Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded]

[Xehh II]

And why is this Mr. Two?
If my brain is working and wants to remember, I'm pretty sure that you were the first to go on about me being "fake".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Read up through Siggy's, but I have calls to make.

Back on later to finish etc.

Edit:

Okay, I have scanned the whole thread. I will go back through and begin the vote-log.

So far, I'll join GH & Sasaki. GH sums it up nicely.

This thread seems active and juicy for round one -- pity Kommo can't analyze it for us.

[Lord Winter]

bandwagons are good.
So is debate :yes: Bandwagons sadly tend to limit that. and of course you have to remember the possiablity of the mafia hiding behind them.


Vote:Warluster

Everyone https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif
Why? Did I miss the reason? Is it me or have you been acting differently this game? For now it's just a gut suspision, for lack of anything else.

Vote: Saskii

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How Ironic :bounce:

Well destro why did you join my bandwagon?

The reason wagons are good is that we can ask the people on them questions. There's little to debate if people just spread out their votes.

[Lord Winter]

How Ironic :bounce:

Well destro why did you join my bandwagon?

The reason wagons are good is that we can ask the people on them questions. There's little to debate if people just spread out their votes.

Yes, concentrating votes once we have the nesscary debate is necceary but blindly urging people to follow you is bad for the town.
I also find it ironic, you say bandwagons are good but go after others for that very same reason.

You still havn't answered the question, what is you reason for voting Warluster?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To start a bandwagon so we have something to talk about. He's no loss.

Bandwagons are good because I can go after somebody for them.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Warluster

Concur with GH's summary.

[Lord Winter]

Still dodging the original question, surly theirs someone more supious then a lurker?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Still dodging the original question, surly theirs someone more supious then a lurker?

Like who?

I don't see anyone.

[scotchedpommes]

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Ah, a signal of intent. Not even a meatball from Sasaki, and I am left
disappointed as a result.

[Csargo]

No I'm not. I've said it before, you're never going to lynch a mafioso with 2 votes. I'd like bunches of bandwagons please. Gives us something to analyze.

This is by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen. How does Vote:someone give you something to analyze? You know cause I'm confused :huh:

[scotchedpommes]

Heartwarming, Csar. I shall keep you in mind and aim to impress every time.

[Csargo]

Sasaki starts a ton of bandwagons. Most people just don't follow him unless he posts some convincing evidence to go along with it.

Warluster, however, is IMHO a good lynch. So far, it looks like his three outcomes are:

1) As Hugh mentioned, WoG bait. Therefore, no big loss if lynched (although I would like to see his humiliation).
2) Unhelpful townie. No big loss.
3) Mafia. No big loss.
4)Detective. But that's no big loss :shrug:
5)Doctor. But that's no big loss :shrug:
6)Some other pro-town role. But that's no big loss. :shrug:


:thumbsdown:

[Csargo]

Heartwarming, Csar. I shall keep you in mind and aim to impress every time.

Should have been more clear I was talking about the bandwagoning. Sorry about that.:laugh4: :sweatdrop:

[discovery1]

How Ironic :bounce:

Well destro why did you join my bandwagon?

The reason wagons are good is that we can ask the people on them questions. There's little to debate if people just spread out their votes.

Because of that awesome bandwagon smilie, no more, no less.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen. How does Vote:someone give you something to analyze? You know cause I'm confused :huh:

Well we've spent the last page talking about it ~D

[GeneralHankerchief]

:thumbsdown:

Christ, if he's Detective I'd have hoped he wasn't that obvious. It brings back memories of RTWguru in Godfather 2. You remember that, I know.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Ah, a signal of intent. Not even a meatball from Sasaki, and I am left
disappointed as a result.

What is this meatball and signal of intent and why are you disappointed I'm so confused.

[scotchedpommes]

What is this meatball and signal of intent and why are you disappointed I'm so confused.

You've forgotten the meatball? Devastation once more.

~:(

[Csargo]

Christ, if he's Detective I'd have hoped he wasn't that obvious. It brings back memories of RTWguru in Godfather 2. You remember that, I know.

Oh course, but it's still a possiblity, and you know it.


Well we've spent the last page talking about it

That gives no good reasoning why it's a good idea too bandwagon someone.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*checks glossary*

It's day one and I had a reason.

I'm not terribly surprised to be under lynch threat today given last game...I can confirm my innocence by tomorrow though, so I'd appreciate some unvotes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That gives no good reasoning why it's a good idea too bandwagon someone.

Are you trying to shut down discussion?

There are no good reasons for votes day one. Are suggesting we don't vote day one? But then how will we vote day 2?

[Csargo]

Are you trying to shut down discussion?

There are no good reasons for votes day one. Are suggesting we don't vote day one? But then how will we vote day 2?

You've started some good discussion.:dizzy2:


Fine. I'll hop aboard the Merry Ship Warluster with you.

As I hinted earlier, the man has a less than healthy acquaintance with the fence, & he needs to get off it.

Vote: Warluster

Tell us then, what do you think, who are your suspects, & what's your favourite mollusc?


WTF?

Lynching mafia is a gain. or "no big loss".

GH is dead. He is proven innocent, it is not scummy, but that is.

But you have acted like this in every game you have played. Expect to be lynched some time. I doubt you will be killed because you will draw votes.

Vote: Warluster

I am going to see a trashy band play on a ute...close to a wagon.
pever


I LOVE THAT SMILIE!

Unvote Ichigo

Vote Warluster



Vote: Sasaki...er...whatever his last name is.


Vote: Warluster

Concur with GH's summary.

You've created a lot of bandwagoning, but no useful discussion.

This is supposed to help I suppose?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

um yes. Those people were all willing to bandwagon. From their posts we may sometime later be able to judge why. Also many people have talked about other things including you and me right now. We're already well over half the size of the last game.

You're usually more pro-discussion than this.

[Csargo]

um yes. Those people were all willing to bandwagon. From their posts we may sometime later be able to judge why. Also many people have talked about other things including you and me right now. We're already well over half the size of the last game.

You're usually more pro-discussion than this.

I just don't think it will be helpful to bandwagon Warluster. And then they'll just be "Well Sasaki thought it was a good idea he had to be right" that's the answer you're going to be getting.

I'm pro-discussion always, but I'm not pro-bandwagoning.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

bandwagons create discussion. I don't think there's any point in saying this again; numbers don't lie.

*276*

[Csargo]

bandwagons create discussion. I don't think there's any point in saying this again; numbers don't lie.

*276*

First post after kills here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1489674&postcount=174)

Your Warluster bandwagon (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1490898&postcount=230). A whole 46 posts. WOOOOO good job :inquisitive:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, but that's 46 posts that's only a smaller part of the night phase.

Hell, I don't think your game got 46 posts in a day. That's starting to look scummy.

[discovery1]

Hey, since I will probably miss it when I am in the hot seat, I bandwagoned just because I like the bandwagon smilie.

[Csargo]

Yeah, but that's 46 posts that's only a smaller part of the night phase.

Hell, I don't think your game got 46 posts in a day. That's starting to look scummy.

Alright whatever.

[Lord Winter]

*checks glossary*

It's day one and I had a reason.

I'm not terribly surprised to be under lynch threat today given last game...I can confirm my innocence by tomorrow though, so I'd appreciate some unvotes.
May I ask how?

[Kommodus]

The first voting period will end at about 9 am EST. (Note that I'm not really sticking to a hard-and-fast 24-hour rule in this game; my schedule won't really permit it.)

[Csargo]

May I ask how?

He's obviously crazy:dizzy2:

[scotchedpommes]

*checks glossary*

It's day one and I had a reason.

I'm not terribly surprised to be under lynch threat today given last game...I can confirm my innocence by tomorrow though, so I'd appreciate some unvotes.

Was unaware of a glossary entry, but that is certainly nice.
Your reason was no better, in my view, than a meatball sighting. That being the
case, I felt the least you could have done was give us a meatball. [Smilie worth
an honourable mention.] You didn't, and so disappointment followed.

[CountArach]

Why should he post? What's he done? The kills have just been posted & instead of giving us your thoughts on the nature of the kills, game mechanics & anything else that comes to mind, you rock up, mis-read the the thread & chuck a lazy vote out at a relative newcomer. If you want to make people speak, ask them a question, don't threaten them with a lynch as a first resort (however empty it might be). My question to you then, CountA, is what has Roadkill done to warrant your close attention?

Why are you so eagre to defend him?

Check back over all the recent games. I start with a random vote at all times. It generates discussion, which helps the town.

Unvote: Roadkill
Vote: Hughtower

Now I'll read the rest of the thread.

[Andres]

Unvote : HughTower

I'm not joining the bandwagon. Lynching a townie, even a bad townie, will do us no good. Besides, there is already enough pressure on Warluster for now.

Disadvantages for bandwagon: 1) mafia can hide on it by a) putting their vote, hiding in the crowd b) not voting at all since it's not necessary, a townie will get lynched which is fine for them, no need to draw attention to them by joining the "discussion" ; 2) it puts pressure on only one player, other players aren't under threat and won't bother to talk.

I prefer votes a bit spread with a real threat for several players to get lynched because that will generate more discussion...

That said, I will :

Vote : Discovery1

You and Ichigo both knew about BlackAxe's role and now he is dead.

[Warluster]

Right, I see heaps of people voting for me, but I see no reasons, give me reasons!

And the person who started the bandwagon:

Vote:Sasaki

[CountArach]

You and Ichigo both knew about BlackAxe's role and now he is dead.

This doesn't convince me. Why would they kill him and then claim to know his role... unless of course...

DAMN YOU WIFOM!

[Andres]

Vote:Sasaki

Sasaki, who conveniently happens to be the one with the most votes, next to you...

Usually, the mafia doesn't start a bandwagon. If the mafia even bothered to vote, the third, fourth, ... voter is probably mafia, but chances are big the mafia didn't even bother to post/vote now, since a townie will get lynched anyway (assuming you are a townie...).

Why don't you read through the thread and answer Sasaki's and GH's argumentations in a decent way?

And do you have any other reason to vote Sasaki than a) retaliation b) saving your own skin?

[Warluster]

Just read through the two pages I read, and its complete crap. Explains nothing, says nothing and theres no real argument just nonsense.

[Killfr3nzy]

In avoidence of getting Lurker-Lynched, I'm now posting.
However, since this is my first game, I know almost none of you, and all the arguements seem to be based around bandwagoning the person that's trying to bandwagon you, I:
Vote: No Lynch
I'll change that if I see a half-way decent arguement or if I get bored.

[Warmaster Horus]

Vote:No lynch
Reason: the first lynch is (more often than not) useless. There are many roles in this game, and the Pro-town roles section has not been updated (yet) by Kommodus. If there are more than ~10 townie roles, we have a chance of 1 in 3 of lynching a pro-towner. Whereas, I believe the chance of lynching a Cosa Nuova operative is something like 1 in 15.
We would do better to wait, and I'll remind people that bandwagoning is BAD for your health.
Although no lynch bandwagon is not that evil, I should say.

[pevergreen]

A lynch gives us something to go on. If they were mafia, who they voted for, why and who they were protecting gives us a good insight. Same goes for a townie lynch. Its not the most desirable, but its inevitable.

[Stig]

So we're going with what I said: lynching Sasaki since it's more safe to us?


Seriously GH's reason to vote Warluster was good and why does Sasaki have to be punished because others are bandwagoning. It's not like Sasaki was totally serious when he posted the bandwagon smiley. Others are bandwagoning. They just join the bandwagon, Sasaki just made a first post, that's hardly a bad thing is it?


Just read through the two pages I read, and its complete crap. Explains nothing, says nothing and theres no real argument just nonsense
Well you could contribute yourself ofcourse, you are being less helpfull then Sasaki on normal days, might change my vote to you. If I do that, people will say I bandwagon (just as all the 5 others who did), but they will vote for me. Those people who then change, they are the ones we're after. But I won't change my vote as I'm convinced Caius is suspicious (but then he always is)

[Andres]

Just read through the two pages I read, and its complete crap. Explains nothing, says nothing and theres no real argument just nonsense.

You have to come with something better than that.

If you are a townie, you should do a serious effort to avoid getting lynched, in the intrest of your team (the town).

Don't think your vote on Sasaki will save your skin. Just like Stig, I'm willing to vote you. A vote is quickly changed. So, if you don't come up with a better defense and good arguments, I might switch my vote to you to make sure you're the one to hang and not Sasaki. If necessary, Stig might change his vote as well.

@Sasaki: why will you be proven innocent by tomorrow?

[HughTower]

Right, I see heaps of people voting for me, but I see no reasons, give me reasons!

And the person who started the bandwagon:

Vote:Sasaki

In plain & simple language then, Warluster, you are being voted for because you add nothing to the discussion - no opinions, no musings, no whimsy, apart from the fact you are indecisive.

We are not here just for our votes, but for our fine forensic minds.:idea2:

SK has called for a bandwagon on you to try & squeeze some discussion out of you. He, as well myself, Seamus & pevergreen, will remove our votes if you make some attempt to participate in the hunt for the mafia. Andres has promised to join it if you don't.

These terms are very clear.

[Warmaster Horus]

In Sasaki's defence (although he probably doesn't need one from me), his behavior of voting for various people, without necesarily giving a reason IS indeed to begin discussion. Remember Stealth Danger Mini-Mafia, recently finished. He just went down the list of people having joined to fuel discussion.
And, pevergreen, we already have a rather good amount of people having voted. I think we already have something to go on.

[Stig]

Well vote tally:
Sasaki 5
Disco 2
Hugh 1
Warluster 5
Caius 1
Myrddraal 1


No need to vote Warluster yet

[Andres]

@Kommodus: what happens in case of a tie? Re-vote, no lynching or both players get lynched?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote Tallies as of 1010 EST 4/4/7:

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (Caius, Destro, Redce, WarL, Xehh)

Warluster = 5 (Disco, Hugh, Pev', Sasaki, Seamus)

No Lynch = 3 (Ichi*, Fr3nzy, W Horus)

Discovery1 = 2 (Andres, Sigurd)

Xehh II = 2 (Omanes, Road')

Caius Flaminius = 1 (Stig)

HughTower = 1 (Arach)

Myrddraal = 1 ('khaan)

Not Voting = 10 (Rabbit, Dutch, Iggy, Kage, Motep, Myrddraal, Sapi, Tran, blade, Xdeath)

* Ichigo withdrew his vote from Sasaki, but did not actively vote no lynch


Points to consider:

-- Say what you will about Sasaki and his bandwagons, we've got 20 of 30 voting actively in the first round! 67% suggests FAR fewer wogs than average ahead.

-- Persistent vote shifters include = Andres, who voted for 4 different people this round (and a 5th before it closes?)

-- However, participation isn't keeping up with voting. 13 players have fewer than 4 posts. Our murder victims Axe = 4, Hanky = 15; have more participation going!

[Stig]

-- Persistent vote shifters include = Andres, who voted for 4 different people this round (and a 5th before it closes?)
Andres always does that, it's how he plays the game

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Andres always does that, it's how he plays the game

Probably so.

It is possible to use this approach as a "white noise" kind of buffer though.

When Sasaki starts pointing fingers, he often draws return votes; Andres does not seem to when he does his pressure voting.

Still early days in the analysis stuff.

[Warmaster Horus]

Also, GeneralHankerchief has a correct reason to post a lot. He's a Mafia Veteran, who will then wish to help the town.
On the other hand, some people won't want to post as much, since a Mafioso will post just enough, although some will go highly active, and others will lurk.
Townies will want to say what they can to help, except saying "yeah, I agree with you, ergo Vote:person" is suspicious. It's bandwagoning. When are we others supposed to know when it's truthful, though? That looks like suspicious activity from that guy who posted about once or twice, so you lynch him. Except, he's only the nice townie who's got nothing else to say.
Half of those lurkers are probably busy with Real Life, the bane of the Orgahs.

[Andres]

When Sasaki starts pointing fingers, he often draws return votes; Andres does not seem to when he does his pressure voting.


That's because I put pressure in a gentle and friendly way :bow:

Sasaki can be a bit harsh which sometimes draws votes to him.

I indeed tend to shift votes often, trying to put pressure on several people in the same turn to get more players talking.

Questions combined with a vote are a tad bit more difficult to ignore than just questions, me thinks.

OOC: What's a "white noise kind of buffer" ?

[HughTower]

OOC: What's a "white noise kind of buffer" ?

'White noise' is similar to static from an untuned TV & radio.

Seamus means that by saying a lot in such 'helpful' fashion, you could be using your 'noise' to act as a 'buffer', thereby skilfully hiding dastardly intentions.

But, you wouldn't do that, would you, Andres?:thinking:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

White Noise Buffer = so many postings/accusations/etc. that it becomes difficult to keep track of suspicions/defenses while at the same creating the image of a poster who is apparently active and helpful of discussion. This can be used as a "shield" to divert attention.

[Kommodus]

Currently the vote is tied - 5 for Warluster and 5 for Sasaki Kojiro. Rather than have a re-vote, I'm going to keep the voting open until the tie is broken. If it's still tied at the end of the day, we'll do a re-vote between the leading candidates.

[BlackAxe3001]

I'm still wondering why someone would want to take me out right away. I'm new at mafia so I'm not as much of a threat for lynching the mafia, as I have no skills. I suspect someone who knows me a bit better than the average mafioso... maybe someone from the chat... :inquisitive:

[Stig]

Currently the vote is tied - 5 for Warluster and 5 for Sasaki Kojiro. Rather than have a re-vote, I'm going to keep the voting open until the tie is broken. If it's still tied at the end of the day, we'll do a re-vote between the leading candidates.
Well I'll break the tie then. Since I believe Warluster is the better lynch then Sasaki, tho mostlikely both will be townie.


Unvote: Caius
Vote: Warluster, for reasons mentioned before by others and me

[Kommodus]

Voting closed.

Warluster has been lynched. I'll write this up in story form this evening. However, the night phase has now begun, so go ahead and send your PMs please.

[Sigurd]

Well I'll break the tie then. Since I believe Warluster is the better lynch then Sasaki, tho mostlikely both will be townie.

Ah... but Stig; WHY break the tie?
The pressure was on the Mafia to break this tie as they want to get the game moving forward. The more time we spend discussing and contemplating the closer we get to unearth Mafiosi.

You put yourself right up on the top of the suspect list.

[Csargo]

Well I'll break the tie then. Since I believe Warluster is the better lynch then Sasaki, tho mostlikely both will be townie.


Unvote: Caius
Vote: Warluster, for reasons mentioned before by others and me

I have to think that you didn't think when you made that vote. :wall: :wall: GAH! Stig GAH!

[Csargo]

Unvote : HughTower

I'm not joining the bandwagon. Lynching a townie, even a bad townie, will do us no good. Besides, there is already enough pressure on Warluster for now.

Disadvantages for bandwagon: 1) mafia can hide on it by a) putting their vote, hiding in the crowd b) not voting at all since it's not necessary, a townie will get lynched which is fine for them, no need to draw attention to them by joining the "discussion" ; 2) it puts pressure on only one player, other players aren't under threat and won't bother to talk.

I prefer votes a bit spread with a real threat for several players to get lynched because that will generate more discussion...

That said, I will :

Vote : Discovery1

You and Ichigo both knew about BlackAxe's role and now he is dead.

After he was killed Andres...


Why don't you read through the thread and answer Sasaki's and GH's argumentations in a decent way?

Answer what Andres? Bandwagoning is essentially voting someone with little to no reasoning.

[Stig]

Ah... but Stig; WHY break the tie?
The pressure was on the Mafia to break this tie as they want to get the game moving forward. The more time we spend discussing and contemplating the closer we get to unearth Mafiosi.

You put yourself right up on the top of the suspect list.
Even so, imo it was better to lynch Warluster then Sasaki. So in order to allow Sasaki to live someone had to vote Warluster, would someone vote Sasaki first, he would be lynched.

If this puts me on your suspect list well fine to me

[Csargo]

Even so, imo it was better to lynch Warluster then Sasaki. So in order to allow Sasaki to live someone had to vote Warluster, would someone vote Sasaki first, he would be lynched.

If this puts me on your suspect list well fine to me

Hmmmm why the sudden change in attitude towards Sasaki?

[Stig]

Hmmmm why the sudden change in attitude towards Sasaki?
There is no.
He's still unhelpfull imo
But Warluster was even less helpfull

[Csargo]

There is no.
He's still unhelpfull imo
But Warluster was even less helpfull

I don't agree.

[Stig]

I don't agree.
That's your problem

[Csargo]

That's your problem

Actually that's why your always lynched.:no:

[Andres]

After he was killed Andres...

Ah. Why didn't you say so before my friend? I almost took a plane to the USA to lynch you and Disco personally :laugh4:

Off course, I'd like to see a confirmation from BlackAxe, but you and Disco are no longer on my suspect list for now.


Answer what Andres? Bandwagoning is essentially voting someone with little to no reasoning.

I thought that was "meatballing".

@Stig: at Mafia VI I hated extended lynch rounds. I was mafia than. So it's normal people think you are suspicious for breaking the tie. Kommo said that if the tie would have lasted for a whole day, we would have had a re-vote. Another possibility would have been that the tie would not have been broken, but instead another player would have come under heat. So by breaking the tie so fast, you prevented more discussion... But we will see what happens during the night. No need to give the mafia any more clues right now.

[Csargo]

Ah. Why didn't you say so before my friend? I almost took a plane to the USA to lynch you and Disco personally :laugh4:

Off course, I'd like to see a confirmation from BlackAxe, but you and Disco are no longer on my suspect list for now.



I thought that was "meatballing".

@Stig: at Mafia VI I hated extended lynch rounds. I was mafia than. So it's normal people think you are suspicious for breaking the tie. Kommo said that if the tie would have lasted for a whole day, we would have had a re-vote. Another possibility would have been that the tie would not have been broken, but instead another player would have come under heat. So by breaking the tie so fast, you prevented more discussion... But we will see what happens during the night. No need to give the mafia any more clues right now.

Uh I forgot?:beam:

Well it's really a mix of both imo.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

When I'm mafia I don't mind ties. I'd be more inclined to push for a tie to make myself appear pro town.

Ichigo is acting strange.

[Csargo]

When I'm mafia I don't mind ties. I'd be more inclined to push for a tie to make myself appear pro town.

Ichigo is acting strange.

How? Cause I don't agree with bandwagoning someone?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You keep harping on the same point over and over.

[Csargo]

You keep harping on the same point over and over.

nananananana

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@Stig: at Mafia VI I hated extended lynch rounds. I was mafia than. So it's normal people think you are suspicious for breaking the tie. Kommo said that if the tie would have lasted for a whole day, we would have had a re-vote. Another possibility would have been that the tie would not have been broken, but instead another player would have come under heat. So by breaking the tie so fast, you prevented more discussion... But we will see what happens during the night. No need to give the mafia any more clues right now.

Stig did the same in mafia vi as town.

[Csargo]

You keep harping on the same point over and over.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, I like to harp. :sad:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Say that a few more times and I'll believe you :p

[BlackAxe3001]

Off course, I'd like to see a confirmation from BlackAxe, but you and Disco are no longer on my suspect list for now.

Ichigo = Guilty

It was after I was killed.

[Csargo]

Ichigo = Guilty

It was after I was killed.

Vote:BlackAxe3001

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

Oh, damn he's already dead.:furious3:

Edit:That's messed up how they leave pacman behind.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ichigo = Guilty

It was after I was killed.

This doesn't follow, if it was after you were killed then ichi couldn't have killed you for it.

You oughtn't to have revealed it at all you know.

[BlackAxe3001]

I was referring to Andres dismissing Ichigo's guilt. Just becaue I said it after I was killed doesn't make him any less guilty.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I was referring to Andres dismissing Ichigo's guilt. Just becaue I said it after I was killed doesn't make him any less guilty.

Please explain. Ichigo is not coming across "differently" so far, so I'm not sure I follow why this evidences his guilt?

[BlackAxe3001]

I never said this was evidence towards his guilt, just that he is guilty in general... geeze. Don't read into it so much.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why do you think he's guilty in general?

[Csargo]

Why do you think he's guilty in general?

It's cause I was born white. :bigcry:

[Kommodus]

Day 1


“So there is a responsibility. I cry, you cry. You cry, I cry. We all come running, and the one that stays quiet, the one that stays home, must explain. Is he in league with the criminals? Is he a coward? And what would he expect when he cries?”
-Unnamed Rwandan

Roughly translated into English, the word meant “justice on the grass.” To the Western mind, the tradition-inspired legal system known as Gacaca could hardly be said to meet civilized standards of impartiality and fairness, but in this war-torn land starved for security and tranquility, it was the only available option.

Mayor Rwigema stood in the center of a large circle of people who had gathered in a large grassy field just south of the outskirts of town. “People of Gisenyi,” he announced, “We have come here to achieve truth, justice, and reconciliation. As you all know, members of the Interahamwe have come here to open old wounds and continue their violent ways.”

“It is likely that there are some here who know more than they have said. Whether they have held back from fear or hesitation, it matters little – in this gathering everyone may speak freely, and no one will be harmed except those found guilty. You are all called to participate, and anyone who disagrees with these proceedings may say as much, so that all may leave with a clear conscience.”

His announcement complete, Rwigema stepped out of the center of the circle and melted into the rest of the assembly. Deliberations began at once. For an assembly making a life-or-death decision, they were surprisingly level-headed; perhaps they were used to such proceedings by now.

The late afternoon wore on into the evening. Torches were brought out and arranged in a circle to light the gathering. Arguments sporadically became heated, as one person after another was questioned about their whereabouts and activities the night before. Some villagers who were considered untrustworthy, most notably Sasaki Kojiro, seemed dangerously close to being singled out.

In the end, however, it was one of the relatively silent individuals who received the most attention. This man had few friends and seemed to spend most of his time alone. He already had a reputation for participating little in the community, and now it was coming back to haunt him.

“If anyone had opportunity to collaborate with the Interahamwe, it would be you!” shouted a young man. “Every time we’ve been under threat, you’ve never joined in the defense of your community! You always leave it to the rest of us!”

“It’s true!” yelled someone else angrily. “How long has it been since the enemy bought you? What did they promise you to make you betray your countrymen?”

The man known as Warluster tried to protest his innocence, but it was no use – the coalition against him only became stronger. Few were quite certain whether or not he had been personally responsible for the day’s murders, but many thought he was in league with the criminals. At last the mayor called an end to the debate.

“The court of Gacaca has spoken,” he said after quieting the crowd. “Warluster, you are found guilty of collaboration with the Interahamwe. As such you are responsible for the deaths of GeneralHankerchief and BlackAxe3001. Do you have any final words?”

Warluster looked utterly disgusted, having been seized by two strong men and forced into the center of the circle. He spat and leered angrily at the crowd.

“You want to know why I don’t care to participate in your inane babble?” he snarled. “You imbeciles wouldn’t recognize truth or justice if it landed on your heads! And as for reconciliation…” – here he gave a bitter snort – “just look at yourselves! Look at this gathering, this travesty of a court! You want to find Interahamwe collaborators? Well, look no further than yourselves and your dear mayor! Our enemies need no better collaborators!”

There were angry shouts in response to this. The people had heard enough. Warluster was forced roughly to his knees and several machetes were drawn. One was handed to Rwigema.

“Warluster, the time of your death has come!” he shouted, and with one great blow he removed Warluster’s head from his body.

A few of the people remained behind with the mayor to dig a proper grave and bury the body. Most, however, joined the long procession back into the town. Even for a people accustomed to violence, the night would be long and fitful.

Vote Count:

Warluster: 6 (discovery1, HughTower, pevergreen, Sasaki Kojiro, Seamus Fermanagh, Stig)

Sasaki Kojiro: 5 (Caius Flaminius, Destroyer of Hope, rdece.jabolko, Warluster, Xehh II)

discovery1: 2 (AndresTheCunning, Sigurd Fafnesbane)

Xehh II: 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, RoadKill)

HughTower: 1 (CountArach)

Myrddraal: 1 (greaterkhaan)

No Lynch: 2 (Killfr3nzy, Warmaster Horus)

Not Voting: 11 (Crazed Rabbit, Dutch_guy, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Motep, Myrddraal, sapi, Tran, TwilightBlade, Xdeathfire)

Status List:

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief

Lynched:

Warluster

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Destroyer of Hope
discovery1
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Ichigo
Ignoramus
Kagemusha
Killfr3nzy
Motep
Myrddraal
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
rdece.jabolko
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
Tran
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Xehh II

[Csargo]

Kommodus how many No Votes til WoG?

[TevashSzat]

Sorry I didn't vote last round, but I had computer issues and I just managed to get hold of a computer with internet. I'll try to be active, but most likely I won't be very, but the issues should be resolved in less than 5 days

[Csargo]

Sorry I didn't vote last round, but I had computer issues and I just managed to get hold of a computer with internet. I'll try to be active, but most likely I won't be very, but the issues should be resolved in less than 5 days

Any thoughts so far?:inquisitive:

[Kommodus]

Kommodus how many No Votes til WoG?


To prevent players from “lurking” and not participating in the discussion, anyone who does not vote for three rounds in a row, or a total of five rounds throughout the game, will be eliminated.

~D

Also,


In earlier games a player that survives an attack is innocent and hence a resource to the town. In this game however a survivor is more likely a Mafioso. It would be in the town's interest to lynch all survivors.

There will be no description of an attack when a player is converted, so you'll have no idea. :evil:

[Csargo]

~D

Also,


Well what about being in the discussion, but not voting?

[RoadKill]

Sorry I didn't vote last round, but I had computer issues and I just managed to get hold of a computer with internet. I'll try to be active, but most likely I won't be very, but the issues should be resolved in less than 5 days

Scummy may I say? You could be just saying that to take suspicion off urself and to look like that u couldn't have possibly killed GH and blackaxe becuase aparntly " you computer was broken". :inquisitive:

[Csargo]

Scummy may I say? You could be just saying that to take suspicion off urself and to look like that u couldn't have possibly killed GH and blackaxe becuase aparntly " you computer was broken". :inquisitive:

Trying to get an easy lynch, eh? It's easy to attack a person with computer problems, since he probably won't be around to defend himself.

It can go both ways :shrug:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

His partner could have sent the kill so it's not an excuse.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, his excuse is consistent, I'll give him that. He posted in the KotR OOC thread saying the exact same thing. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe him for now.

[seireikhaan]

I'm inclined to believe him as well. I know from personal experience how frustrating it can to have computer issues.

[Caius]

Crazed Rabbit, Dutch_guy, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Motep, Myrddraal, sapi, Tran, TwilightBlade, Xdeathfire

Excepting Xdeathfire, the members listed above are lurkers.

[Csargo]

Crazed Rabbit, Dutch_guy, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Motep, Myrddraal, sapi, Tran, TwilightBlade, Xdeathfire

Excepting Xdeathfire, the members listed above are lurkers.

Hmmm I'm a lurker. Who would have thought?:laugh4: :smash:

[Caius]

You didnt posted in the whole thread :no:

[BlackAxe3001]

So I just thought of something regarding the whole chat thing.

Why would Ichigo post about my role if he was pro-town? He wouldn't want the mafia to know they took someone important out right. I find his posting of me having a role suspicious in the fact that if he was pro-town you definitely don't want the mafia to know they took out someone important rather than a generic townie. Just something for you all to keep in mind I suppose. Suspicious... I think so.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That doesn't quite work.

"If he was pro-town he wouldn't want the mafia to know about it"

If he was mafia he would already know about it and wouldn't need to post about it.

[BlackAxe3001]

If he was mafia he would post it so the rest of the mafia would know that they took down someone with a pro-town role.

[Csargo]

If he was mafia he would post it so the rest of the mafia would know that they took down someone with a pro-town role.

I could just PM them that.

[sapi]

Interesting turn of events.

Sorry for the lurking, but I had so many other things to do it took me a while to catch up on this thread.

[Csargo]

Interesting turn of events.

Sorry for the lurking, but I had so many other things to do it took me a while to catch up on this thread.

Bad sapi:whip: You should pay more attention.:furious3:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What's interesting? I hate it when people say that.

[BlackAxe3001]

I give up

[scotchedpommes]

Now, let's crucify people for throw-away comments, Sasaki.

[Csargo]

Now, let's crucify people for throw-away comments, Sasaki.

Sounds like a plan.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Now, let's crucify people for throw-away comments, Sasaki.

Who said anything about crucifying anyone? You and me seem to be having communication issues...

[scotchedpommes]

Surely the irritation was sufficient reason, no?
Consider it a suggestion, then.

[sapi]

Okay

My notes on the thread so far:

The original kill
- I buy the explanation that GH was an attempted conversion
- Was BlackAxe targeted because he had a role?
- If so, how did they find out (more later)?

Discussion
- A lot of discussion by Ichigo and Sasaki, yet nothing out of the normal
- CA talks a lot and says nothing

The only suspicious person so far is Ichigo in the BlackAxe issue.

Accepting that BA is innocent gives his accusation a bit more weight; but if I'm reading this right and he revealed in IRC why haven't the logs been posted? :inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

https://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8069/emotwordsbl2.gif

~:confused: https://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6563/emotiiamvg1.gif ~:confused:

[Csargo]

The only suspicious person so far is Ichigo in the BlackAxe issue.

I've already explained my side of the story.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/YellowTerror.jpg

[sapi]

I'm sure you dont' mean that pic to be read as you being a rabid oriental out to kill white men...

[CountArach]

Or at least we can hope he isn't...

[Killfr3nzy]

I'm sure you dont' mean that pic to be read as you being a rabid oriental out to kill white men...

More specificly, wo-men.

[pevergreen]

So Killfrenzy, whats your uptake so far?

[Killfr3nzy]

Well Ichigo and Dicovery could be the mafia, as they were the only ones in chat with blackaxe, disco says he's not gonna be able to post as often, only shows up to defend Ichi and bandwagon a townie.
But that's probably wrong if the chat took place after. >.<
How many Cosa Nuova are there? I thought there were suppossed to be three, but there were only two kills/attempted converts. I'ma go check and see how many there where sposed to be now.
EDIT;
Yeah, there's three CN's.

There will be a total of three Cosa Nuova operatives (Mafiosi).
So that means either;
1. One didn't send in a PM, so is therefore absent.
2. Two guys 'buddied up' to get someone, which must mean it would increase thier chances to convert.
3. Kommodus only actualy created two CN.
4. One of the attempts succeded.
5. Something else that I can't think of right now.

Meybe we should lynch some of those that haven't been online in a while?

[pevergreen]

2 kills no matter how many.

[Killfr3nzy]

There will be no description of an attack when a player is converted, so you'll have no idea. :evil:
Ah crap, can't believe it took me this long to work out that there's a new CN. >.<
I can't remember, and can't be screwed looking right now; Do mini-CN's have the conversion ability?

[Andres]

Why does nobody ever bothers to read the rules...




There will be two or three Cosa Nuova operatives (Mafiosi), depending on how many people sign up. They will be randomly selected. Each night they will be able to target two villagers no matter how many remain.


*sigh*

That's 250,00 € please. You pay cash or by creditcard?

[sapi]

Wouldn't it be very obvious that someone got converted if there was only one kill recorded?

[pevergreen]

Maybe. But we wouldnt know who.

[Sigurd]

Wouldn't it be very obvious that someone got converted if there was only one kill recorded?
We'll see if the Mafia dare kill only one to fool us.

Considering the new information that Kommodus brought forth we should assume that foiled attempts = innocent player. That is; IF there are any doctor roles in this game.

[Killfr3nzy]

@Sigurd - I don't think they actualy get to choose if the person dies or not, they just inject them and the person either dies or gets converted.
@Andres and everyone else smart enough to remember that part of the rules - Gah, my bad, and thanks for the reminder.

Question - Would foiled attempts be shown? It would be a free showing of an innocent player, which might decrease the drama/suspense a bit.

[Andres]

@Andres and everyone else smart enough to remember that part of the rules - Gah, my bad, and thanks for the reminder.


You're welcome. Just don't forget to pay the bill. Off course, this post adds an additional fee of 50,00 €, so it's now 300,00 €. Cash or creditcard? Just send me a pm (+50,00 €) to work out the details of your payment.

[pevergreen]

We are in Australia.

He doesnt even have a job!

Back to the game please :focus:

[Sigurd]

@Sigurd - I don't think they actualy get to choose if the person dies or not, they just inject them and the person either dies or gets converted.

What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.

[pevergreen]

This game is sounding better and better :no:

[seireikhaan]

What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.

That could complicate things.:no: Of course, I have to wonder if you may have just given the mafia the idea to do just that. Perhaps they hadn't thought of it, and you may have just given them another tool.(although I'll presume you did so accidentally, for now)

[sapi]

Better that we know and can work around it than otherwise

[pevergreen]

You always presume the mafia has experience. They would have thought of it.

Even if he sigurd was mafia, he wouldnt need to post that. He would probably be more careful. But that leads to wifom.

He stated facts, lets leave it at that.

[seireikhaan]

Alright. I was just saying, I don't like giving an opponent any extra possibilities. And, as I said, I was not insinuating that Sigurd was mafia, I was just saying to be careful what you say.

[pevergreen]

Thats a mafia way of playing. You dont have anything to hide when your a normal townie....:inquisitive:

[Kommodus]

There will be two or three Cosa Nuova operatives (Mafiosi), depending on how many people sign up. They will be randomly selected. Each night they will be able to target two villagers no matter how many remain.

I'm actually making a slight change to this rule: if the mafia are reduced to one member in total, they'll only get one attack per night.

This doesn't help the town much, though, since as has already been pointed out, there are many reasons why you might see only one attack description.

Just felt I should point that out instead of just changing things up without telling anyone...

:juggle2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.

I can see that wagon coming now. "Oh look, there was only one kill, I bet they tried to convert Sasaki and succeeded!"

[Andres]

I can see that wagon coming now. "Oh look, there was only one kill, I bet they tried to convert Sasaki and succeeded!"

Why are you defending yourself against an accusation that is yet to be made?

[scotchedpommes]

What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.

I could envisage this tactic being used at a later stage in proceedings, but
wouldn't it be in their interest this early to try and convert as many as possible?

[Warmaster Horus]

Andres, at least Sasaki mentioned it before anyone said anything. It is more or less obvious that it's going to happen. Eventually.

[Sigurd]

I could envisage this tactic being used at a later stage in proceedings, but
wouldn't it be in their interest this early to try and convert as many as possible?
It would. That's why I put 'dare' in my initial post.

We'll see if the Mafia dare kill only one to fool us.
Hence we should consider it highly possible that the mafia has increased in numbers should it happen this early in the game.

The mafia will be taking great risks by not attempting two murders every night. Every time someone is saved or if they choose to target only one or none they increase the chance of getting caught. Every new round they add to the game is one more round of speculation and a lynching.

[Andres]

Just an announcement:

My wife and I are leaving for the Ardennes tomorrow morning and I won't be posting here until monday.

I just hope I'm still alive when I come back :sweatdrop:

For those who celebrate it: Happy Eastern !

[Csargo]

Just an announcement:

My wife and I are leaving for the Ardennes tomorrow morning and I won't be posting here until monday.

I just hope I'm still alive when I come back :sweatdrop:

For those who celebrate it: Happy Eastern !

Happy Eastern? I'm going out of town too so my posting will be limited from Friday to Monday.

[Caius]

I wont jump in the announcement bandwagon :grin:

[Kommodus]

Night 2


Rdece.Jabolko was not a happy man. He had refused to go along with the assembly’s decision to put to death a man he had believed to be innocent. Warluster was a fool, to be sure, but likely guilty only of antisocial behavior, not murder. The individual Rdece deeply distrusted, however, was still at large.

The sun had gone down before the Gacaca assembly had ended, and by the time he made it back to his small house, it was too late for dinner. He lived alone, and there was no one waiting for him with a kiss and a hot meal. He allowed himself a twinge of regret at this continuing state of affairs, then stripped off his day clothes and settled into bed. After one last glance at the machete that had rested on his nightstand for months, he turned off the light, rolled over, and closed his eyes.

Just as he was about to drift off into sleep, he was suddenly jolted back to alertness by the sound of footsteps outside the door. He sat up sharply, reaching for the machete. “Who’s there?” he called, his mind racing. Had he forgotten to lock the door? No, he’d remembered. He was sure this was the Interahamwe, come for him at last!

Yet it was an unexpected sight that greeted his eyes as the bedroom door swung open and the moonlight flooded in. There in the doorway stood the dark and shapely silhouette of a woman, her hands at her sides, unarmed. As his eyes became accustomed to the dark, Rdece observed a seductive look in her gleaming eyes.

“Who are you?” he asked, trying to sound forceful. The woman responded by taking a slow step forward, then another and another. Her hips swayed hypnotically as she moved; Rdece was entranced. His eyes wandered slowly over her half-dressed form; her skin was dark and smooth, while her face, framed by long dark hair, featured bright eyes, half-closed, and a suggestive smirk. Slowly he let his arm fall to the side, his machete clattering to the floor.

Now she was almost to the bed. One last time, Rdece tried to speak. “What do y-” he was cut off as the woman placed one finger over his lips. She climbed on top of the bed, her legs straddling the spellbound man. Placing both hands on his shoulders, she forcefully pushed him down to the bed and covered his mouth with a passionate kiss.

All thoughts of resistance left Rdece at that moment. He returned the kiss hungrily and wrapped his arms around the woman’s lithe form, giving himself over completely to his body’s desire…

…

FLASHBACK

Inside a sterile white laboratory, two men were speaking in low tones.

“What you’re proposing is dangerous,” the first was saying. He was dressed in a white surgeon’s coat, and was cleaning several metal implements as he spoke. “She may have survived the first dose of nanites, but it’s unlikely she’ll survive long with the concentrations you suggest.”

“True,” responded the other, a man dressed more casually. “But think of the potential gain if it works. No epidemic has even approached the magnitude of AIDS. If we can succeed in expanding our network in this fashion, it will spread throughout the continent in a matter of months, with very little direct involvement from us. If there’s one thing that can be counted on without fail, it is mankind’s lack of self control.”

The ‘surgeon’ thought about this for a moment. “Your argument is sound,” he conceded. “She’s only one person, after all; we’re sure to gain another node before long. Still, I wish we didn’t have to risk our first and only node. I would’ve liked to have more time to study her.”

The casually-dressed man shrugged. “Not to worry,” he said. “You’ll soon have more than enough material to work with.”

The surgeon nodded and returned to his cleaning task, meticulously scrubbing each tool. “Who would have thought that our first convert would be a prostitute?” he mused. “Targeting those who appeared intelligent seemed like a logical choice, but appearances, it would seem, continue to deceive. I suppose it’s true… many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.”

END FLASHBACK

…

In a building across from Rdece.Jabolko’s house, a figure clad in black crouched on the roof and held a pair of binoculars up to his eyes. He was carefully observing the wild dance of the two figures inside. Yet this was no common voyeur. He was also monitoring something carefully on the screen of a small PDA.

Some time later the activity inside the bedroom became quiet. Two figures lay silently inside, embraced tightly in one another’s arms. And still the man in black watched and waited.

Several hours later, his expression became grim as he stared at the PDA. A hushed curse escaped his lips. He stood up and headed for a door on the roof, disappearing into the shadows.

…

At about the same time Rdece.Jabolko was arriving at home, another man was still on his way back from the proceedings. He had a little further to walk, as his house was on the far north side of town, down a long and secluded dirt road. The man known as Crazed Rabbit had long stood out among the people of Gisenyi as an unusually upright man. His trustworthiness was well-known, as his commitment to the truth extended even to situations in which it was not in his advantage to be honest. Tonight, he had not participated in the execution and was returning home with a clear conscience.

Abruptly, he felt something sharp pierce his neck. He gave a loud cry as his hand flew to the spot, hoping to swat away the insect or whatever it was that had bitten him. Instead, his hand came away with a small dart. He stared at it for a moment, puzzled. Then he fell to the ground, unconscious.

When he came to, there was a pungent, irritating sensation in his nose. He grunted, sneezed, and opened his eyes – only to shut them tightly again when a blinding light greeted him. He found himself strapped tightly to a table by his arms, legs, and head.

“Good morning, Mr. Rabbit,” came a voice from nearby. “I apologize for awakening you in this manner, but I’m afraid you must be conscious for the procedure.”

Opening his eyes a little, Crazed Rabbit looked around for the source of the voice. He saw a man in a white surgeon’s coat, withdrawing what appeared to be smelling salts and placing them aside.

“Bored of the old machete and rifle tactics, huh?” said Crazed Rabbit, trying to sound confident. “Why do you insist on continuing this? Don’t you see you’re only hurting everyone, both your people and ours? The genocide is over!”

“Genocide?” the ‘surgeon’ said, turning abruptly. “No, Mr. Rabbit, you misunderstand. I am not who you think I am; my goal is not your death. I seek only to aid humanity; and you, once you have seen the light, will undoubtedly be more than willing to help.”

“Help you?” muttered Crazed Rabbit incredulously. “Not likely. If you’re such a saint, let me go and tell me about your proposal like a civilized man.”

The surgeon shook his head, turning back to a table covered with metal implements. “I’m afraid it’s not that simple,” he said, selecting a scalpel and turning back. “The sacrifice required of you is too important to leave to your own free will.”

He picked up a diagram and studied it for a moment before continuing. “The maxillary branch of the trigeminal nerve is an excellent conduit to the brain,” he said. “But even more than that, it is among the most difficult to repair. Many who suffer injury to this nerve are forced to live with major facial damage for the rest of their lives. Yet the organization I represent believes we can reverse this, along with many other so-called ‘incurable’ conditions.”

The surgeon began swabbing Crazed Rabbit’s cheek with an alcohol-covered piece of cotton. “Yet as with every scientific advance, we can never be certain until we try, no?” he said. “I must make one more apology before we begin; you, of all people, deserve nothing less than the truth. I cannot tell you this will not hurt, for in truth, damage to this nerve is considered among the most agonizing pain a human being can experience. Alas, to maximize our chances of success, the operation will have to proceed without anesthesia. Yet be comforted in the knowledge that at the end of this you will understand the merits of our quest for knowledge. You will finally see the larger picture; you will be brought to the light.”

“No,” pleaded Crazed Rabbit as the scalpel approached. “NO!” He cried out in anguish as the sharp blade pierced his face below the cheekbone, severing the crucial nerve. After this he was unable to speak, but the pain remained unbearable as the man in white inserted a syringe into his face and injected something.

The surgeon continued working for a few more minutes, then staunched the bleeding and withdrew to a monitoring station. He typed rapidly into the computer for a few minutes, then sat down and watched.

The agony in his face was too great for Crazed Rabbit to notice the headache coming on several hours later. He greeted the unconsciousness that took him gratefully.

The man in white, however, shook his head sadly. “Another failure,” he said with disappointment in his voice. “I hope the other is having better fortune.”

…

The body of Rdece.Jabolko was discovered in the late morning by a neighbor, still in the embrace of a prostitute, also dead. It was generally agreed that the man had shown poor judgment, and was mostly responsible for his own demise. However, when Crazed Rabbit’s body was dug up from a shallow and poorly-hid grave later in the day, consternation once again gripped the town of Gisenyi.

People were already gathering near the town center when the news of Crazed Rabbit’s death arrived, however, for another reason. A second curious phrase had been left there, similar to the previous day’s message. Arranged in large letters formed from stones, this message read:

NOT THE INTERAHAMWE.

Mayor Rwigema, as on the previous day, was there to take charge. “This is indeed troubling,” he said to those nearby. “Not only does it appear likely we have killed an innocent man, but we may be facing a more serious threat than we originally supposed.”

“People of Gisenyi!” Rwigema announced in a louder voice to the gathered crowd. “Tonight we reconvene the court of Gacaca! It is clear that the killers remain among us, for four deaths in two days are too unlikely to be coincidence. Whether the Interahamwe or another threat, it is time to defend ourselves and our families!”

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko

Lynched

Warluster

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Destroyer of Hope
discovery1
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Ichigo
Ignoramus
Kagemusha
Killfr3nzy
Motep
Myrddraal
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
Tran
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Xehh II

[GeneralHankerchief]

Haha, I nominate rdece's death as the best one evar.

[scotchedpommes]

Haha, I nominate rdece's death as the best one evar.

Quiet, Barney-bait. ~;)

[CountArach]

Yeah if you gotta go down, might as well be like that :wink:

[seireikhaan]

Yeah if you gotta go down, might as well be like that :wink:

Indeed.

[pevergreen]

Now im scared someones going to have a man do that to them.

[seireikhaan]

"Good morning, Mr. Rabbit." Mr. Rabbit? I thought that was pretty funny.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Somebody should linkie the "silly rabbit trix are for kids" death that was cooked up for him a while back -- THAT was wild.

General Hanky is on track with his assessment -- a venatrix poisoning no less. I'd read that in a book once, but that was well written.

[scotchedpommes]

Now im scared someones going to have a man do that to them.

Wrath of God, perhaps?

:skull:

[Killfr3nzy]

Yeah, out of the five deaths so far (including lynch), I think I'd like to suffer Rdece.Jabolko's when my time comes.
Hey, if theres three CN's, and they get two 'kills' per night, that means they'd take turns right? So one of the next kills might be awsome as well, if the guys continueing thier style? Not sure how that would help though. >.<

[CountArach]

Vote: Killfr3nzy

How do you know they are taking turns?

[Lord Winter]

Vote: Killfr3nzy

How do you know they are taking turns?
It was that way in Cosa Nuova I, Although we all agreed on the victims then the two people who's turn it was sent in the method.

Also Kommodus how much of the kills is the mafia and how much is you?

Also sasski, your still my number one suspect. So why don't you show us your proof of inocence?

Edit: Oh and Seamus was this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1337663&postcount=689) what you were looking for.

[Caius]

"Good morning, Mr. Rabbit." Mr. Rabbit? I thought that was pretty funny.
Being killed its no funny :no:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Dammit DoH, you beat me to it. :cry: (the Wanax/Trix bit)

[seireikhaan]

[QUOTE=Seamus Fermanagh Somebody should linkie the "silly rabbit trix are for kids" death that was cooked up for him a while back -- THAT was wild.QUOTE]

Lol, that WAS wild! :laugh4:

[Killfr3nzy]

Vote: Killfr3nzy

How do you know they are taking turns?

Because theres three of them and they only get two kills? I guess they would probably agree on targets like Destroyer of Hope said, but this is my first mafia, so I don't know how these things are usually sorted.

[Tran]

Without further ado...

Vote: Sapi

Just a pressure vote, normally he's enthusiast in each game he played but now suddenly he's nowhere to be found. Could be using his "busy schedule" as an excuse for lurking and avoid getting lynched.

Although I'm very tempted to vote for Stig due to his last game's strange attitude toward me...

[Kommodus]

Also Kommodus how much of the kills is the mafia and how much is you?

Hehe... that's for me to know and for you not to find out. :evil:

[Tran]

Hehe... that's for me to know and for you not to find out. :evil:
!!! I know you're part of the mafia conspiracy and now all hope is loss for the townie! :bigcry:

[CountArach]

Unvote: KillFr3nzy

Just wanted to get some talk out of him

[Csargo]

Vote:Myrddraal

What are your thoughts thus far?

[Csargo]

Unvote: KillFr3nzy

Just wanted to get some talk out of him

Now that makes no sense. He had just posted before you voted him. I smell something fishy....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It was that way in Cosa Nuova I, Although we all agreed on the victims then the two people who's turn it was sent in the method.

Also Kommodus how much of the kills is the mafia and how much is you?



As you should remember from cn1, we just sent the method and he wrote the rest.

[CountArach]

Now that makes no sense. He had just posted before you voted him. I smell something fishy....

What he said wasn't really relevant though.

[Killfr3nzy]

:jumping: Yay I'm no longer suspected of evil-doing! :jumping:

Now that makes no sense. He had just posted before you voted him. I smell something fishy....
Eh, it got some discussion going, just like all random votes...

[Csargo]

What he said wasn't really relevant though.

Both of his replies were very similar in context. 3 mafioso's=2 kills, etc. Both replies were almost exactly the same!!:furious3: :furious3: :dizzy2: :dizzy2:

[CountArach]

Alright, I agree with you looking at it again.

But why are you so eagre to help him?

[Csargo]

Alright, I agree with you looking at it again.

But why are you so eagre to help him?

I'm not defending him. I'm wondering what your up too.

[CountArach]

Just creating conversation.

[Csargo]

Just creating conversation.

I guess so, but something's fishy here. I'm not quite sure what it is yet, but I've got my eye on you.

[Csargo]

So little discussion....

[Csargo]

Unvote:Myrd
Vote:CA

Something doesn't seem right with him. So he has my vote.

[Killfr3nzy]

Hardly anyone's posted. But this could just be a timezone thing. I know that whenever I log on in the morning theres a crapload of posts.

P.S. - This is the day/voting phase right? Meybe we should lynch some of the people who've said nothing. They're either hiding or not playing.

[HughTower]

Unvote:Myrd
Vote:CA

Something doesn't seem right with him. So he has my vote.

CA's standard gameplay is:

Vote X for no reason
When challenged, saying he was trying to start a conversation.
Then ask his challenger why he's defending X
Rinse & repeat through out game


It doesn't really help anything or anyone, but it does rock his world & it covered him nicely in your recent Mafia. Whether or not, he's guilty because of it, I don't know. Has lightning struck twice?


Without further ado...

Vote: Sapi

Just a pressure vote, normally he's enthusiast in each game he played but now suddenly he's nowhere to be found. Could be using his "busy schedule" as an excuse for lurking and avoid getting lynched.

Although I'm very tempted to vote for Stig due to his last game's strange attitude toward me...


One, we should give people the benefit of the doubt when they say they are busy. In my book it'd be pretty dishonourable to claim RL as a cover for nefarious activities.

Two, throwing suspicion on a player because of another game is not cool.

Three, where you been at? This looks like a poorly thought out effort at saying something for the sake of it to cover up your erstwhile lurking. That, my friend, is very dubious.

So, with no further ado.....

Vote: Tran

[Sigurd]

First of I will commend Kommodus on his story. I don’t think I have done so yet.
The Africa setting is well narrated and you feel the TIA. I guess we are all white men in Africa, aright bru, eh?
[edit]: heh, upon further reading in the second CNII thread I guess we are all natives.

I have to follow up my accusation against Stig and name him a Mafioso that wouldn’t let the tie stand more than a few hours.

Vote: Stig

[Killfr3nzy]

The comment about the tie-breaking is fair enough, but I probably would have done the same; Voted for Warluster so Sasaki wouldn't die. Mainly because he seems of more use if pro-town.

[sapi]

Vote: Tran

Because I've already explained why I was away for the first round and started getting back up to my usual participation - dont' forget that timezone is an issue as well; I normally only get to comment a few times per day

[Killfr3nzy]

Vote Count (as of #437);
CA - 1 (Ichi)
Stig - 1 (Sigurd)
Tran - 2 (sapi, HughT)
sapi - 1 (Tran)
Killfr3nzy - 1 (stig)

[Stig]

Although I'm very tempted to vote for Stig due to his last game's strange attitude toward me...
Yeah that makes sense
I'm really tempted to vote you now, but seeing you already have 2 votes I don't think that's necessary. Sides they'll say I bandwagon.

Vote: Killfr3nzy
He's pretty active, sides he comes up with all sorts of things, could be scummy


I have to follow up my accusation against Stig and name him a Mafioso that wouldn’t let the tie stand more than a few hours.

Stig did the same in mafia vi as town.

[Tran]

Vote: Tran

Because I've already explained why I was away for the first round and started getting back up to my usual participation - dont' forget that timezone is an issue as well; I normally only get to comment a few times per day

OMG BANDWAGON!!! https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif and sudden appearance (after I voted you).....:smash:

@Stig: You're suspicious, you always will...

[Dutch_guy]

Well written kills, would be very interested in how much you write yourself Kommodus - although I of all people understand why it's not going to happen, at this stage at least.

Even with the 3 abstain = humiliating WOG it is quite easy to lurk, even more so if you fit that lurking profile, we should be wary of those not voting - or not participating at all. Especially when they can still fit in the crowd this easily.

I don't quite understand why the mafia killed GeneralH, and Rdece. Both are players who will at some point garner at least some suspicion. Especially after rdece fooled the town in Ichigo's game, I daresay we've forgotten about that already ?

:balloon2:

[Killfr3nzy]

Vote: Killfr3nzy
He's pretty active, sides he comes up with all sorts of things, could be scummy

So the fact that I have no life and post some random stuff makes me mafia? Ouch. Not exactly sure how to defend myself from this.
Heres me attempt. Stig's reasons;
1. I'm active.
2. I come up with all sorts of things.
I don't actualy see how 1 + 2 leads to 3 - I'm scummy.
That aside, I don't think one vote will get me killed (unless I get bandwagon'd while I sleep :(), and I'll wait for some more peeps to post who they think is guilty and why before I place a vote.

[Stig]

Will you come up with all sorts of things that are supposed to be clear.
All sorts of reasons why we only see 2 kills, while it's clear that there're only 2 kills.
Next to that mafia always tend to be a bit more active then the average players, unless you're the lurking mafia.

[sapi]

Well written kills, would be very interested in how much you write yourself Kommodus - although I of all people understand why it's not going to happen, at this stage at least.

Even with the 3 abstain = humiliating WOG it is quite easy to lurk, even more so if you fit that lurking profile, we should be wary of those not voting - or not participating at all. Especially when they can still fit in the crowd this easily.

I don't quite understand why the mafia killed GeneralH, and Rdece. Both are players who will at some point garner at least some suspicion. Especially after rdece fooled the town in Ichigo's game, I daresay we've forgotten about that already ?

:balloon2:
I sorta buy the explanation that they were trying for a convert as things are...

[Stig]

I always like it how DG talks about lurkers when he never votes himself

[Sigurd]

I always like it how DG talks about lurkers when he never votes himself
I guess we will see a massive WoG in the next round if people don't start voting soon. It is not three in a row that counts but a 3 total abstains. Many are up by two if they miss out in this round. That will WoG them at any point later in the game where they 'forget' to vote.

The Mafia will be happy.

[pevergreen]

It doesn't really help anything or anyone, but it does rock his world & it covered him nicely in your recent Mafia. Whether or not, he's guilty because of it, I don't know. Has lightning struck twice?

Yes, it struck one man 7 times. He lived on the Gold Coast.

[Kagemusha]

Well,well.What to think.I see huge amount of posts,but next to nothing suspicious. Maybe Stig´s braking of the tie, but that looks like too blunt to be an mafia players move at these early rounds. So in this kind of situation i have to do the classical thing and Vote Sasaki, becouse i dont want to be wogged.:laugh4:

[Twilightblade]

But was he in the same place all seven times?

[pevergreen]

HoS: Twlightblade

You have that post. That is all. What are your thoughts.

[Twilightblade]

at the moment i think i should post more other than that the posts move too fast to keep track of

[pevergreen]

Post what you think. What is your opinion? Who is looking the most scummy?

You are incriminating yourself. :no:

Vote: Twlightblade

[Sigurd]

More than halfway through this voting phase and the people in danger of earning two abstains are:

CR
Dutch_guy
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Twilightblade
Xdeathfire

[pevergreen]

Out of that CR, DG and Motep should have voted by now.

Twilight will vote to save, others are probably inactive.

[Killfr3nzy]

Yay, we discovered one already. Pever for mayor. :inquisitive:

Vote Count (as of #458);
CA - 1 (Ichi)
Stig - 1 (Sigurd)
Tran - 2 (sapi, HughT)
sapi - 1 (Tran)
Killfr3nzy - 1 (stig)
Twilightblade - 1 (pever)
Sasaki - 1 (kage)

[pevergreen]

Who did we find?

Good work with the vote count.

[Killfr3nzy]

Twilight, duh. ;p

[pevergreen]

Then vote him....:inquisitive:

[Killfr3nzy]

It is tempting to lynch him, but I wanna hear his excuses for not posting for so long (aka the whole game bar one post). As far as I know he had no reason not to, so t could be him. I'd have to say a pretty poor idea if he is mafia though, he should have at least voted before.

[scotchedpommes]

Good work with the vote count.

On the contrary, Kage's vote for Sasaki seems to have been ignored.

[pevergreen]

As far as I know he had no reason not to, so t could be him.

We both know he has had no reason. For anyone else, we are friends in RL.

[pevergreen]

On the contrary, Kage's vote for Sasaki seems to have been ignored.
I didnt check if it was right, I said it was good that a new player was catching on.

:laugh4: He plays good in real mafia as well.

I revealed as detective, after investigating him, told everyone he was mafia, he says "Yes I am mafia, you COULD lynch me..but you could also lynch Krsna."

Krsna was instantly voted by everyone.

:grin2: Anyway, :focus:

[Killfr3nzy]

On the contrary, Kage's vote for Sasaki seems to have been ignored.
Damnit, when did he do that?

I revealed as detective, after investigating him, told everyone he was mafia, he says "Yes I am mafia, you COULD lynch me..but you could also lynch Krsna."

Krsna was instantly voted by everyone.

And I won that game too. All fear the Magic Pointing Finger of Auto-Lynch!
Neways, I'm off to check where the hell Kage posted and modify my Vote Count if he did vote Sasaki.
EDIT - OK, he did vote for Sasaki, a while ago. >.<
Vote count put up again.


Vote Count (as of #466);
Tran - 3 (sapi, HughT, Greaterkhaan)
Stig - 2 (Sigurd, Tran)
CA - 1 (Ichi)
Killfr3nzy - 1 (stig)
Twilightblade - 1 (pever)
Sasaki - 1 (kage)
Ichigo - 1 (Sasaki)
Pever - 1 (Caius)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

fos:Kage for lurking.

Vote:Ichigo for acting weird.


We seem to be lynching Tran at the moment. Neither vote on him seems to be as serious accusation.

[pevergreen]

Sasaki have you got my last two unrelated-to-this game PM's?

[Tran]

All right, this is sucks, first I voted for sapi cuz I wanted him to show up and he did that. I should have retract my vote on him in my earlier post :wall: now I'm the edge of being lynched :dizzy2:

Unvote: sapi

pever why did you ask Sasaki about unrelated PM here? That sounds a bit strange...however...

Vote: Stig

All right Stig, I won't hold it anymore, time to get ya! :charge:

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Tran

I don't like the idea of you voting for someone just because you want them to squirm or because you didn't like how they acted in a previous game. That's why I'm voting you.
Edit: Bolded the vote.

[pevergreen]

Bold that vote please :bow:

I was unsure if he got them, i was unsure of other threads he would read.

[Tran]

You could at least put some better accusation and the bandwagon...but many people here bandwagon already anyway...

[Caius]

Then vote him....:inquisitive:
Well, pever, I think you should explain Why? you want Twilight dead.

If you do that, I will withrdraw my vote.

vote:pevergreen

[HughTower]

You could at least put some better accusation and the bandwagon...but many people here bandwagon already anyway...

Take your own advice, & put some meat on your vote against Stig then.

I put the original hoo-doo on you. If you answer my accusations clearly, I will remove my vote.

This is a challenge rather than a 'serious' accusation, as Sasaki says.

[Tran]

What answer? I think I have sum it up pretty clear...you're just exploiting the advantageous situation

[Killfr3nzy]

Caius, Pever wants Twilight dead because we know him in RL, and he hasn't mentioned anything about computer issues or a busy timetable, and he hasn't answered our questions on why he hasn't said anything (here or on msn).
I'm gonna vote him now too, for those reasons, and I don't wanna have a no vote on my record come morning (when's the deadline?).
Vote:Twilightblade

Vote Count (as of #468);
Tran - 3 (sapi, HughT, Greaterkhaan)
Stig - 2 (Sigurd, Tran)
Twilightblade - 2 (pever, Killfr3nzy)
CountA - 1 (Ichi)
Killfr3nzy - 1 (stig)
Sasaki - 1 (kage)
Ichigo - 1 (Sasaki)
CR- 1 (Caius)
Dutch_Guy - 1 (RoadKill)

[Dutch_guy]

I always like it how DG talks about lurkers when he never votes himself

Do note I never deny myself being one.

I simply stated I know how dangerous they can be. You may have noted me being mafia in GeneralH's last game, a lot of people died.

:balloon2:

[RoadKill]

Do note I never deny myself being one.

I simply stated I know how dangerous they can be. You may have noted me being mafia in GeneralH's last game, a lot of people died.

:balloon2:

Are you referring that your doing the same thing this game?
Vote: Dutch_Guy

[Caius]

Ok then.
Unvote:Twilight
Vote:Crazed Rabbit
He posted in the Rise of Civilizations, but here no.Very strange indeed

[Stig]

@Tran, I won't vote for you because I don't need to, but why are you voting for me because what I did in a different game.


First you vote Sapi for not being here enough.
After Sapi makes a reply you say he just showed up, directly after your vote.
And now you say it's ok afterall.
That's not only suspicious, but it's also suspicious ~D


@Roadkill, DG will simply vote next round and such, he never votes much, he doesn't want to vote for innocent people. A good mafia-tactic, but he does it as townie as well, otherwise you'll never be trusted.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ok then.
Unvote:Twilight
Vote:Crazed Rabbit
He posted in the Rise of Civilizations, but here no.Very strange indeed


Crazed Rabbit was killed.

Also, FoS Dutch_guy. There was a quote a while back that I didn't like. I think it was the one about it being weird that the mafia killed me and rdece.

[Caius]

Damn you Sigurd!
Unvote:CR
RVTL:Myrddraal

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Tran

I don't like the idea of you voting for someone just because you want them to squirm or because you didn't like how they acted in a previous game. That's why I'm voting you.
Edit: Bolded the vote.

Bandwagon!

greaterkhaan how did you arrive at your suspicions of Tran? What do you think of the other people being voted?

[Dutch_guy]

Are you referring that your doing the same thing this game?
Vote: Dutch_Guy

No, I am not.

I find it interesting how you can gather that out of the post you quoted, I am impressed - I daresay even Sasaki himself could have spun it that far around.

:balloon2:

[Tran]

@Tran, I won't vote for you because I don't need to, but why are you voting for me because what I did in a different game.


First you vote Sapi for not being here enough.
After Sapi makes a reply you say he just showed up, directly after your vote.
And now you say it's ok afterall.
That's not only suspicious, but it's also suspicious ~D
I'm new townie, therefore sometimes I looked suspicious :grin: (yes this is my excuse) ~;)

I will have to avoid lynch and save my life (I'm sure you will do the same) ~;p

Unvote: Stig
Vote:Twilightblade

[Stig]

I'm new townie, therefore sometimes I looked suspicious :grin: (yes this is my excuse) ~;)
Kind of a bad excuse imo.


I'm new to the game so I'm no mafia

[pevergreen]

Scanned over the recent games...Ichigo you are acting weird...

Unvote: Twilight
Vote: Ichigo

[Tran]

I will have to avoid lynch and save my life (I'm sure you will do the same) ~;p
Unvote: Twilightblade
Vote: Ichigo

Vote Count (as of #480):
Ichigo - 3 (Sasaki, pevergreen, Tran)
Tran - 3 (sapi, HughT, Greaterkhaan)
Stig - 1 (Sigurd)
Twilightblade - 1 (Killfr3nzy)
CountA - 1 (Ichigo)
Killfr3nzy - 1 (stig)
Sasaki - 1 (kage)
CR - 1 (Caius)
Dutch_Guy - 1 (RoadKill)

[Stig]

All the bandwagons, why won't I join one as well.

Vote:Tran, for:

First you vote Sapi for not being here enough.
After Sapi makes a reply you say he just showed up, directly after your vote.
And now you say it's ok afterall.
That's not only suspicious, but it's also suspicious
And bandwagoning


even if it means I have to bandwagon myself

[Tran]

Infidel!

[Sigurd]

Damn you Sigurd!
Unvote:CR
RVTL:Myrddraal

I caught you sleeping eh, bru?

[Caius]

I caught you sleeping eh, bru?
:yes::shame:

[HughTower]

All the bandwagons, why won't I join one as well.

Vote:Tran, for:

And bandwagoning


even if it means I have to bandwagon myself

Can I just define what "bandwagoning" is?

It is voting for a player for whom several votes have already been placed for no other reason than that there are already votes on him.

[Stig]

Can I just define what "bandwagoning" is?

It is voting for a player for whom several votes have already been placed for no other reason than that there are already votes on him.
Well in that case I don't bandwagon ... but Tran did

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Caius Flaminius

Rationale: Not paying attention, too carefully crafting a "distracted" persona with silly votes:

Round 1 = Abstain (just happened to forget Kommo's repeated don't do this)
Omanes
Sasaki (how original, a 1st round vote for Sasaki)

Round 2 = pevergreen
t-blade
Crazed Rabbit (voting for the recently murdered as though "skipping" the write ups:dizzy: )
Myrrdraal (who has yet to post following sign-ups, cutting edge pressure vote this :wall: )


Other frequent vote shifters =

Tran (also 4 different votes, but this seems -- so far at least -- purely for defensive reasons).

Tran, please note that this can be taken too far.

[Caius]

Bold bote sir.

[Csargo]

Scanned over the recent games...Ichigo you are acting weird...

Unvote: Twilight
Vote: Ichigo

Well, well, well.. How do you expect me too reply to that? If you maybe give me some occurence of when I was weird, then, maybe just maybe, I could explain it.

[seireikhaan]

Bandwagon!

greaterkhaan how did you arrive at your suspicions of Tran? What do you think of the other people being voted?

I thought I made myself clear. He's accusing people for very poor reasons, so at the best he's being an unproductive townie.

As for others, in my experience, Ichigo is very often weird(such as in rise of civs). Twilight seems less supsicious(imo) because he's at least not accusing people because they have RL issues or because he didn't like what they did in some other game. Yes, Stig broke the tie, but I seriously doubt that a mafia agent would do so, as it would be suspicious, so I think he did it without realizing it would place suspicion on him.

[CountArach]

I see Twilight being quite innocent personally, because if he had a role then I see him being more active. If I remember correctly, he is usually more active than this (Not that I remember any games he played in all that well). However, I will admit that coming in to avoid the WoG is a bit sus.

Ichigo I think is only doing good for the town. Just creating conversation, because there is so little.


As for others, in my experience, Ichigo is very often weird(such as in rise of civs).

Why are you comparing non-mafia games with mafia games? That makes no sense. Still I agree with you in that he often acts the way he is.

I will however vote for Tran because of this post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1494733&postcount=461

As a townie he should be willing to be lynched. In that post he is just being a bad townie, or a scum trying to act a townie. No one even challenge his vote (That I can see, so I could be wrong), yet he still blames his vote for being the reason he is getting lynched.

Vote: Tran

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No townies should be willing to get lynched.

[CountArach]

Sorry, I meant die for the cause. Rather than deflecting his attention onto other people (Like he did with Stig). Rather than doing that he should prove his innocence.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Die for what cause? Dying doesn't help any cause.

How is anyone supposed to prove their innocence, especially when the reasons given for voting them are, for example "you should prove your innocence"?

[CountArach]

I didn't vote for him because I wanted him to prove his innocence. I voted for him because of INSTEAD of trying to prove his innocence, he deflected attention onto Stig.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Can you prove your innocence?

This game would be easy if all the townies could prove their innocence upon request.

[CountArach]

No I can't prove my own innocence, however I am not going to deflect attention onto someone elseso that I can see another Townie be lynched instead of me.

[BlackAxe3001]

Witch hunt! We will prove your innocence by throwing you in the middle of a bunch of rabid camels. If you live you are mafia, if you die you are innocent!

[discovery1]

Vote: Ichigo cuz he's always in the chat.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Can you prove your innocence?

This game would be easy if all the townies could prove their innocence upon request.

Speaking of which...