaki, and the now-known-not-to-be-a-godfather rabbit.

Husar voted:

Guru, Abstain, Don C, Don C, Iggy, EMFM, Hanky, Seamus, Abstain.

Was clearly gunning for Don C early on, but followed established voting trends or abstained in all subsequent rounds. Difficult to decipher.

Masy voted:

Abstain, Drisos, ~, ~, Iggy, ~, Husar, Csar, Rabbit.

Difficult to assess this. Masy is the last surviving "inactive" voter from the early game. This could be a strategic choice to appear low profile, or just happenstance. He did sit out the close vote to stretch Sasaki.

Sigurd voted:

Abstain, Abstain, Kommo, Don C, Iggy, Prole, ~, Seamus, Rabbit

Most suspicious point is absence of any vote during the Hanky reveal and lynching. Did not vote to off Sasaki, though the Don C vote came late and was effectively after the decision had been reached. Active voter and discussion participant.

Thoughts?

Sasaki Kojiro

11-09-2006, 23:35

Myrddraal's lurking makes him likely to be Godfather imo (btw Sigurd, he also invited the detective to investigate him). I think that in the event there is one mafioso and one godfather left, the mafioso will try to get someone lynched and the godfather will sit back. If the mafioso isn't believed and gets himself lynched then the game isn't over. It's a safe strategy.

It looks to me like Sigurd is the mafioso and Myrddraal is the Godfather. Sigurd has been acting weird all game, drumming up poor cases against people and getting them lynched. He said he was experimenting but hasn't answered my query as to how.

His case against Divine Wind is weak imo. In summary: DW asked Silver for a role and therefore might have it (!?), he asks the detective to investigate him (reasonable evidence, unfortunately useless since Myrddraal did the same), and that he forgot he wasn't supposed to vote. It looks much more like an "attempt to find a lynchee" than "attempt to find godfather".

Also, he makes a long post examining the scenario in which GH and Myrddraal are innocent, but doesn't do a followup examination in which he assumes them guilty.

I think Myrddraal is our best bet for Godfather.

Crazed Rabbit

11-09-2006, 23:37

Kill Husar. Consider; Don says he believes Husar the only other innocent. Who else could Husar kill that woud cast less suspicion on him?

CR

Sasaki Kojiro

11-09-2006, 23:55

Kill Husar. Consider; Don says he believes Husar the only other innocent. Who else could Husar kill that woud cast less suspicion on him?

CR

No, I don't think so. Don believed Husar innocent. 3 votes will be a majority this round. One vote in this situation is huge, it would have been foolish to waste it. Husar would have been forced to kill either Csar or Masy (killing Myrd would remove Sigurd from suspicion and vice versa).

If Csar or Masy were godfather it would have been the best strategy to kill Don.

If Sigurd and Myrddraal were mafia, Don would have been the best choice as well, since Don had been presumed innocent by themselves and they wouldn't have been able to lynch him.

Of course, Husar could have killed Don just to make himself look innocent by this reasoning. I really doubt that, but then I've already made it clear who I think is guilty.

Csargo

11-09-2006, 23:57

I think the GH and Myrd detective thing is a bunch of crap. I doubt Myrd is the Godfather though but it's a possiblity. I don't think he would put himself out so much and take such a risk. My suspicion lies with Sigurd or DW I don't know which one though. God this is so confusing.

Sigurd

11-10-2006, 00:06

It is important now that the dead will voice their opinions, especially the innocent dead. We have until tomorrow at around 2000 GMT+1 to figure this out.

To answer Sasaki’s question first; in the beginning I wanted to act on impulses and my gut reactions, not so much what my brain said. Just to see if it would yield any results. It got me in a lot of trouble though and it was quite funny. Clearly that is not my thing.
It seems though that carelessness gets you far in a mafia game. The townies seem to disregard you because you are overly suspicious. The mafia ignore you or try to use you in their ploy. There was some that tried to drum up a bandwagon on me earlier in the game… What happened? I became less suspicious? Did the mafia realise that I was more worth as a crazy townie that created havoc and disruption amongst the townsfolk than an easy lynch candidate?

Well townies we are at a very crucial point in the game… no mistakes now. Should we follow Seamus’ advice? He is not cleared from his investigation that came up as guilty.
The thing that moves me in the direction of believing him is that I know how hard it is to constantly lie to people you know. It is quite taxing .. huh GH? The night that ended ‘Gotta have more mafia’ I felt tired and dirty. Is this why GH and Myrddraal is keeping their posting activity to a minimal now? I think it is.
The slip ups, theRTWGuru situation, the silence, GH talking cryptic in the chat and other bits and pieces lead me to think that I should vote for Myrddraal. It should have been done yesterday.
Here goes;

Vote:Myrddraal

Husar

11-10-2006, 00:41

A ghostly voice whispers in Husar's ear from beyond the shroud....

Ask yourself why they'd kill me now. What did I say and how did I vote that bought me a bullet. They had some reason for killing me before you.
:laugh4:
That reason was already obvious to me.

Kill Husar.
I said that before but noone listens to me anyway.~;)

Consider; Don says he believes Husar the only other innocent. Who else could Husar kill that woud cast less suspicion on him?
Now you got my evil plan, but why did Don believe in my innocence then? Am I that good at fooling people?

Vote: Myrddraal

Xiahou

11-10-2006, 01:07

I think the town's going to lose personally. If I were still alive, I'd be following the GH and Myrd as detectives path though.

Don Corleone

11-10-2006, 01:23

I have a feeling that this is all going to have a "Usual Suspects" type ending... Silver Rusher and the others that are "In" on it are going to have to explain it at least 3 times. I agree with the idea of civlians working on behalf of the mafia, but I still continue in my belief that there's two mafias out there.

If you believe in the Myrdraal/GH cabal, and you believe that Sigurd has something to do with it, vote Sigurd. He wouldn't throw his boss under the bus that early. That means HE is the boss.

Crazed Rabbit

11-10-2006, 02:44

Alright, if you don't find Husar guilty, vote Sigurd. He's beeen very suspicious, in my view.

CR

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 02:54

Alright, if you don't find Husar guilty, vote Sigurd. He's beeen very suspicious, in my view.

CR

Really? Even though I accused him, thus proving his innocence? ~:eek:

I know GH and Myrddraal are guilty (fake detective thing), and if we accept 3 mafia total then either you or Sigurd are guilty. I'm willing to give Sigurd the benefit of the doubt, especially since he voted Myrd. There's also the fact that you want us to lynch Sigurd...I don't recall you finding him suspicious before, now you suddenly change your mind?

GeneralHankerchief

11-10-2006, 03:16

Ok, I've kept my silence for too long.

Myrddraal and I are not Detectives. There are no Detectives (unless Silver sent RTWguru something weird). There are no mafia. We have been players putting on a performance for Silver Rusher's entertainment. I present to you a PM he sent to me shortly after I received the "Detective PM." It is quoted in the form where no italics are present, unless specifically put in there by him.

Hello GeneralHankerchief,

By now YOU have received my little Pm that I sent to you and Myrddraal detailing your roles as Detectives. but, however, mhmm, it's all a bunch of bologna actually. I like bologna, yum. Anyways, dating

back

to that PM, it's all fake. It's not the true twist, no it isn't Precious. Truth be told, there are no Detectives.

There are no mafia.

There are even no... GODFATHERS!!! :dizzy2: Shocking, isn't it? Would YOU like to know why?

It's because I'm and evil person. See, I even use the evil smiley. :evil: Evil evil evil. :evil: :evil: :evil: Now that I have proven my evilness to YOU, let me explain why I have done this evil thing.

You see, I took a lot of flack (another great word. Flack flack flack. Too bad there's not a smiley for it. I should really ask Tosa about it) in Cosa Nuova for my track record, which I do admit is not the best out there. See, I'm kinda Mad about that. Actually, quite m ad. So, I'm going to be just randomly killing off people, without any mafia involvement thingies. And it will be fun, and brutal.

Oh, btw, YOU and Myrdd should probably still investigate people, just to keep up YOUr cover. The results will be random, however (randomness is funnyy) and I won't care too much about order ro continuity. So watch out for that.

But, I guess, in order to make the game fun, i guess there needs to be some sory of task.

SO, I'm going to pick one person that you need to keep AlIvE for the Game. In this case, it will be Sigurd Fafnesbane. Don't worry, I won't kill him off or anything. I'm not that evil (or am I? Muahahahahahaha :evil:). But if he is executed, YOU all LOSE. Won't that be fun?

So, good luck, play safe, etc. Btw, YOU are allowed to

reveal

this PM at any time, but be careful. If YOU enjoy watching good Mafia (this game *is* Mafia, right? Maybe it's Name That Pharoah :egypt:) games as much as I do, YOU'll do well to keep this PM under wraps.

PS: Do you like codes? I like codes. There's a code in this PM. If YOU crack it, then I pick a mafia/Detective and it's an actual game. Everything in this PM is Fair Game, including this little PS here.

Obviously I was skeptical at first, but after an exchange of PMs with Silver it was clear he wasn't fooling.

But why do this? Everyone enjoyed the last Godfather, and with your rule changes and the amount of people playing this one will surely be better. Isn't this just a stupid experiment? Because you know the town will be mad at you after it's revealed. What's to stop me from just revealing that Sigurd is the key right away?

My dear GH, it's because I like the feeling of being in control. You've hosted four games now, you obviously love it when it's clear that only you know what's going on. I'm sure that you, Sasaki, Myrddraal, Kommodus, and the others will make for a lively game.

But it's more challenge for you to crack the code. If you really want the game to proceed as normal than you have more incentive to work on it. If you really need a hint, fine. Use the rule of four. Until I receive the PM from you that has cracked it, I look forward to an interesting game. Don't let me down.

That is why this game has taxed me so much. That is why I took a round off right after my argument with Sasaki. That is why I defended Sigurd so ardently in one of the rounds. Because I wanted the game to be a normal one.

But time has gone by now, and I have made zero progress. I have no clue what The Rule of Four is, and cannot decipher the PM. So screw it, I really don't care anymore.

Town, it's up to you. If you think you can help crack this code, vote for Myrd by all means. But if you're fed up with this massive deceit, vote Sigurd and stick it in Silver's face. Because I'm done.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 03:26

lol, A for effort GH. But Silvers "annoyed" pm's are a lot more coherant than that.

Also, GH criticized Silver's track record in Cosa Nuova, so it makes no sense that Silver would let him know what was going on this game.

GH and Crazed seem quite eager for us to lynch Sigurd rather than Myrddraal. Maybe he actually is the Godfather and they are using reverse psychology, but the smarter move is to lynch Myrddraal anyway, regardless of what they say.

Don Corleone

11-10-2006, 04:52

Sasaki was lynched, no proof of guilt or innocence.

I was assassinated, proven innocent.

If what General Hank says is true (and I seriously doubt it), then there's no winning this game for the townies. Silver will keep shifting the rules all along until he gets the result he wants. To that end, do what will annoy Silver the most.

If he's lying, he's trying to save Sigurd. Likewise, everyone's favorite undead mafia, Sasaki, is trying to save Sigurd.

Add to that Sigurd's track record of getting people lynched on falsified evidence.

Csar, Masy, Husar... you know what to do.

Kommodus

11-10-2006, 05:09

Gah. I say lynch Sigurd just to find out if it's true or not. If we all "lose" the game because Sigurd dies, well... who really cares about winning or losing under such circumstances?

And BTW...

GeneralHankerchief[/B] quoting Silver Rusher]
I'm sure that you, Sasaki, Myrddraal, Kommodus, and the others will make for a lively game.

Why the heck would I be mentioned here? I had no special role.

Anyway, if this is true (which strikes me as a bit of a long shot), I'm glad I never wasted the time required to finish my new numerical method. It would've been useless in such a situation.

Ah, do whatever you like. Maybe Myrddraal really is the most likely to be a villain of some kind (mafioso or Godfather). As for me, I'll be walking around wearing goggles in anticipation of my upcoming tomato bombardment. :tomato: :tomato: :tomato:

Csargo

11-10-2006, 06:00

Vote: Sigurd I say we find out if it's true or not. I wouldn't put it past Silver to do something like this.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 06:17

GeneralHankerchief

11-10-2006, 06:27

Gah. I say lynch Sigurd just to find out if it's true or not. If we all "lose" the game because Sigurd dies, well... who really cares about winning or losing under such circumstances?

And BTW...

I'm sure that you, Sasaki, Myrddraal, Kommodus, and the others will make for a lively game.

Why the heck would I be mentioned here? I had no special role.

This exchange was sent at the beginning of the game. My guess is that Silver just put in all the previous Mafia vets plus his unsuspecting "Detective."

Crazed Rabbit

11-10-2006, 06:45

Really? Even though I accused him, thus proving his innocence?

Gee, what reason would I have for encouraging a lynch of Sigurd? (Hint: Revenge)

Anwyas, GH you're a terrible person if you're lying. And if you're not, Silver is a terrible person.

CR

Death Match

11-10-2006, 09:47

"...making them execute an enemy. There will also probably be a detective,...

So there is only one? Oh crap.... The town is screwed. You just can't win without one. That is not possible.

Husar

11-10-2006, 12:34

If he's telling the truth (extremely doubtful) then the game was a sham from the beginning and lynching sigurd or anyone else has no meaning.

If he's lying, why would we do what he wants us to do? It seems pretty clear that it's an effort to save Myrddraal who has two votes on him. If the game isn't over after lynching Myrddraal we'll know the truth anyway.
Agreed.

Anwyas, GH you're a terrible person if you're lying. And if you're not, Silver is a terrible person.
Also agreed. Had I read the rules more carefully and/or noticed that it said twist, I might have not signed up, next twisty game sounds like a nono for me...:thumbsdown:

My vote still stays, Mister Myrddraal(notice the correct spelling, it's really easy ~;)) is the next on the list, I encourage all true townies to join in.:2thumbsup:

Kommodus

11-10-2006, 14:13

Yeah, on second thought, sticking with Myrddraal is the better choice. He should be lynched regardless of whether GH is telling the truth or not.

It's plain now that GH has lied at least once, and therefore so has M. They're either mafia or they're telling the truth and there are no mafia. If they are mafia, and they were OK with M being lynched, they wouldn't have tried anything to change it - they'd simply have let it happened.

So forget what I said earlier. Stick with Myrddraal as your next target.

Sigurd

11-10-2006, 14:47

So there is only one? Oh crap.... The town is screwed. You just can't win without one. That is not possible.

Again thRTWGuru implies that he was the only detective... and GH has dropped his bomb as promised. I didn't think it would be a confession of not being the detectives after all. It does seem like a last desperate attempt to shield the Godfather.
My vote stands.

If by chance it is true... I mean, come on Silver… do not drag petty divergences into a game of Mafia. All though this has been an exercise in psychology you will have trouble signing this player on to any of your future games. Strict objectivity and a clear mind are invariable qualities of a narrator. As of yet you are innocent in all this and will be until the end of this game. Do not feel the need to respond to any of this as it will preserve your objectivity.

GH is in character and even though it is all a lie we should not think less of him. I once mentioned that every new game of Mafia needs better stories and better skills at presenting them as we all evolve and become more experienced players. The skills needed to win a game now are certainly higher than they have been in previous games.

[edit]: Oh.. before I forget. I will be busy during this weekend and will not be able to post much. You will not find me in the chat tonight or tomorrow night.
Sunday night I might be able to pop in. (2100 GMT+1)

Proletariat

11-10-2006, 15:10

Good posts from both Sasaki and Sigurd here. Just get rid of Myrd and cross your fingers that this whole game wasn't a complete sham. It's coming down to whether you'd expect mafia game nastiness from either GH or Silver..

:inquisitive:

Myrddraal

11-10-2006, 15:19

Wow. I would like to inform everyone here, that I had no idea about this suposed twist by Silver...

Firstly, I'd like to say, I don't believe a word of it. As Sasaki says, my initial PM was more coherent than that, and the mistakes there were were spelling, rather than line spacing, out of place spaces, and capitalised letters. This twist is obviously forged.

So the problem I'm faced with now is that I've played the entire game in the belief that I was the joint detective with GH, only, obviously for some reason he seems to feel the need to lie, to me and to the town.

I can only conclude that the 'twist' is that GH is either a mafia, or a mafia supporter, and that he's been manipulating me to reveal misleading advice to the town. In which case I cannot be sure of my previous investigations, or of our joint ones, in fact, dare I say I'd be inclined to say they are not correct.

I must say, I take my hat off to you Silver, this has been a great game :bow: I've got that strange feeling you get at the end of a really good film :grin: I also think this twist is more in keeping with the manipulatative style of the previous game.

Assuming this is the case (personally I'm convinced it is), I think we should look to the list of investigation results. If they were planted by the mafia, then they must have been designed to mislead. Of those named innocent or probably innocent by GH, only two remain:

Sigurd Fafnesbane (I)
Divine Wind (I)

Sigurd

He posted very strangly in the first few rounds, resulting in the lynching of two innocents. After the first innocent was lynched, there was no kill. Perhaps they decided he needed cover, then next round realised that not making two kills for the rest of the game would be dangerous. Then when he's in danger next time, myself and GH 'investigate' him, and he comes up innocent...

He then supports us (if I remember correctly) when we reveal.

Divine Wind

He's the CoP, he can't be killed at night, and that give him excellent cover for surviving so late in the game. His voting pattern has also been bizarre.

Vote:Sigurd

I really think we've got em this time... I'm excited, just in case you hadn't notice.

Now about something different. I remember Sasaki posting this early on in the game:

Prologue Vincenzo
Kill 1 Gameroom Quarry
Lynch 2 Gameroom Pond
Kill 3 Cessna Skyhawk
Kill 4 Get Yer 'orses Stable
Kill 5 Elephant and Cannon Pub

He was talking about words which had been bolded in the kill messages saying he thought he saw a pattern.

GH now talks about 'a code' to crack in the game. Perhaps this bit was true? To make the rest seem more credible? Did anyone keep track of the words which were bolded in the other kill messages?

This is fun

Myrddraal

11-10-2006, 15:24

I'm heading to the chat...

Seamus Fermanagh

11-10-2006, 15:46

and now, barring a shift in votes that seems unlikely, the entire game hinges on Masy.

So Masy, what will you do.....

Drisos

11-10-2006, 16:42

Vote: Silver Rusher :whip:

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 17:16

So the problem I'm faced with now is that I've played the entire game in the belief that I was the joint detective with GH, only, obviously for some reason he seems to feel the need to lie, to me and to the town.

I can only conclude that the 'twist' is that GH is either a mafia, or a mafia supporter, and that he's been manipulating me to reveal misleading advice to the town. In which case I cannot be sure of my previous investigations, or of our joint ones, in fact, dare I say I'd be inclined to say they are not correct.

Assuming this is the case (personally I'm convinced it is), I think we should look to the list of investigation results. If they were planted by the mafia, then they must have been designed to mislead. Of those named innocent or probably innocent by GH, only two remain:

Sigurd

I'm sorry, this doesn't cut it. In the pm posted by GeneralH, it showed that you had pm'd Silver with an investigation choice and the General stated that the way it worked was you both sent pm's to silver and he chose one of them to reply to both of you with. There is no way GeneralH could fabricate the results to mislead you. If he is lying then you are lying, and you have just admitted that he lied.

GH and I want to investigate Sasaki this round. Is that allowed even if he's dead?

Yes, that is allowed.

Sasaki is guilty!

Before being executed, he killed UltraWar and Sir Moody. However, he is not the Godfather.

As far as quoting Myrddraal's original "Did Sasaki do it?" PM, I suspect Silver did it out of convenience. My guess is that Myrddraal sent the later PM and Silver just replied to both of us.

Also, if Sigurd and GH were mafiosos and you are innocent, then they could have done absolutely nothing and let the town lynch you. Instead GH posts a wild pm and urges the town to lynch his mafia partner? Yeah, sure :dizzy2:

Husar

11-10-2006, 17:22

Dear Myrddraal, you were rather quiet in those last rounds and now that you got two votes you come out of your hole, and present us some evidence claiming that you found the godfather who should be Sigurd?
I don't really believe it, sounds more like a desperate attempt to stay alive.

Masy

11-10-2006, 19:40

and now, barring a shift in votes that seems unlikely, the entire game hinges on Masy.

So Masy, what will you do.....

No pressure. Jeez, this game has become even more confusing...

2 Scenarios for me:

1) GH is telling the absolute truth. :inquisitive:
2) GH is pushing this BS in to steer us away from Myrddraal, who he obv doesn't want dead: why would he make such an insane post if he wasn't mafia? Cos he's surely not helping the town out.

Twice he's tried to take Myrddraal off the radar. First with the whole "he's a secreter secret detective" stuff. Now, he's noticed that Myrddraal is heading for a lynching, and has tried some drastic action to shift the focus.

Csar:

Vote: Sigurd I say we find out if it's true or not. I wouldn't put it past Silver to do something like this.

I believe this is exactly what GH wants, he wants us to to test his genuineness with the "Sigurd can't die thing", because he wants us to kill Sigurd (who is already under suspicion by some, so a probable lynch choice anyway.)

More proof?

Myrddraal

Wow. I would like to inform everyone here, that I had no idea about this suposed twist by Silver...

Firstly, I'd like to say, I don't believe a word of it

Right. Distance yourself from GH. Convince us that your nothing to do with him, so after this round we don't gun for you. Yet you vote for Sigurd anyway. Also, why have you been so inactive if you're supposedly part of this crazy scheme by Silver? Oh right. I forgot. You didn't know about it, and GH is nothing to do with you...

And Csar, I've had suspicions about you from the start, and your vote for Sigurd leaves me to believe your mafia, along with Myrddraal and GH (ex).

GH now talks about 'a code' to crack in the game. Perhaps this bit was true? To make the rest seem more credible? Did anyone keep track of the words which were bolded in the other kill messages?

Yes, distract us with more nonsense from this ludicrous post, keep our eyes offa you...

I have not posted much, and threatened few in this game. Well, hows this:

Vote: Myrddraal

And I believe GH was also, and Csar is, in the mafia.

Note: I could be way off track here entirely, but it's all drawing to a close anyway...

Csargo

11-10-2006, 20:39

I didn't base my vote off of anything GH or Myrd have been saying cause I think it's a bunch of BS. I voted Sigurd because I think he is the Godfather or DW which seems more likely to be it now that I think about it. I highly doubt that Myrd is the Godfather that would be putting himself way to far out there to be lynched(which is happening as we speak). I would change my vote to DW but that would be pointless now.

Silver Rusher

11-10-2006, 20:42

*****Voting Closed*****

Kommodus

11-10-2006, 20:46

Well, here's the thing.

When GH showed up and posted the "quote" from Silver Rusher, Myrddraal was getting a majority of the votes; it was looking like he'd be lynched. After GH posted, more votes started coming in for Sigurd - heck, my gut reaction was to lynch SF.

Now if GH was a mafioso and Myrddraal was innocent, GH would've just left well-enough alone - he would never try a wierd stunt like that when things were going his way. So I think that the scenario in which GH is guilty and M is innocent is the least likely.

That leaves two scenarios:

1. Both GH and M are guilty. This would explain why GH tried to save M's life.

2. GH's quoted PM is authentic, and Silver really is playing a strange game indeed. In this scenario, GH would've been the only one to receive Silver's second PM, explaining why he defended himself so vigorously.

So I think the right thing to do here is to lynch Myrddraal, on the hope that this game is still for real. Sorry M; you might be just another innocent guy caught up in a bizarre game.

EDIT: Oops, that post got delayed and now I see it's irrelevant. Looks like M's going down after all.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 20:54

2. GH's quoted PM is authentic, and Silver really is playing a strange game indeed. In this scenario, GH would've been the only one to receive Silver's second PM, explaining why he defended himself so vigorously.

Silver wouldn't do that :balloon2:

Besides, it was GH criticizing his track record in the last game so silver wouldn't have let him in on the secret; GH has been taking the game way more seriously than he would if the whole thing was a sham; theRTWGuru seems to have gotten a detective pm; and silvers pm's don't look like that when he's annoyed. There's also no code that I can see in the pm, though I could just be dense...I couldn't find a code in the bolded sections of the kills either.

Silver Rusher

11-10-2006, 21:02

Evening in the Gameroom.

Another day, another execution. Soon, only 5 people, that's right, 5, would be left standing. It was a ghost town, with a few survivors still trying to root out whoever had been committing these murders.

The townspeople, at that time, could only feel afraid and sick. However, they got a good laugh that evening.

Chief of Police Divine Wind walked onto to the town centre dressed in a medieval coat of mail armour, complete with norman helmet and tabard with a plantagenet emblem. He was also carrying a billhook. Even Myrddraal couldn't help laughing.

"Hear ye, hear ye," he unscrolled a handbill and began reading, "Myrddraal hast been found guilty by thine townspeople and is sentenced to death by burning at the stake."

In keeping with the execution method, he had tried to keep up a medieval facade. But this was broken when he began pouring petrol over the bound collection of sticks and twigs. He then quickly fastened Myrddraal to it, and set it alight.

The stake didn't even catch fire. This annoyed DW, and he looked at the bottle from which he had poured the petrol.

"Spring Water" were the words written on it.

"Zounds, I do not have the patience for this!" DW exclaimed, attracting more laughs, before stabbing Myrddraal in the neck with his billhook.

Tally:
Myrddraal - 3 votes (Masy, Husar, Sigurd Fafnesbane) :skull:
Sigurd Fafnesbane - 2 votes (Myrddraal, Csar)

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418
Proletariat
Don Corleone

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit
Myrddraal

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind

5 players remain. PM's please.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 21:13

Well I guess they put one over on us that round. I guess Crazed was innocent. Sigurd is possibly innocent, they would have had to play a risky game this last round if he's the gf.

going to reread Csar's posts.

Kommodus

11-10-2006, 21:25

Oh well. Either the game is over now, or there is at most one more round of voting. Assuming the latter is true, I really don't care who you pick to lynch.

Sasaki, I wish I were as convinced as you that this game hasn't been a farce. I see a couple of potential problems with your argument:

1. You say Silver's annoyed PMs don't look like that. But it wasn't annoyance I sensed in that message; more like amusement.

2. Your argument is primarily based on your belief that "Silver wouldn't do that." Really? Are you sure? How well do you really know the guy?

Make no mistake; I'd like to believe you. But the "twist" described by GH really does fit with our observations in this game so far.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 21:33

Oh well, if it has been I have a handy instagib button ~D

I thought the game was clear cut and over with, but now I have to decide whether it's Sigurd or Csar that is the godfather.

Masy

11-10-2006, 21:34

When GH showed up and posted the "quote" from Silver Rusher, Myrddraal was getting a majority of the votes; it was looking like he'd be lynched. After GH posted, more votes started coming in for Sigurd - heck, my gut reaction was to lynch SF.

Now if GH was a mafioso and Myrddraal was innocent, GH would've just left well-enough alone - he would never try a wierd stunt like that when things were going his way. So I think that the scenario in which GH is guilty and M is innocent is the least likely.

Thats what I believe, and thats what I'm hoping (Otherwise Silver is really stringing us all along and the whole game was a waste of time.)

My (current) predictions:

Csar/Myrd/GH - MAFIA

Here's hoping.

Seamus Fermanagh

11-10-2006, 21:46

5 Left: Csar, Divine Wind, Husar, Masy, Sigurd Fafnesbane

1 doomed to die.

Remaining will be 3 voters and 1 non-voter, 1 of whom must be mafia.

Cases can be made for anyone at this point -- see my earlier posts.

If Mafia has a vote, this is the last round: get the mafia or its a 1-1 tie, followed by a murder, followed by a dead CofP for the mafia win.

If Mafia has no vote, then next round is the last round. If you lynch an innocent and the result is not a mafia win, then only Divine Wind can be the Godfather as he is the only one who lacks a vote and cannot force a tie. Lacking a vote he is outnumbered and the game is over with a townie win.

Unfortunately, that means that a mafia win is 50% likely, even at this stage.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 21:55

So we can leave DW out of it then?

5 alive now -1 killed tonight
4 alive -1 wrong lynch - 1 kill

1 townie + DW

townie votes for DW we win.

Crazed Rabbit

11-10-2006, 21:58

Well, somehow its come down to the three suspects GH and Myrd had left after Seamus surviving to this round.

I still think it is either Husar or Masy.

Kommodus- I hope your fragile ectoplasm is ready for a full barrage of tomatos...from beyond the compost heap!

Crazed Rabbit

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 22:04

Wow Crazed, you really do try and make yourself look guilty. I'm almost convinced that there's some kind of twist where you are at least a mafia helper. Myrddraal said GH was lying and he didn't trust him anymore, remember?

Crazed Rabbit

11-10-2006, 22:07

Ok, now I'm confuzzled.

Either way, I honestly don't suspect Sigurd or Divine wind, or Csar, which leaves Husar and Masy.

CR

Ignoramus

11-10-2006, 22:32

It's Csar I reckon.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 22:57

Oh man how did I miss that. I guess Csar always seems pretty innocent. I went back through the thread and there is a history of Csar cooperating with GH and Myrd (who have now been proven guilty--see my post above, GH lied, Myrd called him a lier, but there is no way Myrd could not have been in on it). But the early part isn't as important as the last couple rounds.

After Seamus is lynched, with 9 alive. theRTWGuru claims he is detective. Sigurd quotes his post and says he thinks GH and Myrddraal were full of it and Myrddraal is probably a mafioso.

I think the GH and Myrd detective thing is a bunch of crap. I doubt Myrd is the Godfather though but it's a possiblity. I don't think he would put himself out so much and take such a risk. My suspicion lies with Sigurd or DW I don't know which one though. God this is so confusing

So, he doesn't think GH or Myrd were detectives but he's not going to vote for Myrd. Instead he accuses Sigurd and DW, an accusation later echoed by Myrddraal.

Crazed Rabbit just lynched. 6 alive. 2 mafia. If they lynch a townie, they win. Sigurd votes Myrddraal. This is the biggest thing in his favor right now. I just can't see the sense in doing that if you were mafia. It's 3 votes to lynch and you have a gauranteed 2 votes in the pocket. It is possible that Sigurd wished to "prove" his innocence here, but it's still a risky move.

GH posts some stuff urging the town to vote Sigurd. Csar votes Sigurd. Myrddraal votes Sigurd. Will you look at that.

If Csar is godfather: He kept a fairly low profile throughout the game, not throwing out many serious accusations, joking around, and cooperating with 2 known mafiosos.

If Sigurd is godfather: He made outlandish accusations starting from round 2, asking to be lynched if he was wrong, genuinely tried to stop me from being lynched when his fellow mafioso were trying to and I was accusing them strongly, accused his fellow mafioso with 9 alive, and voted for him with 6 alive when lynching a townie would win the game. The only way this works is if he had decided from the start to play a bold game, and planned from a coulpe of rounds back to ditch Myrddraal to make himself look innocent. He also sounds genuine. His opinion of my guilt/innocence has gone back and forth. If he's guilty he's played a really good game.

I have to say it's really looking like Csar. I'd like to hear from both of them however.

Proletariat

11-10-2006, 23:02

Csar, a chat room regular, has also been conspicuously absent from the org chat around basically this time period. He's been blaming it on technical issues, but it's possible he didn't wanna have to be around us lieing all night, since 60% of the chatting in there is mafia related. Today he's back in as his chat problems are supposedly not as bad.

I don't know what's wrong with his chat client, but it seems to me with irc programs, they either work or they don't (you're isp is banned from the server or whatever). Csar, can you describe what problems you're having with it?

Csargo

11-10-2006, 23:29

Oh man how did I miss that. I guess Csar always seems pretty innocent. I went back through the thread and there is a history of Csar cooperating with GH and Myrd (who have now been proven guilty--see my post above, GH lied, Myrd called him a lier, but there is no way Myrd could not have been in on it). But the early part isn't as important as the last couple rounds.

After Seamus is lynched, with 9 alive. theRTWGuru claims he is detective. Sigurd quotes his post and says he thinks GH and Myrddraal were full of it and Myrddraal is probably a mafioso.

I think the GH and Myrd detective thing is a bunch of crap. I doubt Myrd is the Godfather though but it's a possiblity. I don't think he would put himself out so much and take such a risk. My suspicion lies with Sigurd or DW I don't know which one though. God this is so confusing

So, he doesn't think GH or Myrd were detectives but he's not going to vote for Myrd. Instead he accuses Sigurd and DW, an accusation later echoed by Myrddraal.

Answered that in the same post Sasaki. There's no point in voting for a mafioso when your trying to get the Godfather and I thought Myrd was only a mafia goon not the Godfather. Which it seems that I was right:beam:

Crazed Rabbit just lynched. 6 alive. 2 mafia. If they lynch a townie, they win. Sigurd votes Myrddraal. This is the biggest thing in his favor right now. I just can't see the sense in doing that if you were mafia. It's 3 votes to lynch and you have a gauranteed 2 votes in the pocket. It is possible that Sigurd wished to "prove" his innocence here, but it's still a risky move.

I think it's quite smart actually and it seems to be working like a charm on you Sasaki:smash:

GH posts some stuff urging the town to vote Sigurd. Csar votes Sigurd. Myrddraal votes Sigurd. Will you look at that.

I haven't believed anything GH or Myrd has posted so far. Why the hell would I believe some crack-pot story of GH'sthat he most likely made up?

If Csar is godfather: He kept a fairly low profile throughout the game, not throwing out many serious accusations, joking around, and cooperating with 2 known mafiosos.

I haven't had much to throw out there you and all the other people pretty much did all that me chiming in would have been pointless. I always joke around Sasaki:beam: What the hell when did I cooperate with the two know Mafioso's?

If Sigurd is godfather: He made outlandish accusations starting from round 2, asking to be lynched if he was wrong, genuinely tried to stop me from being lynched when his fellow mafioso were trying to and I was accusing them strongly, accused his fellow mafioso with 9 alive, and voted for him with 6 alive when lynching a townie would win the game. The only way this works is if he had decided from the start to play a bold game, and planned from a coulpe of rounds back to ditch Myrddraal to make himself look innocent. He also sounds genuine. His opinion of my guilt/innocence has gone back and forth. If he's guilty he's played a really good game.

I have to say it's really looking like Csar. I'd like to hear from both of them however.

Prole look in the Chat Trouble in the Watchtower and you'll see what my problem is. ;)

Csargo

11-10-2006, 23:32

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 23:40

It took you a really long time to type that.

To answer you,

You voted with GH and Myrd several times this game. You say you don't believe anything GH says, so why did you vote for Sigurd when GH told you too?

Csargo

11-10-2006, 23:47

Sasaki Kojiro

11-10-2006, 23:49

Vote: Sigurd I say we find out if it's true or not. I wouldn't put it past Silver to do something like this.

^^here

Csargo

11-11-2006, 00:00

Vote: Sigurd I say we find out if it's true or not. I wouldn't put it past Silver to do something like this.

^^here

I think the GH and Myrd detective thing is a bunch of crap. I doubt Myrd is the Godfather though but it's a possiblity. I don't think he would put himself out so much and take such a risk. My suspicion lies with Sigurd or DW I don't know which one though. God this is so confusing

I also said here that I thought it was Sigurd or DW. That proves nothing. There's nothing wrong with trying to finding out if it was true or not is there? But it seems that other's didn't agree with me.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 00:08

GH was a mafioso, and Myrddraal was a mafioso. You agree with this you said so yourself. Then why did you find Sigurd suspicious, given that he voted for Myrddraal?

GH posted that sham pm thing hoping that people would read it and want to find out what happens if Sigurd is lynched. You, as another mafioso, would support his effort by voting for Sigurd. And yes there is a problem with trying to find out if it's true, if it wasn't and Sigurd had been lynched the mafia would have won last round.

Csargo

11-11-2006, 00:13

Myrddraal

11-11-2006, 01:44

I'm sorry, this doesn't cut it. In the pm posted by GeneralH, it showed that you had pm'd Silver with an investigation choice and the General stated that the way it worked was you both sent pm's to silver and he chose one of them to reply to both of you with.

Either you didn't read my post, or you are misleading again. I recieved the initial PM from Silver. It informed me of my position, and of GH. I also recieved the results from Silver. It was authentic, or at least, it was supported by Silver.

However, GH lied to me. I can see no other solution.

All I'll say is this. I have no idea who's guilty any more, not even you Sasaki. The only person I'm convinced of is GH.

However, now you've lynched me, you can't afford to screw up again. My suspicions lie with Sigurd or Divine Wind. I think Husar, Csar and Masy are innocent, because they weren't investigated and proven innocent in our investigations.

However, I'm sure you'll once more sweep my ideas under the carpet and continue to plunge in to the abyss. Just remember, we either have a Godfather and a mafioso left (in which case we must vote correctly this round to win), or just a Godfather, in which case we have two rounds.

I'm 99.9% convinced that either Sigurd of DW are the godfather, and that's where my vote would lie were I still alive. I think GH's supposed pm is just a fake, and a bad one too. However, since I've been lynched, I think my credibility is gone.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 01:49

Either you didn't read my post, or you are misleading again. I recieved the initial PM from Silver. It informed me of my position, and of GH. I also recieved the results from Silver. It was authentic, or at least, it was supported by Silver.

However, GH lied to me. I can see no other solution.

...and that he's been manipulating me to reveal misleading advice to the town. In which case I cannot be sure of my previous investigations, or of our joint ones, in fact, dare I say I'd be inclined to say they are not correct.

...

Assuming this is the case (personally I'm convinced it is), I think we should look to the list of investigation results. If they were planted by the mafia, then they must have been designed to mislead. Of those named innocent or probably innocent by GH, only two remain:

Hmm? How could the investigation results have been planted by a mafia GH without you being a mafioso? It's not like he could have sent in requests to silver and lied to you about the results.

Myrddraal

11-11-2006, 02:00

I don't think you understand.

The results were sent to me by Silver, not by General Handkerchief. However, I think General Hanky was PMing Silver with the results of the investigation which were being passed to me. Either that or GH was playing a very strange game indeed.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 02:12

Yeah, sure. All of the original problems of the pm still stand you realize. On that note:

As Sasaki says, my initial PM was more coherent than that, and the mistakes there were were spelling, rather than line spacing, out of place spaces, and capitalised letters. This twist is obviously forged.

How delightful. This pm is obviously forged while the other one, despite all the irregularities mentioned, is obviously genuine.

If not to save you, then why did GH make up that pm? And why is the only possibility now that it is posted that he is a mafioso double agent? And why are you certain the "false" investigation list is a clue to the mafia? And why do you think it is Sigurd rather than Divine Wind?

There are too many questions you just don't have good answers for.

Myrddraal

11-11-2006, 02:22

What! I just can't get over these baseless attacks on me Sasaki!

And why is the only possibility now that it is posted that he is a mafioso double agent?

OK, so maybe he's not. Give me a better reason why he'd lie to me! And don't bother replying with a one liner saying I'm mafia. We've heard it all before, if you believe that, then my posts are worthless anyway.

And why are you certain the "false" investigation list is a clue to the mafia?

Look, it's really logical ok.

Possibility 1: If myself and GH were mafia, we would have included the godfather in the innocent or probably innocent category.

Possibility 2: If I am innocent, then GH would have included the godfather and any mafioso investigated in the innocent list.

Possibility 3: GH is telling the truth, we're all being had.

Either way, the evidence points to that list! How hard can it be, really! TBH, if I were mafia I wouldn't be bothing posting now, it seems whenever I post, Sasaki posts straight back to say: it doesn't add up, when it just does, and everyone does exactly the opposite of what I say...

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 02:40

What! I just can't get over these baseless attacks on me Sasaki!

You said I was guilty remember. You haven't been acting like a detective, and your story "doesn't add up".

OK, so maybe he's not. Give me a better reason why he'd lie to me! And don't bother replying with a one liner saying I'm mafia. We've heard it all before, if you believe that, then my posts are worthless anyway.

He didn't lie to you.

Look, it's really logical ok.

Possibility 1: If myself and GH were mafia, we would have included the godfather in the innocent or probably innocent category.

Possibility 2: If I am innocent, then GH would have included the godfather and any mafioso investigated in the innocent list.

Possibility 3: GH is telling the truth, we're all being had.

Either way, the evidence points to that list! How hard can it be, really! TBH, if I were mafia I wouldn't be bothing posting now, it seems whenever I post, Sasaki posts straight back to say: it doesn't add up, when it just does, and everyone does exactly the opposite of what I say...

Possibility 1: I'm not certain I would have done that in your place
Possibility 2: I'm not certain I would have done that in his place
Possibility 3: No way

In mafia it is never the case that all the evidence points a certain way, and you can't be sure a mafioso would make a certain choice. If you can be sure they would make a choice then they would make the opposite to fool you except you would know they would do that but then again they would know you would know etc etec around and around.

This is why I say your story doesn't add up, and thus your accusation of Sigurd and his vote for you continue to be points in his favor, and Csar's behavior vis a vis you and GH is a sign of guilt, however much you don't want that to be the case.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 02:48

Husar

11-11-2006, 02:54

Hah, interesting to see how many suspicions were thrown around in my absence, I am now completely uncertain who could be connected with all this.
My suspicion now goes a bit towars Sigurd but I decided to stick to him now even if he is mafia, this simply makes my life easier and he is the only one who gives a bit of a reason to believe that he is innocent. The others didn't post enough for me to form any real opinion on them.
I would go for Divine Wind now and I believe that Csar and Masy are innocent.
Especially Csar seems to be rather innocent, he could come up with a good reasoning for all his flaws.

Myrddraal

11-11-2006, 03:18

Also, one other point Myrddraal. You wish us to believe that for the twist in this game, Silver removed the detective and replaced him with a mafia pawn who would never discover any useful information and could instead be used to confuse the town, while giving one of the mafia an alibi in the form of a detective pm? Balance? Helloooo?

Well umm.... no.

Let me make this as simple as possible:

What I know:
I recieved a PM from Silver informing that both I and GH were detectives.
I recieved PM's from Silver detailing the results of investigations.
GH has now posted a story I cannot accept, which means he must have lied to me.

What I'm assuming:
I was a dummy detective, misled into believing that I was real. Possible chosen by the godfather?
GH had a manipulatative role, possibly mafia, possibly not, possibly chosen by the godfather.
There was another, real detective, probably RTW_Guru.

I'm sorry if I'm being sarcastic Sasaki, but I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. If this is revenge for proclaiming you guilty, I have no idea if you are. You might well be, since the investigation was after your death, it might have suited GH to 'reveal' you as mafia so that we couldn't narrow down our choices too much.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 03:33

[QUOTE]What I know:
I recieved a PM from Silver informing that both I and GH were detectives.
I recieved PM's from Silver detailing the results of investigations.
GH has now posted a story I cannot accept, which means he must have lied to me.

It doesn't actually. If you were actually both detectives he could have posted that to help you out. Detectives are allowed to lie too you know. It merely suits your needs to disassociate yourself from him now that he is percieved as guilty.

What I'm assuming:
I was a dummy detective, misled into believing that I was real. Possible chosen by the godfather?
GH had a manipulatative role, possibly mafia, possibly not, possibly chosen by the godfather.
There was another, real detective, probably RTW_Guru.

How is that more balanced than what I posted? If rtwGuru had claimed in your scenario, GH and/or you would have posted and said he was lying and you had proof, and the mafia would have dropped the kills after he was lynched, thus vindicating you.

I'm sorry if I'm being sarcastic Sasaki, but I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall.

I feel your pain :wall:

Also, you didn't answer my previous post (I need a keyboard shortcut for this phrase).

Myrddraal

11-11-2006, 03:40

It doesn't actually. If you were actually both detectives he could have posted that to help you out. Detectives are allowed to lie too you know. It merely suits your needs to disassociate yourself from him now that he is percieved as guilty.
No, because if he was trying to save me, he would have got in touch first.

How is that more balanced than what I posted? If rtwGuru had claimed in your scenario, GH and/or you would have posted and said he was lying and you had proof, and the mafia would have dropped the kills after he was lynched, thus vindicating you.
Well I don't know, maybe the game is balanced in another way. Maybe there are other roles... :shrug:

But remember that in GF1, the game was also biased by a manipulator role. That person, chose the detective. Balance?

I'm sorry Sasaki, can you just link to or pm me the things I've missed. I will try my best to answer them. I'm tired and off to bed.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 04:01

No, because if he was trying to save me, he would have got in touch first.

If you say so.

Well I don't know, maybe the game is balanced in another way. Maybe there are other roles... :shrug:

But remember that in GF1, the game was also biased by a manipulator role. That person, chose the detective. Balance?

I was just an extra vote...and the choice of detective didn't have a huge impact I don't think. There was only one mafioso he could have uncovered. Far different from your proposed scenario.

I'm sorry Sasaki, can you just link to or pm me the things I've missed. I will try my best to answer them. I'm tired and off to bed.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1298620&postcount=909

No worries.

I think we'll make it to 1000 folks ~:cheers:

Seamus Fermanagh

11-11-2006, 04:03

Myrddraal:

All other arguments aside,

AFTER your partner "detective" was lynched, you investigated me, named me guilty, and listed a long list of my kills. Hanky did not do this, you did.

I was and am innocent.

So, either you:

were mafia and lying to bushwhack us (my vote)

OR

Silver's twist involves a role that can label innocents as guilty when the detective investigates them (NOT my vote).

I say you and Hanky were the chosen thugs -- but I was wrong about my first choice for GF.

Csar has the voting record that supports you two best, but

Masy has been under the radar all game

Divine Wind is in a sheltered position

Sigurd dragged down two innocents in succession

and Husar targeted Hanky at least once, always posted, and never missed a vote.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 04:47

Well, tonight will remove one of those, and DW we can safely leave. So the choice will be out of 3.

Myrddraal

11-11-2006, 13:10

You said I was guilty remember. You haven't been acting like a detective, and your story "doesn't add up".
How is a detective supposed to act? I've just acted like me, I acted the for the short period in the last and only other game I played.

He didn't lie to you.
So you're saying GH is telling the truth?

Possibility 1: I'm not certain I would have done that in your place
Possibility 2: I'm not certain I would have done that in his place
Possibility 3: No way

In mafia it is never the case that all the evidence points a certain way, and you can't be sure a mafioso would make a certain choice. If you can be sure they would make a choice then they would make the opposite to fool you except you would know they would do that but then again they would know you would know etc etec around and around.
Well it's true. We could also be a pair of masons having a laugh, but some things are more likely than others.

Husar

11-11-2006, 16:03

and Husar targeted Hanky at least once, always posted, and never missed a vote.
Which basically means that I should get a life...~;)

Seamus Fermanagh

11-11-2006, 17:11

Which basically means that I should get a life...~;)

...or your are seriously in danger of having a life appointed for you.:laugh4:

Silver Rusher

11-11-2006, 18:13

Day breaks in the Gameroom. All is quite.

Masy was a pious christian. In fact, he spent nearly all his time praying at St. Alexandr's Chapel, the church of the Gameroom, to save him from the threat of the mafia. So far, it had worked.

Another reason for staying in the church was the safety. If the mafia had any religious sense, they wouldn't kill him in the church. But killing isn't you couldn't do in that church. There were no toilets either, and Masy was desperate for one.

"No, I can't leave the church. I will do it here if I need to." said one side of Masy's conscience.

"But if you do your number one here, you will be befouling the sacred church!" said the other side.

Masy couldn't take it anymore. He decided to go just outside and do it behind a tree on the other side of the road. He walked out of the church, then ran as fast as possible across the road to the tree. He began unzipping his fly, before...

A van came along the road, bearing the words "Vincenzo's Guttering", and passed him just as Masy was letting it go. He was so relieved, he hadn't noticed.

The driver's window opened and out came a hand holding a tommy gun. It shot Masy several times before disappearing into the distance.

Chief of Police Divine Wind stepped up to the podium in the Gameroom town centre to deliver his message. There was a letter on it, waiting for him to read it. He cautiously stretched out his hand and picked it up, before opening and reading it, still with caution. It read:

"Dear townspeople,

Congratulations. You have successfully managed to kill off my two accoplices. But now, you shall pay dearly. At the time of the next execution, should you fail to choose me correctly, you will all die mercilessly. It has been too slow with you all dying one at a time; I look forward to the deaths of all 3 of you innocents together.

I'm sorry for making the message so short, but I do hope you will understand. And no, there were never 4 of us, that was just a delightful mirror illusion that had you running around like headless chickens.

Best regards,
The Godfather"

DW scrunched the letter in his hand.

"This is it," he said, "the final straw. It is crucially important that we get this execution right, or it is certainly too late. So important, in fact, that I myself will be voting. Cast your votes."

Status List

Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Masy

Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit
Myrddraal

PM:
Destroyer of Hope

Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Csar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind

Final voting round. 4 players remain.

Husar

11-11-2006, 18:27

Vote: Csar

Crazed Rabbit

11-11-2006, 18:58

The mafia has admitted its lost two of its own. You can look at that as GH and Myrd, or Sasaki and Seamus.

Now, the town killed off Me, GH, and Myrd, because we were all supposed to be mafia. But it would seem that we are not. Obviously, not one of us is the godfather.

Suppose then that GH and Myrd were innocent and really detectives, then the only person still suspicious according to them is Husar.

Even if they are not detectives, then the only choices for mafia, it seems, are Sasaki and Seamus. If that were the case, then Husar would be the only choice. He voted for Don C at Sasaki's lynching, but voted for Seamus when it became clear he was going down. Csar voted for Sasaki when he could ahve saved him voting for Don C. It seems odd for Sigurd to be a mafia after he posted his suspicions of Kommodus and Ignoramous, which they admitted to.

Remember what I said after Seamus' execution? That the mafia would try to delay us voting on their godfather with stupid witchhunts? People thought we could throw away lynchings for a couple rounds, and look were we are.

That's why I would recommend everyone vote for Husar.

Crazed Rabbit

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 19:13

Now, the town killed off Me, GH, and Myrd, because we were all supposed to be mafia. But it would seem that we are not. Obviously, not one of us is the godfather.

I still suspect you of having some pro mafia role. I haven't seen any other possible twists.

Suppose then that GH and Myrd were innocent and really detectives, then the only person still suspicious according to them is Husar.

Uh, no. According to GH no one is guilty, and according to Myrd it's either Sigurd or DW. Neither of them are claiming that there investigation results are valid.

The mafia has admitted its lost two of its own. You can look at that as GH and Myrd, or Sasaki and Seamus.

Even if they are not detectives, then the only choices for mafia, it seems, are Sasaki and Seamus.

:stare:

edit: I must say it's really fitting for this game to come down to the wire like this. I'm on pins and needles here.

GeneralHankerchief

11-11-2006, 19:33

So, it all comes down to this.

*video game final boss music begins playing*

Crazed Rabbit

11-11-2006, 19:55

Time for....Mortal Combat! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIViuOQBk3c)

Sasaki, like I said before, I'm completely innocent townie.

CR

GeneralHankerchief

11-11-2006, 19:59

Here is my analysis of the final four suspects. Hopefully I can live up to Seamus' reputation.

Csar: Has laid low for a lot of the game. Was the only person to believe that ridiculous PM I posted to take the heat off of my fellow Detective Myrddraal. Has had a fairly consistent voting record with myself and Myrd, meaning that he's probably the Godfather semi-distancing himself from his two mafia grunts.
GH sez: Guilty

Sigurd Fafnesbane: Somewhat suspicious the entire way through, posting a lot, changing two posting styles and getting two innocent people lynched. That ridiculous PM I wrote was meant to direct votes toward him, which probably means it was an elaborate plan designed to make him look innocent while making me look guilty.
GH sez: Guilty

Husar: First time player, seems to have gotten the hang of the game very quickly, almost as if he's had two experienced players guiding him all the way through. Recently he said that Csar was innocent and then promptly voted for him without a reason, probably after he realized that this would be the last round and he wanted to put the final nail in the town's coffin, no matter how suspicious he looked.
GH sez: Guilty

Divine Wind: The town's Chief of Police; hasn't really participated at all in the game. Caused GH to reveal that he was the Detective, even though it wasn't really a vote. Has been defended by GH several times in the game, which was probably a subtle way of a mafioso protecting his godfather, assuming of course that GH is a mafioso.
GH sez: Guilty

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 20:05

LOL, I like it.

Seamus Fermanagh

11-11-2006, 20:26

With Silver's sweet little note, the finale has arrived.

Strictly on the numbers, a mafia win is 75% likely at this point.

Our four survivors heading into the last tribal council are:

Csar, Divine Wind, Husar, & Sigurd Fafnesbane.

As noted above, a case can be made for any of them as a GF.

So, do you believe in the guilt of those rapscallions Sasaki and Seamus, or in the guilt of the nefarious Myrddraal and General Hankerchief. Either way, kudos to the mafia wiseguys, they took the fall but created a scenario where their team is the likely winner, despite the odds.

Myrddraal tried to lynch Sigurd last round. Csar joined him.

Sigurd returned the favor, and Masy (RIP) and Husar joined him.

At the most simplistic of interpretations, this would suggest that Csar is a supporter of the Myrddraal/Hanky duet making him their godfather if you believe in their guilt.

If you believe in the guilt of Sasaki and Seamus, you have a slightly tougher choice, since either Husar or Sigurd could be their godfather -- though Husar's vote to kill Seamus, coming early and pushing hard for it in the round of Seamus's lynching, mitigates somewhat against that (of course, this is Seamus writing, so you have to be skeptical). Sigurd is your most "obvious" candidate.

Husar has already lodged a vote for Csar. What will Csar and Sigurd do? Remember, gents, you 3 must decide to kill someone -- a round robin of one vote apiece spells a certain mafia win.

Silver's choice to end it this round implies, but does NOT confirm, that Divine Wind is the Chief of Police and nothing more, since one more round would be, techically, possible were he the GF. It's possible that this is just a gamesmaster's choice to promote playability.

All in all, Sasaki and I are clearly less credible in the eyes of a majority of this game-group. Good luck to you all, but I have a suspicion I'll be greeting 3 of you soon.

Masy

11-11-2006, 20:28

Balls. Well, I openly fingered GH/Myrd/Csar, and only Csar would be left to kill me. Unless, of course, Csar told someone else (who still remains) to kill me, or he killed me at someones behest. It's all so confusing... i still think its Csar though, but hey, its up to you lot now.

Silver Rusher

11-11-2006, 20:44

Silver's choice to end it this round implies, but does NOT confirm, that Divine Wind is the Chief of Police and nothing more, since one more round would be, techically, possible were he the GF. It's possible that this is just a gamesmaster's choice to promote playability.
If you are basing it on the idea that if DW is the Godfather he can be left a round as he cannot vote, I am allowing him to vote in this round. Basically, nobody is a technical exception to the possibility of being the Godfather. :evil:

Csargo

11-11-2006, 20:44

Vote: Husar

You make no sense at all too me man. Your crazy.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 21:05

You thought Sigurd was guilty though, didn't you Csar? Voting for someone you don't suspect makes no sense...for a townie.

Csargo

11-11-2006, 21:09

You thought Sigurd was guilty though, didn't you Csar? Voting for someone you don't suspect makes no sense...for a townie.

I had a choice between Sigurd, DW, and Husar. I chose Husar cause he voted me for no apparent reason so I retaliated by voting for him. Everyone is suspicious right now.

Myrddraal

11-11-2006, 21:10

Was the only person to believe that ridiculous PM I posted to take the heat off of my fellow Detective Myrddraal.
I don't know what to believe any more. GH has been talking to me in private, assuring me his fake PM was meant to save me...

Seamus Fermanagh

11-11-2006, 21:11

If you are basing it on the idea that if DW is the Godfather he can be left a round as he cannot vote, I am allowing him to vote in this round. Basically, nobody is a technical exception to the possibility of being the Godfather. :evil:

Under your rules, it was at least technically possible. I had thought you made the decision to end it this round largely for gameplay reasons -- no offense was intended, as I thought it a good decision to help close out a nicely run game.

Players, please note that this means 4 active votes.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 21:12

I had a choice between Sigurd, DW, and Husar. I chose Husar cause he voted me for no apparent reason so I retaliated by voting for him. Everyone is suspicious right now.

I voted Sigurd because I think he is the Godfather or DW which seems more likely to be it now that I think about it.

:juggle2:

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 21:13

I don't know what to believe any more. GH has been talking to me in private, assuring me his fake PM was meant to save me...

You'd have done better to go with that story all along :laugh4:

edit: I think it will be most advantageous to the town to examine Csar, Husar, Sigurd, and DW closely, rather than spend time on Sasaky/Myrd/GH/Seamus.

Seamus Fermanagh

11-11-2006, 21:15

I had a choice between Sigurd, DW, and Husar. I chose Husar cause he voted me for no apparent reason so I retaliated by voting for him. Everyone is suspicious right now.

Actually, his vote was pretty clearly motivated. Absent Masy the "lurker" your sparse posting and voting record that more strongly supported GH/Myrd than any remaining player, made you an easy suspect -- provided that you disbelieve the detective status of GH/Myrd.

The fact that everyone is still somewhat suspicious leads me to expect a bloodbath finish.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 21:19

Well, either:

1) DW was godfather and the game was over because he had no way to win

or

2) DW was innocent and Silver didn't want us to be able to eliminate him from a possible lynch candidate this round.

If you are basing it on the idea that if DW is the Godfather he can be left a round as he cannot vote, I am allowing him to vote in this round. Basically, nobody is a technical exception to the possibility of being the Godfather. :evil:

The phrasing of this sentance leads me to believe option 2 is correct..."nobody is a technical exception" sounds a lot like "I don't want you to be able to eliminate him as a possible candidate".

Sasaki Kojiro

11-11-2006, 21:25

Actually, his vote was pretty clearly motivated. Absent Masy the "lurker" your sparse posting and voting record that more strongly supported GH/Myrd than any remaining player, made you an easy suspect -- provided that you disbelieve the detective status of GH/Myrd.

The fact that everyone is still somewhat suspicious leads me to expect a bloodbath finish.

Also, Husar confided to me via pm last round that he found Csar suspicious but was going to say he found him innocent to improve his odds of surviving the night. Also, it means the kill provides more information:

Masy though Csar was guilty
Husar said he thought Csar was innocent

Masy got killed.

Now, Divine Wind would probably have killed Husar, wanting to eliminate someone who thought he was guilty and who thought Csar was innocent.

Sigurd would probably have gone for Husar as well since Masy could be counted on to vote for Csar.

Now, the mafia if they are smart have considered what it would look like if they chose to kill a certain person. If I were mafia though, I would pay more attention to who found who suspicious, reasoning that I could always argue my way out of this kind of accusation.

Husar

11-11-2006, 21:47

Divine Wind

11-11-2006, 22:53

Oki Dokie,

Firstly, I apologise for not being active at all in this game for a while. My PC went kaput about a week ago, so I was only able to check up on the game at work. I wanted to contribute but I was far to busy, plus my boss sits right behind me so it was a little risky reading through the forum with his lurking eyes behind me. :sweatdrop:

I have no idea who is guilty, as the pace of this game has been to quick for me to read through (new computer + MTW2 = no time). Anyway, as I can actually vote for this last round ill make my vote at the toss of a coin between Husar, and Csar.

Vote: Csar

To put your minds at ease, I am innocent, as you will all find out tommorow.

:yes:

Csargo

11-11-2006, 22:54

Sasaki just explained my reasoning, I actually thought that the way I said that I found Csar innocent was really bad and noone would believe it, but apparently it worked. Also keep in mind that Sigurd is away this weekend which basically means he won't be here to vote, neither to write a PM with his kills.
My idea was to make Csar and Masy look innocent to get either of them killed, I know I am a cruel townie because of that, but Sasaki explained the reasoning that follows out of Masy's death now.
Since there is apparently only DW left to vote now I hope he can understand this reasoning.
Obviously Csar was surprised that I voted for him and didn't even ask why I had this change in my behaviour. I am inclined to believe that he really believed that I found him to be innocent, thus he killed Masy and then he just said I had no reason to vote for him, wouldn't a more natural reason be to ask why I suddenly changed my opinion?

What do you think I am a dumb-ass? For my so called teaming up with Myrd and GH who would not think I am suspicious or guilty? That's about as bad as Ignoramus's PM to Sigurd.

You would have done the same crap if I would have voted Sigurd or DW. You know it and I know it I just hope everyone else realizes that too. You've done it the entire game to Myrd, GH, and everyone else you've accused through out the game.:dizzy2:

I'll be laughing in all your faces when you lose this game.

GeneralHankerchief

11-11-2006, 23:39

I'd just like to congratulate the Town on a great game. I'm fairly certain that we got the last mafioso.

Why? Because at last you remembered our investigations. Out of the three votes cast so far, none of them have been for the two people that Myrd and I confirmed as innocent (Sigurd and DW). This leaves Csar and Husar. Out of the two, Csar has acted the more suspicious, saying that us two Detectives were "full of crap," whilst Husar actually lobbied to keep the voting longer while I got lynched.

Sigurd, if you get on, vote Csar. Finish it off. Save the Gameroom. End the game.

Husar

11-11-2006, 23:57

What do you think I am a dumb-ass?
I didn't say that...

For my so called teaming up with Myrd and GH who would not think I am suspicious or guilty? That's about as bad as Ignoramus's PM to Sigurd.

You would have done the same crap if I would have voted Sigurd or DW. You know it and I know it I just hope everyone else realizes that too. You've done it the entire game to Myrd, GH, and everyone else you've accused through out the game.:dizzy2:

I'll be laughing in all your faces when you lose this game.
Why so angry and aggressive all of a sudden?

GeneralHankerchief

11-12-2006, 00:53

Because he's about to lose, and his mafioso buddies are silent. The game is at stake here, of course he'd be aggressive.

GeneralHankerchief

11-12-2006, 01:36

Csargo

11-12-2006, 01:43

I didn't say that...

Why so angry and aggressive all of a sudden?

What did I miss something where I can't defend myself properly? I'm not angry I'm pointing out the stupidity in your posts.:beam:

Husar

11-12-2006, 01:59

What did I miss something where I can't defend myself properly? I'm not angry I'm pointing out the stupidity in your posts.:beam:
Oh thanks, in that case maybe I should change my vote, but I'm afraid I am too stupid to do that...:sweatdrop:

Csargo

11-12-2006, 02:16

Oh thanks, in that case maybe I should change my vote, but I'm afraid I am too stupid to do that...:sweatdrop:

No offense ment I wasn't talking about you I was talking about your post but you pretty much implied that I was an idiot with your idiotic frame attempt on me which is obviously working for someone.:sweatdrop:

Death Match

11-12-2006, 09:15

tommorow you will find out who i was...

Sigurd

11-12-2006, 10:04

I guess it is up to me huh?

I need time to think this over... I will give my vote a little later today.

Husar

11-12-2006, 14:49

No offense ment I wasn't talking about you I was talking about your post but you pretty much implied that I was an idiot with your idiotic frame attempt on me which is obviously working for someone.:sweatdrop:
Normal people make mistakes, too, no need to feel like an idiot.~;)

That "idiotiv frame attempt" of mine was also meant to give me some additional security to my already existing suspicion. It's not my only reason for voting.

Sigurd

11-12-2006, 18:34

I got a little bird telling me the voting is about to close and I can't say I have a clue to whom the godfather might be.

Csar has two votes and Husar has one.

DW and I have none.

If I was the Godfather I could have ended it right here and now with a big MUAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHH..

GH is pressing for a vote on Csar... I know he has been lying on at least a couple of occations. I should not vote for Csar.

Myrddraal is wanting a vote for either DW or me.

If Myrddraal and GH both are mafia, they are diverting attention from Husar.
I can't change the fact that it will be either Csar or Husar going down this round.

If DW is the godfather the mafia wins.
I think I will buy us a little time by voting Husar. Will the narrator lynch them both? will there be a revote?

Vote: Husar

Silver Rusher

11-12-2006, 18:48

*****Voting Closed*****

Silver Rusher

11-12-2006, 19:09

Evening in the Gameroom.

This was supposed to be the end. Judgement day was supposed to have come already. But no, there had been a tie.

Husar and Csar had each got 2 votes, Husar's from Csar and Sigurd Fafnesbane and Csar's from Husar and Chief of Police Divine Wind.

The villagers collected at the graveyard by St. Alexandr's Chapel to be addressed by DW. "People, we have a tie. In such circumstances, there is only one way to handle this."

He looked up to the sky.

"Err... God?" he called in a feeble, quivering voice.

"Who disturbs my slumber?" Silver Rusher's face appeared in the sky. "Oh, yes, DW. Don't worry, I know what to do."

A bolt of lightning hit the graveyard, and zombies started to climb out of the graves. Csar began screaming.

"It's alright, don't worry." DW turned to the zombies once they had collected in front of him, "We need all of you to vote for Csar or Husar to be executed. I still haven't decided how to execute whoever is lynched. God help us."

"Nah, do it yourself." DW jumped, and SR chuckled to himself.

Status List

Zombies: (dead but can vote)
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Masy
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit
Myrddraal
Destroyer of Hope
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill

Still alive:
Csar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind

4 players remain. All dead players may now vote in this round as well as the living, but all votes must be cast for either Csar or Husar.

GeneralHankerchief

11-12-2006, 19:27

Vote: Csar

Masy

11-12-2006, 19:34

'd just like to congratulate the Town on a great game. I'm fairly certain that we got the last mafioso.

Why? Because at last you remembered our investigations. Out of the three votes cast so far, none of them have been for the two people that Myrd and I confirmed as innocent (Sigurd and DW). This leaves Csar and Husar. Out of the two, Csar has acted the more suspicious, saying that us two Detectives were "full of crap," whilst Husar actually lobbied to keep the voting longer while I got lynched.

Sigurd, if you get on, vote Csar. Finish it off. Save the Gameroom. End the game.

Thought you said the game was all fake? Now you want to play it like it isn't?

Hmm. Nevertheless, I am inclined to Vote: Csar.

Hope this doesn't come back to bite me in the behind.

GeneralHankerchief

11-12-2006, 19:35

Thought you said the game was all fake? Now you want to play it like it isn't?

Hmm. Nevertheless, I am inclined to Vote: Csar.

Hope this doesn't come back to bite me in the behind.

Of course the PM was fake. I just wanted to sway voting away from Myrddraal, the person who I was sure was innocent.

Dutch_guy

11-12-2006, 19:56

Vote:Csar

:balloon2:

Crazed Rabbit

11-12-2006, 20:06

Vote: Husar

Crazed Rabbit

Csargo

11-12-2006, 20:20

Vote: Husar

Divine Wind

11-12-2006, 21:03

Vote: Csar

GeneralHankerchief

11-12-2006, 21:12

Vote count:

Csar: 4
Husar: 2

Keep 'em coming, people. The mafia are going to try to even this out soon.

Masy

11-12-2006, 21:27

Of course the PM was fake. I just wanted to sway voting away from Myrddraal, the person who I was sure was innocent.

Or the person who was your mafia co-conspirator...

GeneralHankerchief

11-12-2006, 21:42

Believe what you want. But you'll see once the voting is over that I *was* innocent.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-12-2006, 22:14

Husar voted for both GH and Myrddraal who were lynched by narrow margins (one vote in each case I believe). End of story.

GH is pressing for a vote on Csar... I know he has been lying on at least a couple of occations. I should not vote for Csar.

Myrddraal is wanting a vote for either DW or me.

If Myrddraal and GH both are mafia, they are diverting attention from Husar.

I think you've fallen for GH's reverse psychology here. He knows we think he's guilty so he goes on about how his Godfather is guilty, making sure to jump in quickly with a vote on him. Your first sentence here is exactly what he was hoping for. Myrddraal hasn't posted suspicions in a while I don't know who he's pushing for anymore. But remember people:

GeneralHankerchief and Myrddraal were mafia

Husar put the final vote on both of them

Therefore he can't be Godfather.

Vote:Csar

Husar

11-12-2006, 22:29

Csargo

11-12-2006, 23:08

Vote: Csar :juggle2:

Thank you very much Digurd, as Sasaki already pointed out I got both GH and Myrd killed, if they were my henchmen, why would I do that?
I am now waiting for someone to come up with a weird reason why I would do that.

An ingenious cover maybe? Why not vote for them when it's almost certain they'll be lynched? Takes suspicion off you since you vote for the the two known "mafioso" while it gives you a perfect cover. While not it's an ingenious cover for you while it takes the heat off of you in later rounds.

Husar

11-12-2006, 23:20

An ingenious cover maybe? Why not vote for them when it's almost certain they'll be lynched? Takes suspicion off you since you vote for the the two known "mafioso" while it gives you a perfect cover. While not it's an ingenious cover for you while it takes the heat off of you in later rounds.
Yes, of course, and that GH started a bandwagon on me and almost had me lynched was most likely one of our really smart tricks or what?:sweatdrop:

Csargo

11-12-2006, 23:28

Yes, of course, and that GH started a bandwagon on me and almost had me lynched was most likely one of our really smart tricks or what?:sweatdrop:

I don't remember anything like that.

Kommodus

11-12-2006, 23:29

There's something I don't get right now. Sasaki and GH have been sparring all the way through this game; they've scarcely agreed upon anything all the way through. So how is it that they suddenly agree that Csar is the one to lynch?

The two possible mafia gang configurations we've been presented with so far have been Sasaki/Seamus/Other and GH/Myrddraal/Other. The "Other" slot has never been filled.

I just had this wierd scenario pop into my mind, in which Husar was the Godfather, Sasaki and Seamus were his grunts, Myrddraal was the real detective, and GeneralHankerchief was a "fake" detective - the twist in this game being that instead of a mafia mastermind, there was an undercover mafioso among the two "detectives."

In this scenario, Sasaki and GH have staged this entire conflict, manufacturing two opposing factions so that we all have two choices, both of which are wrong. We have all been puppets unwittingly responding to their commands!

Now this is just an idea right now. I'll log in later and go back through the thread to see if this theory explains what we've observed. I don't suggest anyone vote based on what I've said yet; I'm not voting yet myself. There's still time to weigh the evidence and decide, which is what I intend to do.

Seamus Fermanagh

11-12-2006, 23:39

Vote: Csar

Since I am now a zombie, am I required to dance the Time Warp while voting?

GeneralHankerchief

11-12-2006, 23:44

Sasaki Kojiro

11-12-2006, 23:46

Kommodus

11-12-2006, 23:57

Alright, alright, I said I wasn't ready to vote yet, I still have to go back over the thread... which unfortunately I don't have time for right now.

Maybe this game has made me a little more paranoid (not in RL, just in mafia games) due to being lynched as the result of a friendly, unrelated PM. What are ya gonna do?

And now, GH and Sasaki both shoot my hair-brained idea down within two minutes of each other? :inquisitive:

Now I'm even more paranoid.

Csargo

11-13-2006, 00:15

Yes, of course, and that GH started a bandwagon on me and almost had me lynched was most likely one of our really smart tricks or what?:sweatdrop:

It backfired. It's obvious from when you read it that it's was a horrible bandwagon attempt by GH all he did was vote for you with no reason I can't see why anyone would of followed that and obviously that's probably what GH thought too.

Ignoramus

11-13-2006, 00:56

Vote: Csar

I have been suspicious of him for a while. He is guilty.

Csargo

11-13-2006, 00:59

Well this is pointless isn't it might as well get myself killed since no one is even paying attention to anything I say.

Death Match

11-13-2006, 11:37

This is my formal apology for everybody in the game.

I am really sorry for ruining the game by accidently breaking the rules.

Please understand this is my first Forum Game, and I am bound to make mistakes.

theRTWGuru

Ignoramus

11-13-2006, 11:40

That's alright. I can't even remember what rule you broke.

Husar

11-13-2006, 11:43

I remember everything, but I think it was pretty obviously a mistake, everyone makes mistakes sometimes, it's all fine.~:)

Ignoramus

11-13-2006, 11:48

No one holds it against you; everyone makes mistakes, just sit back and enjoy the write-up of Csar's mafia defeat.

Sir Moody

11-13-2006, 14:49

well i think weve lost allready but for the sake of my zombie vote

Vote: husar

Don Corleone

11-13-2006, 15:15

Hey RTWGuru, God knows I've blown plenty of things this game. I almost got lynched for being too newbiesh at the beginning. :embarassed: Personally, I'm surprised I didn't get lynched anyway, just for being stupid. Your revelation didn't actually ruin anything, as it was a wrinkle, and we didn't know whether to believe you or others. Sit back and watch ole Godfather Csar swing from the gallows.

Vote from beyond: Csar

Sigurd

11-13-2006, 15:18

If you are the Godfather Husar, you have played a risky game and I shall reward you for it by a vote on Csar.

Vote:Csar

Kommodus

11-13-2006, 15:35

Well, Csar's behavior has been suspicious to be sure. Maybe you're all correct to lynch him. However, my heart tells me all is not as it seems.

The mafia's strategy has been excellent in this game. There is a real possibility that an elaborate hoax has been perpetrated on us, with mafia conspirators pretending to fight among themselves in order to create a false choice for the townsfolk - a situation in which we are forced to make one of two choices, both of which are wrong.

Note: Reminds me a bit of the American political system.

Regardless, though I don't expect to be followed, I'm going to:

Vote: Husar

Crazed Rabbit, I'm standing by for your tomato barrage. I see you were right - only it's too little, too late.

Proletariat

11-13-2006, 15:43

I really doubt it's either, I think we all got played by Sigurd again... But out of the two, Husar's had me convinced longer through the chat that he's clean.

Vote: Csar

Kommodus

11-13-2006, 15:48

I really doubt it's either, I think we all got played by Sigurd again... But out of the two, Husar's had me convinced longer through the chat that he's clean.

No offense Prole... you are fairly new to mafia games... but experience has shown that the chatroom is one of the mafia's best friends. Many previous mafiosos, including myself, have used it to convince townsfolk of our innocence.

The above fact should make you extra suspicious of Husar.

Proletariat

11-13-2006, 16:07

There's concrete reasons why Husar seems clean, not just chatroom gut feelings. Like how he acted after I tipped the vote to have GH killed, going for the extension and all. He also understands what will happen to any of his posts if he wanders back into the EH if he does turn out to be mafia.

Drisos

11-13-2006, 16:27

It may just be that neither is the Godfather.

My 'instinct' has been telling all along that something's 'Not right' about Husar. in some way he's guilty.. but the real 'facts' are a lot more laying suspicion on Csar.. I don't know what to do :dizzy2:

Vote: Husar If Csar is GF, we'll win anyway so I'm not blowing it.. it Husar is it, I can say to y'all 'I told ya' :laugh4: :smash:

GeneralHankerchief

11-13-2006, 18:52

Unvote: Csar
Vote: Husar

:rifle:

Silver Rusher

11-13-2006, 19:27

*****Voting Closed*****

Husar

11-13-2006, 19:41

Unvote: Csar
Vote: Husar

:rifle:
Now, any reason for that besides that you were killed in a similar way?
I don't know who will be lynched now though, just curious.

Silver Rusher

11-13-2006, 20:00

Evening in the Gameroom.

This was it. The final deciding moment. Would the remaining townspeople by sent, with the zombies, to their deaths, or would they find the killers and restore peace? All was about to become certain. Csar was the one who the people had chosen to kill.

Chief of Police Divine Wind stepped up to the podium and addressed the crowd of zombies and humans.

"People, we have done it. We have saved our small village. Though so few of us are left, I am confident that..."

BANG.

A patch of blood appeared on DW's shirt. Screams filled the air. Zombies and humans alike expressed their terror. Csar stood by idly, looking about as confused as everyone else. DW fell to the ground, motionless.

"What's going on?"

"But I thought Csar was guilty!"

"This is it... WE'RE DOOMED!"

The cries, screams and shouts were broken by a second shot. This time, Sigurd Fafnesbane fell to the ground, head bleeding. Soon, Csar, who had been thought to be the Godfather, fell to the ground, this time with blood coming out of his head and groin.

The screams intensified. The zombies tried to run back to the graveyard, but it was too late...

...the unmistakeable sound of machine gun fire was heard from within their own ranks.

Mafia Grunts Seamus Fermanagh and Sasaki Kojiro smiled as they unleashed tommy-gun hell upon the undead crowd. Killing undead people is naturally pretty hard, but they eventually managed to eradicate the crowd.

Godfather Husar lit a cigarette, and his grunts joined him.

"Good work, boys." he said in a distinctly mafiosish voice. "It's too bad those filthy detectives, GeneralHankerchief and Myrddraal, had to reveal the truth about you two. I was a fool not to kill Myrddraal earlier, but at least he never came to know the truth about me. Vincenzo will be happy to learn of our achievements."

:skull: :skull: :skull:RESULT: CLOSE MAFIA VICTORY:evil: :evil: :evil:

Final Status List

Dead:
Sasaki Kojiro - Mafia Grunt :smoking:
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar
GeneralHankerchief - Detective :policeman:
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fermanagh - Mafia Grunt :smoking:
Byzantine Mercenary
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Xiahou
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Cowhead418
Kommodus
Dutch_guy
UltraWar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Major Robert Dump
Destroyer of Hope
theRTWGuru
Lemur
Divine Wind
Myrddraal - Detective :policeman:

Alive:
Husar - Mafia Godfather ~:pimp:

Write-up shall be posted sometime in the near future.