Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 5

sapi

04-19-2007, 08:13

The desperate PM? I wanted to know, that's all.

What I was hiding is my role: I'm the Vigilante, who one time during the game, can kill one person.
I killed Xehn II, because of what I posted before, his suspicious activity and to avoid us making a useless lynch now or even later on.
I think, fear in fact, that my choice was useless. But, better to do something than not to, right? I also asked someone else, who agreed with my choice.
That someone was me. I was informed of Horus' identity in the N4 note, as he was of mine, and so i can vouch for him as unconverted, bona fide townie (or, at least he was then)

I have the ability to watch one person per night, and if they are attacked, I will discover the identity of their attacker.

Alas, my partner, BlackAxe, was killed turn 1 (if only we'd watched each other :wall:) and I have not yet witnessed an attack.

Now for my commentary on the game itself: I don't trust pever.

I've been having a pm conversation with him since yesterday, and he's come across as entirely unconvincing in his arguements (and he flatly refused to post something that would 'hurt the mafia' in the main thread, also refusing, as he should, to reveal it in private).

He probably is innocent, and the last thing we need is a distraction right now, but I think that we should at least be open to the idea that the man with a syringe that attacked him was not necessarily a CN operative.

pever, consider yourself asked in public. Reveal.

I can confirm that if infact, the crossbow killer was a townie, he/she recieved an envolope.

Proof, please
That would break some rulez.
And what rule would that be?
ive kind of revealed in thread
Interesting. Some proof would make it even more so...
cant say anything. Ive left it all to whatever you think. If you make me reveal in thread, the mafia wouldnt be happy.
The mafia wouldn't be happy?

Are you trying to tell me that you've been converted?
I cant reveal privately. Get me to reveal in thread, and the mafia wont be happy, and i will be. Its not be for you, its bad for them.
Then reveal without prompting.

I'm not showing my hand.

Ho HO someone being suspicious.

As for my vote:
Unvote; Vote: Caius

Logic:
1) I'm innocent => his vote is scummy
2) He's been proven by the process of elimination as someone who does not have a role. I sincerely doubt that Kommodus did not send envelopes to everyone without a role already.
3) He's the most experienced of the potential mafia, and thus should go first.

Warmaster Horus

04-19-2007, 08:17

4-11

Excuse me, but what's that supposed to mean?

On another note, thank you sapi for revealing. I, too, will Vote:Caius Flaminius.

He says sapi appears in discussion then disappears, yet he hardly does better, I think. Although I'm inclined to vote pevergreen because of his PM conversation with sapi.

Also, where are Hughtower and greaterkhan?

sapi

04-19-2007, 08:21

Excuse me, but what's that supposed to mean?
4 CN, 11 Townies?

Sounds about right, and very depressing.

pevergreen

04-19-2007, 08:50

Ah... Im no mafia!

I was being secretive, because i was annoyed that i was protected!

My envelope?

I wasnt finished putting RDX up last night....:evilgrin:

You cant say no one else here plays Battlefield 2142... Its C4.

My house is rigged with explosives, If i am attacked by mafia, i take 'em with me! So i was annoyed when i was protected, lost the chance of taking a mafia out. So, I believe that I will die tonight..along with Twilightblade...:evilgrin:

Warmaster Horus

04-19-2007, 08:54

Why do you think TB's going to die?

Andres

04-19-2007, 09:08

4 CN, 11 Townies?

3 CN, 1 converted, 11 Townies.

We only need to kill/lynch the 3 CN...

pevergreen

04-19-2007, 09:18

The one converted is...? I know of a converted, i just need enough infomation to fully prove it.

sapi

04-19-2007, 09:19

Leave the converted; target the originals.

Warmaster Horus

04-19-2007, 09:20

Say, where are we with our "revealed list"?
How many people haven't revealed?

EDIT: apparently these people are suspect:

Caius Flaminius
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
RoadKill
TwilightBlade

pevergreen

04-19-2007, 10:16

Let me make a subtle change to that

Caius Flaminius
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
RoadKill
TwilightBlade

Killfr3nzy

04-19-2007, 11:38

Your change was not subtle enough; :whip:.
Also, Sapi, why leave someone alive if we're very certain they're converted (not that we are :no: ), do we know that they can't attack us?
Pever claims to have a suicide role. He claims Twilight to be converted. He also says that he think's TB will try and kill him tonight.
The only evidence on the thread is that the unsuccesful hit didn't seem like the other ones; neither a crazy sneaky method nor an abduction.

sapi

04-19-2007, 11:43

@Killfr3nzy - because we don't need to kill the converted and it wastes a round (unless they get a kill, which I doubt)

pevergreen

04-19-2007, 11:44

True, I see it but im not sure Caius is a better lynch than Twilight.

HughTower

04-19-2007, 12:23

I am here, Warmaster, thanks for asking. Was out at a gig last night & missed all of the fun in here (The Kings of Leon, however, were most definitely worth it:thrasher: )

So the numbers are:

2 or 3 CN (it's possible that Sasaki or Xehh were CN)
5 pro-town roles,
1 confirmed innocent,
7 unknowns/townies

I see we've excluded Destroyer of Hope from our unknown list, any reason for this, or is it simply inactivity? He was reasonably talkative early on, was he not? I think his exclusion is not yet warranted. So that gives us as unknowns:

Caius Flaminius
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
RoadKill
TwilightBlade
Destroyer of Hope

It is right that we should focus on this list as the most likely source of mafia,. I've excluded myself for obvious reasons. My views on their suspectability are as follows:

CF - always a suspect in every games he plays, & almost always innocent. HOWEVER, He is playing with more care here, & that could well be symptomatic.
Dutch - has answered well & coherently every question I've put to him, but he's clever enough to be running under the radar. The CN have left the talkers alive, which, as Andres says, is his style. If he's innocent, we really don't want to lose his vote, because he'd do the right thing.
Khaan - my read on him is that he's a new player whose eagerness drew attention to himself in the early stages. Drew votes from early on so still alive (but that is a WIFOM argument, I know).
Roadkill - Still alive, but with a mininimal presence in the thread & not drawing lynch votes. I think he's CN.
TwilightBlade - Same as above, but he's been drawing votes, so that might explain his presence.
DestroyerofHope - wait & see, I suppose, whether he shows up.

Personally, I think Roadkill should be lynched now & Caius next round.

Vote: Roadkill

seireikhaan

04-19-2007, 13:51

Meanwhile: greaterkhaan, where art thou?

Sorry I've been gone a while, RL gave me a swift(and rather hard) kick in the rear this week. My top two suspects of Caius and DG haven't changed since my last post. My third suspect needs a little work, but I'm, for now, leaning towards roadkill. Where's he been? I'd appreciate an explanation.

As for roles, no, I didn't get a yellow envelope, unfortunately. Personally, I'm surprised at the number of roles that Kommodus created. It seems like a lot. I can't help but feel that perhaps some of the people who revealed were bluffing.

For reasons stated in my previous post, vote: Caius

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 14:09

The sapi-warmaster reveal seems off. I would leave them on the suspect list.

Why were you informed of warmaster's role?

Sigurd

04-19-2007, 14:13

Current Tally

Caius Flaminius 3 (sapi, Seamus, Stig)
TwilightBlade 1 (pevergreen)
Greaterkhaan 1 (Sigurd)
RoadKill 1 (HughTower)

Claimed Roles:

AndresTheCunning – envelope role : protection
Caius Flaminius -
Destroyer of Hope -
Dutch_guy -
Greaterkhaan -
HughTower -
Pevergreen – envelope role: destroys attacker
RoadKill -
Sapi – original role: Watcher++
Seamus Fermanagh – original role: Doctor
Sigurd Fafnesbane – envelope role: role blocker
Stig – envelope role: watcher
TwilightBlade -
Warmaster Horus – envelope role?: Vigilante

Dutch_guy mastered the art of taking Destroyer of Hope off everyone’s suspicious list. According to my records DoH voted in the first three rounds (Sasaki – CountA - Sasaki).
He made sure he voted in all rounds until it became clear that you actually need 5 no-votes total to be WoG’ed.

A perfect tactic for the mafia is to stay off radar the following rounds.

Sigurd

04-19-2007, 14:15

The sapi-warmaster reveal seems off. I would leave them on the suspect list.

Why were you informed of warmaster's role?
I believe sapi was watching Warmaster the night he killed Xehh II

Stig

04-19-2007, 14:25

Dutch_guy mastered the art of taking Destroyer of Hope off everyone’s suspicious list. According to my records DoH voted in the first three rounds (Sasaki – CountA - Sasaki).
He made sure he voted in all rounds until it became clear that you actually need 5 no-votes total to be WoG’ed.

A perfect tactic for the mafia is to stay off radar the following rounds.
Good point, FoS at DG and DoH
And at all the others

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 14:33

So sapi has an original role but no role name? Seamus was umufu or something.

I think it would be naive to assume the mafia wouldn't invent roles. How did warmaster know sapi could confirm him?

Sigurd

04-19-2007, 14:38

I think it would be naive to assume the mafia wouldn't invent roles.
Yes, it has been done before

How did warmaster know sapi could confirm him?
Now there is a question.

Stig

04-19-2007, 14:43

On Sapi

1) I'm innocent => his vote is scummy
Caius didn't know that did he?

2) He's been proven by the process of elimination as someone who does not have a role. I sincerely doubt that Kommodus did not send envelopes to everyone without a role already.
So you think Kommo gave everyone a role? Doesn't that unbalance the game?

3) He's the most experienced of the potential mafia, and thus should go first.
DG and DoH are far more experienced

I would like another reasoning from Sapi to vote Caius

And I would like explaining from WH as well. And why on earth did you come running to me when I watched someone. You got more to hide then you revealed.

And for Pever, to who did you reveal the role Killfrenzy had?

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 14:46

I believe sapi was watching Warmaster the night he killed Xehh II

That's not how his role works though, he has to watch the victim?

and I have not yet witnessed an attack.

I was informed of Horus' identity in the N4 note, as he was of mine,

Stig is acting wicked suspicious in connection with sapi as well. "I heard on sapi being innocent" while still voting him then unvoting later and putting a vote on caius.

And now his distancing in that last post.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-19-2007, 14:47

So sapi has an original role but no role name? Seamus was umufu or something.

I think it would be naive to assume the mafia wouldn't invent roles. How did warmaster know sapi could confirm him?

The "no quoting" factor may be minimizing the use of correct titles etc. I know I was very careful in how/how precisely I referenced things for mine -- not wanting to get nuked by the GM.

Good listing Sigurd.

On the tally, I'm showing 5 for Caius (me, andres, sapi, stig, and khaan). Did I miss a change?

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 14:50

hmm Stig did know that Seamus hadn't been at home. That's a strong point in his favor. Perhaps he was converted.

Stig

04-19-2007, 14:51

Stig is acting wicked suspicious in connection with sapi as well. "I heard on sapi being innocent" while still voting him then unvoting later and putting a vote on caius.
Well WH pm'ed me after I vote for Sapi:

This is as private as it gets, I guess, so please don't tell anybody.

sapi is a watchman, who can, like you watch a house. I know this because Kommodus linked us together a couple of turns back. He can vouch for me, concerning my character.
This means you should unvote him, except it would look suspicious without sapi saying anything. If you could find some sort of solution?
WH

I didn't care about his last paragraph, and I simply said I heard that Sapi was innocent to hope WH would talk. He didn't and I unvoted Sapi just because I thought it was quite valid, however now that I think things over things are not as valid as they seemed.
Why would WH pm me twice on a day in order to protect himself and Sapi? He's hiding something.

hmm Stig did know that Seamus hadn't been at home. That's a strong point in his favor. Perhaps he was converted.
Who's favour?

Edit: I forgot
Unvote: Caius
Vote: WH

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 14:53

When did you get that pm? Sapi said they were linked n4. WH says it was a couple turns back.

Something doesn't add up. We should definitely be looking at these two rather than caius. WH took credit for the xehh kill and hasn't been counterclaimed mind you. We have to be very careful about our rule assumptions though, can't 2nd guess the mod here. For all we know the mafia received envelopes. Remember midgard with sigurd giving the mafia role pm's and messing with detective results?

Stig

04-19-2007, 14:54

When did you get that pm? Sapi said they were linked n4. WH says it was a couple turns back.

Something doesn't add up.
04-18-2007 21:43
Dutch Time
ie. about 18 hours ago

that's nothing more then 20 minutes after I voted Sapi, that's pretty quick

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 15:00

So sapi says "last turn" and WH says "a couple turns back". hmm

Stig

04-19-2007, 15:02

So sapi says "last turn" and WH says "a couple turns back". hmm
now, where's that bandwagon smiley?
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Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 15:14

btw, n4 was the night that one of us was converted. Also, n4 was before the envelopes when WH had no role. Why would Kommodus link together a pro-town role and a random townie? This makes no sense.

sapi hasn't claimed a role name. Since Seamus claimed with role name I find it doubtful he would not. He also keeps pushing for pever to reveal (first via pm, scum tell). Perhaps he wonders why his kill failed?

WH has claimed vigilante and hasn't been counterclaimed, so assuming that only non CN get envelopes he is at worst a converted. CountArach-WarmasterHorus makes sense for a pair of kills.

Sigurd

04-19-2007, 15:38

That's not how his role works though, he has to watch the victim?

hmm... apparently.
So sapi watched Xehh II the night of his murder. That sounds plausible since Xehh II was the survivor of the previous lynch and was still under suspicion.
sapi got a pm from Kommodus telling who Xehh II's killer was.
Now back to Warmaster... he said he conferred with another player whom to kill. Later sapi revealed that he was this player...

I am writing on memory here.. does this sound correct?

Warmaster Horus

04-19-2007, 15:40

I'm not doing this in any specific order, just going from one point to another, so don't expect any connecting logic in here.

I didn't receive an envelope. I was named vigilante since the beginning of the game; hence the strategy I mentioned of waiting for the final turns to use my kill.

Why would WH pm me twice on a day in order to protect himself and sapi?

Maybe I want the town to win, and in order to do that, I didn't want you to lynch the wrong guy? It was possible that sapi was absent (especially due to the Citadel's situation, as I understand it) and that he'd be unable to prove his innocence. As for my first PM, asking who he'd watched during that night, it was to know whether or not I should reveal then. I did in the end, because I saw that everyone was, and because I didn't want to cause the town difficulties (looking for more killers...)

As to the time mixup (I said a couple of nights ago, and sapi said on N4) well, that's my mistake. I was writing in haste, because I had to let my dad use the computer (hey, I'm still underage) and because of that, I didn't check the exact date :wall: . sapi's right, though. It was on night 4 that I was informed of his role, and that he was informed of mine.

Why would Kommodus link together a pro-town role and a random townie?

He didn't. He linked me, the vigilante, with sapi, the watchman.

I think that's it. Anything else needs cleared up?

EDIT: Arg, I take too long to post something; my post should have been before Sigurd's.

Anyway, sapi didn't receive a PM from Kommodus about Xehn's killer, and it would have been stupid for him to watch Xehn, since he knew that I was going to kill Xehn. I had told sapi before of what I was going to do, he agreed and I PM'd Kommodus with my instruction. sapi, meanwhile, watched someone else. That's what happened between Xehn, sapi and me that night.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 15:55

So we have "Agent Bayinga" who investigates with a 50% chance of success and "umurumumrurhum" who protects with a 33% chance of success...and a vigilante and a watchman?

WH, why didn't you kill me?

Stig

04-19-2007, 15:55

Well Sapi, who did you watch?

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 15:57

hmm if WH indeed had his role since the beginning that would confirm his and sapi's innocence. This needs to be checked out carefully though.

Dutch_guy

04-19-2007, 15:59

Caius Flaminius
greaterkhaan
RoadKill
TwilightBlade
Destroyer of Hope

So it then seems we're down to this then. Sorry for so easily taking DOH off the list, I was indoctrinated that he was going to die after not voting this round (his third in succession), and therefore already considered him somewhat dead.

Anyway, I do have a fairly important question:

Are those converted by the mafia still able to use their special abilities, if they have them ?

If that's a yes, then that above mentioned list is going to have to return to it's original large form - as even those with roles would then still be suspect. Meaning we're back to where we started.

:balloon2:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 16:09

@DG: we don't hav eto lynch the converted.

I have to say that looking it over sapi/WH doesn't really look like a mafia reveal. Seems kind of botched if it was.

Andres

04-19-2007, 16:19

Caius Flaminius
greaterkhaan
RoadKill
TwilightBlade
Destroyer of Hope
HughTower
Dutch_guy

You forgot yourself and HughTower ~;)

We don't know if the CN still have two kills if one of them is blocked by the Roleblocker.

EDIT: DoH did post at the Org on the 17th, 18th and 19th of April

Warmaster Horus

04-19-2007, 16:26

SK, why would I kill you? Without pointing at your sig, please.
I had already said that my strategy was to wait until the end game, but I abandonned caution when I saw what Xehn was doing. I decided to kill him, remove a potential mafia, or an annoying townsperson.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 16:28

I remember twilightblade had a wagon on him which was derailed at one point.

Dutch_guy

04-19-2007, 16:48

@DG: we don't hav eto lynch the converted.
.

True, but their importance should never be underestimated. They could very easily use their role for the other side, covering for their comrades - under the pretence of using it for the town's sake.

:balloon2:

Caius

04-19-2007, 19:54

Holy ****.

:no:

Stig, whats your meaning of hipocresy?

And I did told you, Im innocent.Im a weak townie.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 20:05

Did you get an envelope caius? You should say if you did.

Caius

04-19-2007, 20:06

Did you get an envelope caius? You should say if you did.
No.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 20:11

Ok. Dutch_Guy, I think you said you didn't get an envelope?

Dutch_guy

04-19-2007, 20:28

Ok. Dutch_Guy, I think you said you didn't get an envelope?

Nope, didn't get any.

:balloon2:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 20:30

Ok, so we can rule out "all townies got one but caius is mafia so he thought they didn't" I suppose.

Csargo

04-19-2007, 20:42

4 CN, 11 Townies?

Sounds about right, and very depressing.

:no: :wall:

No. He was killed by mafia, he had his role stripped off him because he was giving results and revealing privately. I think thats why Ichigo suicided.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-19-2007, 20:47

Vote Tally as of post 1065:

Caius = 5 (Andres, G'khaan, Sapi, Seamus, W'Horus)

G'Khaan = 1 (Sigurd)

Roadkill = 1 (HughT)

Sapi = 1 (Caius)

T'blade = 1 (pever')

W'Horus = 1 (Stig)

No Vote = (DoH [1 missed already], Dutch [2], Roadkill [1], T'blade [3])

Frequent Vote switchers this round = Andres (5) & Stig (3)

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2007, 20:50

uh why are we lynching caius specifically?

I'd go for greaterkhan personally.

Caius

04-19-2007, 20:56

uh why are we lynching caius specifically?

I'd go for greaterkhan personally.
Going to someone without a good reason its not good

Andres

04-19-2007, 20:59

uh why are we lynching caius specifically?

I'd go for greaterkhan personally.

If greaterkhaan is mafia, TB is one as well I think. I remember him defending TB early on in the game.

Busy rereading GK's posts.

EDIT: Bah, he acted pretty scummy while defending himself when questioned by Ichigo and Sasaki. He's also the only not confirmed innocent voting for Caius. Last round, GK and Dutch_guy were prosecuting Caius. Now that Caius is about to get lynched, only GK voted him. Don't know what to deduct from all of that though.

HughTower

04-19-2007, 21:57

Personally, I find this sequence of events interesting.....

Dutch_guy mastered the art of taking Destroyer of Hope off everyone’s suspicious list. According to my records DoH voted in the first three rounds (Sasaki – CountA - Sasaki).
He made sure he voted in all rounds until it became clear that you actually need 5 no-votes total to be WoG’ed.

A perfect tactic for the mafia is to stay off radar the following rounds.

Caius Flaminius
greaterkhaan
RoadKill
TwilightBlade
Destroyer of Hope

So it then seems we're down to this then. Sorry for so easily taking DOH off the list, I was indoctrinated that he was going to die after not voting this round (his third in succession), and therefore already considered him somewhat dead.

Anyway, I do have a fairly important question:

Are those converted by the mafia still able to use their special abilities, if they have them ?

If that's a yes, then that above mentioned list is going to have to return to it's original large form - as even those with roles would then still be suspect. Meaning we're back to where we started.

You forgot yourself and HughTower ~;)

EDIT: DoH did post at the Org on the 17th, 18th and 19th of April

It goes without saying that I find this all particularly scummy. Does anyone else see it?

Andres

04-19-2007, 21:59

Let's see what response we'll get:

Unvote : Caius
Vote : Dutch_guy

Warmaster Horus

04-19-2007, 22:09

Won't make much difference if you're alone in voting him, though.

HughTower

04-19-2007, 22:21

Won't make much difference if you're alone in voting him, though.

You're right, of course.

Unvote, Vote: Dutch_guy

Warmaster Horus

04-19-2007, 22:32

I'll follow. To give pressure and a tie.
Unvote, Vote: Dutch_guy

Which brings us to:

Caius = 3 (G'khaan, Sapi, Seamus)

Dutch guy= 3 (Andres, Hughtower, me)

G'Khaan = 1 (Sigurd)

Sapi = 1 (Caius)

T'blade = 1 (pever')

W'Horus = 1 (Stig)

No Vote = (DoH [1 missed already], Dutch [2], Roadkill [1], T'blade [3])

Kommodus, might I suggest we reduce the voting possibilities to Caius and Dutch_guy?

Stig

04-19-2007, 22:37

that is what I call bandwagoning

and why do you want to limit voting to DG and Caius, WH?
Still hiding something?

Kommodus

04-19-2007, 22:37

Voting will continue until around midnight tonight.

Warmaster Horus

04-19-2007, 22:40

Stig, why not? Apparently the vote will be on one of those two.

Say, why do you still vote me?

Stig

04-19-2007, 23:01

Stig, why not? Apparently the vote will be on one of those two.

Say, why do you still vote me?
Because I'm not convinced of your innocence.

It could easely be Sapi, Khaan, DoH (or DG, or anyone else from the list) and you as a converted.

Twilightblade

04-20-2007, 00:25

Vote: Dutch_Guy

pevergreen

04-20-2007, 00:28

:no: :wall:

Why did you bold some of my quote? It is making no sense to me. Please explain..

So not 4 CN and 11 Townies? 5 CN and 10 townies???3 and 12?

Edited out needless stuff

Sasaki Kojiro

04-20-2007, 00:46

WTF?!?!

Why did you bold some of my quote? It is making no sense to me. Please explain..

So not 4 CN and 11 Townies? 5 CN and 10 townies???3 and 12?

:no:

Stig

04-20-2007, 00:59

Vote: Dutch_Guy
Why?

Unvote: WH
Vote: Twilight
untill I know why

pevergreen

04-20-2007, 01:26

AGGH! This is annoyingly funny!

Stop bolding parts of my quotes, without words, i dont understand them!

GeneralHankerchief

04-20-2007, 02:05

AGGH! This is annoyingly funny!

Stop bolding parts of my quotes, without words, i dont understand them!

:eyebrows:

Seamus Fermanagh

04-20-2007, 03:15

T'blade:

You really should explain why you are voting for someone. For now, I wish to continue applying pressure to Caius, but bald votes without explanation are too easy a tool for the mafia to use if we let such continue. You must expand on why or you will draw votes.

Kommodus

04-20-2007, 06:14

Voting Closed. Stand by for execution.

Kommodus

04-20-2007, 06:45

Day 5

The sense of desperation in Gisenyi grew with each new Gacaca session, as did discontent with mayor Rwigema’s handling of the crisis. Most of the villagers had passed the prior night without sleep; this, combined with the secretive yellow envelopes many had received, resulted in many frayed nerves. The mayor had some explaining to do.

“Why keep us all in the dark?” someone asked angrily. “Wouldn’t it have been more effective to organize a group that could work together? If these rumors are true, you just sent lot of solitary individuals, unprepared and unequipped, to carry out dangerous missions. They could’ve been killed!” There were disgruntled shouts of agreement with this.

Rwigema tried to defend his choices. “Please try to understand,” he explained desperately. “I had no way of knowing whether or not I was delivering instructions to honest people or Cosa Nuova operatives. If I had tried to organize a team, a single enemy operative in its ranks would’ve undermined the success of the whole group.”

Some of the people recognized the wisdom of this, while others remained skeptical. The mayor continued.

“Also, think of what would’ve happened if the tasks I assigned had been public knowledge. The Cosa Nuova would’ve been the first to find out – and then they would’ve known exactly what to do to thwart our efforts.”

Most seemed to give grudging acknowledgement; though some still disagreed with the course of action the mayor had taken, they understood his approach.

“Fine,” a man said, giving voice to the consensus. “The only question, then, is why this wasn’t done sooner. But at this point it doesn’t matter. What’s important now is that we pool our knowledge – all of it – and solve this mystery once and for all.” With that the man pulled out a yellow envelope and withdrew a sheet of paper.

Rwigema looked alarmed but made no move to stop the man as he read the message in the envelope aloud. Having finished, he explained what he had done the previous night, and what he’d seen. “And now,” the man said, “let’s hear what the rest of you have to say.”

One by one, several people came forward and professed to have received envelopes. Some had brought theirs to the assembly; others had not. The mayor shook his head sadly; he knew he had placed many people at great risk. But what else could he do? The limited powers of the few government officials in Gisenyi were no match for a threat of this magnitude.

Thus it was that the people pooled the knowledge they had gained the night before along with everything else they could think of. In spite of this, however, they could not come to a strong consensus. Many claimed to be working for the good of the town, but almost every claim was questioned as the people shifted their inquiries from person to person.

It was true that the worst of the rancor was gone from the assembly, due to fear of their desperate situation. However, in its place were tension, suspicion, and paranoia. Everyone tried to keep their emotions in check and think as logically as possible, but this was easier said than done.

In the end it once again became necessary to take a final vote. Caius Flaminius, a colorful character who was often misunderstood, and Dutch_guy, who many perceived as being a bit too quiet, were both suspected.

As before, Rwigema ordered the people to stand in groups according to their individual decisions. He quickly counted each group – they were disturbingly small – and announced the result.

“Bring Dutch_guy forward,” he said resolutely. The accused man was seized and brought before the mayor. He didn’t resist, and the anger and fear one might have expected were scarcely to be seen. He merely looked tired.

“Dutch_guy, do you have anything to say?” asked Rwigema. Dutch_guy merely gazed at his accusers sadly. “I’m not one of your enemies,” he said with a touch of bitterness. “You’re putting the wrong man to death.” But he could change no minds.

The brutal execution the night before had plainly had no effect, and no one was anxious to repeat it. Dutch_guy was dispatched mercifully with a clean machete stroke that removed his head.

Vote Count

Dutch_guy: 4 (AndresTheCunning, HughTower, TwilightBlade, Warmaster Horus)

Caius Flaminius: 3 (greaterkhaan, sapi, Seamus Fermanagh)

TwilightBlade: 2 (pevergreen, Stig)

greaterkhaan: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)

sapi: 1 (Caius Flaminius)

Not Voting: 3 (Destroyer of Hope, Dutch_guy, RoadKill)

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy

Lynched

Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy

Suicide

Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo

Died of Mysterious Causes

Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

pevergreen

04-20-2007, 07:17

Hmm who is next? Quiet might be the best during this night phase.

Dutch_guy

04-20-2007, 07:45

Well, congratulations town. You'd say that lynching a mafioso when they so clearly outnumber [fos] us was easier than to lynch a townie yet again.

Worst thing is, however, that I got lynched while sleeping again. Frustrating, as everyone here knows I'm perfectly able to defend myself, and always do so.

Let's see what the 'case' was then:

It goes without saying that I find this all particularly scummy. Does anyone else see it?

No, I don't think anybody who actually stepped on the bandwagon did...

Won't make much difference if you're alone in voting him, though.

:laugh4:

I'll follow. To give pressure and a tie.

To give pressure and a tie when you know the voting my end anytime in the next hour, and knwowing it's quite late for a student in Holland ? Plus, I daresay you know bandwagons are stepped upon easier than any other candidates, meaning you should have known you'd seal my fate.

Vote: Dutch_Guy

Why, especially after

Voting will continue until around midnight tonight.

Hello !

It all comes down to this, no one had any case at all, and therefor decided to wait and start a bandwagon when the odds where there that I wouldn't be able to even defend myself and stop the wagon.

Can't think of any other reason, as there so obviously wasn't any case against me at all....

:balloon2:

Csargo

04-20-2007, 07:59

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

:hanged: :yes:

Andres

04-20-2007, 08:11

Vote: Dutch_Guy

Why? Why? Why? Why are you voting at this stage of the game without reasoning? In the process breaking a tie...

:inquisitive:

I need something stronger than this inquisitive smiley.

sapi

04-20-2007, 08:21

HughTower

04-20-2007, 08:27

It all comes down to this, no one had any case at all, and therefor decided to wait and start a bandwagon when the odds where there that I wouldn't be able to even defend myself and stop the wagon.

Can't think of any other reason, as there so obviously wasn't any case against me at all....

:balloon2:

The case against you was circumstantial, it is true, but compelling all the same.

You've lurked throughout, reacting only to interrogation, & voting in a 'safe' fashion
The nature of your victim selection mirrors that of Mafia VI
Your analysis only appeared to serve one real purpose - to make everyone forget about DoH
When challenged on this, your next reaction is to try & create doubt in the shortlist

It is also worth noting that the first 3 people who voted for you were European & therefore in the same timezone as yourself, & that Kommodus announced the execution time after we had placed our votes.

I must admit, however, I was surprised to see you lynched - I thought a tie had been created by Horus. I think TwilightBlade has some explaining to do.....

Ichigo - as usual, a brilliant case well argued...

Andres

04-20-2007, 08:35

TB is converted, according to pever, who has been proven innocent (forget if this came out of a PM convo or not, for those who are wondering)

So Dutch_guy's death is interesting.

Either this was a mafia job, voting in concert, or TB saw that DG was dead, and wanted to vote in line with the town.

Since WH voted, it's unlikely to have been a mafia action; however ATC is very suspicious for starting this.

Has he been vouched for?

This post should prove I received an enveloppe the previous night (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1510413&postcount=971).

And you can ask Ichigo, pevergreen and Sasaki.

TB broke the tie. At the moment of his vote it was 3 for Caius and 3 for Dutch.

HughTower voted Dutch as well, after I picked up on his reasoning + I already was suspicious about Dutch_guy. WH created a tie. TB broke it.

Warmaster Horus

04-20-2007, 09:56

TB does have some explaining to do. I created the tie in order to have a certain amount of discussion brought in. However TB, once again I believe, votes without explaining his choice.

I think, considering it's the night phase, we should all shut up and say nothing any more.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-20-2007, 10:03

This post should prove I received an enveloppe the previous night (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1510413&postcount=971).

And you can ask Ichigo, pevergreen and Sasaki.

TB broke the tie. At the moment of his vote it was 3 for Caius and 3 for Dutch.

HughTower voted Dutch as well, after I picked up on his reasoning + I already was suspicious about Dutch_guy. WH created a tie. TB broke it.

It's doubtful the detective would have revealed if he had an inconclusive on you (50% chance he does). What is your role exactly?

sapi

04-20-2007, 10:18

Then we need to look very carefully at Caius, not TB (who, according to a proven innocent, pever, is a conversion)

He was probably acting without CN orders, and he probably broke the tie in order to save a comrade, without realising that that is very suspicious.

As WH says, though, better not the give the mafia hints on who to kill, so we'll engage in more discussion tomorrow.

I honestly doubt that I'll survive the night ~:(

Andres

04-20-2007, 10:21

What is your role exactly?

Can this wait until the next day?

I hope this night will be a long one and the subsequent day as well. Won't be around here this week-end...

sapi

04-20-2007, 10:46

Andres, if I was you I'd pm your role to one of the known innocents (preferably one who is dead to be sure) so that they can reveal it and any results that you may have if you die tonight.

Killfr3nzy

04-20-2007, 10:56

Ah, but that's illegal.
Bad Sapi. :whip:

Stig

04-20-2007, 10:59

Right Twilight tomorrow

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

Who should me and Sapi watch? I think that deserves discussion ... sides if they kill us both (while others have far better skills) it means that we watched the mafia. Next to that Sigurd shouldn't block the people we watch.

Personally I think there's a big chance Hughtower is innocent as he was blocked by Sigurd last night, so there's a 67% chance of being innocent.

@Sapi, if Andres recieved the enveloppe he cannot privately reveal.

Andres

04-20-2007, 10:59

Andres, if I was you I'd pm your role to one of the known innocents (preferably one who is dead to be sure) so that they can reveal it and any results that you may have if you die tonight.

Cannot reveal in private. I gave pevergreen some clues, but didn't reveal anything...

My innocence can be confirmed by several players. I don't see why I should reveal my role.

In fact, I'm a bit disappointed we didn't work on a network trough pm, without revealing roles, only vouching for each other in the thread. Would have been much harder for the mafia.

With all this public revealing, I don't know what to think anymore.

Rwigema tried to defend his choices. “Please try to understand,” he explained desperately. “I had no way of knowing whether or not I was delivering instructions to honest people or Cosa Nuova operatives. If I had tried to organize a team, a single enemy operative in its ranks would’ve undermined the success of the whole group.”

Does that mean enveloppes were sent at random and a possible CN or converted got one as well?

Warmaster Horus

04-20-2007, 11:09

Does that mean enveloppes were sent at random and a possible CN or converted got one as well?

I can imagine Kommodus doing something like that... Although what the contents of the enveloppe in that case would be are anyone's guess. (translated into english: what would a CN receive in an envelope?)

In fact, I'm a bit disappointed we didn't work on a network trough pm, without revealing roles, only vouching for each other in the thread. Would have been much harder for the mafia.

That will be for next time :)

Stig

04-20-2007, 11:12

translated into english: what would a CN receive in an envelope?
A role which he can use to make himself innocent

As Alex and I did in Midgard

Andres

04-20-2007, 11:17

Who should me and Sapi watch?

Discuss that in private with Sigurd and Seamus (can watch players as well, only 33 % chance of succes though).

Always send a copy of the pm's to a murdered and thus innocent player so things can get checked afterwards if one of you is CN after all. The confirmed innocent can watch and tell the town if any of you is lying. Maybe you should pick 2 innocents, who are both living in different timezones, to make sure at least one of them is here when discussion is going on.

Murdered players:

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II - killed by Vigilante, not confirmed innocent
Killfr3nzy

GH and CA live in different timezones and are most likely to keep participating. CR and Killfr3nzy seem good choices as well for this. Personnally, I think Sasaki is innocent as well, but he got lynched, so we can't be 100 % sure.

Dutch_guy

04-20-2007, 13:39

The case against you was circumstantial, it is true, but compelling all the same.

You've lurked throughout, reacting only to interrogation, & voting in a 'safe' fashion
The nature of your victim selection mirrors that of Mafia VI
Your analysis only appeared to serve one real purpose - to make everyone forget about DoH
When challenged on this, your next reaction is to try & create doubt in the shortlist

Okay,

1) Been doing this since about the third game I've ever played in. God knows how many I've done since.

2) No, it does not. I would have killed completely different people, as I have tried to make clear in the beginning of the game. TB, for instance, would not have lasted this long, and GeneralH would still be alive. That was merely an example.

3) No, it was not. I forgot about DOH because he had even less posts than I had at that stage, and because I considered him dead already (WOG'ed) as I thought at the time that he'd be put out of the game due to a lack of voting activity.

Also, the only thing I've done is alert the town of DOH's activity. Were I a mafia, and he my partner, then I would have never taken that risk - as the chance that someone would find out I had been steadily excluding him from the town would have been too high. I'm not one to underestimate the town, especially as a mafioso, when people like Sigurd are still alive...

4) A doubt which hasn't been addressed by any living soul, except Sasaki, a fact which is disturbing considering the fact that if I'm right the town has probably lost the game already - and you have all been fooled by someone claiming a pro town role, but working that role in favour of the mafia. The chance of such a thing happening is slim, of course it is, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be brought up. Most certainly not enough to warrant a lynch.

Also, do note I didn't vote this round, not even to save myself. Me being asleep at the time the wagon started may have something to do with it of course, but still it had to be said :wink:

:balloon2:

Seamus Fermanagh

04-20-2007, 18:56

Let's PM the night duties to one another, or better yet a central coordinator (pev'?). We need to get this orchestrated to minimize duplication of effort and maximize info.

Csargo

04-20-2007, 19:49

Ichigo - as usual, a brilliant case well argued...

:holmes: :rulez: :thinking2:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-20-2007, 21:14

haha, I think the town is screwed.

Warmaster Horus

04-20-2007, 21:18

That's a cheerful thought. Any reason behind it?

Note: that's a joke, mates. It's called sarcasm.

Dutch_guy

04-20-2007, 21:29

haha, I think the town is screwed.

Probably.

:balloon2:

pevergreen

04-21-2007, 00:47

Oh, Im pretty sure our chances are bad. But look at Capo. I was sure that one mafia group was going to win, then the townies pulled through.

I am happy to "co-ordinate" the night.

Andres is innocent. I just thought of something. Have to check it.

pevergreen

04-21-2007, 00:52

Im not going to say anything tonight. tomorrow, i'll prove innocence of someone.

RoadKill

04-21-2007, 03:50

Sorry for lurking everyone my internet was really messed up and slow, so i'm not going to read 8 pages, so can any inform me if i'm dead or Woged please

sapi

04-21-2007, 04:26

Kommodus has an extra info thread for that express purpose.

Sure you're not scummy?

Warmaster Horus

04-21-2007, 07:02

He might be, but I think he's looking for the in-depth info of the proceedings. I hope, rather.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-21-2007, 15:12

Away from the computer most of today. PM sent.

pevergreen

04-21-2007, 16:01

I only have 2 PM's.

Kommodus

04-21-2007, 19:03

Night 6

All through the evening’s assembly, black thunderclouds had gathered menacingly, threatening at any moment to unleash their wrath. As the people dispersed, each to his own home, the tempest finally struck. With a great crack of thunder, the skies opened up and poured down a torrential deluge. Those still out in the open raced for cover.

Stig flung open the door of his home and jumped inside. Despite having been caught in the storm for less than a minute, he was thoroughly drenched. Quickly changing out of his soaking wet clothes into something dryer, he began rummaging through his closet for a raincoat and boots.

Suddenly a great bolt of lightning split the sky. Stig happened to glance out of the window at that moment, and what he saw caused his heart to leap into his throat. Facing the house, about thirty yards away, stood a dark figure. It was difficult to be sure, but the figure appeared to be dressed head-to-toe in black and wearing a dark hood.

Stig pressed his face against the window and peered into the darkness. The lightning flashed again – the figure was still there, only closer this time! It was approaching a bit stiffly, heedless of the rain.

Stig rushed to the door and locked it. He then turned and raced to the kitchen, intending to retrieve a sturdy knife.

Outside, the man in black paused and reached for a pouch strapped to his waist. He withdrew two items – the first, a six-pointed shuriken; the second, a small bottle of clear liquid. He stooped and opened the bottle, pouring some of the solution over the shuriken’s sharp edges. As he prepared to rise, he was suddenly interrupted by a loud cry coming from close by!

The man in black swiftly stood, leaving the bottle on the ground. Whirling to face the source of the cry, he was greeted by the sight of a man in torn jeans and black T-shirt. The attacker was wielding a curiously curved wooden club and screaming threats as he charged.

“You filthy, treacherous murderer! I’ll kill you!” the charging man hollered. “Get back here! You deserve to die!” But the man in black was already sprinting into the distance, having dropped the shuriken.

The man in jeans gave up the chase and walked back, breathing heavily. Spying the bottle resting on the ground, he picked it up gingerly, being careful not to spill it. He looked at it curiously for a moment, then closed it, pocketed it, and jogged off into the distance.

Inside the house, Stig had finally returned from his kitchen with a large bread-knife. Anxiously he looked out the window again – but there was no sign of the confrontation that had taken place; only wind, rain, and the darkness of the night.

…

Elsewhere, another resident was not enjoying such fortune. Sapi awoke to find his face pushed into a vinyl mattress. His head was pounding and there was a foul taste in his mouth. Trying to move, he found himself clamped down tightly with unyielding metal restraints.

Panic rose in his throat and he screamed. “Help!” he shouted, straining against the clamps. “Someone get me out of here!”

He did not have long to wait. His ears picked up the sound of a door opening. Tied face-down as he was, he twisted his neck to look in the direction of the sound. A man in white surgeon’s attire was standing next to a tray containing various instruments, pulling on a pair of latex gloves.

“You,” breathed sapi. “I should have known. Wait!” he cried as the surgeon approached with a very long and sharp syringe. “Don’t do this. What do you want? I’ll give you anything; just name it!”

The surgeon sighed. “I already have what I want,” he said. “And yes, you should have known – you all should have figured it out long ago. But your minds are wasted, each and every one – atrophied through idleness and disuse. That is, in fact, the reason we are here.”

“What the heck are you talking about?” asked sapi, thoroughly baffled.

The man in white did not answer the question. “I tire of these conversations,” he sighed. “Even if I explained you would not understand.” Approaching with the syringe he continued. “As much as I hate to repeat the same experiment, my colleagues tell me that sometimes it’s best simply to ‘go with what works.’ So I have no intention of wasting any more time tonight than necessary.”

With that he plunged the syringe straight down into sapi’s spine. Sapi cried out in pain as the room began to spin and the beeping of the many electronic devices became erratic and faded. In a few moments consciousness had left him for the last time.

…

By the time sapi’s body was found, dumped unceremoniously in a ditch just outside of town, Stig’s story had been widely circulated. The dwindling numbers of townspeople gathered in the square, hoping that the absence of the rock message the previous day had been an isolated anomaly. Unfortunately they were not so fortunate – once again there was no message. Mayor Rwigema was waiting for them, looking dejected.

“My friends,” he said desperately, “every day we become fewer in number. I and my staff have tried everything we can think of to avert this crisis. If things continue like this, the Cosa Nuova will soon have a stranglehold on this town that will never be broken.”

With grave looks on their faces, the people trudged off once more to the grassy clearing, now stained with blood, where Gacaca was held.

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy
sapi

Lynched

Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy

Suicide

Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo

Died of Mysterious Causes

Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

Stig

04-21-2007, 21:17

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

Right:
Green = innocent for sure
Orange = mostlikely innocent (>50%)
Red = unknown

On Caius, I watched him and he was at home, so he's either innocent or didn't get chosen to do a kill tonight.

Vote: Twilight, why did you break the tie without allowing discussion?

Warmaster Horus

04-21-2007, 21:48

I ask Twilight the same question, however for now I will wait before voting. Answer correctly TB, and you won't get my vote.

Addendum: I also bid sapi's continued assistance. Perhaps for the next night he can direct things?

Caius

04-21-2007, 22:39

How many no votes have TB?

Warmaster Horus

04-21-2007, 22:49

Actually, if he hadn't voted last turn, he'd have been WoG'ed, I think. So, his vote was self-preservation, and he took Sasaki, either by random, or because ... (note: he's supposed to fill the sentence here, giving his reason)

sapi

04-22-2007, 00:20

Dammit!

I was watching Stig, too, so if I'd only survived the night we would have had the identity of a CN operative...

Ah well, we must press on.

I'm happy to coordinate tonight's activities.

pevergreen

04-22-2007, 00:23

"Co-ordinate" might be a bit much. I got two PM's.

I still wonder why the mafia didnt kill me. They must be scared of my RDX :grin2:

Stig, your list is incorrect, Twilight is a conversion, and I am innocent.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...postcount=1103

I immediately thought that Andres may have gotten an envelope and co-ordinated to defend me while mafia attacked me. So therefore he would be mafia. But he knew the investigation PM so unless Ichigo or Sasaki gave it to him, Andres is innocent. He asked for certain words.

04-16-2007, 08:17
AndresTheCunning
Member
Member

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: In my own skin.
Posts: 2,346 Cosa

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We cannot quote Kommodus' pm's, but I guess this is allowed:

5th word: detained
14th word: mask
last word: questioner.

What are the 8th word, 17th word and 26th word of yours?

If it matches, we both have the same pm as Ichigo and Sasaki has a different one.

Cheers,

Andres.

Sasaki had a different one?

seireikhaan

04-22-2007, 05:09

Vote: Roadkill

Simply no discussion, little activity. And a slow internet isn't much of an excuse to not participate. I'm working on dial-up right now, and its pretty slow and unreliable. Trying to hide, IMO.

pevergreen

04-22-2007, 05:13

:yes: Twilightblade and Roadkill look like the two best lynches today.

Killfr3nzy

04-22-2007, 11:09

Kill Twilight we should, yea-ess.

pevergreen

04-22-2007, 11:11

Not quite the post i was looking for to break a six hour deficit, but i do expect some decent posts by tomorrow morning...:whip:

Stig

04-22-2007, 12:40

@Pever, I don't know for a 100% sure you are innocent (99% it is). WH is innocent since he worked with Sapi who just got proven innocent.
I'm innocent because I got attacked.
And for Andres I have certain reasons.

We don't know about you, Sigurd and Seamus because you can never be sure (as the mafia also might have gotten enveloppes).
Caius might have been choosen not to go out and therefore might still be mafia.
I forgot to make Hugh orange, as there's a 67% changes he's innocent as well (because he was blocked last night).

That leaves us with:
Khaan, DoH and Roadkill being the mafia and Twilight the converted (if you are right about that)

sapi

04-22-2007, 12:54

I would like to repeat:

Do not lynch TwilightBlade

We do not have enough time to remove someone who does not affect our chances of winning.

Roadkill knows this, and is trying to make us do so. Don't bite.

Him or DoH would be a good lynch.

Stig

04-22-2007, 15:26

Yup you're right:

Unvote, Vote: Roadkill

Warmaster Horus

04-22-2007, 15:37

Stig, Roadkill and Khaan can't be in the Mafia together, Khaan just voted Roadkill. Unless it's a subtle stratagem...

Last DoH voted was Ichigo on the 10th. If he doesn't vote this turn he's WoG'ed, right? Voting him is useless I think. He probably forgot about the game, cos' his last post was on the 22nd.

So, this leaves us with a potential Roadkill lynch, right?

EDIT: my first sentence means either Roadkill is Mafia, OR Khaan is.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-22-2007, 16:03

I'm not quite as sure it's either-or for those two, and Destro is very much cagey enough to play his usual "forgot about this thread" tactic up to the edge -- he has the track record to pull it off -- but your spotlight on these relative newcomers (as are you no?) seems to be a good place to start.

Let's hear from the other one.

Vote: G'khaan

Myrddraal

04-22-2007, 16:28

My appologies for dissapearing...

Warmaster Horus

04-22-2007, 16:52

Pity you did, Myrddraal. Any thoughts on what happened?

HughTower

04-22-2007, 20:18

We don't know about you, Sigurd and Seamus because you can never be sure (as the mafia also might have gotten enveloppes).
Caius might have been choosen not to go out and therefore might still be mafia.
I forgot to make Hugh orange, as there's a 67% changes he's innocent as well (because he was blocked last night).

That leaves us with:
Khaan, DoH and Roadkill being the mafia and Twilight the converted (if you are right about that)

Good - I prefer orange. It makes me feel, well, a little bit Dutch. ~:smoking:

Roadkill does it for me (as argued in a previous post). I'm still confident that we lynched scum last round - and also please be aware that Sasaki & Xehh are still unproven - so that makes it just two proper CN left in my book. It's a fine margin, but we've still got a chance.

BTW, if pevergreen only got 2 PMs, that's poor work IMO - let's do better next night time please.

Vote: Roadkill

Dutch_guy

04-22-2007, 20:27

I'm still confident that we lynched scum last round

Ah, well I seem to recall that only a few rounds before you weren't so sure - you didn't jump on the bandwagon that was started by Andres to get me to talk. So what exactly made you so sure in the round that followed ?

Must have been something big, as lynching townies in the last rounds of the game is just about the most foolish thing that can be done.

Oh, and why can we trust you again ? I obviously missed that bit.

:balloon2:

Andres

04-22-2007, 21:40

I know for sure pevergreen started this game as an innocent. Killfr3nzy got killed by the CN, Xehh II by Warmaster and pever got attacked by a man with a syringe... Pever is innocent 100 % for the same reason I know that Stig is innocent + because pever got investigated and turned out innocent.

So, no more suspicions at pevergreen. Pevergreen said he was sure TB got converted. Since pever is 100 % innocent, I am willing to take his word on it. TB voted Dutch; two possible scenarios: 1) Caius is mafia and TB saved him 2) worst scenario: Caius nor Dutch were/are mafia and TB acted as such to confuse us and to make us lynch Caius, another innocent.

Stig watched Caius tonight and Caius was at home...

AndresTheCunning - innocent
Caius Flaminius - probably innocent
Destroyer of Hope - unknown
greaterkhaan - unkown
HughTower - unkown
pevergreen - innocent
RoadKill - unknown
Seamus Fermanagh - innocent
Sigurd Fafnesbane - innocent
Stig - innocent
TwilightBlade - converted
Warmaster Horus - innocent

That leaves 4 possible Casanova's, namely:

Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Roadkill

DoH did post in other threads during this game (from the 17th-20th and I think he is online right now), but his lack of interest is of such an exaggerated degree, that I don't think it's him.

If there are still 3 CN's left, it is probably greaterkhaan, HughTower and Roadkill.

Let's start with Roadkill.

Vote : Roadkill

Stig

04-22-2007, 21:59

Remember that the mafia might have recieved enveloppes as well

Which imo means that Sigurd and Seamus are not confirmed for 100%

Andres

04-22-2007, 22:09

Remember that the mafia might have recieved enveloppes as well

Which imo means that Sigurd and Seamus are not confirmed for 100%

Sigurd got an enveloppe, Seamus had his role from the beginning of the game, at worst he is converted, but then again, thus far we only had one person converted. Pevergreen (100 % innocent) said TB got converted... Seamus should be 100% innocent.

Andres

04-22-2007, 22:30

Wait a minute. Roadkill didn't vote for two rounds, if he doesn't vote this round, he'll get WoG'ed (3 rounds in a row not voting).

He would have voted by now to save his skin (this lynching round started more then 24 hours ago). DoH on the other hand did vote on day 2...

Unvote : Roadkill
Vote : greaterkhaan

Tally

Roadkill 3 (HughTower, GK, Stig)
Greaterkhaan : 2 (Seamus, ATC)

Come on town, wake up!

Somebody unvote Roadkill and vote GK!

Probably mafia: greaterkhaan :yes:, HughTower :yes: and DoH (or maybe, maybe, maybe Caius...)

Stig

04-22-2007, 22:32

Unvote, vote: Khaan

phew
The chance that Caius or Hugh is mafia is equal imo.
I doubt Sigurd told anyone who he did block (so it's 67%) and I only told Andres, WH and Sapi afaik, all innocent (67%)

Andres

04-22-2007, 22:39

Roadkill 2 (HughTower, GK)
Greaterkhaan : 3 (Seamus, ATC, Stig)

Need two more votes ! (worst case scenario: 3 CN's + 1 converted = 4 votes)

PM's sent to confirmed innocents, sapi in Cc.

Warmaster Horus, I know you are online and I just sent you a pm. What's keeping you? :whip:

Gah, he's offline right now, probably logged off while I was sending the message.

Stig

04-22-2007, 22:50

Roadkill 2 (HughTower, GK)

Roadkills innocent alright ... as this would mean that either Hugh or Khaan would vote for a mafia ... which can't happen, too much of a gamble.
Unless Caius is mafia afterall

Kommodus

04-22-2007, 23:33

I think I'll leave voting open until around midnight on Monday. :bow:

EDIT: My timezone is EST. So that's about 29 hours from now.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-22-2007, 23:51

Somebody remind me what time zone this is in? I probably skimmed too quickly earlier.

So far, I'm not as adamantly convinced as ATC about GK, but we also haven't heard from Road or from GK, so I'll stand pat for now.

pevergreen

04-23-2007, 00:16

Vote: Khaan

Looks like we have the mafia.

Crazed Rabbit

04-23-2007, 02:01

*sees suspicions of greaterkhaan*

KHAAAN! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_gI3vkSgVQ)

I'm waiting for you...

Crazed Rabbit

seireikhaan

04-23-2007, 03:00

Huh, well it seems this is going to be my farewell. Again, as I stated, I never recieved an envelope, so I suppose that lynching me is going to be the only way to prove my innocence. I guess that's just my fate for this game.

It looks like its a choice between me and Roadkill. I'd just like to say that first, I've tried to contribute for this entire game, whereas Roadkill has been on the sidelines the whole time. Secondly, Roadkill could easily have accounted for the fact that we often end up extending these voting sessions, thus throwing suspision off of him when he sticks his vote in late. But as I said, I've no way to prove my innocence, so its just going to come down to all of you.

One thing I do question though. People seem to believe Caius is mostly innocent, yet without proof. Why?

Stig

04-23-2007, 06:55

I watched him?

And Roadkill is mostlikely innocent as:
-Both Hugh and you voted for him
-He will be WoG'ed, and a mafia wouldn't let that happen

Warmaster Horus

04-23-2007, 07:25

Well, just to put this lynch firmly in place:
Vote:greaterkhaan

It's true, you did contribute more than Roadkill, but if he's going to be WoG'ed next turn...

sapi

04-23-2007, 07:48

So, no more suspicions at pevergreen. Pevergreen said he was sure TB got converted. Since pever is 100 % innocent, I am willing to take his word on it. TB voted Dutch; two possible scenarios: 1) Caius is mafia and TB saved him 2) worst scenario: Caius nor Dutch were/are mafia and TB acted as such to confuse us and to make us lynch Caius, another innocent.
I hate to bring up two more options
- Dutch was scum but since he was doomed TB voted to look good
- both were scum

Andres

04-23-2007, 08:13

Andres

04-23-2007, 08:17

Huh, well it seems this is going to be my farewell. Again, as I stated, I never recieved an envelope, so I suppose that lynching me is going to be the only way to prove my innocence. I guess that's just my fate for this game.

Getting lynched does not prove your innocence. On the contrary.

I'd just like to say that first, I've tried to contribute for this entire game, whereas Roadkill has been on the sidelines the whole time. Secondly, Roadkill could easily have accounted for the fact that we often end up extending these voting sessions, thus throwing suspision off of him when he sticks his vote in late. But as I said, I've no way to prove my innocence, so its just going to come down to all of you.

Roadkill was on the sidelines in previous games, lurking and not contributing much. He was innocent in those games... Counting on an extended voting session would have been very dangerous, risking his life. As mafia, you don't take such risks. He could have easily voted Caius, TB or no lynch with a short but decent argumentation, thus avoiding WoG without risking alot. He didn't.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-23-2007, 08:41

Ya'll should have remembered from last game how easy a lynch Roadkill is.

pevergreen

04-23-2007, 08:43

yeah. He always looks like mafia...thats the problem.

HughTower

04-23-2007, 10:46

Andres - welcome back.

Re: your suspicions of me.

I am alive, active & without a role or envelope, so I understand them completely. All I can say in my favour is that I was role-blocked by Sigurd over N4, while the CN attempted 2 kills. This, as Stig points out, makes me more likely to be innocent than not. However, it's hardly conclusive evidence, I agree, but it seems to be enough for you to exclude Caius from your suspect list - his behaviour this game is clearly different from his others.

Re: numbers of CN

It is wholly possible that there might only be 2 CN left - is there any reason we're assuming 3 (other than to be cautious)?

In my view then, our suspects are:

DoH
Roadkill
Khaan
Caius

Roadkill has been put in an impossible postion now btw. If he returns to vote, then he's back on the suspect list: if he doesn't he's WOG'd.

DoH & Caius have also gone quiet, & in doing so, seem have removed themselves from suspicion - why is this?

Khaan has been in the frame all game. Has anyone blocked/watched/investigated him? If not, why not? Hell, I was blocked & I've been off the danger radar for most of the game.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-23-2007, 10:51

We're assuming three due to our history of not lynching mafia in the first 5 rounds.

HughTower

04-23-2007, 11:05

We're assuming three due to our history of not lynching mafia in the first 5 rounds.

Which history? Where? :book:

Andres

04-23-2007, 11:15

but it seems to be enough for you to exclude Caius from your suspect list - his behaviour this game is clearly different from his others.

As is yours. You're more aggressive normally, a style which got you lynched as a townie before. Now, you seem to be more cautious, avoiding to provoke or anger players... You are usually less concerned about that.

Roadkill has been put in an impossible postion now btw. If he returns to vote, then he's back on the suspect list: if he doesn't he's WOG'd.

I think he won't come back. And don't pm him to come back, playing the good townie who wants everyone to participate ~;) Let's see if he returns spontaneously.

DoH & Caius have also gone quiet, & in doing so, seem have removed themselves from suspicion - why is this?

Erh... DoH and Caius are on several people's suspect list. Greaterkhaan, DoH, you and Caius are prime suspects.

Roadkill didn't vote for 2 subsequent rounds. A mafioso would have saved his skin by now by voting.

Khaan has been in the frame all game. Has anyone blocked/watched/investigated him? If not, why not? Hell, I was blocked & I've been off the danger radar for most of the game.

Who knows what others know, who knows. You're a suspect, so don't be surprised nobody shares valuable information with you. Nothing personal. ~;)

Sasaki Kojiro

04-23-2007, 11:26

Which history? Where? :book:

Ichi's game, Mafia VI, mafia V, Mafia I, Mafia II, Mafia III...

Also, I don't really see xehh as mafia and I know I'm not, so your theory is a little off. Why do you keep pushing the 2 cn theory? It's better to err on the side of caution. You seem to want us to be careless here.

HughTower

04-23-2007, 12:29

You're more aggressive normally, a style which got you lynched as a townie before. Now, you seem to be more cautious, avoiding to provoke or anger players... You are usually less concerned about that.

You're right. I am not proud that I have angered people before - this is a game after all - & I've made an effort to be less prickly.

I have still challenged people throughout this game & will continue to do so.

I think he {Roadkill} won't come back. And don't pm him to come back, playing the good townie who wants everyone to participate Let's see if he returns spontaneously.

What a plan! We're in such a position of strength that we simply don't need every townie that we can get our hands on! :no:

Welcome to Salem.:help:

Who knows what others know, who knows. You're a suspect, so don't be surprised nobody shares valuable information with you. Nothing personal.

I'm not asking them to. Nor did I ask everyone to spill their roles out into the public domain as soon as they got them. Nor did I ask them to tell me that I've been role-blocked, or Seamus & Caius have been watched, or any of the other results.

My point is, Andres, that I know I'm a suspect, & I understand why. You, however, need to remain open-minded to every possibility at this point.

Ichi's game, Mafia VI, mafia V, Mafia I, Mafia II, Mafia III....

Those games you've listed have very few roles, which explains the importance of the end game. A lot of the other themed games show a different pattern (eg. CdiT, Graffiti, CN, Rise of the Mob). I postulate that this is because the no. of additional roles generate more chat & therefore more mistakes/succesful investigations/protections/vigilante kills were achieved.

This is obvious, so, Sasaki, why are you pointing us towards those games for comparison?

Also, I don't really see xehh as mafia and I know I'm not, so your theory is a little off.

Well, we don't know you're not. You were lynched for acting like Mafia & nothing has come to light to disprove or prove that. Xehh would most likely have been lynched as well for the same reasons.

Why do you keep pushing the 2 cn theory? It's better to err on the side of caution. You seem to want us to be careless here.

The very opposite - I want us to stop taking things for granted. There are a number of assumptions being made which are potentially dangerous & I am challenging them - no more, no less than that.

Dutch_guy

04-23-2007, 12:57

I hate to bring up two more options
- Dutch was scum but since he was doomed TB voted to look good
- both were scum

Those are indeed two other options, but:

- Dutch was scum but since he was doomed TB voted to look good
* Dutch wasn't doomed, it was a tie. That close to the end, the CN wouldn't waste one of them. TB is converted and thus expandable. They would have used him to safe a mafiaosi.

- both were scum
* if both were scum, why let the converted CN expose himself? Let a townie decide and start prosecuting the one who broke the tie, try to get him lynched.

I wasn't doomed, TB put the final vote for me. Meaning he wanted me dead, as otherwise it would have been a tie and the town could have seen the error of it's way. However, TB sealed my fate at a time when he didn't have to, which to me sounds like a convert. It all makes sense, as the one-night-kill was fairly early on, when the mafia tend to target the lurkers/newer people.

By the way, you two both owe me a beer when this game is over, and I turn out to be innocent.

:balloon2:

Andres

04-23-2007, 12:59

What a plan! We're in such a position of strength that we simply don't need every townie that we can get our hands on! :no:

Think about it. We lynch a suspect and another possible suspect gets WoG'ed... Besides, you voted Roadkill and now you are calling him a townie. You voted him, so you should be convinced he is mafia, so why are you upset about a mafia getting WoG'ed...?

The town is doing great, the CN got only 2 kills in the last two nights. At this pace, we can eliminate all suspects (i.e. not confirmed innocents) and win the game.

sapi

04-23-2007, 13:08

By the way, you two both owe me a beer when this game is over, and I turn out to be innocent. I didn't actually vote for you - CF was the better lynch.

Andres

04-23-2007, 13:14

By the way, you two both owe me a beer when this game is over, and I turn out to be innocent.

:balloon2:

The town appreciates your sacrifice :bow: If you turn out to be innocent, you will get a statue in Gisenyi :bow:

seireikhaan

04-23-2007, 13:30

The town appreciates your sacrifice :bow: If you turn out to be innocent, you will get a statue in Gisenyi :bow:

Will I get one too? Oh and just curious, since it seems pretty much sealed by this point, why does everyone want me lynched so bad?

Andres

04-23-2007, 14:01

Will I get one too? Oh and just curious, since it seems pretty much sealed by this point, why does everyone want me lynched so bad?
We assume the worst case scenario: all 3 original CN's are still alive.

Process of elimination leaves us with 5 possible suspects (TB converted, he is on the side of the CN, but we don't need to lynch the converted ones to win this game):

Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Roadkill
Caius

Roadkill will get WoG'ed or at least didn't care about getting WoG'ed.

4 left:

Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Caius

Caius got watched by Stig and was at home last night. HughTower got blocked by Sigurd the night before, but the CN managed to get two kills.

So Caius or HughTower are innocent. This means greaterkhaan and DoH must be guilty. You were in the running with Roadkill. To avoid lynching Roadkill and to make sure all 4 (3 original and 1 converted) votes of the CN wouldn't be able to lynch a townie, all townies still intrested in this game needed to vote you, to make sure a CN gets lynched.

HughTower

04-23-2007, 14:02

Think about it. We lynch a suspect and another possible suspect gets WoG'ed... Besides, you voted Roadkill and now you are calling him a townie. You voted him, so you should be convinced he is mafia, so why are you upset about a mafia getting WoG'ed...?

The town is doing great, the CN got only 2 kills in the last two nights. At this pace, we can eliminate all suspects (i.e. not confirmed innocents) and win the game.

I suggest you might like to 'think about it'.

Because the more likely he is to be WoG'd, the less likely he is to be Mafia - you & I are in complete agreement on that. However, my vote remains on him in the increasingly vain hope that it pressures him into turning up.

If, on the other hand, you (or any of the other confirmeds) can tell me that khaan is definitely scummy, then he'll have my vote too.

And, yes, we are going to win if the CN keep killing at this pace, & if they do, I'll happily tie the noose around my own neck, because it won't make a blind bit of difference. But, if they don't, then we're going to need the safety net of as many townies as we can lay our hands on.

Andres

04-23-2007, 14:26

Because the more likely he is to be WoG'd, the less likely he is to be Mafia - you & I are in complete agreement on that. However, my vote remains on him in the increasingly vain hope that it pressures him into turning up.

Your vote won't pressure him, since GK is in the lead with a large margin. The threat of a WoG is pressure enough on him.

In my post 1170 you'll read why I am convinced both greaterkhaan and DoH are guilty. You are in balance with Caius.

Stig

04-23-2007, 14:32

Hugh look at this:

We assume the worst case scenario: all 3 original CN's are still alive.

Process of elimination leaves us with 5 possible suspects (TB converted, he is on the side of the CN, but we don't need to lynch the converted ones to win this game):

Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Roadkill
Caius

Roadkill will get WoG'ed or at least didn't care about getting WoG'ed.

4 left:

Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Caius

Caius got watched by Stig and was at home last night. HughTower got blocked by Sigurd the night before, but the CN managed to get two kills.

So Caius or HughTower are innocent. This means greaterkhaan and DoH must be guilty. You were in the running with Roadkill. To avoid lynching Roadkill and to make sure all 4 (3 original and 1 converted) votes of the CN wouldn't be able to lynch a townie, all townies still intrested in this game needed to vote you, to make sure a CN gets lynched.

That's how it is. End of it.
DoH and Khaan are mafia. Twilight is the converted and you or Caius take the 3rd spot.
The only other option is that Sigurd is mafia, but that change isn't really big.

Sigurd

04-23-2007, 14:54

Unvote, vote: Khaan

I doubt Sigurd told anyone who he did block
This is not entirely correct.
I pm'ed pevergreen who I was blocking last night and yet he proclaims he only got two pms.

Some things are a vague at best. pever claims knowledge that Twilight is a converted townie. How about sharing that info?

Roadkill is in danger of WoG that is right, so is DoH. If neither is Casanova we are doomed as that will make us loose 3 players this round. They better vote before midnight (Eastern).

Andres

04-23-2007, 14:58

This is not entiredly correct.
I pm'ed pevergreen who I was blocking last night and yet he proclaims he only got two pms.

Some things are a vague at best. pever claims knowledge that Twilight is a converted townie. How about sharing that info?

Roadkill is in danger of WoG that is right, so is DoH. If neither is Casanova we are doomed as that will make us lose 3 players this round. They better vote before midnight (Eastern).

DoH voted two rounds ago. He needs to vote next round to avoid WoG, not this round.

Sigurd

04-23-2007, 15:02

DoH voted two rounds ago. He needs to vote next round to avoid WoG, not this round.
According to my tally he missed round 4 and 5. If you base your knowledge on Kommodus' posting he did not put DoH up as a no vote in round 4 but if you look closely you will not find him amongst the voters either.

[edit]: I see Kommodus is seeking two replacements to this game...
That tells me he wants the game to last a few more rounds and that RoadKill and DoH probably are innocent

Andres

04-23-2007, 15:12

According to my tally he missed round 4 and 5. If you base your knowledge on Kommodus' posting he did not put DoH up as a no vote in round 4 but if you look closely you will not find him amongst the voters either.

Maybe you're right (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1516205&postcount=46)

DoH and RK: WoG
Mafia: HughTower, Caius and greaterkhaan ?

Who did you block last night Sigurd?

Sigurd

04-23-2007, 15:16

Maybe you're right (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1516205&postcount=46)

DoH and RK: WoG
Mafia: HughTower, Caius and greaterkhaan ?

Who did you block last night Sigurd?
If the players above are the Casanovas... then HughTower and Twilight? must have been active last night
I blocked greaterkhaan.

Warmaster Horus

04-23-2007, 15:18

So that would be why there was only 1 kill.
GK would have targeted Stig, and because of the block it wouldn't have worked. The "attacker" was Sigurd, if I understood correctly?

Stig

04-23-2007, 15:51

No I'm pretty sure I was protected ... intuition

Sigurd

04-23-2007, 15:58

before I forget:

vote: greaterkhaan
the reason should be obvious.

Warmaster Horus

04-23-2007, 16:12

So, Stig, you're saying there are 3 mafias left... Unless we're making a mistake with lynching GK.

Stig

04-23-2007, 16:35

So, Stig, you're saying there are 3 mafias left... Unless we're making a mistake with lynching GK.
Yup 3 mafia left.

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

Innocent
Unknown (either Caius or Hugh is mafia)
Mafia
Mostlikely innocent
Converted

Last night neither Caius or Khaan could do anything.
This means that the kills where done by the converted (Twilight) and the other mafia (DoH).

Other options:
-DoH is no mafia and both Caius and Hugh are mafia (small change)
-Sigurd is mafia (in which case we have lost)

HughTower

04-23-2007, 20:05

In light of Roadkill's imminent WoGness, I succumb to the logic of the thread.

Unvote, vote: greaterkhaan.

It appears that you must be Mafia.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-23-2007, 20:18

In light of Roadkill's imminent WoGness, I succumb to the logic of the thread.

Reluctantly ~:)

The very opposite - I want us to stop taking things for granted. There are a number of assumptions being made which are potentially dangerous & I am challenging them - no more, no less than that.

assuming there are more mafia then there are isn't dangerous.

HughTower

04-23-2007, 20:43

Reluctantly ~:)

Feeling the need to put words in my mouth, Sasaki? Am I not providing you with the case you'd like to make? What a shame!

assuming there are more mafia then there are isn't dangerous.

I'll spell it out for you, although you know what I'm getting at, shall I?

If there are 3 CNs left, then that means Xehh, Dutch & you are all innocent, which means that your input & guidance can be considered in the town's interest. HOWEVER, if there are less than 3 left then, it means that one of you were CN, & your past, present, & future participation in this thread should be considered in this light.

And that, my friend, is why making assumptions about there being 'more mafia than there aren't' is dangerous. :smash:

EDIT: It wot was bad grammer, like. EDIT

Warmaster Horus

04-23-2007, 21:49

Uh, guys, I'm not sure if you noticed, but Kommodus posted in the "Mafia replacements thread", saying something about two potential replacements.
We've got two players who are about to get WoG'ed. See the relation?
And, remember, replacements get to keep the role of the person they replace.

pevergreen

04-23-2007, 21:50

I only recieved PM's from Seamus and Sigurd. One from Warmaster Horus saying i was pretty stupid to post something that i did. :shrug:
EDIT: Yes Horus, it has been pointed out in numerous posts.

Warmaster Horus

04-23-2007, 21:56

Ah, right. Just to remind the town that Roadkill and Destroyer of Hope aren't necesarily innocent.

Stig

04-23-2007, 22:00

Doesn't matter, this will be over in a couple of hours, and no-one wanted to replace yet, which means WoG

RoadKill

04-24-2007, 02:57

AH... I'm terribly sorry guys, I have been really caught up with school, and did not have to time to play, terribly sorry, so i guess i'll just bandwagon for now Vote: great kahn

pevergreen

04-24-2007, 03:01

Vote: Roadkill

Im sorry, not enough of a reason.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-24-2007, 03:11

Vote: Roadkill

Im sorry, not enough of a reason.

I concur, but will let my vote ride unless we, en masse, wish to shift to roadkill.

EDIT:

Early meeting, so off to bed.

Kommodus: if permissible with you, I grant Andres my proxy for a vote change on my behalf from GK to RK should he deem it necessary.

Kommodus

04-24-2007, 05:15

Voting closed. Stand by for execution.

Kommodus

04-24-2007, 07:00

Day 6

It was a scene many had hoped they had seen the last of years ago. Although heroic efforts had been devoted to cleaning up the devastation from the more than decade-old genocide, it still occasionally happened that a new discovery would be made – an impromptu mass grave, a ditch stuffed with corpses, a body thrown down a well. These constant reminders of the atrocities humans were capable of always carried the stench of death, even days after the cleanup crews had finished their work.

This same odor permeated the atmosphere of the once-pleasant field where the people of Gisenyi assembled to discuss important matters. The days when these assemblies had been brotherly and constructive affairs had been erased from most memories. Blood stains on the ground were a vivid symbol of this change. The despair was palpable, and enthusiasm for their grisly ritual had dropped to a dismal level.

Nevertheless, the people pressed on stoically, desperately clinging to the hope that they could still save some of their countrymen. To give up would be to accept their fate, and then there would be no reason to do anything other than go home and wait to die. Many had thought of leaving town, but there was simply nowhere to go. In this part of the world, violence seemed to pursue those who fled.

At this particular assembly, it didn’t take long for greaterkhaan to be accused. A relative newcomer to Gisenyi, he had immediately made efforts to become a part of the community, contributing when he could. Now, however, these efforts were coming back to haunt him.

“Isn’t that exactly how a criminal trying to stay hidden would act?” someone pointed out when greaterkhaan tried to defend himself. “Anyone can pretend to be helpful; but then, what good have you really done for any of us?” The tide of public opinion turned swiftly and irrevocably against the condemned man.

Having observed the fate of so many of those accused before him, greaterkhaan soon abandoned his feeble defense. “If this is indeed the will of my countrymen,” he said, “so be it.”

As he was forced to his knees, greaterkhaan met the gazes of his accusers evenly. “I want you to know that I only tried to help,” he said with resignation. “I bid you all farewell.”

With that, the machete separated his head from his body, and more blood stained the once-green grass.

…

One individual had not been present at this particular assembly; for that matter, he had been absent from many. At about the same time the session was concluding, Destroyer of Hope was racing down an uneven dirt road north of town in a barely-functioning Ford Escort, his errand unknown.

The previous night’s rainstorm had turned much of the road into a soppy, sticky mess. The Escort’s tires spun and slid through the mire as the small engine strained under the demands placed on it. The darkness of the night didn’t help as DoH tried to guide his small car along the winding road.

Suddenly a sharp turn materialized directly ahead! DoH slammed on the brakes and spun the wheel rapidly, causing the vehicle to slide straight off the edge of the road. Two of the tires found their way into a ditch filled with mud, and the car came to an abrupt and jarring halt. DoH groaned as he felt it settle a bit deeper into the mire.

Cursing, he grabbed a flashlight and got out of the car to survey the damage. The tires on the right side were almost completely submerged. How was he to free the car from this mess? He opened the trunk and began rummaging about for a tow line.

However, his search was interrupted by a low growl coming from the bushes at the edge of the road. DoH whirled about and shone his flashlight in the direction of the sound. A pair of menacing, glowing eyes peered out at him from the jungle!

Instead of retreating to the safety of the car, DoH panicked. He screamed, turned, and fled down the road in the direction he had come from. The mud sucked at his feet as he ran as fast as he could, certain he could hear breathing and the padding of feet behind him, growing ever closer.

He felt a glimmer of hope as he neared a bridge he had crossed earlier. The river below offered sanctuary from whatever large predator pursued him. Racing down the bank, he dove into the dark water. Only when he had placed some distance between himself and the shore did he allow himself to look back.

He was greeted only by the soft night breeze and the full moon. The tiger he had imagined was nowhere to be seen. With a huge sigh of relief, he began to head back to shore.

At that moment a great vice-like force clamped down on DOH’s leg! Panic rose in his throat again as he instinctively thrashed against it. However, the alligator’s bone-crushing grip would not loosen. DoH screamed and sputtered as its teeth bit into him again and again, dragging him beneath the surface. A few moments later, his neck was snapped and his struggles ceased. The alligator settled down contentedly for a meal.

Vote Count

greaterkhaan: 7 (AndresTheCunning, HughTower, RoadKill, Seamus Fermanagh; Sigurd Fafnesbane, Stig, Warmaster Horus)

RoadKill: 2 (greaterkhaan, pevergreen)

Not Voting: 3 (Caius Flaminius, Destroyer of Hope, TwilightBlade)

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy
sapi

Lynched

Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan

Suicide

Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo

Died of Mysterious Causes

Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Destroyer of Hope

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

Stig

04-24-2007, 07:13

You're going down Roadkill

And how on earth did DoH manage to miscount.
Mafia:
Khaan
Roadkill
Hugh or Caius (50-50, tho Caius didn't vote this round)

Roadkill voted Khaan because he was death anyway

Or we allready lynched a mafia, but lets take it like this

Andres

04-24-2007, 08:09

I think Roadkill is innocent. Which leaves Hugh and Caius.

sapi

04-24-2007, 08:15

Townies, please pm me your actions so we can coordinate to some extent.

pevergreen

04-24-2007, 09:21

:laugh4: You'll be lucky to get two PM's sapi, this co-ordination is terrible.

Roadkill is our next lynch though.

sapi

04-24-2007, 09:43

We probably shouldn't discuss this right now, but I'm not sure RK is a good idea...

Will discuss in morning, to be sure.

pevergreen

04-24-2007, 10:25

But morning is Anzac day. Roadkill is our next lynch. BECAUSE HE IS MAFIA!!

Andres

04-24-2007, 10:55

But morning is Anzac day. Roadkill is our next lynch. BECAUSE HE IS MAFIA!!

Mafia would never take the risk of getting WoG'ed. How could he have known Kommo would have extended the voting period? Mafia wouldn't take such a risk... If there are still 2 CN's left, it has to be Caius and HughTower.

pevergreen

04-24-2007, 11:22

But he could have asked Kommo to extend it because of the inbalance of Killfr3nzy.

Warmaster Horus

04-24-2007, 13:22

If he asked Kommo to extend it, he could have voted earlier too. I think.

Killfr3nzy

04-24-2007, 13:40

Bah pever, I don't think I technicaly broke (m)any rules, but Kommo didn't want a private townie-network formed in this game. Which is something you, andres and meybe some others did, before revealing in public also.
So rarara. :soapbox:
Also ra.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-24-2007, 20:04

I've PM'd pever' and andres based on their in-thread requests for coordinated effort -- actually, I think the original call to do so was from Siggy.

Kommodus, have I transgressed? If so, my apologies. :shame:

Kommodus

04-24-2007, 20:51

There is no rule against sending PMs to each other. The rules are against revealing identities and role-acquired information privately.

pevergreen

04-25-2007, 01:53

RoadKill

04-25-2007, 03:10

As I can see i will be the next lynch so I have nothing in my defence, becuase as you can see I have been lurking quite a lot, because of school.

Warmaster Horus

04-25-2007, 08:02

As I can see i will be the next lynch so I have nothing in my defence, becuase as you can see I have been lurking quite a lot, because of school.

School, in my most humble opinion, does not stop you from coming here. At the very least, you should have said it at the start that you would be busy. It would look better to give yourself an excuse before lurking. Afterwards it makes you looks suspicious.

sapi

04-25-2007, 08:07

I know for a fact that several other people here have the exact same school demands as you, RK....

Andres

04-25-2007, 08:31

On the other hand, I remember Roadkill not participating alot in Ichigo's last game. His defense was almost non-existant and pretty bad.

By lynching him, the town lost the game...

Sasaki Kojiro

04-25-2007, 09:12

I would go for other people first. People who are going to be here and defend themselves. Caius never defends himself well. Hughtower will provide more information.

You guys also seriously need to consider who you have ruled out as innocent.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-25-2007, 09:15

pevergreen

04-25-2007, 09:17

I know for a fact that several other people here have the exact same school demands as you, RK....
Me, Twilightblade, Killfr3nzy and Cimmerian are all in the second last year of high school at this point in time. We manage. Well, me and Killfr3nzy do.

Andres

04-25-2007, 09:54

Sigurd

04-25-2007, 10:13

e.g. Andres, what is the proof of your innocence? You were investigated, but so was I and the detective did not contradict me when I claimed my innocence was proven. You have also drastically picked up your posting since then and have led the town. Your dutch_guy vote is questionable.

He is right you know… I guess I have been kept in the dark here.
Andres tells us that pever and stig can vouch for him as with Ichigo. There can be only two options for this. Either the detective investigated all and somehow created a network where all the investigatees were told so – and the results.
Sasaki was one of them but received an ambiguous result. I have not seen or heard about the Andres result and if it is as ambiguous. If this is all that the vouching is about, it is hardly proving any innocence until we see the results.

However the other option is better at this. Someone saved both pever and stig from being killed/converted by the Casanovas. Kommodus sent pms to them telling them who their savior was. If this is what the vouching is about, Andres is clearly innocent. I doubt that my blocking results will be narrated in the story. If I succeed the result would be as if someone was converted = no kill description.

HughTower

04-25-2007, 10:46

I would go for other people first. People who are going to be here and defend themselves. Caius never defends himself well. Hughtower will provide more information.

I'm useful like that, full to the brim with information - weather, share prices, recipes, you name it, I've got it.

So my interpretation of that first paragraph is that you've just provided the CN with a call to action to lurk......

Great work, Sasaki.

You guys also seriously need to consider who you have ruled out as innocent.

For once, I agree with you. Certain assumptions have been made which need challenging.

BUT, NOT AT NIGHT TIME, SURELY!

As you do here.....

e.g. Andres, what is the proof of your innocence?

I will say, however, there are, I feel, better targets for our scepticism, though I hesitate to name them right now.

sapi

04-25-2007, 11:30

I don't trust Andres, tbh, but this is not the time for it...

pevergreen

04-25-2007, 12:35

ergo, i dont trust you after that.

But then again. I can prove he is innocent, unless Ichigo gave him the investigation PM. Because he said Sasaki had a different one.

Im just surprised the mafia refuses to take out a confirmed innocent.

Andres

04-25-2007, 13:23

I don't trust Andres, tbh

:bigcry:

Warmaster Horus

04-25-2007, 13:30

Please guys... Stop talking.
It's night time, and that means danger to us all.

Stig

04-25-2007, 13:47

Sasaki started the talking and Sigurd went on with it, maybe we should make something of that

Warmaster Horus

04-25-2007, 15:21

We will see about that during the day.

Sigurd

04-25-2007, 16:03

I just read the kill description of Destroyer of Hope...

Tigers and Alligators in Africa?
Come on man... its Lions and Crocodiles :wall: ... :beam:

Seamus Fermanagh

04-25-2007, 17:39

<<John Cleese voice>>

A tiger?....In Africa?

Sasaki Kojiro

04-25-2007, 18:12

Guys I've been mafia and I've always made up my mind before reading the posts during the night.

Andres

04-25-2007, 18:27

Guys I've been mafia and I've always made up my mind before reading the posts during the night.

Patience, my son, patience. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patience)

Sasaki Kojiro

04-25-2007, 18:45

Patience, my son, patience. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patience)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laziness

Seamus Fermanagh

04-25-2007, 18:52

Welly, welly, well.

Let's tie the last few posts together. :yes:

I quoted from "The Meaning of Life."

Sasaki and Andres hurled cardinal sins and virtues at one another.

The Link? :inquisitive:

It's all on the same subject :yes: , as The Meaning of Life was a series of vignettes exploring, comedically, those same sins and virtues.

Let's hear it, fans of culture! :devilish:

Andres

04-25-2007, 19:03

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laziness

I prefer to call it prudence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prudence).

Sasaki Kojiro

04-25-2007, 19:14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prudery

Warmaster Horus

04-25-2007, 19:20

And I call your discussion annoying. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annoying)

Andres

04-25-2007, 20:24

Hey, I didn't ask for discussion, Sasaki did. :saint:

Anyway : :focus:

Besides, Sasaki, weren't you the one who insisted on having discussion at night in Ichigo's game, where you were the godfather :inquisitive:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-25-2007, 20:44

I always insist on it. Every single game. Now, if you have suspects you can't prove anything against then you don't mention them at all in the hopes that they get killed. Obviously.

Kommodus

04-25-2007, 20:54

Night 7

While most of the people had opted to return straight home after the bloody business at the latest Gacaca session, one individual had decided on a different course. Stig made a beeline straight for Keke’s bar, the only oasis in town. A mug of dark malted sweet stout, brewed at the nearby Brasseries Et Limonaderies Du brewery, was precisely what was needed to fortify him for the coming night, he decided – far better than the machetes and rifles used by most of his countrymen to ward off an enemy that plainly could not be stopped by force alone.

He pushed his way through the door to find himself the only individual in the serving area – save for the bartender, who sat dejectedly behind the bar watching a late-night news program. As he approached the bar, Stig began to wonder about the motives of this curious criminal syndicate, the Cosa Nuova. Everyone had assumed the usual expected motives of organized crime – money, power, influence. However, if things continued as they were, the Cosa Nuova would inherit only an economically ravaged ghost town.

The bartender looked up hopefully. “What can I get for you?” he asked. Stig smiled warmly as he sat at the bar and ordered his usual. Even in the darkest of times, he was one customer that could be counted on faithfully.

For a while, the two conversed easily, grateful for the privilege of taking their minds off of the recent disasters. However, in the back of his mind Stig knew he couldn’t stay for long. Exercising an impressive amount of self-control, he downed the last of his single mug and bid his friend farewell.

“Stay safe,” the bartender urged as Stig exited the bar. Stig gave a casual salute and closed the door behind him.

Though he didn’t live far from Keke’s, he had made it less than a third of the way home when he was startled a voice directly behind him. “Excuse me!” it said simply.

Stig whirled about to see a slight angular figure wearing a cowl that covered its eyes. In the dark and with the disguise, it was impossible to identify the figure. He didn’t have long to wonder, however, as the next moment he was bludgeoned in the forehead with a heavy wooden club.

Everything turned white and his head swam as Stig felt his legs give out. While not quite unconscious, he was completely dazed. In this barely perceptive state, he felt himself being dragged roughly along the ground. The darkness around him seemed to grow deeper. The shadowy attacker dumped him in a corner, then stooped over him brandishing something sharp.

At that moment, Stig heard shouting coming from further away. “Get away from him!” the voice was shouting. “I won’t let you get away with another murder!”

The dark figure turned sharply, looking in the direction of the new voice. It immediately took off at a dead run. Stig was able to make out two sets of running footsteps as the pursuit commenced. The footsteps soon faded into the distance.

Gradually, the shapes around him came back into focus as Stig regained full consciousness. He found himself in a dark ally, his head splitting but otherwise unharmed. Picking himself up, he began dragging himself home as quickly as he could.

…

Later that night, AndresTheCunning was awakened by the sound of wheels moving across a tiled surface and the feeling of being jarred. At first he thought it was dark all around him, but he quickly realized that this was because his face was pressed into a molded cutout. Trying to move, he realized he was strapped face-down onto something soft that was moving along at a brisk pace. If he had been able to see, he would have realized he was being pushed down a dim, narrow hallway on a gurney.

“Mmph!” said Andres, struggling to lift his head out of the mold. This he failed to do, and soon the gurney came to a stop. The sound of wheels squeaking against the floor was replaced by the brisk clicking of shoes against the linoleum.

“Well, it looks as if you’ve awakened,” a decidedly hostile voice said. “As you can no doubt perceive I am not in the mood for conversation tonight… least of all with a meddler such as yourself. If even the very intelligent cannot understand our noble aspirations, what of an ignorant fool like yourself who blunders into obstructing the good of his own race?”

“Mmph,” protested Andres, trying to argue. He found himself unable to make the eloquent argument he was hoping for.

“Well, no matter,” the voice sighed. “We have ways of putting even the worst specimens to good use.” There was the sound of various metal implements clinking against each other, then a sharp whirring sound. “If you survive this operation, unlikely as that outcome seems to me, you will see the error of your ways and will inherit a place in the new world order that is coming.”

Suddenly Andres felt a searing pain in his skull. He thrashed desperately, trying to scream into the mold covering his face. After a few seconds of this, the whirring sound stopped, though his head still throbbed.

Andres heard the distinctive click of a button on a tape recorder. “Stage one complete,” the acidic voice said. “I’ve removed a piece of the subject’s skull. This time the nanites will be injected directly into the medulla oblongata to facilitate rapid transmission to the vital parts of the brain. Severe system shock caused by the release of adrenalin is expected.”

The ‘surgeon’ standing over Andres drew a long syringe and inserted it deeply into the divot in his patient’s head. Andres’ body froze as he went numb from shock. After the agony of the first stage, this sensation was almost merciful.

However, it didn’t last long. Unconsciousness took him in minutes, and soon the last of his vital functions shut down as his brain succumbed to the nanite assault.

…

Despite the discovery of the body of AndresTheCunning, stuffed into a culvert running underneath one of the town roads, some of the people detected a hint of something like hope in the demeanor of mayor Rwigema.

“My friends,” he said to the gathered assembly, “though we haven’t yet defeated the Cosa Nuova, we are having some success in slowing them down. In the last three days they have managed to kill only three of us. We may yet have a glimmer of hope.”

“However,” he cautioned, “we must make the most of every opportunity. We have very little time left. Use every last shred of wisdom you possess to discover the guilty in our midst, or we are lost.”

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy
sapi
AndresTheCunning

Lynched

Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan

Suicide

Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo

Died of Mysterious Causes

Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Destroyer of Hope

Still Alive

Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

Stig

04-25-2007, 21:01

Right now things get difficult.
Mafia killed 2
Roadkill did not leave his house

Sigurd did you block Twilight?

If yes I find this strange, as it would mean the mafia doesn't use it's easy convert to kill people.

Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

Four oranges, one of those is innocent as well.
Who is it?

Andres

04-25-2007, 21:12

pevergreen - innocent, because I say so :brood:
Stig - innocent, because I say so :brood:
TwilightBlade - converted, because pevergreen says so :brood:

Warmaster Horus - claimed vigilante, had only one kill, used it when Xehh II got killed, that night there were three murder attempts - most likely innocent :yes:
Seamus Fermanagh - claimed to have a role from the very start of the game, only has 33 % chance of succes, tried to protect me last night, apparently did not succeed. Name of the witch doctor sounds so weird, cannot believe he made that up himself, most likely innocent :yes:

RoadKill - suspect - was running a high risk of getting WoG'ed though, overall non participation and semi-suspicious behaviour got him lynched in Ichigo's game, where he was innocent. Imo, he is innocent

Caius Flaminius - suspect. Caius, you should quit your mantra "if I post alot, I get lynched" and start talking. You're only posting when not under fire. Last round you were not targeted directly by getting voted, but there were some serious accusations, yet you didn't comment nor bothered to vote. You're number 1 on my suspect list.
HughTower - suspect, overall less aggressive than usual. On the other hand, sounds cooperative. Still suspicious about him. Intuition puts him number 2 on my list
Sigurd Fafnesbane - suspect, I didn't reveal, but he figured out my role on the first night after we got the enveloppes. If he was Casanova, I would have been death on that first night. That's why he has the lowest postion on my list.

But Sigurd has some explaining to do. Who did you block; what did you learn tonight?

Question for Stig: Stig, did you send several pm's to Sigurd during the whole afternoon (+/- 14h00-16h30 our time)?

@ sapi, pevergreen, Seamus, Stig: did any of you tell Sigurd who Stig was supposed to watch this night as well as any the previous nights?

Andres

04-25-2007, 21:27

On second thoughts, nobody ever watched HughTower. He got blocked by Sigurd on the first night after we got the enveloppes. At least that's what Sigurd claimed.

If there are still 2 Casanova's left, I think it's Sigurd and HughTower :inquisitive:

Stig

04-25-2007, 21:49

Stig, did you send several pm's to Sigurd during the whole afternoon (+/- 14h00-16h30 our time)?
Yup 2
But he send his PM first.

So his reply to your PM in which you asked him what he was doing is suspicious:
I wasn't bugging him, he contacted me.

Vote: Sigurd

Game over laddy

You can block abilities (atleast you claim so) would I be mafia you would have been long death

Caius

04-25-2007, 22:23

Caius Flaminius - suspect. Caius, you should quit your mantra "if I post alot, I get lynched" and start talking. You're only posting when not under fire. Last round you were not targeted directly by getting voted, but there were some serious accusations, yet you didn't comment nor bothered to vote. You're number 1 on my suspect list.

Sorry for having a school life.

Vote:No Lynch

Will cast my vote soon.I have to re read it

Sigurd

04-25-2007, 22:24

Sorry guys... If you vote me, you give the game to the Casanovas.

I was wondering if the mafia would be smart enough to leave me alone this night.
Yes I was blocking TwilightBlade this night and I told Sapi I would. He coordinated this but gave no clues to what the other roles would do.

Being killed means your nighly activites failed Andres.. and that means someone else saved stig. It was not Seamus as he tried to protect you. I blocked Twilight as asked by someone (I forget who).

Yes, I contacted stig, commending him about putting suspicion on me as I and Sasaki was trying to put on Andres. That is what night discussion will do.
I too have been mafia a few times and I think I received the mafia of the year award for it.
Let the suspects live as they will take the blame and give an easy bandwagon for the mafia to join. As mafia I let the paranoid townies in the end game do the accusing and lynching. It worked both times I tried it. The mafia are doing it in this game. But Sasaki is right, the list of targets are set early and will be followed unless something comes up; that is you get a whiff of someones role or he/she gets suspicious enough to be lynched soon. No need to waste a kill on someone who is going to get lynched.

As mafioso it would be easy to join the pro-townies roles by quoting something from the mafia pm. something that you would be sure were in all pms. I think I received an award for that too.
Unless someone other than Twilight attacked stig, and pever has been lying about his role and it was in fact him protecting stig last night - I am innocent and blocked the expendable convert that has been operating for the Casanovas these last nights.

You do the math.

If we don't lynch a mafiosi this round there will be 6 left after next night as I am sure the mafia will get me and Seamus that night. We are the only threat left to them. If there is 3 Casanovas left, the town loose.