View Full Version : Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded]
He broke a tie which was set up to give time for a third party to reveal themselves as a fellow investigatee (via GH if necessary), & therefore his innocence. This is a fact, as is his self-confessed evasiveness. His defence of GH's argument was pointless. He is acting very scummily.
I agree that breaking the tie wasn't a smart move. Considering the fact that several players live in different timezones, it would have been better to wait until the investigated third player confirmed Sasaki's and Ichigo's story through GH (to protect that players identity from the mafia).
Sasaki, I am willing to believe your innocence, but breaking the tie wasn't a good move imho. You must admit that there is a weak point in your story: how did you know Ichigo was investigated as well? How did you know each other?
Why didn't the third investigated person contact one of the dead (and thus confirmed innocent) players yet to confirm your story?
Not breaking the tie would have given the opportunity to "number 3", who might be living in a different timezone, to confirm the story. We could have let the tie exist for as long as we wanted, after 12 hours putting a deathline, etc etc...
Breaking the tie has given a serious blow to your credibility in this game.
I broke a tie, still 5 of you voted the same as I did
I broke a tie, still 5 of you voted the same as I did
The circumstances were different.
That situation can not be compared with this one.
Pro-Town Roles
The only known pro-town role is Agent Bayingana, an MI-6 agent tasked with stopping the Cosa Nuova. His precise abilities are unknown. There are also several additional pro-town roles, but their number and types are hidden.
Off course, one can ask himself the question: Is there a detective in this game???
HughTower
04-12-2007, 14:11
I broke a tie, still 5 of you voted the same as I did
The circumstances were different.
That situation can not be compared with this one.
Exactly. Stig, you weren't under suspicion at that point.
However, if my memory serves me right, you did it to protect Sasaki from a lynch....... a mafioso wouldn't be that overt? Would they? Wouldn't they?
Hmmmm.....
:juggle2:
[FONT=Verdana]There will be a total of three Cosa Nuova operatives (Mafiosi).
Gah! To be 100 % sure, we need two investigated players to confirm Sasaki's and Ichigo's story.
:inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-12-2007, 16:17
guys, there was no tie in the traditional sense. It ended with the next vote, I just ensured that it didn't end with a confirmed innocence lynched.
Currently we have a tie vote between Sasaki and Xdeathfire. Voting will continue until the tie is broken.
We could have all stopped voting, keeping the tie and alot of opportunity for every player, regardless of timezone to discuss what to do + "number 3" would have been able to confirm your story.
But we'll see what happens tonight and in the next voting round. You should start praying your story will get confirmed by two other players. If nobody confirms, you'll probably get lynched both and you'll only have yourself to blame for it.
I think Sasaki is scum.
We need the tie to discuss more.You (Sasaki) saved yourself very faster.Thats scummy
Seamus Fermanagh
04-12-2007, 20:54
Voting Analysis:
Infrequent voters still using oxygen:
Dutch Guy (voted Caius in r3)
Sapi (voted Tran in r2)
Twilightblade (no votes? Though several posts)
Warmaster Horus (voted No Lynch in r1
Voting for the Innocent (Innocence confirmed by murder)
Voting for Discovery1:
Andres, Sigurd Note: both of these votes were in Round 1, traditionally the most “random”
None of the other murderees received a vote save for Crazed Rabbit:
Caius (posthumous vote, quickly changed)
If we believe Sasaki/Ichigo are innocent:
Caius (Sasaki - r1)
Destro (Sasaki – r1 & r3 [the last a change from Ichigo to Sasaki])
G’khaan (Sasaki – r3)
Pever’ (Sasaki – r3)
Roadkill (Sasaki - r3 [a change from Ichigo in r3])
Xdeath (Sasaki – r3)
Xeh2 (Sasaki – r1 & r3)
Those of you believing Hankerchief that Sasaki is scummy can note:
Disco, Kage, & Rdece were all murdered immediately after voting for either Sasaki or Ichigo.
Frame up or weeding the opposition?
Bah. I can vouch for both of them.
Damn:no: Well there you go all you whiners. You've found the other innocent in our ranks. Nag Nag Nag is that all you people do? Jesus Christ:wall: :wall:
Seamus Fermanagh
04-12-2007, 21:10
Damn:no: Well there you go all you whiners. You've found the other innocent in our ranks. Nag Nag Nag is that all you people do? Jesus Christ:wall: :wall:
:shocked2: Are you TRYING to get him killed?
:shocked2: Are you TRYING to get him killed?
Of course Seamus that's what I'm doing.
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It's night, you can't vote ~;)
Besides (always hate to quote myself) :
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Originally Posted by Kommodus
[font=Verdana]There will be a total of three Cosa Nuova operatives (Mafiosi).
Gah! To be 100 % sure, we need two investigated players to confirm Sasaki's and Ichigo's story.
And before getting upset about why innocents have to reveal themselves: thank Sasaki. Why did he have to allude on his "innocence" in round 1 already? Add to that his scummy, wikked, evasive "defence" and the fact that it is very weird that he picked you... How did he know that you were the other one who was investigated on night 2??? And the small detail that Kommodus posted nowhere in his rules that there even is a detective in this game (however it is very likely there actually is at least one).
So we need a fourth person to confirm the story (and he can hide his identity by confirming it to one of the murdered players).
Oh Snap Where'd It Go. I Don't Know!!!
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CountArach
04-12-2007, 22:04
lol @ Agent.
It's night, you can't vote ~;)
Besides (always hate to quote myself) :
And before getting upset about why innocents have to reveal themselves: thank Sasaki. Why did he have to allude on his "innocence" in round 1 already? Add to that his scummy, wikked, evasive "defence" and the fact that it is very weird that he picked you... How did he know that you were the other one who was investigated on night 2??? And the small detail that Kommodus posted nowhere in his rules that there even is a detective in this game (however it is very likely there actually is at least one).
So we need a fourth person to confirm the story (and he can hide his identity by confirming it to one of the murdered players).
Why would you want to reveal another innocent? We've already got three revealed.
Why would you want to reveal another innocent? We've already got three revealed.
Ichigo, Ichigo, Ichigo :no:
I bolded it and yet you didn't read it...
---> (and he can hide his identity by confirming it to one of the murdered players) = he pm's a murdered player just saying "Ichigo and Sasaki are telling the truth", the murdered player posts in the thread something like "I can confirm the declarations of Ichigo and Sasaki"... = the innocent doesn't need to reveal publicly/in the thread.
Clear?
Ichigo, Ichigo, Ichigo :no:
I bolded it and yet you didn't read it...
---> (and he can hide his identity by confirming it to one of the murdered players) = he pm's a murdered player just saying "Ichigo and Sasaki are telling the truth", the murdered player posts in the thread something like "I can confirm the declarations of Ichigo and Sasaki"... = the innocent doesn't need to reveal publicly/in the thread.
Clear?
Why don't you lynch the three players who claim to be innocent? You'll win the game for sure then!! :yes:
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I forgot to vote ~:(
Well, there goes my chances if I forget again :grin2:
pevergreen
04-13-2007, 02:22
Tut tut sapi.
Kommodus
04-13-2007, 05:28
Guys, just a quick note: some of the arguments lately have become a bit heated and personal. I just want to remind everyone to keep it cool and civil. Mafia is fun, but not when personal insults and attacks get into it.
pevergreen
04-13-2007, 13:18
:yes: Dont take anything personally guys. Its no fun then.
Guys, just a quick note: some of the arguments lately have become a bit heated and personal. I just want to remind everyone to keep it cool and civil. Mafia is fun, but not when personal insults and attacks get into it.
Easy for you to say, you're not the one living in fear of getting killed in a cruel way by some crazy mafiosi tonight :scared:
~;p
Lord Winter
04-13-2007, 14:37
I'm surprisd we're not asking the obvious question after the revel.
Is it fake?
So... Xdeathfire got lynched over Sasaki ?
IF I was cantankerous I could have pointed out the fact that Sasaki never unvoted Seamus before putting his vote on Xdeathfire. Hence the tie should still be standing. So if somebody really want Sasaki lynched they should break the tie... like right now.
Just to update my list of people that are in danger of WoG if not putting in votes for the rest of the game:
Dutch_guy
Sapi
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Also from this round:
CountA voted third on the Sasaki bandwagon and Andres third on the Xdeathfire bandwagon
So... Xdeathfire got lynched over Sasaki ?
IF I was cantankerous I could have pointed out the fact that Sasaki never unvoted Seamus before putting his vote on Xdeathfire. Hence the tie should still be standing. So if somebody really want Sasaki lynched they should break the tie... like right now.
Indeed, Sasaki didn't unvote first, so I guess Sigurd is right :yes:
In case Kommo agrees as well:
Unvote : Xdeathfire
Vote : Sasaki
Kommodus
04-13-2007, 17:08
Indeed, Sasaki didn't unvote first, so I guess Sigurd is right :yes:
In case Kommo agrees as well:
Unvote : Xdeathfire
Vote : Sasaki
I don't agree. A vote is a vote and the results will stand.
heh, why no results yet? Have the mafia forgotten to send them in?
Kommodus
04-13-2007, 21:34
Night 4
As the evening's shadows lengthened, a battered Toyota pick-up barreled along one of the back roads into Gisenyi, kicking up clouds of dust in its wake. Inside the cab, an unworldly duet was unfolding as the overblown strains of a Celine Dion power ballad blared out from the radio and mingled in less than close harmony with the atonal grunts of the truck's occupant, CountArach.
He hurried, as always, to get home from the copper mine where he worked as a foreman, desperate to rid himself of the day's layer of sweat and silt with a long cold shower. It was Friday, which meant a night of barbecued kid and cold Castle's at Keke's bar. In expectation of that weekly pleasure, he grabbed the quart bottle of local whisky from the passenger seat and took a long and appreciative slug.
As the vehicle rounded a corner, the headlights raced across the verdant jungle at the road’s edge, then aimed ahead as the road straightened out. As they did so, CountArach saw a black cow in front of him no more than 50 yards away. His right foot slammed on the brake pedal and his hands tightened their grip on the wheel as the nose of the truck dipped with the sudden exchange of momentum. The tires locked and ground along the rutted surface, and the truck slid to a halt with a relieved shudder. The cow raised its head and stared insolently at the driver.
CountArach swore, turned the engine off, got out off the cab, and walked up the cow. Its bloodshot eyes twitched in his direction. After a moment it seemed to come to the conclusion that CountArach was no particular threat, and took a couple of lazy steps to turn away from him.
CountArach noticed a dirty rope fashioned into a makeshift halter and fastened around the beast's mangy neck as uncomfortably as a lynch mob's noose. It took him several minutes of sweat- and curse-laden cajolery to move the truculent and intransigent beast off the road and tether it to a nearby tree. He returned to his truck and sat heavily down in the seat, taking a moment to calm himself and to contemplate the general idiocy of livestock – and, more particularly, of livestock owners. The quart of whisky on the passenger seat caught his eye; it looked almost full.
“Surely,” he thought to himself, “I've drunk more than that?” He smiled, however, and dismissed the notion by taking the bottle to his lips and drinking his fill. The heavy rasp of the potent brew warmed his throat, and the alcohol quickened his pulse as fast as the nanites began their deadly work.
With the crunch of stones under rubber and a snort of choking dust, the Toyota took off into the twilight, carrying its owner to an uncertain future. As the rear lights disappeared in the distance, a slender figure in a dark cowl trod lightly out of the roadside undergrowth, un-tethered the cow, and started to follow the road back into town.
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CountArach’s truck was not found until the following morning, wrapped around the trunk of a river bush-willow tree just outside of Gisenyi. The blood was dried where it had poured out from many gashes and lacerations on his head, arms, and chest. A smashed whisky bottle was also discovered on the crumpled floor of the vehicle, giving off an odor strong enough to cut through the stench of death.
As CountArach’s death was the only one that day and appeared to be an obvious accident, rumors began to circulate that the Cosa Nuova had at last been driven from town. Had the Gacaca rituals succeeded in bringing the guilty to justice?
There were three pieces of information that effectively disproved that optimistic theory. The first came about mid-morning when another rock message was discovered outside the government building. It read:
ALL THREE INNOCENT
This was, of course, disturbing news, if it proved to be true. Many had not been satisfied with the decisions handed down by the Gacaca assembly, and this message appeared to confirm their fears. They assumed it referred to the three individuals lynched so far.
The second bit of evidence that the threat of the Cosa Nuova was not eliminated came just after noon, when the medical examiner announced his findings concerning CountArach’s death. It appeared that he had been dead before the truck crashed – and there was no clear cause of death. The authorities were concluding that, like the other deaths, this was a case of murder.
The final event occurred just as a large group was gathering in mid-afternoon for the evening’s assembly. A man burst out of a nearby house, holding a hissing black mamba by the neck! The man was Ichigo. He was raving mad, cursing and howling insults at everyone and everything.
“You lunatics! You deranged vipers! Snakes, every last one of you! All you’ve done is murder one innocent after another, doing the Cosa Nuova’s work for them!” The people backed away from him nervously, keeping their distance from the deadly snake in Ichigo’s hand.
Ichigo simply laughed. “Are you afraid?” he cackled. “Well, you have nothing to fear from poor old Ichigo. You’ll never have to fear or distrust me again!” With that he moved the viper’s mouth to his exposed arm, allowing it to sink its fangs deeply into his flesh. After a few moments he dropped the snake and allowed it to slither away.
“Are you happy now?” Ichigo sneered, observing the shocked expressions on the faces of the crowd. “One more innocent man killed. Isn’t that what you wanted?” He suddenly began to twitch and fell to the ground, the effects of the neurotoxin already starting to take effect. “Why won’t they listen?” he slurred as his life ebbed away.
By the time mayor Rwigema arrived on the scene with some emergency medical personnel, Ichigo was unconscious and beyond help. He addressed the crowd gravely.
“My friends,” he said, “It’s clear we have not yet dealt with the threat of the Cosa Nuova. We will once again have to reconvene the Gacaca court. I urge everyone to participate. I and my staff have been working through the night, and we have a plan that may yet save the town.”
Status List
Murdered
BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Lynched
Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Suicide
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo
Died of Mysterious Causes
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Still Alive
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xehh II
Vote:Sasaki
I cant trust in you.
One player got murdered, another suicided.
So, the Cosa Nuova converted one of us...
It's starting to look bad. We can't afford any more WoG's. Time to force the lurkers to participate.
Vote : Twilightblade
Seamus Fermanagh
04-13-2007, 22:30
I agree with Andres.
Let's arrange a tie to that end.
Vote: Xehh
A tie can be tricky. The converted player is expandable for the Cosa Nuova and they can use him to break the tie and lynch a townie.
Damn you Kommodus :laugh4:
CountArach
04-13-2007, 23:19
Awww, hitting the booze guys - That's a low blow.
Crazed Rabbit
04-13-2007, 23:42
Lurkers?! Bah! Kill Sasaki, says I!
Oh, it appears the mafia scum got one for their side.
CR
Lurkers?! Bah! Kill Sasaki, says I!
Oh, it appears the mafia scum got one for their side.
CR
How do you know?
pevergreen
04-14-2007, 01:26
The one kill.
I believe Twilightblade is very suspicious. He has had no reason beyond that there is a few pages to read. That stops him posting?
Vote: Twilightblade
Vote: Sasaki
As per my reasons in the last day phase
Killfr3nzy
04-14-2007, 05:24
At risk of a lynching for being the third voter; Vote:Sasaki.
Vote count
Sasaki - 3 (Caius, sapi, Killfr3nzy)
Twilightblade - 2 (pever, Andres)
Xehh II - 1 (Seamus)
pevergreen
04-14-2007, 09:57
Guys, Sasaki is most likely innocent. But then again, the lurkers wont vote, and they will die. Not changing my vote though.
Warmaster Horus
04-14-2007, 10:13
Time for me to wake up. Better vote than get WOGed, especially now.
Like pevergreen says, better to kill a lurker than an active player.
So, Vote:Twilightblade.
Mind you, if a lurker starts participating now, it's not good for them, and they'll probably get lynched at the same time. Following that train of thoughts, it's not gonna look good for me.
Caius, sapi, Killfr3nzy, you do realize you're providing the Cosa Nuova plenty of opportunities to frame somebody, right? Should Sasaki die, you'll be accused, should one of you die, Sasaki will be accused.
I'm aware of that; but killing a lurker is a 99% chance of killing an innocent (show me one mafia who doesn't pay attention to their game) and Sasaki just hasn't been himself this game.
Not only has he been acting differently, breaking the tie last round was a bad idea.
If he truly wanted what was best for the town he would have allowed discussion even if he may have died from it, not voted for xdeathfire without comment.
Warmaster Horus
04-14-2007, 11:50
Well, if he can explain that I'll keep my vote, if he can't though...
Exactly.
And self preservation is not an excuse from a man who is usually a strong advocate of the 'greater good'
HughTower
04-14-2007, 12:33
Sasaki is definitely interested in self-preservation, but I'm still not convinced of his guilt. I believe that there are people out there who have the evidence we need to damn or to clear him.
Why are you now fighting his corner, pevergreen? A few pages back you'd concocted some convoluted reason why he was definitely Mafia. Your twists & turns, & your attempt to embroil others in PM shenanigans are starting to catch my eye. You were lynched through your attempts to be too clever in CdiT, & I'm getting a strong sense of deja vu. Feel free to allay my fears.
Re: lurkers. Lord knows, I love a lurker/non-voter, but if we're going to pick on one, surely we start should with pressure on Dutch_guy? He's very experienced, he's the consummate lurker, & his aptitude for this behaviour would have brought him Mafia victory in Mafia VI if GH hadn't made him vote. Quite frankly, he's scaring me.
Please can I ask a few more of you to join me a gentle bandwagon on Dutch_guy, just to coax him out from the comfort of his shell. :hide:
Vote:Dutch_guy
Vote count
Sasaki - 4 (Caius, sapi, Killfr3nzy, Xehh II)
Twilightblade - 3 (pever, Andres, Warmaster)
Xehh II - 1 (Seamus)
Dutch_guy - 1 (HughTower)
Sasaki is mostlikely innocent
I would like to vote Killfrenzy (or Caius) as they seemed most mafia-like, but I will bandwagon on Twilightblade, as that's the best vote for now
Vote: Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
04-14-2007, 12:54
Why is he the best vote? In your own words please. Bandwagoning is not that usefull, especially since there's now a tie between Twilightblade and Sasaki.
Why is he the best vote? In your own words please. Bandwagoning is not that usefull, especially since there's now a tie between Twilightblade and Sasaki.
Because I'm convinced Sasaki is more innocent then him.
At this point in the game you really have to lynch the suspicious, not just someone (as you do in round 1).
My vote is a simple bandwagon
Sides I like the tie, lets see what they do with it, both of them
Seamus Fermanagh
04-14-2007, 13:49
At Xehh:
I voted for you to provoke a response -- NOT to get another bald vote with nothing to show for it.
You do realize that failure to interact has been demonstrated in previous games as something that promotes mafia success?
Why are you so reluctant to participate?
So far we have Sasaki and 'blade under the spotlight. T'Blades "no lynch" in round three irked me, but I wouldn't expect something that oddball from a mafioso -- too easy to get dead for such. Sasaki always gathered attention, but unless he's arranged Ichi's suicide as part of an elaborate plot, I don't seem him showing up as mafia because of this.
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Perhaps neither is a good suspect?
Ichigo suicides? A noble act that clears his guilt and we should now look into the post that he retracted at our request.
To briefly paraphrase; The detective in Kommo’s game made a new account and contacted Ichigo because Ichigo was investigated and found clearly innocent.
Sasaki was also investigated but no clear result came of that investigation. This detective followed up with an explanation of his role. Apparently he only has a 50 % chance of getting a clear read in his investigations. Kommodus’ response to the Sasaki investigation was ambiguous at best.
Sasaki then proceeds to use this as an alibi.
There was an exchange of pms between Sasaki and Ichigo where Sasaki was the one to make the initial contact. We asked Ichigo about this and he gave an answer that involves another player. How did this other player know?
If Sasaki was mafia this other player should have been dead by now.
This 50% chance of revealing mafia gets me thinking. It is a weak role. The fact that the mafia are able to recruit makes this game very unbalanced if all we have is this detective as a pro town role.
Knowing Kommodus he will try to make a balanced game. I therefore conclude that there are other and perhaps more powerful roles.
Some of these roles should start to collaborate.
Use GH as a contact person.
Another thought strikes me: the recent games have resulted in a few background networks. It could be that Kommodus has put this in the equation for a balanced game and given the mafia more power than in any of the other games. Yet I can’t detect any such networking going on in this game.
The mafia apparently has grown and we stand before the task of lynching 4 mafia in the next 5 rounds. To me this is an impossible task unless the pro- town roles starts getting their hands dirty.
Share your information, collaborate. Otherwise this game is handed to the mafia.
I'd like to second that idea.
Some of these roles should start to collaborate.
If they're still alive
Seamus Fermanagh
04-14-2007, 15:46
If they're still alive
Oh fine! Why don't you just kick Sigurd in the unmentionables while you're at it.:wiseguy:
If all of the pro-townie roles are dead, this becomes nearly a lost cause -- so centering your efforts on that premise is a little pointless.
Sigurd's got the right of it.
pevergreen vouched for Ichigo. He's innocent.
I can confirm Sigurd's story and Ichigo's story.
I can also confirm that the investigated players know that they are investigated.
Both Ichigo, pevergreen and I got noticed that we told our investigator everything. The investigator didn't get information on Sasaki though, his investigation result revealed nothing on Sasaki neither guilt or innocence.
So, Sasaki is not above suspicion, but not proven guilty either. Maybe the detective can investigate him a second time? Or maybe another of the pro-town roles can provide us with an explanation for the odd result on Sasaki.
Right know, we need the lurkers to participate, to vote and to talk alot. One more WoG means game over for the town.
Dutch_guy
04-14-2007, 16:12
Sasaki - 4 (Caius, sapi, Killfr3nzy, Xehh II)
Twilightblade - 4 (, Stigpever, Andres, Warmaster)
Xehh II - 1 (Seamus)
Dutch_guy - 1 (HughTower)
So we're now trying to kill off the lurkers ourselves, lest they be killed by help from above - why is this ?
Obviously TB isn't responding, so what can us voting for him achieve the town in the end ?
The mafia apparently has grown and we stand before the task of lynching 4 mafia in the next 5 rounds. To me this is an impossible task unless the pro- town roles starts getting their hands dirty.
Share your information, collaborate. Otherwise this game is handed to the mafia
Quite right, the living pro town roles should somehow bundle their forces, but what if they contact the wrong people ?
The mafia can afford a loss right now, especially after the succesful conversion of last round, the town on the other hand cannot.
Please can I ask a few more of you to join me a gentle bandwagon on Dutch_guy, just to coax him out from the comfort of his shell.
No worries, I'm here.
Vote:Sasaki
I cant trust in you.
Interesting, so who can you trust then ?
Surely the right answer would be no one, unless you know more than we do.
Sounds to me like you want an easy reason to place a vote, at a popular target.
Vote: Caius.
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PS: we should be very careful with players like Seamus, Sasaki and other influential players. They'd personally be on the top of my list of people I'd wish to convert to my cause, where I a mafioso, and chances are the mafia think the same way.
:balloon2:
Quite right, the living pro town roles should somehow bundle their forces, but what if they contact the wrong people ?
They can contact the murdered players who are still showing intrest in this game, like Crazed Rabbit and GH. These players can guide the town with the information they got from the pro-town roles.
Unvote : Twilightblade
Vote : Xehh II
I didn't like the way you tried to look innocent in the beginning of the game ("oh no, the game already started? Why didn't I get a pm to notifiy me? I'm soooo innocent...") + I don't like the way how you vote without giving any reason or explanation whatsoever.
Warmaster Horus
04-14-2007, 18:04
Hey, uh, considering the fact that Sasaki's birthday was yesterday, and the fact that he hasn't been online since, perhaps we should give him time enough to defend himself properly. Because, suspicious though he may be, lynching him that way would be ... unfair or something.
Glad to know Dutch_guy's back with us.
And, this is only a suggestion, why not PM the lurkers? Just to, you know, remind them that we need their help now.
EDIT:
Use GH as a contact person. Sigurd, while I agree with that idea, and with the general motion that the townspeople should work together, what stops the Cosa Nuova operatives to follow suit? This is kind of like Stigs "If they're still alive", but the point of the Mafia is to kill everyone while posing as townies. They'd do the same probably.
Dutch_guy
04-14-2007, 18:57
And, this is only a suggestion, why not PM the lurkers? Just to, you know, remind them that we need their help now.
Could work, although it still doesn't help us if they don't come online at all. Also, for this to work I'd say let one of the murdered people do this - as they're the only ones we can truly trust.
:balloon2:
The townspeople do not need to execute all converted players to win – they must only execute the original Mafiosi. At this point the networked “grid” of human minds created by the Cosa Nuova will collapse, killing all attached “nodes.”
:bow:
seireikhaan
04-14-2007, 21:32
Vote: Caius Flaminus
You've been lurking/ semi-lurking all game long, and have rarely said much of consequence. Most of your votes have been with little or no reasoning at all. Give us some thoughts, please.
EDIT: Not that you haven't been voting most of the game, we just don't hear much from you. You've been after Sasaki for a while, but all you say is "he's scummy".
Kommodus
04-14-2007, 23:38
I am keeping voting open for another day.
*Switches to Jeff Probst voice* The game is going to change in a big way following this voting round. :eyebrows:
Vote: Caius Flaminus
You've been lurking/ semi-lurking all game long, and have rarely said much of consequence. Most of your votes have been with little or no reasoning at all. Give us some thoughts, please.
EDIT: Not that you haven't been voting most of the game, we just don't hear much from you. You've been after Sasaki for a while, but all you say is "he's scummy".
First, my name is Caius Flaminius, not Caius Flaminus nor Caisus Flaminius.
Second, I cant prove Sasaki is innocent.But you cant prove he is innocent.If yes, I want proof
Third, I admit Im semilurking in this game.Just I dont want to be very active.As far as I know.
More participarion=Always Being Lynched.
Everygame.
Thats why.I just dont want to be lynched.
seireikhaan
04-15-2007, 03:07
First of all, I offer my sincerest apologies for the name mix up, Caius.
Second of all, I never claimed Sasaki innocent without doubt. In fact, if you remember, I had voted for him last round. I don't expect you to prove him guilty without doubt either. I just wished for some reasoning on your part.
Lastly, in case you haven't noticed, we're having ourselves a little withhunt for lurkers, so I would advise posting a little more often, as lurking is likely to get you lynched at this point.
However, you still never still never gave any reasons to vote Sasaki. From my view, it still looks like you're just getting an easy bandwagon vote. Give a little more detail than "he can't be trusted" or "he's scummy" and I'll withdraw my vote.
Would someone care to explain to me the logic of lynching someone who will be dead next round anyway, if they don't vote?
Focus on the people who are alive - that's where the mafia are...
HughTower
04-15-2007, 10:08
So we're now trying to kill off the lurkers ourselves, lest they be killed by help from above - why is this ?
Obviously TB isn't responding, so what can us voting for him achieve the town in the end ?
and...
Would someone care to explain to me the logic of lynching someone who will be dead next round anyway, if they don't vote?
The reason why is because the shadows are a good place to hide if you're Mafia. Voting leaves a trail of evidence that is useful for the town's analysis. We cannot predict if they'll or won't miss another vote. From what I know of Dutch & Caius, they are unlikely to get themselves WOG'd for not voting; Twilight Blade, on the other hand, is new & I cannot say.
Focus on the people who are alive - that's where the mafia are...
Wise words, wise words indeed.:beam:
Sounds to me like you want an easy reason to place a vote, at a popular target.
Vote: Caius.
And Caius is not a popular target? As he says himself, he get lynched almost every game he plays. I think you can be accused of coming out of your shell & taking pot-shots at easy targets too.
The reason why is because the shadows are a good place to hide if you're Mafia. Voting leaves a trail of evidence that is useful for the town's analysis. We cannot predict if they'll or won't miss another vote. From what I know of Dutch & Caius, they are unlikely to get themselves WOG'd for not voting; Twilight Blade, on the other hand, is new & I cannot say.And if they magically appear at the end of this voting phase to save their own skins than I'll heartily agree with you.
Until then, though, we should be focusing on getting someone who is here involved in discussion.
Warmaster Horus
04-15-2007, 11:44
Ah, you're right. Far as I know, Twilightblade hasn't posted since his entry post here. Might however be a tactic, but until next turn - Unvote. Still need to get Sasaki to explain a few things though.
Dutch_guy
04-15-2007, 16:49
And Caius is not a popular target?
No, in comparison to Sasaki Caius is not a popular target.
I think you can be accused of coming out of your shell & taking pot-shots at easy targets too.
Yes, I daresay I could and should - accusations do tend to promote discussion, and that's something we desperately need to get going.
However, I could have also jumped on the Twilightblade bandwagon. I daresay that would have been easier to do than vote for someone who hasn't been under fire yet - this game.
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-15-2007, 20:04
Ties promote discussion only when they give us an extra day.
As for knowing Ichigo was investigated: OPSEC like I said before. You're all on a need to know basis.
I think I'm going to switch my vote to Caius. I wanted to vote him, but I'm pretty sure that Sasaki is innocent, so I vote Twilight purely to create a tie, now that's gone my vote has no real use.
So:
Vote: Caius, same reason as DG
This voting round has lasted for 48 hours now, and in that time, we only have 45 posts...
Bah :no:
Way to go town, offering the mafia their victory on a silver plate :thumbsdown:
Dutch_guy
04-15-2007, 22:33
This voting round has lasted for 48 hours now, and in that time, we only have 45 posts...
Bah :no:
Way to go town, offering the mafia their victory on a silver plate :thumbsdown:
What are your views on the game, as it is ?
:balloon2:
What are your views on the game, as it is ?
:balloon2:
I have posted alot already. But I'll play along.
Still alive:
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xehh II
I got investigated as well and therefore I can vouch for pevergreen. Sasaki got a different pm than pever and me. Therefore he isn't proven innocent. On the other hand, he hasn't been proven guilty either. Remember, even if pever or myself get converted later on, we aren't the ones to be lynched: the town needs to lynch the 3 original Cosa Nuova.
Anyway, that leaves us with:
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xehh II
15 players left. 3 Cosa Nuova = 1/5 to lynch the right one.
Four of those players are in danger of getting WoG'ed because they didn't vote in 2 rounds: Dutch_Guy, TwilightBlade, Sapi and Warmaster_Horus. Dutch_Guy and Warmaster_Horus seem to participate again. Sapi idem dito. TwilightBlade hasn't posted in this round. If it weren't for Kommodus making this round longer, TB would have been WoG'ed now. So I'll take it he's innocent (otherwise he would have quickly cast a vote like he did in the previous round, just to avoid getting WoG'ed.
14 left:
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
Warmaster Horus
Xehh II
greaterkhaan has been under pressure last round. Now that the heat is off, he didn't restrain from participating. He gets the benefit of the doubt. I also believe Sigurd is innocent. No real evidence whatsoever for that though, just a feeling based on his general posting style thus far.
12 left:
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
HughTower
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stig
Warmaster Horus
Xehh II
Killf3nzy voted Sasaki without giving any reason. Same goes for Xeh II. Seamus is itching me as well. He has been analyzing throughout the whole game, but never really made any real conclusions. He doesn't take a real position. Maybe it is his usual style, but I don't like it. Caius has been acting weird as well. On the other hand, it's not the first time the town thought him to be guilty when he wasn't.
I'll go with Xehh II, Seamus and Sasaki or Caius as mafia for now, with Xehh as my prime suspect for the same reasons I gave before.
Maybe it's time for the pro-town role to start networking and using the murdered and still participating players to guide the town. The more players we are sure off, the more chance of lynching the right one.
pevergreen
04-15-2007, 23:13
Well, as for my accusation of Sasaki a while back, I mistook my investigation PM as a conversion PM. The conversation between us that i posted was real.
As for background networks, apparently the pro-town network is somehow connected...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-15-2007, 23:18
I got investigated as well and therefore I can vouch for pevergreen. Sasaki got a different pm than pever and me. Therefore he isn't proven innocent.
I got same as you. The hyphenated word thing just caused a mix up.
I'd look at the people who jumped on my wagon after the kill last night.
caius
sapi
killfrenzy
xehh
I'll Vote:Xehh (he also had that first round thing I was suspicious of him for) with a big Fos:Seamus. Why did you vote for Xehh?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-15-2007, 23:19
Well, as for my accusation of Sasaki a while back, I mistook my investigation PM as a conversion PM.
:laugh4:
Seamus Fermanagh
04-15-2007, 23:31
I'll Vote:Xehh (he also had that first round thing I was suspicious of him for) with a big Fos:Seamus. Why did you vote for Xehh?
As I noted in discussion above, he's got a tendency to simply vote without support -- always frustrating. I named him as a pressure vote -- first to do so this round -- and all he did was lodge another bald vote.:dizzy:
Andres did a nice listing above. T-blade's virtual absence does seem to narrow it to 14, or even further to 13 if we accept that you, Sasaki, are innocent along with Andres and pevergreen.
The premise of all of your innnocent status seems to be linked to investigation PM's. Yours has been labeled different, but you have countered that that is a mis-communication. Correct?
Nevermind, that didn't make any sense.
Interesting scenario:
Andres, Pever and Sasaki vouching for eachother
3 mafia
heheh
Are you deliberately not responding to accusations?
Nevermind, that didn't make any sense.
Interesting scenario:
Andres, Pever and Sasaki vouching for eachother
3 mafia
heheh
It didn't make any sense because Seamus answered why he voted Xehh II. That doesn't mean he's off my suspect list for now.
Oh, and I didn't vouch for Sasaki. In fact, in my analyzing post #828 I named him as possible mafioso.
Did you deliberately not read that to make some cheap accusation?
It's a cheap accusation yes, but you are damned high on my suspect list
It's a cheap accusation yes, but you are damned high on my suspect list
I'm honored :bow: :laugh4:
It's a cheap accusation yes, but you are damned high on my suspect list
And why is that, besides said cheap accusation?
Seamus Fermanagh
04-16-2007, 00:57
And why is that, besides said cheap accusation?
Yeah, that's one I'd like to hear as well. Andres here hasn't twigged a thing for me. His votes (mostly pressures) make sense and he's trying to anlayze the data and build some possibilities. All-in-all, not "scummy" to my read.
I'd like another round of votes to analyze too -- 3 is barely enough for a good start -- but this one is just lethargic, as you noted above.
Twilightblade
04-16-2007, 01:37
i seem to have missed another voting session this bodes ill for me
Oh, and just remember guys - 3 people vouching for you is not enough to prove you innocent.
At this stage you need 5 (no, seriously) as with 4 you'd just have all the CN + the conversion from last round
Twilightblade
04-16-2007, 01:53
then again i may have not...
sorry for lurking but i only log on once a day and sometimes not even that
Vote: Pevergreen
because i don't think he'll be lynched and i need to vote
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 02:15
Oh, and just remember guys - 3 people vouching for you is not enough to prove you innocent.
At this stage you need 5 (no, seriously) as with 4 you'd just have all the CN + the conversion from last round
This makes you look suspicious. Ichigo was vouching and he just suicided.
This makes you look suspicious. Ichigo was vouching and he just suicided.
~;)
I was replying to Stig's comment about Andres, Pever and Sasaki vouching for eachother...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 05:21
I was replying to Stig's comment about Andres, Pever and Sasaki vouching for eachother...
Yeah, but ichigo vouches for us so this comment doesn't follow at all :smash:
Andres here hasn't twigged a thing for me.
That's exactly it ... first of he plays this game different from all his others.
Next to that he did quite a few cheap bandwagons (ok I do too, but then I can be on your list).
And remember that vouching doesn't mean a thing. I vouched for Alex in Midgard, and was quilty as hell.
because i don't think he'll be lynched and i need to vote
Isn't that even more cheap than my accusations?
Isn't that even more cheap than my accusations?
It is. However, TB didn't participate in this game for more than 48 hours. With his voting record (not voting for 2 rounds), he would have been WoG'ed. A mafioso would have voted within 24 hours to disappear in the shadows once again afterwards, not within 48...
Why do you people not like me voting for Sasaki? What is wrong with voting for him?
Why do you people not like me voting for Sasaki? What is wrong with voting for him?
We don't like you voting for Sasaki (or any other player for that matter) without giving any reason...
Read the thread. You'll find elements that plead in favour of Sasaki and make people believe he is confirmed innocent, there are elements that plead against him and make people believe he is not proven innocent. After analyzing those elements and Sasaki's statements throughout the thread, what makes you think he is one of the three original Cosa Nuova? Why do you think he is guilty?
In addition to that: what do you think of the game this far? Who do you think are our 3 Cosa Nuova's?
Well I'm going to continue to vote for him until someone gives me a reason to vote for someone else.
Well I'm going to continue to vote for him until someone gives me a reason to vote for someone else.
Why didn't you answer any of my questions?
I don't have a reason for voting for him but I don't have a reason for not voting for him.
I don't have a reason for voting for him but I don't have a reason for not voting for him.
~:confused:
Are you mocking me? :inquisitive:
No, just being exceedingly suspicious :inquisitive:
Why would I mock you?:sweatdrop:
Why would I mock you?:sweatdrop:
Please, stop evading my questions:
1. What makes you think Sasaki is one of the three original Cosa Nuova? Why do you think he is guilty?
2. What do you think of the game this far? Who do you think are our 3 Cosa Nuova's?
OOC: Coasanuova's. Am I the only one who noticed that? Ok, that was a bad one... :creep:
1. What makes you think Sasaki is one of the three original Cosa Nuova? Why do you think he is guilty? I have no Idea, I just vote for him.
2. What do you think of the game this far? Who do you think are our 3 Cosa Nuova's? I don't know who the mafia are.
I have no Idea, I just vote for him.
I don't know who the mafia are.
If those are your final answers, I suggest you start practicising swinging on a rope... :hanged:
:inquisitive:
That's just given everyone a lot of faith in your logic.
You could have at least picked up on and copied my (or anyone else who voted for sasaki) logic to add some degree of respectibility.
Not good; but Sasaki must die first :grin2:
Sasaki - give me one decent defense and I'll switch my vote to Xehh
Anyone got a vote tally?
I'm not changing my vote if it causes a lurker to be lynched; it would be a waste
Well I'm going to continue to vote for him until someone gives me a reason to vote for someone else.
I don't have a reason for voting for him but I don't have a reason for not voting for him.
Unvote: whoever it was
Vote: Xehh II
Do I need to give a reason?
Stig; focus on the real target (ie. (imo) Sasaki), not someone who is ambiguous.
Your vote won't do much for him at this late stage but could avert the death of a lurker (yes, i am a bit obsessed on that point)
We can deal with Xehh next round
We can deal with Xehh next round
Can we?
Sides Sasaki still has the most votes afaik
Hmm - we really need a tally.
My thoughts are that we should deal with the known problem first; for all we know Xehh could be the conversion and could be playing as he is to divert the votes from the real mafia...
This makes you look suspicious. Ichigo was vouching and he just suicided.
If this is your only defence Sasaki, I'll have to vote for you.
vote:Sasaki
Ichigo told us why he thought you were innocent but there are far to many descrepancies in this explanation to be using it as hard evidence of innocence.
Vote tally:
Sasaki : 5 (Caius, sapi, Killfr3nzy, Xehh II, Sigurd)
Xehh II: 4 (Seamus, Andres, Sasaki, Stig)
Caius: 2 (Dutch_Guy, GreaterKhaan)
TB: 1 (pevergreen)
Dutch_Guy (HughTower)
Note: Sigurd broke the tie between Xehh II and Sasaki.
WoG alert!: Warmaster_Horus unvoted but didn't vote for anyone else. To avoid getting WoG'ed you need to vote!
This just came up in me:
In the first 24 hours, the following went after Sasaki:
Caius, Sapi, Kill, Xehh.
And these went after Twilight:
Stig, Pever, Warmaster, Andres.
Sasaki didn't vote.
We also know that Pever and Andres are vouching for eachother, without being able to show real prove.
And that Andres plays this game different from other games.
Here a tie should have been created and someone would have broken it, however Kommo extended voting and this has helped the town.
We now know that Andres jumped out of his role, would he really have thought Twilight was suspicious he wouldn't have changed. He only now comes with the fact that Xehh's vote was suspicious, while he could do that ages ago. And something similiar has happened before.
Unvote: Xehh II
Vote: Andres
Sasaki - 5 (Caius, sapi, Killfr3nzy, Xehh II, Sigurd)
Twilightblade - 2 (pever, Warmaster)
Xehh II - 1 (Seamus)
Dutch_guy - 1 (HughTower)
Caius - 2 (DG, Khaan)
Xehh II - 3 (Andres, Sasaki, Seamus)
Pever - 1 (Twilight)
Andres - 1 (Stig)
We now know that Andres jumped out of his role, would he really have thought Twilight was suspicious he wouldn't have changed. He only now comes with the fact that Xehh's vote was suspicious, while he could do that ages ago. And something similiar has happened before.
What role exactly are you talking about?
I voted Twilight because he seemed to cautiously avoid getting WoG'ed. Since he didn't vote for more than 48 hours, he would have get WoG'ed. That's why I unvoted him: by not posting/voting in here for 48 hours, he should have gotten WoG'ed, the only reason that didn't happen, is because Kommo hasn't shown up yet. Thus I conclude TB is innocent.
And you should reread the thread. It's not the first time I voted Xehh II.
Are you converted Stig? Trying to draw attention away from the true mafiosi? Making an unusual long post, in the process drawing away attention from the fact that by unvoting Xehh II you are making sure his skin is saved (since Sasaki is now two votes ahead ...)?
Edit: Oh, pever vouched for Sasaki and Ichigo, not for me. I vouched for Ichigo and Pever, not for Sasaki.
Are you converted Stig? Trying to draw attention away from the true mafiosi? Making an unusual long post, in the process drawing away attention from the fact that by unvoting Xehh II you are making sure his skin is saved (since Sasaki is now two votes ahead ...)?
Countering accusations with accusations, is that the best you can do? And Xehh would be save anyway, even if I would not unvote him.
I voted Twilight because he seemed to cautiously avoid getting WoG'ed. Since he didn't vote for more than 48 hours, he would have get WoG'ed. That's why I unvoted him
So let me get this straight:
You vote Twilight, because you think he's suspicious
Then you unvote him because he would have been WoGed.
But he hasn't.
BTW, I've been wondering about this:
To prevent players from “lurking” and not participating in the discussion, anyone who does not vote for three rounds in a row, or a total of five rounds throughout the game, will be eliminated. This is actually quite lenient, so don’t worry about short absences you are required to take – just let me know in advance.
Says nothing about 3 in total
So... Xdeathfire got lynched over Sasaki ?
IF I was cantankerous I could have pointed out the fact that Sasaki never unvoted Seamus before putting his vote on Xdeathfire. Hence the tie should still be standing. So if somebody really want Sasaki lynched they should break the tie... like right now.
Just to update my list of people that are in danger of WoG if not putting in votes for the rest of the game:
Dutch_guy
Sapi
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Also from this round:
CountA voted third on the Sasaki bandwagon and Andres third on the Xdeathfire bandwagon
Bah, I misunderstood Sigurd's post.
You're right, I'm wrong. :embarassed: :sorry:
Gah.
But I stick to my vote for Xehh II. People are voting Sasaki for his louzy defense, but Xehh II did even worse...
And Xehh would be save anyway, even if I would not unvote him.
I disagree.
@Andres - yes, but Xehh is inexperienced. Sasaki is not.
@Andres - yes, but Xehh is inexperienced. Sasaki is not.
Inexperienced or not, that doesn't mean a) he is a priori innocent ; b) he cannot read the thread and give some decent argumentation.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 14:05
If this is your only defence Sasaki, I'll have to vote for you.
vote:Sasaki
Ichigo told us why he thought you were innocent but there are far to many descrepancies in this explanation to be using it as hard evidence of innocence.
Defence against what exactly? People are just voting me on carry over.
Defence against what exactly? People are just voting me on carry over.
Any thoughts on the recent developpements in the thread thus far?
seireikhaan
04-16-2007, 15:16
@Andres - yes, but Xehh is inexperienced. Sasaki is not.
Bah, I don't buy that argument. This is my first mafia game, yet I still do my best to explain my arguments. Its not that difficult of a concept.
My supsicions for mafiosi so far:
1) Dutch Guy- Been lurking most of the game, only to vote when in danger of WoG. Gave a good explanation of his vote, but has since disappeared completely, no contribution to discussion at all.
2) Caius- Again, lurking, semi-lurking the whole game, but not enough to garner a lot of attention to himself. Has been mostly under the radar the whole game, and hasn't contributed much to discussion.
3) Xehh, though I have a stronger suspicion that he's the convert for the mafia instead. No explanations for his votes. Most often, comes, votes, and is gone until the next round, with no discussion or explanation.
Comments?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 16:05
Any thoughts on the recent developpements in the thread thus far?
no.
no.
Is this game boring you :inquisitive: ?
Warmaster Horus
04-16-2007, 16:56
I said a few days ago that I would change my vote to Sasaki if he didn't provide a decent defence of himself, or at least explain his self-preservation act. It's been a couple of days now, and he didn't say much good, so Vote:Sasaki Kojiro. If anything succeeds in saving him from death it'll be nothing short of a miracle.
PS: thanks Andre for reminding me of that.
EDIT: apparently it is boring him, but there's not much else to do when you're sure to be lynched.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 17:08
I said a few days ago that I would change my vote to Sasaki if he didn't provide a decent defence of himself, or at least explain his self-preservation act..
I did.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 17:23
Post 151 Sasaki FoS's me for going after Caius with the invisibility issue. Nevermind the fact that I have profile-watched many times before, most notably in Cosa Nuova I.
Caius has used invisibility for several games. Lot's of innocents use it. It is therefore mildly suspicious to call someone on it, regardless of whether you've profile watched. In fact it has nothing to do with whether you've profile watched. I didn't want to give a reason because I only know he's been using invisibility because I'm a mod.
Implying that he was aware of this before, therefore he wouldn't remove me first in fear that I would play with a vengeance.
It doesn't imply that. I've killed you night one before.
Since he had gone after me more than usual in the pre-Night One phase, combined with the fact that I was attempted to be recruited first and the fact that he subtly distanced himself from my kill, I believe that his initial persecution of me was a set-up and an alibi, and he had planned to recruit me from early on. Unfortunately, this plan failed.
How can you plan to recruit someone when you don't know who the strong minded townies are? How would that set up an alibi? This doesn't make sense.
Now, I admit that starting small, weak bandwagons have always been part of his strategy, but this is not a small, weak bandwagon. He wants Warluster lynched, plain and simple.
We went over this. I've always been a fan of pushing someone hard. You'll never lynch mafia without a wagon. If you look at any of the games I do this.
Four days later and we're still waiting. Obviously a stalling tactic to stay alive. Much like TV shows promising resolutions to cliffhangers if viewers keep watching.
Yeah.
I was unwilling to provide the proof of my innocence because it reveals to the mafia all the people who have been investigated. I was not aware that the result was inconclusive.
Convenient that there are plenty of other lurkers around but he FoS's the one that happens to vote for him.
Convenient how? Are these other lurkers the same that have been WoG'd? Again this is normal behavior for me.
Also in that post was a link directing me to the Wikipedia article entitled "Burden of Proof," implying that I needed proof when accusing someone.
I think the parallels between real life law and mafia law stop when people are brought to justice by an angry lynch mob and not a professional team of law enforcement officials.
You were referencing past posts and not bothering to look them up.
So where is the evidence of my guilt? There isn't any. My method of defense or lack of defense or whatever you want to call it isn't evidence of guilt. Compare to my defense in Capo.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 17:25
As for breaking the tie, may I point out that the last time we had a "next vote breaks the tie" situation someone quickly broke it and I was lynched. It's always better to lynch a possibel mafia than someone you know is innocent. Most of the people saying I should have gone for more discussion aren't creating discussion themselves.
Warmaster Horus
04-16-2007, 17:25
Excuse me if I missed something then, but what was it? "Ties promote discussion only when they give us an extra day." Was it that?
If you had, indeed, defended yourself correctly, then what would you be doing with 6 votes on you?
EDIT: arrgg, should have come up before your post. Nevermind.
"A confirmed Mafia" you say. How do you know he was a confirmed mafioso?
"Someone you know is innocent" you say. Of course you'd say that. Except we don't really have any proof of your innocence.
Yeah.
I was unwilling to provide the proof of my innocence because it reveals to the mafia all the people who have been investigated. I was not aware that the result was inconclusive.
I'm just guessing here, but maybe the result of the detective being inconclusive means you are a strong-minded townie...
Even if Sasaki got converted last night (which I doubt, I think the mafia prefers to let him live, since he draws votes to him), converted townies are not our primary targets.
Also, Warmaster_Horus, now that you are here and participating, what are your thoughts on Xehh II and in particular on the conversation with him earlier on the day.
Warmaster Horus
04-16-2007, 17:38
Xehn II is annoying, disturbing us and needs to be removed by the end of next turn (1 night and 1 day). With luck, the Mafia will do us a favor tonight.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 17:46
I said a few days ago that I would change my vote to Sasaki if he didn't provide a decent defence of himself, or at least explain his self-preservation act. It's been a couple of days now, and he didn't say much good, so Vote:Sasaki Kojiro.
Well now, was this true Warmaster? This was your reason for voting me right?
Xehn II is annoying, disturbing us and needs to be removed by the end of next turn (1 night and 1 day). With luck, the Mafia will do us a favor tonight.
So, in fact you believe Xehh II is an innocent townie. Annoying, disturbing, unhelpful etc, but still a townie.
Then why is it you want to see him removed?
The mafiosi need to die, not the townies.
Warmaster Horus
04-16-2007, 17:52
I don't see what's wrong. I found your answer unsatisfactory and kept true to my word.
Say, what did you edit from you post which answered for your untie?
EDIT, answer: the Mafiosi need to die. But, they aren't dead yet. Should Xehn be a townsperson, he'll hopefully die. If he isn't, then suspicions will remain high against him.
Why do I want him removed? Because such unhelpfulness can cause us to miss a lynch. He might be a townie, unhelpful and stuff, but he'd still be a townie. And, if we lynch him, we may lose a lynch opportunity. Remember Lemur? Same case here I'd say.
Of course, there's still the possibility that he's a mafioso. If he was, he played carefully at the start, so why would he be careless now?
no.
Than what's the use of still having you here?
bye, pity I won't need to vote for you
Than what's the use of still having you here?
The fact that he is probably not one of the 3 original Cosa Nuova...?
The fact that he is probably not one of the 3 original Cosa Nuova...?
Well he isn't helping us, and we don't know for sure who is mafia, we only have suspicions. Killing an unhelpfull townie is a good idea in that case.
Sides why is he now probably no mafia? What changed your opinion?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 19:36
I don't see what's wrong. I found your answer unsatisfactory and kept true to my word.
Say, what did you edit from you post which answered for your untie?
Changed confirmed to possible.
This is the part where you say what was unsatisfactory, because there isn't actually a case against me.
Ok. It seem that most people don't like me here, I think I need to explain.
1. I don't make arguments because I'm not good at making them and they would be stupid.
2. I don't defend myself because I am stupid and can't do that properly, if I did try to defend myself most of you(apart from the mafia) would think i'm even more guilty.
3. And I don't get into discussions is both of the above.
Kagemusha
04-16-2007, 20:12
While im dead.I must wonder what was the reason behind Ichigo´s suicide? Becouse of the brake i have had i dont know all the players,but some reason Warmaster Horus stands out from the crowd with his continuos assault against Sasaki and also Xehh II. Other then that,i find this game pretty confusing,since it seems most of the players are just repeating mafia game mantras and the conversation seems very shallow, even Sasaki seems pretty distant and i havent seen much of his usual pittbull tactics.:inquisitive:
Well he isn't helping us, and we don't know for sure who is mafia, we only have suspicions. Killing an unhelpfull townie is a good idea in that case.
I don't agree. Killing a townie is always bad.
Sides why is he now probably no mafia? What changed your opinion?
I am pretty sure he received the exact same pm I received after being investigated. This combined with the early reveal/confirmation by Ichigo, makes me think Sasaki started the game as an innocent townie. The "probably" is because he might have been converted last night, allthough I tend to believe the mafia didn't want to risk killing him since he draws votes and will get lynched soon. Any experienced mafia player at the Org prefers a lynched Sasaki over a murdered one.
Ok. It seem that most people don't like me here
First of all, nothing in here is personal, it's all "in character", so please don't feel insulted. :bow: Never forget: it's a game and the continuous inquisition-like questioning is normal. It's the equivalent of "welcome to .Org mafia games :laugh4:
I think I need to explain.
1. I don't make arguments because I'm not good at making them and they would be stupid.
2. I don't defend myself because I am stupid and can't do that properly, if I did try to defend myself most of you(apart from the mafia) would think i'm even more guilty.
3. And I don't get into discussions is both of the above.
Allthough such modesty is always appreciated in real life and will earn you some sympathy, it itches me when used as an excuse in mafia games.
So, let go the modesty, quit avoiding to give straight answers to simple enough questions and you might find yourself less a target...
So: why did you vote Sasaki? What are your insights in this game. Is there any other player who is suspicious in your opinion?
It's not that difficult. Come on, answer the questions :whip:
HughTower
04-16-2007, 21:27
As for breaking the tie, may I point out that the last time we had a "next vote breaks the tie" situation someone quickly broke it and I was lynched.
Actually the last time that happened was in this game - and it was Stig riding to your rescue to save you from a lynching. See 309. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1492025&postcount=309)
But now.....
Well he {Sasaki} isn't helping us, and we don't know for sure who is mafia, we only have suspicions. Killing an unhelpfull townie is a good idea in that case.
Sides why is he now probably no mafia? What changed your opinion?
...we see how the worm has turned in just a few days of mutual distrust & recrimination.
I've got a new theory about Sasaki: the more innocent he appears the more likely he is to be guilty, the more guilty the more likely he is to be innocent.
One thing is certain though - he's only got himself to blame for his lynching.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 21:32
One thing is certain though - he's only got himself to blame for his lynching.
Nonsense, you should all trust me implicitly.
Allthough such modesty is always appreciated in real life and will earn you some sympathy, it itches me when used as an excuse in mafia games.
So, let go the modesty, quit avoiding to give straight answers to simple enough questions and you might find yourself less a target...
So: why did you vote Sasaki? What are your insights in this game. Is there any other player who is suspicious in your opinion?
It's not that difficult. Come on, answer the questions :whip:
The reason I vote Sasaki is because at the start of the game I asked why I didn't get a pm, not many people wanted to help me, he wanted to help the least and at one point calling me me stupid(I think) I later found out the town people don't get messages then everyone thought I was an idiot.
I don't have any insights in the game to be honest most of the time the people say nothing worth reading so I don't read whats happening because I can't be be stuffed filtering out the random stuff people say.
I think you are suspicious because you won't leave me alone.:furious3:
Warmaster Horus
04-16-2007, 22:39
While im dead.I must wonder what was the reason behind Ichigo´s suicide? Becouse of the brake i have had i dont know all the players,but some reason Warmaster Horus stands out from the crowd with his continuos assault against Sasaki and also Xehh II. Other then that,i find this game pretty confusing,since it seems most of the players are just repeating mafia game mantras and the conversation seems very shallow, even Sasaki seems pretty distant and i havent seen much of his usual pittbull tactics.
I stand out of the crowd because of "repeated assaults against SK?" Just wanting to know why he broke the tie, and asking him to explain himself is suspicious now? Anyway, it doesn't seem to make much difference now. I may stand out, but I wasn't the first to vote against him.
I didn't want to ask, because I feared I might have missed it, and thought of checking the thread again tomorrow, but after Kage's post, I will: why did Ichigo commit suicide? He didn't seem particularly unhappy.
Xehn II, I was the same as you until very recently. At first I thought "Why bother posting? What you'll say is stupid, and very useless." But, after a couple of Mafia games that changed.
The reason I vote Sasaki is because at the start of the game I asked why I didn't get a pm, not many people wanted to help me, he wanted to help the least and at one point calling me me stupid(I think) I later found out the town people don't get messages then everyone thought I was an idiot.
I believe he said that because Kommodus said it himself:
If you didn't get a PM, you are a normal villager. However, remember that you may be a "strong-minded" villager, one that can be recruited by the Cosa Nuova.
Next, you say:
I don't have any insights in the game to be honest most of the time the people say nothing worth reading so I don't read whats happening because I can't be be stuffed filtering out the random stuff people say.
This is a bit less excusable. You signed up for this Mafia game, so logically you're supposed to keep up with it. And to have a minimal interest. Of course, you can always abandon and commit suicide. But that seems a bit extreme.
And finally:
I think you are suspicious because you won't leave me alone.
He's only trying to get the town to win (or is he?). To do that, the players must engage in the most discussion possible, and they ought to share their knowledge. Or at least what they think. When he asks you questions, he's trying to help you (explain why you said this, so you won't be suspicious, and won't get killed)
My advice to you is to join one of the mini-mafias. There you'll be able to play relatively quickly, and you'll get to "feel" mafia at the Org. (I'll stop the relative OOC-ness here)
Does anyone know how Holmes works?
I would really like to know what it would say
Does anyone know how Holmes works?
I would really like to know what it would say
Its a program compiled in C
Its a program compiled in C
And C is?
A languaje of programming.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2007, 22:58
A languaje of programming.
And a language of programming is?
And a language of programming is?
A languaje which is understandainable(sp?) for the computers
Seamus Fermanagh
04-16-2007, 23:58
Thanks Xeh.
This took a while for my pressure vote to get a proper response.
You are now trying to explain yourself and allowing us to develop a "feel" for you as a player. That was the whole point of my vote.
Unvote: XehhII
I don't enjoy Sasaki's play as much when events (RL or a partic thread) put him in this verbal mood. Because of that mood/tone, however, and its consistency, I have a hard time believing him to be a CN. It strikes me that he would be just a bit more engaged. I suppose a convert status might fit, but even that....
My other vote recipient, Caius, still is lurking for the most part, but has at least openly acknowledged that to be the case and is holding to that pattern. This deserves watching, but not a vote, at least not yet.
Stig, you've managed to vote for 10 individuals and a slate of lurkers with zero repeated names (except from the laundry list) during 4 rounds of voting -- throwing around a lot of blame without much in the way of a consistent theme. You are the most active I've ever seen you in post count and aggressive posting style -- at least since your Jotun days. Your making me think you have a role, and I'm suspecting that role is not pro-town.
Vote: Stig
Note: I try to vote either as "pressure" or where I am 75% convinced that the target is playing us false. I acknowledge that this vote is closer to 50/50. What say you Stiggy?
Kommodus
04-17-2007, 05:31
Day 4
A tight knot of people stood clustered near one of the many torches that had been set up to light the dwindling assembly, their faces stony and their ranks closed like Roman legion. From the beginning many of the people of Gisenyi had aimed their barbs at one particular individual. This night, their will would not be denied.
A significant minority had tried in vain to sway the steadfast minds of the majority, but as the evening wore on the unavoidable outcome drew inexorably closer. The answer was always the same: “He simply can’t be trusted,” they said. “This step will be necessary sooner or later.” At last Rwigema called an end to the proceedings.
“Very well,” he said heavily. “The community has spoken, and we must trust its judgment. Bring the accused forward.”
There were shouts from every part of the crowd – some of approval or relief, others of bitterness and anger. The tight group of villagers rushed to seize a man and pushed, dragged, and kicked him into the center of the circle. Rwigema found himself standing face-to-face with a bruised, bloody Sasaki Kojiro.
Sasaki’s attitude had wavered between earnest self-defense, defiance, and acceptance throughout the course of the trial. Now, however, he seemed merely confused. “Et tu, Sasaki?” he mused in a broken voice, gazing at the empty space slightly to the left of Rwigema.
The mayor had just drawn his small pistol to end Sasaki’s life, when he was again interrupted by the man’s accusers. Several of them gathered about him, and together they began speaking in hushed tones. At first the mayor looked hesitant, but eventually he nodded grimly.
“Countrymen,” he announced, “It has been suggested to me that it is time to send a clear message to our enemies. They have cruelly attacked and murdered many of our people, and we will show them that we can respond in kind!”
With that, the group of accusers dispersed, and each seized a torch out of the ground. The poles upon which they were mounted were very sharp, a property which enabled them to be easily thrust into the ground. Now they would be used for a different purpose.
A compliant Sasaki Kojiro was held down firmly on his back by his arms and legs. A very large and strong man raised one of the poles and, with one great thrust, drove it straight into Sasaki’s stomach and into the earth. The impaled man screamed in agony, but was not yet dead.
The rest of the accusers gathered around, torches in hand. Each gave a single, powerful thrust. One of these pierced Sasaki’s heart, ending his life.
Those who had not taken part in the grisly execution were appalled, covering their mouths in shock. Accustomed to violence as they were, many wondered: what was becoming of their community?
Yet before they had a chance to process what had just happened, mayor Rwigema made one final announcement. “As I told you earlier,” he said, “my staff and I have been working on a plan to better protect ourselves. Tonight when you arrive at home, some of you will find plain yellow envelopes. These contain special instructions from me.”
“I know we have all already done much,” he continued, “but I’m afraid I must ask more of some of you. Do your best to follow the instructions in your envelopes. Trust no one, and tell no one what you have received. Report to me everything you find.”
On that final note, the assembly dispersed, murmuring as they returned to the town.
Vote Count
Sasaki Kojiro: 6 (Caius Flaminius, Killfr3nzy, sapi, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Warmaster Horus, Xehh II)
Caius Flaminius: 2 (Dutch_guy, greaterkhaan)
Xehh II: 2 (AndresTheCunning, Sasaki Kojiro)
AndresTheCunning: 1 (Stig)
Dutch_guy: 1 (HughTower)
pevergreen: 1 (TwilightBlade)
Stig: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
TwilightBlade: 1 (pevergreen)
Not Voting: 1 (RoadKill)
Status List
Murdered
BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Lynched
Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Suicide
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo
Died of Mysterious Causes
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Still Alive
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xehh II
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2007, 06:15
gah! What's in the envelopes? I guess I'll never know.
Stig, you've managed to vote for 10 individuals and a slate of lurkers with zero repeated names (except from the laundry list) during 4 rounds of voting -- throwing around a lot of blame without much in the way of a consistent theme. You are the most active I've ever seen you in post count and aggressive posting style -- at least since your Jotun days. Your making me think you have a role, and I'm suspecting that role is not pro-town.
Well little you can say about me being active.
I played in a couple of games now.
In all I was pretty active, apart from Ichigo's game, where I got lynched (By the mafia) for being inactive.
Midgard:
Sasaki Kojiro 197
Ichigo 195
Reenk Roink 95
Redleg 89
Stig 88
Sigurd Fafnesbane 87
Husar 80
AndresTheCunning 80
Mafia IV:
Ichigo 117
Sasaki Kojiro 100
Stig 80
GeneralHankerchief 75
Pannonian 72
AndresTheCunning 55
Ichigo's Game:
Sasaki Kojiro 73
Ichigo 66
Stig 28
AndresTheCunning 27
pevergreen 23
OldSchool 23
This one:
Ichigo 130
Sasaki Kojiro 108
AndresTheCunning 74
Stig 52
CountArach 51
GeneralHankerchief 47
pevergreen 46
Caius Flaminius 43
So, I'm actually less active
RoadKill
04-17-2007, 21:00
Didn't I vote for Dutch_guy kommodus? Doesn't matter though.
pevergreen
04-17-2007, 23:21
Envelopes eh?
I humbly invite the mafia to attack me :beam:
Twilightblade
04-17-2007, 23:24
I wonder whats in these envelopes?
and will it help?
Probablky stating the obvious: But the envelopes most likely contain super power like abilities to kill people.
pevergreen
04-17-2007, 23:40
They could, but balance issues?
Kommodus
04-18-2007, 00:34
Didn't I vote for Dutch_guy kommodus? Doesn't matter though.
Way back in round 2, yes. The fourth round just ended, and you didn't vote for anyone this time.
pevergreen
04-18-2007, 01:03
Will WoG be under Mysterious Causes or under a Wrath of God heading?
Kommodus
04-18-2007, 03:52
Will WoG be under Mysterious Causes or under a Wrath of God heading?
Mysterious Causes. You see, I would never claim to be God. :bow:
Kommodus
04-18-2007, 06:25
Night 5
In the thick bushes just behind the home of pevergreen, a figure crouched nervously and waited. He was dressed in jeans and a black T-shirt, and wore only sandals on his feet. In his hands he held a large wooden weapon with which he fidgeted apprehensively – a Samburu war club. The weapon appeared to be more for decorative purposes than actual combat, as if it had just been removed from its place above a mantelpiece.
Hours passed. The moon rose high, mists began to fill the air, and still the man in the bushes watched and waited. Suddenly something moved in the street! He had barely noticed it, but he was certain he had seen a large shadow move. Peering through the mists, his suspicions were confirmed – a man was approaching pevergreen’s house. The approaching man seemed to be walking a bit stiffly, but very deliberately.
The hidden man crept carefully from the bushes to get a closer look. Pausing just behind the edge of the house, he leaned around a corner and watched the intruder approach. He saw a man dressed entirely in black, with a dark hood covering his face. A machete was strapped to his belt, and in one of his hands he clutched the unmistakable shape of a syringe.
The man hidden behind the house gripped his club tighter. He closed his eyes, crossed himself, and breathed deeply. Then, with a wild cry, he sprang into action! Leaping from behind the house, he charged straight for the intruder, brandishing the club. “Get away from here, you murderer! I’ll smash your head in!” he shouted, sounding as intimidating as he could.
The man in black was a bit slow to respond. He froze in his tracks and stared for a few seconds at his attacker. For a brief moment, one hand appeared to reach for the machete on his belt. Then, without a word, he turned and fled. Within seconds he had disappeared into the shadows and mists.
The man with the club quickly gave up the pursuit and paused, breathing heavily. He stooped and placed his hands on his knees, an unmistakable look of relief on his face. He then turned and jogged off into the distance.
The shouting had awakened pevergreen from his fitful slumber. However, by the time he made it to the door and looked outside, there was no trace of the drama that had just transpired.
…
Xehh II woke with a start, beads of sweat glistening on his forehead. Above the ubiquitous chattering and chirping of the many nocturnal creatures, he distinctly heard the sound of human voices shouting in the distance. Instantly he flung himself out of bed and groped for his AK-47, a weapon he kept under his bed. If trouble was brewing, he would be ready.
Finding the weapon, he rushed to the nearest light switch and flipped it. Oddly, nothing happened – the room remained pitch dark. Deciding he must have a burned-out light bulb, he started for the door, when a voice interrupted his progress.
“Going somewhere, Xehh?” a loud and distorted voice boomed. Startled, Xehh jumped, his hand immediately moving to the rifle’s trigger as he aimed it in what he thought was the direction of the voice. “Who’s there?” he shouted.
The voice came back, but this time it appeared to be coming from behind him. “Your day has come,” it said menacingly. “The dead cry out against you. By your foul deeds you have shed the blood of many. Now it is over.”
Xehh whirled around to face the voice and fired several shots into the darkness. The bullets hit nothing but the wall. Xehh’s heart pounded fiercely as a great lump of fear rose in his throat. “Show yourself!” he shouted desperately. “Face me in the light, you coward!”
This time, the only response he received was a severe, piercing pain in his back. He tried to scream but his voice was cut off. The rifle fell from his hands, which he raised to his chest. His fingers touched a sharp, wet point – a long shaft was protruding from his chest.
Xehh gurgled as blood rose in his throat and dripped from his mouth. The next moment, he fell to the floor, dead.
There were light footsteps on the floor as a figure stepped into the light. The individual, carrying a small crossbow, approached the body of Xehh II and regarded it for a moment. “Alea Jacta Est,” he muttered before turning and vanishing into the darkness.
…
The sound of the gunshots awakened several villagers, but one particular individual missed them completely. At that moment, Killfr3nzy was waking up in unfamiliar surroundings. His head was pounding and there was a bitter taste in his mouth. Coughing and spitting, he opened his eyes to find himself staring straight at a white vinyl mattress. The next moment he realized he couldn’t move – his limbs were pinioned by unyielding clamps.
Struggling, Killfr3nzy managed to twist his head a bit so that he could look about the room. He was pinned, face-down, in a sterile white laboratory occupied by computers and other electronic equipment. The walls held X-ray images and diagrams of various human organs. A bright white light source was coming from above. There was a single visible door, directly ahead of the table upon which Killfr3nzy was bound.
“Hello?” he shouted hoarsely, trying to find his voice. “Is anyone there? Can someone help me?” He strained against the clamps but could make no headway.
For a few minutes there was no response save for the beeping of some of the machines. Then suddenly the door opened and a man walked in briskly. He was dressed in a white lab coat and wore a surgical mask with goggles.
“Ah,” said the surgeon, “I see you’re awake. That’s good – now we can begin.”
Killfr3nzy grimaced; this was not going well at all. “Wait,” he protested, “let’s talk about this. Whatever you’re thinking, you don’t really want to do it.”
“Oh, I assure you that I do,” the surgeon replied, slipping on a pair of latex gloves. “Granted, some of my recent experiments haven’t turned out as I’d have liked. Still, we learned more each time; and besides, sacrifices must be made if science is to progress.”
“The sacrifices you’re talking about are insane!” cried Killfr3nzy. “You’re throwing away human lives as if they mean nothing! Scientific progress will happen independently of the means you’re resorting to, even if it takes slightly longer.”
The surgeon shrugged, selecting a long syringe from a table containing many instruments. “Usually it will… eventually,” he said. “But why wait and take that risk? Many forces in this world are unenlightened and threaten human progress. Every day we race against these forces; if we hesitate, the chance to save humanity could be lost.”
Killfr3nzy chuckled bitterly. “You talk of saving humanity,” he muttered, “yet all you’ve done so far is destroy it. When does it end, I wonder?”
“Soon,” responded the surgeon. “It ends very soon…” With that he plunged the syringe into Killfr3nzy’s exposed back. The unwilling patient cried out in pain.
“When indirect methods fail, sometimes the best course of action is to go straight to the heart of the matter,” he barely heard the surgeon say. “By injecting the nanites directly into the major ganglia of the spinal column, we achieve maximum distribution in a very short time. I apologize for the pain… it… unfortunate by-product of… procedure…” After he heard these words, Killfr3nzy blacked out. He never regained consciousness.
…
There were many rumors and much talk concerning the shouting and gunshots that had been heard the night before. However, while speculation was abundant, actual clues were scarce. Killfr3nzy was missing and presumed dead. The cause of death for Xehh II, in sharp contrast to the other recent deaths, was clear – the crossbow bolt embedded in his back was impossible to miss. However, it yielded no evidence that could help identify the killer.
Perhaps even more disturbing was the fact that there was no message written in stones at the government building. Many had grown accustomed to this strange ritual; while they weren’t sure why, they believed the messages had come from a friendly source. Now they were no more.
Many were curious about the mysterious yellow envelopes promised by mayor Rwigema, but none who had received them were immediately forthcoming about their contents. It was therefore in this state of confusion that the people gathered together for their fifth straight Gacaca ritual, as late afternoon approached and storm clouds gathered.
Status List
Murdered
BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy
Lynched
Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Suicide
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo
Died of Mysterious Causes
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Still Alive
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
mmmm, looks like someone wanted to either revenge the lynch of Sasaki or make it look like that.
Which will obviously be the last.
And I think Pever was attacked by someone who got an envelope (as Xehh said) and who thought Pever was suspicious.
tho it could all be different
14 left, maybe 3 mafia left ... we should get working.
I knew I would die this night but at least I got an AK-47.
Damn you Andres!(I hope I spelled your name right)I knew you were one of them!
a man was approaching pevergreen’s house. The approaching man seemed to be walking a bit stiffly, but very deliberately.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I]
The hidden man crept carefully from the bushes to get a closer look. Pausing just behind the edge of the house, he leaned around a corner and watched the intruder approach. He saw a man dressed entirely in black, with a dark hood covering his face. A machete was strapped to his belt, and in one of his hands he clutched the unmistakable shape of a syringe.
Pever got attacked by a Cosa Nuova and got protected.
Xehh gurgled as blood rose in his throat and dripped from his mouth. The next moment, he fell to the floor, dead.
There were light footsteps on the floor as a figure stepped into the light. The individual, carrying a small crossbow, approached the body of Xehh II and regarded it for a moment.
Xehh II got killed by one of the players with a new role. It wasn't me though.
The sound of the gunshots awakened several villagers, but one particular individual missed them completely. At that moment, Killfr3nzy was waking up in unfamiliar surroundings. His head was pounding and there was a bitter taste in his mouth. Coughing and spitting, he opened his eyes to find himself staring straight at a white vinyl mattress. The next moment he realized he couldn’t move – his limbs were pinioned by unyielding clamps.
It's quite obvious Killfr3nzy got killed by Cosa Nuova.
It don't believe Stig missed something that is that obvious :inquisitive:
I knew I would die this night but at least I got an AK-47.
Damn you Andres!(I hope I spelled your name right)I knew you were one of them!
I'm glad you got killed, but it wasn't me.
Err...I'm not Kommodus(Did I spell his name right?)
Err...I'm not Kommodus(Did I spell his name right?)
:laugh4:
Sorry, fixed the quote :bow:
pevergreen
04-18-2007, 08:44
Come on mafia! You can do better than that! Attack me again. :evilgrin:
Well, somebody has to be the first to vote:
Vote : TwilightBlade
Lurking throughout the whole game thus far, popping up in the last two rounds, not giving any useful comment, just casting a vote, last one: pevergreen, his reasoning: "because he won't get lynched and I have to vote someone"...
Why is it that you don't really participate in the thread, yet you make sure to vote every once in a while...?
Any insights on the game? Useful comments, a suspect maybe...?
Keeping silence at this stage of the game won't do you any good, so talk to us :whip:
Twilightblade
04-18-2007, 09:31
Well this turned out to be more eventful than most nights i might say. its a pity it had to be so loud though after eating, soccer and computer, sleeping is one of my favorite activities.
Well this turned out to be more eventful than most nights i might say. its a pity it had to be so loud though after eating, soccer and computer, sleeping is one of my favorite activities.
You probably posted that at the same time I posted my previous post.
Anything else to say, besides complaining about the noise...?
Vote tally:
TwilightBlade: 1 (AndresTheCunning)
As you see, you're about to get lynched, so you should start talking :evil:
Twilightblade
04-18-2007, 09:35
I currently have no suspects but i shall state the obvious that if pevergreen was at his house during the night he is probably innocent
I currently have no suspects but i shall state the obvious that if pevergreen was at his house during the night he is probably innocent
That's what I said in post #922 indeed.
Now, about the other 928 posts, anything to say about that?
Twilightblade
04-18-2007, 09:51
Not much other than i have a hard time keeping up with them.
although killfr3nzy seemed like a strange choice for a target seeing as he was inactive for the last voting session after voting sasaki. he also mostly posted updates on where the voting was and not too much else unless i missed many pages of posts:sweatdrop:
Not much other than i have a hard time keeping up with them.
although killfr3nzy seemed like a strange choice for a target seeing as he was inactive for the last voting session after voting sasaki. he also mostly posted updates on where the voting was and not too much else unless i missed many pages of posts:sweatdrop:
Hmmm, in Mafia VI I was mafia together with Dutch_Guy. His preferred tactic was killing off the lurkers, because the players posting in the thread would draw attention and votes to them anyway...
Murdered by Cosa Nuova (Xehh II got probably murdered by one of the townies who received an enveloppe, see my post 922):
BlackAxe3001 - lurker
GeneralHankerchief - high profile kill, likely an attempt to convert
Crazed Rabbit - lurker + never lies, can confirm his innocence beyond all doubt
rdece.jabolko - lurker
Kagemusha - lurker
discovery1 - lurker
CountArach - posts frequently
Killfr3nzy - lurker
This smells like Dutch_Guy
Unvote : TwilightBlade
Vote : Dutch_Guy
But I'm still suspicious of you, TB, so you better post something more substantial this voting round. Start reading, you lazy townie/mafioso :inquisitive: :whip:
Vote: Dutch_guy
I haven't seen much of him - it's just a pressure vote and will be lifed when a response is given (unless he incriminates himself :grin2: )
pevergreen
04-18-2007, 10:46
Oh I am very suspicious of Twilightblade, but I can say he would be paying more attention (IE logging on more than he does now) if he was mafia. He cant pull many tricks yet, but hes learning...blasted xian.
Vote: Twilightblade
Still, explain why you sign up to the org and get promoted to member status to play mafia, when you dont participate. And your lurking and random vote on me.
Twilightblade
04-18-2007, 10:52
Hey its my first mafia game on the org so cut me some slack, i need to learn how things are done. Im not a person who rushes into things head on i like to take my time and see how things work. if that makes me look suspicious so be it .
… a man was approaching pevergreen’s house. The approaching man seemed to be walking a bit stiffly, but very deliberately.
The hidden man crept carefully from the bushes to get a closer look. Pausing just behind the edge of the house, he leaned around a corner and watched the intruder approach. He saw a man dressed entirely in black, with a dark hood covering his face. A machete was strapped to his belt, and in one of his hands he clutched the unmistakable shape of a syringe.
Pever got attacked by a Cosa Nuova and got protected.
Yes, I reached the same conclusion. Finally our doctor/Agent managed to protect one of us. This is great news. This means dear townies, that pevergreen is as innocent as the ones actually killed by the Casanovas and can be struck from our suspicious list.
Xehh gurgled as blood rose in his throat and dripped from his mouth. The next moment, he fell to the floor, dead.
There were light footsteps on the floor as a figure stepped into the light. The individual, carrying a small crossbow, approached the body of Xehh II and regarded it for a moment.
Xehh II got killed by one of the players with a new role. It wasn't me though.
Now this I don’t follow… To me this kill seemed planned and as a result of investigation. The killer accuses Xehh of being dirty = one of the Casanovas. It is an execution. It could be one of the powers of the agent. Another possibility is that we are dealing with a townie killer:
…In addition, tensions continued to run high. Not all of the returning refugees were, in fact, innocent villagers displaced by violence. Many were among those responsible for the atrocities of the past. Some held tenaciously to their murderous social views. Each day brought new reports of additional attacks.
One of our dear townies has the power to kill and this particular townie believed Xehh II was a Casanova.
You mentioned players with new roles… My deducting skills tell me you got one and that it has something to do with the yellow notes. Maybe it is time for the pro-town roles to come forth into the open. Maybe this will single out the 3 or 4 Casanovas?
The sound of the gunshots awakened several villagers, but one particular individual missed them completely. At that moment, Killfr3nzy was waking up in unfamiliar surroundings. His head was pounding and there was a bitter taste in his mouth. Coughing and spitting, he opened his eyes to find himself staring straight at a white vinyl mattress. The next moment he realized he couldn’t move – his limbs were pinioned by unyielding clamps.
It's quite obvious Killfr3nzy got killed by Cosa Nuova.
It don't believe Stig missed something that is that obvious
Yes Stig might be hiding a darker secret. Mafia tends to dumb their intuition because they know too much of what is going on. It is an easy thing to notice.
I knew I would die this night but at least I got an AK-47.
Damn you Andres!(I hope I spelled your name right)I knew you were one of them!
I'm glad you got killed, but it wasn't me.
I don’t know what to make of this… Was Xehh II a Casanova or an innocent townie getting whacked by a vigilante?
vote:Stig
pevergreen
04-18-2007, 11:08
I can confirm that if infact, the crossbow killer was a townie, he/she recieved an envolope.
Twilightblade
04-18-2007, 11:17
Well its not like the Cosa Nuova to kill with weapons and they had also used both their kills/converts and no one has done this before so unless there is a role which doesnt come into play until night 5 what you said is true pever and would be the obvious conclusion
HughTower
04-18-2007, 11:22
Hmmm, in Mafia VI I was mafia together with Dutch_Guy. His preferred tactic was killing off the lurkers, because the players posting in the thread would draw attention and votes to them anyway...
I haven't seen much of him {Dutch_guy}- it's just a pressure vote and will be lifed when a response is given (unless he incriminates himself :grin2: )
I will say this is an impossible allegation to refute (other than to say, "No I am not"), so I do feel a little for Dutch here.
HOWEVER, he also has hovered on the fringes for most of the game & has only really emerged to answer my vote & questions from last round. He then put his vote on Caius, which is about a low risk bet as you can get. In summary then, he's doing a grand job of acting just like he did in Mafia VI & starting to trigger people's interest. He's also only reacting to accusations made against him, rather than trying to lead discussion himself. Owing to the town's precarious position, I don't want to add momentum to a bandwagon (& therefore provide cover for lurkers/CN), so for the time being, I'll
FoS: Dutch_guy
whilst retaining the option to place my vote on him.
Other thoughts:
pevergreen is clearly innocent. Does this mean that Andres is in the clear? And Sasaki even? I'd like to hear pevergreen himself explain this clearly to the thread, since at the moment, all we have is Sigurd's explanation. Kudos to his guardian angel - you chose well.
My interpretation of Xehh's kill was that it was a vigilante killing. I just hope he was CN.
The most worrying bit for me is the disappearance of the message in the stones. I believe that this means that Agent Bayingana is no longer with us, & I've a horrible feeling that he was lynched.
We need everyone to start participating & being careful with their vote placement - we can't afford innocent deaths.
The most worrying bit for me is the disappearance of the message in the stones. I believe that this means that Agent Bayingana is no longer with us, & I've a horrible feeling that he was lynched.
He would have revealed if he was in real threat of getting lynched, wouldn't he?
As for the message in the stones, it worries me as well.
I just hope that the vigilante (or whatever it was) didn't kill agent bayingana.
I agree with Andres that he would have revealed before he died, so the only option is death by either a pro- or anti-town player...
pevergreen
04-18-2007, 11:34
Clear Explanation
The game starts and i think of a way to make if fun. I invent a role for myself, I decide Sasaki could be mafia, so I target him. The role consists of that person becoming unkillable at night, but my win conditions became theirs, no matter who they were. I made up some extra things, and sent it off. A conversation followed, and i think he bought it. One night (night 3 i think), i was investigated, and presumably returned innocent (unless there is a chance for failure). I mistook that for a conversion to mafia side. So after thinking i was now mafia, i started attacking the only innocent i knew that i could always get votes on. Sasaki. Oh there was many questions from him and Ichigo once they confirmed each others innocence. But when they confirmed mine, i realised i wasnt mafia.
The envelopes are a special issue, i am of the opinion that they went to normal townies. So 16 players were left, take lets say 3 mafia, 13 left, i know that there are a few pro town so left say 10 left. I think no more than half would have received envelopes. So mafia, please, please! Attack me.... :evilgrin:
HughTower
04-18-2007, 11:54
He would have revealed if he was in real threat of getting lynched, wouldn't he?
As for the message in the stones, it worries me as well.
In this story, the Agent is MI6, & it sounds like he had the power to investigate & vaccinate against the nanites. I have a theory that the Agent would not be allowed to reveal his identity (because he's MI6), & that this explains Sasaki's constant evasion, & use of terms like OPSEC. That's why I have a horrible feeling.
pevergreen - thank you. But, you are unable to clear Andres' name definitively then, correct?
pevergreen
04-18-2007, 11:56
Oh no, I can confirm that Ichigo, Sasaki, Andres and Killfr3nzy were innocent.
Half half on Twilightblade though.. ergo my vote.
God-*****
I'm starting to get that sinking feeling too...
HughTower, please stop making such depressing sense :grin2:
HughTower
04-18-2007, 12:32
Oh no, I can confirm that Ichigo, Sasaki, Andres and Killfr3nzy were innocent.
I'm sorry to be such a bore, pevergreen, but how/why is Andres proved innocent? Stig & AtPG in Midgard demonstrated the danger of the town putting too much faith in vouched-for players.
At the moment, you're the only confirmed innocent amongst us.
pevergreen
04-18-2007, 12:36
Andres in the same way as Ichigo and Sasaki.
He broke rules, privately revealing.
Then rectify that and reveal publicy...
Killfr3nzy
04-18-2007, 14:00
Gah.
*Broke Rules*
It don't believe Stig missed something that is that obvious
Hey I didn't have the time to fully read the kills (and I can't really be bothered).
So if that's a reason to lynch me do your worst.
And I'm sure someone will vote me now.
He broke rules, privately revealing.
Shouldn't something be done in that case?
Edit your post Killfrenzy:
However, you may not reveal your role after death. This goes for all roles. If you break this rule I’ll help the other side in some way.
Killfr3nzy
04-18-2007, 14:25
Bah, Stig edited in what I should've realised straight away. However, I think I was already editing at that point, unless I managed an edit in one second. Kudos for actualy finding the rule bit, I went to CA's mini-mafia, then decided to check out here again, then got suspiscious that I'd done wrong...again. Man, I really gotta post when I'm fully awake. And/Or check my posts a few times before actually putting them in. :thumbsdown:
Also, I resent my lurker status. I'm sure I've posted more than some people who are still alive. Mostly sure. Kinda.
Andres-
You mentioned players with new roles… My deducting skills tell me you got one and that it has something to do with the yellow notes. Maybe it is time for the pro-town roles to come forth into the open. Maybe this will single out the 3 or 4 Casanovas?
This wouldn't work imo. What's to stop the CN's from role-claiming? Who can verify(assuming no investigator)?
I really can't wait for post-game so I can figure out the logic in killing me. Yes, I'm townie, but I didn't think I was at all threatning.
Guess it's as Someone-whos-post-I-can't-find-right-now said, and it's either a revenge killing for my vote on Sasaki (remaining six(?) people who also voted him; fear ;p), or made to look like that.
I'll edit it what was actually said and who said it when I find it. :embarassed:
Edit: Twas Stig;
mmmm, looks like someone wanted to either revenge the lynch of Sasaki or make it look like that.
Which will obviously be the last.
And about Andres' vote for DG
Would you kill Disco, GH or Kage so early on? I wouldn't, all of them draw attention onto them, DG would know better I think. However he's still on my list of possible mafia.
As there might still be 3 mafia (and a converted) in the game it might be time for the pro-townies to reveal. The more that reveal the better. Mafia will have to think of a role, and that will be hard.
Kommo uses names that are different from normal, and thus you can't come with:
I'm the doctor, and I'm the detective
Faking roles is difficult, I got away with it in Midgard, but that was because I had an original PM.
Oh no, I can confirm that Ichigo, Sasaki, Andres and Killfr3nzy were innocent.
As I see it, this is all about revealing in secret. However... only the agent knows them all.
How did Sasaki know Ichigo was one that had been investigated? Ichigo told us that pever told Sasaki.
How did pever know? because pever is the agent?
Why add Killfr3nzy on this list of investigated players?
Me thinks you just gave yourself away... Let's do this in the open. If you are the agent then we have another player with the ability to protect. You should be safe for now.
pevergreen : the Agent?
Andres : the protector?
? : the killer
three confirmed roles?
[edit]: I am at work and posting can take a while... I am sorry I missed what went on in the posts previous to this... apparently Killfr3nzy revealed something? Was that a confirmation that he had been investigated?
Only Stig knows I guess...
He revealed his role, but tbh I don't even remember what exactly it was, the name was too difficult.
Next to that I didn't really read it, I edited my post immediatly to tell him to edit his.
btw isn't revealing in private forbidden? So in that case they should either be punished, or they are the mafia and don't know it.
Andres in the same way as Ichigo and Sasaki.
He broke rules, privately revealing.
I disagree. I didn't reveal. I only said that Kommodus thanked me for playing his game in my first pm to you. In my second I told you you didn't see me tonight and in my third I told you I would spend the next night elsewhere. Your interpretation is your own, not mine. I didn't confirm nor deny your interpretation.
Imho, that's not revealing, so no rules broken.
At best you can tell that I gave some clues.
:bow:
I'm sorry to be such a bore, pevergreen, but how/why is Andres proved innocent? Stig & AtPG in Midgard demonstrated the danger of the town putting too much faith in vouched-for players.
At the moment, you're the only confirmed innocent amongst us.
We know from previous games that pever sometimes talks to much. Why did you push him to give vital information for the Cosa Nuova?
Reading between the lines should have been enough to see who are the confirmed innocents. Why the fishing for roles?
Kommo already knows that Killfrenzy broke the rules:
Gah.
*Broke Rules*
so if he wants to help them he can already do that.
Sides I rather play a fair game, then an unfair one (to the point where that is possible, if people reveal by PM).
Next to that I'm the only one who knows Killfrenzy's original role, as he said he was stripped from it, as he broke another rule as well.
SIDES YOU JUST QUOTED ME, WHAT USE DOES THAT HAVE? ANDRES THE MAFIA?
(to the point where that is possible, if people reveal by PM).
Can they or can they not? How would you know?
Please keep in mind the following items:
Pro-Town Roles
The only known pro-town role is Agent Bayingana, an MI-6 agent tasked with stopping the Cosa Nuova. His precise abilities are unknown. There are also several additional pro-town roles, but their number and types are hidden.
...
Other Special Rules (Important!)
You may not post screenshots of any kind for any reason.
Unlike most other Mafia games on this forum, you may not quote the private messages I send to you. A lot of games, I think, have been negatively affected by too many quoted PMs. You must use your own eloquence to convince others of your case.
You may (and are encouraged to) participate in the discussion after being killed. This is to prevent the game from dying due to all the active players being killed off. However, you may not reveal your role after death. This goes for all roles. If you break this rule I’ll help the other side in some way.
You may not claim to be mafia.
If you wish to leave the game you may do so by notifying me of your intention to commit suicide. However, you may not do this while receiving a lot of votes – if you do so I’ll simply allow you to be lynched.
Don’t forget that abstaining votes are not allowed.
So where exactly do you read that you cannot reveal in private? I know it's a general rule, but maybe Kommo applied the adagium "lex specialis derogat legi generalibus" ?
Besides there's a difference between "giving subtle hints/clues" and "revealing".
SIDES YOU JUST QUOTED ME, WHAT USE DOES THAT HAVE? ANDRES THE MAFIA?
I'm not a junior member you know, so I can edit posts as well.
So where exactly do you read that you cannot reveal in private? I know it's a general rule, but maybe Kommo applied the adagium "lex specialis derogat legi generalibus" ?
Well since people might have guessed by now, yes I do have a special minor role. I'm a Watchman, as it said in the enveloppe. All I can do is watch people and see if they are at home or not.
I can not reveal my role privately, only publicly (as I just did).
I'm not a junior member you know, so I can edit posts as well.
But why quote in the first place?
And because everyone will want to know, yes I watched someone last night, and yes he wasn't at home, which means 2 thigns:
-he's mafia
-he's pro-town
And I'm waiting for him to post, something this day ... that's why I haven't voted yet as well
Well since people might have guessed by now, yes I do have a special minor role. I'm a Watchman, as it said in the enveloppe. All I can do is watch people and see if they are at home or not.
I believe you Stig... :yes:
unvote:Stig
Well since people might have guessed by now, yes I do have a special minor role. I'm a Watchman, as it said in the enveloppe. All I can do is watch people and see if they are at home or not.
I can not reveal my role privately, only publicly (as I just did).
But why quote in the first place?
So you would know what to edit. I saw you were online checking this thread and guessing you would notice it quickly...
Guess you watched me and saw I wasn't at home he? That explains why you are suspicious of me. Np, I understand.
So from the living, we have three confirmed innocents: Stig, pevergreen and myself.
Suspects:
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
EDIT: I'll stick to my vote
Nope wasn't you
As I said in my edit (which you will have missed for obvious reasons) he hasn't posted today yet.
Guess you watched me and saw I wasn't at home he? That explains why you are suspicious of me.
Well you said A. Time to follow up with a B... Even the Casanovas understands that you have a role by now.
Give us your intel as you will surely be on the Casanovas' list of players soon to be killed.
HughTower
04-18-2007, 16:07
We know from previous games that pever sometimes talks to much. Why did you push him to give vital information for the Cosa Nuova?
Reading between the lines should have been enough to see who are the confirmed innocents. Why the fishing for roles?
I'm trying to pin down innocents, not roles. Naming innocents makes our & the doctor's roles easier. This needs to be transparent so everyone believes it. Reading between the lines is easier for you because you have more information than most of us - just don't presume we know what you know. Again, I point you towards Midgard Mafia for the problems of townie credulity.
Stig - revealing in private is not forbidden - unlike Mafia VI - but quoting Kommodus' PMs is.
Stig - revealing in private is not forbidden - unlike Mafia VI - but quoting Kommodus' PMs is
Well I could quote the PM to show you it says so in my PM, but ...
Well you said A. Time to follow up with a B... Even the Casanovas understands that you have a role by now.
Give us your intel as you will surely be on the Casanovas' list of players soon to be killed.
I vouched for several players, confirming their innocence. That's what the town needs and that's all you (= Casanova's) wil get get from me.
I know my role and I know what to do next night.
Feel free to attack me :evil:
I vouched for several players, confirming their innocence. That's what the town needs and that's all you (= Casanova's) wil get get from me.
I know my role and I know what to do next night.
Feel free to attack me :evil:
Alright... I suspect you have a role... and it was you who first brought up the new roles issue...
I believe Stig because I too received a pm from Kommodus during night 4. It explicitly states that I am not to reveal any of that information in private... only publicly in the thread.
I am a Role-blocker and I blocked HughTower last night.
So that's Sigurd in the safe
Pever, Sigurd and Stig are truly innocent
And for Andres there's some change, tho he might also be playing very dirty
Dutch_guy
04-18-2007, 16:25
Hmmm, in Mafia VI I was mafia together with Dutch_Guy. His preferred tactic was killing off the lurkers, because the players posting in the thread would draw attention and votes to them anyway...
Too bad there's no Kommodus in this game who can notice that my posts don't contain a suspicious amount of 'nothing'. I find it offending the mafia killed GeneralH, and would have refused to kill Kage and Disco because of their usual semi activeness. Actually, I'd have killed completely different people, even knowing the fact there's the small chance of converting someone in the proces.
Vote: Dutch_guy
I haven't seen much of him - it's just a pressure vote and will be lifed when a response is given (unless he incriminates himself )
Pressure votes usually contain some sort of argumentation. Simply following an above post(er) doesn't qualify as a pressure vote, it's quite simply a bandwagon.
HOWEVER, he also has hovered on the fringes for most of the game & has only really emerged to answer my vote & questions from last round. He then put his vote on Caius, which is about a low risk bet as you can get. In summary then, he's doing a grand job of acting just like he did in Mafia VI & starting to trigger people's interest.
FoS: Dutch_guy
Hey, for what it's worth Caius did seem suspicious to me at least, and untill the mafia decide to kill him, he will be.
He's also only reacting to accusations made against him, rather than trying to lead discussion himself. Owing to the town's precarious position, I don't want to add momentum to a bandwagon (& therefore provide cover for lurkers/CN), so for the time being, I'll
Yes, I tend to do that.
However, you do realise pointing your finger in my general direction doesn't help the town at all ?
DG would know better I think.
Yes, I would indeed have approached the kills quite differently.
However he's still on my list of possible mafia.
We should all be.
Anyway, this is my assessment of the game:
AndresTheCunning - apparently proven innocent.
Caius Flaminius - should be obvious.
Destroyer of Hope - is he still in the game, at all ?
Dutch_guy - innocent.
greaterkhaan -
HughTower - didn't jump on a bandwagon, even though he could. Giving him the benefit of the doubt.
pevergreen - proven innocent.
RoadKill - tried to vote for an innocent, me, can therefor not be trusted
sapi -
Seamus Fermanagh - bit too quiet for my liking, perhaps trying a new approach to the game ?
Sigurd Fafnesbane - apparantly a role blocker.
Stig - again, apparently proven to be innocent.
TwilightBlade - have no idea if this is the usual TB, or the mafia one.
Warmaster Horus - see TB.
IN my opinion, this would then follow:
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Stig
Sigurd Fafnesbane
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
I'd say putting a vote on Seamus is going to be my next move.
[EDIT] spaces and spelling.
:balloon2:
So that's Sigurd in the safe
Pever, Sigurd and Stig are truly innocent
And for Andres there's some change, tho he might also be playing very dirty
*sigh*
Upon returning home following the evening’s assembly, I discovered that -K pm'd me a letter signed by Mayor Rwigema.
so it's : pever, Sigurd, Stig and Andres are truly innocent.
Dutch_guy - innocent.
Can you prove your innocence?
I am a Role-blocker and I blocked HughTower last night.
Did you get any information about HughTower? Do you know if the blocked person tried to do something at night or did you get any similar information?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-18-2007, 18:02
Vote: Dutch_guy
I haven't seen much of him - it's just a pressure vote and will be lifed when a response is given (unless he incriminates himself :grin2: )
bandwagon again!
mmmm I'm still missing Seamus, but then I watched his house, and he wasn't in ~D
I'll vote him
Vote: Seamus
so what's your role?
Warmaster Horus
04-18-2007, 18:49
he's the guy you watched?
he's the guy you watched?
I think that's clear
why the desperate PM btw? Come on, what are you hiding?
Dutch_guy
04-18-2007, 19:08
Can you prove your innocence?
Merely my word that I have no role, be it good or evil, and am just a simple towny.
:balloon2:
Warmaster Horus
04-18-2007, 19:17
The desperate PM? I wanted to know, that's all.
What I was hiding is my role: I'm the Vigilante, who one time during the game, can kill one person.
I killed Xehn II, because of what I posted before, his suspicious activity and to avoid us making a useless lynch now or even later on.
I think, fear in fact, that my choice was useless. But, better to do something than not to, right? I also asked someone else, who agreed with my choice.
I also asked someone else, who agreed with my choice.
In that case, let this person post
Did you get any information about HughTower? Do you know if the blocked person tried to do something at night or did you get any similar information?
Nothing conclusive, only a message about me managing to carry on a long conversation with HughTower throughout the night. And that I had kept him from whatever he had to do, if he had to do something that night.
tuttut, not allowed to quote PMs, tell it in your own words ~D
tho it wouldn't really matter
Warmaster Horus
04-18-2007, 19:26
If the person in question wishes to post, thus proving my role, then that person will post. If not, well, alea jacta est.
tuttut, not allowed to quote PMs, tell it in your own words ~D
tho it wouldn't really matter
there was no specific warning about quoting this pm as it was in the other ... :sweatdrop:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-18-2007, 19:31
The desperate PM? I wanted to know, that's all.
What I was hiding is my role: I'm the Vigilante, who one time during the game, can kill one person.
I killed Xehn II, because of what I posted before, his suspicious activity and to avoid us making a useless lynch now or even later on.
I think, fear in fact, that my choice was useless. But, better to do something than not to, right? I also asked someone else, who agreed with my choice.
This would prove your innocence right, assuming the mafia didn't get envelopes?
Warmaster Horus
04-18-2007, 19:41
assuming the mafia didn't get envelopes
You're talking of the other person, right?
This would prove your innocence right, assuming the mafia didn't get envelopes?
Not untill that other person comes in and says he agreed.
When that's done however he's as innocent as me and Sigurd
We have quite a few special roles me thinks...:
AndresTheCunning : you can only guess, dirty Casanova's :evil:
pevergreen : you can only guess, dirty Casanova's :evil:
Stig : Watcher
Sigurd : Roleblocker
WarmasterHorus: vigilante.
Assuming none of the above is lying (and I'm pretty sure none of the above actually is...), our suspect list is as follows:
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
TwilightBlade
I think we can remove DoH from it, he doesn't seem intrested in this game anymore. A pity...
Thus we have:
Caius Flaminius
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
TwilightBlade
Seamus, why weren't you at home last night? Boys, I think we got a guilty one here...
Unvote : Dutch_guy
Vote : Seamus
Prepare to die, Casanova...
Seamus Fermanagh
04-18-2007, 20:20
Poo-rats.
I had hoped not to get into this in the mid-game, but it seems there is a groundswell towards early reveals this time. So be it.
Note: NOT QUOTING
I got tapped as an "umufumu" -- variant on witch-doctor
I am allowed to place a lucky charm -- magical deliciousness not guaranteed -- over someone's door to protect them for 1 night OR retreat to my shaman's cave/grotto and go into a trance which allows you see what someone is doing over the course of 1 night.
Since my magic is, apparently only so-so for efficiency (33% success -- thanks a lot Kommo :dizzy: ) my results have been haphazard.
I failed to protect Sasaki on night one.
I succeeded in protecting Ichigo night two.
I got no results on watch-mode for night 3 (T'blade) or night 4 (Andres).
As you can see, Kommo apparently felt the original roles like this weren't cutting the mustard.
Right, no-one (except for Reenk maybe) would come up with that
Unvote: Seamus
I'd say, if you have a role, reveal it. The mafia will know who to kill anyway
I'm testing my luck on Sapi now, as Sasaki said, another bandwagon, more or less
Vote: Sapi
DG is actually more active then normal
Seamus Fermanagh
04-18-2007, 20:28
Okay, I went after Stig for behavior that seemed like a role -- apparently he has (or has acquired) one.
If we accept the list of "innocents" that Sigurd, Andres etc. have been building -- and there is nothing vote-wise to suggest they're off, then I'm forced to fall back on the one whose been twigging my senses on-and-off all game.
Vote: Caius
Eveyone is coming clean lad, it's time to unburden yourself.
I googled umufumu, apparently it is indeed a witch doctor.
Okay, I don't think Seamus invented that :laugh4: And if he did, he deserves to win this game :bow: :laugh4:
Still left:
Caius Flaminius
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
RoadKill
sapi
TwilightBlade
Unvote : Seamus
Vote : greaterkhaan
It's been a while my friend...
I'm still suspicious of Dutch_guy though, but maybe that's just me being paranoia. You never know for sure about that guy :inquisitive:
Dutch_guy
04-18-2007, 21:09
I'm still suspicious of Dutch_guy though, but maybe that's just me being paranoia. You never know for sure about that guy :inquisitive:
Well, thanks ?
Seriously, you should be able to see the difference from when I was a mafioso.
Seamus' reveal seems...legit. For the moment at least, quite the inventive fake if it turns out to be 100% bull.
Further more, this would be my suspect list:
Caius Flaminius
greaterkhaan
RoadKill
sapi
With Roadkill in there because I simply don't know the guy all to well, don't know his style, nor his usual activeness on the fora - and mafia games.
:balloon2:
I heard something on Sapi ... about him being innocent, tho I would like himself to confirm it.
Warmaster Horus
04-18-2007, 21:17
I googled umufumu, apparently it is indeed a witch doctor.
Okay, I don't think Seamus invented that And if he did, he deserves to win this game
Agree :laugh4:
I succeeded in protecting Ichigo night two.
On night two, two people got murdered: Crazed Rabbit and rdece.jabolko :inquisitive:
Yes, but would Ichigo be attacked, then ...
Okay, I went after Stig for behavior that seemed like a role -- apparently he has (or has acquired) one.
If we accept the list of "innocents" that Sigurd, Andres etc. have been building -- and there is nothing vote-wise to suggest they're off, then I'm forced to fall back on the one whose been twigging my senses on-and-off all game.
Vote: Caius
Eveyone is coming clean lad, it's time to unburden yourself.
Arg, too much to read.
Now, I have other vote of Seamus.This time I wont do nothing stupid as Midgard(saying innocent all the time didnt worked).
This time, I dont have a role.Yes, Im acting suspechous because Im semilurking, but I have seen that the more post I have, the more possiblities to get lynched.At this moment, it cant be allowed to lynch an innocent.If this were the start of ths game, yes, it can be allowed.
Now, I will place the eyes in sapi.Why sapi?I had noticed he came, post and dissapears.Discution is fundamental.Always
Vote:sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
04-18-2007, 21:33
On night two, two people got murdered: Crazed Rabbit and rdece.jabolko :inquisitive:
He means his 33% chance worked out, not that his target was attacked.
You say you're semi-lurking and then you vote Sapi for lurking
Unvote: Sapi (also due to the fact I was told he's innocent)
Vote: Caius, for being a hypocrit
Sasaki Kojiro
04-18-2007, 21:40
1000!
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