MTW2 Multiplayer Campaign

[FactionHeir]

I have a feeling we'll wait 48 for TSMG (did he drop out or why does he read PMs but doesn't play?) and then ATPG will play his turn within about 12 before you are up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

yep... im pretty swift with most of my turns... even though I am in 4 hotseats.

[FactionHeir]

TSMG just PMed me that he is dropping out. Anyone know of someone wanting to take over Scotland?

[Zim]

I might know someone. Sent them a pm earlier but they're in GMT, so might not get an answer until tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:wall: :wall: :wall:

Sigh... this would have been so much easier if TSM simply informed you guys of the deal I proposed. He told me that he didn't really want to play this one, and I offered to take over most of his provinces (like Russia/Poland).

Then we could have just skipped him and his band of warriors in Edinburgh ad infinitum until the game was over. Sad part was, he agreed to the deal, but didn't leave any proof of it.

So now I am back into irrelevancy as one of the most powerful factions in the game sits unruled... how very laughable! :laugh4:

It's all good though. I don't mind being insignificant! :7king:

:grin:

[Csargo]

I should have tried to get more provinces from him then. :wall:

[Smowz]

I am the one that Zim asked and would be delighted to get involved.

Do I understand correctly that it is currently Scotlands turn?

Anyway I am off to work now and so will be back in about 9 hours time - hopefully to take my turn.

[Askthepizzaguy]

as I recall it is Scotland's turn.

Welcome... be nice to your Danish friends is all I ask... lol

[FactionHeir]

Yes it is scotland's turn. Use the savegame I uploaded. Password for Scotland is "1" without "".

Few rules:
No adoptions
No Man of the Hour
No Cheating/Exploiting
Have fun

[Smowz]

Oki I am not sure whom is next up - but I have taken Scotlands go and here is the royal save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1154-4.rar

Hehe looks like a lot of crazy land taken so far wow!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

That would be I...

I'm guessing Denmark is still it's shrivelled and defenseless self. hehe

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1154-5.zip Poland is up

Go Ramses Go!

[Ramses II CP]

Germans are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1156.zip

Was there another unannounced crusade? I just noticed that Jerusalem was highlighted like a crusade target. Or maybe an AI jihad?

Either way, remind me not to take factions that are so late in the turn order in the future. :dizzy2:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, I probably should mention:

My King, Knud II, has died of his own free will into the icy seas of the North, apprarently a suicide. For whatever reason, this 58 year old man had nothing left to live for.

My relations with the Pope are now Perfect, and the new King Charles is a Catholic in good standing.

I'M BACK, BABY!!!!

Let the next Crusade include the Viking Horde, for at such time, we will be ready to follow the will of God and smite the pagans and heretics. Until then, we are happy to announce we are allied with Scotland, Holy Roman Empire, and Roly Poly Poland.

The invincible north will never fall.

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1156-1.rar

[FactionHeir]

More than 48 passed:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1156-3.rar

[Smowz]

Scotland has taken its turn, Denmark next by the looks

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1156-4.rar

[Ramses II CP]

Denmark is ATPG, please remember to send a PM to the next in line. :yes:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1156-5.zip

Poland's up. He's really, really up.

[Ramses II CP]

Ichigo is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1158.zip

Baghdad was claimed and the Turks have been eliminated as a faction. Your merchants weren't harmed FH, but I used small armies to bump them off their resources. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1158-1.rar

[Cecil XIX]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1158-2.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1158-3.rar

[Smowz]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1158-3.rar

Denmark's up.

Scotland hold celebrations as new maps arrive from Venice outlining the superb crusading work against the infidel. Catholics rejoice.

[Smowz]

oops forgot to change the number on the copy and paste...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1158-4.rar

Scotland feasts and fun soon allow it to forget its stupidity.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1158-5.zip

[Ramses II CP]

Germans are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1160.zip

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1160-1.rar

[FactionHeir]

Beautiful. Almost less than a day per turn :grin:

[Cecil XIX]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1160-2.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1160-3.rar

[Smowz]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1160-4.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1160-5.zip

It's time for Ramses... :smash:

[Smowz]

Hi there,

I am off on holiday today to the Western Isles of Scotland, this remote place will mean that I will have to hand temperory control of my realm over to ATPG, someone who the Scots trust dearly.

In short I will be gone until Sunday 1st June, ATPG has agree to substitute me in this campaign.

Smowz

[Ramses II CP]

Reich is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1160-6.zip

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1162-1.rar

[Cecil XIX]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1162-2.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1162-3.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1162-5.zip

Scotland and Denmark done.

Poland up. Ramses Pm'ed

[Ramses II CP]

...and I'll get back to you IC before I do mine FH. FYI the daughters I referred to were not princesses but born to my other nobles. If my King died this turn I might have a princess though, so I'm waiting to be sure.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scotland: more target practice, moved troops into more defensible position.

Denmark: more target practice, moved troops to defend the capital, moved general to govern Stockholm, built armourer and blacksmith. Swimming in profit.

[Ramses II CP]

The Reich is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1162-6.zip

Message away in a moment to Sicily (Nothing was damaged this turn).

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1164-1.rar

[Cecil XIX]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1164-2.zip

[FactionHeir]

You forgot to end you turn

[Cecil XIX]

Whoops, sorry. :shame:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1164-2a.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1164-3.rar

Announcement in Diplomacy section

[FactionHeir]

You know, besides the Papacy and the Aztecs, the Hungarians are the last AI faction alive.... guess it will be a wait till Mongols :tnogue2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1164-5.zip

Poland is up.

News from Scotland: Nothing of great importance. Balanced budget, forces in defensive posture, training agents to defend the homeland.

News from Denmark:

We have dissolved the alliance with Sicily, and dispatched one of their "emissaries". We don't their spies posing as diplomats anywhere NEAR our lands.

[Ramses II CP]

Germany is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1166.zip

Announcement in the Diplomacy thread.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1166-1.rar


You know, besides the Papacy and the Aztecs, the Hungarians are the last AI faction alive.... guess it will be a wait till Mongols :tnogue2:

I guess Poland will get to have some fun. :shrug: As far as the rest of us...

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1166-2.zip)

[Smowz]

btw I am back and will take Scotlands goes once more.

Thanks to ATPG for taking my goes for me on late notice.

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1166-3.rar

[Smowz]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1166-4.rar

time for the Danes

[Ramses II CP]

Germany is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1168.zip

Lost one of my family members who was evidently attacked by rebels near Sarkel and killed rather than just retreated. :thumbsdown:

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

Are you sure it wasn't a Danish assassin? :grin:

[Askthepizzaguy]

IC-

Actually all my assassins are confined to my very, very small territory.

But Sicilian agents are not welcome and will be annihilated upon sight. Yes even your precious diplomats.

They and all other agents can be used as spies to scout my territory, and given Sicily's aggressive use of agents, it's only fair I play defensively. In short, stay the hell away from the North, untrustworthy one.

OOC- :2thumbsup:

I have to admit, it takes :juggle2: to challenge mighty Sicily, who is as powerful as all the others on the map combined. Sicily will win this game.



Apparently I have 3 balls.

[FactionHeir]

Meh, in game, Sicily's reputation is much better than Denmarks.

I actually think Poland will win because it has quite a few provinces more than Sicily and is less fragmented. Add to that, I converted most my castles into cities...

I think the only way Sicily would win is by agent warfare, not brute force. Btw, how's Denmark doing for navy? :wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Poland has admitted that 90% of its provinces are isolated, worthless, and making very little money. Meanwhile, your agents rule the map and are standing ready to annihilate your allies.

(you don't hide them very well.... :laugh4:)

Just the sheer volume I've seen alone makes me wonder just how many more there are... I've also seen your incredible armies and they are to be feared. They seem to be deployed in such a way as to cripple many factions at once in one huge strike.

As for the Danes, not only do they lack the finances, forces, and agents to take on Sicily, they have no navy to speak of. That may change, but I suspect that nothing I do at this point will prevent Sicily's eventual conquest of the map.

I mean I did kind of get :wall: :whip: :shame: :no: :thumbsdown: :oops: :furious3: when I handed all of the Danish conquests over to Scotland and Russia decided to chicken out from our war AFTER taking my land and handing it all to poland.

There are literally no options for Denmark. The only reason I exist is because Poland and Scotland like me.

:beam:


PS- my reputation is a result of a certain cheater.

;)

[FactionHeir]

I think I didn't actually make an effort to hide my agents. They just roam where there are rebels to train up :grin:

As for my armed forces, most of them were trained early on to get HQ guild buildings (got Hospitaller and swordsmith I think) and I haven't trained anything but militia recently. My Outremer holdings are pretty poorly defended actually.

Denmark still has potential I think. You are quite isolated overall and are difficult to attack unless I were to walk through Polish lands or land by ship. You also have a lot of forts to slow invasions down. I think you may still be able to get a blitz victory out there with some skill :tongue2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nope. Not unless everyone in the game suddenly decided to pump money into my Kingdom.

If that were the case, I'd crush you like a bug.

:clown:








lol... kidding, sir... kidding

[FactionHeir]

You could hypothetically speaking ally with the rest of the world and attack me...

[Ferret]

You guys all forgot that the Russians go into horde mode once their last settlement is lost. I have 20 stacks of elite, free upkeep men on the Northern edge of the map but I haven't decided who to side with yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm already allied with the rest of the world as a precaution against any possible first strike.


EDIT:
If I had 20 stacks of troops, I wouldn't care about their upkeep.

[FactionHeir]

Well, attack is the best defense.
What if my first strike is also your last defense? :grin:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1168-1.rar

[Cecil XIX]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1168-2.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1168-3.rar

[Smowz]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1168-4.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1168-5.zip

[Ramses II CP]

Germany is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1170.zip

My princess has been offered to the Sicilians to re-affirm our alliance and mutual good will. She has scholarly and a total of 4 charm, so she should make a decent marriage. Hopefully once she's off I'll get marriage offers on my non-royal daughters at last as all my regular family members are turning out to be chumps. :no:

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1170-1.rar

Spies from Scotland and Sicily kicked out of my settlements...

[Cecil XIX]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1170-2.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1170-3.rar

[Smowz]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1170-4.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1170-5.zip

It seems someone has forced my hand. I am afraid my lord, the Holy Roman Emperor will be upset that I had to break a promise to him.

My sincerest apologies, but I think you will see why it was necessary. Join me in the diplomacy thread.

I will accept the diplomatic consequences of my actions.

[Ramses II CP]

The Germans are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1172.zip

Was forced to decline your offer Ichigo, but I countered for a city which isn't so deep in my backfield, has the same income, and just a little lower population. If it isn't acceptable Edessa, Mosul, or Baghdad could also be yours, with some defenses already in place and my commitment to help you if the Mongols pop in there.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

I'm just trying to get some land, somewhere. I'll have the save back in a bit.

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1172-1.rar

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1172-2.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1172-3.rar

[Csargo]

My computer's gone, so looks like you'll have to find a replacement for me or split my territory amongst yourselves.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Should we just wrap this one up and declare a winner?

We've lost too many people lately, seems like half the empires in the game are hand-me-downs and most of the territory wasnt even earned properly.

We could just turn the HRE over to the computer. I honestly would protest more territorial hand-me-downs because it's seriously affecting the fairness of the game.

Just my two cents. Sorry to lose you, Ichigo.

[Cecil XIX]

I agree, the handmedowns ruined the game. I think at this point a winner can be safely declared.

[Ramses II CP]

I am content with it either way. Personally I thought the cheating mess was much worse than the hand-me-down territory (The five settlements I got from Russia have been a massive drain on my empire in reality, as there was literally nothing constructed in them and immediate, overwhelming public order problems due to distance and religion), but there does seem little to do other than wait for the Mongols and then watch everyone take me apart while I deal with them. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Ferret]

Hey stop badmouthing my Empire, Novgorod had fairly built up economy.

[Ramses II CP]

Yeah, for an Orthodox player with a capital in the region; when I got it it had a ~600 florin per turn mercenary garrison and made 650 florins per turn in income (Corruption and a nearby rebel army blocking a road), so over the first ten turns while I put up public order buildings, coverted the populace, and restructured the garrison it cost me probably around 1k florins per turn negative profit.

That's nothing compared to Ryazan and Moscow, both of which cost me more than that for longer than that just to get them in a non-rebellious state.

I'm not saying you did a bad job with Russia by any means, nor obviously would I refuse the gift, but what's good for Russia isn't automatically good for her benevolent overlords. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

If we declare a winner, they should have a majority of the #1 rankings in all the charts.

Territory, production, economy, army, etc.

Sicily is the likely winner.

edit: majority, or largest number of #1 rankings.

[FactionHeir]

I think while Poland was gifted many of its territories by France, it would still be a joint winner due to being bigger than Sicily and the marriage alliance kind of helps with that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you include your ally as a winner, what about your other allies?

Seems to me I'm the only once who comes out a loser here, since I'm no longer allied to Sicily.

:laugh2:

[Ramses II CP]

Err, I was gifted two territories by France, Smyrna and Iraklion. Sicily has a lot more formerly French territory than I have. I think I got five from EF, and lost one of them (Riga) due to trying to give it away to ATPG.

edit: I should make it clear I'm completely indifferent to whether or not I am declared the victor. The fact that Jerusalem is in Sicilian hands and is a victory condition for all remaining factions should be taken into account.

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

Actually Tristan gave me absolutely nothing. All the French territories I have are bought off Scotland or taken off AI Portugal.

[Askthepizzaguy]

yes, too right. I suppose Sicily won't get to see my master plan for utterly annoying them to death.

[Csargo]

I got four provinces from Tristan. Northern Italy and Marseilles.

I was number one in making money. Not sure how that happened.

[Askthepizzaguy]

so far as my agents could tell, you didnt have much of a standing army in the north. That helps.


Biggest expense of course is soldiers. It was tempting to try blitzing you, but even when I could get all my agents inside your cities and get 100% rates for opening gates, and I still had my huge army from the planned Russian invasion which didnt get off the ground, I knew a frontal assault would be suicide.

Scotland alone had a huge army at the time, and it would have been downright funny to watch them eliminate me in like 4 turns. Nevermind Poland or Sicily.

[Zim]

If I recall I sold you those, so they weren't all quite hand me downs (not direct ones, at least). :yes:


I got four provinces from Tristan. Northern Italy and Marseilles.

I was number one in making money. Not sure how that happened.

[Csargo]

No, I didn't have much of a standing army, well I didn't have a standing army at the end. I had two full stacks in the south at one point, but I sent one to Egypt and the other I disbanded I think. After that I didn't really need any kind of army to protect myself, since I didn't really feel threatened by anyone. I could have quickly recruited troops if I needed though.

FH: How did you beat me to Bruges? I didn't notice any units of your's that were close enough to make it to Bruges in one turn. I was so mad you beat me there, so annoying.


If I recall I sold you those, so they weren't all quite hand me downs (not direct ones, at least).

France gave me Milan and Venice, and I bought Marseilles and Genoa from you iirc.

[Zim]

France gave me Milan and Venice, and I bought Marseilles and Genoa from you iirc.

That's right, I think. :yes: I was strapped for cash at first, as Denmark had attacked me at the perfect moment (too bad he ruined it by cheating, he had a good chance of pushing me out of Britain).

[Askthepizzaguy]

is it safe to ask why he cheated now?

[Zim]

I have no idea. Since his ability to take multiple settlements in a single turn with no siege equipment and one spy seem to suggest he had started doing so before Tristan gave me any settlements, I'm guessing it wasn't a fear of losing the war.

If I were to hazard a guess I think he may have just been getting bored and wanted to stir things up by starting a war, and decided it would be cool to try out some of the cheats he had found.

[Askthepizzaguy]

thats lame.

That would be like me breaking into your house and stealing things because there was nothing good on tv.

:laugh4:

[Csargo]

He hasn't been around since then either, I don't believe.

[Zim]

I could be wrong, but I've met very many young people like him who cheated in online games for no more reason than that (a few who stole things from people's cars for that reason as well). :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

sounds like someone's parents should have bought them a game boy for christmas. :yes:

I understand if someone got desperate to win a game that their ethics might fail them, I suppose, but he started it and wasnt in a losing position, and cheated from get-go. I just cant fathom that kind of reasoning.

There's no reward at the end, no merit badge, its not like pulling a bank heist where there's some reward. Its ruining the enjoyment of a game for someone else for no reason. I just dont follow...

Ah well, I never understood people very well anyway.

[FactionHeir]

FH: How did you beat me to Bruges? I didn't notice any units of your's that were close enough to make it to Bruges in one turn. I was so mad you beat me there, so annoying.


Oh that. I had a diplomat nearby who bribed you town militias :grin:
That and I moved my frankish knights from the south up to right next to the walls.

Overall it took 2 turns.
The first I disbanded your siege force.
The second when you moved another stack there my frankish knights laid siege with my spy inside and got in.

[Ramses II CP]

It was just so frustrating when he started cheating. I mean, what's the point? There are at least a dozen major exploits built into the game anyway that you really have to actively avoid using just to play a fair hotseat in the first place. If you aren't capable of making the bare minimum of effort to do so, why get into these games?

I'd hoped and expected that having a reputation of sorts on The Org would tend to enforce good behavior, but of course it's easy to start over here, and when you're young those kinds of interdependant relationships just aren't as interesting I guess.

I soured on the whole thing at that point, and I admit I was tempted to be lame and give my provinces away too, but I don't like backing out on a commitment. I'm glad I stuck it out, but trying to get the Polish Empire into a workable state was an unpleasant grind by the end and I was actively looking forward to the Mongols (And the inevitable player invasion on the other side) bringing things to a head. If anyone cares to check, I had nearly zero standing army (I recruited a couple to make a run at Budapest), and I've had essentially no significant forces other than garrison troops since the first crusade.

:egypt:

[Smowz]

Given that you guys are talking about this game in the past tense... I wish to pass on my thanks for allowing me to join the game.

It certainly got me back into M2TW once again and hope to play a hotseat once again with you all again .

It seems most of you are in the Rising storm campaign and the all encompassing LotR game, so I am happy at least we have that to fall back on.

[atasch]

hey guys. im not a noob in the tw series, but definitely a noob for multiplayer campaings. could one of u take 5 min of ur tiem and quickly explain what fiels to cahnge, plz? thx

[phonicsmonkey]

Wow, this thread has been dead a looong time.

Well, you could start with this thread here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?116671-PBMs-A-guide and feel free to drop me a pm if you have any further questions