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pevergreen
05-07-2007, 06:49
Outright calling someone a noob is bordering on insults. Continue this way and i'll just block your posts Ichigo.
Outright calling someone a noob is bordering on insults. Continue this way and i'll just block your posts Ichigo.
No one called you a noob. Someone doesn't know how to take a joke.
Unvote
Vote: Blackaxe
As BZK said your acting suspicious, what are you hiding? This wasn't your first bandwagon, why vote for poor Redleg, because he uses the word scummy?
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Bandwagoning isn't very important in this game until it is the 7th or 8th vote on someone. This isn't a normal mafia game, it's not timed. It's amazing how many people rely on that when there voting since a mafiosi isn't likely to bandwagon at all.
It is when you are voting for someone who has not been proven quilty
It is when you are voting for someone who has not been proven quilty
I'm hoping by quilty you mean guilty otherwise this is extremely weird. No it's not since the only way you're going to prove someone guilty is if the detective reveals and they have a guilty result other than that all you can go on is posting changes from game-to-game, tone of their posts, etc. other than some choice things all you have is your gut instincts.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-07-2007, 07:55
Pannonion is innocent - his role will remain confidential as long as he wishes it to.
Vote: sapi (if it's not too late)
My informant informs me that sapi left the shop last night with either an Antidote, Weak Poison, or Strong Poison. My informant tells me that this would be the best option as a vote due to the chance that it is more likely to be a deadly package than a not-so-deadly package. sapi, my informant wants to know - what did you buy?
The Ichigo-Redleg box match: I know Redleg a bit and I can tell you this is not abnormal behavior for him. He doesn't like it when players don't take the game serious and start to spam or post in an annoying way (remember the youtube links Ichigo posted first round, I'm pretty sure this qualifies as "annoying" in Redlegs' book). Redleg wants to get rid off an annoying, "disturbing" player, hence his witch hunt. He doesn't like it when people ruin the game for him.
As for Ichigo, well, it's Ichigo :laugh4: But I think he's going back to his "normal" behaviour now, but maybe that is because he's being questioned and threatened with a lynching? :inquisitive: Nah, I don't think Ichigo is guilty in this game. Mildly suspicious, acting slightly different, but not guilty.
So, I'd suggest not to keep focusing on those two.
If Omanes is right, the eye of the inquisition should turn its' attention to sapi. He has alot to explain. As does Omanes. You are being a bit cryptic. Can someone confirm the correctness of your 'contact'? Maybe you or your 'contact' should contact Pannonian and ask him to tell us that you are telling the truth?
As for BlackAxe, I've seen his aggressive posting style before, but in this game, it seems more aggressive than usual. I'd keep an eye on him. If sapi comes with a decent explanation or Omanes' 'contact' doesn't get confirmed, BlackAxe seems like the lynch for today.
The Ichigo-Redleg box match: I know Redleg a bit and I can tell you this is not abnormal behavior for him. He doesn't like it when players don't take the game serious and start to spam or post in an annoying way (remember the youtube links Ichigo posted first round, I'm pretty sure this qualifies as "annoying" in Redlegs' book). Redleg wants to get rid off an annoying, "disturbing" player, hence his witch hunt. He doesn't like it when people ruin the game for him.
As for Ichigo, well, it's Ichigo :laugh4: But I think he's going back to his "normal" behaviour now, but maybe that is because he's being questioned and threatened with a lynching? :inquisitive: Nah, I don't think Ichigo is guilty in this game. Mildly suspicious, acting slightly different, but not guilty.
So, I'd suggest not to keep focusing on those two.
If Omanes is right, the eye of the inquisition should turn its' attention to sapi. He has alot to explain. As does Omanes. You are being a bit cryptic. Can someone confirm the correctness of you 'contact'? Maybe you or your 'contact' should contact Pannonian and ask him to tell us that you are telling the truth?
As for BlackAxe, I've seen his aggressive posting style before, but in this game, it seems more aggressive than usual. I'd keep an eye on him. If sapi comes with a decent explanation or Omanes' 'contact' doesn't get confirmed, BlackAxe seems like the lynch for today.
I was threatened with a lynch? Why wasn't I informed of this? I guess it got lost in the mail. Figures.
I was threatened with a lynch? Why wasn't I informed of this? I guess it got lost in the mail. Figures.
You came under fire. People picked on Redleg, but it was perfectly possible people where going to vote you instead of him.
Don't try to minimalise the argument by ridiculising it.
But then again, that's your usual style, so I guess you're innocent :laugh4:
You came under fire. People picked on Redleg, but it was perfectly possible people where going to vote you instead of him.
Don't try to minimalise the argument by ridiculising it.
But then again, that's your usual style, so I guess you're innocent :laugh4:
Oh come on, are you trying to get me killed? Even from the grave, Andres, even from the grave.:wall:
Oh come on, are you trying to get me killed? Even from the grave, Andres, even from the grave.:wall:
I don't think Ichigo is guilty in this game. Mildly suspicious, acting slightly different, but not guilty.
so I guess you're innocent
~:confused:
Pannonian
05-07-2007, 08:51
Unvote: Pannonian
Vote: Sapi
I'd like Sapi to explain his purchase. Antidote seems an awfully specific anti-mafia countermeasure (why not weapons?), while poison is even more incriminating.
Pannonian: 3 (Orb, Faust, Xehh II)
No lynch: 1 (GH)
BlackAxe: 4 (Kommo, Sapi, CF, Stig)
Xehh II: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Ichigo: 1 (Redleg)
Redleg: 3 (Ichigo, RoadKill, BlackAxe)
Sapi: 3 (BK, Pannonian, Omanes)
Redleg challenges Pevergreen
Ichi challenges TS
Stig challenges Pannonian
Sapi challenges Roadkill
Orb challenges Xehh II
Sigurd Fafnesbane challenges Ignoramus
Roadkill challenges Sapi
doc_bean
05-07-2007, 09:34
Unvote: Pannonian
Vote: Sapi
I'd like Sapi to explain his purchase. Antidote seems an awfully specific anti-mafia countermeasure (why not weapons?), while poison is even more incriminating.
Wait, where does ir say Sapi purchased antidote ?
I'm not used to the pace in these games anymore :embarassed:
vote:abstain
I've got nothing to go on right now. Might change it later.
Pannonian: 3 (Orb, Faust, Xehh II)
No lynch: 1 (GH)
BlackAxe: 4 (Kommo, Sapi, CF, Stig)
Xehh II: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Ichigo: 1 (Redleg)
Redleg: 3 (Ichigo, RoadKill, BlackAxe)
Sapi: 3 (BK, Pannonian, Omanes)
Redleg challenges Pevergreen
Ichi challenges TS
Stig challenges Pannonian
Sapi challenges Roadkill
Orb challenges Xehh II
Sigurd Fafnesbane challenges Ignoramus
Roadkill challenges Sapi
Gee, thanks, Omanes, a chance to explain this via PM would have been nice....
Yes, I brought an antidote.
Yes, that's an anti-mafia measure. It's a means of defending myself against an attack that I knew that I would be courting when I proposed a measured use of the Kung Fu system.
It is quite interesting to note that someone has the ability to watch the shop and see what is brought (evidenced by Pannonian's insistence that it was not visited N1 and someone seeing me with a bottle N2)
And before someone brings this up, I got the extra money though being the recipient of Tran's cash after his unfortunate lynching - this is why I know that he is innocent, as a mafioso would have kept the money within the circle.
So can we turn the inquisition's eyes away from a townie who was trying to defend himself and towards the people who caused the death of an innocent?
BlackAxe has completely failed to defend himself, and deserves the town's scrutiny.
My vote on him stands.
someone seeing me with a bottle N2)
Maybe Pannonian or Omanes can buy anti-dote the next night, just to make sure it does come in a bottle.
I just assumed it came in a bottle, as that was the only unifying characteristic I could think of between the three items Omanes mentioned...
Antidote will be too expensive to test-buy, btw
doc_bean
05-07-2007, 10:58
vote: BlackAxe
What did you buy at the store ?
Pannonian: 3 (Orb, Faust, Xehh II)
No lynch: 1 (GH)
BlackAxe: 5 (Kommo, Sapi, CF, Stig, doc)
Xehh II: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Ichigo: 1 (Redleg)
Redleg: 3 (Ichigo, RoadKill, BlackAxe)
Sapi: 3 (BK, Pannonian, Omanes)
Redleg challenges Pevergreen
Ichi challenges TS
Stig challenges Pannonian
Sapi challenges Roadkill
Orb challenges Xehh II
Sigurd Fafnesbane challenges Ignoramus
Roadkill challenges Sapi
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-07-2007, 11:19
Unvote: sapi
Blackaxe - my suspitions now rest upon you. What did you purchase on night one? Also, as others have said, you are yet to defend yourself - why? All I can see out of you is nothing but shifty acting and action.
Vote: BlackAxe
Unchallenge, Challenge: Redleg
Scummy vote support.
Interesting what a discussion will bring up.
I am still not statified with Omanes answers because they are still cryptic, but I am almost certain that he is for a town victory. It seems that most if not all have determined that Pannonian is also at least a pro-townie.
Ichigo is still all over the place and is annoying as hell, but is he mafia is the question?
Now the following players have not yet voted this round as of right now, taken from the tally so the abstain votes are being edited now. Found Sigard's post but did not notice a vote.
Warmaster Horus
pevergreen - Posted but did not vote
Greaterkhaan
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
Warluster
Sigurd - posted but did not vote
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar - posted but did not vote
TwilightBlade
The_Stranger - posted but did not vote
HughTower
Kagemusha
Beefy187
Current Tally adding Omanes vote
Pannonian: 3 (Orb, Faust, Xehh II)
No lynch: 1 (GH)
BlackAxe: 6 (Kommo, Sapi, CF, Stig, doc, Omanes)
Xehh II: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Ichigo: 1 (Redleg)
Redleg: 3 (Ichigo, RoadKill, BlackAxe)
Sapi: 3 (BK, Pannonian, Omanes)
Redleg challenges Pevergreen
Ichi challenges TS
Stig challenges Pannonian
Sapi challenges Roadkill
Orb challenges Xehh II
Sigurd Fafnesbane challenges Ignoramus
Roadkill challenges Sapi
One vote to lynch BA
Are we happy with this choice?
I'm confident, but we should make use of our extra time if anyone has any doubts...
Well going back and reading the posts - I can see where BlackAxe has condemned himself. Especially with the noob comment directed at me. However I don't know if we should finalize the vote yet with a lynch directed at him.
Several people have not particapted in the voting - while looking into the thread. Primarily Sigard and Ultrawar, this raises them to questionable status in my eyes. Each posted just once but did not vote.
Now I don't have Pevergreen listed as voting in the tally, but he also has been posting a lot, so I wonder if all of us have missed his vote. With that much activity from him it would be highly unlikely that he has not voted. Went back through the thread and found that he has not voted. This is also highly questionable to me.
The Stranger has also posted in the thread since the last mafia killing but has not voted. Which with him is not questionable, but his lack of spamming in this thread is.
pevergreen
05-07-2007, 12:21
Awwww...Im not suspicious, but i look at good candidates for lynch..
Ichigo would vote me for being a "crybaby"
Anyone else would be seen as bandwagoning and get me votes from Blackaxe and Roadkill.
Tomorrow i will vote, in about 14 hours. Sleep now. :yes:
ChuggtheSquirrel
05-07-2007, 12:27
Redleg also said scummy way more than once. Go read the posts again. It's also more than just saying scummy many times. He is adamant about attacking Ichigo for improper count. I just redid the count and almost everyone had the count wrong one way or another. His continuous attack on Ichigo is unnecessary, yet he keeps at it. This attack was out of the blue and is quite suspicious, more so than The Strangers randomness, and that is why I changed my vote.
Yeah, sorry about the "scummy" thing. I thought he said it just once... :embarassed: Not wanting to start a bandwagon. (That's what it seems like to me, not the 7-8 vote thing)
One vote to lynch BA
This round it's 8 votes to lynch, so you need two more votes if BlackAxe is the lynch of today. BlackAxe also got attacked by Kommodus earlier on this round.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-07-2007, 13:01
Redleg - I'm glad to hear that you accepted my explainations as being factual. I would be less cryptic, yet my infomant, whom I am speaking for most of the time, wishes me to be as inconspicous as possible to avoid him from being detected by the mafia and ending his good work for the town.
Well, Pannonian and Omanes' mysterious contact seem to be complementary. Pever confirmed part of the information Pannonian got last night. So all of this seems true.
I wonder though, why CA, HughTower nor TwilightBlade posted in the thread to confirm Pannonians reveal ...
Both CA and HughTower are usually pretty active in mafia games :inquisitive:
Where are you guys?
I like to remind the town that dead cannot pm, so if the mafia kills Omanes, we lose our contact with his 'contact'.
If there already is some sort of townies network, I suggest you protect both Pannonian and Omanes next night.
Kommodus
05-07-2007, 14:32
Just a few quick notes on recent comments:
1. It seems more likely to me that sapi did indeed buy the antidote than poison. I say this because I think the mafia can use weapons and poison without buying them, so why would they?
However, an antidote costs 40 gold, so he must have acquired the extra money from somewhere. The only thing he could've afforded on his own would be weak poison. I just can't think of a reason anyone would want that.
Also, it's possible I'm wrong and that the mafia need to buy poison to use it. I don't think this is the case, but if it is, the mafia would've probably had to pool their money so that one of them could get a dose of strong poison.
2. Regarding Ichigo, he gets a big FoS from me. I've been suspicious of him since the start of the game, but it's not enough (yet) to warrant my vote.
3. I believed Pannonian to be legit because his story seemed consistent to me, both internally and with the comments of others. Of course I'll keep watching, just as I watch everybody.
OK, it could be that Pann's mafia and is using his compadres to cover up, but that's a bit of a stretch for me.
I *think* Pann is innocent.
I'm not certain that blackaxe is guilty. Redleg's suspicious because of his anti-Ichigo tirade, but I think that's just his style. Sapi's suspicious because of the bottle bought. I'm not sure he's guilty either. Tran leaving him his money is a good enough reasoning for me.
The Mafia can presumably do vigilante style kills as well as their normal ones.
Unvote;
Challenge: Redleg
BA and Redleg are my top suspects. BA why did you buy something night one? How did you get enough money to do so?
Vote: BlackAxe
Pannonian: 3 (Xehh II)
No lynch: 1 (GH)
BlackAxe: 6 (Kommo, Sapi, CF, Stig, doc, Omanes, Faust)
Xehh II: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Ichigo: 1 (Redleg)
Redleg: 3 (Ichigo, RoadKill, BlackAxe)
Sapi: 3 (BK, Pannonian, Omanes)
Redleg challenges Pevergreen
Ichi challenges TS
Stig challenges Pannonian
Sapi challenges Roadkill
Orb challenges Xehh II
Sigurd Fafnesbane challenges Ignoramus
Roadkill challenges Sapi
Faust challenges Redleg
One more to lynch.
Corrected vote tally:
Pannonian: 1 (Xehh II)
No lynch: 1 (GH)
BlackAxe: 7 (Kommo, Sapi, CF, Stig, doc, Omanes, Faust)
Xehh II: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Ichigo: 1 (Redleg)
Redleg: 3 (Ichigo, RoadKill, BlackAxe)
Sapi: 3 (BK, Pannonian, Omanes)
Medicinal herbs, IIRC and prayer scrolls both cost 10 gold.
One more vote needed to lynch.
Please take a moment to think before killing off the guy.
The Stranger
05-07-2007, 16:05
vote blackaxe, to finish this fase
The Stranger
05-07-2007, 16:07
oh and challenge Sapi cuz he's suspicious
forgot to bold my vote but i cant edit... so srry
vote blackaxe, to finish this fase
"to finish this fase" is your motivation to vote BlackAxe? Not only to vote him, but also to cast the decisive vote leading to his dead?
You could have least tried to give a decent explanation...
BlackAxe's dead is inevitable now, but you still have a chance to explain yourself, for instance: right now.
:whip:
EDIT: and by voting BlackAxe, the day came to an end and your challenge is not valid imo. You should have first challenged and then ended the day by voting BlackAxe.
The Stranger
05-07-2007, 16:26
allright... read through all the pages... and im laughing my ass off... Damn I'm a popular target :P and im barely playing...
Anyway to clear a few things up... I missed the attack on me... couldnt find it anywhere so I don't know what to defend against. Pann i havent replied your pm cuz i didnt got it...
Now, i will return playing pokemon and meditate to whip Ichigo's but or whoever challenged me...
Words
But no explanation for your BlackAxe vote... :inquisitive:
The Stranger
05-07-2007, 16:29
Back to your casket zombie AndresOfTheDead
a few more words
But still no explanation for your vote :no:
Are you bored with this game? If so, there's always the possibility of suicide. Just pm Sasaki and ask him to remove you from the game.
If not, you should try to put some effort in your posts from now on, or our peaceful meditating townies will transform in an angry mob wanting to lynch you.
Pannonian
05-07-2007, 16:37
So much for taking a moment to think - TS is above such mundane activities as "thinking". AFAIK BA hasn't been on since the recent rush of votes, thus he hasn't had a chance to explain himself.
Sapi, you claimed to have bought a bottle of antidote, using money pooled with Tran's. It might seem forward of me, but I'd like to verify that claim. From the townie PM (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1523564&postcount=64):
You may gift your gold or purchased items to any other player at any time.
Could you hand over the antidote to someone? If they can confirm that you do indeed have a bottle of antidote, then we can eliminate that particular line of suspicion from consideration, after which you should be given it back, of course. Since I'm the one asking you to do this, I don't expect people to trust my word on it, so pick someone else. IIRC Byzantine Knight and Omanes also raised suspicions about you early on, so I'd pick someone other than those two as well. Kommodus would do, or Redleg.
The Stranger
05-07-2007, 16:44
well, well Pann, no need to get rude and start saying mean things to people... I might be crazy but I have feelings, oke!
And Andres, been there done that, the angry mob likes me, what can I say, I just love them back.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-07-2007, 17:16
BlackAxe has been lynched.
Mafia can perform vigilante kills if they purchase extra items--it will be an extra kill for them.
You may unchallenge.
I will post the write up when I get back from the dentist.
The Stranger
05-07-2007, 17:20
what and how is unchallenge?
BlackAxe3001
05-07-2007, 17:45
Thanks for letting me get a chance to respond........NOT.
Some people do have to sleep you know. As for giving out all the info I had to prove my innocence and give you info as to who else was innocent, well not anymore. Enjoy suffering, because you all just failed miserably. Also, if that wasn't the biggest bandwagon since Tran, I don't know what was.
To answer a few questions and rant a bit about how mafia is played:
What did I buy? Hmmm... wow, if you people would ACTUALLY READ, you can buy things that only cost 10 Gold. Wow, amazing. FoS on those who voted for me because I didn't say what I bought. Why should I have to anyway? It was obvious that I could buy one of the 10 Gold items. Exactly how many votes did I get for buying something? What a lame reason to lynch me... Nice work again...
Those who voted for me because I have yet to defend myself:
Nice work AGAIN!!!! Wow, if you would check the last time people were on you would see that: "Oh wow, BA hasn't been on since after midnight. I bet he is tired as hell from having to work all weekend on overtime and decided to sleep in on his only day off, since mafia isn't his life. Thanks makes since, maybe I will post saying 'Hey, BA, when you get your lazy butt out of bed, defend yourself, else I will vote you' since that would be the rational thing to do and would be best for the town". Like I said, NICE WORK FELLAS!!!
Also, just curious, exactly what was the big reason for my lynching? I have yet to find any hard evidence to why I am so guilty. It's all weak and basic "suspicious" acts, like changing my vote ONCE this round, or having "weak defenses". Right, show me these so called "weak defenses" other than defending from Kommo's attack, as I was ultra-exhausted from having to work over 12 hours some days, plus working on the weekend I just didnt care enough to provide a decent defense. Seriously people, think outside the box. Also, my aggressive behavior is my defense. Is this not obvious? Comeon people, everyone has their own way for defending themselves. Why should I be passive in my defensive and look weak? No way. You attack me, I am going to come right back at you. Amazing how this all makes sense when you sit down and spend a few minutes thinking about it. Genious.
One other thing, suspicious acts are: not posting the whole round and then casting the final vote without ANY supporting facts or reasons. That would also be a bandwagon vote from my understanding. Not that TS is guilty, just dang dude, give me a change to defend myself. That was pretty low, same for the rest of you. I suggest that for future lynchings that if someone hasn't been logged on for awhile, maybe, just MAYBE they are busy or are sleeping, or whatnot. Think JUST a little bit and that might just cause the town to win instead of lynching someone who had so much info that its ridiculous.
My random thoughts are probably not organized the best, but in my short time that I have to post here before taking care of personal business on my day off I wanted to rant a bit and maybe make a difference in how these mafia games are played. Just give people a chance to explain. Not everyone is on the computer 24/7. Also, I know I may have not followed my own advice in the past, but due to the recent events, my policy has changed. So don't call me a hypocrite.
Thanks for your time
-BA
exactly what was the big reason for my lynching?
Well I voted you because I thought you had something to hide. With my vote I had put a 4th vote on you and since that would mean half of the required votes I would have expected you to defend ... but you weren't here.
Pannonian
05-07-2007, 17:58
Can Sapi give his antidote to Kommodus or Redleg so we can confirm that he did indeed buy antidote, not poison, on night 2? Once Kommo or Red has confirmed it, they can give it back for Sapi's use.
Seriously TS, your bragging is starting to annoy me. Sasaki, can I do a Kung Fu night kill on TS, or is that the preserve of the mafia? Why did you put the lynch vote on Blackaxe before he could defend himself?
Why Redleg? He was extremely suspicious in his continued attacks on Ichigo last round. If I didn't recognise that from CDTC, I would have pushed for his lynching.
Blackie, you leave the item to me and I'll confirm what it was. Something was *very* suspicious about the whole lynching thing here.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-07-2007, 19:55
Li Fujian is dragged kicking and screaming to the edge of the cliff and thrown over.
BlackAxe: 8 (Kommo, Sapi, CF, Stig, doc, Omanes, Faust, The Stranger)
Redleg: 3 (Ichigo, RoadKill, BlackAxe)
Sapi: 3 (BK, Pannonian, Omanes)
Pannonian: 1 (Xehh II)
No lynch: 1 (GH)
Xehh II: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Ichigo: 1 (Redleg)
****
Now the challenges.
Redleg challenges Pevergreen
Ichi challenges TS
Stig challenges Pannonian
Sapi challenges Roadkill
Sigurd Fafnesbane challenges Ignoramus
Roadkill challenges Sapi
Orb challenges Redleg
Faust challenges Redleg
One person can only fight one dual a round.
********
Orb vs Redleg
Both are using dragon style. Redleg charges Orb to start the fight but Orb meets his charge with a flying head kick knocking Redleg unconscious. The fight lasted exactly 3 seconds.
******
RoadKill vs Sapi
Again, both are using dragon style. This time it is Sapi who charges Roadkill and catches him unprepared with a knee to the face. The fight lasts exactly 3 seconds.
*****
Ichigo vs The Stranger
Ichigo is using dragon style while TS is using Praying Mantis. The advantage is to The Stranger, but from the fight it is evident he doesn't need it. In 3 seconds he has disable Ichigo with a flurry of punches.
******
Killed (4):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Lynched (2):
Tran
BlackAxe
Living (33):
Ichigo
Warmaster Horus
pevergreen
Faust|
Xdeathfire
Kommodus
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
Omanes
Stig
Warluster
Sigurd
Caius
Sapi
Ignoramus
RoadKill
Redleg
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Orb
doc_bean
GH
TwilightBlade
Pannonian
The_Stranger
Xehh
HughTower
Kagemusha
Beefy187
It is now night. Pm's please.
Crazed Rabbit
05-07-2007, 19:59
Well, finger of suspicion at Xehh II, who popped in for a quick vote at the then vote leader and with very little explanation, then left.
The Stranger is, unsurprisingly, acting very strange. Seems like he might have a high kung fu score and is looking to beat someone up.
EDIT: He's better than Ichigo at least.
CR
Pannonian
05-07-2007, 19:59
Why Redleg? He was extremely suspicious in his continued attacks on Ichigo last round. If I didn't recognise that from CDTC, I would have pushed for his lynching.
I just picked two people who are usually fairly trusted in those games. Byzantine Knight, Omanes and I all voted for Sapi at some point last round, so it would be unfair for him to have to entrust us with his antidote.
Sapi, can you PM Sasaki with the handover so we can get this confirmed before the night is over and the kills are up, then post here saying whom you gave it to? The night phase isn't likely to last more than 24 hours (unlike the day phase, which depends on the vote tallies), so it would be best to get this done ASAP.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-07-2007, 20:00
Seriously TS, your bragging is starting to annoy me. Sasaki, can I do a Kung Fu night kill on TS,
No.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-07-2007, 20:03
Rule clarification: items and money may change hands once every night phase and once every day phase.
Pannonian
05-07-2007, 20:18
Rule clarification: items and money may change hands once every night phase and once every day phase.
Bugger. You'd better keep it for your own use then, at least until the night is over.
No.
Damn. Does anyone feel like giving me 80 gold? Please?
You'd be doing the town a service. Who's the shopwatcher? Do you like champagne? Would you neglect to mention that I left the shop with a crossbow if I gave you ten gold to get some?
Oh, and, my plausible suspicions, in case I get offed:
TS: casting the last vote, with no reason given
Redleg: insanely aggressive attacks on Ichigo
Omanes: Claims noone bought anything on night one. I've asked blackaxe to leave me his item so I can tell everyone if he does.
Pannonian: Role claim has not quite convinced me. It might still do so.
Xehh II: Odd voting
TS is, imo, just being TS. He's not a lot of help as a townie, which sort of shows in a complex game like this. I don't understand the bandwagon against Blackaxe, and will hold *everyone* who voted for him under suspicion.
Yah screwed me over Sasaki. YOU SCREWED ME OVER!!!!
Do the mafia gain exp. when they make a night kill?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-07-2007, 21:19
Do the mafia gain exp. when they make a night kill?
If it is a kung fu kill they get +2.
RoadKill
05-07-2007, 21:33
Wow that sucks. Sasaki can I reveal which style of kungfu i have?
Sasaki Kojiro
05-07-2007, 21:35
Yes, since you are not dead.
Blackaxe did have a prayerbook, which was left to me.
Can Omanes'/Pann please explain?
Pannonian
05-07-2007, 21:57
Blackaxe did have a prayerbook, which was left to me.
Can Omanes'/Pann please explain?
I don't have perfect knowledge of absolutely everything. Things I'm not sure about, I'll indicate as such, such as the no-one entering the shop statement. Things I am sure about, I'll also indicate as such, such as the fighting styles of the 4 named monks. If I'm spared tonight, I'll try and give the town some more information, but I'll not do so publicly as yet, to avoid giving the mafia directions on whom to go for tonight. However, if the mafia do kill me tonight, note that I've already given out the information privately, so they won't have stopped anything.
To summarise: this is the night phase. I'll post more information when it's the day phase, when we can actually do something about the suspects.
GeneralHankerchief
05-08-2007, 00:01
Pann is not stupid
He would not take this large of
A risk - innocent.
This is how Redleg
Always plays the game - if he
Lies, then he lies well.
Wow that sucks. Sasaki can I reveal which style of kungfu i have?
Let me see... Dragon!!! :holmes:
pevergreen
05-08-2007, 01:36
.......why?
.......why?
Ya got me I've got no idea. Seemed like a good idea at the time.:sweatdrop:
RoadKill
05-08-2007, 01:49
Okay so I had the dragon style.
seireikhaan
05-08-2007, 01:52
Okay so I had the dragon style.
Umm, OK, we already knew that from Sasaki's writeup. Was there some point in telling us that?
pevergreen
05-08-2007, 02:20
Ya got me I've got no idea. Seemed like a good idea at the time.:sweatdrop:
:laugh4: Chen would like to spar with someone.
:laugh4: Chen would like to spar with someone.
:duel:
pevergreen
05-08-2007, 02:55
Bah cant get smilie working.
:stupido:
Bah cant get smilie working.
:stupido:
:nospam:
pevergreen
05-08-2007, 09:00
Its night phase still ey...been a while :smoking:
The Stranger
05-08-2007, 10:01
Orb... why not settle this in a challenge? I'm soooooooooooo uberstrong and my secret role will whipe yur butt...
C'mon ppl... its a game... lighten up...
but if you want... i can be serious... but only if you ask it really really nice
The Stranger
05-08-2007, 10:05
oh, blackaxe... in my defence... i made the 8th vote... it was already over before i voted...
oh, blackaxe... in my defence... i made the 8th vote... it was already over before i voted...
No, it wasn't. First round it was 7 votes to lynch, last round it was 8 votes to lynch...
The Stranger
05-08-2007, 10:26
seven or the majority... 7 or 8... it didnt matter... the killing vote was already made... only 5 votes on redleg couldve saved him, me not voting for him wouldnt made a difference...
anyway... i'm sorry for him, he couldnt make his case but it happened...
and stop asking for a reason, cuz i gave it already...
Now andres, one of my favorite belgians, just know that this time, i didnt participate in your death :P
Nevermind, it's still nighty night. This will have to wait...
The Stranger
05-08-2007, 10:41
ofcourse he is... he is CR, Sasaki's most feared henchman... in which world have you been living... take another beer and sleep for another year...
Not happy that BA got offed without time for discussion.
Antidote given to Kommo - sorry for not getting in earlier, but I've had a really busy day irl
Kommodus
05-08-2007, 15:12
Not happy that BA got offed without time for discussion.
Antidote given to Kommo - sorry for not getting in earlier, but I've had a really busy day irl
OK. I'll announce it when I've received it, and give it back as soon as I'm allowed.
Kommodus
05-08-2007, 17:48
Ok, it's verified - I've received the antidote from sapi.
'seven or the majority... 7 or 8... it didnt matter... the killing vote was already made... only 5 votes on redleg couldve saved him, me not voting for him wouldnt made a difference...
anyway... i'm sorry for him, he couldnt make his case but it happened...
and stop asking for a reason, cuz i gave it already...
Now andres, one of my favorite belgians, just know that this time, i didnt participate in your death :P'
Eight was the number needed to kill. You aren't the most helpful townie, at times... *sighs*
The Stranger
05-08-2007, 19:14
how should i no... the rules said 7...
Sigh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1529599&postcount=4)
The Stranger
05-08-2007, 19:28
ah :P :shame: missed that... anyways... done is done
RoadKill
05-08-2007, 21:05
Umm, OK, we already knew that from Sasaki's writeup. Was there some point in telling us that?
My bad didn't see it.
ChuggtheSquirrel
05-09-2007, 03:49
ah :P :shame: missed that... anyways... done is done
Still seems kinda suspicious.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-09-2007, 07:34
Anyway, where's GeneralHankerchief, does anybody else think it's kind of suspicious that he is taking a back-seat role in this game, not coming out with any suspicions or ideas as to what may be going on. He did in Cosa Nuova, why not here.
This will have to wait. This night is taking long :furious3:
Anyway, where's GeneralHankerchief, does anybody else think it's kind of suspicious that he is taking a back-seat role in this game, not coming out with any suspicions or ideas as to what may be going on. He did in Cosa Nuova, why not here.
Well, he kinda quit shortly into CN, so I'm not that surprised, tbh...
Twilightblade
05-09-2007, 11:04
Ahhhhhh... not on for 3 days and now I'm completely lost
and its night right?
Yes it's night. Apparantly we have some lazy mafiosi :whip:
I need to prosecute some suspects! I want to question them, torture them, see them crawling for the merciless inquisition. REVENGE !!! REVENGE !!! DIE MAFIOSI, DIE! :devil:
A word of advice for the next day: put pressure on several players. There are still 25+ players alive. You can put 5 or 6 votes to 3 or 4 different players at a time. Put pressure, make them talk. Switch votes. Create a climate of fear, stress. The mafia will eventually break. Most players need to have 6 votes on their name at a certain moment. Make them sweat. Let them suffer.
You were convinced that killing Andres in the first round would make him lose interest? That he would refrain from stirring up discussion?
YOU WERE WRONG DIRTY MAFIA FOOLS! WRONG! SCUMBAGS!!!
seireikhaan
05-09-2007, 13:41
Lol, Andres. I agree, though. Lets turn pressure up on several people.
A word of advice for the next day: put pressure on several players. There are still 25+ players alive. You can put 5 or 6 votes to 3 or 4 different players at a time. Put pressure, make them talk. Switch votes. Create a climate of fear, stress. The mafia will eventually break. Most players need to have 6 votes on their name at a certain moment. Make them sweat. Let them suffer.
You were convinced that killing Andres in the first round would make him lose interest? That he would refrain from stirring up discussion?
YOU WERE WRONG DIRTY MAFIA FOOLS! WRONG! SCUMBAGS!!!
The dead can't talk, because that's against the law (of God Sasaki), can they? :stupido2:
The dead can't talk, because that's against the law (of God Sasaki), can they? :stupido2:
Read thze rulez :rulez: and quote the passage which says that dead players are not allowed to talk in the thread.
So, it must be a big disappointment your petty attempt to silence me by killing me FAILED....
Let's see...
...
General Rules:
Dead may not pm, may not discuss anything they ever pm’d or were pm’d, may not discuss night actions in any way. For example if a living person says “X is innocent, I successfully protected him along with deceased player Y, therefore you should vote Z” and Y comes to the thread and posts “I think you should vote for Z”, this is bad. Note that protecting a player doesn’t confirm their innocence so this would be a bad choice anyway. If you reveal to a player that you have “such and such awesome pro-town role” and you die that night, you can argue against them for in thread reasons, but make sure you don’t indicate that it has anything to do with your death. I reserve the right to prohibit someone from posting entirely if I feel they have too much information.
...
I think Sasaki need to clarify these...
EDIT: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1523564&postcount=64
Yes, and what did I do to break that rule in your opinion? :inquisitive:
Not sure...
SCUMBAGS!!!
Foul language perhaps? ~;p
The Stranger
05-09-2007, 15:22
i don't see anything wrong... since he isn't discussing anything he was pm'd or pm'd.. he just being me... a bad one... but still
and i can know... the only rules i understand are the rules telling you most definitly must not break the rules
Sasaki Kojiro
05-09-2007, 17:22
This night period hasn't been any longer than the last two...
GeneralHankerchief
05-09-2007, 21:35
Please read my first posts
In the thread and you will see
Why I'm not active.
BlackAxe3001
05-10-2007, 00:46
A word of advice for the next day: put pressure on several players. There are still 25+ players alive. You can put 5 or 6 votes to 3 or 4 different players at a time. Put pressure, make them talk. Switch votes. Create a climate of fear, stress. The mafia will eventually break. Most players need to have 6 votes on their name at a certain moment. Make them sweat. Let them suffer.
Better not because The Stranger will put the last vote on you without reason, just because hes like that. ~:angry:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-10-2007, 06:57
Another blow struck Ma Mui in the side of the head. These were beginning to hurt and he was too tired to keep training. He tried to ask his training partner to stop but couldn't get the words out in between the blows, or perhaps his opponent did not care. He couldn't even scream for help as the monk gleefully crushed the life out of him.
***********************
In a field near the temple stood a monk with only one arm, surveying the damage a storm earlier in the day had caused to the landscape. It was Tang Shui, the eldest monk of the temple. How he had lost his arm remained a mystery to the others, but he was recognized as the wisest monk, and therefore still one of the deadliest. In the distance he saw another monk approaching. He was adorned in a grotesque mask.
“Why are you masked, friend?” Tang Shui asked.
“With this recent rash of murders I wanted to ward off evil spirits” the masked monk responded. “Listen, I need to do something in the western courtyard, why don’t you help me by picking up the debris fallen from the tree there?”
So they made their way to the courtyard.
“See those twigs laying around the larger tree? Pick up as many of those as you can and then bring them to me and I’ll dispose” the masked monk said, and then went to sit down beneath the smaller tree.
So the wise monk began picking up the twigs, deftly to be sure, but he had limited places in which to hold them. First he filled his hand, then his elbow, then under his arm. Next the toes of his left foot, then his right. The monk was so focused on the artful execution of his task that he did not even notice the masked monk under the other tree, stringing a bow. The eldest monk merely continued on with his task.
At last, nearly immobilized after picking up 50 sticks, the eldest monk turned around and said: “I cannot hold anymore. So let me bring them to you.”
With that the masked one released an arrow that flew straight through the aged monk’s speaking mouth and breached the back of his skull. The eldest monk rolled back on his heels, falling on his back, the twigs scattered about him.
“No, it appears you could still hold one more…” said the killer, as he took off his mask and left the courtyard. Not a soul had witnessed the murder.
***************************
Killed (6):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Redleg
GH
Lynched (2):
Tran
BlackAxe
Living (31):
Ichigo
Warmaster Horus
pevergreen
Faust|
Xdeathfire
Kommodus
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
Omanes
Stig
Warluster
Sigurd
Caius
Sapi
Ignoramus
RoadKill
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Orb
doc_bean
TwilightBlade
Pannonian
The_Stranger
Xehh
HughTower
Kagemusha
Beefy187
It is Day 3. 8 to lynch.
Wow.
Redleg and GH.
That's pretty impressive. We've lost two veterans in a night. And we're not going to get any more excellent Haikus :(
Killed GH, eh?
Does anyone else think that the mafia are trying to get a repeat of his withdrawal from CN2?
Killed GH, eh?Does anyone else think I am trying to get a repeat of his withdrawal from CN2?
Fixed it for ya!
Ok, it's verified - I've received the antidote from sapi.
Why not in private Kommo ? WHY NOT IN PRIVATE??
So, a powerful KungFu master gives his only protection against poison to you, and you happily post it in the thread.
Congrats, you're now n°1 on my suspects list (and you came from n° 30) :no:
:laugh4:
You're welcome to have your suspicions of me, Andres, as long as you pick out the real mafia as well...
Why not in private Kommo ? WHY NOT IN PRIVATE??
So, a powerful KungFu master gives his only protection against poison to you, and you happily post it in the thread.
Congrats, you're now n°1 on my suspects list (and you came from n° 30)We agreed to post it in the thread to confirm my innocence...
:laugh4:
You're welcome to have your suspicions of me, Andres, as long as you pick out the real mafia as well...
We agreed to post it in the thread to confirm my innocence...
Was it necessary to do it at night? Or were you having protection and hoping for an attack?
Oh, guys, maybe you should use a voting system for the challenging as well.
Like : Vote : Challenge: Andres vs Disco
And before putting the last vote on the lynch of the day, you speak out the challenges.
REMEMBER : YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD. And it's 8 (eight) to lynch this day.
Was it necessary to do it at night? Or were you having protection and hoping for an attack?
The way we did it I can have it back by tonight, and I figured that I'd rather take the risk then than later.
Agree on the voting system, with a modification - I'd like to see Vote: Challenge: whoever, not specifying the other combatant.
Then we can use a pool of townies who are trusted and who we know will win (eg. moi) to ensure that we block their actions...
pevergreen, what's with all that private messaging?
pevergreen, what's with all that private messaging?
He's trying to convince Sasaki to "further his own agenda" :whip:
pevergreen
05-10-2007, 10:06
pevergreen, what's with all that private messaging?
If i choose to continually spam Sasaki with meaningless messages, i will.
But if i plan on sending the Battle Royale PM's out, which i have been for the last half hour, i will be as well.
*****
Orb Vs Ichigo (round 1)
These fighters are closer to each other's skill level, with a slight edge to Orb. However, Orb's Dragon style is the natural antithesis of Ichigo's White Crane style, and this is enough to allow Orb to soundly defeat Ichigo.
*****
Orb vs Redleg (round 2)
Both are using dragon style. Redleg charges Orb to start the fight but Orb meets his charge with a flying head kick knocking Redleg unconscious. The fight lasted exactly 3 seconds.
*****
Ichigo vs The Stranger (Round 2)
Ichigo is using dragon style while TS is using Praying Mantis. The advantage is to The Stranger, but from the fight it is evident he doesn't need it. In 3 seconds he has disable Ichigo with a flurry of punches.
*****
We need to be cautious following sapi, Kommodus and Orb blindly in this.
I have doubts about them…
Let’s take Orb this time:
From the writeup of the duels in round 1 it seems that Orb and Ichigo are fairly equal giving the victory to Orb because he was using the antithesis style to Ichigo’s.
This would give Orb a bonus of +2.
In his next fight he just rolls over Redleg and it is finished in 3 sec.
Alright so Orb has been training.
But there is an inconsistency here.
In post #347 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1529375&postcount=347) he brags about his pretty damn high Kung Fu value.
I happen to know Ichigo’s Kung Fu value and it is certainly not pretty damn high.
When in the chat with Ichigo, Orb logged on and I enquired subtly about Orb’s high score and he eventually claimed a starting value of 10. I pressed on and he later claimed a 9. I accused him of making this up as you wouldn’t normally forget your starting score of 9. If you compare this to the fight versus Ichigo which has a low score you can see the inconsistency.
Orb can’t have had a starting score of 9 and he is obviously hiding something.
If Orb had a starting score of 9 and received a +3 bonus for style the fight would have been narrated like the Ichigo vs.The Stranger fight.
This implies sapi too somewhat as the two of them are seemingly working together. I have my eyes on Kommodus as well. He has yet to mention using his methods. As we all know he vowed to not use them as mafia. The trio seems to be utilising the “All mafia in plain sight” routine. They are building trust with the intent of fooling us all.
Vote: Orb
pevergreen
05-10-2007, 10:11
Anyone who mentions chat these days goes into my suspicion book. But if Ichigo can confirm that was said (unless it was private chat) i will vote Orb.
Anyone who mentions chat these days goes into my suspicion book. But if Ichigo can confirm that was said (unless it was private chat) i will vote Orb.
Ichigo would confirm and so would BlackAxe... but since he was killed I am not sure if he would be allowed to.
I think Disco was there also... If you want an outsiders testemony... pm Husar.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 10:15
I'd like to see Orb fight against The Stranger. Can either of you two set this up?
pevergreen
05-10-2007, 10:19
Vote: Orb
We need to be cautious following sapi, Kommodus and Orb blindly in this.
Yup, Kommo and sapi are "itching" me as well...
Kommo's harsh attacks on Tran have drawn my attention. Normally, he would make his case, but he would also add it was too early for 'holmes'. And he wouldn't analyse that much at the beginning of the game. Dunno, maybe it's a bit too early to come to conclusions, but I would keep an eye on him. Don't trust him blindly.
He and sapi are too much trying to look like the helpful townies. All this talking about private networks in public, all this revealing of bits of information about what is going on behind the scene, I don't like it. You don't talk about what's going on behind the scenes, until you have a) a solid case against someone ; or b) it is necessary to avoid a townie to get lynched; c) you are playing the end game and you're starting to feel all or almost all of the mafiosi are still alive.
And with Redleg the town lost a player you'll hardly fool when working behind the scenes.
Well, if you don't want me to try to help...
It's interesting what Sigurd picked up regarding Orb's kung fu score - something's definitely up there.
However, just because someone's been trying to skew the process - hell, he could be a mafia for all we know - doesn't mean that it's not a sound plan...
Ichigo would confirm and so would BlackAxe... but since he was killed I am not sure if he would be allowed to.
I think Disco was there also... If you want an outsiders testemony... pm Husar.
Dead players are not allowed. Sasaki told me.
pevergreen
05-10-2007, 10:41
So..no one can die? :grin2:
:laugh4:
Should have phrased that differently...
Oh, and, my plausible suspicions, in case I get offed:
TS: casting the last vote, with no reason given
Redleg: insanely aggressive attacks on Ichigo
Omanes: Claims noone bought anything on night one. I've asked blackaxe to leave me his item so I can tell everyone if he does.
Pannonian: Role claim has not quite convinced me. It might still do so.
Xehh II: Odd voting
TS is, imo, just being TS. He's not a lot of help as a townie, which sort of shows in a complex game like this. I don't understand the bandwagon against Blackaxe, and will hold *everyone* who voted for him under suspicion.
So given this write up and the night activities - the town should take a very close look at Orb. The last game that I saw this tactic used the individual responsible for publishing such a list in the early round was indeed a mafia player. If this was around day 5 or 6, as the field narrowed down due to lynching and mafia killings such a list would provide clues to mafia players, but when used this early it should be carefully studied because the motive of such a list is not pro-townie this early, but pro-individual survival in the game. Which is a mafia tactic in my opinion.
Plus anyone that has seen me play a game of mafia should know by now that I normally go after Ichigo within the first two or three games. His miscount is not a normal thing for him in these games - which leads one to two conclusions he is either being very foolish with his spamming or he is indeed mafia. And he has been playing long enough with the spam to not be all that foolish when applying it to the game.
And as before after I die, I normally depart the game and only follow it by lurking. So other then the above statement here is one last bit of advice.
If I was the town I would be very suspecious of the players who voted on Blackaxe after vote number 7.
From a previous post on page 18 post number 537 I believe. These are the people who voted or did not vote prior to this post. All should be looked at by the town as possible mafia players or lurkers who are not particapating in the game.
Warmaster Horus
pevergreen - Posted but did not vote
Greaterkhaan
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
Warluster
Sigurd - posted but did not vote
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar - posted but did not vote
TwilightBlade
The_Stranger - posted but did not vote
HughTower
Kagemusha
Beefy187
One of these individuals asked me my in game name, under the guise of setting up a protection mission on another player. This provides me a clue that maybe the mafia needs your ingame name in order to kill you at night. I could be incorrect on that but its highly suspecious that an individual asks my ingame name for a protection mission and the very next night I am dead.
If it doesn't violate the rules I will state the individual name later - but I need a PM from Sasaki letting me know if that is okay.
TevashSzat
05-10-2007, 12:48
While I agree that Orb is a bit suspicious from the recent posts, people do not forget about Xehh II. He has been lurking the whole game and only posting as little as possible. He voted no lynch I believe in the first day and then bandwagoned on Blackaxe without any effort to explain his bandwagon. I started voting on him randomly the first round, but he has never made any recognition of it and has made no attempt to even comment upon it so i will Vote: Xehh II
Disco 1 (Andres)
Orb 2 (pevergreen, Sigurd)
Xehh II 1 (Xdeathfire)
Me and Disco are dead. You probably misinterpreted my proposal for a voting system for the challenges...
To protect someone you must send their name and the in-game names (not org usernames) of the people you will be protecting with.
You need the in game names for a succesfull protection.
@Redleg - gk asked you, y/n?
@Redleg - gk asked you, y/n?
Even answering that isn't allowed for a dead player. Believe me, Sasaki is harsh.
Okay then :yes:
Well, take my word for it, it was him (he's also been asking a few more people, who I won't name)
Beefy187
05-10-2007, 13:31
sorry for not participating much
ill try to come on much as possible from now.
seireikhaan
05-10-2007, 13:41
Yes, indeed, Sapi. I did go around asking a few people to participate in a protection group. However, never did I ask Redleg to participate in the group. I figured he probably was already doing something for the night. Also, Sapi, when I was asking people, I did so as greaterkhaan. If someone agreed to participate, I did need their gamenames, obviously, and I gave them mine if they participated, so that we could fill out the protection orders to Sasaki.
Disco 1 (Andres)
Orb 2 (pevergreen, Sigurd)
Xehh II 1 (Xdeathfire)
Good man keeping the tally. I totally forgot.
I think we should strike Andres' vote on Disco though. The dead voting for the dead are suspicious at best. :beam:
the new tally:
Orb 2 (pevergreen, Sigurd)
Xehh II 1 (Xdeathfire)
Kommodus
05-10-2007, 14:26
Why not in private Kommo ? WHY NOT IN PRIVATE??
So, a powerful KungFu master gives his only protection against poison to you, and you happily post it in the thread.
I did it publicly so that I could confirm sapi's statements to everyone. And yes, it needed to be done immediately instead of at the end of the night phase, since if I'd been killed I wouldn't have been allowed to confirm anything (per the rules).
Sapi had already posted publicly that he'd given me the antidote, so the mafia knew about it.
Now it's time to catch up on the thread...
I did it publicly so that I could confirm sapi's statements to everyone. And yes, it needed to be done immediately instead of at the end of the night phase, since if I'd been killed I wouldn't have been allowed to confirm anything (per the rules).
Sapi had already posted publicly that he'd given me the antidote, so the mafia knew about it.
Now it's time to catch up on the thread...
Eh, you could have pm'ed another player with the information who could have confirmed it in case of your unfortunate passing away.
While you are catching up, can holmes tell us something or is it too early?
sorry for not participating much
ill try to come on much as possible from now.
Now that you managed to find this thread, any insights? An opinion? A suspect? Something?
Andres, I suspect...can a "spirit" suspect someone because I don't want to break the mighty rules :laugh4:
I'm just curious whether there is a double account
*cough*
Kommodus
05-10-2007, 15:22
Eh, you could have pm'ed another player with the information who could have confirmed it in case of your unfortunate passing away.
While you are catching up, can holmes tell us something or is it too early?
This stage of the game is normally too early. I'll check when I get home from work - which unfortunately won't be for a while.
I guess I didn't think of getting another player to confirm sapi's information.
EDIT: Tran, of course the dead are allowed to say whom they suspect.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 15:37
Andres, I suspect...can a "spirit" suspect someone because I don't want to break the mighty rules :laugh4:
I'm just curious whether there is a double account
*cough*
That was my first thought when I noticed Beefy187 at the bottom of the list. However, a search through the archives shows that pevergreen mentions having played MP with him back in February, and the last active date showed 6th May, before today of course. So he's almost certainly a townie, who will be useful as an extra target the mafia will have to get rid of.
Also, can pevergreen arrange a fight with Ichigo? I'd also like to see Sapi against Kommodus.
I've been mafia together with Orb once, and I can tell you, this is not how he played back then. Back then he was low profile.
Vote: Pever
That WAS a bandwagon mister
And Sigurd if you do Orb because you think he's suspicious, also post something about Kommo and Sapi. Posting about only Orb makes you suspicious.
Also, can pevergreen arrange a fight with Ichigo? I'd also like to see Sapi against Kommodus.
Well, tho this does stop them both of doing a night action. One of them will get stronger, and if it's mafia it's not in our advantage I think.
So I think I'll challenge Sapi, he seems to be the stronger of the two.
Challenge: Sapi
This stage of the game is normally too early. I'll check when I get home from work - which unfortunately won't be for a while.
"a while" = until the end of this game?
How convenient... :inquisitive:
I guess I didn't think of getting another player to confirm sapi's information.
Pannonian perhaps? He should have protection by now.
Besides, was Redleg involved in the towns' night actions? You living guys should also consider to call out players who you think are suspicious by using the pm's sent during the night. Once you're dead, you cannot use those anymore. Or you can always send your information to a confirmed innocent like Pannonian who can transfer it to another innocent living player who's identity will remain secret, so that the evidence is always in the hands of at least two living innocents who are supposed to be protected.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 16:25
Well, tho this does stop them both of doing a night action. One of them will get stronger, and if it's mafia it's not in our advantage I think.
So I think I'll challenge Sapi, he seems to be the stronger of the two.
Challenge: Sapi
I'd rather you unchallenged, and let Kommodus take up the fight instead. I want to gauge Kommo's strength. Similarly with the other challenges I suggested, The Stranger against Orb, and pevergreen against Ichigo.
tbh I'd rather not have uber Kung Fu masters from who we don't know on which side they are.
Kommodus
05-10-2007, 16:43
"a while" = until the end of this game?
How convenient... :inquisitive:
:laugh4: No, "a while" as in when I get home from work at the end of the day. It's still morning here in Michigan.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 16:47
tbh I'd rather not have uber Kung Fu masters from who we don't know on which side they are.
So can you unchallenge? I'd like Sapi freed up for someone else, if possible. I've suggested that Kommodus challenges twilightblade instead - since TB is a known weakling, that shouldn't place Kommo's night-time protection activities at risk, and it should give us a rating of his kung fu skill. Kommodus is potentially a very useful townie indeed, which is why I want to be sure that he's a townie. A Kommodus whom we trust but who is actually mafia is probably the worst scenario there is.
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 16:53
Redleg
i voted in all the rounds... but in the first i accidentally voted No Lynch, so my vote wasn't counted...
Also, on request, Challenge: Orb
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 16:59
Oh for those who haven't understood Redleg's hinting... he's hinting towards me...
Be suspicious of who voted for Blackaxe after vote 7... there was 1 vote... mine...
I asked him and Ichigo and Xehh to join a protection group for Omanes, I didnt even asked him his ingamename, he just gave it to me... He also said we needed the names of the other person and of the person we needed to protect... so i asked Omanes his name... but because I beat Ichigo he was immobile for the night... and Xehh simply didnt reply... But me having your ingame name wouldnt matter because the mafia DON'T NEED your ingame name... the protection was never set up because i was short on time so i couldnt chase enough players to join and because Xehh didnt reply and i was counting on him...
do with this info whatever you want...
So can you unchallenge? I'd like Sapi freed up for someone else, if possible. I've suggested that Kommodus challenges twilightblade instead - since TB is a known weakling, that shouldn't place Kommo's night-time protection activities at risk, and it should give us a rating of his kung fu skill. Kommodus is potentially a very useful townie indeed, which is why I want to be sure that he's a townie. A Kommodus whom we trust but who is actually mafia is probably the worst scenario there is.
So first you want Kommo to lose against Sapi, which would mean that he can't protect. And he can also still be mafia. A protection group can work with another townie as well. Sides we don't even know if Kommo is a townie.
Remember how everyone was soo suspicous of you
If we challenge suspicious characters I suggest we make sure we win those challenges. Hence why I challenged Sapi, seeing my score I think I'll have atleast a 50-50 change against him
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 17:17
So first you want Kommo to lose against Sapi, which would mean that he can't protect. And he can also still be mafia. A protection group can work with another townie as well. Sides we don't even know if Kommo is a townie.
Remember how everyone was soo suspicous of you
If we challenge suspicious characters I suggest we make sure we win those challenges. Hence why I challenged Sapi, seeing my score I think I'll have atleast a 50-50 change against him
How did you arrive at this conclusion? I want information about Kommodus, hence my original suggestion that he went up against Sapi. Since then, he's told me that he's rather weak, and he didn't want to lose and forgo his protection activities for the night. So I suggested twilightblade instead, who is known to be weak (having been trained by pevergreen on night 1). He shouldn't lose, but we should still get some information from the description of the fight. If he loses, then he's KO'd for the night, but at least we'd know he's probably a townie. However, if he thrashes twilightblade, then Kommo's been telling fibs about his martial skills, and I'd like to know why. My predicted result is a comfortable or close Kommodus win, but not a 3 second trouncing.
As for Sapi - we all know he's a decent fighter. So I'd like to have another look at the people I have no information on, and pick out onesuch for him to duel with. I know a bit about you, so I don't want you to waste this chance to get information.
GeneralHankerchief
05-10-2007, 17:25
I think my killer
Is Great Mr. Omanes
Here's why I think so:
Usually on top
Of happenings - so why does
He miss my first posts?
If he loses, then he's KO'd for the night, but at least we'd know he's probably a townie.
I don't follow that really
btw I still wanted to say this:
from this nights write up I think we can clearly say that Sasaki doesn't do the write-ups himself (seeing two total different write-ups). Now who's good at comparing posting styles?
HughTower
05-10-2007, 17:45
I don't follow that really
Because he's told the truth to Pannonian, because he's handed back the antidote to Sapi, because he's playing ball.....
Why do you feel the need to challenge sapi? Why do you want to knock him out? He again has tried to prove his innocence by answering Pannonian's questions. You just want to fight to flex your muscles, rather than for any rational excuse.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 17:45
I don't follow that really
btw I still wanted to say this:
from this nights write up I think we can clearly say that Sasaki doesn't do the write-ups himself (seeing two total different write-ups). Now who's good at comparing posting styles?
Kommodus is good at analysing posting stats. But why does that mean we shouldn't see his fighting skills, especially in a fight that's been picked for him to win? He says he's weak and wouldn't last 3 seconds in a fight with Sapi, so I suggested twilightblade, who is a known duffer at this kind of thing. We know that pevergreen was at least twice TB's score since he trained him, which suggests TB is ridiculously weak. So Kommodus shouldn't lose out on the night's activities since he'll more than likely win, and we'll be able to see whether Kommodus was being truthful when he said he was weak.
Besides, what's to stop Kommo from posting his statistical analyses, since they don't rely on PMs and are thus immune to Sasaki's restrictions? So can you withdraw your challenge to Sapi so we can maximise the chances of seeing Kommodus fight? Even if we use Sapi for that purpose later on, I'd like it to serve a useful purpose, which your challenge does not. I'm not looking for information about Sapi - I'm looking for information about Kommodus.
He again has tried to prove his innocence by answering Pannonian's questions.
Where did Pannonian got proven to be innocent?
Once that is showed to me I will withdraw my challenge.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 17:54
Where did Pannonian got proven to be innocent?
Once that is showed to me I will withdraw my challenge.
Would it convince you if I told you you trained in crane style on night 2?
Would it convince you if I told you you trained in crane style on night 2?
No, White Crane is my starting style
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-10-2007, 18:03
Well, that's certainly not true GH. I still think you're mafia, either the mafia don't know each other or alternatively that was a very clever pretend death. If it's the latter, I congratulate you on your exceptionally cunning mind.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 18:04
No, White Crane is my starting style
I never said crane wasn't your starting style - I only said it was the style you trained in on night 2. Think about how specific my statement was, and how likely I could have guessed it, and whether or not you've leaked it to others that I may have caught wind of it. If you've never told anyone about it, then it would mean that they couldn't have told me about it, then compare with my claim to be a detective (of sorts).
So can you withdraw your challenge now?
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 18:06
Can Omanes challenge Sapi please?
then compare with my claim to be a detective (of sorts).
And the fact that you would in that case be killed by the mafia.
I did not train at all last night
Kommodus
05-10-2007, 18:17
Alright, time to make the inevitable personal sacrifice...
Challenge: TwilightBlade
I'll be extremely surprised if I win this. But seeing as this is a mafia game, information is more important than me having a night action.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 18:19
And the fact that you would in that case be killed by the mafia.
I did not train at all last night
You seem insanely determined to dodge the point. Last night was night 3. I said that you trained in crane style on night 2. Please withdraw the challenge and stop wasting everyone's time. There are better uses for Sapi than fighting you.
He says he's weak and wouldn't last 3 seconds in a fight with Sapi, so I suggested twilightblade, who is a known duffer at this kind of thing. We know that pevergreen was at least twice TB's score since he trained him, which suggests TB is ridiculously weak. So Kommodus shouldn't lose out on the night's activities since he'll more than likely win, and we'll be able to see whether Kommodus was being truthful when he said he was weak.
It should be, "which suggests TB WAS ridiculously weak."
And what does this mean? "so I suggested twilightblade, who is a known duffer at this kind of thing."
The fact is, we could only probably make a rough guess as to what his score is right now. The info you'll get won't be as concrete as you're making it out to be.
"So Kommodus shouldn't lose out on the night's activities since he'll more than likely win"
I also don't see how you came to that conclusion.
I've been mafia together with Orb once, and I can tell you, this is not how he played back then. Back then he was low profile.
I too was partner in crime with Orb once and he was quite active in that game.
Keeping a low profile was his style in CNII but in this game he posts more than Sasaki.
I would like to hear what he has to say... 2 votes is not much of a preassure though.
Lot of people have posted but not cast their vote yet.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 18:36
It should be, "which suggests TB WAS ridiculously weak."
And what does this mean? "so I suggested twilightblade, who is a known duffer at this kind of thing."
The fact is, we could only probably make a rough guess as to what his score is right now. The info you'll get won't be as concrete as you're making it out to be.
I want to see Kommodus fight, so I suggested Sapi. Kommodus said he's weak, so I suggested the weakest fighter I know of. TB may still be stronger than Kommo, but nonetheless, TB is the weakest fighter I know of. If there are any others whom you know to be puny, please suggest some names - I know of none weaker.
I too was partner in crime with Orb once and he was quite active in that game.
Keeping a low profile was his style in CNII but in this game he posts more than Sasaki.
I would like to hear what he has to say... 2 votes is not much of a preassure though.
Lot of people have posted but not cast their vote yet.
CNII?
I wasn't in CN II, was I?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-10-2007, 18:45
Challange: sapi
@Sigurd's accusation:
I have't spent enough hours reading my starting PM to know it by heart. I doublechecked it when you thought something was up with the results. Sieve-type memory and I've been busy doing things for EB/12th Century Glory and real life. I think that for someone who isn't part of the game to confirm the chatlog would probably not be allowed, but there is no need.
Since Sigurd 'hasn't got time to read the thread and would be dead anyway just to shut him up if I was mafia' Fafnesbane has raised suspicions about my Kung Fu score being excessive. My skill was considerably higher in day two, amazingly, because I won a duel and trained, I'm quite happy to step down from challenges, or to accept them, should they be wanted.
I'm just about sure of Pannonian's innocence. I still don't trust Sapi and Kommodus.
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 19:16
Omanes and Pann are partners, I doubt Pann has the role he claims but covers for Omanes who does have that role, Omanes passes the answers to Pann who pretends like Sasaki PM"d him those answers... It's a trick Sasaki, Moros and I used in CDTC... and it worked since everyone believed Sasaki was the detective and not Moros till I discovered him as Wolf...
Keeping a low profile was his style in CNII but in this game he posts more than Sasaki.
Well Sasaki does host this game. He doesn't play it.
Please withdraw the challenge and stop wasting everyone's time. There are better uses for Sapi than fighting you.
imo we should use the challenge feature by stopping suspicious players from having a night action. This way it suits us all. Now it only suits you, as you can do something with the results (as it seems)
It's not YOUR game you know
Challange: sapi
I just dont understand why sapi?
Anyway, I just think
I think my killer
Is Great Mr. Omanes
Here's why I think so:
Usually on top
Of happenings - so why does
He miss my first posts
GH:Im not sure
But we cant disregard what the dead people say, because they can be right.
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 19:41
imo we should use the challenge feature by stopping suspicious players from having a night action. This way it suits us all. Now it only suits you, as you can do something with the results (as it seems)
It's not YOUR game you know
Fair enough.
HughTower
05-10-2007, 20:00
Well Sasaki does host this game. He doesn't play it.
imo we should use the challenge feature by stopping suspicious players from having a night action. This way it suits us all. Now it only suits you, as you can do something with the results (as it seems)
It's not YOUR game you know
Firstly, stop misquoting.
Why are challenging sapi? Because you think he is Mafia? You say there is a 50/50 chance of you being stronger than him, yes? But if you lose, he becomes even stronger.
Sapi has answered questions put to him about buying antidote etc. Pannonian has knowledge of people's action's & starting styles which have been confirmed in this thread. I'm not going to find the links for you because I'm taking it for granted that you can read. Pannonian looks like he's innocent, has a role, & is trying to organise the town. Don't be stubborn & stand in his way. :wall:
Sapi could, of course, be pulling off a brilliant bluff and have bought an antidote to clear his name.
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 20:07
and I dont believe Pann has that role... and I dont know whether having that role makes you townie but I believe it does.. not saying he is mafia here...
@Sigurd's accusation:
I have't spent enough hours reading my starting PM to know it by heart. I doublechecked it when you thought something was up with the results. Sieve-type memory and I've been busy doing things for EB/12th Century Glory and real life. I think that for someone who isn't part of the game to confirm the chatlog would probably not be allowed, but there is no need.
Since Sigurd 'hasn't got time to read the thread and would be dead anyway just to shut him up if I was mafia' Fafnesbane has raised suspicions about my Kung Fu score being excessive. My skill was considerably higher in day two, amazingly, because I won a duel and trained, I'm quite happy to step down from challenges, or to accept them, should they be wanted.
I'm just about sure of Pannonian's innocence. I still don't trust Sapi and Kommodus.
Were your original score 9 or not? Your first duel suggests otherwise.
Time to come clean… :whip:
Crazed Rabbit
05-10-2007, 20:07
It's a trick Sasaki, Moros and I used in CDTC... and it worked since everyone believed Sasaki was the detective and not Moros till I discovered him as Wolf...
Ha! It worked to fool you and the town. The White glove mafia knew Moros was detective/vigilante several rounds before he escaped the well deserved grain explosion death (and that was going to be such an awesome death too *sighs*).
Vote: Xehh II
For the same reasons I voted him last round (pops in to vote w/o bandwagoning then disappears). Andres has a good idea - the town can put a lot of pressure on several people to talk. Orb, Omanes, and Xehh II seem like good choices to receive this treatment. DON"T BANDWAGON ONE PERSON!
Just make sure no one pushes one person over before the town is ready!
Tally:
Orb 2 (pevergreen, Sigurd)
Xehh II 2 (Xdeathfire, CR)
Crazed Rabbit
HughTower
05-10-2007, 20:09
Sapi could, of course, be pulling off a brilliant bluff and have bought an antidote to clear his name.
Of course, but unlikely. Far too Machiavellian for the first night of a game. Plus, he would have to realise that there was someone watching him for it to be a bluff.
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 20:10
eh.. yeah... thats what im saying... it could be fooling the town again... with Pann in the role of Sasaki...
Yes I am challenging Sapi, and yes I do think I will beat him.
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 20:14
i doubt ill beat orb... but its asked so...
HughTower
05-10-2007, 20:19
Yes I am challenging Sapi, and yes I do think I will beat him.
And that helps why?
And your argument is?
And your response to my argument is?
I'm very happy that you think you'll beat him.
Vote: Stig
How does my first duel suggest not?
I challenge Sapi, because I think he's suspicious. Now me beating him would ofcourse not help as Pan said there were 4 mafia so others could do the kills.
Pan said he has some detective role, and I'm almost sure there's another one like it, maybe even more. They can now easely concentrate on other people. As Sapi has no night action anyway.
That's if I win.
If I lose it's vica versa.
Crazed Rabbit
05-10-2007, 20:27
How do we know Mafia can't have some rudimentary detective ability for one of their mafiosos? They did in CDTC. Has Pannonian revealed his actual role to us? I don't recall him doing so. How do we know he isn't some mafia role using his detective abilities to take command of the town?
CR
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 20:27
How does my first duel suggest not?
u talking to me? I think yur stronger than me... i dont know... i just think it
HughTower
05-10-2007, 20:29
I challenge Sapi, because I think he's suspicious. Now me beating him would ofcourse not help as Pan said there were 4 mafia so others could do the kills.
.
So beating him doesn't help! But, if he beats you then, someone who you find suspicious becomes stronger at duelling. This is a lose-lose situation.
Are you drunk?
I was replying to a post from Sigurd.
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 20:30
How do we know Mafia can't have some rudimentary detective ability for one of their mafiosos? They did in CDTC. Has Pannonian revealed his actual role to us? I don't recall him doing so. How do we know he isn't some mafia role using his detective abilities to take command of the town?
CR
dont bother... asking pann to reveal anything will result in him wanting the entire game to suicide with him...
btw...
i never checked anyway... Pann what was your role actually in CDTC
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 20:31
@orb...
you might wanna quote.. or post @ since that post isnt even on the page... :P
Are you drunk?
Only one, not more ... have to get up early tomorrow
This actually:
'Were your original score 9 or not? Your first duel suggests otherwise.
Time to come clean… '
In case you've forgotten Siggy, I don't know his Kung Fu value. Nor do I know TS's. Nor do I know Redleg's. All three duels last round were over in three seconds. Perhaps there is some non-correlation.
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 20:33
what does Non-Correlation mean?
Not very well phrased by me. I meant to suggest that for the sake of the writing style/impact Sasaki may have stretched the differences in skill to make everything end in 3 seconds.
I'm willing to challenge Orb as well now I look at it.
If you want assurance that he has a high score or not.
btw, remember the duels in Midgard, I was equal to Count Arach according to the write up. But in real I was a Jotun with at that moment the highest ingame score.
The Stranger
05-10-2007, 20:40
i already challenge orb.
also to answer your (stigs) question about the write up... either GH or Redleg prolly wrote their own write up...
either GH or Redleg prolly wrote their own write up.
Its impossible:inquisitive:
HughTower
05-10-2007, 20:41
How do we know Mafia can't have some rudimentary detective ability for one of their mafiosos? They did in CDTC. Has Pannonian revealed his actual role to us? I don't recall him doing so. How do we know he isn't some mafia role using his detective abilities to take command of the town?
CR
We don't. But it's unusual & therefore unlikely.
If you were right, it's far riskier for him to expose himself in such a fashion at such an early stage. Why bother?
Pannonian
05-10-2007, 20:48
This actually:
'Were your original score 9 or not? Your first duel suggests otherwise.
Time to come clean… '
In case you've forgotten Siggy, I don't know his Kung Fu value. Nor do I know TS's. Nor do I know Redleg's. All three duels last round were over in three seconds. Perhaps there is some non-correlation.
The write up will indicate how much better or worse the opponent was (barring any special role effect).
Can you tell us what you were doing those past few nights?
Nothing. Nil. Nada. Nichts.
IIRC, I trained with someone on night one. I've cleaned out my PMs, so I'll go through the havoc of 'My Documents' soon and try to find 'em.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-10-2007, 21:27
btw, remember the duels in Midgard, I was equal to Count Arach according to the write up. But in real I was a Jotun with at that moment the highest ingame score.
I recall being rather annoyed at that ~D
If one fighter is much better then it will be made evident in the writeup. The write up is not an exact picture of the scores however, e.g. the value of "slight" is not precisely defined.
seireikhaan
05-10-2007, 21:37
Right now, I'll vote: Kagemusha.
Where have you been? Please do something, I really don't want Sasaki to start wogging. I also wouldn't mind if we initiated curse of Kagemusha, either.:beam: Also, FoS on Stig, Orb, and the Stranger. We've seen a few kung fu kills, which means that the mafia must have some very high scores, which all three of you seem to have.
Guys, why are you going after Pann so hard? What if his role really is somewhat limited? Then we've lynched an innocent townie when we had evidence of their innocence. As Hugh said, why should he reveal a role so early if he was mafia? It doesn't seem logical to me to try lynching every person who claims a role.
Tally:
Xehh II-2(Xdeathfire, CR)
Orb-2(Pevergreen, Sigurd)
Stig-1(Hughtower)
Kagemusha-1(greaterkhaan)
GeneralHankerchief
05-10-2007, 22:04
How am I scummy?
Mafia have never been
Allowed to kill friends.
HughTower
05-10-2007, 22:21
Nothing. Nil. Nada. Nichts.
IIRC, I trained with someone on night one. I've cleaned out my PMs, so I'll go through the havoc of 'My Documents' soon and try to find 'em.
How strange! How forgetful! You mean you can't remember?
Unvote, Vote: Orb
How am I scummy?
Mafia have never been
Allowed to kill friends.
Your best yet. Well done.
:laugh4:
How does my first duel suggest not?
This is not an answer to my question... I asked first.
btw, remember the duels in Midgard, I was equal to Count Arach according to the write up. But in real I was a Jotun with at that moment the highest ingame score.
Yes, but these fights aren't determined by randomness. This is simply the highest score wins.
I am going to bed now... And seeing that Orb has probably retired too I will place the real reason for me to doubt Orbs claimed score.
*****
Orb Vs Ichigo
These fighters are closer to each other's skill level, with a slight edge to Orb. However, Orb's Dragon style is the natural antithesis of Ichigo's White Crane style, and this is enough to allow Orb to soundly defeat Ichigo.
*****
Sigurd Vs discovery1
This fight is a reverse of the previous fight. It is evident that Sigurd is a much better fighter, but disco's praying mantis helps him vs Sigurds dragon. It is not enough however, and disco is defeated.
*****
Take a closer look at these two fights...
They were fought in the same round(1). It is clearly stated that they are different.
Two of these combatants had the same starting score whilst their opponents obviously had not.
If I were to reveal to you that one of the winners had a starting score of 9, who would that be?
Oh yes, the loosing combatants in these two fights had the same starting score... and one of the winners had a starting score of 9... but it was not Orb
I think that the mafiosi get more than a +2 for killing using Kung Fu during the night and Orb needed a reason to validate his explosive advance.
Too bad these duels exposed him.
OK, Sigurd. Just back from watching House and Shark.
I don't know what the scores of the respective combatants were, with the exception of myself. Disco is *dead*, meaning that you cannot possibly know his score, because he would not have been allowed by the rules to discuss it after his death.
Bad bluff Siggy.
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Oh, and just in case you wanted to put this spin on it, the reference to 'closer to each other's skill level' is to the Sapi and Andres' fight (just checked). Sasaki does also not need to use the same phrasing automatically for the same skill difference.
OK, Sigurd. Just back from watching House and Shark.
I don't know what the scores of the respective combatants were, with the exception of myself. Disco is *dead*, meaning that you cannot possibly know his score, because he would not have been allowed by the rules to discuss it after his death.
Bad bluff Siggy.
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sorry Orb... Ichigo can confirm this... I discussed this with him and Disco before Disco was killed... or rather just after the duels.
I was going to remedy my block of him by training him. I had to know his score to be sure I had twice as much.
I guess you got caught M8...
'How strange! How forgetful! You mean you can't remember?
Unvote, Vote: Orb'
I do, believe it or not, have a life and several other things to do besides this game, combined with a weird (Edit: Freakish is more the word), selective memory. My usual approach was to just check PMs whenever I needed to, but I'm clearing space for Citadel of Alamut. I've saved them to disk, but My Documents currently has no order or organisation. I'll check who I trained with, and report back sometime after 6.30 (GMT) tomorrow.
'
I think that the mafiosi get more than a +2 for killing using Kung Fu during the night and Orb needed a reason to validate his explosive advance. '
Is this a really bad joke?
Sasaki has, IIRC, said in the thread that they get exactly +2 from a Kung Fu night kill.
Do I believe Ichigo? Not unconditionally. What if Ichigo has lied to you about his score?
'I was going to remedy my block of him by training him. I had to know his score to be sure I had twice as much.'
That's weak. He couldn't have trained with you because he was blocked. Or have I misinterpreted the notion of training?
'I think that the mafiosi get more than a +2 for killing using Kung Fu during the night and Orb needed a reason to validate his explosive advance. '
I think just not revealing the explosive advance would be the best Mafia tactic in this situation. Sure as hell I wouldn't have drawn attention to that.
'How strange! How forgetful! You mean you can't remember?
Unvote, Vote: Orb'
I hope Sasaki notices that the above is just a quote and not you voting for yourself.
What if Ichigo has lied to you about his score?
Doubt it...
That's weak. He couldn't have trained with you because he was blocked. Or have I misinterpreted the notion of training?
Not that same night.
I had already sent in a request of training Andres... too bad Sapi blocked him that night.
I was going to train Disco next night... unfortunately he didn't live to see the day.
Do the mafia gain exp. when they make a night kill?
If it is a kung fu kill they get +2.
So why did you think the mafia got more than 2 for a night kill, and why did you think that I would duel to cover such an advance up? It makes more sense simply to not declare it.
So why did you think the mafia got more than 2 for a night kill, and why did you think that I would duel to cover such an advance up? It makes more sense simply to not declare it.
Which leads us back to my question... Were you a 9 when the game began?
'We need to be cautious following sapi, Kommodus and Orb blindly in this.
I have doubts about them…'
Why Sapi and Kommodus?
'Let’s take Orb this time:
From the writeup of the duels in round 1 it seems that Orb and Ichigo are fairly equal giving the victory to Orb because he was using the antithesis style to Ichigo’s.'
It said I had the advantage in terms of skill.
'This would give Orb a bonus of +2.
In his next fight he just rolls over Redleg and it is finished in 3 sec.
Alright so Orb has been training.'
Why? It is entirely possible that Redleg had a worse score than Ichigo. If you pull another 'I contacted him just before he died' statement, I will point blank refuse to believe you. He doesn't, to my knowledge, go on chat, which is where you lurk. Notice all three fights that round are finished in 3 seconds, so the skill differences inherent were almost certainly different but the write-up gave the same difficulty. Sasaki is not forced to use the same exact expression for fights with the same skill difference.
'But there is an inconsistency here.
In post #347 he brags about his pretty damn high Kung Fu value.
I happen to know Ichigo’s Kung Fu value and it is certainly not pretty damn high.'
Bragging does not equate to fact. My Kung Fu value *is* pretty high.
'When in the chat with Ichigo, Orb logged on and I enquired subtly about Orb’s high score and he eventually claimed a starting value of 10. I pressed on and he later claimed a 9. I accused him of making this up as you wouldn’t normally forget your starting score of 9. If you compare this to the fight versus Ichigo which has a low score you can see the inconsistency.
Orb can’t have had a starting score of 9 and he is obviously hiding something.
If Orb had a starting score of 9 and received a +3 bonus for style the fight would have been narrated like the Ichigo vs.The Stranger fight.'
It wasn't a very subtle inquiry. If I were mafia, you'd be dead now. The 'it was a joke thing' threw me not at all. So whose scores do you know? Why won't you reveal them?
'This implies sapi too somewhat as the two of them are seemingly working together. I have my eyes on Kommodus as well. He has yet to mention using his methods. As we all know he vowed to not use them as mafia. The trio seems to be utilising the “All mafia in plain sight” routine. They are building trust with the intent of fooling us all.'
No, you simply can't be arsed to read the thread. He has, I believe, mentioned the use of Holmes.
Sapi and I aren't exactly cooperating.
Sigurd, your reasoning is weak.
Sorry for the disconnected responses. I'd originally planned on going to bed after a quick response, but I remembered the Blackaxe incident.
Which leads us back to my question... Were you a 9 when the game began?
Yes.
Yes.
Then why weren't our first duels narrated similarily...
Both disco and Ichigo had the same score and now you are telling me you had the same score as me? :no:
You should have had at least a 12 against Ichigo's 4... While I had a 9 against Disco's 4+3
Ichigo does indeed have a much lower starting score than I'd expected, if you/he are telling the truth. I assumed it was 6-7. My starting score *was* 9. Nonetheless, I did get a favourable write-up in terms of skill and my style was superior.
What did you think my score was?
You seem not to be getting the idea that Sasaki can use multiple different phrasings to describe the same skill difference. Your case is groundless, excepting that I would probably have attacked me for getting my starting score 'wrong' in the same position.
pevergreen
05-11-2007, 00:32
Challange: Ichigo
BZK has asked me for my ingame name, saying he would reply back with the protection target...I'm waiting.
Poor Ichigo, you are going to get smashed :no:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-11-2007, 00:41
Ok, I hate to step in but it appears to be a question of game mechanics. I wrote the description a bit carelessly.
Orb Vs Ichigo
These fighters are closer to each other's skill level, with an slight edge to Orb. However, Orb's Dragon style is the natural antithesis of Ichigo's White Crane style, and this is enough to allow Orb to soundly defeat Ichigo.
The "closer" is in reference to the previous match, sapi vs andres, and indicates that orb's score is closer to ichigo than sapi's was to andres. The +3 bonus is enough to soundly defeat Ichigo, without it he would perhaps have easily defeated ichigo.
I'll try and write up the descriptions more carefully in the future and perhaps make a code sheet for certain phrases.
pevergreen
05-11-2007, 00:48
Hmm, That means I should beat Ichigo even better.
i already challenge orb.
also to answer your (stigs) question about the write up... either GH or Redleg prolly wrote their own write up...
Someone is telling a falsehood.....
ByzantineKnight
05-11-2007, 03:51
One of these individuals asked me my in game name, under the guise of setting up a protection mission on another player. This provides me a clue that maybe the mafia needs your ingame name in order to kill you at night. I could be incorrect on that but its highly suspecious that an individual asks my ingame name for a protection mission and the very next night I am dead.
If it doesn't violate the rules I will state the individual name later - but I need a PM from Sasaki letting me know if that is okay.
ChuggtheSquirrel asked the same question, Sasaki answered him, just look just past the N1 Summary...
Did anyone notice that the people that were killed during N2 were all losing members of a duel? And they were all killed with Kung Fu, don't you think this could mean that the mafia are dueling during the day, and then killing with Kung Fu during the night?
The second night kill could do with some discussion, did the other mafia not have enough Kung Fu to kill after one of their members died? Or did they just buy a bow and feel that it would be a waste not to use it...
Vote: Orb
sapi is next
Byz
EDIT: Sigurd is next, sapi can be after that.
ByzantineKnight
05-11-2007, 03:54
Challange: Ichigo
BZK has asked me for my ingame name, saying he would reply back with the protection target...I'm waiting.
Poor Ichigo, you are going to get smashed :no:
The other member joined another protection group, i had no one left.
And the other groups i knew about were all full up. :no:
Hopefully we can both have something to do this time.
Challange: Ichigo
BZK has asked me for my ingame name, saying he would reply back with the protection target...I'm waiting.
Poor Ichigo, you are going to get smashed :no:
Why?
Ok, I hate to step in but it appears to be a question of game mechanics. I wrote the description a bit carelessly.
The "closer" is in reference to the previous match, sapi vs andres, and indicates that orb's score is closer to ichigo than sapi's was to andres. The +3 bonus is enough to soundly defeat Ichigo, without it he would perhaps have easily defeated ichigo.
I'll try and write up the descriptions more carefully in the future and perhaps make a code sheet for certain phrases.
Hmmm...
I guess this is a little payoff from Midgard huh?
Alright, it appears that Sasaki basically cleared the name of Orb here. Oh, and for the record, Andres had the starting score of 1 (Also revealed before he died).
For now, me thinks Orb is not mafioso and I apologise if my accusations of you seemed unfounded and/or harsh.
unvote: Orb
Challange: Ichigo
BZK has asked me for my ingame name, saying he would reply back with the protection target...I'm waiting.
Poor Ichigo, you are going to get smashed :no:
Hey, this seems like an opportunist going for a player he believes has a lower score…
Since it was me who did reveal this score… I will try to step in here lowering the chances of Ichigo getting into another fight… that is, if Ichigo wants to fight pever I shall step down.
Challenge: pevergreen
Hey, this seems like an opportunist going for a player he believes has a lower score…
Since it was me who did reveal this score… I will try to step in here lowering the chances of Ichigo getting into another fight… that is, if Ichigo wants to fight pever I shall step down.
Challenge: pevergreen
Oh I blame you.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-11-2007, 08:04
Hmmm...
I guess this is a little payoff from Midgard huh?
Alright, it appears that Sasaki basically cleared the name of Orb here.
I merely clarified the rules :stare:
Eh, when you guys are done comparing penis length, maybe you can start working on a voting system for the challenges?
Instead of disscussing the property of this game, you can try to democratically decide who is going to challenge who. It would be a second voting system next to the lynch voting system and maybe we'll get clues from the voting patterns in this second system as well.
Pannonian
05-11-2007, 08:42
Hey, this seems like an opportunist going for a player he believes has a lower score…
Since it was me who did reveal this score… I will try to step in here lowering the chances of Ichigo getting into another fight… that is, if Ichigo wants to fight pever I shall step down.
Challenge: pevergreen
I wanted to see what Ichigo's score was, not to mention Pevergreen's. From the looks of things Pever is a high scoring fighter while Ichigo is middling. So if you'll step down from challenging pever, pever steps down from challenging Ichigo, and Ichigo confirms that he is indeed middle of the road in terms of kung fu skill, I'll fight Ichigo myself. I'm around middle of the range (5-7 - should be 7, but Sasaki hasn't confirmed it in PMs). So the description of that fight should show us, not only Ichigo's skill (and mine for those who want to confirm), but also the truth or otherwise of Orb's statements.
So can pever and Sigurd please withdraw their challenges?
Challenge: Ichigo
Current challenges, IIRC
The Stranger challenges Orb
Kommodus challenges Twilightblade
Stig challenges Sapi
Pevergreen challenges Ichigo
Sigurd challenges Pevergreen
Pannonian challenges Ichigo
Tally:
Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 2 (CR, Xdeath)
Kage 1 (greatherkhaan)
Pever 1 (Stig)
Sigurd (Orb)
Kommodus challenges TwilightBlade
Omanes challenges Sapi
Pevergreen challenges Ichigo
Sigurd challenges pever
Stig challenges sapi
The_Stranger challenges Orb
So can pever and Sigurd please withdraw their challenges?
alright...
Unchallenge: pevergreen
tally:
Kommodus challenges TwilightBlade
Omanes challenges Sapi
Pevergreen challenges Ichigo
Stig challenges sapi
The_Stranger challenges Orb
still two duels too many for this to work.
pevergreen
05-11-2007, 08:53
Unchallange: Ichigo
but can i fight someone?
Kommo, unchallange TB, he has a very low starting score, I know it because i trained him.
Tally
Kommodus challenges TwilightBlade
Omanes challenges sapi
Stig challenges sapi
The_Stranger challenges Orb
Pannonian
05-11-2007, 09:02
Unchallange: Ichigo
but can i fight someone?
Kommo, unchallange TB, he has a very low starting score, I know it because i trained him.
Tally
Kommodus challenges TwilightBlade
Omanes challenges sapi
Stig challenges sapi
The_Stranger challenges Orb
Kommodus also claims a very low score, which was why I suggested TB. I wanted Kommodus to fight someone so we could see if he's telling the truth about his skill. My original suggestion was Sapi, but Kommo said that he wouldn't last 3 seconds, so I suggested the weakest fighter I know of instead. I'm trying, not only to see the fighting ability of the fighters, but also in relation to others and what they've claimed. If TS doesn't think he can take Orb then perhaps you can take his place instead (since I just want to see Orb fight a high-ranking fighter).
pevergreen
05-11-2007, 09:06
Tb, is obviously not the weakest, if there is someone else that started with the lowest score. TB could be anywhere from 3-7
Kommo, unchallange TB, he has a very low starting score, I know it because i trained him.
The point was that Kommo claimed to have a rather low score. By letting him duel a weak fighter like TB, we'll be able to see if Kommo told the truth...
Still no voting for the challenges I see.
And why are you not voting überhaupt. Maybe the town can place 5 or 6 votes on three different players (preferably on at least one lurker as well), to see how they respond ?
Tb, is obviously not the weakest, if there is someone else that started with the lowest score. TB could be anywhere from 3-7
Hmmm, if you trained him, how can you be so unsure about his score? Trying to hide something?
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