Kung Fu Mafia [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 6

Crazed Rabbit

05-27-2007, 17:08

Twilightblade 4 (Faust, Orb, Ichigo, Sigurd)

What a handy mafia list.

7 to lynch. That means these people:
Xdeathfire
The Stranger,
ByzantineKnight

Need to vote Orb.
Oh, and I'd recommend the townies pool some money to buy a poison or weapon to vigilante kill one of these three:
Faust, Ichigo, Sigurd

EDIT: You know what I find, really, really interesting Sigurd? That you voted for Orb with the following post, after being accused of holding fire to vote TB:

Orb and Faust have voted for TB, now Sigurd is going to hold his fire until Orb is tied once more and Sasaki's return is close. THEN he'll cast his vote for TB.

Yeah right...

vote: Orb

You seemed to scorn that remark, but then you did exactly what it foretold. Exactly. You threw out a meaningless vote for Orb that you took off when it mattered.

So, why did you unvote Orb? There was absolutely no reason given in your post (throwing aside the trashy talk about a need for more talk - an excuse I used as mafia to save my mafia buddy in one of the first mini-mafias, and one that looks especially hollow now that discussion has been had) - so how are we supposed to conclude you are anything but mafia?

CR

Pannonian

05-27-2007, 17:15

Orb and Faust have voted for TB, now Sigurd is going to hold his fire until Orb is tied once more and Sasaki's return is close. THEN he'll cast his vote for TB.

Close enough. Orb was on the verge of being lynched, but Sasaki's return was close, and indeed did Sigurd THEN cast his vote for Twilightblade. Townies, lynch Orb today, Sigurd tomorrow, Faust the day after. If you can, pool your resources to night-killl one of them - without night-kills, AFAICS it's a locked win for the scum.

Faust|

05-27-2007, 17:16

Ultimatum for TB: suicide or be lynched next round.

Unvote

Vote: Orb

And no, I'm not mafia. I've trained every night except night 1. The reason was that I thought you needed a partner.

Night One: no action
Night Two: Trained with Warmaster Horus

Nights Three, Four and Five from Pannonian, if he had the role (presumably so):

Alright we can work with this...
Is this all your results?

you got 2 results on night 1 (Ichigo and Pever(Twilight))
you got 2 results on night 2 (Pever and Stig)
you got 2 results on night 3 (Faust and Kommodus)
you got 1 result on night 4 (Faust)
you got 1 result on night 5 (Faust)

Crane
Dragon
Mantis

Something needs to be done with TB next round. BZK I'm not worried about.

EDIT: Pannonian, I'm convinced that you think I'm guilty simply because I opposed you.

Orb

05-27-2007, 17:17

Twilightblade 2 (Ichigo, Sigurd)
Orb 5 (Greaterkhaan, Twilightblade, Pevergreen, Kommodus, Faust)
Pevergreen 1(Xdeathfire)
Not voted 2(The Stranger, ByzantineKnight)

Well, now that there's a little more time for us to pause for thought.
Unvote

1) We need to lynch one of the mafia.

My thoughts were that they might well be Pevergreen, Twilightblade, Kommodus and possibly Sigurd, but a mafioso never prolongues discussion, which clears Sigurd.

Now, my remaining suspects are thus TB, who has excused, rather than defended his lurking, Kommodus (although I am less certain about him. He defended a dead player, whom I believe to be innocent) and pevergreen, who has (according to Sigurd) a high Kung Fu, yet is not particularly open about it. This *might indicate guilt*, but that still leaves my best guess as TB.

Anyhow, we need to be accurate, not hasty, so I'm keeping my vote back.

Very odd switch, Faust. As soon as your association is suspected, you change votes.

Scummy
Vote: faust

Crazed Rabbit

05-27-2007, 17:28

Twilightbladeand possibly Sigurd, but a mafioso never prolongues discussion, which clears Sigurd.

HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Maybe you should check out this mafia thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=68865) (me and Kagemusha were the mafia), specifically this post of mine (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1236338&postcount=13). It was the second post into the game, right after Sigurd voted Kage, and I needed a good excuse to take the heat off my buddy:

I thought we were going to discuss this a little first. The whole point of such a small game is that you can't throw away lynches like no tommorow and still win in the end (heehee, mafia 3). Unless you're just trying to get some discussion going.

So here's who we've got:

GeneralHankerchief
SilverRusher
Dutch_Guy
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane

2 are mafia, and we have a 50% chance each of having a detective and doctor.

(By the way, Sigurd, does Fafnesbane mean the bane of something? LIke a dragon?)

What I want to see is everyone posting before I vote and explaining themselves. This is too important to do the typical mafia opening vote.

Crazed Rabbit

Let's keep the discussion going a wee bit longer... shall we?

Your saying that just makes it more clear you and Sigurd are mafia. A mafioso will most definitely prolong discussion if they can save a fellow mafioso (you, Orb).

Sigurd - I want your answer.
Crazed Rabbit

Sigurd

05-27-2007, 19:19

Sigurd - I want your answer.

What can I say?
I swear on my mothers grave that I am not mafia in this game.

I know however this; if we do not block and/or lynch mafiosi today, we loose.
I put my vote on Orb to build up pressure.. I also challenged Faust to see how he responded.
This is a crucial moment, and since no-one has come forward and declared that they saved someone night 4 the possibility of us having blocked several mafiosi is getting stronger. That is why I am a little reluctant to lynch Orb this round.

Some of the players going up against me, Orb and The Stranger have challenged other players to increase the chance of not being blocked this round, including Faust. This is suspicious at best.

Andres

05-27-2007, 20:16

Some of the players going up against me, Orb and The Stranger have challenged other players to increase the chance of not being blocked this round, including Faust. This is suspicious at best.

I agree with Sigurd here. Way too much challenges... you guys need to make up your mind and decide on who is to be incapacitated next night.

A voting system for the challenges perhaps...?

Pannonian

05-28-2007, 00:44

Why is it 7 to lynch when 6 is a majority?

pevergreen

05-28-2007, 01:09

i may not have the highest score, but i am the most masterful possible.

Just got a thought on the extra name, perhaps a fourth style that trumps all/none?

Orb

05-28-2007, 02:07

Fine, I'll go with Andres' suggestion.

Unchallenge

Faust|

05-28-2007, 02:38

Some of the players going up against me, Orb and The Stranger have challenged other players to increase the chance of not being blocked this round, including Faust. This is suspicious at best.

Ehm, no that's not why I challenged. Clearly I challenged TB when I thought that he wasn't going to explain anymore and pressure was useless. I don't see why your challenge should be given precedence over mine on your suggestion alone... but if others agree with you I'll remove my challenge, preferably once someone else challenges TB.

Well, now that I've written this, what should be done is that we challenge only one player a night. This could be used by the mafia to frame though... not sure how it would work out.

Myrddraal

05-28-2007, 10:10

I'm following this game and it's pretty interesting. I have my suspicions of course :smile:

I just thought I'd pop in a suggestion that we don't swear to things in mafia games. It's happened twice in this game and I can't say I like it. Giving your word or swearing that something is true is a bit too important to be used so lightly imho.

I don't want to go off-topic, so don't feel the need to reply to this post, I just think it needed saying.

Now Lynch the Mafia! :evilgrin:

sapi

05-28-2007, 10:33

Myrddrall, I have to agree with you there - we dont' want swearing to be used as a get out of jail card, or worse, people to lie when doing so...

@Faust - nope, I disagree.

Use all our challenges every night - it improves the odds

Twilightblade

05-28-2007, 11:03

Well if everyone is bent on lynching Orb and myself I see no reson to prolong it.
Don't get me wrong I enjoy surviving but if the majority think that is what should be done then do it I'm done defending myself for now other than saying that I'm not mafia
take my word (which has very little or no weight to it) or dont its up to you

Pannonian

05-28-2007, 13:24

TevashSzat

05-28-2007, 14:56

Andres, I think you are being overly aggressive towards my innocence or guiltiness. You say that I went for easy targets like BZK and Twlilight. Note in fact that I was the first to vote for BZK or actually the first to do anything about him so that is hardly easy. Secondly, I voted for Twligiht because pevergreen started saying that twlilight and byz were innocent without any proof which was certainley very suspicious for him and those two as well.

Faust|

05-28-2007, 17:20

So much for extending the discussion. ByzantineKnight doesn't look like returning, and the bloc of Orb, Sigurd, Faust and Ichigo will be there to switch the votes back should Orb be in danger of reaching 7 votes. Without BK, Orb won't be getting 7 votes.

Once again, Sasaki, why if it 7 to lynch when 6 is a majority? Normal Org games need slightly less than a majority to lynch, but here you've specified 1 more than a plain majority. Is there any reason why the town has to be more united than usual this round?

Orb is two votes away (not that much) and I'm going to be absent all day. So I won't "switch my vote back". FYI I was planning on switching BEFORE Sasaki announced a tie, but he beat me to it. I have no problem with switching the limit to 6 votes.

Let me be clear, I do believe Orb is the best lynch candidate, just not a good one. Pressure on TB obviously won't work. This is what struck me most suspicious about Orb:

Originally Posted by Orb:
"Nothing. Nil. Nada. Nichts.

IIRC, I trained with someone on night one. I've cleaned out my PMs, so I'll go through the havoc of 'My Documents' soon and try to find 'em. "

Posted by Hughtower:
"How strange! How forgetful! You mean you can't remember?"

Unvote, Vote: Orb

This was in response to a question of Pannonians about what his night actions were. The other thing that strikes me as strange is that he increased his KF score steadily through training with the master and duelling, but did not know all this time that you could train by yourself at night. Admittedly, I also had that impression at first, but I found out otherwise fairly quickly. These are the main points against Orb imo... I don't think anyone has laid them out plainly them to this point. So yes, he's probably the best lynch candidate followed by Sigurd or perhaps TB for next round.

Sigurd

05-28-2007, 18:21

We shouldn't worry too much about who is the right lynch candidate this night. What matters is that we get one of the 4 mafia still alive in the game.
I think this is why Sasaki has put 7 to lynch.

Let's take a view of our possibilities.

11 players left. 7 townies and 4 mafiosi
we lynch a mafioso
10 players left. 7 townies and 3 mafiosi.
we block none. the mafia buys another crossbow and kills 3
7 players left. 4 townies and 3 mafiosi.
we lynch a mafioso.
6 players left. 4 townies and 2 mafiosi.
none is blocked. the mafia kills 2
4 players left. 2 townies and 2 mafiosi
Mafia wins.

You see... even if we get a mafioso in every of the remaining rounds they still win unless we are able to block their night action. It is this we should discuss...
Too many challenges decreases the chanses of blocking the right players.
There are only 3 duels every day. We should fill them with the right challenges, challenges that will block mafia.

Stig

05-28-2007, 18:25

Already a mafia died as Pann pointed out ages ago (unless Sasaki has proven that wrong)

Sigurd

05-28-2007, 19:56

Already a mafia died as Pann pointed out ages ago (unless Sasaki has proven that wrong)
Please refresh my mind as I can't remember having read this.

Pannonian

05-28-2007, 20:01

Game's running out of steam. This round's lasted 5 days so far, and doesn't look like finding the 7 votes Sasaki has set (thanks to Sigurd's last minute switch from Orb to TB).

Stig

05-28-2007, 20:09

Please refresh my mind as I can't remember having read this.
Well you know that name thing. All our names end on the names of our fighting styles, except for CR's

Sigurd

05-28-2007, 20:17

Game's running out of steam. This round's lasted 5 days so far, and doesn't look like finding the 7 votes Sasaki has set (thanks to Sigurd's last minute switch from Orb to TB).
You would still need 1 more vote even if I had kept mine in place.

Pannonian

05-28-2007, 20:34

You would still need 1 more vote even if I had kept mine in place.

When I get online again, the person with the most votes will be lynched.
Orb had 5 votes, TB had 3 votes, therefore Orb=lynched. Don't wriggle out of it. You're banking on player fatigue, extending the round as long as possible so that, even though Orb is a cert lynch, people won't be around in the following rounds to discuss, and therefore clear the way for a well-timed bandwagon and an easy mafia win.

Sigurd

05-28-2007, 21:12

Orb had 5 votes, TB had 3 votes, therefore Orb=lynched. Don't wriggle out of it. You're banking on player fatigue, extending the round as long as possible so that, even though Orb is a cert lynch, people won't be around in the following rounds to discuss, and therefore clear the way for a well-timed bandwagon and an easy mafia win.
Alright... so we lynch Orb this round... who do we block?

Orb

05-28-2007, 22:27

I'm happy to suicide and spare you the lynch, if Pevergreen the ever-suspicious will go with me.

Tran

05-29-2007, 00:06

That's the worst funniest defense method I've ever heard from Orb ~;)

pevergreen

05-29-2007, 00:19

Oh, dont worry Orb, im suiciding all right.

Reason: Xdeathfire

Go back a page (40 posts per page) and read my post. the one with the red letters.

Suicide:pevergreen

Csargo

05-29-2007, 00:42

Cult power activate!

Suicide:Ichigo

Sigurd

05-29-2007, 06:04

There goes two suspects...

unvote, vote:Orb
unchallenge

Orb 6 (Greaterkhaan, Twilightblade, Pevergreen, Kommodus, Faust, Sigurd)
Twilightblade 1 (Ichigo)
Pevergreen 1 (Xdeathfire)
Faust| 1 (Orb)
Not voted 2 (The Stranger, ByzantineKnight)

The Stranger vs. Ichigo
Xdeathfire vs. ByzantineKnight
Pevergreen vs. Xdeathfire
Faust vs. TwilightBlade
Greaterkhaan vs. Kommodus

sapi

05-29-2007, 07:56

If that's two townies we lose...

Andres

05-29-2007, 08:23

Nah come on guys, suiciding is not fun. It ruins the game.

Csargo

05-29-2007, 08:24

Nah come on guys, suiciding is not fun. It ruins the game.

For personal reasons....

Sigurd

05-29-2007, 08:34

I believe all of the mafia has voted Orb..
I also believe they have challenged eachother to make sure two is capable of night actions.
Sigurd and The Stranger should be next night's targets.

This is the winning recipe.

Andres

05-29-2007, 08:40

For personal reasons....

I see.

Good luck with your exams :2thumbsup:

Csargo

05-29-2007, 08:52

I see.

Good luck with your exams :2thumbsup:

Well that's part of it. Congrats on the SM Andres.

I'm sitting here in the chat all by my lonesome.

Sigurd

05-29-2007, 09:13

I'm sitting here in the chat all by my lonesome.
I haven't found a workaround to access the chat from work yet.. These multi billion companies have too many security issues.

pevergreen

05-29-2007, 10:04

:laugh4: Ive provided my reasons, can't make it much clearer.

Stig

05-29-2007, 15:47

Ichigo, if you're townie it's better to not suicide and get WoG'ed in a couple of turns.

Pannonian

05-29-2007, 20:27

Can Ichigo, before he kills himself, put his vote on Orb to get the game moving? It's been stuck in this round for 6 days now.

GeneralHankerchief

05-29-2007, 21:33

If our host agrees
I shall put the killing vote
On Orb to proceed.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-29-2007, 21:52

Hello. Working 8-5 now. Will not be able to keep up as well.

Vote was tied when I extended. 7 is too many as pann pointed out, lowered to 6, orb has been lynched. Both suicides noted. Writeup tonight.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-29-2007, 21:59

I would have been on this weekend but a power outage killed our internet.

Andres

05-29-2007, 23:15

I would have been on this weekend but a power outage killed our internet.

Last time you used such an excuse, you were mafia :inquisitive: Can we lynch the host?

seireikhaan

05-29-2007, 23:39

Last time you used such an excuse, you were mafia :inquisitive: Can we lynch the host?
Come to think of it, Sasaki seems to lose his internet quite a lot. I seem to remember him claiming that a carrier pigeon chewed though his connection cord while he was playing CNII.:inquisitive:

Tran

05-30-2007, 00:55

Yes, but back then he was not mafia, and it is the people who accused him mafia WERE the real mafia...so I suspect Andres :rolleyes:

Edit: Andres was dead, no need to vote for him... :laugh2:

Twilightblade

05-30-2007, 11:00

Can Ichigo, before he kills himself, put his vote on Orb to get the game moving? It's been stuck in this round for 6 days now.
6 days? I only count 5 but that might be because of different time zones.
Well it looks like I'll survive another round. But how much longer will I last?:help:

Sasaki Kojiro

05-30-2007, 18:07

Sorry, internet stil down.

Stig

05-30-2007, 18:14

Sorry, internet stil down.
Am I stupid or did you just post?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-30-2007, 18:21

Internet at office, not at my place of residence which has my laptop with spreadsheet.

The Stranger

05-30-2007, 18:39

hello...

it seems this game is pretty much over...

for those ppl wondering why i havent voted is that i was busy and i havent been on since

Welcome, The Stranger.
You last visited: 05-25-2007 at 15:22

check it if you want to

Andres

05-30-2007, 20:54

hello...

it seems this game is pretty much over...

Were you mafia?

Faust|

05-31-2007, 02:22

The Stranger

05-31-2007, 15:53

im not mafia... and its pretty much over... 10 ppl 3-4 mafia... do the math

pevergreen

06-01-2007, 00:40

so? WE CAN FIGHT!

Twilightblade

06-01-2007, 00:42

Pever didn't you Suicide????

pevergreen

06-01-2007, 00:47

the phase isnt over.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-01-2007, 01:43

Sung Mui has been thrown over the cliff.

Orb 6 (Greaterkhaan, Twilightblade, Pevergreen, Kommodus, Faust, Sigurd)
Twilightblade 1 (Ichigo)
Pevergreen 1 (Xdeathfire)
Faust| 1 (Orb)
Not voted 2 (The Stranger, ByzantineKnight)

*************

Chang Fujian and Chen Fujian have left the temple.

*************

Xdeathfire(wc) vs. ByzantineKnight(pm): xdeathfire wins easily
Faust(d) vs. TwilightBlade(pm): Faust wins by a narrow margin
Greaterkhaan(pm) vs. Kommodus(d): Fight is over very quickly, easy easy win for G-khan.

************

Killed (12):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Redleg
GH
Roadkill
Caius
Sapi
Omanes
Stig
Pannonian

Lynched (6):
Tran
BlackAxe
doc_bean
Crazed Rabbit
Warluster
Orb

Expelled from Temple(8):
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Xehh
Kagemusha
Beefy187
CountArach
WarmasterHorus

Left the temple(3):
HughTower
Ichigo
Pevergreen

Living (8):

Faust|
Xdeathfire
Kommodus
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Sigurd
TwilightBlade
The_Stranger

******************

it is now night

Kommodus

06-01-2007, 05:22

Well guys, I apologize for my inactivity. :shame:

Unfortunately, it looks like this summer is not going to be particularly conducive to my involvement in mafia games. I'll have to take a break from it for a while.

Anyway, since I got beat up and will probably be killed tonight, here's a summary of my night activities:

Night 1: Protected Redleg with GH and CR
Night 2: Protected CR with GH and HughTower

Also, following this night in which disco was killed, I got a PM from BK indicating he could tell me who killed disco. He said to wait a couple of rounds so he could tie up some loose ends.

However, I don't believe anything came of this. At this point in the game, I'd like BK to explain himself.

Night 3: Trained alone; I was being protected by CR, GH, and HughTower since I'd received the antidote from sapi.

Night 4: Idle as I'd been beaten up by TwilightBlade.

Night 5: Idle; I was away and didn't send orders.

Night 6: Tried to get training from Stig (following Pannonian's advice). I assume this failed since Stig was killed.

My starting score was 3; with one successful training (alone) it is probably now 4. Now the mafia know I can easily be killed with Kung Fu - but that was not really a secret anyway.

Finally, I'd like to suggest that Faust is guilty and should be lynched. This is based on a review of his posts and statistics. I don't have time to elaborate right now.

EDIT: Sorry, PM now paraphrased instead of quoted. I forgot we couldn't quote PMs from players beside Sasaki either.

Pannonian

06-01-2007, 09:03

No quoting PMs or anything not publicly available.

sapi

06-01-2007, 10:41

Well, it's publically avaliable now, isn't it? :grin2:

Orb

06-01-2007, 11:50

So, Pannonian, are you satisfied by my silly name now?
CR, Sigurd and I are nothing like the Mafia.

Pannonian

06-01-2007, 12:07

So, Pannonian, are you satisfied by my silly name now?
CR, Sigurd and I are nothing like the Mafia.
My conclusion about CR was partly based on his name, but mostly by the goings on in an outside forum - I may have explained the details in an earlier round, but if I did not, then I can't go into them now I'm dead. I accept I was wrong about the name. However, my suspicions about you and Sigurd were based entirely on the goings on here, in this thread. I may still be wrong about you, but as of now, I've seen nothing to substantially suggest I was.

Tran

06-01-2007, 13:23

Well, the "different name" might indeed mean CR has a special role, but does not necessarily mean he was a bad guy. He could have some kind of detective role or something, then the bad guys probably found out and decided to kill him...

Kommodus

06-01-2007, 15:04

Anyway, if 3 mafia remain then we are done for regardless - after 2 kills, we'd be down to a 3-3 tie, giving the mafia the win.

Cult power activate!

Suicide:Ichigo

"We are the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad... attack!!!"

Seriously, all the suicides last round were lame. They've ended the game if 3 mafia remain, and made it more difficult regardless. This game has suffered from too many suicides and mod-kills.

I don't think suicide should be used as a game tactic, or in frustration and anger. It should only be done for a legit reason (i.e. you are going to be absent for a long time and can't participate in the game).

The Stranger

06-01-2007, 16:33

i agree... its also stupid to say; well prove youre townie and suicide with me... i encountered this tactic twice... its stupid and no fun and doesnt add anything to the game... wether i would be townie or not i would never suicide because its simpy no fun... and a game is supposed to be fun

pevergreen

06-02-2007, 00:35

Well, Xdeathfire could not see my huge messages, so i had no reason to play.

TevashSzat

06-02-2007, 20:01

Well, all you did was say BZK was innocent and nothing more without any proof so if I said I AM NOT MAFIA without anything backing me up, will you be instantly convinced??

Kommodus

06-02-2007, 20:15

Well, all you did was say BZK was innocent

:helloo:

He said - in huge red letters - that he did NOT think Byz was innocent...

Sasaki Kojiro

06-02-2007, 20:43

I'm going to kill Tsao Shui with weapon:

"Hello Tsao Shui"

Tsao Shui, spun around: "why hell..."

But that is all he got out, as he was decapitated by a fast swordstroke from a robed monk.

"Why not?" said the monk as he casually walked away, wiping his sword blade clean from the blood.

***************************

Chu Mui's body ached from his duel earlier in the day. He set out to a hot spring located just outside the temple to help relieve his body of his aching pain. However, just after leaving the temple's premises, he stopped when a fellow monk stepped out from behind a tree in front of him. "Chu Mui, are you leaving us?" the figure asked. "How could you dare to abandon us in our time of need?"

"My dear monk, I am merely heading to the spring to help relieve my sore and aching body. I promise that I am returning to the temple when I am finished," Chu Mui responded.

"Liar!" the monk screeched. "You plan on leaving us to save your own skin! Just when we need your help most, you flee like a coward!" The monk charged Chu Mui, tackling him and pinning him to the ground. The monk pulled a crossbow that was hanging on his back and aimed it at Chu Mui's chest. Chu Mui's eyes widened and he struggled against the monk, but the monk's left forearm was pinned against his throat. The monk pulled the trigger, sending the bolt through Chu Mui's heart.

**************************

Killed (14):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Redleg
GH
Roadkill
Caius
Sapi
Omanes
Stig
Pannonian
TwilightBlade
Kommodus

Lynched (6):
Tran
BlackAxe
doc_bean
Crazed Rabbit
Warluster
Orb

Expelled from Temple(8):
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Xehh
Kagemusha
Beefy187
CountArach
WarmasterHorus

Left the temple(3):
HughTower
Ichigo
Pevergreen

Living (6):

Faust|
Xdeathfire
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Sigurd
The_Stranger

***********

4 to lynch.

TevashSzat

06-02-2007, 20:56

that he did NOT think Byz was innocent...

Ah, my misrecollection there, but still no one can deny that pevergreen seemed to be vouching for him at first with his quick counter challenge for me even though I have always randomly voted and didn't pursue any of my previous votes

Orb

06-02-2007, 21:22

So, suspects:

Sigurd - He was clearly working with me :rolleyes:
Faust - odd vote patterns
Xdeathfire - lurking and insubstantial posts.

Crazed Rabbit

06-02-2007, 21:32

So, it seems Kommodus was vigilante killed. If that is so, we have some foolish vigilantes.

Ah well, I wash my hands of this town.

CR

Stig

06-02-2007, 21:42

Sigurd and Faust (who mostlikely just used Orb)

CR was mafia I think. Maybe Doc Bean as well, as we don't know his name.

seireikhaan

06-03-2007, 00:43

Vote: Sigurd.

Has been acting scummy all game long, with the clincher being his rather absurd defense of Orb, extending the game a good two to three days with his desperate attempt to save his mafia buddy. And I'm not falling for your sarcasm, Orb. It's been clear that you two have been working together all game long. Every time Pann or Stig or someone else started to bring heavy pressure against Orb, it was always Sigurd who went rushing to his rescue at the last moment. Time to lynch this scum.

Kommodus

06-03-2007, 01:15

So, it seems Kommodus was vigilante killed. If that is so, we have some foolish vigilantes.

Agreed. First Pannonian, then me? Someone's going to be seriously embarrassed at the end of this. :laugh4:

Anyway, at least there's one good sign - there was only one mafia kill. I still think it was Faust; take that for what it's worth. If there's time later I'll try to elaborate, but I'm going to be at Cedar Point all day with some friends, so don't count on anything.

Faust|

06-03-2007, 01:17

Well I won't spend much more time defending myself... I'm not mafia. I am vouched for for the first 5 or 6 days except for night one, when I didn't have a training partner. Before night two I sent PM's to Stig, CR, and WH asking to train... I eventually trained with WH.

Yes, I did avoid voting for Orb for a while, but only to put pressure on TB. I'm regretful now that I couldn't switch my vote before Sasaki extended the voting.

I have other defenses (not so difficult, since I'm innocent), but for now the town has to lynch a mafia this round.

So, one thing new I observed was this: If you look at Sasaki's post of the kills, it looks like he included the mafia's orders in the write-up. The orders were, as I see it, "to weapon-kill". Not sure what to make of this.

Also, we need to look at KF scores, because I think everyone has fought in a duel here... right?

Confirmed high scores:
Sigurd

Medium-high:
TS

Medium:
Faust

Medium-low:
(TB- dead)

Low:
(Kommodus- dead)

Three uncertains are greaterkhan, BZK, and X. It is somewhat difficult to tell from the duels, as I believe this was all their first, and both gk and X defeated their opponents with a style advantage. GK and X are probably around TS's level... perhaps higher or lower. BZK, who I think is innocent anyway, is probably "medium-low" or "low". I think we have enough info to make this hierarchy useful at this point. So will someone else do the analyzing? :laugh4:

I'll come back later this evening to look through the previous posts.

seireikhaan

06-03-2007, 01:25

If there's time later I'll try to elaborate, but I'm going to be at Cedar Point all day with some friends, so don't count on anything.

Cedar Point?!?! Can I come? Pleeeaaaase?!

Faust|

06-03-2007, 01:34

Anyway, at least there's one good sign - there was only one mafia kill. I still think it was Faust; take that for what it's worth.

The last part is not true... even if I look at it objectively: I am excused from mafia night actions for the first 5 nights (.4% or 3.1% chance [depending on how many mafia] that I was mafia and didn't make a kill all those nights). Also, if I was mafia I obviously would not have duelled TB seeing how close it was.

Which victim was TB? If he was mafia killed then that should pretty much clear my name.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on the hierarchy before I vote. No reason to rush to a lynch at this point when the round is under control. We know that the mafia had 2 medium-high to high KF members as far as I can recall... Since there is at least one mafia left, I doubt that we lynched them both already. As I see it Orb was most likely one, and he did have a high KF.

Kommodus

06-03-2007, 03:52

Well I won't spend much more time defending myself... I'm not mafia. I am vouched for for the first 5 or 6 days except for night one, when I didn't have a training partner.

I'm not sure how you can claim this. You claim Pannonian as your alibi for nights 3, 4, and 5, since he observed you training - which is true. But Pannonian doesn't seem to consider that alibi ironclad:

Close enough. Orb was on the verge of being lynched, but Sasaki's return was close, and indeed did Sigurd THEN cast his vote for Twilightblade. Townies, lynch Orb today, Sigurd tomorrow, Faust the day after. If you can, pool your resources to night-killl one of them - without night-kills, AFAICS it's a locked win for the scum.

Also, you have no alibi for night 6.

Still, I don't recommend any hasty lynchings at this point. You're right about one thing - the town probably needs to lynch a mafioso at this point to win.

Faust|

06-03-2007, 04:22

I'm not sure how you can claim this.

I do claim that I am vouched for for 4/5 first nights... I don't see how it can be otherwise. Night one I didn't train because I thought we needed a partner. After that I PM'd people and got WH to train with me night 2. Nights 3, 4, and 5 my night training was observed. Out of 5 nights that I COULD be vouched for, I can be verified as training for 4. The remaining night (night one), I have a good excuse. I actually found out about training solo through the chat. Ichigo, sapi, and GK were present at that time, with sapi informing me of this detail. It is true that I, along with the vast majority of other players, do not have an alibi for any night after night 6.

But this does give me an idea. It may be too late, however. But... Assign training partners to each player (we have an even number). Either the mafia are "blocked" or if a player does not receive a +1 bonus, their training partner was performing another night action. I'm wondering if this is possible or if they would then train by themselves by default, gaining the +1 anyway. Again, this is unfortunately somewhat late, I'm not sure that it would do much good at this point. If there is only one mafia at this point, I think it would be worth employing.

*Hmm, ok though. If the player who fails to receive the +1 bonus is killed that night there would be no way to determine the suspected mafia absolutely. You could "guess" that it was his training partner, though.

seireikhaan

06-03-2007, 05:44

Ok, maybe this is pure coincidence, but I picked up on something while I was rereading the info thread. Sigurd challenged someone in all but two rounds, and winning every challenge he participated in by a wide margin, even the ones where he was at a style disadvantage. With the writeups, we know that there were at least two mafioso who were proficient at kung fu. I think its unlikely we've killed off both of them. I believe Orb was one of those mafioso. Here's what I thought was intriguing. Sigurd challenged someone in all but two rounds. In the two rounds he didn't challenge, there was one other notable person who didn't make a challenge: Orb.

Perhaps the mafia has taken deliberate steps recently to temper the inordinate growth of their kung fu(since all the kung fu kills would add to this), figuring that such an insanely high kung fu score would attract attention. It seems quite suspicious to me that Orb and Sigurd would be quite so coordinated, in addition to the fact that Sigurd has always been running to Orb's rescue at the last second during the whole game. Also, my guess is that the mafia probably bought a crossbow and framed a vigelante kill to try hiding their numbers. In addition, it would make sense, going with the theme of trying keep their kung fu from being astronomical.

Here's my last problem. The mafia went straight for high profile targets, almost right away. They left Kommodus towards the end, probably because he wasn't contributing much and had admitted to being busy. However, Sigurd most certainly is high profile, and he's been attempting discussion most of the game. Why, then, isn't he dead? Surely if he was innocent, the mafia would have continued their theme of high profile kills and taken him out early. And yet, here he still lives...

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-03-2007, 11:18

The Stranger

06-03-2007, 11:35

who are we going to vote for?

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-03-2007, 11:50

who are we going to vote for?Sigurd is the current prime target in the opinions of the majority of the noble town, but I, if I could vote, would wish to see his defence before having him slaughtered. I suggest that others wait for this response too.

Orb

06-03-2007, 13:04

From what I can see here, it is quite obvious that the mafia has taken at least one casualty, that is, if there is four of them - otherwise the town would now be defeated. From the number of kills, and the fact that the town is still in existence, there are obviously a maximum of three (or possibly two) still among you. Bear in mind that, if there are three mafioso then, the town will suffer defeat if you lynch the wrong person. Think very carefully before casting votes.
This game doesn't end until every townie's dead, but if there are four mafia left, the town's lost anyway, so we should assume there are two or three.

BTW, Sigurd, if he is mafia, is quite likely to be the Kung Fu Killing Mafioso due to his very high score. He was enabled last night, yet the kill was through weaponry. That could almost clear him, unless it's a trick of some form or another, Sigurd certainly does have the intelligence and mafia experience to pull that one off, as greaterkhaan has said. I still don't trust him, and never have done, but I suggest you wait to see what he has to say for himself in his defence before lynching him.

He'd incriminate himself by killing with Kung Fu. In his situation, were I mafia (and he isn't, I think), I wouldn't even consider a Kung Fu kill. He doesn't need to boost his score any more.

I repeat. Sigurd and I have never worked together. Anyone who believes that is insane.

Tran

06-03-2007, 13:54

I repeat. Sigurd and I have never worked together. Anyone who believes that is insane.
I don't. But I do believe you worked with somebody else... :rolleyes:

The Stranger

06-03-2007, 15:56

Orb its not a smart debating move to say agree with me or else... its pretty much threathening

Crazed Rabbit

06-03-2007, 16:33

There is always the possibility that there are four mafiosos left and you're all screwed whatever you do.

Just throwing that out there.

CR

Orb

06-03-2007, 17:27

Orb its not a smart debating move to say agree with me or else... its pretty much threathening

Where did I do that?
Plus, I'm dead, I'm not in a position to threaten.

Sigurd

06-04-2007, 12:12

I do not believe there are 4 Mafiosi left.
If we should believe Pann’s claim of there being 4 Mafiosi at the start of this game (he has not commented on the matter even though asked; it is public knowledge).

Sasaki has put the voting majority to 4. He would not do this if there were 4 Mafiosi left. Besides they would have ended this game already.
I think we have max 3 left. Normally a game would end if the number of mafia equals that of the town.
But since we have the ability to block players… we still have a chance.

If we are at 3 mafia vs. 3 townies we must have lynched one… The vigilante theory falls unless there was a vigilante role. The gold needed to kill two players, amounts to 160 gold. No townie would afford this. The mafia on the other hand receives the gold of their victims and have the opportunity to pool gold for such purchasing.

Since no one has come forward to answer my question regarding protection night 4, I will now assume that the mafia was blocked or chose to fool us by targeting only 1.

Kommodus claims Faust| is our best bet of this lynch. Yet the majority here thinks I am one of the remaining Mafiosi.

Only greaterkhaan as offered to cooperate with me through his analysis of text and a pm request of joining a protection team to protect Orb.
The Stranger (without an _ ) sent me a pm requesting to know what my Kung Fu score was. (he gave me his).
No one else has contacted me during the game (save Sasaki).
Obviously you don’t trust me.

I am not convinced that Orb was not a Mafioso… I had my initial suspicion of him regarding the Kung Fu scores that didn’t add up. I took however Sasaki’s reply as a statement of innocence and have been reluctant since to lynch him.
The town needs strong townie fighters to block mafia. I firmly believe that is the sole reason of the duels. For this reason the mafia would want to get rid of me and The Stranger. Odd that they chose Kommodus and TwilightBlade last night. That they spared me is because they want to frame me and have me lynched this round… It is imperative that they are able to do so.

That people are away for longer periods of time or have so-called alibis for several nights means nothing.
The mafia is good at creating alibis for themselves. Usually only one of the Mafiosi sends in the pm with the kill description. They could have used The Stranger as hit man even though he was “away”.
That would explain his unusual high score.
Remember he was away yet he was able to gain a score that lies in the twenties. He was also a little confused regarding training, claiming to not know how to do this. I think his high score even though it started out as a 10 is suspiciously high at best.
Then we have Faust|, he could very well be the one who coordinated the attacks. And making sure he had an alibi (see Pann’s nightwatch list) he would be able to profess innocence at a later state.
Am I the only one that find Pann’s list a little weird. How many of you know you trained during a night but are not on this list?
He should at least get two players every night? Yet only saw one the last two nights he watched the training ground.
But since nobody has come forward claiming to be Pann’s vigilante killer, we are forced to believe that Pann was the real thing.
Then we have Byzantine Knight who claims that he knows who killed Discovery1… Now would be the right time to tell us the name of this killer…
The town needs your input on the matter.

Faust|

06-04-2007, 17:33

Then we have Faust|, he could very well be the one who coordinated the attacks. And making sure he had an alibi (see Pann’s nightwatch list) he would be able to profess innocence at a later state.
[FONT=Verdana]Am I the only one that find Pann’s list a little weird. How many of you know you trained during a night but are not on this list?

I thought Pann's list was strange also (this didn't do anything to help him when he was alive). But presumably he was only listing players that he observed training who were still alive at the time of his post.

This is wrong:

That people are away for longer periods of time or have so-called alibis for several nights means nothing.

Orb's lack of an alibi for several consecutive nights led me to believe he was mafia. His excuse for not having any detectable night actions the first 5 rounds was that he did not know you could train by yourself... this is coming from the player with possibly the highest KF score. He also did a poor job presenting the details of his excuse, which I pointed out before as very suspicious.

Add to this that Orb said he would suicide, essentially letting the town lynch two players, if pevergreen would suicide with him. However, he failed to suicide (wonder why?) once this actually happened. He was scum.

Why has nobody said anything about my training suggestion above? If we do this we should let a mafia-killed player assign the partners.

The Stranger

06-04-2007, 18:35

Why is my score unusually high... you told me that myscore was low these days... that means im prolly one of the lowest around now...

Sigurd

06-04-2007, 21:17

Why is my score unusually high... you told me that myscore was low these days... that means im prolly one of the lowest around now...

Actually I checked the thread again and you claimed to have a 17 on the 15th of may (round 3 lasted from the 10th to the 16th) but also claimed that your duel score was not counted. You should have had a 19.
Looking through your posts you do claim that you trained every night and day. This checks out with your claim.

round 1: 10 as initial score +1 night training +2 day training = 13 (20 - 10 = 10 gold)

round 2: 13 +1 night training +2 day training = 16 + 2 duel = 18 (+5 -10 = 5 gold)

round 3: 18 + 1 night training = 19 (you thought 17 at the time)+ 2 day training = 21 (+5 -10 = 0 gold)

round 4:no training = 21

round 5: no training = 21 (you pm me claiming to have a 21 score)

Also, you mention two times in your posts that you have a role and suggests it in other posts. one example being when Omanes thought that townies could only have a max of 10 points. You say that only players with roles have more than 10...
Care to elaborate ?

Sigurd

06-04-2007, 21:27

I have been thinking a little more and have reached the conclusion that there can only be 2 mafiosi left.
Follow my thought here.
Sasaki has put the total of votes needed to lynch a player to 4.
There are 6 players left. If there were 3 mafiosi left there is no way we would be able to lynch a mafioso.
They would have blocked the last vote and needed only to persuade another townie to lynch an innocent.
Since the game is still running I believe there are only 2 left.

[edit]:
This also means that at least 1 mafioso got killed last round. We lynched Orb and Ichigo and Pever suicided. Would a mafioso suicide? The round before we had 3 kills.

The Stranger

06-04-2007, 22:16

How do i know whether i have a role... i just recieved the PM i started with 10... got +2 for a duel... the rest is from training... do the math...

I dont know whether townies have a limit of 10... if so... i have a special role... didnt care to read it entirely... but i thought the first range was from 1-10 and you could train higher...

The Stranger

06-04-2007, 22:19

btw you were correct... i couldnt train in round 4 cuz lack of money and absence... after round five i didnt care to train becuz you said i was low... and because i was short on time

i dont know what my score is now but its between 21-25...

doc_bean

06-05-2007, 00:13

I am not avenged yet ?

Perhaps I should get involved again...

Faust|

06-05-2007, 04:06

[edit]:
This also means that at least 1 mafioso got killed last round. We lynched Orb and Ichigo and Pever suicided. Would a mafioso suicide? The round before we had 3 kills.

Yes, I do agree in that I think we've lynched at least two mafia. But I believe the round before one of the kills could have been a vigilante kill, is this correct?

Something did strike me earlier, and now you've presented information that verifies my suspicion:

Sigurd, did you find me suspicious for placing my vote for TB instead of Orb? Yet you were not suspicious of Orb at that time, is that right? This is inconsistent.

If that's not why you were suspicious of me, then what's your explanation?

Sigurd

06-05-2007, 06:11

Yes, I do agree in that I think we've lynched at least two mafia. But I believe the round before one of the kills could have been a vigilante kill, is this correct?

Something did strike me earlier, and now you've presented information that verifies my suspicion:

Sigurd, did you find me suspicious for placing my vote for TB instead of Orb? Yet you were not suspicious of Orb at that time, is that right? This is inconsistent.

If that's not why you were suspicious of me, then what's your explanation?
That you placed a vote on Orb was not suspicious at all. He was the lynch candidate for that round and we merely had to agree or not.
Sometimes the mafia just have to let go of one of their own, like I did when Orb was caught in Gotta have more mafia.
No, what caught my attention was that you challenged another player when you already had a challenge against you. It was as if you wanted to increase the chances of not fighting that first duel.
As a townie you shouldn't have cared, like Kommodus.

seireikhaan

06-05-2007, 07:49

First of all, Sigurd: Could you please explain your rather odd defense of Orb, beginning with switching your vote at the last second? Certainly it is usually reasonable to try and promote discussion. However, that round had already lasted for four days, and all you did was extend it to nearly a week. Looking at things right now, I don't see how Orb was innocent. He never was able to explain what he was doing at night, yet he had an incredibly high kung fu score. Yes, I'm sure that there were townspeople with high kung fu scores.

However, its clear to me that CR was supposed to be the kung fu master of sorts for our temple. Obviously I can't confirm that, but its my suspicion. The main thing is his name. Lao Zhi. Does that ring a bell with anyone else? IIRC, Lao Tzi was the man who founded Daoism, meaning he would have been a leader of a group of monks to spread it. Therefore, he was the MASTER of that philosophy, of that group of monks, in a sense. See the connection?

But going back to the issue at hand: It seems clear that Orb was mafia, yet you seemed to be hellbent on saving him. Yes, the statement Sasaki made does work in his favor, but he's got mountains of evidence against him. Why so bent on saving him? We'd already discussed it for four days, what more was there to gain from it? Nothing. On top of all this, there was that ridiculous suicide squad he managed to pull together. As Faust stated, Orb ultimately did NOT commit suicide, effectively bringing two more townies down with him. I can't imagine a mafioso would suicide, especially at this point in the game. Lastly, the kills went down to 2 last round. At this point, I'd imagine that the mafia would probably be trying to speed kill throught this as fast as possible. It seems absurd that they would pass up another kill just to try to mess with us when they could have probably clinched it or nearly clinched it instead.

Sigurd

06-05-2007, 15:02

First of all, Sigurd: Could you please explain your rather odd defense of Orb, beginning with switching your vote at the last second?
Well as I have said before I wasn't quite convinced we were lynching the right player. He seemed resigned and didn't put up much of a defence ala "What are you doing stupid townies, I am innocent!!!"
I just felt at that moment we were lynching the wrong guy, besides we needed him for the blocking of pontentially 4 mafiosi. The Mafia is still playing the card: we have weak Kung Fu, therefore we will only kill with Kung Fu if the target is confirmed weak.

But going back to the issue at hand: It seems clear that Orb was mafia, yet you seemed to be hellbent on saving him. Yes, the statement Sasaki made does work in his favor, but he's got mountains of evidence against him. Why so bent on saving him? We'd already discussed it for four days, what more was there to gain from it? Nothing. On top of all this, there was that ridiculous suicide squad he managed to pull together. As Faust stated, Orb ultimately did NOT commit suicide, effectively bringing two more townies down with him. I can't imagine a mafioso would suicide, especially at this point in the game. Lastly, the kills went down to 2 last round. At this point, I'd imagine that the mafia would probably be trying to speed kill throught this as fast as possible. It seems absurd that they would pass up another kill just to try to mess with us when they could have probably clinched it or nearly clinched it instead.
All good points, but I don't think the town suffered too much by those suicides. They were both high on my list of suspects.
What can we do now... that is what we must ask us. We know there are two mafiosi left (2 kills last night and no vigilante has come forth). We are six players left. Two of us are not participating and that means we can't lynch a mafioso.
We need all players left active. Unless Byz is a sleeping mafioso (has not been to the org since 23rd of May) a mafia can't be luynched. I am sure Xdeath is lurking and will place the last vote when the opertunity presents itself. If he is a Mafioso, that is.

The mafia is either:

greaterkhaan and Faust|
greaterkhaan and Xdeath
greaterkhaan and ByzK
Faust| and Xdeath
Faust| and ByzK
Xdeath and ByzK

I know I am innocent and have sworn like CR... I am sorry I used such an powerful oath and will not do so again.

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 15:26

I know who the vigilante is that killed Pann...

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 15:32

I know who the vigilante is that killed Pann...
Why don't you spill the details then?

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 15:38

But i dont think it will help a lil bit...

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 15:42

But i dont think it will help a lil bit...
Why don't you give us the details and let us judge? You have that privilege that those of us who are dead do not - the ability to talk about private conversations. Tell us the details, and how you knew of them.

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 15:53

I know of a special role that has to ability to gain money fast... so he could buy a crossbow+1 bolt to do the kill...

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 16:04

I know of a special role that has to ability to gain money fast... so he could buy a crossbow+1 bolt to do the kill...
If there's such a special role, why don't you give the details, state who it is, how you got to know of it, and why he chose to kill me? If it weren't so late in the game, I'd be inclined to invoke the lynch all liars rule.

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 16:08

why do you think i lie... and why the agressive undertone, it will get you no where. You were killed because you were suspected to be mafia... Because your name theorie wasnt correct...

Stig

06-05-2007, 16:19

Stop playing and give the name TS

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 16:27

and the name is: :balloon:

well be back after the commercials

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-05-2007, 17:17

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 17:22

oh no... he's dutch alright... but not DG...

anyways... presure voting wont do... one vote of a townie on me and all mafia leftovers will finish me... it needs 2 townie votes when 2 mafia are left ofocurse...

anyways... the special role is called Bookie

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 17:28

It's not Dutch_guy by any chance - the balloon kind of hints at that being the case?

If The Stranger refuses to reveal this information, while he still can, then I recommend that you guys begin pressure voting.
Couldn't have been DG, as he was murdered on the first night. I suspect it's TS being his typically unhelpful townie, BSing as always. If he's telling the truth about the special role, only he and whoever he was referring to knows.

My recommendation for the town: lynch Sigurd and Xdeathfire, in whatever order.

Orb

06-05-2007, 17:31

not that it's going to help, but

'I know I am innocent and have sworn like CR... I am sorry I used such an powerful oath and will not do so again.'

Isn't really an acceptable defence. Still, you don't seem guilty to me.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-05-2007, 17:33

anyways... the special role is called BookieI'm not entirely sure if that would be something that Sasaki would choose to name a role set in a Kung Fu temple - would they really have bookmakers and gambling in a place of the teaching or martial arts. Economist, perhaps, but "Bookie" seems a little over the top. The Stranger, please may I request the reveal who this person is, if they exist - for the benefit of the entire town so that lynching them is avoided?

BTW, please note that sending me the information in PM would be rule breaking.

Couldn't have been DG, as he was murdered on the first night. I suspect it's TS being his typically unhelpful townie, BSing as always. If he's telling the truth about the special role, only he and whoever he was referring to knows.
Can I just ask here, what is TS's motives for doing this - why would he want to claim that a role exists that may not? I'm not too wise to mafia tactics, yet, is this one?

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 17:41

I'm not entirely sure if that would be something that Sasaki would choose to name a role set in a Kung Fu temple - would they really have bookmakers and gambling in a place of the teaching or martial arts. Economist, perhaps, but "Bookie" seems a little over the top. The Stranger, please may I request the reveal who this person is, if they exist - for the benefit of the entire town?

BTW, please note that sending me the information in PM would be rule breaking.
As we said in our reveals, Sasaki paid some attention to set our roles in the context of the game setting. Even the limits of our roles had to be explained in that context, and that context was one of the secrets that I tested you by early in the game, that I was prepared to be die to keep secret. Now The Stranger suggests a role that would be utterly incongruous in this setting, completely at odds with Sasaki's previous form in this game. I suspect either TS is lying, or whoever revealed his Bookie role to him is lying. If the latter, then whoever claimed to be a "Bookie" is almost certainly mafia.

Therefore I ask TS to reveal who this "Bookie" is.

Can I just ask here, what is TS's motives for doing this - why would he want to claim that a role exists that may not? I'm not too wise to mafia tactics, yet, is this one?
Your guess is as good as mine. Remember his "I'm the Don" stunt in Capo?

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 17:43

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 17:49

Well the role is bookie...

he can gamble on one challenge each day... if he wins he gains double of his input... if he looses he looses his input... he won a few times got enough money for the bolt and killed pann...
There's no way that Sasaki would have such a role in this game. Whoever claimed to be a Bookie is lying to get you on his side. If you continue covering up for him, you'll be aiding the scum in their work. So let us know who he is.

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 17:50

xdeath...

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 17:54

xdeath...
Just confirms my suspicions of him. As I said earlier, lynch Sigurd and Xdeathfire, in whatever order you want. With The Stranger's reveal, I'm inclined to lean towards XD for lying about a role.

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 18:02

im not sure whether hes mafia... why do you think so besides the role...

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 18:08

im not sure whether hes mafia... why do you think so besides the role...
Inventing a role to cover for scum activity would have been incriminating enough, I would have thought. If there's anything else, I'll talk about it when the game's over.

Lynch Xdeathfire, people!

Stig

06-05-2007, 18:12

oh no... he's dutch alright... but not DG...
And now it's Xdeathfire, since when did he became Dutch?

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 18:14

i am talking of myself ofcourse... ~:dizzy:

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-05-2007, 18:44

Remember his "I'm the Don" stunt in Capo?I actually found that stunt quite entertain - all added to the flare of the game. Of course it was obvious that he was not telling the truth, no wise mafia member shouts "I am mafia" from the rooftops.

I do now feel, that TS is attention seeking for some reason - this could be a clever way to detract from suspicions from Sigurd/Xdeathfire - possibly his mafia buddies. Can I just ask TS why you are revealing this information to us? "The Bookie" role, should it exist, is not very useful to the town - it may make good money, but only the player will gain the money to spend it upon whatever they choose - so far that useage, buying a crossbow to kill an individual that was considered to be innocent by most players, was not exactly the best use for the gold gained.

I suggest that you guys ignore TS and focus on Sigurd/Xdeathfire for now. If victory has not occurred once Sigurd and Xdeathfire are removed, then you guys should focus on TS.

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 19:29

im not mafia... i was aproached by XD he explained me the rules... i believed him, dunno why... i have no real xp and neither did i have any thorough contact with anyone in the game... abnd the extra money lured... so i bet $10

but since ichigo suicided... or got lynched dunno my challenge wasnt picked and my money wasted... but now you say... i might have been framed and just gave him my$10

Dutch_guy

06-05-2007, 19:45

no wise mafia member shouts "I am mafia" from the rooftops.

Hmm, I'm not sure that is even allowed...

:balloon2:

Orb

06-05-2007, 20:20

Breah? Bliagh?!

Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker
Brouhaha, boulderdash, ballyhoo
Its only talk

I somehow think he's just casting aspersions and making things harder for the town.

The Stranger

06-05-2007, 20:22

im not... and i want my $10 back...

Pannonian

06-05-2007, 20:30

Here's the tally so far.

Not voted (6): Faust, Xdeathfire, Greaterkhaan, ByzantineKnight, Sigurd, The Stranger

You read that right. So pick one of Sigurd or Xdeathfire, and start voting. I suggest XD.

Sigurd

06-05-2007, 21:01

Wait a minute there The Stranger...

Are you saying you bought a crossbow from the money you won or did Xdeath buy a crossbow and killed Pann?
Are you the bookie or is Xdeath the bookie?

Give us straight answers... there is no room for fooling around now. This is the time to reveal everything, because if we fail to lynch a mafioso this round we loose.

Everyone agrees?
Besides we need 4 votes to lynch. At least one of the active players is mafia and that means he will never vote for a mafioso.

the tally is:

Sigurd 1 (greaterkhaan)

no vote 5 (ByzK, Faust, Sigurd, The Stranger, Xdeath)

no challenges

seireikhaan

06-06-2007, 01:29

Well, this certainly is odd. TS, are you saying that you bet 10 on a fight, which you gave to XD? Honestly, no offense or anything, but how did you fall for that? What kind of temple has a booky? I have trouble believing you right now, TS. I want to hear from Xdeath before making any decisions here. However, if you're actually telling the truth, then we need to lynch XD. An innocent townsperson would have no motive to come up with a role.

Crazed Rabbit

06-06-2007, 03:08

Xdeath seems like the best choice.

For right now, I am inclined to believe Sigurd.

CR

sapi

06-06-2007, 08:38

Lynch xdeath, or we're all doomed :o

Stig

06-06-2007, 08:52

Go for Sigurd, please

Don't trust CR, he has been lynched, and there are enough reasons to believe he is mafia.

Sigurd

06-06-2007, 08:53

The Stranger!!!! :whip:

Some real answers are needed. Tell the full story.

until this is cleared, vote: Xdeath

We would really like to hear you side of the story as well.

[edit]:
tally:
Sigurd 1 (greaterkhaan)
Xdeath 1 (Sigurd)

no vote 4 (ByzK, Faust, The Stranger, Xdeath)

no challenges

Csargo

06-06-2007, 10:56

Let's see if you all can lynch the right two people. I'll be watching.

Sigurd

06-06-2007, 13:16

Let's see if you all can lynch the right two people. I'll be watching.
Yeah, unless ByzK gets into this game again we won't be able to lynch a mafia. I am of course suggesting here that he is occupied, innocent and can't participate.

There should be a new rule implemented. Activity is mandatory for Mafiosi.
To use inactivity as a strategy is lame.

Kommodus

06-06-2007, 14:42

Why are you guys going for Xdeathfire? He hasn't claimed a role - TS has claimed a role for him. And I don't find TS particularly trustworthy - he may just be up to his usual odd antics, as others have said, but he hasn't done anything that encourages me trust him.

It seems some of you want to lynch Xdeathfire because you think he lied about having the "bookie" role. Yet if you read TS's comments, you'll notice he claims the betting system actually worked; that is, he lost his 10 gold. That would imply the bookie role is real.

Of course, it definitely strikes me as a strange role - why indeed would there be a bookie in a temple? Still, what motive could Xdeathfire possibly have for making up such a role, and then communicating it only to TS? Has anyone else been contacted by Xdeathfire asking for bets?

I don't trust TS, and I definitely don't think it's wise to lynch Xdeathfire without hearing from him first. The "evidence" against him is some of the worst I've ever seen.

For the record, I still think Faust is guilty. I don't trust TS, and I'm undecided on others including Sigurd and greaterkhaan.

Sigurd

06-06-2007, 14:55

I don't trust TS, and I definitely don't think it's wise to lynch Xdeathfire without hearing from him first. The "evidence" against him is some of the worst I've ever seen.

There is only one vote on Xdeathfire and that is mine. As I said when I placed my vote for him, I want to hear your story. I shall monitor the development and if he is in peril of being lynched without having been heard, I will unvote.
I am still wanting the full story from The Stranger.:whip:

@Sasaki: What are to be done if Xdeath and ByzK are not showing up?

For the record, I still think Faust is guilty.
Could you give us the specifics? Did you use Holmes?

The Stranger

06-06-2007, 15:50

The dude aproached me and asked me to bet... maybe he just needed the last $10 for the crossbow... Now i must make one thing clear... im not 100% sure he bought a bow and killed Pann... i just figured that he could come up with the money... I never said he was mafia but if the role doesnt exist... he is... im not sure... suite yourself...

Orb

06-06-2007, 15:59

Mafiosi don't actually have to be active. Usually they are...

The Stranger

06-06-2007, 16:02

as reply to? what do you mean to say with that?

Orb

06-06-2007, 16:09

Sorry, got confused. OTOH I don't believe your confused reveal, and while it would normally be stupid for a mafioso, in this situation it looks like it could be a valid attempt to waste a turn and get an auto-win.

The Stranger

06-06-2007, 16:14

exactly what im trying to do... yeah... you got me... lynch me

Faust|

06-06-2007, 16:55

The Stranger

06-06-2007, 17:07

round 126

TevashSzat

06-07-2007, 02:37

The Stranger is blatantly lying right now. I have never talked to him in pm or anything like that in fact, i think he was taking advantage of my long absences from the forum to try to get me lynched before I could respond.

Vote: The Stranger

He is definately mafia as I could not see how someone else who is innocent could be trying to do such a thing.

Sigurd 1 (greaterkhaan)
Xdeath 1 (Sigurd)
The Stranger 1 (Xdeathfire)

no vote 4 (ByzK, Faust, The Stranger)

Finally, I think all of you are European or something like that since none of you are on right now, but I am GMT -5:00 and don't get on until 9-10pm ish my time.

The Stranger

06-07-2007, 06:46

X you are lying yourself...

Btw i came up with a plan. While we were so busy lynching we forgot to challenge, ill take advantage of that.

Every PERSON (including me and Sigurd, read further to understand) will post their style and kungfu score.

Sigurd and I are supposed to be the highest kungfu masters in town, so anyone higher is suspicious at least. Ofcourse mafia will lie to avoid being caught by their absurd high mafia score, but time will tell. I thought everyone here before has duelled so lying about your style is ruled out...

When everyone has posted their stats we will chose a challenge, that leaves to persons that are candidates for lynch. The first thing to do is to find out who is definitly INNOCENT and then lynch the other on.

Now i know this plan isnt waterproof but ill try to refute a few arguments...
1. The chance that Sigurd and I fight a mafia is increased, so even if we lynch a townie accidently we probably have K.O.d a mafia, giving us one more round to figure out who the mafia was that was injured in the fight.
2. The chance exists we fight someone and his stats didnt match with what he gave up, he is most definitly MAFIA.
3. Ofcourse also either sigurd or me or we both could be mafia, and you would then al be screwed... Therefor, this plan isnt waterproof. Im not going to say im not mafia, because thats not for me to decide, however i am innocent... Im not sure about sigurd...

Anyways, therefor we must entirely sure we lynch a mafia this round, this plan is only to catch the second one faster...

I'll start: Praying mantis (im not entirely sure what my score is, so save or add 2) SCORE: 23

if you dont add your score, you are suspicious atleast... but right now... everyone is...

Csargo

06-07-2007, 07:13

should probably state your starting score too.

Sigurd

06-07-2007, 07:15

I think we have the lynch candidates for this round.
Either The Stranger lies and is a mafioso or Xdeath lies and is a mafioso.

If ByzK is a mafioso too, we should be able to lynch the mafioso of the two above. If he is innocent there will be no mafioso lynch this round.

A replacement perhaps?

Csargo

06-07-2007, 07:17

You should never rule out the fact that they are both mafia. Just a thought.

The Stranger

06-07-2007, 07:38

my starting was 10...

come on... other people post your stats

The Stranger

06-07-2007, 07:39

what about, Sigurd lies and is Mafioso... i dont see you posting your stats mister...

Csargo

06-07-2007, 07:44

Lynch Sigurd.

The Stranger

06-07-2007, 07:50

why...

Csargo

06-07-2007, 08:32

why...

what about, Sigurd lies and is Mafioso... i dont see you posting your stats mister...

Seriously.

sapi

06-07-2007, 08:38

And we are seriously considering trusting TS?

We've let him off for his lurking and randomness long enough - he has to go now.

Sigurd

06-07-2007, 08:54

And we are seriously considering trusting TS?

We've let him off for his lurking and randomness long enough - he has to go now.
Yes I am inclined to do so...

Why come up with this "lie" now in the end? Was it because things were slow and he figured out he would speed things up a little.
He did say that the bookie was dutch, but when Pann made it quite clear that such a role was absurd and the one cooking it up should be promptly lynched, The Stranger named Xdeath as the source.
There was also the claim of a vigilante in there...

I don't know, The Stranger.. your reasons of having a high Kung Fu checked out, but that could be because you needed the alibi. One of your claims was that you were away for 5 days... another claim further back says 2.5 days.
I bet that your high score comes from killing using Kung Fu. That one of the strategies of the mafia was to pretend that they were weak. Orb is looking more like a mafioso now then before.

Now who is the last culprit?
Faust| ?
Greaterkhaan ?

I think my Kung Fu score shall remain hidden a while longer.

Csargo

06-07-2007, 08:58

Sasaki the lynch should be lowered to three votes.

Sigurd

06-07-2007, 14:39

I have been reading the back-posts of this thread (got to page 28).
Daring Mafiosi usually "Blurt" things that will not be caught in the preliminary game but make them fall at a later time. This is how we got Reinkmaister in Ichigo's first game as host.

These are some of the posts The Stranger made (in chronological order)

TS' post # 307 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1528308&postcount=307) (He says he is mafia)
TS' post # 311 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1528639&postcount=331) (He claims he knows the roles)
Pann's post # 404 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1530217&postcount=404) (Pann receives a strange pm from TS)
TS' post # 536 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1532188&postcount=536) (He puts the condemning vote on BlackAxe)
TS' post # 579 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1533324&postcount=579) (He mention his secret role ... again)
ByzantineKnight made a few posts here and there but nothing that came over as blurting. He made however this post and I believe it correlates with Kommodus’ claim that ByzK pm’ed him something alike

ByzK's post # 387 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1529968&postcount=387) (He claims he knows the mafia and their plans)
Then at one point The Stranger gets the attention he wanted. He was nearly on the verge of being lynched. Both Orb and Faust had votes on him but when another lynch candidate also received 4 votes (5 to lynch), Orb made the switch from TS to doc.
With the recent events… the Orb vs. The Stranger friendly quarrels through this entire game, it is funny how Orb chose to lynch doc_bean. Then you have the 3 kill night where we all questioned whether we had a vigilante amongst us. We reached the conclusion that it was the mafia making the three kills. Then we lynch Orb and the votes required to lynch is reduced to 4, making it nearly absolutely certain that we are down to 2 Mafiosi.
Then The Stranger makes some vague claims about knowing how a townie got enough money to buy a crossbow and killed Pannonian. The bookie comes up… apparently a Dutchman. Then Pann gets involved and suddenly we are talking about a single 10 gold bet. How is that going to generate the 80 gold necessary to buy a crossbow? In a desperate attempt to clear guild, Xdeath is named as the bookie that has scammed money from other players enough to buy a crossbow. Now we know of only 10 gold… again not enough to buy the 80 gold crossbow.
If Orb was a Mafioso then The Stranger is one too.

Unvote, vote: The Stranger

Challenge: Xdeathfire

tally:
Sigurd 1 (greaterkhaan)
The Stranger 2 (Xdeathfire, Sigurd)
no vote 4 (ByzK, Faust, The Stranger)

Sigurd challenges Xdeathfire

Stig

06-07-2007, 15:03

And so the mafia come into action

Sigurd

06-07-2007, 15:11

And so the mafia come into action
You will be dissapointed when this game finally finishes

The Stranger

06-07-2007, 16:24

Sigurd, i was indeed away for 5 days... i went to a wedding in france... but before i went i asked sasaki to either remove me from the game or let me train during the nightphase... well when i returned i trained in the nightphase and the dayphase was still going on... as you know dayphases take long in this game... when you check you might see that my absense covers 1 night and 1 dayphase entirely... so while my absense of 5 days was long it didnt affect much... i was just astonished i was still alive after 5 days... then i looked back and noticed not much had happened.

for the 2,5 days i was at home but i wasnt on for those days... when i returned the votingphase had finished and i didnt vote...

im not mafia, but i am an unuseful townie, but still useful in the challenge way and for voting... lynch me and you pretty much loose the game

HOWEVER YOU SIGURD, claim you have a high score but you deny to give us the exact score so we could check whether this could be correct, ofcourse you are smart enough to give a proper false score but ive asked you 3 times now and youve still refused to give us your score... why?

I also ask the others to please give their score... everyone that doesnt without good reason is very suspicious...

g... that gets me nowhere does it...

oh would i be mafia pretending to be weak... would i claim a high score?

The Stranger

06-07-2007, 16:28

btw you got post 404 wrong... it was no weird pm... i just said that Pann didnt had the role he claimed but he was covering up for Omanes, it was the tactic sasaki, moros and i used in CDTC, i was pretty close... or maybe even im right... we wont know...

Orb

06-07-2007, 16:52

Sigurd, I don't see where you get the 'two mafiosi' thing from. While we would have lost/be unable to win, Sasaki has announced that the game will continue until every townie is dead.

Sigurd

06-07-2007, 18:26

Sigurd, I don't see where you get the 'two mafiosi' thing from. While we would have lost/be unable to win, Sasaki has announced that the game will continue until every townie is dead.
There is absolutely no point in continuing a game where there are 3 townies and 3 mafia.
Even though we could block them by winning the duels we would never be able to lynch them. They would always vote for the innocent and we would be one short of lynching a mafia. In effect the game is over.

Faust|

06-07-2007, 18:42

I don't think giving KF scores will do much good (in fact it could be harmful). We can tell the order based on the duels already:

Sigurd
TS
GK and X
Faust
BZK

*There's a possibility GK and/or X could be higher, but I'm confident they are at least higher than me and BZK.

The Stranger

06-07-2007, 18:57

Orb

06-07-2007, 19:20

Interesting Kung Fu killed for the entire game theorem. Which rounds did they Kung Fu kill in?

The Stranger

06-07-2007, 19:56

do i know... im too lazy and my pc is to slow to sort tru 48 pages... it takes me 15 minutes to load the org up... what u expect... i thought they did that becuz everybody was talking about it...

Faust|

06-07-2007, 23:38

i dont believe im second highest, mafia would be higher, they kungfu killed almost the entire game. So that would either mean Sigurd and I am mafia or your list isnt correct... it means, your list is not correct...

Please explain why telling scores would be harmful... i dont see why... Its a good way to find out who's mafia...

The town will gain no information because the mafia will lie, and the mafia will gain information on the scores of the town. It's better to analyze the duels to get a grasp of player's scores. I think my list is pretty much correct, although there is a little uncertainty. I can say with 99% confidence that this part of the list is correct:

Sigurd
TS
Faust
BZK

GK and X are most likely higher than me, but probably not higher than Sigurd.

TevashSzat

06-08-2007, 01:07

Omg people, the bookie role that The Stranger has made up is clearly not possible given the impossibility of having bookies in ancient China. I suppose to you guys its my word against his. In case any of you guys wanted to know, I bought an antidote about 1 or 2 turns back and think I only have 10 gold atm. Will be willing to transfer it to anyone if Sasaki allows it. I don't think even this blatantly false role The Stranger has made will allow me to get both an antidote and the crossbow stuff

Sigurd

06-08-2007, 14:10

Well, are we going to lynch someone this round?
...
I guess we need some help from the deadies here... come on town, are we betting on the right horse here ?
Can any of you see a reason for not voting The Stranger ?

I am voting The Stranger because of his fumbling claim and the posts I have listed in my voting post.
I am also challenging Xdeath to cover both bases.
If The Stranger is telling the truth then Xdeath is mafia.

But there is still one more out there.
If we should place any trust on Kommodus our famous mafia hunter, Faust| is mafia.
greaterkhaan are your Kung Fu score sufficient to block Faust|?

The Stranger

06-08-2007, 14:30

you talk alot to distract attention from yourself... you entirely forget... maybe... YOU ARE MAFIA...

vote: sigurd

and challenge faust

But there is still one more out there.
If we should place any trust on Kommodus our famous mafia hunter, Faust| is mafia.
greaterkhaan are your Kung Fu score sufficient to block Faust|?

Sigurd

06-08-2007, 14:37

you talk alot to distract attention from yourself... you entirely forget... maybe... YOU ARE MAFIA...

vote: sigurd

and challenge faust

Why are you not voting XdeathFire? He blatantly called you a liar.
You can call me fafia all you want but the truth is; I am a townie.

[edit]:

tally:
Sigurd 2 (greaterkhaan, The Stranger)
The Stranger 2 (Xdeathfire, Sigurd)
no vote 2 (ByzK, Faust|)

Sigurd challenges Xdeathfire
The Stranger challenges Faust|

The Stranger

06-08-2007, 14:47

you called me liar too...

Csargo

06-08-2007, 15:02

you called me liar too...

So they both call you a liar, but Sigurd calling you a liar is more hurtful than Xdeathfire. We've all learned a valuable lesson here, Norwegian insults are more hurtful than American ones.

The Stranger

06-08-2007, 15:10

i meant to say that its not a real argument...

Spam of Ichigo :P

Csargo

06-08-2007, 15:13

Damn, I was hoping for a snide comment.

Sigurd

06-08-2007, 15:16

i meant to say that its not a real argument...

You are not answering my question...
Besides, I have not called you a liar like Xdeath did. You are attacking me because I believe I caught you act.
Please continue to argue, you are incriminating yourself.

The Stranger

06-08-2007, 15:33

cmon... im not voting you for not believing me... nobody does... ever... im used to it... im voting for you because you never really answer an question and just attack every kinds of people with rather weak arguments...

you are partially voting for me because i was on a holidays... you can check stig's minimafia, in which i even asked sasaki to considder my part in this game... i even got removed from stigs game... you dont think i'd give that up to somehow play you in the end of this game...

your arguments against me are just slightly better than... vote for him he spams...

seireikhaan

06-08-2007, 15:57

Alright, this is absurd. I'm still not convinced of Sigurd's innocence, but TS is pretty clearly scum. Why invent all this? Why trying to convince everyone to lynch XD? It seems to me that he merely picked XD because XD already had suspicion on him from previous, thus trying to make him an easy lynch.

Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: The Stranger

Sigurd 1(The Stranger)
The Stranger 3 (Xdeathfire, Sigurd, Greaterkhaan)
no vote 2 (ByzK, Faust|)

Sigurd challenges Xdeathfire
The Stranger challenges Faust|

Crazed Rabbit

06-08-2007, 15:59

Is it three votes to lynch? The Stranger seems like a really good lynch choice.

Crazed Rabbit

Sasaki Kojiro

06-08-2007, 17:03

Hello,

A majority is required for lynch, i.e. 4 votes.

Tran

06-08-2007, 17:19

6 people left - 4 votes = No doubt there are 2 mafia left...

Csargo

06-08-2007, 17:42

Hello,

A majority is required for lynch, i.e. 4 votes.

Insanity.

Kommodus

06-08-2007, 18:26

Sigurd

06-08-2007, 19:21

Sigurd or greaterkhaan should quickly challenge Faust. I believe Faust will soon show up and place the lynch vote on TS.

TS is a strange character. I do not find his claims about Xdeathfire to be plausible, yet I don't understand his motives for making such claims. It doesn't sound like something a mafioso would do - why bother when Sigurd would've made the best lynch target for this round?

Hmmm... The Stranger seems to have let go of his claims and swithced his attention back to me as he should have this round. Maybe his mafia buddies have reprimanded him?

unchallenge, challenge: Faust|

tally:
Sigurd 1 (The Stranger)
The Stranger 3 (Xdeathfire, Sigurd, Greaterkhaan)
no vote 2 (ByzK, Faust|)

Sigurd challenges Faust|
The Stranger challenges Faust|

Sigurd

06-08-2007, 19:25

I sent an e-mail to ByzK asking about his absence.
Apparently he is only allowed to check his e-mail by his father.
Heh, I think he is in some sort of trouble. :whip:

maybe Sasaki should send him an e-mail asking for a vote?

Csargo

06-08-2007, 19:31

Faust|

06-09-2007, 04:51

Ok, it seems there is a great likelihood that either TS or X is mafia. TS's move is indeed strange. The only possible motivation that makes sense would be that he was trying to protect Sigurd from the lynch. It could be something else, however, it's hard to tell. Anyway, it's at least a 50/50 shot and at this point I am more inclined to believe X just based on his tone and story and the fact that "bookie" would be a strange role; not clearly pro-town nor mafia.

Vote: The Stranger

Sigurd 1 (The Stranger)
The Stranger 4 (Xdeathfire, Sigurd, Greaterkhaan, Faust)
no vote 1 (ByzK)

Sigurd challenges Faust|
The Stranger challenges Faust|

PS. Guessing I may be killed tonight

Sigurd

06-09-2007, 10:18

The only possible motivation that makes sense would be that he was trying to protect Sigurd from the lynch.

This just doesn't sound right...
Why would he do something like that and then get lynched promptly by the one he tried to save?

I am just worried that the mafia was greaterkhaan and Xdeath all along.

Now let's get this baby moving, shall we?

The Stranger

06-09-2007, 12:23

TevashSzat

06-09-2007, 13:36

Good, The Stranger is lynched now and I assure you guys that I am townie. BTW, I live in America but is Chinese so thats a Chinese insult

Crazed Rabbit

06-09-2007, 16:43

heheheh... you lost yourselves the game =D

people are wondering why i made up the role... well there is only one real reason... FUN... i was just looking for a bit of fun and a lil bit of laughing...

So you're saying that if you really are a townie this game, we should just lynch you first thing in all other mafia games so you can't screw the town over on a whim? Sounds good to me.

Crazed Rabbit

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-09-2007, 17:21

The Stranger - please can you avoid this sort of supposed "enjoyment" in the future - it has the problematic capacity to ruin the enjoyment of the game for others playing unless it is an intelligent and tactical strategy to save yourself or save another more important individual on your own team. Also, as you understand, at critical points such as this, false role claiming with no reason other than for the sheer pleasure that you gain from it, could result in a terrible and traumatic defeat for the honourable town. Thanks!

Now we just have to hope that there is only one mafioso remaining to gain a chance of victory - although even then victory is not guaranteed. I'll be very interested to see the final write up, that is, if and when it comes, and find out if the suspects really were mafiosos or simple innocent monks.

Kommodus

06-09-2007, 18:51

heheheh... you lost yourselves the game =D

people are wondering why i made up the role... well there is only one real reason... FUN... i was just looking for a bit of fun and a lil bit of laughing...

I think you mean YOU just lost the game for the town. Congtratulations. :rtwno:

Others have given ample reasons why your behavior isn't welcome. Don't worry, I'm not angry - it really is just a game. But even in a game, you should make an effort to play in a sportsmanlike manner, so that everyone can have fun, not just you. This time I think you've acted in bad faith.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-09-2007, 21:09

I'm not too sure if this would work, but could somebody remove their vote from The Stranger. I'm not too sure about the rules in this respect, yet the host is yet to arrive to write/confirm the lynch. Perhaps the removal of the vote may result in The Stranger, possibly townie, surviving another day.

Crazed Rabbit

06-09-2007, 21:15

*Glares at Omanes*

Don't you know yet that you it doesn't matter after the required number of votes has been reached? That you can't remove votes? That the person is forever dead?!

sheesh.

Crazed Rabbit

The Stranger

06-10-2007, 07:47

Don't come to me with all the nonsens that i lost the town this game... Bad lynches were made before... Dont come tell me all the crap that i ruined this game because im not the one that signed up to not post later and than get WoG'd and also im not the one that suicided oke...

If you townies were so smart as you claim to be you might have noticed that me being mafia must mean that ByzK is also mafia because he is the only one that didnt vote for me... and the reason for that is because he wasnt on at all... so you just got played by sigurd, and he wouldve played you anyway so we just wouldve lynched another townie instead or me with other motives, because sigurd was trying to blame me for certain things already before i posted the fake role...

but if it makes people happy, i will never do stupid, fun things in mafia games again...

Stig

06-10-2007, 08:37

You miss the fact that two who voted for you were mafia themselves

The Stranger

06-10-2007, 19:39

i didnt missed that part...

Sasaki Kojiro

06-11-2007, 01:40

not much time now.

The Stranger has been lynched

sigurd has defeated Faust| in a duel.

Sigurd

06-11-2007, 11:42

not much time now.

The Stranger has been lynched

sigurd has defeated Faust| in a duel.

I hope you will set off some time writing the game summary.
There are lots of things I want to know.
preferably with a round to round detailed explanation.

Some goes to the Mafia... we want to know everything!!!

sapi

06-11-2007, 11:51

Agreed :yes:

Sasaki Kojiro

06-11-2007, 15:13

BK emerged from the small trap door that he'd been hiding himself in for the past week. He'd gone into hiding out of fear that he might be killed. However, he had run out of supplies and needed to obtain more before he went back into hiding. There was a small market in town a few miles away from the temple where he obtained his supplies. He left just as the sunset, hoping to avoid the killers. However, upon leaving the temple grounds, he heard a voice call out to him.

"BK, where have you been all this time? You abandoned us instead of supporting us in our time of need. Why?"

BK turned around and found the source of the voice. A fellow monk had apparently spotted him leaving the temple. He was adorned in fine black robes, with a hood pulled over his hood, masking his face from view.

"Why my fellow monk, I just was going to the market to pick up supplies," he said, ignoring the monk's question. He slowly began to walk backwards to distance himself from the strange monk.

"BK, you've been hiding, haven't you!" the monk accused while stalking forwards. "I assure you not," BK responded. "You lie!" the monk further accused. "Its time to prevent further treachery!" the monk announced before pouncing forwards.

BK attempted to defend himself from the monk, but was rusty from his time in hiding. The monk was lightning fast, delivering a series of blows to BK's midsection. BK staggered, suffering from the effects of having the wind knocked out of him. The monk leaped and landed a roundhouse kick to BK's face, knocking him on his back. The monk bounded forward and pinned him to the ground. The monk took BK's head in his hands, and with one clean snap, ended his life.

Sigurd and Xdeathfire have been killed as well, leaving Faust| and greaterkhaan as the remaining mafiosos making this game a Mafia Victory!

further writeup will come later. TS is banned from my games in the future.

Csargo

06-11-2007, 15:25

And hilarity ensues

Stig

06-11-2007, 15:25

Well I got Faust correctly
And Sigurd seemed to be working with him

Pannonian

06-11-2007, 16:20

Greaterkhaan went almost completely free of my attention - well done!

FWIW, by the end there were 3 players whom I hadn't seen doing any kind of training, any night: Sigurd, Xdeathfire and greaterkhaan. However, since greaterkhaan had been part of the protection circle Byzantineknight was in, I gave him greater leeway on my suspicions than normal. Indeed, I gave him all the remaining info I had, and was slightly puzzled when he didn't publicise it. Unfortunately Byzantineknight wasn't around to sound his opinions on gk.

Faust I had sort of fingered after Warluster's lynch, but the lack of info on Sigurd and XD made me scream Mafia at them, especially as gk didn't seem inclined to voice my suspicions about XD. But that's just not good enough, unfortunately.

So can the relevant participants reveal their roles now? I was the training grounds watcher, able to see 50% of the activity in the training grounds on any night I was alive, and the styles of those training. What was Rabbit?

Sasaki Kojiro

06-11-2007, 16:36

Faust-mafia
greaterkhaan-mafia
Orb-mafia
Warmaster Horus-mafia

Crazed Rabbit-kung fu master. undefeatable in combat, can train people at night.

pannonian/kagemusha-training grounds watcher
doc_bean/omanes-store watcher

I thought the watchers would be an interesting alternative to a cop type role. Not sure I got the balance quite right there.

Dutch_guy

06-11-2007, 17:08

Damn you mafia scum for killing me on the first night, remind me to do the same once I get picked as a mafioso. And yes, I will find a way to get you all killed night one !

PS: what did TS do to get banned from your games Sasaki, which rule did he break ?

:balloon2:

Stig

06-11-2007, 17:22

I guess the part where TS ruins the game for the townies ~D

Sigurd

06-11-2007, 17:30

Damn...

I am looking forward to the writeup there guys...

Good job Orb for fooling me during the main part of the game. But in the end my suspicion got the better of me and I was sure that it was a good lynch.
Hadn't it been for The Stranger's fake reveal we might have been able to secure a victory for the town (I would have followed Kommodus' advice of Lynching Faust| instead of The Stranger). All though that might have been difficult considering my status as prime suspect.
Greatherkhaan was one of the suspects, but The Stranger was more suspicious due to his strange behaviour during the game. I was also a little concerned that ByzK was a sleeper. A mafia that appeared inactive.
But after making contact with him it became apparent that he was indeed incapacitated.

Good but looooooong game.

Stig

06-11-2007, 17:39

Pannonian

06-11-2007, 17:54

After the night where we had 3 kills (Omanes, Pann and me) the mafia had more or less won the game.

Which reminds me of a couple of PMs I received after my death.

Dear lord, that was bad. The only good thing is that you're proven innocent, as well as Omanes, but we'll need to work harder to gather votes for Orb. I'm assuming that I need to start voting for Orb this round? Wait any longer and they'll have too much of a lead to stop.

Oops, sorry. I just realized that the dead cannot PM. so you cannot respond to my PM.

Grrrr.

Kommodus

06-11-2007, 18:02

Finally, I'd like to suggest that Faust is guilty and should be lynched. This is based on a review of his posts and statistics.

Anyway, at least there's one good sign - there was only one mafia kill. I still think it was Faust

For the record, I still think Faust is guilty. I don't trust TS, and I'm undecided on others including Sigurd and greaterkhaan.

Sigurd or greaterkhaan should quickly challenge Faust. I believe Faust will soon show up and place the lynch vote on TS.

TS is a strange character. I do not find his claims about Xdeathfire to be plausible, yet I don't understand his motives for making such claims. It doesn't sound like something a mafioso would do - why bother when Sigurd would've made the best lynch target for this round?

~:rolleyes: :no: :laugh4:

Ok, so I never really had time to show up and elaborate enough to make my case convincing, but sheesh... after all this time, ya'd think... ah, never mind.

Good game, mafia! Greaterkhaan, your progress is particularly impressive - I thought you did really well. It would've been interesting to see what would've happened if Faust had been lynched, allowing the game to go to a final round. If it hadn't been for TS's treasonous antics, who knows...? Regardless, all four of you played very well.

Except for WH, I suppose... he got expelled! :laugh4:

Anyway, I meant what I've been saying throughout the game - this summer is not going to be conducive to my participation in mafia games (it certainly hasn't been so far). That really was the reason for my low activity in this game. So, I wish you all the best of luck! Hopefully I'll be able to return... sooner rather than later.

~:wave:

EDIT: Oh yeah, great game Sasaki! Thanks for moderating it! The concept was very good, and you executed it well. During much of the game I felt that the town had opportunities to do more with the powers it had been granted, but I was too busy to take charge of any such efforts. Oh well...

seireikhaan

06-11-2007, 18:15

Hehehehe...

I'M AN EEEEEVIL MAFIOSO! And kudos for Sigurd for being the only one to really try fingering me.:2thumbsup: However, I do have to say: we got quite a laugh from all the times you came to Orb's rescue.

In addition, thank a lot for the compliments, Kommodus. I thought I had done better this game. I do have to say, I did rather enjoy analyzing my own writeups earlier in the game.:beam:

Also, one thing to bear in mind, folks. If I wasn't 100% sure that this was the final round, I would have killed Sigurd rather than BZK. However, I needed one completely, totally sure kill, so I figured since BZK's been 'locked away in the basement', so to speak, he was pretty much a guaranteed kill.

Lastly, for anyone interested: Here's the link to our mafia discussion for the course of the game. In case any are wondering about the title of the discussion, I titled it that just in case anyone tried snooping around trying to find it. I figured it was probably one of the last things anyone would try searching for.

http://www.quicktopic.com/39/H/nMrYZSpXEU9

Pannonian

06-11-2007, 18:21

seireikhaan

06-11-2007, 18:25

Sorry about that.

Feng Shui- Greaterkhaan
Cheng Mui/CM- Faust
Sung Mui/SM- Orb
Chao Fujian/CF- Warmaster Horus

seireikhaan

06-11-2007, 18:32

Well for me it seemed as Orb, Sigurd and Faust were working together. That plus CR with the different name gave me the 4 mafia.
I had two correct, but since Sigurd "worked" with the other two in most votes it's hard to back of from him.
Especially the part where they together voted Warmaster away was strange, and led me to believe that those 3 were mafia.

After the night where we had 3 kills (Omanes, Pann and me) the mafia had more or less won the game.

But I'm wondering, who did the third kill.

We, the mafia, performed all three kills. We bought a crossbow and performed the extra kill, in addition to our regular two kills. Also, Kommodus was killed by me, not a vigelante. We were given leeway to mimic the vigelante weapons in our kills, so I did just that with my kill writeup.

Orb

06-11-2007, 19:03

w3 pwnz0rd!

I should also have listened to my partners when they suggested taking out Pannonian early. I overestimated the town's organisation. Also, GH and Sapi both made the mistake of claiming to be in protection groups. Sorry for the vengeance kill, Redleg, but I really resented being used by the town in CDTC :p

More seriously, I was truly amazed that noone at all picked up on my Doc Bean switch. I expected to be lynched then.

I honestly had no idea that you could train alone at night for most of the game.

Warmaster Horus was communicating with us on the forum. Maybe if he'd posted a little more he wouldn't have been wogged and we'd have been securely in for the end game, with no losses whatsoever.

I always found it amusing

Anyhow, I don't have much of a write-up here, but a vain, egotistical epilogue follows:

In the night, the temple was nearly deserted, Cheng Mui waited by a fire lit on a cold roof. Feng Shui finished picking up the last of the personal possessions of the monks, and collected all the gold into one pile. 'Where are they?'
'Don't worry, Shui, they'll be here.'
'Right on time.'
Feng Shui turned to the path from which the temple was approached. 'Fujian, my friend, how did it go?'
'It wasn't easy, Shui, but I hunted down every last one of the exiles.'
'Why bother?'
'It was fun.'
'Fair enough.'
Cheng Mui turned to greet the ragged figure of Sung Mui. 'You're here, finally. What kept you?'
'Unscalable cliffs are not fun. Remind me to avoid them in future.'
Cheng lifted up the statue of the Buddha, 'Let's get this done.'
The four of them carried the heavy idol to the fire, and carefully put it down.
In the morning, the ashes of the fire lay by a cracked and deformed statue, the once-serene expression had been melted to a formless mess. Sung motioned to the lifeless body of the shopkeeper, 'I'll get the tongs.'
A few minutes later, they prized from the molten gold a jewel. A single flawless gem. Turquoise and ruby, jet and pearl all moulded into one. The gleaming multicoloured stone left the assassins stunned.
'Do you think this is what Daimyo Sasaki wanted?'
'Must be. Let's go.'
The four partners in crime strode out of the temple, looking to all the world like any four ordinary monks.

---
Oh and, that's 4-0 as mafia and a draw as serial killer now.
Thanks to my underworld brethren Greaterkhaan, Faust and Warmaster Horus. Brilliant game, gents!

seireikhaan

06-11-2007, 19:13

Oh and, that's 4-0 as mafia and a draw as serial killer now.
Thanks to my underworld brethren Greaterkhaan, Faust and Warmaster Horus. Brilliant game, gents!

And I am 2-0 as mafia, in a total of 2 games I've played so far. And as Orb said, congratulations to my fellow scum for their efforts in providing this win.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-11-2007, 19:14

I honestly meant my post during the sigurd/orb debate to be a rule clarification. Was surprised when sigurd took it to indicate orbs innocence.

I agree with Kommodus that the town didn't take advantage of their abilities. There were maybe 5 protections the entire game, 2 or 3 people purchased items, and most didn't night train.

The info I gave to pann turned out a bit misleading. There were 2 training grounds watchers, and pann trained at night. I didn't want to tell pann that he had trained, so I always gave that info to the other guy, and alternated from that point. Since the same people trained each night sigurd never showed up as having trained to pann.

Pannonian

06-11-2007, 19:18

Sasaki Kojiro

06-11-2007, 20:32

As it said in the role pm? Half the people who trained at night.

Pannonian

06-11-2007, 21:26

As it said in the role pm? Half the people who trained at night.
I took it to mean either there was a 50% chance of seeing each person training, or you divvying up 50% of the trainees and giving me their names. Your last post suggested that my decision to train on the first 2 nights somehow affected the number of people I saw, and that there may have been 2 groups of people, one of which I'd see training, the other unseen by me whatever they do. So what does "half the people who trained at night" mean?

Sasaki Kojiro

06-11-2007, 21:55

pevergreen
faust
sigurd
orb
pannonian
the stranger

I would tell you "faust, orb, the stranger" and would tell kage "pevergreen sigurd pannonian".

GeneralHankerchief

06-11-2007, 22:56

Haha, game's over, I can come out of haiku mode.

I think it was probably a stupid thing to say out loud that I was in a protection group but at the time I found Ichigo very suspicious and if I didn't explain my reasoning then I would have gotten some pressure put on me.

Then I suspected that there was a mole in our little protection circle (consisting of myself, Kommo, Rabbit, Pann, and HughTower) the night I got whacked but nothing came out of that and Omanes had targeted my radar. I need to get completely immersed in these things again.

Good game, mafia. :bow:

Crazed Rabbit

06-12-2007, 01:56

Well done, GK.

I'm really, really sad I didn't get to use my awesome Kung-Fu powers (my score was 1000):embarassed:

Of course I wasn't surprised the town lost after they lynched me - and only one of the four voters was a mafioso. Lousy townies, lynching their own Kung-fu master!

Oh and, that's 4-0 as mafia and a draw as serial killer now.

Bah! Real serial killers don't settle for draws! If only we had these rules for that game...

Sasaki - only 5 protections? Then I was 20% of the protected and 20% of the protector groups.

Crazed Rabbit

TevashSzat

06-12-2007, 02:10

Bah, we lost and I was sure that TS was mafia too given how wierdly he acted that last round. I think thats why he is banned since he messed it up for us townies.

Faust|

06-12-2007, 02:57

I believe I started to become a suspect after I helped out Orb one too many times (one was too many in this case... :beam: ) at his behest. My range of possible actions and ability to convince was pretty limited after this as Orb's scumminess had rubbed off on me (even my ability to hide was affected, surely). But Orb was sort of the leader by default and we ended up victorious, so no complaints. He did have effective night kill targets it seems. Was fun working with you, fellow mafiosi :beam:

Just want to note that before this game I had one round of mafia experience (GH VI, where I substituted in and then was promptly killed)... I didn't tell my mafia mates this until now for fear that I'd have no weight in the decision making :laugh4:.

Since pretty much none of you knew me I decided to act like an emotional-type player. I had hoped that would make it easier to explain any unhelpful behavior and also give me a broader scope of potential actions. Also I thought it might fit the noob stereotype, drawing less attention to my continued existence throughout the game.

I was surprised noone picked up on the word-play that distinguished my write-ups. I wrote up the decapitation by the fountain (Chugg), the one-armed man picking up sticks (GH), the tree-pinning (Roadkill), the drinking poison by the lake (Pann), and the later decapitation (TB). Out of those, I only actually killed Chugg, Pann, TB myself. GH and Roadkill were killed using Warmaster Horus's character, allowing me to night train.

Also, I actually did intend to cast the lynching vote on Orb before Sasaki announced the tie and extended voting. Wonder if that would have affected my suspiciousness?

Explanation coming.

seireikhaan

06-12-2007, 03:59

But to future mafiosi - don't think that it'll happen twice.

Also, I've got no problems with GH, he currently isn't too active and killing him off could potentially eradicate his influence on the game.

Guess who was right?:laugh4: No offense, GH, I just don't like you helping the townies out when I'm mafia. Although I'll admit it wasn't my idea originally to kill you in this game, that was Faust.

seireikhaan

06-12-2007, 04:12

I'm really, really sad I didn't get to use my awesome Kung-Fu powers (my score was 1000):embarassed:

Hehe, this reminds me of something I said in our mafia thread.

If there's someone with double my kung fu score, I'm scared silly:D

Man, 1000? You were a monster! That's just insane how much better you were than us. Glad we didn't try to kung fu kill you.

pevergreen

06-12-2007, 07:23

what would be the duel write up for someone outclassed by 995 points?

Omanes Alexandrapolites

06-12-2007, 08:32

Great game Sasaki! Thanks for hosting!

Sigurd

06-12-2007, 10:10

w3 pwnz0rd!

--
Oh and, that's 4-0 as mafia and a draw as serial killer now.
Thanks to my underworld brethren Greaterkhaan, Faust and Warmaster Horus. Brilliant game, gents!

The apprentice has taken the mantle of the master...
You did good... My attack on you was a little "how will he respond when being really preassured".
Having been mafia 3 times (3-0.. ok the last time was just a conversion), I know what is at stake. You don't want to loose.
You were cool enough to not claim a role or special ability. That would have made me put the extra effort to get you lynched. My instincts were right though, but I didn't follow it.

Also if you people noticed, to be able to survive you need to be a little suspicious.
I attacked Omanes and Pann to make them appear more suspicious and maybe prolong their stay in the game, long enough to give them a chance to reveal everything they knew.