View Full Version : Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded]
Warmaster Horus
04-25-2007, 23:12
Or maybe an angel. Or Kommodus himself who likes Stig that much that he wants him to survive the game...
I can understand the need for secrecy, but not that of sarcasm...
Well, good night people, I'm off to bed. It's 10 past midnight here, and my parents want an "early" night.
I can understand the need for secrecy, but not that of sarcasm...
:oops:
I was just joking. I didn't intend to sound sarcastic. Sorry if you felt offended or insulted :sorry:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-25-2007, 23:32
So, if I missed this then excuse me, but who saved Stig?
Well yeah this is pretty much the last thing we want revealed in the thread.
Twilightblade
04-26-2007, 03:07
in the act of self preservation i shall Vote: NO LYNCH
i dont want to be WoGed but i dont know who to vote for at the moment
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 03:25
Did you receive an envelope?
Seamus Fermanagh
04-26-2007, 04:20
Round Seven and "No Lynch" leads the votes...:inquisitive:
Andres has summarized the cast nicely. Of the two primes, however, my vote -- at least initially -- goes to Caius. He twigged me early on with his changed posting style and approach and nothing convincing has come forward as to his innocence.
Vote: Caius
Caius, as Andres noted, it is time to put yourself in play.
pevergreen
04-26-2007, 04:39
Vote: Caius
At this point, after those who have posted their reasons, we dont need reasons, we need votes. Im suggesting all townies vote Caius, all who dont....well....:evilgrin:
We need to lynch, not advance the cause of world peace.
I have a question for sapi, pevergreen, Warmaster Horus, Stig, Sigurd and whatever deceased player who had a special role.
Do you remember if your role had a special, somewhat weird and exotic sounding name?
However, Warmaster was "Vigilante", sapi "Watchman", Stig "Watcher", Sigurd "Roleblocker" and I myself defenitely didn't have a weird role-name.
Seamus (who is a very well educated man, so I noticed on several occasions, while lurking in the Backroom) on the contrary claimed to be the "umufumu" something.
A while ago, I was suspicious about Seamus because of his continuous analysing and "go with the flow"-attitude, meanwhile never really taking position, never taking risks in accusing somebody. A bit like HughTower does as well. I accepted Seamus' innocence as a fact, because of the weird role name. Now I'm starting to doubt, because he seems like the only one with a weird sounding role... Also the 33% chance seems a bit low and is a pretty good excuse for not getting killed. At such a low succes rate, he should be low on the mafia targets list. Which is convenient in case of a false claim. Did Seamus know who was getting protection in the two nights previous to last one?
As some players said before and it actually doesn't sound crazy, we need to keep all options open...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 08:21
It makes sense for the guys with the envelopes. But a couple people claimed original roles.
:wall:
You're right.
BlackAxe and I were "Night Watchmen" (I believe that there is another watchman role that can block).
No crazy-sounding names were in evidence.
Sigurd may well have been too smart for his own good - can anyone back him up?
If not, he's my pick for the lynch today (especially as I know of no other % based roles - from what I know of Kommodus it's much more likely that no roles were very versatile but rather focused but perfect at what they do: for example, BlackAxe and I could not stop an attack that we witnessed, only know who did it; and Horus only had one (100%) shot with his night kill)
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 08:27
Why didn't you answer when I asked you that before?
It's seamus who claimed the weird name btw.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 08:33
Also, it makes sense to have a 50% cop because cops are powerful. But docs are already pretty weak so why weaken it to 33%. And why is he still alive?
pevergreen
04-26-2007, 08:33
In my envelope, i got no name....just a lot of...stuff :evilgrin:
Wasn't Warmasters' role an original one as well?
And Seamus revealed after Stig said that he watched Seamus who wasn't at home. So Seamus had to come up with a role to explain himself. Anything else wouldn't have worked...
I suggest you guys lynch Seamus.
pevergreen
04-26-2007, 08:35
Unvote; Vote: Seamus
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 08:35
Also, apparently someone found seamus as "not at home" but according to his reveal he was at home. Checking on this.
I am allowed to place a lucky charm -- magical deliciousness not guaranteed -- over someone's door to protect them for 1 night OR retreat to my shaman's cave/grotto and go into a trance which allows you see what someone is doing over the course of 1 night.
Since my magic is, apparently only so-so for efficiency (33% success -- thanks a lot Kommo ) my results have been haphazard.
I failed to protect Sasaki on night one.
I succeeded in protecting Ichigo night two.
I got no results on watch-mode for night 3 (T'blade) or night 4 (Andres).
And why is he still alive?
Because of the 33 %...? With such a low succes rate, the mafia won't kill him.
Convenient isn't it...? Maybe a bit too convenient.
Well it's obvious that people with enveloppes don't have names. As they were given a job to do.
How about the people that started with a role?
pevergreen
04-26-2007, 08:38
BTW that attack on me was Twilightblade. I interrogated him on the bus and he revealed. with a :grin:
Well it's obvious that people with enveloppes don't have names. As they were given a job to do.
How about the people that started with a role?
sapi and BlackAxe did. They were "Watchmen". Warmaster Horus started as "Vigilante". No weird mambo-jambo names...
Also, Stig watched Seamus on night 5, when Seamus "revealed" he didn't say what he did on night five, he only said what he did on nights 1, 2, 3 and 4.
BTW that attack on me was Twilightblade. I interrogated him on the bus and he revealed. with a :grin:
Hmmm... Isn't that revealing in private? Shouldn't TB get WoG'ed now? :grin:
pevergreen
04-26-2007, 08:41
:laugh4:
I'm getting more and more inclined to advise a lynch.
You must remember, though, that in a worst case scenario the mafia could control 4 of the 9 votes.
You must decide on a target and stick to him.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 08:44
He's definitely the lynch.
With Bayinga being the known start role his claim made sense and I was suspicious of sapi and warmaster for having simple names. Didn't go back and rethink that when they were shown to be innocent though.
Well another sure lynch will be Caius, after he voted for no lynch. And I don't know about Seamus yet, do all of my watchings haven't helped, and blocking Twilight was useless last night.
What am I saying?
Unvote, vote: Seamus
He knew all of that
Well another sure lynch will be Caius, after he voted for no lynch. And I don't know about Seamus yet, do all of my watchings haven't helped, and blocking Twilight was useless last night.
What am I saying?
Unvote, vote: Seamus
He knew all of that
Indeed, we all trusted Seamus. I explicitly asked him to protect me last night. He sent his "night orders" to Kommo and put me and pever in CC
Kommodus:
I have an early morning meeting to insure a brother knight who’s being deployed to Iraq Wednesday. I am, therefore, not going to be up soon after the midnight phase shift, so I am lodging my next night’s orders with you now.
I will work my juju to protect Andres this eve. I have warned him that it's only one in three, but there it is.
CC: andres, pev'
I will work my juju to protect Andres this eve.
Work your juju?
Juju (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juju)
Don't lynch him, he deserves to win :laugh4:
Even Reenk wouln't come up with all that. He could have used different words, easier words
Unvote, for now. Want him to defend himself
Even Reenk wouln't come up with all that. He could have used different words, easier words
Unvote, for now. Want him to defend himself
In that case, stick to your vote to put enough pressure on him. Otherwise he won't defend himself and vote for somebody else who is in the lead. As sapi said, you need to pick a target and you should all vote for him.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 09:09
Juju is used in west africa according to the link, and Rwanda isn't in west africa ~D
...and no one who was given the role would know what juju is :grin2:
He deserves a medal, he really does.
I'll pin it to him, if you want. With a nailgun.
EDIT (people got in as I was writing): Stig, you have to lynch him. Sitting on the fence will result in you going down with him, if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor
There's enough pressure on him alright, no need for a vote.
Caius will be a good lynch as well.
Btw
Now 9 players
After lynch 8 players (-1 mafia)
After night 6 players
After lynch 5 players (-1 mafia)
After night 3 players left of which 2 mafia.
So I doubt we still have 3 mafia and 1 converted left.
Unless we count Seamus protecting skills, which means he is innocent
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 09:12
Will be a close thing.
Now 9 players
After lynch 8 players (-1 mafia)
After night 6 players
After lynch 5 players (-1 mafia)
After night 3 players left of which 2 mafia.
I'd call that faulty logic, but I don't think it deserves the name.
The amount of assumptions that you are making is astounding, and stupid.
You may well be right....if you lynch the bloody mafia
We deal in worst case scenarios here, and that means that there could be 4 mafia votes left to cast.
Do you really want to allow a situation where those votes could be switched, at the last minute and on logic as 'sound' as that, to an innocent townie?
Or:
Now 9 players
After lynch 8 players (-1 mafia)
After night 7 players (assuming a succesful protection/role block)
After lynch 6 players (-1 mafia)
After night 5 players left of which 1 mafia and 1 converted (assuming a succesful protection/role block)
After lynch 4 players (-1 mafia) ---> Townie victory
pevergreen
04-26-2007, 09:21
Well pever can always protect someone.
Thanks. You reveal my true role, and now i get to die.
Or:
Now 9 players
After lynch 8 players (-1 mafia)
After night 7 players (assuming a succesful protection/role block)
After lynch 6 players (-1 mafia)
After night 5 players left of which 1 mafia and 1 converted (assuming a succesful protection/role block)
After lynch 4 players (-1 mafia) ---> Townie victory
As for Seamus: on three subsequent nights his skills failed. In fact, his skills have failed alot, even for a 33 %. Must be someting wrong with his West-African juju... He should have used buyaza.
Thanks. You reveal my true role, and now i get to die.
You should have denied it, or better yet, not leaked it in private in the first place.
We need more conversation.
Seamus Fermanagh
04-26-2007, 15:14
Well, I can't quote the role PM itself and I'd decided that a word-for-word paraphrase would get me wogged so I'm still a bit limited.
The tone of the PM suggests that the low percentages are based on my ability to do two different actions. It's my WAG that the non-Bayinga roles may have been a little too weak, which is why we ended up with some getting envelopes. As to the specifics of this, only Kommo knows the whole deal, so ask him. :yes:
Nights 5, 6, and 7 I have been following the suggested/coordinated efforts -- but haven't had a useful result. When it worked it was on a "non-starter" when it didn't I got Andres deaded. I'd love to come up with something more compelling, but this is pretty well it, so there it is. Pev' and Andres can confirm the PM's I'd sent them -- in fact Andres already posted the most recent.
I think the mathematics is somewhere between the worst case and the case posted by Andres. If we lynch a mafia in either of the next two days, the advantage stays -- albeit narrowly -- with the town. Only another conversion would torpedo us.
Nights 5, 6, and 7 I have been following the suggested/coordinated efforts -- but haven't had a useful result. When it worked it was on a "non-starter" when it didn't I got Andres deaded. I'd love to come up with something more compelling, but this is pretty well it, so there it is. Pev' and Andres can confirm the PM's I'd sent them -- in fact Andres already posted the most recent.
I think the mathematics is somewhere between the worst case and the case posted by Andres. If we lynch a mafia in either of the next two days, the advantage stays -- albeit narrowly -- with the town. Only another conversion would torpedo us.
I know what you were supposed to do last night.
What about nights 5 and 6? You revealed after night 5, why did you only speak about what you did on nights 1, 2, 3 and 4 but not about 5?
Why would your role (which was granted at the beginning of the game) have an exotic name and the others not? That doesn't make much sense, does it?
If sapi and BlackAxe were "Watchmen" and Warmaster Horus "Vigilante" (those three started the game with a role as well), why weren't you "witch-doctor" instead of "umufumu" ? Neither of the players who received an enveloppe had an exotic name attached to their role either.
Can't you paraphrase something more specific, something that would have been in all role pm's, something not about the role itself.
Because I still don't believe you Seamus :inquisitive:
Will cast my vote soon.
It's been 17 hours since your last post :whip:
Warmaster Horus
04-26-2007, 16:18
Soon is relative AtC. Especially on these forums.
Soon is relative AtC. Especially on these forums.
I know, but I love to use the whip smiley :grin:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 18:09
Seamus appears resigned.
Vote tally:
No lynch: 2 (Caius, TwilightBlade)
Seamus: 1 (pevergreen)
Caius : 1 (Seamus)
This day lasted for 23 hours now. May I remind my living team-mates that this voting round is probably crucial and that the town needs a lynch?
You guys have to pick a target and vote en masse.
I should go for HughTower, Caius or Seamus now, with a preference for Seamus.
So, it's time to wake up, you lazy slackers :whip:
Vote: Caius
I simply think it's better
Caius will be a good lynch as well.
May I ask why?
I should go for HughTower, Caius or Seamus now, with a preference for Seamus.
So, it's time to wake up, you lazy slackers
Why he?:dizzy:
Hey, I just came from the school!
I cant trust anyone here.Just give me time, and I will vote
Why he?:dizzy:
Maybe you should read the latest developpements in the thread before you post, my friend :bow:
If Caius is your choice, all townies should vote him, otherwise our mafiosi will bundle their votes to make sure yet another innocent gets lynched...
Wait a second.
stig investigated me.Im always at home.
Why Im the best option then?Im not sure.
Seamus Fermanagh
04-26-2007, 20:07
I know what you were supposed to do last night.
What about nights 5 and 6? You revealed after night 5, why did you only speak about what you did on nights 1, 2, 3 and 4 but not about 5?
I watched Stig, because of the vote-switching (actually you had more, but it's your normal style), but did not get a positive result.
Why would your role (which was granted at the beginning of the game) have an exotic name and the others not? That doesn't make much sense, does it?
It does seem inconsistent, I'll grant you that. As to the why part...? I didn't get an envelope though, just an at-start role PM. Format was P1 = role, P2 = mission & reminder that others not aware of role, P3 = "powers", P4 = admonition not to quote in or out of thread.
Because I still don't believe you Seamus :inquisitive:
Sorry to hear it. If you have to rally them against me, so be it -- but it won't cut down the opposition. Still, as you say, unified voting is wiser at this point, so if it's gotta be me for the town to move forward, well it is not as though my role is as powerful as the envelope-rs.
I'm still leaning toward Caius...and thwacking myself for being led off the scent in the mid-game.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 21:35
Seamus, if you watched Stig then you would have been at home but you were found to be not at home therefore you are scum.
Warmaster Horus
04-26-2007, 21:35
at-start role PM. Format was P1 = role, P2 = mission & reminder that others not aware of role, P3 = "powers", P4 = admonition not to quote in or out of thread.
My format was P1=role, P2=mission+power, P3=risk of being targeted by the mafia, P4=interdiction of revealing outside thread, after dead, or quoting PM, P5= demand of response within 24 hours.
Funnily enough it's slightly different from Seamus' PM. Although P5 may be optional, if Seamus doesn't have it means he's suspicious. Also, mine never said anything about others not knowing my role. Can anyone tell me if my format's the one they received, and if Seamus' format resembles a former Mafia game?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 21:42
Jesus, why aren't you people voting Seamus? Day is almost over and caius and no-lynch are tied for first. I haven't seen any evidence against caius and we know Seamus and TB are guilty. Hugh probably as well.
Seamus, if you watched Stig then you would have been at home but you were found to be not at home therefore you are scum.
Watched? I thought Seamus had a doctor role, as in protecting a player?
And why would Seamus be at home when he is watching someone?
I need some answer before putting a vote...
Also, if there are only two mafiosi left as someone suggested, why not voting for TwilightBlade as that will reduce the kills to one pr night?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 21:55
I am allowed to place a lucky charm -- magical deliciousness not guaranteed -- over someone's door to protect them for 1 night OR retreat to my shaman's cave/grotto and go into a trance which allows you see what someone is doing over the course of 1 night.
Since my magic is, apparently only so-so for efficiency (33% success -- thanks a lot Kommo ) my results have been haphazard.
I failed to protect Sasaki on night one.
I succeeded in protecting Ichigo night two.
I got no results on watch-mode for night 3 (T'blade) or night 4 (Andres).
I watched Stig, because of the vote-switching (actually you had more, but it's your normal style), but did not get a positive result.
Also, since stig was the watchman wouldn't he have been out? He should have gotten a positive result then.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 21:57
Also, if there are only two mafiosi left as someone suggested, why not voting for TwilightBlade as that will reduce the kills to one pr night?
Well, I believe we have to kill 2 of the original CosaNuova to reduce it to one. Maybe not.
Let me get this straight...
Stig watched Seamus the night he claims to have been in his cave, yet Stig got a result saying Seamus was out and about?
Could not this be a narrator slip up? Seamus was using his role hence he automatically is out?
It has been done before... I remember one in particular where I definitely was not doing anything that night, yet when being investigated I was not in my house… Hell of an explanation I had to do..
Sasaki Kojiro
04-26-2007, 22:14
Well I guess you're mafia too.
Well I guess you're mafia too.
I pmed my suspicions about Seamus to Andres earlier today... and I started writing a list of points on Seamus' claims and performance in this game.
I came to the conclusion that there are as many points pointing towards suspicion as there are towards innocence.
And that goes for all of the suggested mafia.
I sense no-one trusts me and hence I am left in the dark here. The correlation efforts are just…
To Hel with it… Vote:Seamus
Why is HughTower not posting?
Warmaster Horus
04-26-2007, 23:10
Hughtower not posting is probably not a strategy.. At this stage any player knows they have to participate as much as possible. In my opinion, he didn't have the possibility of accessing the internet for now.
I'll Vote:Seamus Fermanagh.
EDIT: reasoning comes from suspicion due to his role and actions. Also because no-vote is bad right now, I think.
Seamus Fermanagh
04-26-2007, 23:53
[COLOR=black]Could not this be a narrator slip up? Seamus was using his role hence he automatically is out?
That's what I understood to be the case. Apparently I am, however, at that point in the discussion where every utterance earns another vote.
Apparently, Sasaki has decided my guilt so it must be so. :cheesy:
Ah well.....
Kommodus
04-27-2007, 03:25
Sorry guys, some RL stuff has come up and I will have to extend the voting period. Count on it continuing until midnight on Friday (EST).
Make the most of this good luck, guys!
We need to focus on one player!
Warmaster Horus
04-27-2007, 08:25
Well, apparently Seamus is under the inquisition eye...
Little discussion going on here…
This is the time for you deadies to revenge your deaths…
Alright I’ll start. As I said I sent Andres a pm as a response to his pm.
He gave a list over the ones he suspected most. I returned his pm with a few points and added a player to that list and why – Seamus
As I told Andres how easy it would be to make a fake role by using some of the information you got in your mafia role description he followed up with his accusation post of Seamus.
Seamus’ role is the perfect mafia cover; a weak doctor role that will not get results.
The points that makes me suspicious of him:
As has been mentioned his role had a name: umufumu. This is a witch doctor in Rwanda.
All other roles have a descriptive name: Night watch, role blocker etc.
It is easy to hide behind a weak role to hide the fact that you get no results. I believe I did this as Godfather in “Gotta have more mafia”. And yes it does explain why you were out and about if someone watched you. He also has the ability to stay at home and meditate (watch mode). As a mafia you are not always the one performing the hit. And on such nights if you are being watched you will be found at home. A player with a doctor role can’t afford to stay at home during a night.
It looks like a made up role to hide a more sinister role i.e. a Casanova.
I have no data to back up the gut feeling I have that Seamus is not participating as much as he should. Last time he was mafia (with Reenk Roink as partner) I believe his activity went down quite a tad.
The points that works in behalf of Seamus:
I believe from reading Kommodus’ story that the detective (Agent) could inject the players with a serum that works 24 hours and resists the nanite invasion. This is definitely a doctor feature that works 100 percent.
For story purposes I can’t deny the possibility that a witch doctor is included in an African town. Now it is common knowledge that most of them are quacks. They are extremely lucky if anything they do actually works; hence the 33% chance.
It could be that a techno freak like Kommodus is making a little fun of the superstition of the third world in a ‘science beat superstition any day’ kind of way.
Warmaster Horus
04-27-2007, 09:43
Say, can someone make a vote count?
Current tally:
Seamus 3 (pever, Sigurd, Warmaster)
Caius F 2 (Seamus, Stig)
No lynch 2 (Caius, Twilight)
not voting 2 (HughTower, RoadKill)
Seamus: 3 (pever, Sigurd, WM)
No Lynch: 2 (Caius, TwilightBlade)
Caius : 2 (Stig, Seamus)
EDIT: Sigurd beat me to it.
Why I am still suspicious about Sigurd as well: you have experience with players faking roles and such. 1) why didn't you come up earlier with your accusations of Seamus? Your feeling that people didn't trust you is justified, so maybe you wanted to divert the towns' attention to somebody else in tempore non suspecto i.e. when you weren't in danger of getting lynched? 2) Why did you pm your suspicion? Were you afraid to cast your accusations in the thread yourself? Did you prefer to let a confirmed innocent spread the accusations?
Why I am still suspicious about Sigurd as well: you have experience with players faking roles and such.
I guess I started a trend…
1) Why didn't you come up earlier with your accusations of Seamus?
Your feeling that people didn't trust you is justified, so maybe you wanted to divert the towns' attention to somebody else in tempore non suspecto i.e. when you weren't in danger of getting lynched?
I tell you… having fooled the townies in two games puts the mark of Cain on you.
Nobody will believe a word you say if it sounds slightly intelligent.
I hadn’t really thought of Seamus until it suddenly struck me how I would have done things if I were mafia. It gave me a nagging feeling that Seamus was not posting his usual theories and analysis of the game.
2) Why did you pm your suspicion? Were you afraid to cast your accusations in the
thread yourself? Did you prefer to let a confirmed innocent spread the accusations?
Yes I was just thinking about Seamus when your pm came and you hadn’t even considered the possibility that he could be mafia.
It is true that I was reluctant putting forth my thoughts at that point. If Seamus really was paying attention he would see that most of what I said can be hurled back at me.
pevergreen
04-27-2007, 13:10
just as a bystander, i am beginning to understand, but as sapi has said, we need to all vote the one person. the mafia could control multiple votes here.
I guess I started a trend…
I tell you… having fooled the townies in two games puts the mark of Cain on you.
Nobody will believe a word you say if it sounds slightly intelligent.
Eh, people still believe you, seeing how Seamus got under fire. My questioning is because you made me realise that all options had to be kept open, which includes the possibility that you are guilty as well. You fooled the townies succesfully before, so why not trying it once more? And the explanation which basically comes down to "I wouldn't try it again, because nobody believes me anymore, so I must be innocent" is familiar to WIFOM...
I hadn’t really thought of Seamus until it suddenly struck me how I would have done things if I were mafia. It gave me a nagging feeling that Seamus was not posting his usual theories and analysis of the game.
Yep, his "analysing" came over to me as actually posting something that sounds helpful but in fact says nothing. He never took a "dissident" point of view, never disagreed with what the least suspicious townies posted. So, indeed his posting style felt rather odd. However, when he revealed his umufumu role, I believed it, because it sounded very very crazy. On the other hand, he had to come with something really good, since he wasn't at home when watched...
Yes I was just thinking about Seamus when your pm came and you hadn’t even considered the possibility that he could be mafia.
As I said, I did consider him to be mafia before he revealed his role.
It is true that I was reluctant putting forth my thoughts at that point. If Seamus really was paying attention he would see that most of what I said can be hurled back at me.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Are you saying you think it's suspicious that Seamus didn't defend himself better than he did?
And where are Caius, HughTower and Roadkill ? :inquisitive:
:whip: TALK ! :whip:
"I wouldn't try it again, because nobody believes me anymore, so I must be innocent" is familiar to WIFOM...
hehe... true to the core.
My credibility was shot after those two games and hence I developed the crazy townie. I am actually a little suprised that I am so easily belived in this game. It was just a matter of time before anyone "remembered".
(hmm ... I guess I am continuing the WIFOM huh?)
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Are you saying you think it's suspicious that Seamus didn't defend himself better than he did?
Not really... I am suprised he didn't attack me first with similar arguments. Even Sasaki has kept his mouth shut.
I have since I received the envelope been thinking; "Damn.. this will get me lynched for sure".
On the other hand, if you were mafia, it wouldn't make any sense for you to start casting doubts about Seamus at this moment. Since everybody believed firmly in his innocence, you picked a "dangerous" target.
HughTower and Caius would have been better choices for that. So you indeed took a risk by accusing Seamus, a risk a mafioso probably wouldn't take.
Hmmm... As far as I'm concerned, I grant you the benefit of the doubt.
After all the reasoning and argumentation we had on the matter, Seamus seems a logicial choice for a lynch.
Caius' "no lynch" vote disturbs me though. It doesn't make much sense. It seems like he and TB are waiting to switch their vote. And I don't like the complete absence of HughTower neither :inquisitive:
Warmaster Horus
04-27-2007, 17:24
Caius, TB, Hughtower, speak, now! :whip:
I think I'll be using the whip more, if this keeps up.
Warmaster Horus
04-27-2007, 19:53
2 hours later and nothing...
Caius and Hughtower are on invisible mode, which doesn't really help their case in my opinion...
Hughtower, though, hasn't posted since the 25th. Which means he's either keeping the lowest profile possible, which just puts him in the spotlight, or he's absent, and hasn't accessed the internet since. I'd go for the latter answer.
TB, though, doesn't have an explanation for being online at 1h50 GMT this morning (I think that was it) and not posting more.
This isn't helping....
What if I ... uvote and vote:Caius maybe we will get a response.
Current tally:
Caius F 3 (Seamus, Sigurd, Stig)
Seamus 2 (pever, Warmaster)
No lynch 2 (Caius, Twilight)
not voting 2 (HughTower, RoadKill)
This isn't helping....
What if I ... uvote and vote:Caius maybe we will get a response.
Current tally:
Caius F 3 (Seamus, Sigurd, Stig)
Seamus 2 (pever, Warmaster)
No lynch 2 (Caius, Twilight)
not voting 2 (HughTower, RoadKill)
If Caius is the lynch for today, it would be best if pever and Warmaster changed their vote to Caius as well...
In a worst case scenario of 3 CN's and 1 converted, we need 5 votes to make sure a mafioso gets lynched + a succesful block or protection tonight.
Warmaster Horus
04-27-2007, 21:20
I think Sigurd's change of vote was a pressure vote...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-27-2007, 21:25
What is Caius supposed to respond to?
Warmaster Horus
04-27-2007, 22:55
His no lynch vote must be changed... He said he voted that, and would then change it, after discussion or re-analyse of the thread.
He still hasn't done that...
Hughtower, though, hasn't posted since the 25th. Which means he's either keeping the lowest profile possible, which just puts him in the spotlight, or he's absent, and hasn't accessed the internet since.
Except for the mafia games where he participates and an occasional post in the Frontroom, HughTower never posts alot at the .Org. Add to that the fact that he is a very dedicated player, well, he is capable of keeping the lowest profile possible... And right now, there are not more than 3 votes on a player, with a second one with two votes. Don't forget TB is converted, so, as long as the lynch for today isn't at least in a two vote lead, the mafia can always pop up to turn the tides...
So all townies should vote one player. Caius, Seamus and HughTower seem the most suspicious to me, with a strong preference for Seamus, as I said before.
Alas, I cannot vote anymore, so it's up to you guys. Make up your minds, decide and vote en masse for the one you think is most likely to be one of the three original Casanova's:
Seamus
HughTower
Caius
Roadkill
Sigurd
I am going to bed... the lynching will be up before I get up so: unvote CF, vote:Seamus
Stig should vote with us to make sure the Casanovas don't make a tie or worse, get someone innocent lynched.
Why not join us TwilightBlade and RoadKill? .. HughTower? Caius?
RoadKill
04-28-2007, 00:46
For those asking where I am, I am always here reading the thread dont worry. It is just that i dont have anything productive to say. And for some reason i dont seem to see any suspicion in anyone. Vote: No lynch
Unvote:no Lynch
Vote:HughTower
I will try to be active.Talk now!
For those asking where I am, I am always here reading the thread dont worry. It is just that i dont have anything productive to say. And for some reason i dont seem to see any suspicion in anyone. Vote: No lynch
You are either playing very stupidly or are scum.
The town cannot survive with a no lynch this round.
@Caius - don't split the vote ffs.
Dutch_guy
04-28-2007, 02:20
For those asking where I am, I am always here reading the thread dont worry. It is just that i dont have anything productive to say. And for some reason i dont seem to see any suspicion in anyone. Vote: No lynch
No lynch will not* help the town at this stage of the game, it is ,however, a good option if you'd like to distance yourself from a doomed mafioso collegue.
Unvote:no Lynch
Vote:HughTower
I will try to be active.Talk now!
Why don't you start by saying why you placed your vote on Hugh. As he hasn't been saying a lot this round, something must have caught your attention in a previous round.
:balloon2:
PS:* it seems Sapi managed to type a bit faster than I was able to, point still stands though...
For those asking where I am, I am always here reading the thread dont worry. It is just that i dont have anything productive to say. And for some reason i dont seem to see any suspicion in anyone. Vote: No lynch
It seems you are helping Seamus, may I ask why?
I voted HughTower because he is lurking.He didnt said in any moment "I have problems" or "Im going to X place".Unless he came with something, I have to think that HughTower is lurking for evading votes.
Thats why
RoadKill
04-28-2007, 03:02
Sorry to all did not relize that 2 others have voted No Lynch already. But here i still do not know who to vote for, some help would be kindly appreciated.
HughTower
04-28-2007, 06:02
Sorry all, been away, & am slightly surprised to Seamus under the spotlight - Sigurd was always my favourite.
I've only scanned the thread, but for now I'd like to lynch Caius for his dramatic change in posting style.
Vote: Caius
Sasaki Kojiro
04-28-2007, 06:21
lol. You could have at least pretended to be innocent.
:laugh4:
I'd be inclined to vote Seamus after seeing Hugh ignore the accusations against him and vote Caius :yes:
Twilightblade
04-28-2007, 08:02
i don't know who to vote so ill wait a little longer b 4 changing from no lynch
Either Caius or Hugh seems innocent.
I'd go for Hugh, as he could vote something else to which the mafia would vote then. While Caius still tries to stay unnoticed.
Kommodus
04-28-2007, 08:08
Vote is tied 3-3 between Seamus and Caius. Next vote decides it.
Twilightblade
04-28-2007, 08:09
ahhhhh so confused
pevergreen
04-28-2007, 08:09
well well well. Who will break the tie?
The mafia could kill one of their own, but not likely.
Vote: Seamus then
I'd rather make the mistake myself then allowing the mafia to vote for a possible innocent
Kommodus
04-28-2007, 08:11
Voting closed. Seamus has been lynched.
It's late and I need to go to bed, so I'll do the writeup later. For now, consider it night phase.
pevergreen
04-28-2007, 08:22
For now, consider it night phase.
That looks ominous to me.
Voting closed. Seamus has been lynched.
It's late and I need to go to bed, so I'll do the writeup later. For now, consider it night phase.
Two possibilities: 1) we lynched a mafia :2thumbsup: 2) the town lost and Kommo enjoys to see us suffering in ignorance :evil:
But let's stay positive shall we?
You guys should start coordinating you actions for tonight.
Warmaster Horus
04-28-2007, 09:20
Hughtower, might you explain why you were absent?
HughTower
04-28-2007, 11:00
Hughtower, might you explain why you were absent?
My, this is strange! You sound just like my mother, b.........b........but, you're not my mother.
If I was a confirmed innocent then, I'd be more pro-active, but I realise everything I'll say will be taken with a large pinch of salt, & I have been reluctant to muddy the waters of the public debate with what I'm about to argue now.
I think the argument against Seamuswas tenuous at best - essentially it came down to the fact he was given a African role name & others weren't. A witch doctor is a purely African phenomenon, a night watchman isn't: that's an alternative hypothesis as to why that happenend. He did reveal under pressure, but that's the point of putting him under pressure surely?
Personally speaking, what swung for me was the fact that Sasaki was pushing the anti-Seamus movement hard, I'm more & more inclined to believe that his [Sasaki's] was a good lynch.
Roadkill & Caius both voted no lynch at the beginning of day, & then Caius moved to vote me (which given the tally at the time is the equivalent of a no lynch). This apparent unwillingness to commit themselves to a vote is very suspicious, &, if we get the opportunity of another voting day, needs to called to account.
Warmaster Horus
04-28-2007, 11:22
You sound just like my mother
Sounds like she'd be a good mafia player, then.
Anyway, everything anyone says (even from me, because I'm not the most perceptive person around) will be taken with a pinch of salt. It's just the way Mafia is played...
I think everyone should be pro-active; it shows not only a willingness of helping the town, but it's also a way not to be singled out.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-28-2007, 19:32
It's actually rather interesting that TB didn't vote.
It's actually rather interesting that TB didn't vote.
I think he did.
He voted No Lynch.I guess.
Warmaster Horus
04-28-2007, 21:41
Yep, TB voted no lynch, despite having said he'd change it.
He could have broke the tie, I expect, but he didn't. That's a good question, actually. Why didn't he change it?
The mafia's strategy, at this point at least, would be to lynch a maximum of people. Why then, did he not change his vote? Maybe, just maybe it's possible that both Caius and Seamus were mafiosi... And that TB, having been converted, couldn't very well eliminate one of them...
But I'm just contemplating here.
TB, explain why you didn't change your no lynch vote, please?
Yep, TB voted no lynch, despite having said he'd change it.
He could have broke the tie, I expect, but he didn't. That's a good question, actually. Why didn't he change it?
The mafia's strategy, at this point at least, would be to lynch a maximum of people. Why then, did he not change his vote? Maybe, just maybe it's possible that both Caius and Seamus were mafiosi... And that TB, having been converted, couldn't very well eliminate one of them...
But I'm just contemplating here.
TB, explain why you didn't change your no lynch vote, please?
Can converted players know who are the mafiosi?
Warmaster Horus
04-28-2007, 21:45
I assume they're told who the mafiosi are. Since they're mission is the same as the Mafia, they couldn't well do it if they tried lynching one of them. Their job is also to protect the original mafia.
This means that had GH, or one of the very experienced players been converted, we'd have lost already.
Can converted players know who are the mafiosos?
ehmmm ... *cough* Mafisosi
ehmmm ... *cough* Mafisosi
Sounds like a nasty cough. You should see a doctor my friend ~;)
ehmmm ... *cough* Mafisosi
*cough* mafiosi
Sorry, will fix that
Sasaki Kojiro
04-28-2007, 21:50
Either caius and seamus are both mafia, neither of them were mafia, or one of them was mafia and the other wasn't.
*cough*
The doctor will be busy tonight.
*cough* mafiosi
Sorry, will fix that
I am glad I could help.. :beam:
Either caius and seamus are both mafia, neither of them were mafia, or one of them was mafia and the other wasn't.
Why are you pessimistic?
I mean, why you say were like this is mafia victory?
Either caius and seamus are both mafia, neither of them were mafia, or one of them was mafia and the other wasn't.
:jawdrop: How did you figure that out? Amazing !
Sasaki Kojiro
04-28-2007, 21:59
:bounce:
The fact that converted townies aren't told who everyone is a good point. The fact that TB confessed to pever on the bus is a good reason to not entrust him with info. If I were mafia I would perhaps not contact him at all. So I don't think it's evidence of Caius's guilt.
Kommodus, can converted players carry out kills?
Warmaster Horus
04-28-2007, 22:05
Hey, I was just conjecturing on the possible reason for TB's lack of change in his vote.
I'd suppose, if converts aren't told of all the mafia, that they know who converted them.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-28-2007, 22:08
OP says different. My post was not directed at you.
pevergreen
04-29-2007, 00:42
I have been told, that converted players can attack (The attempt on me was by TB) but they do not know who the mafia are, they recieve information through Kommodus.
Kommodus
04-29-2007, 03:16
Kommodus, can converted players carry out kills?
Yes.
But does having a converted player give the mafia an extra kill?
Kommodus
04-29-2007, 03:52
But does having a converted player give the mafia an extra kill?
No.
Kommodus
04-29-2007, 05:01
Day 7
“You failed, Paul.”
The young Paul Rwigema huddled in the corner of his family’s living room, the floor now stained with blood. Outside the sharp crack of gunfire mixed with screams of the wounded and dying as rampaging bands of Interahamwe continued to cut a swath of destruction through the city. Inside the house, however, were only two living souls.
Tears of fear, anger, and confusion streamed down Paul’s face as he stared up into the malevolent eyes of a slightly older boy – someone he had thought he knew. They had been neighbors for years; they went to the same school and had occasionally eaten at the same table. Yet now the older boy’s face was twisted with a hate that made him unrecognizable. His fingers were knotted around a machete that dripped with the blood of Paul’s father and younger brother.
“You’re nothing but a cockroach – you and all your kind,” the boy sneered. “Too bad you can’t survive as well as the bugs. They’re all dead now – your family, your friends, everyone you cared about. You couldn’t stop it, and you can’t stop what’s going to happen now. It’s time to rid this country forever of you parasites.”
Paul couldn’t respond; anything he might have said caught in his throat as he sobbed. In the space of a few hours, his entire world had been destroyed.
The cold eyes of his former friend leered at him with no sign of emotion. The boy approached slowly, stepping over bodies and wreckage. “You failed,” he repeated as he raised the machete for the killing blow.
Suddenly a shot rang out. The boy shuddered and froze, looking down at the red patch that was already spreading across his white shirt. With a gurgle, he toppled to the floor and lay still.
In the doorway stood Paul’s mother, her trembling hand frozen around a small pistol. She raced through the room, wrapped her arms around her son, and cradled him as both sobbed.
…
“You failed, Paul.”
Coming out of his reverie, mayor Rwigema found himself staring into the accusing faces of the remaining people of Gisenyi. They were disturbingly few.
“It’s time to face the truth,” the speaker continued. “We’ve been trying to use this ‘community justice’ idea to combat a problem for which it is entirely unsuited. Gacaca was implemented to deal with the remaining Interahamwe, not to stop an organized criminal syndicate. It’s based on the assumption that we know our enemy. This is, quite plainly, not the case.”
“People,” he said, turning his attention away from Rwigema and to the rest of the assembly, “it’s time we stop doing the Cosa Nuova’s work for them. We must stop these executions at once!”
The mayor countered with an argument of his own. “And what would you have us do?” he asked. “We didn’t start the killings – they began and have continued in spite of everything we’ve tried. If we do nothing, we simply give the murderers leave to finish us off one at a time.”
In the end, a small number of people sided with the protester, but most agreed that some kind of action was required. Hope remained that they could yet be close to victory.
The discussion was long and tense. Everyone hesitated to speak, concerned with how they would be perceived. There was a definite sense that no one could be trusted and that all were suspected. However, in the end it came down to two people who received the most suspicion – Caius Flaminius and Seamus Fermanagh. Rwigema was forced to call for a vote.
Seamus Fermanagh gaped in disbelief as one of his former supporters, shaking his head sadly, got up and walked to the other group. At last the impasse was broken.
Before the mayor could speak, Seamus received a hard blow to the jaw from one of the surrounding men. He went down hard, spitting blood. Others gathered around and would have beaten the condemned man to death had not Rwigema intervened.
“Stop! STOP IT!” he cried. “There’s no need for this. Bring him here.”
Reluctantly, the people obeyed. “Seamus,” the mayor said, “if you have anything to say, the time is now.”
Seamus shrugged bitterly. “There’s nothing more to say,” he said sadly. “I’m innocent, but when the mob has made up its mind, nothing matters anymore.”
Several people scoffed angrily at this, but the time for discussion had ended. Mayor Rwigema put a swift end to the proceedings with a bullet to the brain of Seamus Fermanagh.
Vote Count
Seamus Fermanagh: 4 (pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Stig, Warmaster Horus)
Caius Flaminius: 2 (HughTower, Seamus Fermanagh)
HughTower: 1 (Caius Flaminius)
No Lynch: 2 (RoadKill, TwilightBlade)
Status List
Murdered
BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy
sapi
AndresTheCunning
Lynched
Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Seamus Fermanagh
Suicide
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo
Died of Mysterious Causes
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Destroyer of Hope
Still Alive
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
pevergreen
04-29-2007, 10:14
hmm...interesting write-up...
Warmaster Horus
04-29-2007, 10:42
Yes... Very cheerful, I think. Very pro- the idea that we're winning.
I thought it was one of his better ones.
Kommodus certainly writes them very well.
Seamus Fermanagh
04-29-2007, 16:52
Kommodus certainly writes them very well.
I agree whole-heartedly.
Warmaster Horus
04-29-2007, 19:31
Me too. Should do a nice book at the end...
Kommodus
04-30-2007, 06:17
Night 8
“In the famous story, the older brother, Cain, was a cultivator, and Abel, the younger, was a herdsman. They made their offerings to God – Cain from his crops, Abel from his herds. Abel’s portion won God’s regard; Cain’s did not. So Cain killed Abel.”
-Philip Gourevitch
To the outsider, telling a Hutu from a Tutsi is not easy; this makes the bitter conflict between the two groups particularly confounding to most foreigners. For most of the region’s history, the two ethnically similar peoples were part of a shared culture, having nearly everything in common – traditions, religion, territory, and even family. In the beginning, the only reliable distinction was economic – the Hutus were cultivators, while the Tutsis were herdsmen.
This distinction had never caused conflict until the arrival of Western colonists, who had instituted a regime of favoritism and oppression. Resentment crept into a once amicable relationship, and there it festered until exploding into open warfare and genocide many years later.
The simple economic distinction had faded long ago, and the fact that Stig made his livelihood from a dairy ranch in the nearby countryside meant nothing. Like most survivors of the genocide, he wanted few things more than the security and well-being of himself and his community.
An incident had taken place just before the killings began, though it had long ago been overshadowed and forgotten. One of his cows – a thin and mangy black one – had vanished during the night. Cattle thieves were common enough, but Stig was puzzled by their choice – especially when there had been better, healthier specimens to choose.
His mind was fixed on a completely different subject as he trudged home from the latest Gacaca assembly, desperately hoping he had made the right choice. Recent attacks on his person left little doubt he was a target.
Barely had he bolted the door behind him when he heard the sound of knocking. Immediately seizing an old shotgun from its place beside the door – he had only recently acquired the weapon – he opened the door slightly and peered out. Before his bewildered eyes stood a slight angular figure, dressed in black and wearing a cowl. In one hand the figure held the end of a role, the other end of which was tied around the neck of the old black cow.
“I’m here to return your property, Stig,” the man in black said simply.
Stig flung open the door and leveled the barrel of the shotgun at his visitor. “Don’t move!” he shouted, looking around for anyone else. No one was in sight; he would have to handle the situation himself.
Fortunately the visitor showed no signs of resistance; he complied easily with Stig’s demand. “I think an apology is in order,” he said. “I regret that is was necessary to borrow your animal for a little while without your permission.”
Stig was in no state to accept the apology. “I know who you are,” he growled. “What are you doing here? Why have you tried to kill me twice?” He cocked the shotgun to punctuate his question, keeping it aimed squarely at the man’s chest.
The man in black seemed unusually unconcerned. “I understand why you think that,” he said. “You are, however, mistaken. Our intention was never to kill you. We wish for you many of the same things you surely desire for yourself – enlightenment, purpose, significance.”
The man would have continued, but Stig cut him off. “You’re a liar and a madman!” he shouted. “I don’t know what you’re talking about, and I don’t want to know – we’ve all seen more than enough of what you bring. How can you kill so many people and then claim you want to do something good?”
“In fact,” Stig continued, “I don’t know why I’m even listening to you. There’s only one choice here!” With that he tightened his grip on the shotgun and squeezed the trigger.
His heart sank when all he heard was a “click.” The man in black gazed back, his lips twisted into a wry grin. In a flash he whipped out a small pistol and squeezed off two rounds straight into Stig’s exposed neck. Instead of bullets, however, Stig found himself pierced by two sharp darts. As pulled them out, his vision swam and he crumpled to the ground.
“As I said, we never intended to kill you,” the visitor said as he stepped over Stig and dragged him into the house. “We merely wished too… you see…” But that was all Stig heard, as consciousness fled from him.
…
Stig’s death was reported by one of his employees, a man who lived in the countryside and had only come to Gisenyi to collect his pay. He was mourned briefly by the few surviving villagers, but not for long. They were too preoccupied with their own survival.
As the tiny group prepared to depart the town for the grassy Gacaca clearing, mayor Rwigema looked distraught. “I fear,” he said to the people, “that we are near the end of our hope. This may be our last chance to stop whatever scheme the Cosa Nuova is planning. I only pray that we are not too late.”
Status List
Murdered
BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy
sapi
AndresTheCunning
Stig
Lynched
Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Seamus Fermanagh
Suicide
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo
Died of Mysterious Causes
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Destroyer of Hope
Still Alive
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Sigurd Fafnesbane
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Sasaki Kojiro
04-30-2007, 06:20
Hopefully that's good news and not another conversion.
Hey, I'd forgotten we lynched greaterkhaan.
pevergreen
04-30-2007, 07:16
Same....
I have a nasty feeling it was a conversion though.
Unfortunately, I'd say it's a conversion - if we'd got the mafia down to having one kill we'd have won (as TB + CN = 2 kills)
Let's see if Stig got any results from watching.
And who did Sigurd block last night?
I blocked Caius.
Now who did Stig watch?
And what about pever... he moaned something about Sasaki giving his role away.
shouldn't you have protected Stig?
I thought someone had correlated this? Andres? sapi?
I blocked Caius.
2 possibilities: 1) somebody got converted last night ; 2) Caius is mafia.
I'm leaning towards the latter.
Lynch Caius.
pevergreen
04-30-2007, 09:08
I blocked Caius.
Now who did Stig watch?
And what about pever... he moaned something about Sasaki giving his role away.
shouldn't you have protected Stig?
I thought someone had correlated this? Andres? sapi?
I protected you...
I protected you...
Ok...
I think I might have blocked Caius.
vote: Caius
Or you could have refrained from making a kill in order to cast suspicion on Caius.
You're still not clean, imo
Or you could have refrained from making a kill in order to cast suspicion on Caius.
You're still not clean, imo
what do you suggest then?
We are suspicious of Caius, HughTower and TwilightBlade and now me
Should we take the word of pever, TwilighBlade is the only confirmed mafia here.
But we will not win by taking him out... unless there is only one original mafia left.
If this is the scenario, taking out Twilight will result in only one attempt during the night.
HughTower has been a little off in this game.. At no point has he attacked me like he has in other games… why not this one?
Even I realize that I should at least be on the suspicion list. Why haven’t you pushed for my lynch Hugh?
Oh, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, Sigurd - but I wanted to make sure that everyone understands that you are in no way proven innocent and thus are not out of the question.
I watched Hugh, as I only told Andres, no results as I'm death.
And just from some advice, I'd vote Caius if I were still alive.
However:
that means that Seamus was a clear townie, as he voted Caius last night, same for Hugh.
Which ends with:
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Sigurd Fafnesbane
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
This game brings back memories of Mafia VI
pevergreen
04-30-2007, 12:26
Vote: Caius
HughTower
04-30-2007, 14:03
what do you suggest then?
We are suspicious of Caius, HughTower and TwilightBlade and now me
Should we take the word of pever, TwilighBlade is the only confirmed mafia here.
But we will not win by taking him out... unless there is only one original mafia left.
If this is the scenario, taking out Twilight will result in only one attempt during the night.
HughTower has been a little off in this game.. At no point has he attacked me like he has in other games… why not this one?
Even I realize that I should at least be on the suspicion list. Why haven’t you pushed for my lynch Hugh?
Why are we excluding Roadkill, may I ask? Have I missed something?
Blade's voting behaviour in the last round was, to quote Sasaki the Wise, 'quite interesting'. Whoever he voted for was bound to be considered innocent, & whoever he didn't, to be guilty. Not voting for anyone raises a number of possiblities.
In reply to your question, Sigurd, all I can say is that there are a number of factors. I have attacked you just once, I believe (Mafia VI ?), & that was because you were playing your 'crazy townie' role. It was that attack & that game, in fact, that made me think I should be less prickly, as explained earlier, while conducting myself in these games. And yes, you were on my suspect list, but if it's true what you say about blocking Caius, then you are no longer on it. Did you tell anyone else who you were going to block?
Why? Because of these facts:
The CN only got 1 kill.
We're very confident that the CN have the manpower to make 2 kills.
A CN suspect (Caius) was blocked.
"All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one", says the law of Occam's Razor.
In which case, Sigurd blocked Caius from making a kill, therefore Sigurd is innocent & Caius is CN.
I voted Caius last round, & have made a case against him previously. I think he should be our next lynch.
Vote: Caius
I watched Hugh, as I only told Andres, no results as I'm death.
And just from some advice, I'd vote Caius if I were still alive.
However:
that means that Seamus was a clear townie, as he voted Caius last night, same for Hugh.
There's always the possibility both Seamus and Caius are guilty...
Seamus has been prosecuting Caius throughout the whole game however. Don't know what to think of that though. Could have been an act, two mafiosi always attacking each other, to make us believe only one of us is guilty. I remember Seamus suggesting it once in a previous game as a possible mafia tactic, don't recall which game in particular that was.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-30-2007, 17:21
Ok. So we know there have to be 2 left so the mafia had 2 kills. So the possibilities are:
caius was roleblocked-->guilty
mafia chose to kill only one
conversion-->this would mean only one original left
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Sigurd Fafnesbane
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Well, we have obviously lynched one of the CN. It's possible we have lynched 2. Either way today is lynch or lose. I believe twilightblade is the only choice here. Sure we don't need to lynch him, but he is still valuable to the CN in endgame. It's easier to roleblock them if we know who can kill and who can't. Sigurd can block caius again either blocking a kill or forcing the mafia to either confirm caius as innocent or kill only one to keep up pretense.
If there were 3 CN they will still have 2 kills which means we will have to stop one of them. If there are 2 CN then lynching twilightblade will drop them to one kill.
If sigurd was mafia he would have seen the caius suspicion that sprung up, sent in one kill and claimed to block caius. Best move no question. 4 free townie kills.
Not even a defence Caius?
Kommodus
04-30-2007, 20:43
FYI, this round's voting will close on Tuesday at around midnight EST.
Not even a defence Caius?
Meh, why Im the only?
As far as I know, Im a weak townie.Since everyone wont believe me, I should go for voting myself.
Im not sure why, but I think that gkaan was mafia and Seamus too.
RoadKill
04-30-2007, 22:39
I am extremely extremely confused. As you all know i was comptly inactive during a period before, and I might have missed out on something. But why do we all know that Sigurd is innocent? Please fill me in here.
Why not place a vote on the player you think is a Casanova Roadkill... that goes for you too Caius.
I am extremely extremely confused. As you all know i was comptly inactive during a period before, and I might have missed out on something. But why do we all know that Sigurd is innocent? Please fill me in here.
No one said Sigurd is innocent.
Vote:No Lynch
it's obvious, lynch Caius :whip:
RoadKill
04-30-2007, 23:28
Okay, Vote: Sigurd
After Caius told me that, you do seem to be trying extremely hard to convince every single player that you are innocent and has actually roleblocked caius. Also Hughtower you are trying WAY too hard to defend Sigurd almost making it seem like your 100% sure hes innocnet when you did not have much to prove that. But meh. I might be wrong.
EDIT: Caius why No lynch, one of the players must be the mafia, and a No lynch isn't really the best idea right now.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-30-2007, 23:31
Why are you guys not lynching twilightblade?
edit: if there was a conversion it was almost certainly Sigurd as he has the power role and would be the prime target. The lack of kill is not evidence of caius's guilt.
Okay, Vote: Sigurd
After Caius told me that, you do seem to be trying extremely hard to convince every single player that you are innocent and has actually roleblocked caius. Also Hughtower you are trying WAY too hard to defend Sigurd almost making it seem like your 100% sure hes innocnet when you did not have much to prove that. But meh. I might be wrong.
I guess we got one out of lurking...
Please continue your reasoning.
I am not trying extremely hard to convince anyone that I role blocked Caius. I did put a block on Caius. Whether it had any effect, is yet to be proven.
Twilightblade
04-30-2007, 23:36
Because if I am a convert it gets them nothing as I would die if the real mafiaso were killed
Lets make a deal.
Lets lynch Twilightblade.
Dont block me.
If there are two kills, then lynch me, and I wont say a word
If there arent two kills, then dont lynch me
Lets make a deal.
Lets lynch Twilightblade.
Dont block me.
If there are two kills, then lynch me, and I wont say a word
If there arent two kills, then dont lynch me
:laugh4:
Sorry Caius... If there are two kills next night the mafia wins.
Good try
Can we get proof of that?
Why are you guys not lynching twilightblade?
Because he is a converted for sure ... dunno where the evidence to that got to
Lets make a deal.
Lets lynch Twilightblade.
Dont block me.
If there are two kills, then lynch me, and I wont say a word
If there arent two kills, then dont lynch me
By then the town has lost, you're soo mafia
And Roadkill as well
And Roadkill as well
May I ask why?
As you are the obvious mafia.
There might still be enough mafia around to turn the voting in favour of them. The town should all vote for the same person to win, everyone who votes for another one then the obvious target (YOU) is suspicious.
I wouldn't try to defend him btw, as a mafia the people who are defended by you are highly suspicious to start with
Think.
If I were a mafioso, why everyone is voting me?
Sorry Caius... If there are two kills next night the mafia wins
A good lie.
If there are 2 kills, that mean 4 townies, 1 conv, 1 CN
Unvote:No Lynch
Vote:Sigurd
Can we get proof of that?
yes you may
the players left:
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Sigurd Fafnesbane
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
we lynch TwilightBlade
remaining:
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warmaster Horus
two is killed:
remaining:
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
RoadKill
Warmaster Horus
Since two were killed it means two mafia... it is two on two and mafia wins.
How do you know you will be killed?:inquisitive:
How do you know you will be killed?:inquisitive:
If I am not blocking you... I will get killed so will pever
Sasaki Kojiro
04-30-2007, 23:55
Look at the endgame scenarious guys. The mafia win when there are equal numbers of scum and town. So lynching a convert is useful. If there are 2 CN left then we guarantee another round by lynching twilightblade. They will also only have one kill, and it will be possible to block it. Since caius's guilt isn't proven (unlike twilightblade) it's possible that we lose when we lynch caius in the 2 CN scenario.
In the 3 CN scenario we lose as soon as we lynch an innocent, where as if we lynch twilightblade we only lose if the mafia manage two nightkills.
Seamus Fermanagh
05-01-2007, 00:14
Look at the endgame scenarious guys. The mafia win when there are equal numbers of scum and town. So lynching a convert is useful. If there are 2 CN left then we guarantee another round by lynching twilightblade. They will also only have one kill, and it will be possible to block it. Since caius's guilt isn't proven (unlike twilightblade) it's possible that we lose when we lynch caius in the 2 CN scenario.
In the 3 CN scenario we lose as soon as we lynch an innocent, where as if we lynch twilightblade we only lose if the mafia manage two nightkills.
Original CN or total active? Surely you don't think all this lynching has missed?
what Sasaki says seems reasonable...
But that means everyone of us should make the change.
the current Tally is :
Caius 3 (Hugh, pever, Sigurd)
Sigurd 2 (Caius, RoadKill)
not voting 2 (Twilight, Warmaster)
Sasaki Kojiro
05-01-2007, 00:31
Original CN or total active? Surely you don't think all this lynching has missed?
No, I am certain that not all this lynching has missed.
But the only benefit in lynching one of the originals over one of the converted is ending the game a round sooner, which isn't exactly an advantage.
We have plenty of time to switch to twilightblade.
RoadKill
05-01-2007, 02:36
As you are the obvious mafia.
There might still be enough mafia around to turn the voting in favour of them. The town should all vote for the same person to win, everyone who votes for another one then the obvious target (YOU) is suspicious.
I wouldn't try to defend him btw, as a mafia the people who are defended by you are highly suspicious to start with
That is nonsense, as there is a possibility that Caius is mafia. Of course as town u would want to try to figure out who is the mafia and try to convince the rest of teh town to lynch the right mafia, but of what you speak of you sound like your 100% sure caius is mafia.
Well, imo, there are four suspects:
Caius
HughTower
Sigurd
TwilightBlade
If I understand it correctly, the "evidence" about TB being converted is that he told pever in real life (apparantly they live in the same neighbourhood or they go to the same school).
But there is always the possibility TB lied to pevergreen and that he is in fact an original Casanova...
Guys, please remember that Sasaki did not get murdered, he got lynched
His innocence is in no way proven, and I'd advise everyone to lynch Caius
Yup Sapi is right, lynch Caius, have you seen his defence?
Twilight will be the converted, there's no way you will tell someone in reallife lies about forum mafia-games, will be really sad if you do imo.
Horus needs to vote to put us in the safe
pevergreen
05-01-2007, 12:11
No, theres not.
I dont want either of us to be Wogged. so i wont say more until this game finishes, but there is no possibility of TB being an original mafia.
there is no possibility of TB being an original mafia.
In that case, Caius is the better lynch option. C'mon Warmaster, vote :whip:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-01-2007, 15:25
Yup Sapi is right, lynch Caius, have you seen his defence?
Have you seen his defense in any game? Mafia will always pick on an easy lynch target final round. It's completely ridiculous to not lynch a confirmed mafioso (the converted are just as dangerous as the unconverted). There is a lot of evidence against caius but he is not as sure a thing as twilightblade. You cannot dispute the truth of this.
Have you seen his defense in any game? Mafia will always pick on an easy lynch target final round. It's completely ridiculous to not lynch a confirmed mafioso (the converted are just as dangerous as the unconverted). There is a lot of evidence against caius but he is not as sure a thing as twilightblade. You cannot dispute the truth of this.
True, on the other hand, if there are still 2 CN's left, I don't see how lynching a converted one will help us win the game, since they will still have two kills left and they aren't going to help us by killing the suspects.
If Sigurd is mafia and he deliberately fooled us by only killing one player, than that means we don't have a roleblocker on our side and thus we need to lynch a CN and not a converted one.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-01-2007, 15:32
If there are 2 CN's left then they will have 2 kills even if we lynch one of them. TB can kill. Didn't Kommodus confirm this?
If there are 2 CN's left then they will have 2 kills even if we lynch one of them. TB can kill. Didn't Kommodus confirm this?
Why are you using invisble mode again?
understand it correctly, the "evidence" about TB being converted is that he told pever in real life (apparantly they live in the same neighbourhood or they go to the same school).
But there is always the possibility TB lied to pevergreen and that he is in fact an original Casanova...
Remember, mafia is a game of lies and deception.
And It can be a possibility
Sasaki Kojiro
05-01-2007, 15:59
Why are you using invisble mode again?
Hosting a game.
Alternative answer: Because I'm an eeevil eeevil mafioso :rolleyes:
Hosting a game.
Alternative answer: Because I'm an eeevil eeevil mafioso :rolleyes:
*cough*
You may not claim to be mafia.
*cough*
Bad Sasaki, breaking the rules :whip: And that from a staff member :no:
RoadKill
05-01-2007, 21:46
Sigurd can you please respond to my previous post, or are you just speechless?
Sigurd can you please respond to my previous post, or are you just speechless?
Maybe he is speechless because you started to talk near the end of the game after several weeks of lurking... :inquisitive:
Sigurd can you please respond to my previous post, or are you just speechless?
I have searched the last few pages and can't seem to find a post with a question from you directed at me..
Could you direct me to a postnumber?
[edit]: It seems RoadKill has left for the night... Anyone else know what this unanswered post is?
RoadKill
05-02-2007, 00:45
Seems i had a typo sort of thing before, my apoligizes, but what i meant was could you explain more thourghly why you are so sure Caius is mafia.
Kommodus
05-02-2007, 02:09
Current tally:
Caius: 3 (Hugh, pever, Sigurd)
Sigurd: 2 (Caius, RoadKill)
Not Voting: 2 (TB, Warmaster)
Voting closes in 3 hours.
Kommodus
05-02-2007, 05:41
Voting closed. Stand by for execution.
Twilightblade
05-02-2007, 06:01
Well it looks like I missed the voting
pevergreen
05-02-2007, 07:25
With no reason. You managed to look through the thread multiple times today.
Seems i had a typo sort of thing before, my apoligizes, but what i meant was could you explain more thourghly why you are so sure Caius is mafia.
Well... it doesn't matter now does it?
Well... it doesn't matter now does it?
Well it does, in case the game isn't over yet... Do you know for sure the game is over now? If so, how do you know :scared: ?
Kommo didn't say "consider it night" this time... Did we win or lose? :sweatdrop:
pevergreen
05-02-2007, 08:49
Standing By
Do you know for sure the game is over now? If so, how do you know :scared: ?
:sneaky:
HughTower
05-02-2007, 11:33
I take it then we are interpreting this silence as an ominous one?
Let me be the first to congratulate townie mafioso Cosa Nuova operatives who won the game :shakehands:
HughTower
05-02-2007, 11:54
Let me be the first to congratulate townie mafioso Cosa Nuova operatives who won the game :shakehands:
How do you know that?
How do you know that?
Maybe because he was CN (Tran got lynched) ?
And I also noticed Sasaki not using invisible mode any longer. Did he and Sigurd fool us?
~:confused:
C'mon Kommo, don't be so cruel! Post! :whip:
Kommodus
05-02-2007, 13:43
Grr... sorry for my silence, guys. I got distracted by something. I hope to have the execution up at least by noon (EST).
Warmaster Horus
05-02-2007, 14:14
Sorry for mine too. I'll be generally less active on the Org, but I'll do my best for these games. I should be on by 3 GMT everyday. So... Kommodus, is it night yet?
Grr... sorry for my silence, guys. I got distracted by something. I hope to have the execution up at least by noon (EST).
Is it night?
HughTower
05-02-2007, 17:18
Why have you changed your name?
Not feeling cunning anymore?
Kommodus
05-02-2007, 17:25
Is it night?
Yes.
Warmaster Horus
05-02-2007, 17:32
GOOD!!!
That should mean we're still safe...
GOOD!!!
That should mean we're still safe...
Or the mafia has won and is allowed to kill the remaining living...
Did somebody pm Sigurd about who to block this night...?
Kommodus
05-02-2007, 20:55
Day 8
When the Black Death ravaged Europe, the afflicted populace desperately cast about everywhere for an explanation. Not surprisingly, the blame fell upon the “oddballs” in their midst – foreigners, those of different faith, and the diseased or defective. Terrified mobs fell upon Jewish and Muslim communities with unheard-of ferocity, willing to go to any length to ensure the safety of themselves and their families.
A similar phenomenon had occurred in Rwanda, when a band of propagandists and thugs had managed to hoodwink the majority into thinking they were in a “kill-or-be-killed” scenario. If they didn’t participate in the great purge, the “enemy” (the minority group) would violently take their freedoms, and even their very lives. Anyone who failed to do his part in the great undertaking would be seen as complicit in the crime, and treated accordingly. Thus it was that many who would normally have been peaceful, gentle people were led to the blackest depths of depravity.
The old and bitter story was repeating itself in Gisenyi, as the few remaining frightened villagers turned on the most misunderstood member of the community. Caius Flaminius’ first language was neither French nor Kinyarwandan; as a result, communication with most of the community had always been difficult. Another strike against him was his recent arrival in the country; a wandering vagabond, he had often boasted that he had no home. It was becoming painfully clear that he had no home in Gisenyi.
“You’ve been allowed to work your mischief for far too long,” someone said accusingly. “Didn’t the murders start only just after you came here?”
Others came forward one at a time to add their own damning evidence against Caius. The accused man struggled to defend himself, his words nervously coming forth as broken sentences, punctuated by awkward pauses as he struggled to find the right words. His stuttering, unsurprisingly, was interpreted as guilt.
“Let’s end this!” shouted one of the people. “We’ve lost far too many good people to this madman. Kill him and save the rest of us!” Despite a few dissenting voices, a clear majority supported the execution of Caius.
As he was dragged before the mayor, the condemned man’s shoulders sagged, his face utterly despondent. Mayor Rwigema spoke. “Caius, you are accused of being one of the most heinous criminals ever to set foot on this land. You have conspired to end the lives of many of our countrymen, killing them in cold blood. Do you have anything to say?”
Caius looked at a loss for words. He shook his head sadly, fear plainly evident on his face. But there would be no more time for reflection, as machete in the mayor’s hand flashed one more time, slicing through the air and Caius’ flesh and bone.
The mayor addressed the tiny assembly. “Let us hope,” he said, “that we have at last placed this nightmare behind us. I hope we were correct in our actions tonight. It is time for all of us to go home and rest.”
Vote Count
Caius Flaminius: 3 (HughTower, pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 2 (Caius Flaminius, RoadKill)
Not Voting: 2 (TwilightBlade, Warmaster Horus)
Status List
Murdered
BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy
sapi
AndresTheCunning
Stig
Lynched
Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Seamus Fermanagh
Caius Flaminius
Suicide
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo
Died of Mysterious Causes
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Destroyer of Hope
Still Alive
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Sigurd Fafnesbane
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
You dont understand!
You have made your own funeral!
How can you dare to lynch poor old Caius!
old Caius!
I thought you were only 15?
I thought you were only 15?
16 tomorrow :D
HughTower
05-02-2007, 21:23
Andres - why won't you explain your name change to me? You were cunning this morning.....
Andres - why won't you explain your name change to me? You were cunning this morning.....
Nobody ever bothers to call me "AndresTheCunning", so I thought it would be better to get rid of the unneeded "TheCunning" part. It's easier for people who want to send me a PM as well.
HughTower
05-02-2007, 21:46
Nobody ever bothers to call me "AndresTheCunning", so I thought it would be better to get rid of the unneeded "TheCunning" part. It's easier for people who want to send me a PM as well.
Oh, shame, I rather liked it. Your avatar looks a little forlorn without his epithet now.:lost:
And off course, I hope the combination of this innocent looking avatar and the less suspicious sounding name "Andres" will help me in mafia games.
Getting lynched is a very unpleasant experience...
Getting lynched is a very unpleasant experience...
Tell me that to me.
Alright... what is taking so long?
The mafia are having problems deciding who to kill or something?
Is pever a protector or is he infact a suicide bomber with his trigger on the bomb that will put any Casanova into the grave?
Is Sigurd blocking the one performing a hit tonight?
Let us get the answers Kommodus.:whip:
Is pever a protector or is he infact a suicide bomber with his trigger on the bomb that will put any Casanova into the grave?
Is Sigurd blocking the one performing a hit tonight?
You should add
Know it in the next episode of..Cosa Nuova
Is Sigurd a mafioso who fooled us all an can't wait to celebrate his victory?
Is Sigurd a mafioso who fooled us all an can't wait to celebrate his victory?
You know it is against the rules to claim to be a Mafioso in this game. :beam:
Is Sigurd a mafioso who fooled us all an can't wait to celebrate his victory?
RodaKill had the point.
Kill from the dead land:Sigurd
HughTower
05-03-2007, 15:58
Is Sigurd a mafioso who fooled us all an can't wait to celebrate his victory?
Mmmmm, interesting. I certainly know I saw him running down the street with a bundle of letters, which included three Ns & a C, under his arm. I didn't think anything of it at the time.
:juggle2:
Kommodus
05-03-2007, 16:04
Alright... what is taking so long?
The mafia are having problems deciding who to kill or something?
Is pever a protector or is he infact a suicide bomber with his trigger on the bomb that will put any Casanova into the grave?
Is Sigurd blocking the one performing a hit tonight?
Let us get the answers Kommodus.:whip:
1. Extremely busy with work right now.
2. Mild case of writer's block.
With luck I hope to get the next installment up tonight.
Seamus Fermanagh
05-03-2007, 16:08
1. Extremely busy with work right now.
2. Mild case of writer's block.
With luck I hope to get the next installment up tonight.
So high quality work requires a little time? No surprises there. Despite my death, I've very much enjoyed the game thus far. Keep up the fine writing.
2. Mild case of writer's block.
Huge amounts of alcohol my friend, huge amounts...
~:cheers:
pevergreen
05-04-2007, 00:26
Or am i a Battle Mage that has cross-classed with a paladin so i am 3 paly/9 sorcerer, weilding a +2 greataxe of lesser goblin bane that continually casts burning hands and detect secret doors? :inquisitive:
RoadKill
05-04-2007, 04:15
I knew it I was right Sigurd is mafia.
Kommo's boss should be put in jail.
It's not right that his job interferes with the important things in life, like the next write-up in Cosa Nuova II.
And if he is his own boss, Kommo should be put in jail. With a laptop and an internet connection, granting only acces to the Org's gameroom...
...with the important things in life, like the next write-up in Cosa Nuova II....
Check your doctor :nurse:
Myrddraal
05-04-2007, 11:01
Gripping stuff :grin:
Twilightblade
05-04-2007, 11:45
sooooo what have i missed?
sooooo what have i missed?
:laugh4:
Kommodus
05-05-2007, 08:51
The Conquest of the Cosa Nuova
Two anonymous figures peered over the edge, poised on bended knee, and gazed down into the dusty scrubby gully that lay stretched out before them. Despite the increasingly heated urgings of the mid-morning sun and the stifling cloak of humidity, their coarse black woolen cowls remained up around their ears, while rough rope sashes were firmly knotted around their waists. The only part of them that moved was their eyes, which twitched as they scanned the angry gash in the landscape below, lingering over every crevice, every swirl of dust, and every hurried flurry of startled wildlife that they settled upon.
Suddenly, their heads jerked imperceptibly in the same direction; they paused and glanced at each other. Without a sound, they rose to their feet and silently jogged off eastward along the top of the cliff, both with the same methodical shuffle, which looked almost unnatural in its consistency.
As his foot slipped down the face of another rock and sent a sharp twinge up to a gently twisting knee, RoadKill stumbled and sent another expletive flying off into the cliff-face. Ten feet ahead, the implacably Gallic features of Warmaster Horus looked back at his bodyguard, tightened into a disgusted sneer, and turned back to scout his route ahead. He'd ridden in with the so-called UN peacekeeping force in '98 – a thinly-veiled disguise for an intervention by the embarrassed ex-colonial masters – as a political scientist, charged with the job of re-building the institutions of government and to ensure that France's legacy and language retained their primacy in the country. The only institution he'd ended up building was his copper mining business, and the only man he'd enriched was himself. Their 4x4 had ground to a halt up the road by the top of the ravine, coughing and spluttering consumptively as it choked its last. RoadKill had suggested in his usual sullen fashion that following the gully was the shorter way into town.
Ahead of them to the east, the gully was starting to open up a little: the ground underfoot was less rocky and more alluvial; the cliffs on either side seemed to close in less and began to angle up towards the pasture land that lay on the plateau above. RoadKill tapped his master on his shoulder, and proffered him the water-bottle. Horus accepted and drank greedily.
As he tipped it back down, the sharp violent crack of a rifle shot whipped through the air, crashing and reverberating along the gully walls from where they had just come. Both men dove to the ground, seeking cover vainly from some unseen foe. Two more shots in rapid succession followed, but there wasn't the fizz or thud of nearby bullets to cause them any further alarm. They stayed crouched behind some scrub, now with their heads up, looking up the slope ahead in the direction of the noise.
They heard a new sound now, one not as easily recognizable as the last, but just as distinctive. It started as a low bass drumming, one that was constant but irregular and ever-increasing, both in tempo and in proximity. Within seconds, it was a rumble – or more accurately, waves of rumbles, which crashed around their ears as if from both near and far, seeming to shake the very earth beneath their feet.
They grimaced and fixed their eyes on top of the slope in front of them as the first line of black heaving shapes crested the brow of their horizon. The first line begat a second, which blurred into a third, now a fourth, then into a heaving amorphous phalanx pouring over the top, down the slope, and inexorably towards their position. As the realization of this particular horror dawned on both men, they stood and turned as if to flee, but momentarily remained transfixed as they gave the scene one last look to be sure their eyes were not deceived. Only when the lead cow was thirty yards away did they start to run. Primal yells escaped their mouths involuntarily and disappeared into the roaring maelstrom that pursued them. Within seconds, the stampede swallowed them, and they were hauled down onto the floor unceremoniously, limbs jerking like marionettes.
A minute later, when the noise had abated and an eerie stillness pervaded all, two figures with a familiar shambling gait broached the brow of the hill and made their way down to where Warmaster Horus and RoadKill lay. One stooped quickly at each body in turn, checked their necks for the faintest of pulses, and nodded at the other. Two large syringes were produced from the folds of his robe and were plunged roughly into the base of each unconscious victim's spine. The acolytes turned westward, and raised their hand as if in salute to a third figure that stood up on the cliff by their earlier vantage point. The figure lingered there for a moment, then raised his hands up to the brim of his cowl and pushed it back. With one final glance at the slim black PDA in his hand, he turned on his heel and walked slowly away.
…Two days ago…
The color drained from Agent Harrison’s face as he stared at the terminal screen. His hand reached instinctively for the intercom system, and he frantically dialed a number. Speaking into the receiver, he tried to keep his voice calm. “Rowland?” he said. “It’s Agent Bayingana. We’ve lost contact.”
Harrison pulled the receiver back from his ear a little, as the voice on the other end suddenly became so loud that anyone in the room could’ve understood the bitter stream of expletives. After listening for about a minute, he spoke again.
“No… no, it’s too late for that. We’ll never get another agent infiltrated in time… yes, I understand… I agree; containment is our only option at this point. I don’t like it any more than you do, sir… of course. Eradication teams are already being prepped.”
With that, he replaced the receiver and buried his face in his hands. Never had he dreamed he would be complicit in an act such as the one about to be carried out. Deep inside he prayed he would find redemption someday. At this same time, he hoped they would not be too late.
…Present day…
Mayor Rwigema was exasperated. In a little over a week, Gisenyi had been transformed into a virtual ghost town. His frantic appeals to Kigali for reinforcements had gone unheeded, and now most of the few remaining inhabitants were inexplicably nowhere to be found. He moved from house to house, his two-man personal guard in tow, as they searched for signs of life. At last he received an answer when he came to the home of pevergreen.
“Pevergeen! Have Warmaster or RoadKill returned yet?” Pever shook his head, looking puzzled.
“What about HughTower, or Sigurd? Have you seen anyone?”
“I’m afraid not,” replied pever. “I’ve been here the whole morning, and haven’t heard so much as a car engine or the sound of footsteps.”
The mayor signed heavily. “You received my instructions a few days ago, though – did you do what I asked of you?”
“Of course,” replied pevergreen. “For all the good it’s done – not one person fell into my booby trap. It’s as if they somehow knew what I was doing the entire time.”
Rwigema shook his head, seizing pevergreen’s arm. “It doesn’t matter now,” he said urgently. “The only thing we can assume is that we’re too late. We have to get out of here, now!” He and pevergreen, along with the guards, raced out of the house and began to make for one of the only vehicles left in town, the mayor’s camouflage-painted van.
The small group stopped dead in their tracks as three figures stepped out of a building and into the street about thirty yards ahead. Two wore robes and rope sashes, with cowls covering their faces, but the identity of the third was plain for all to see.
“So you’ve finally decided to flee?” shouted HughTower sardonically. “Does this mean the mayor of a dead city is finally read to admit defeat?”
“HughTower!” shouted Rwigema in frustration and anger. “So you’re the one responsible for all this! It’s time to put an end to your insanity!” He motioned to his guards. “Seize him!” he shouted. “I want that man apprehended immediately, dead or alive!”
“Oh, it’s too late for that,” said the grinning HughTower. Out of his cloak he drew a small black PDA and swiftly pressed some buttons on it. The guards which had just began to run towards HughTower and his companions suddenly froze in their tracks. Turning about, they rushed back towards the mayor and pevergreen with jerky yet swift steps.
“Stop! What are you doing?” yelled pevergreen as one of the guards grabbed him by the shoulders. He looked into the man’s face, noticing that his eyes were glazed over and unseeing. He struggled to push the guard away, glancing over to see that mayor Rwigema was engaged in a tussle of his own.
Before pevergreen and Rwigema could get the upper hand, however, HughTower motioned to his two companions. Simultaneously the two men pushed back their cowls to reveal their identities – TwilightBlade and Sigurd Fafnesbane.
The two robed men approached swiftly, and soon the fight was four against two. Faced with such overwhelming odds, pevergreen and the mayor were quickly subdued. “Bind them!” ordered HughTower, and his order was quickly carried out.
The victorious Cosa Nuova operative sauntered over to the glaring mayor. “As you can see, our victory is complete,” he boasted. “The minds of your people now belong to us. No longer will they be used for their own narrow and selfish ends, but for our grand and noble purposes. If you had any sense of how the world is about to change, you would thank us.”
Rwigema shook his head. “I don’t know how you’ve done this, or what you hope to accomplish,” he said, “but after all the suffering and death you’ve caused, I could never believe that the Cosa Nuova cares anything for the good of humanity. Yes, I know about your organization. Terrorists, criminals, and murderers! The entire world hates you, and your twisted scheme will collapse when every government on the planet unites to destroy you!”
HughTower turned his back and walked away a bit. “The world has always hated us,” he mused, “because they do not recognize us.”
He looked back. “But they will recognize us,” he said through gritted teeth. “Our visionary scientists and researchers have expanded our knowledge to unheard-of depths. Oh, you backward people gave us some trouble. You killed one of our finest medical practitioners, Seamus Fermanagh. And I’ve rarely met a man as uniquely clever and creative and greaterkhaan. They were the two who came here with me, and they will be missed. Still, if they could see what will come of their sacrifices, they would be more than satisfied.”
HughTower then glanced from Sigurd to TwilightBlade, then to the two guards. “This small network of minds may not look like much yet,” he said. “Yet even at this early stage, it has proven its worth. These few nodes have collectively managed to crack some of the most complex systems of cryptography in the world… starting with a particularly crucial one.”
“What do you mean by that?” asked pevergreen.
“What I mean,” replied HughTower, “is that while I would like nothing better than to add your minds to our network, we unfortunately do not have the time. Within fifteen minutes this city and an area of five square miles around it will be nothing more than a blackened, smoldering crater.”
Mayor Rwigema glanced at pevergreen, and the color drained from his face.
“Yes, Mr. Mayor,” said HughTower. “You’re not the only ones who knew we were here. There is an organization that will resort to any means to stop our mission – even the destruction of an entire town. We’ve decoded their communications, and there’s no doubt – this entire town is about to be annihilated, just to destroy our experiment.” He snorted derisively. “And they call us barbaric.”
With that he addressed his converts. “It is time for us to make our exit,” he said. “There’s no need to kill these two – an entire flight of bombers is on its way to take care of that for us. Simply make sure they can’t go anywhere.”
Thus, pevergreen and the mayor were dragged, protesting, to an old broken-down car and shoved into the trunk, which was locked securely. Wasting no time, HughTower and his companions headed for Rwigema’s van, and were soon making a quick exit from the doomed city of Gisenyi.
Several minutes later, pevergreen and Rwigema heard a sound like approaching thunder. It was the last thing they heard, as dozens of British bombers zoomed overhead, releasing their payloads. They, along with all that was left of Gisenyi and the surrounding countryside, were incinerated in the blast.
At that moment, a camouflage-painted van carrying five people was crossing the border into the Congo a short distance northeast of the city. HughTower, in the driver’s seat, grinned and chuckled softly. This was only the beginning.
RESULT: COSA NUOVA VICTORY
Final Status List
Murdered
BlackAxe3001 – Night Watchman
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy – Agent Bayingana, Bodyguard (Envelope Role)
sapi – Night Watchman
AndresTheCunning – Doctor (Envelope Role)
Stig – Night Watchman (Envelope Role)
Warmaster Horus – Vigilante
RoadKill
pevergreen – Dirty Bomb (Envelope Role)
Lynched
Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan – Cosa Nuova
Seamus Fermanagh – Cosa Nuova
Caius Flaminius
Suicide
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo
Died of Mysterious Causes
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Destroyer of Hope
Still Alive
HughTower – Cosa Nuova
TwilightBlade – Cosa Nuova (Converted Night 4)
Sigurd Fafnesbane – Role-blocker (Envelope Role), Cosa Nuova (Converted Night 8)
Fantastic game Kommodus :bow:
@the CN
Good work!
Did you actually know who you were killing, or was it just random?
pevergreen
05-05-2007, 09:41
Aggh! If only Andres had not have protected me!!!!
CountArach
05-05-2007, 09:51
Congrats CN!
I knew all along who you were...
Warmaster Horus
05-05-2007, 10:23
GAH! And I was sure the town would be able to last one more turn...
Well played Cosa Nuova. It's a good thing we at least lynched two of you. Shows we're not entirely incompetent.
Great game, Kommodus. Very nice, and very enjoyable. Should we expect a write-up, soon?
HughTower
05-05-2007, 10:24
Fantastic game Kommodus :bow:
@the CN
Good work!
Did you actually know who you were killing, or was it just random?
Great game, Kommodus, really enjoyed it as you can imagine!
A fuller answer to this question will come in our write-up, but the only totally random role-kill on our part was the BlackAxe at the beginning, the others had varying degrees of estimation.
I'll try & put a write-up over the next 3 or 4 days, but in meantime I'd like to congratulate my esteemed colleagues, Khaan & Seamus, & also,Blade & Sigurd, for their significant support. :2thumbsup:
Good game town.
Aggh! If only Andres had not have protected me!!!!
And if you hadn't revealed ...
Great game Kommodus, and HURRRRAY!! long live the mafia :2thumbsup:.
Warmaster Horus
05-05-2007, 10:29
Sigurd's right. You weren't very subtle pevergreen, with your "attack me CN, go on!" and "why won't anyone attack me?".
pevergreen
05-05-2007, 11:31
:beam:
Ah well, I dont think not revealing would have done anything, TB would have attacked me, and we would have been a townie down.
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