View Full Version : HOTSEAT - MTW2 Multiplayer Campaign
FactionHeir
09-28-2007, 10:37
follow the link in the first post of the uploader sticky.
At the bottom, there are fields you can upload things into.
Make sure that the turn you uploaded is the one after yours, i.e. press end turn and then save at the transition screen.
Ok! done that...but it didn't give me a link to post here. So, I've had to manufacture my own based upon the previous ones listed, hope it works.
This should be the link to the start of Russia's turn.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1086-6.zip
_Tristan_
09-28-2007, 12:29
Works fine...
[EDIT] Ignoramus : would it be possible to edit your first post due to change of players ?
Maybe post a corrected FH table from page #4 for ease of reference
FactionPlayerSaveEnglandIgnoramusMPCXFranceTristanMPCX-1HREIchigoMPCX-2SpainCecil XIXMPCX-3SicilyFactionHeirMPCX-4ScotlandDidzMPCX-5RussiaBob_the_greatMPCX-6DenmarkpevergreenMPCX-7PolandRamses II CPMPCX-8
FactionHeir
09-28-2007, 13:16
Didz, please do remember to PM the next in line.
I'll play my turn later tonight
Didz, please do remember to PM the next in line.
Oops! Sorry didn't realise we need to do that, (mind you I would have had trouble complying anyway as until your recent post I had no idea who was playing Russia)...in fact I have this thread subscribed so I get an email everytime someone makes a posting anyway.
FactionHeir
09-29-2007, 10:53
Oops! Sorry didn't realise we need to do that, (mind you I would have had trouble complying anyway as until your recent post I had no idea who was playing Russia)...in fact I have this thread subscribed so I get an email everytime someone makes a posting anyway.
I hope you have a lot of space in your box then :evil: *starts spamming*
_Tristan_
09-29-2007, 15:59
"No adopting of generals or accepting men of the hour."
Sorry, but I've just noticed that Shoot_Me has both adopted and accepted a MotH, thus giving France two more Generals than on starting the Game...
What do you want me to do about it ?
FactionHeir
09-29-2007, 16:17
Boat cruise! :grin2:
Well, not your fault really and boats cost too and you've been paying their upkeep. Just keep em I guess but don't adopt anymore.
_Tristan_
09-29-2007, 17:21
Boat cruise! :grin2:
The Love Boat... ta-da-di-da-da-da...:titanic:
I had thought about it but it seems cheesy and costly too :2cents:
On checking anew, one is an adoptee, the other is a pre-existing General that has been MotH...
the latest save for Denmark is here: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1086-7.sav
and Didz remember to end the turn next time, I had to do it for you but don't worry I didn't look at anything
@France
From experience of other PBEM's (mostly Battleground Napoleonic) trying to apply voluntary rules to the game causes more trouble than it does enhance play. I'm afraid if the programme allows it then sooner or later it will happen. Best just to accept the vanilla version of the game with all its flaws.
@Bob_the_great
Hmm! I'm somewhat confused. I definately, did end my turn. In fact just to check that the save had worked correctly I loaded to saved game file and made sure that the Russian password screen appeared. So, if you somehow managed to gain access to my maps and units then I suspect this is a flaw in the game system somewhere rather than an oversight on my part.
The only other possibility, which doesn't bear thinking about, is that somehow I sent you the wrong saved game.
CONFUSED
Ok! I'm somewhat confused now. Becuase of Bob's comment that my turn had not been completed properly and that he was able to view the Scottish map before ending my turn and commencing his I became concerned that I had sent him my Start of Turn file, rather than my End of Turn file, which I know had ended and had tested to make sure it showed the Russian password screen when loaded.
So, just to confirm that I had uploaded and linked the right file I decided to load the file I had uploaded again onto my PC and make sure that the Russian password screen came up.
Well, it didn't......the weird thing is that instead, what came up, was the Scottish Password screen.
The good news is that when I entered my password and looked at the map it showed all my units in the correct positions I had left them in at the end of my last turn. So, I didn't send Bob the wrong file.
The bad news is that even if you complete your turn and see the password screen for the next faction appear it does not actually mean that the game system has saved at this point and even reloading the saved game and seeing the next factions password screen displayed does not mean that this will be the case for the next player.
Ramses II CP
09-30-2007, 18:35
That's a strange one Didz. We'll have to keep an eye on it, but I don't get the impression that anyone is going to try to cheat in this group. It'd be pretty easy to catch, and what would really be the point other than just wrecking the game? If we all just do the right thing the game should roll on okay.
:egypt:
honestly as soon as I put in your password I oved the screen East as quickly as possible, I didn't see anything and wouldn't want to. I am too far away from Scotland for things that happen there to bother me.
I'm sure thats true, and had not intention of suggesting otherwise. However, it does seem to me that the Hotseat mode provided with the game has not been designed for PBEM play.
When you end your turn the game immediately clicks over and displays the password screen for the next faction. But is seems from these tests is that the saved game produced taken captures the game turn prior to this point.
Is there anyway to force it to save again manually after the next factions password screen has been displayed?
FactionHeir
09-30-2007, 23:44
Yes, when the password screen is displayed, press ESC and then save game.
Ignoramus
10-02-2007, 01:21
Yes, where is he? We need to get this moving quickly.
pevergreen
10-02-2007, 04:58
:confused:i thought it was...:confused:
playing now.
pevergreen
10-02-2007, 05:07
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1084-8.rar
No events. Took 20 seconds in game. :drama3:
Ramses II CP
10-02-2007, 13:45
You accidentally linked to your previous upload Pever, but I found 1086-8.zip and it was on Poland's turn, so I presume that was the correct one. My turn is done, no action of significance:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088.zip
:egypt:
pevergreen
10-02-2007, 13:59
:confused:
*sigh* Not a great day.
_Tristan_
10-04-2007, 19:56
I've PMed him and it has not been read yet...
Ignoramus
10-04-2007, 23:46
Sorry guys, I didn't realise Ramses had done his turn. My apologies.
Ramses II CP
10-05-2007, 01:46
I'm usually pretty quick, and I'll post when I'm out of town or otherwise indisposed, but I didn't send a PM. Sorry. :)
:egypt:
Ignoramus
10-05-2007, 10:57
Turn done. It's now France's turn.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088-1.zip
_Tristan_
10-06-2007, 16:59
France's turn played...whoa...
Now on to HRE... Here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088-2.rar)
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088-3.rar
Turn done.
Cecil XIX
10-07-2007, 06:53
Sicily's turn.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088-4.zip
FactionHeir
10-07-2007, 19:16
Scotland's turn.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088-5.zip
_Tristan_
10-08-2007, 09:25
Just a small question, but would it possible to have the end of turn report scroll appear ?
I have seen that the Hotseat set up mentioned
Hotseat scrolls = false
Making it true should make scrolls appear for each faction, no ?
Can it be changed w/out starting anew ?
I ask because in other Hotseats I play (Kingdoms-Crusades is one) I get those scrolls and I find them quite useful to know who is leading and the state of my Kingdom before starting anything...
Ignoramus
10-08-2007, 09:34
Is that why they don't appear? I wondered why I never got them. That would be a good idea if it could be done.
pevergreen
10-08-2007, 10:28
try it, and see if you dont need to restart the campaign.
I cant play games Monday-Thursday.
FactionHeir
10-08-2007, 12:26
Needs a new campaign or we would have to somehow find a way to mod the savegame itself.
Alternatively, I'm wondering if we get the scrolls if we save at the end of our turn (instead of at the log in screen) and have the next in line end our turn for us, thus possibly seeing all their announcements rather than jsut the ones which need confirmation
Russia's Turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088-6.zip
Can anyone point me to an explanation of how diplomacy works in this game?
Do we use diplomats, and if so, how do players get to respond to proposals made?
_Tristan_
10-08-2007, 13:11
Can anyone point me to an explanation of how diplomacy works in this game?
Do we use diplomats, and if so, how do players get to respond to proposals made?
On the matter of diplomacy, anything goes between players but if you want it implemented in game, you have to send a diplomat to effect such deals as giving military access, trading maps, giving a province or giving money (hint....).
Otherwise, if you want to have say a "secret alliance", anything goes...
Needs a new campaign or we would have to somehow find a way to mod the savegame itself.
Alternatively, I'm wondering if we get the scrolls if we save at the end of our turn (instead of at the log in screen) and have the next in line end our turn for us, thus possibly seeing all their announcements rather than jsut the ones which need confirmation
On modding the savegame, could it be done with Medmanager ? I would have tried but cannot get it to work on my PC :furious3:
I would prefer if we could still save on the logging screen as it retains the "double-blind" technique... But if it is the way needed to have some of our announcements, I think it best to do it... Maybe a poll might be in order to decide that point...
_Tristan_
10-08-2007, 14:50
Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I know the medieval2.config file is read/written each time the game is started (hence the need to make it read only to keep any changes made to it), thus if we were to change the hotseat part in the config file to make it so hotseat_scrolls = true, wouldn't the game consider it so from now on ?
I truly hope I won't be proven wrong but i'm hopeless :dizzy2: when it comes to modding so...
Or si the config file read every time a campaign is started... This would in fact need to start anew, something I won't even consider...:wall:
Any ideas welcome on the subject...
FactionHeir
10-08-2007, 15:31
Config is read each time the game is started, but for hotseat, these components are saved into the savegame the first time it is run.
Thus you can have no mp/hotseat lines in your cfg at all (such as me) and still run the savegame just fine.
_Tristan_
10-08-2007, 18:31
What if the starting player modified its config ?
Or is it in the save whoever modifies the config. ?
FactionHeir
10-08-2007, 18:32
The config options for MP are saved into the savegame the moment it is run the first time. Afterwards, you can have any option that is MP specific in your config and it won't affect this running game anymore.
_Tristan_
10-08-2007, 19:36
The config options for MP are saved into the savegame the moment it is run the first time. Afterwards, you can have any option that is MP specific in your config and it won't affect this running game anymore.
Got it...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088-7.sav
next!
pevergreen
10-10-2007, 07:18
Wow. My turn done :beam: (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1088-8.sav)
Ramses II CP
10-10-2007, 15:03
Done:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1090.zip
The Danes, per their prior request, are invited to join the Catholic League (I'll post in the diplomacy thread too). Otherwise all quiet on the eastern front.
:egypt:
Bump, did you PM Ignoramus?
Ignoramus
10-13-2007, 05:15
Sorry guys, I uploaded the save last night, but forgot to announce it here.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1090-1.zip
_Tristan_
10-14-2007, 19:53
HRE's turn is up
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1090-2.rar
HRE's turn is up
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1090-2.rar
Still the beginning of France's turn.
FactionHeir
10-14-2007, 21:56
Did you check by typing in the PW or are you just assuming?
Did you check by typing in the PW or are you just assuming?
I opened up the save and at the top it says France's turn. I typed in my password before I noticed the French flag at the top.
FactionHeir
10-14-2007, 23:11
He might just have forgotten to end his turn. Just enter his PW, end turn and play yours.
What's his password? And if he didn't end his turn then wouldn't it start on the campaign map?
_Tristan_
10-15-2007, 08:02
Sorry, will post anew tonite
PW is tyranids if you need it, be prepared to scroll east or west as otherwise you'll see my map
Cecil XIX
10-17-2007, 22:48
Turn completed.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1090-4.zip
FactionHeir
10-17-2007, 23:17
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1090-5.zip
Done
Scotland Done, Russia's Turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1090-6.zip
Ramses II CP
10-22-2007, 03:47
Anybody seen Bob? He was pretty active last week.
:egypt:
oops sorry about the wait, I should get to it later today
Edit: done and uploaded http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1090-7.sav
pevergreen
10-23-2007, 02:17
Will try to get to it tonight, otherwise, friday.
pevergreen
10-23-2007, 07:09
Done, link here.
http://files.filefront.com/omgrar/;8865753;/fileinfo.html
Sorry about alternative site, the PBM uploader will not work for me.
My only concern about all these House Rules that are being suggested is that they are practically impossible to enforce and in many cases infringements whether by accident or design would be impossible to detect or correct.
I used to play Battleground PBEM games regularly as a member of a Napoleonic online wargame group and I have a brilliant set of house rules for that game that ensured the battles were 100% more accurate. But it was impossible to actually play a game by them because sooner or later someone forgot 'that cavalry cannot charge canon that are closely supported by infantry or horse' or that 'infantry must form square when threatened by cavalry' and the whole thing descended into argument and chaos.
The other issue is that to be quite honest I have trouble remembering which player is playing which faction in this game let alone any house rules which apply. Unlike a true PBEM we don't have the option of circulating a rule sheet to everyone and so it just gets buried in this thread somewhere.
FactionHeir
10-23-2007, 09:27
Rules are on honor basis. You know when you break them and you should feel ashamed and crawl into a black hole and cry :tongue:
As for the playerlist, I posted in on page 4 and someone else did again on 7 or 8 (maybe 9). I asked Ignoramus repeatedly to put it in post one and all the other rules should be put there too, but he doesn't seem too keen to do so.
Ignoramus
10-23-2007, 11:31
The first post was updated last week with the relevant play list.
The only thing that annoys me is the lack of public diplomacy. That makes the game more exciting, and it also helps keep the game moving along.
FactionHeir
10-23-2007, 11:46
Ah OK I didn't see it. wasn't there when I checked 2 weeks ago.
Could you add following:
1.3 patch
Diplomacy posts encouraged
No mods
That should be it in a nutshell.
Oh, and remove the first playtable (the sign up one)
I actually prefer the diplomatic side to be keep secret, as indeed it would be, reminds me of the board game Diplomacy.
Ramses II CP
10-23-2007, 15:23
Done: http://www.filecram.com/viewfile/1595807.htm
The Org's filespace wasn't working for me either. The message was 'please chose (sic) an existing file to upload.'
:egypt:
pevergreen
10-23-2007, 23:40
Yeah. Same thing to me, I'll report it to Tosa.
_Tristan_
10-24-2007, 21:50
:bump:
Ramses II CP
10-26-2007, 14:59
Well, I def. PM'd Ignoramus this time, so I presume it's just a matter of his finding time.
:egypt:
Ignoramus
10-27-2007, 00:22
Sorry about the big delay guys, I'll do the save sometime today if I can.
Ignoramus
10-27-2007, 00:54
FileCram's not working.
FactionHeir
10-27-2007, 01:06
I can confirm the file can't be downloaded from there.
Can you PM Ramses to upload the file on mizus?
Ignoramus
10-27-2007, 01:52
I'm going away for today and tomorrow, so the earliest I can do is Monday.
Ramses II CP
10-27-2007, 02:43
Doh! Had the best of luck with them before. I'll pop it up at the alternate tonight.
edit: Up now. Someone mind testing before Ig. gets back Monday?
http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1092.zip
:egypt:
_Tristan_
10-27-2007, 06:48
Download successful...
Ignoramus
10-29-2007, 11:49
Turn Done:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1092-1.zip
The Org's uploader is working again, so we can resume our normal routine.
_Tristan_
10-29-2007, 19:11
Got the save...
I hope to play it soon when I have some time which is very much rare right now...
Will keep you posted...
_Tristan_
11-02-2007, 17:18
OK turn is finally done and uploaded here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1092-2.rar)
HRE's turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1092-3.zip
Turn done
Cecil XIX
11-02-2007, 23:00
Turn complete.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1092-4.zip
FactionHeir
11-03-2007, 04:50
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1092-5.zip
Scotlands Turn Complete...Russia's Turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1092-6.zip
Not sure how you create these links to the files, I can never get my attempts to work so I end up just editing the previous one.
FactionHeir
11-04-2007, 12:39
That's what I do. Copy/paste the previous link and change the number
Or in the list of uploaded saves you can right click and then select 'copy link location' and then paste that into your reply box. Taking the save.
Happy Birthday FactionHeir!!! :balloon:
ahh sorry, I've been really busy lately, I'll get to it tonight.
_Tristan_
11-10-2007, 11:32
Ignoramus ... You truly are true to your nickname...
"We ignore"... That's what you've been doing to my PM, not very nice considering your position...
I would like to hear from you...
finally done my turn, really sorry for the delay
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1092-7.sav
Ramses II CP
11-10-2007, 15:42
Didja pm Pever? Been awhile since he had to check in here. ;)
:egypt:
PMing him now, tbh I forgot who was playing as Denmark, I'm not sure how quickly he'll be able to play, he says he's very busy right now. I'm starting to get scared now, my spy hasn't found any rebel settlements bar Vilnius on his way to France :sweatdrop: .
FactionHeir
11-10-2007, 17:42
Tell me about it. I can't find any place to expand Sicily.
_Tristan_
11-10-2007, 18:25
MUHAHAHAHAHA...
You should look to those crescent bearing folks...
Ramses II CP
11-10-2007, 22:29
It is clearly about time for a crusade, at least as soon as the Sicilians pick an enemy and we can hold a CL conclave. ;)
:egypt:
FactionHeir
11-10-2007, 23:14
I have been itching to call it on an European target actually :grin:
Sure you all run off on your crusade now, just expect half of your people to be speaking Russian when you return :P
pevergreen
11-10-2007, 23:56
caught me at a great time :beam:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1092-8.sav
Ramses II CP
11-11-2007, 06:56
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1094.zip
King Wladyslaw is pleased to announce an alliance between Poland and the Papacy.
:egypt:
_Tristan_
11-11-2007, 08:08
I have been itching to call it on an European target actually :grin:
You must be really fond of islands...
Ignoramus
11-11-2007, 22:02
I really do apologise, Tristan, I have not been intentionally ignoring you. I will send a PM to you when I have time today, but rest assured that it will be before your turn.
_Tristan_
11-12-2007, 10:45
I really do apologise, Tristan, I have not been intentionally ignoring you. I will send a PM to you when I have time today, but rest assured that it will be before your turn.
No need to apologise... I was being to feel betrayed, is all...
Hope to hear from you soon...
_Tristan_
11-13-2007, 22:45
@ Didz : Check your PMs... There are some important news for you
FactionHeir
11-18-2007, 21:03
Its (still) lagging on Ignoramus....again.
Time to find a replacement?
Ignoramus
11-19-2007, 11:12
Sorry guys,
Here's the save.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1094-1.zip
I really do apologise for the long delay. I'll pull up my socks.
_Tristan_
11-19-2007, 20:34
Here's the save for the HRE
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1094-2.sav
Cecil XIX
11-21-2007, 22:02
Turn complete and uploaded.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1094-4.zip
FactionHeir
11-22-2007, 01:14
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1094-5.zip
Didz' turn
Done.>>>>> Russia's Turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1094-6.zip
Danes' turn: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1094-7.sav
pevergreen
11-26-2007, 02:08
Didnt know i was still in >_>
Will do this afternoon.
pevergreen
11-26-2007, 07:02
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1094-8.sav
Ramses II CP
11-26-2007, 16:13
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1096.zip
Done! I'll poke Igno.
:egypt:
Ignoramus does not have access to M2TW at the moment, so he asked me to make his move for him:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1096-Eng.zip
_Tristan_
12-01-2007, 09:16
Ignoramus does not have access to M2TW at the moment, so he asked me to make his move for him:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1096-Eng.zip
Econ, there seem to be a problem with the save as it displays the screen for England and ask for Igno PW...
So could you post again... MPC1096-1, as defined... Thx again...
Sorry, Tristan - I've never done a MP game. This one has the French screen:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1096-Eng2.zip
_Tristan_
12-01-2007, 14:13
Thanks and no problem, it happened to some of us (and not only at the beginning)...
Should play it before monday...
_Tristan_
12-03-2007, 09:04
Save is up for HRE
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1096-2.rar
Ichigo's turn
Cecil XIX
12-05-2007, 23:36
Turn complete and uploaded. My apologies for the delay.
FactionHeir
12-06-2007, 00:37
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1096-5.zip
Russia's Turn:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1096-6.zip
Denmark:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1096-7.rar
I may be out of town the next couple of days so if my turn comes up then, I believe FH has my password so he can skip my turn or play it himself either is fine.
FactionHeir
12-08-2007, 13:17
Will do. Your PW is somewhere in this topic, right? (I haven't checked)
Ramses II CP
12-08-2007, 14:34
Didja pm Pevergreen, Bob? He's usually on the ball to at least post when he'll get it done.
:egypt:
FactionHeir
12-08-2007, 14:54
I PMed him 3 days ago too but he hasn't read it yet even though he's been online every day including a few hours ago.
Figure we should skip his turn?
My password is r31ch if it isn't in this thread.
Is it too late to join? Can I get info about the latest situation in the game? If so, I'd like to play as Turkey...
...and declare war against all European infidels
FactionHeir
12-09-2007, 12:32
The thing with a MPC is that you cannot join midway unless we have set an admin password which Ignoramus didn't do, so you could only join if someone drops out.
FactionHeir
12-09-2007, 17:55
If pever doesn't play his turn, I'll be skipping it in 5 hours from now.
If Tran wants to take over his faction, thats fine by me.
Ramses II CP
12-09-2007, 18:32
I believe Poland is after the Danes so I'll be paying attention tonight and get things done in good time.
Done: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1098.zip
A crusade has been called (Not by me)! King Wladyslaw urges all good Catholic Kings to send armies to the call of the Papacy so that Antioch can be captured and restored to Christian rule.
Noted nothing else of consequence.
:egypt:
FactionHeir
12-10-2007, 01:12
I called the crusade :grin:
Ignoramus
12-10-2007, 01:24
Well there goes Antioch...
Ignoramus
12-10-2007, 11:15
Save is up.
FactionHeir
12-10-2007, 11:40
Please always PM the next in line ~:)
Ok! Somethings gone wrong.
I got FractionHeir's message MPC1098 saying that it was my turn, but providing me with no link to the uploaded file.
So, I checked the upload library and found two files:
MPC1098 - which is Englands turn and MPC1098-1 which is Frances turn, but no file for Scotland.
So, either the file has not been uploaded or its got a completely different number.
FactionHeir
12-10-2007, 12:17
Gah, sorry. For some reason I thought Scotland was after England. Should have PMed Tristan instead. really sorry!
I'm back, so I can play my turn.
_Tristan_
12-10-2007, 21:24
Should post it for you tomorrow...
_Tristan_
12-10-2007, 22:58
Ichigo, here you are...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1098-2.rar
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1098-3.rar
Cecil's turn
So...am I allowed to join?
FactionHeir
12-11-2007, 18:59
Yes, you can take over Denmark.
Password is "nerdface"
Please read the thread and its rules.
Cecil XIX
12-11-2007, 22:04
Turn complete and uploaded.
FactionHeir
12-12-2007, 00:21
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1098-5.zip
_Tristan_
12-12-2007, 11:17
Welcome TRAN
gibsonsg91921
12-13-2007, 01:02
keep ol' Denmark in good hands. how's she doing nowadays? i quit this game a while, and pevergreen had to quit too? at least i had the good sense to tell the password in this one and use the one i always remember.
FactionHeir
12-14-2007, 13:33
Almost 3 days since I posted Didz's turn. He read the PM too and has been online. Anyone know whether he is still playing?
_Tristan_
12-14-2007, 14:07
Last I know he was still playing but a bit disgruntled about it all...
I will check his PM to see if I got it wrong...
Russia's Turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1098-6.zip
Sorry, for the delay...combination of Xmas and work has kept me distracted.
BTW: I am not disgruntled. I am just annoyed with myself for being stupid enough to believe that Ignoramous was a honourable person and on that basis to agreeing to Tristan's request to spare England so as to let him stay in the game. I should have been ruthless, refused to give England back either York or London, and used the money raised to besiege Nottingham and finish them off.
But like an idiot I decided to be merciful and accept a deal to hand England back their capital only to have them renege on both their agreement with Scotland and their vassalage to France and stab me in the back by using the free army they got as a result my gift of London to invade Scotland.
A brilliant peice of diplomatic deception by Ignoramous, only possible because of the shortcomings of the games diplomacy mechanic's which required me to hand London back to England, before he had to complete his side of the deal.
As things stand the armies of Scotland and England are now poised for what may well be the final battle for either one or both of us outside the walls of York. Scotland has nothing to lose as it cannot survive without York. Likewise, hopefully England can't win because having stripped both London and Nottingham of almost their entire garrisons to raise the one massive army outside York I am hoping that even if they do take the city I shall make such a mess of that army in the process that France will be able to simply walk in and revenge Scotlands betrayal and their own embarrassment at having been hoodwinked.
FactionHeir
12-14-2007, 17:55
Hmm you do have Dublin and Inverness, right?
save for Danes: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1098-7.rar
Privateerkev
12-14-2007, 19:38
Hi guys!
I've been lurking around and thought I would finally post. I just saw Didz's post about the Scottish/Anglo war and have some thoughts that I have learned from playing the Kingdoms Hotseats.
1.) If you have a chance to finish a faction off, take it. An opponent with nothing to lose is one of the most dangerous kinds.
2.) Do not be surprised if factions backstab you. It's part of the game.
3.) Remember that if you are backstabbed, it is just a game. The player involved should be commended OOC for his diplomatic skill.
4.) Find ways to have fun even if your faction is losing. If your going to go down, go down swinging.
:2thumbsup:
Ramses II CP
12-14-2007, 20:16
5. You can always buy a ship and sail for Arguin. :laugh4:
:egypt:
_Tristan_
12-14-2007, 20:54
What you should understand is the way that was done :
There was no IC reasoning just a call for mercy on the basis that it was only the fifth turn and that we could finish him off, never to see the sixth turn...
Out of kindness, I pleaded Igno's case to Didz and made some arrangements that Igno immediately took advantage, unfairly, IMHO...
All this left a bitter aftertaste in my mouth...
Cecil XIX
12-14-2007, 21:03
I suppose that's the risk of mixing OOC reasons with IC actions. Meh, I can't blame Ignoramus for what he did nor Tristan and Didz for being angry about it.
_Tristan_
12-14-2007, 21:11
It is not so much angry but rather disappointed...
FactionHeir
12-14-2007, 22:19
Ramses, Arguin cannot be reached by ship (although I guess it could be with an ocean faring one)
Ramses II CP
12-14-2007, 23:07
Err, your game would end when your last province was captured during the voyage too, that's why it's 'funny.' Or not. :inquisitive:
Think of it as the MTWII equivilent of going to fly a kite.
:egypt:
Hmm you do have Dublin and Inverness, right?
Nope! when I took over Scotland all it had was Edinburgh, a huge debt to the local jewish money lender and an army parked just outside London.
I assume whoever ruled Scotland before me had been attempting a blitz on England and it basically worked except that I gave it all back again.
Ignoramus
12-15-2007, 03:12
The reason I attacked Didz was because he was excommunicated. I roleplayed it as being unable tp sign peace with him because he was a pariah of the Pope.
The misunderstanding might have occured because out-of-game peace negotiations and in-game peace offers were different.
Didz was pushing for a ceasefire giving me back London and in exchange receiving Nottingham and keeping York. I didn't agree, and was trying to negotiate keeping Nottingham and London, when I get an in-game offer from a Scottish diplomat offering me London and a ceasefire. So I gratefully accepted.
It seems there is an issue with (either) the save game (or game settings): I can't load the save game. Everytime the game finished loading the save, it returns to the main menu.
Help?
Ramses II CP
12-15-2007, 04:10
Are you updated to 1.3? Sounds like the 1.2-1.3 issue, but there may be other possibilities.
:egypt:
Ah. 1.3 it is, can you provide the download link please? :sweatdrop:
Ramses II CP
12-15-2007, 04:46
No problem :)
http://www.gamershell.com/download_20881.shtml
:egypt:
The reason I attacked Didz was because he was excommunicated. I roleplayed it as being unable tp sign peace with him because he was a pariah of the Pope.
I recognised that was the excuse, although the ex-communication occurred before the negotiations started and so it seems England were willing to accept London as a gift from a pariah of the Pope, but not complete their side of the bargain having obtained what they wanted.
The ex-communication itself was one of the weird aspects of the hotseat version of the game, as Scotland got no warning whatsoever that it was about to happen. In the vanilla game you usually get a warning telling you to cease hostilities within X days or face excommunication, but Scotland just got a message out of the blue telling them that the Pope had made his decision.
The misunderstanding might have occured because out-of-game peace negotiations and in-game peace offers were different.
Didz was pushing for a ceasefire giving me back London and in exchange receiving Nottingham and keeping York. I didn't agree, and was trying to negotiate keeping Nottingham and London, when I get an in-game offer from a Scottish diplomat offering me London and a ceasefire. So I gratefully accepted.
There was no misunderstanding, the deal offered had already been agreed and accepted on your behalf by France, who at that time were supposedly your vassal lords. England having thrown itself under their mercy and protection to avoid annihilation.
This is the message from the King of France offering the original proposals for peace:
Hail, my gracious ally,
I confirm that William is now my vassal and thus your ally...
So I would ask you to stop waging war against him...
From what I know, London is yours already and York shall be soon...
Here is what I propose :
1/ Nottingham is to remain in English hands (OOC: otherwise the English faction might be destroyed and it would be sad to lose a player so early in game)
2/If not taken already, London and York will be given to you as a Gift (OOC:Thus gaining you troops instead of losing some in sieges and making your rep higher with England)
3/Ireland will be yours to conquer w/out English interference.
4/You will have military access through english land to go from York to London and back.
5/Further negociation could lead to an exchange of Nottingham for London.
6/I propose that once that matter is settled, we prepare joint attacks on the rebel towns of Bruges and Antwerp and do it so that the winner of the siege makes it a gift to the other party (OOC : so if I take Antwerp, I'll give it to you and on your taking Bruges, you'll give it to me we'll both gain troops for free this way)
I'll send an edited copy of this deal to William if you do agree... He is in no position to refuse as we could crush him in one turn between the two of us...
Know that he was true to his word and revealed to me the name of the would-be agressor...
Yours faithfully,
King Philippe
As you can see, the original deal proposed by France was that I allow you to keep Nottingham. My feelings were that allowing you to remain in the game with only one castle was hardly fair and suggested the much better option of letting you have London back in return for Nottingham. The advantage being that both Scotland and England would gain an instant army out of the deal for use supporting Frances plans to invade the low countries, whilst London being a city would give England better income to support future expansion on the continent.
That deal was agreed with France on your behalf and you were instructed to comply with it as a vassal of Tristan. I completed my part of this deal by transferring London back into your control, providing you with your free army.
However, you refused to complete your part of the arrangement and ignoring your new obligations to France, you have chosen to use the troops raised to attack one of Frances allied states. Effectively, betraying your oath of fealty to the King Phillipe.
I really think the first page of this thread needs to be seriously updated...
Anyway, Poland's turn:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1098-8.zip
Ramses II CP
12-16-2007, 01:30
England's up:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100.zip
Nothing of substance to report, except look at the size of Sicily! Impressive expansion.
:egypt:
FactionHeir
12-16-2007, 01:32
Eh, how do you know the size of my lands? :inquisitive:
I only have 9 regions btw. They look huge though.
Ramses II CP
12-16-2007, 01:45
Territories section of the faction overview. Check out France and Germany while you're there. It's not hard to calculate the exact number given that you know your own place and the steps are so clearly delineated.
Now FH, I'm shocked you hadn't thought of that. Or that you're sandbagging me, which seems more likely.
:egypt:
Eh, how do you know the size of my lands? :inquisitive:
I only have 9 regions btw. They look huge though.
Good god! You have 9 regions?
How many did you start with?
I have 2 regions, and I'll be lucky to have those at the end of this turn. Talk about blitzers dominating the game.:dizzy2:
FactionHeir
12-16-2007, 11:28
I started with 2 regions, 2 fleets and 3 generals.
Well that would appear to support Pizza Guys assertion that blitzers will dominate an MP game just as they do in SP.
FactionHeir
12-16-2007, 12:33
Of course.
I normally only blitz in the first 10-15 turns to get a decent economic base before I take it slow though in SP. In MP, I'm not quite sure how it will go. You guys all expand much faster than the AI does and that leaves me with little room for expansion.
_Tristan_
12-16-2007, 14:07
Blizt is only allowed because other players are rather quiet...
Blitzers over-extand themselves and are subject to counter-attacks from other players (most being afraid or unwilling to declare war...)
As for France blitzing, I was driven to do it by England's aggression but I'am now setting a much slower pace...
But FH can afford to blitz seeing as he is surrounded by AI factions and now that he's pretty powerful no-one is going to want to go all the way down to Sicily to take him on. One of the reasons I picked Russia is so I can just hide in the corner away from everyone's interests untill one day...
_Tristan_
12-16-2007, 14:40
There are no corners to hide into for me... Too bad...
FactionHeir
12-16-2007, 14:45
You can always go to Arguin or Timbuktu :tongue:
_Tristan_
12-16-2007, 15:15
Too long a trip... I can't bear plane flights... :clown:
Cecil XIX
12-16-2007, 18:40
FH's blitzing is impressive, and certainly not my usual style. I think having ready access to the mediterranean helped him in that regard.
Privateerkev
12-16-2007, 19:14
As AtPG agreed to, blitzing in a MP game that has more than 2 players can only work if some of the other players allow it to work. A blitzer makes himself vulnerable to getting pounced on by other players.
Diplomacy is the key... :yes:
FactionHeir
12-16-2007, 19:21
Depends on the type of blitzer you are. I blitz and occupy, not sack and promote growth before military.
Privateerkev
12-16-2007, 19:23
But you can't defend everywhere at once. Like I said, it would take diplomacy to secure your rather large borders.
MP is much much different than SP. :yes:
FactionHeir
12-16-2007, 19:34
My borders are small considering they are all small islands or a tiny region inside a large landmass. More like many satellites. Being allied to other blitzers of course is always useful :grin:
FactionHeir
12-17-2007, 11:26
Play your turn Ignoramus.
Ignoramus
12-17-2007, 12:36
Save game uploaded.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100-1.zip
_Tristan_
12-18-2007, 09:01
Save game uploaded.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100-2.rar
Ichigo's turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100-3.rar
Done.
Hello everyone. I was wondering, on the off chance a new wplayer is ever needed (i.e. if someone can't play any more), could I give it a shot? I'm having a blast with the Kingdoms games and am hoping to get into a grand campaign MP game sometime. :yes:
_Tristan_
12-19-2007, 09:48
You'll be welcome, Zim...
You've come just a bit too late as Tran has taken over Denmark only last turn...
I don't know if anybody is on the verge of dropping out... I'm certainly not...
I'll check in from time to time to see if anyone ever does drop out for some reason.
In the meantime, I'm testing the waters to see if anyone is interested in another hotseat game. :yes:
_Tristan_
12-19-2007, 10:17
I would... but I've not enough time already with the three I'm in...
The Grand Campaign one doesn't take me as much time as either the Crusades or Teutonic ones...
I can't even continue my AAR...
Drat, I would have tried to pick a faction that could ally with you so I'd have a chance of winning. ~;)
Cecil XIX
12-20-2007, 03:22
Turn complete and uploaded.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100-4.zip
Have a great Xmas everyone.
Just to forewarn everyone I shall be going away for Xmas from Sunday until the New Year so I may not have access to a PC with MTW on it when my next turn comes up.
FactionHeir
12-20-2007, 12:26
Not so fast. Before you go, play your turn :grin:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100-5.zip
Done!
Russia's Turn http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100-6.zip
Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100-7.rar
_Tristan_
12-22-2007, 18:48
Is Tran aware than it is his turn ?
FactionHeir
12-22-2007, 19:38
Yes, I sent him a PM.
Since he's always on invisible mode though, I don't know when he last checked in, but he hasn't read the PM yet (but then Ignoramus never reads your PMs either :tongue:)
What's the thought about whether we should skip his turn?
I think we should give him the full 48 hours and if he doesn't play his turn skip him.
Sorry, I was away from my main PC. Poland's turn:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1100-8.zip
Ramses II CP
12-23-2007, 06:54
England is up. Announcements in the diplomatic thread.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1102.zip
:egypt:
Is it me, or did Ignoramus forget to tell about his move?
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1102-1.zip
Not sure if that's the correct file, though. I just take a quick look at PBM database.
Ignoramus
12-24-2007, 08:49
I'm sorry that I forgot, but it is the 24th of December, and it's not as if I've had nothing to do.
_Tristan_
12-24-2007, 16:30
HRE is up...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1102-2.rar
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1102-3.rar
Turn done
Cecil XIX
12-25-2007, 01:01
Turn complete and uploaded.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1102-4.zip
FactionHeir
12-25-2007, 12:45
Seeing how Didz will be away for more than a week, I took the liberty of playing his turn (as he has no allies). There was not much that could be done anyway, and skipping it would be unfair to him (being down to his last province and all units exhausted).
Brief synopsis: Accepted both diplomacy offers presented by other factions. Moved his agents where he wanted them to go as indicated by green markers. Explored York by ship. Hired more units to defend his last city.
Save for Russia is thus up:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1102-6.zip
[edit]
As for my own turn. It was smooth, but I was more than surprised to see that my princess was fried by an inquisitor :cry:
FactionHeir
12-25-2007, 15:02
Hmmm it seems Elite Ferret/Bob the great will be gone till new year's.
Anyone got his password? Its not in this thread.
I think since he's allied to Poland, Ramses should be eligible to play his turn or we can skip it.
My feeling is that either econ or Ignoramus might have it?
Ramses II CP
12-25-2007, 18:08
I may be an ally, but I'm also his closest opponent and most likely eventual enemy. There is probably information he doesn't want me to have and once I discover it, it would be difficult for me to completely disregard it or not take advantage in some way. I'd recommend FH or Spain play his turn as both are far enough away as to not be any threat of war in the near future. I'm sure Bob would be fine with that.
:egypt:
_Tristan_
12-25-2007, 18:18
I can also play the turn... Being so far does not give me any interest (so no conflict of interest...)
Can I play as the Egyptians? Or are there no factions left?
_Tristan_
12-25-2007, 22:29
Sorry, but once started no new player can join... unless admin access has been enabled which is not the case here...
FactionHeir
12-26-2007, 00:51
Denmark's turn:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1102-7.zip
Poland's turn:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1102-8.zip
And, what an interesting view on the British Isle...
Ramses II CP
12-26-2007, 16:01
England is up:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1104.zip
:egypt:
Factionheir asked me to play Ignoramus's turn, which I have done in the past and so I agreed again.
France is up:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1104-Fr.zip
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 00:48
Thank you econ :bow:
Hopefully Tristan will have his turn done in the morning. I'll be gone from Friday til probably around Wednesday or Thursday.
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 11:59
Tristan said he'll do it Friday afternoon GMT+1.
_Tristan_
12-28-2007, 18:48
Save is here for Ichigo :
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1104-2.rar
And a grave announcement has been made in the Diplomacy thread...
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 19:38
As Ichigo is gone, I shall be playing his turn as his substitute.
Privateerkev
12-28-2007, 19:42
We now have the 2nd confirmed kill in a Throne Room hotseat. Congratulations. :2thumbsup:
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 19:50
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1104-3.zip
Cecil's turn.
_Tristan_
12-28-2007, 21:10
Making a deep bow
It was a foregone conclusion for some time... I feel sorry for Didz who took the brunt of England's charge and will need time recovering...
Nevertheless, it is quite satisfying in that Ignoramus or anyone else for that matter give a much better fight than any AI...
As to William's fate, If I can get around to it, I would surely like to bribe him :devil:
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 21:14
I think Didz, owning only one province which is a city, should recover rather quickly, especially if you were to take the rebel settlements around him and then gift them all to him.
Of course you could also be evil and just take Edinburgh and thus the isles all for yourself...
Slightly sorry for Ignoramus being out of the game now, but eventually, there will only be very few players left if this is total war.
As for bribing William, why would you want to spend some 40-70k florins (depending on how many units he has with him) to bribe him and that other character with him into your faction? William has at most 6 or 7 turns left to live. It would of course be nice as a GA goal.
:jawdrop: The player who started the game was the first to go. This does not bode well for Venice in mine. :clown:
_Tristan_
12-28-2007, 21:20
As for bribing William, why would you want to spend some 40-70k florins (depending on how many units he has with him) to bribe him and that other character with him into your faction? William has at most 6 or 7 turns left to live. It would of course be nice as a GA goal.
Yep, I meant it just for the fun of it...
As to what to do with the Isles, I thought about dealing Didz the killing blow but it would not have been fun and how could I have maintained my other alliances if people began to wonder where my path would lead me next ?
I prefered a clearer message : cross me, you're doomed... Follow me, you're saved...
As to Didz, some help is on the way in the form of captured settlements and funds if possible...
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 21:28
Well, you could have said that it was a mercy and Scotland is excommunicated anyway. You still have time to finish what you are doing!!! :grin:
Sicily would stand behind France as long as my heir has a French princess to toy around with....
Btw, how's that crusade army of your's doing on the isles? Deserting en masse yet?
_Tristan_
12-28-2007, 21:39
Not yet... Prince Louis has a firm hand and a change of men on Sicily helped keeping desertion out...
Scotland's excomm is not Didz's fault and he has no way to remedy it save for a papal short-circuit...
As to the princess, wait another two turns and she's all yours...
As to yours, last I saw her she was around Dijon and there's no inquisitor in the area or anywhere else in France... Might be a third party involved (a third party with knives... or snakes...)
Cecil XIX
12-28-2007, 21:41
Turn complete. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1104-4.zip)
Ramses II CP
12-28-2007, 21:42
No reason to let a crusade army desert if there's a town about to be conquered. I think Igno's fate was mostly determined by his trusting too much in the game mechanic and not enough in the players. The game hasn't turned out anything like I expected as the players with the most powerful nations aren't being bullies at all (Err, fair warning, if I was Germany the Danes and Poles wouldn't be long for the world). It's a bit odd to me to have all this time to expand effectively at peace.
:egypt:
_Tristan_
12-28-2007, 21:59
The game hasn't turned out anything like I expected as the players with the most powerful nations aren't being bullies at all (Err, fair warning, if I was Germany the Danes and Poles wouldn't be long for the world). It's a bit odd to me to have all this time to expand effectively at peace.
:egypt:
I meant to do the same and I have taken only rebel settlements ( and Igno's ones...of course...)
Clearly, I thought more players would play aggressively... But rebel settlements are much more tempting and are beginning to be a rarity...
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 22:00
As to the princess, wait another two turns and she's all yours...
As to yours, last I saw her she was around Dijon and there's no inquisitor in the area or anywhere else in France... Might be a third party involved (a third party with knives... or snakes...)
:gah:
I had to reject 2 marriage proposals by Sicilian nobles already.....do you want Constance to marry Simon when she's 40?
As for mine...the family tree says "Executed". That would mean inquisitor or some (human) faction wantonly stomping on her...either way. Anyone having hints on it will be rewarded and the culprit shall suffer terribly.
I'm actually not sure whether it can be an inquisitor. Agents (including princesses but not priests) all get an auto 10 piety meaning they are pretty much immune. Add to that she had 7 charm, so an assassin would have no chance.
So...who stomped on her? huh? who?
[edit]
I finished my turn and contemplating whether to play Didz's and Bob's together in one go now. They are still away for a while right?
Didz seems to be checking the forum but not sure if he's able to play.
_Tristan_
12-28-2007, 22:04
Constance just gained another star this turn... The longer you wait, the better she'll be....
And I have also turned down some cool marriage proposals for her...
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 22:19
Moved Scotland and Russia as they are unable:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1104-7.zip
Denmark's turn now.
If you could tell me what you did FH I'd appreciate it.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1104-8.zip
Poland's turn
Ramses II CP
12-29-2007, 18:10
We have a problem gentlemen. When I end my turn I can see it scroll through the faction shields and when it gets to the rebels it simply halts. You can see France's shield is next, but it won't scroll to it or bring up a password screen.
That's the position England would normally occupy. I have no idea what to do. I hope there's a resolution. I uploaded two saves, one before I hit end turn (I'd prefer you not look around, but :shrug: no biggie) and one right at the rebel shield pause:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1104-8pre.zip
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1106.zip
:egypt:
FactionHeir
12-29-2007, 18:56
Ugh.
I'll have a look.
This certainly doesn't sound good at all.
_Tristan_
12-29-2007, 18:58
I'll upload and try the 1106 one first then the other one if there is any problem...
With a promise to make a quick scroll out of harm's way...
FactionHeir
12-29-2007, 19:00
Well, I don't have your password so I cannot load up your end turn game.
As for the 1108 game, it loads fine for me. Sends me to England's login screen.
I suppose I'll ask econ for the password and see what happens when logging in. Hopefully it lets us skip it then.
_Tristan_
12-29-2007, 19:07
I've tried the 1106 save and it shows England's login screen as I don't have Igno's PW, I'm blocked maybe Econ could give that PW
EDIT : FH beat me to it...
I would prefer Econ sends me the PW...
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