MTW2 Multiplayer Campaign

[FactionHeir]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132.zip

:egypt:



Frankly, seeing how this turns out, I may bail out at this point...


I think we need a neutral player to "clean up" France if Tristan is unwilling and quitting for a few turns.

[_Tristan_]

Go FH do any clean-up you want...

I'll play my shiny spotless new turn whenever you like...

EDIT : Meaning I'll finish my turn once you have put in the shape you want it to be...

[FactionHeir]

It might take more than a turn to do so without access to the console. Let me know how you want to have it handled and who should do the cleaning up.

[_Tristan_]

I would trust Ramses to do it... If he's OK... You might do it also if Ramses doesn't want to do it...

I would simply ask the subbing player to take steps towards the removal of all "surplus" generals then post the save to allow me to make the remaining moves and queueing of units and buildings...

EDIT : Ramses would be best as his turn comes just before mine and thus he could make the changes necessary before posting the save, hence gaining time for all of us...

[FactionHeir]

Sounds good to me, if Ramses agrees to it.

[Ramses II CP]

All right, just to be extremely clear before I do anything, I need to pick up Perrin Gassou, a new guy at Ragusa, and someone near Spain? I have not looked at the save for anyone's turn but my own, so I'm at a bit of a loss.

I won't move any other agents to look for any other information except exactly what's needed to balance things out. I'll take a screenshot of the family tree before and after, and post both, so everyone can see what's been done. I'll edit the shots down so there should be no other information revealed.

Will that bring things back onto an even keel? I'm going to load the save now and see if it's obvious what needs to be done.

:egypt:

[Ferret]

I still think we should post a pic of our minimap every 10 turns or so, I'm completely in the dark here in Russia, apart from the strange colours Turkey has become.

[Ramses II CP]

Actually since I don't know England's password I can't look at the game yet, so I'll just wait. :beam:

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

PM sent.
Those 3 and any others that may be in violation with the rule. Also note down if any of them have offspring and mark them for future killing.

[Ramses II CP]

Okay, Gassou has one son, Colet Gassou or something, he's 1 year old, it'll be a long time before he's a factor. I can kill the one near Spain this season, the one at Ragusa will take 4 turns approximately, assuming he has to travel by land to Corinth. There is a ship nearby that would make the journey slightly quicker.

Perrin Gassou himself is a problem because he's leading a large army of crusaders. If I send him south without the army the crusade will have to be completed this season, or those men will rebel. If I send him with the army, well, I don't think anyone would want that.

Before I do anything I'd like to know from Tristan if it's okay to send Perrin Gassou south towards the Palermo crossing by himself, and if it's okay to use the ship near Ragusa to transport that chap south.

After that I'll upload some screenshots and a save.

:egypt:

[Cecil XIX]

I still think we should post a pic of our minimap every 10 turns or so, I'm completely in the dark here in Russia, apart from the strange colours Turkey has become.

While I'm not opposed to that in principle, unless everyone agrees to it you'd be better of using Diplomats the old fashioned way. I'll send mine your way if you want, and you can send one towards me.

[_Tristan_]

Ramses, I'm OK with whatever needs to be done...

The Crusade should be over this season anyway... If the Spanish crusaders have reached Marrakech and should be over next turn at the latest...

Maybe you could auto-resolve the siege before sending Gassou south (or is that unfair ?) just to prevent mass desertion

[Ramses II CP]

The Spanish are at Marrakesh, and no desertion would actually occur until the end of next season. I just wanted to be careful not to mess anything up.

Okay, I'm on it now and I should have a save up in ~15 minutes. I'll pm you Tristan.

edit: Done:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132a.zip

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Here's a screenshot of the family as it exists after my first alteration. The guys in red circles are the ones that are to be eliminated, and one of them has already drowned at Gibraltar. The bottom one is aboard a ship south of Ragusa, heading for the crossing north of Corinth. He'll take two turns to kill off, I believe. The third one, Perrin Gassou, is marching down the eastern coastal road in Italy towards the crossing at Sicily. If the crusade ends it will take, at a guess, 4 turns to eliminate him.

http://lh6.google.com/RosDalton/R9vVm7IzRrI/AAAAAAAAKPQ/fyyx2nCPh3Q/s800/Frenchmen.JPG

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

What's the age of the sons and daughters there from those that were prohibited?

[Ramses II CP]

From what I can tell there's only a single son, the one at the very bottom, who is illegitimate. He's 1 year old, Colet Gassou.

His sister is Guillemete Gassou, and she was just born (age '0').

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

What about Simon de Provence's son? He was supposed to replace the general the previous player before Tristan lost, but as the lost general was a general and not a family member, the marriage in the family tree (its not a princess marriage) is illicit and while the general (now family member) is fine, his son isn't really.

[Ramses II CP]

Hmm, that seems like more of a gray area to me personally. Given that Tristan is losing a legitmate 'slot' for a son from his current Prince when Perrin Gassou goes I would rather leave the Provence boy and call it even.

Like I said though, it seems rather 'gray' so if there's a strong feeling either way from other players (Count you as one 'kill' vote and Tristan as one 'save' vote) I'd be inclined to go with what they wanted.

Edit: Actually I was looking at that wrong, I see what you mean FH. I'm still on the fence, it's a little counter-intuitive to be killing sons born to accepted generals.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

Count mine as a "kill" vote...

I might as well as swallow it to the bitter end...

Should have it played tomorrow..

[Ramses II CP]

All right, he is Richart de Provence, also 1 year old.

To sum up:

Godfrey de Paris is dead, at Gibraltar.

Perrin Gassou is on the east coastal road in Italy heading to the crossing onto Sicily.

Gilbert de Bourbon is aboard a ship south of Ragusa, heading to the Corinth crossing.

Colet Gassou is 1 year old. Richart de Provence is 1 year old. Guillemete Gassou has just been born. Guillemete is not to be married, and Colet and Richart face death sentences when they mature.

I'm going to assume Tristan won't mind me also making it clear that he has two legimate sons about to mature. (This can be edited out if you'd rather I not mention it.)

Are Prince Louis' two daughters allowed to marry when they mature? I don't think that's been addressed yet and they will get offers very quickly I'd imagine.

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

Prince Louis daughters should be fine, as will any sons the original King has.

[_Tristan_]

No, I'll make spinsters out of those girls and will garrote the two sons...

[Ferret]

heck why don't we just kill off the whole family tree? Then we wont have to worry whether we're killing the right ones.

[_Tristan_]

Save for HRE :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132-2.rar

And a few good surprises for some people when their turn comes...

[FactionHeir]

Either you took Rome or you won the game :tongue2:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132-3.rar

Spain's turn.

Wrong FH.

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's Up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132-5.zip

[Zim]

Russia's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132-6.zip

Big surprises this turn, and I don't mean Tran's invasion of Scotland.

[Ferret]

I bet there wont be any surprises for me :(

[_Tristan_]

There might have been... Had someone not taken care of my diplomat who should have reached you this turn...

(With looks at Ramses and Tran...)

[Ferret]

:laugh4:

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132-7.rar

[Ramses II CP]

There might have been... Had someone not taken care of my diplomat who should have reached you this turn...

(With looks at Ramses and Tran...)

Are you saying you lost a diplomat in Poland and didn't inform me? As an OOC matter I don't believe the Danes have assassins yet. Perhaps my spies have been too busy in the west, I'll have to move the ones I'm withdrawing from the Danes' lands back east...

:egypt:

[Tran]

Big surprises this turn, and I don't mean Tran's invasion of Scotland.
Nice. But I have surprises for everyone as well :verycool:

Anyway, I hope you don't mind. What's the fun playing Total War without any war? Just for your information, "Red Storm Rising" is happening as we speak.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132-8.zip

Now, it is :poland: turn

[Csargo]

You're attacking us all? This should be fun.

[Zim]

IC King Malcolm sees it as a cowardly dispicable act, an opinion apparently shared by most of Denmark's neighbors.

OOC, while knowing you're not above attacking an ally out of the blue will certainly have an effect on how I'll relate to you in any hotseat games we play together, I certainly won't be holding any grudges because you attacked a fictional Kingdom I took control of far into a game. :clown:

You picked the perfect time to strike. :yes: Another turn or two and I'd be able to afford to protect my territory thanks to Scotland's new acquisitions. As it was, I was still penniless and with a largely stripped military.


Nice. But I have surprises for everyone as well :verycool:

Anyway, I hope you don't mind. What's the fun playing Total War without any war? Just for your information, "Red Storm Rising" is happening as we speak.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132-8.zip

Now, it is :poland: turn

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1134test.zip

Tristan this save is called 'test' for a reason. I loaded your save to deal with the generals and you had a number of scrolls that required feedback at the start. I didn't answer any of them, just moved them aside and went on with the wet work. Anyway, Gilbert de Bourbon is dead. Perrin Gassou needs another two turns before he can take a swim.

If it turns out that the scrolls aren't there when you load the save I have a save before I loaded yours and I'll upload that one so we can progress from there.

I think that covers everything that's not fit for the Dip thread.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

I wish you had done the same last turn so that I could ally with the Turks... (or at least negociate trade rights)... But that would not have been in your favour, siege and all...:whip:

Will check now...

[_Tristan_]

Sorry for the double post but it is just for visibility...

I've checked and received two scrolls... Was there more of them ?

Any other diplomatic proposal that went missing ?

[Ramses II CP]

I think there was one other, a marriage proposal for the guy I killed. :laugh4:

I'll check in a few minutes, but for now I think you can safely disregard. As far as the Turks, I couldn't figure out how to get their offer to reduce so I could actually play the game. In the end I couldn't see any way for you to benefit from their offer, so I declined it and forgot about it. I didn't have any of their cities under siege last season (Yerevan had already been taken) so it didn't benefit me either way, and I won't be able to siege Edessa or Mosul until next season, which I would've done without regard to their alliances.

edit: I should also point out that my password has been posted since effectively the start of the game, so anyone who wanted to check the things I was saying would be able to do so.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

Will get to it this afternoon... Have to take the child to the hospital this morning...

[_Tristan_]

Turn done :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1134-2.rar

[Ferret]

Will get to it this afternoon... Have to take the child to the hospital this morning...
hopefully nothing serious...

[_Tristan_]

No, nothing serious, some medical check-up...

Thanks for inquiring...:bow:

[Csargo]

Good to hear Tristan

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1134-3.rar

[Tran]

I wonder where's Cecil?

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1134-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1134-5.zip

[Zim]

I think I'm about to get hijacked into painting some eggs, but will still get the save up well within the 48 hour limit.

[Tran]

I think I'm about to get hijacked into painting some eggs, but will still get the save up well within the 48 hour limit.
Alternatively, you can just admit that you have been defeated by the mighty Danes so that we can proceed smoothly :deal2: :verycool:

[Zim]

Hey guys, I may have run into a problem. A diplomatic offer given to me by another faction didn't show up when I started my turn. Can anyone confirm if there are any bugs that show up regarding diplomacy in hotseat games?

[Zim]

*bump*

Is there some way to figure out if this is a bug? Another palyer I talked to suggested that someone could pick up the turn before mine, just hit end turn, and start the Scottish one to see if the diplomatic scroll comes up this time.

[FactionHeir]

Well, I had that issue too a few turns back when France said they offered me marriage but it never came up until I offered instead.

After finishing the turn and uploading it, I reloaded to figure that one out and noticed that if I clicked accept without considering one offer I had from the AI, another offer that got bumped off (not the French one though) popped up. So yeah, there seems to be issues with several scrolls wanting to pop up. Not a big deal though.

[Zim]

It's at least a moderately big deal in this case, since time was a factor. :clown:

Anyway, I'm going ahead and finishing the turn, will be up shortly.


Well, I had that issue too a few turns back when France said they offered me marriage but it never came up until I offered instead.

After finishing the turn and uploading it, I reloaded to figure that one out and noticed that if I clicked accept without considering one offer I had from the AI, another offer that got bumped off (not the French one though) popped up. So yeah, there seems to be issues with several scrolls wanting to pop up. Not a big deal though.

[Zim]

Russia's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1134-6.zip

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1134-7.rar

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1134-8.zip

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136.zip

I checked and it's not necessary for me to take any action with Perrin Gassou this season as long as you don't take him off his path, so you'll have to put England's PW in again Tristan. :beam: Feel free to make Perrin walk towards the crossing, or just let the AI handle it at the end of the turn. :shrug:

I think I know exactly what happened to Zim's Scotland, as he posted above, and I'm going to explain it to him via pm before I elucidate here, if necessary.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

It seems there is a bug with the diplomacy as I didn't get an offer that was confirmed by PM... This is getting quite bothersome...

Anyway save for HRE is here :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-2.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-3.rar

Spain's up.

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-5.zip

[Zim]

Russia's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-6.zip

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-7.rar

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-8.zip
:poland:

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138.zip

Tristan you have two offers at the start of your turn, one of which I can't shrink to drown Perrin, so I'd appreciate it if you finished him off for me and I'll confirm it next season. That'll be the last time I have to check your save for about another 30 turns, as Colet and Richart are both 2.

Perrin Gassou is almost at the toe of Italy, so drown him in the crossing at Sicily and I'll confirm next season and that whole mess can be put behind us. :beam:

edit: BTW since diplomacy seems wonky, I accepted a Sicilian offer to exchange maps, and made the same offer to the Russians.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

Sorry but I will need a bit more time... Things have come up in RL...

Should have it up tonite... Really sorry, but it can't be helped...

[FactionHeir]

Already 15 hours behind schedule. Tonight would likely be around 24h :inquisitive:

The save is open for the next player in line to skip if they get to it before you do.

[_Tristan_]

Fine with me...

[_Tristan_]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-2.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-3.rar

Spain's turn

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-5.zip

[Ramses II CP]

All right, it's time to raise another potentially unpleasant matter just as we're wrapping up the French one. There have been oddities in the war between the Scots and the Danes. I hope there is some reasonable explanation for them, but I haven't been able to find one.

In specific I have to ask Tran how he captured London last turn using an army that was out of movement. I have checked the save Tran was working from (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-7.rar) and I cannot find any legitimate way to get the army which is aboard ship east of London to move and capture that city, yet by checking Scotland's save I can confirm that army is the one now currently in the city.

If anyone else would like to do their own tests to confirm I will pm them the Danish password, except I would ask France and Scotland not to look so as not to take undue advantage of OOC information.

The second matter is the assassination of the Scottish King, which took place under somewhat unusual circumstances. I have confirmed that Tran could not have been responsible for this act. If another player was responsible please send me a PM regarding it; the information will be held in absolute confidence and to the best of my abilities won't influence King Wladyslaw in any way.

Until these two questions, at the very least, are answered I don't think the game should proceed as there's no way to predict what might go wrong next.

:egypt:

[Tran]

editted...

[Ferret]

are you admitting that you have been cheating? No one said you had we just need you to explain how that happened.

[Ramses II CP]

All I have done is ask for an explanation. If there's a legitmate way to make the moves you've made, explain it and the matter is closed.

I will point out that my password has been posted publically from the start and anyone is welcome to ask similar questions about my own moves from any stage of the game. In fact when it was discovered that I had, by inattention, broken the rules myself I admitted it immediately and moved to fix the problem as quickly as possible. I expect no less of any participant in this game.

:egypt:

[Tran]

editted....

[Ferret]

well seeing as Ramses is the neutral investigator I think he should be th one you tell.

[Tran]

editted...

nothing to see here, move along...

[Ramses II CP]

Maybe you should go ahead and explain exactly what happened before you dig the hole any deeper Tran. Whomever you tell is going to end up telling me, and frankly I don't care in the slightest if it's 'sensitive.' The only excuse I'll accept for secrecy is if some other faction is helping you and doesn't wish to be revealed. If that's the case, send me the information via private message.

If that is not the case, then anything you have to say you should be able to say before us all. If what you're doing is legitimate and not an exploit then there should be no problem with everyone doing it. If it is not legitimate then anyone else who does so will also be called to account.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

No word from our self-appointed GM on the matter ?

[Ramses II CP]

I've spoken to FH and he's confirmed that he knows of no legitimate way to use those troops to capture London, nor does it seem likely that a foreign assassin was involved, though that possibility can't be completely ruled out.

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

Just a thought but could he have caused the city to revolt with tons of spies and then bribed the newly rebel city? :book:

*nevermind, Ramses did say that the army in the city was an original army that moved.

Is there a crusade on? Could that have done it? Or would the troops still be marked as on a broken crusade?

[Ramses II CP]

Send me a PM and I'll forward you the save and password so you can check the situation out PK. As Tran appears reluctant if anyone can explain the movement I'd be very curious to hear it.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

nor does it seem likely that a foreign assassin was involved, though that possibility can't be completely ruled out.

:egypt:

Sensing all heads turning his way on the mention of assassins.

I have nothing to do with that as Zim might confirm, seeing how we worked hand in hand towards Scottish restauration... :no:

[Privateerkev]

Send me a PM and I'll forward you the save and password so you can check the situation out PK. As Tran appears reluctant if anyone can explain the movement I'd be very curious to hear it.

Unfortunately I'm at work. Then I have some stuff I have to do at school.

I'm just curious. The console is disabled as far as I know. I'm trying to figure out how he did it.

This might sound like a weird question but is the year the correct year? It's a long shot but he could have played his turn, hit end turn, gone through everyone's turn without moving anything, and then played another turn. This would require him to have every single password though so it is a loooooooooooong shot.

[Ramses II CP]

Same year, no crusade, console is confirmed disabled. The troops in question had been forced to retreat onto ships during this turn, and so they had 0 movement when Tran's turn started. Despite having no ability to move, they were in place in London by the time the next year started. The only turns between Tran's and France's, when I can confirm that army is in place, are mine (During which obviously nothing happened) and England's, with England being eliminated.

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

Is Tran the first person of the turn? If that is true, then he gets his MP back because it is a new turn.

In this way, the 1st person in a hotseat has a massive advantage because they never ever lose MP from being attacked on other turns.

[Ferret]

IIRC Tran is near the back, after me even.

[Ramses II CP]

He's second to last, right in front of me, Poland. When I say his men were out of movement, I mean I loaded his save and tried to move those actual men every way I could think of, to no avail.

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

He's second to last, right in front of me, Poland. When I say his men were out of movement, I mean I loaded his save and tried to move those actual men every way I could think of, to no avail.

:egypt:

then I'm basically out of ideas. maybe you can talk to Tosa. he talks to the CA guys sometimes. He's helped me out with console questions before. Find out if there is some sort of command that can be done or way to hack the console.

Or a game mechanic that could be used to get those guys from where they were, to where they ended up.

sorry. :oops:

[Ramses II CP]

No worries. :shrug: I mean, we have the guy who did it here. There is no valid reason not to explain these actions at the very least via private message, so if he cannot do so he'll be expelled from the game and replaced. Any explanation he provides is subject to me loading up the save and checking to see that it works with my unaltered copy of MTW2.

As I've said at the start of all the hotseat games, the briefest search of these forums would reveal at least a dozen exploits that would completely destroy the fun of hotseat play. An unscrupulous person could, in just a few minutes, create a mod to make his armies nearly invincible, play his turn with it, and none of us would be the wiser.

We have to trust each other not to abuse that kind of silliness, and we have to be open with each other about our actions. If Tran isn't capable of that it was a mistake for him to commit himself to the game. No hard feelings, just time for him to move along.

:egypt:

[Tran]

editted...

[Ramses II CP]

To be absolutely clear, you're admitting to cheating and withdrawing yourself from the game? The only answer I care about is yes or no.

Let me reiterate that no matter how uber-cool destruco-super-bomb you think your cheat is, there are a dozen more of them any jerk could search up on this forum to wreck hotseat games. It is only personal restraint and good character that allows MTW2 hotseats to be played at all.

My personal preference is that you post your yes or no to the above question and depart quietly.

:egypt:

[Zim]

Crap. It's pretty much confirmed then. I don't want to slow things down.

Losing my King like that put me in a pretty bad situation, as my only other FM is in a tight spot. I did receive an adoption offer at the start of the turn. Maybe I could take it to make up for the King lost?

As for London, if the army in it was disbanded on Denmark's next turn I could retake it easily.

Anyway, I'll go along with whatever FactionHeir thinks is the best way to continue. :yes:

[FactionHeir]

Hmm when does your next son come of age? If your current last member doesn't even have any, then I think it would be fair to allow an exception in terms of adopting 1 family member only as yours was lost due to exploiting by another player who was banned.

That said, we need to decide over the fate of Denmark. We can either find a new player for it or we can kill off the faction. Either way, I think Zim should probably get London back.

Alternatively, and this is just a thought, we could of course turn back time to Denmark's turn and continue from there if all players are fine with it. Then there will be no adoption and other cheats in play either.

[Zim]

The assassinated king has one son (and no daughters), 2 years old. I also have a 3 year old son by another character. My sole remaining adult FM is in a bad position, and could very possibly be killed by next turn.

I'd say play on from this turn if possible, since I know how long it can take to get some 7 or so turns.

[_Tristan_]

Frankly, seeing how things have turned out, I would allow Zim an adoption of a new family member.

And I wonder what got into Tran to try something like that ?

I may not be all white in this hotseat (adoptions and such...) but at least it was in plain view at all times for everybody to notice, my PW is posted somewhere in this thread, and I truly had no intention of "cheating", I just played the way I play in SP without thinking further...

[Tran]

You can forget about all the crazy rants on this thread over the last 24 hours. I simply picked bad times to post. I did use certain techniques to do the “impossible” like moving army out of the way, making ships walk on water, etc. To end this peacefully, I have decided to pull out from this hotseat. I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and hope no one take any of those craziness personally :bow:

[Ramses II CP]

In truth I prefer the solution of turning back time over an adoption. There's no way to know if there are other consequences of Tran's actions (Just as there is no way to know how extensively the exploit was abused). Asking Tran that question would clearly just invite more time wasting bragging about his leet cheetz. :wall:

If we turn back time we can be sure the worst, or at least most obvious, abuse is corrected and we don't have to allow an adoption. Of course I'll go with the majority decision if it is otherwise.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

I'm fine with going back as it will not affect anything I've done...

[Ferret]

going back will affect everyone wont it? Except me and Scotland.

[Ramses II CP]

I think what Tristan means is that he didn't fight any even odds battles or such, where the outcome of a second run might not be the same. It wouldn't make any difference to Poland either.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

I think what Tristan means is that he didn't fight any even odds battles or such, where the outcome of a second run might not be the same. It wouldn't make any difference to Poland either.

:egypt:

Yes that's it... Not much done last turn, so thre is really no harm in going back...

Whichever you prefer...

[Csargo]

I'm fine with that.

[Ramses II CP]

I'm going to post for a replacement in the Recruitment thread so we can get moving again.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Volunteered.

I swear on my honour I won't cheat or use exploits. I'm familiar with the rules already.

I would be willing to discuss peace terms with anyone I'm at war with. Let's just say the old king died and his heir is more reasonable.

I would ask that I use the entire 48 hours for my turn the first time, so I can send the appropriate diplomatic messages to other states after reviewing my situation. I would also ask that I get to view the situation (i.e. open the file), send my diplomatic messages, and then play the turn before the 48hours is up.

[Ramses II CP]

If you'd like to take a look at the situation this is the save we're going forth from:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-7.rar

I'll pm you the password. Zim is Scotland, Tristan is France, and Elite Ferret is Russia. Those a the big three you'll probably want to contact after you have a look around.

Thanks for voluteering ATPG, good to have you (Assuming you want to stay after you see the situation :beam: )

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

We've delayed long enough at this point that I'm not too concerned about a time frame as long as the game eventually starts moving again. A full 48 hours would be absolutely fine with me. :yes:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Greetings my friends,

I am awaiting replies from Scotland and Russia. If they accept my proposals, then I will finish my turn immediately.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm tempted to just end my turn...

I'd like to hear from these guys before I make my moves... but if I make the moves and there is no peace agreement, I could be really screwing myself.

Bah... You've all waited long enough. I know some of you will say "take your time" but I'd rather keep things moving.

If I don't get a peace deal, then damn my enemies, I'll go down fighting, like an honourable warrior should.

I will make a post in the IC thread, and then post my save file.

[Ramses II CP]

FYI you'll have to change the naming convention slightly because uploads cannot replace files. I suggest just adding an a.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not sure I follow... there's already a turn posted for this game, I take it?

Ok will have an A at the end.

[Ramses II CP]

What you're playing now is the same turn that Tran used massive exploits to win battles and assassinate the Scottish king. We played forward after that point for about 4 people's nations before we realized the full extent of what he had done, so we're backing up to erase the worst damage.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1136-7a.sav

I won't comment on how despicable that is...

Sorry the thing wasn't in a .zip file... I would upload a .zip but it's already there and it would just add more space.

Who is next in line? I need to PM them.

[Ramses II CP]

Consider me pm'd. I'm next. :)

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way, if I can just say OOC:

I am doing everything possible to restore the game to how it was before Tran damaged it. Because I hate cheaters. I want to do it in such a way that saves face for everyone, and doesn't commit total suicide for Denmark. I've already gotten myself excommunicated just so Scotland can have Edinburgh back.

Please bear with me. This is an extraordinary mess. But I will fix it, trust me.

If you believe me to be an honourable player, then just allow me to leave scotland with dignity and all will be well, I stake my reputation on it OOC. It appears from the save file that certain settlements were taken in one turn WITHOUT SEIGE EQUIPMENT.

Total cheat. I'm doing what needs to be done, for the sake of sportsmanship.

:bow:

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138a.zip

Tristan you'll have to drown Perrin Gassou again to tidy that mess up, which will allow me not to have to load your save. Appreciated.

:egypt:

[Zim]

SOme OOC of my own:

I appreciate it, and share your sentiment regarding cheaters (*even when they're not cheating against me! :clown: ). Disregard any attitutde from the Scottish King. He has survived a rather brutal attack on his Kingdom. OOC I'm shocked just to have a chance to take things to a prewar position, and it greatly restores my belief in the integrity of the average TW gamer to hear you insist on doing so.

*Bad joke aside, I'd actually be even angrier if it were someone else the cheating affected.


By the way, if I can just say OOC:

I am doing everything possible to restore the game to how it was before Tran damaged it. Because I hate cheaters. I want to do it in such a way that saves face for everyone, and doesn't commit total suicide for Denmark. I've already gotten myself excommunicated just so Scotland can have Edinburgh back.

Please bear with me. This is an extraordinary mess. But I will fix it, trust me.

If you believe me to be an honourable player, then just allow me to leave scotland with dignity and all will be well, I stake my reputation on it OOC. It appears from the save file that certain settlements were taken in one turn WITHOUT SEIGE EQUIPMENT.

Total cheat. I'm doing what needs to be done, for the sake of sportsmanship.

:bow:

[_Tristan_]

Ichigo once more :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-2a.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-3a.rar

Cecil's turn

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-4a.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-5a.zip

[Zim]

Russia's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-6a.zip

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-7.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

Problem fellas: The diplomacy isnt working and the grand peace deal with Zim is impossible until the game moderator opens the file and forces the deal.

In the meantime, I guess I have no choice but to set all of England ablaze...
:devil:

[FactionHeir]

There is no moderator. The game was created without console. Diplomacy can be tricky, but just do it the next year or propose it using your own diplomats this year.

[Askthepizzaguy]

GAH!!!

My own diplomats are out of range!

Very well... but we will not allow this outrageous war to continue. We will offer the same terms to the Scottish via counteroffer and hope it works. We wish to renew our alliance with the Danes. Their king married my King's daughter. The Scots are our family and I will not permit this blood feud to destroy our ties. Would that I not have to see my daughter choose between her father and her husband.

By the way I have to go to work and it will be several hours before my lunch break. where I will drive home and play my turn, and then drive back.

Mmmm.... actually moving the game along.... sweet.

[Ferret]

did you get my offer?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes I got the offer but I had to make a counter-offer. I was unwilling to just hand over riga without some compensation. I reduced my asking price to 1500 instead of 2000, but your armies in the vicinity are not welcome if this offer is unacceptible.

Peace will prevail if you accept our generous offer. :bow:

As for Scotland, I am going to make a counter-offer and I hope it is accepted on their part (since their offer reached us but we could not push the accept button).

We are slightly altering their terms, because we offered you riga, and to prevent further problems via diplomacy, we are offering you riga directly and cancelling the offer of riga to scotland which they would then exchange to you. And so we are reducing the asking amount of compensatory florins (which they freely volunteered) from 12000 to 11000 on their part, and including Dublin in the deal and any other formerly scottish provinces.

One quick deal will create the peace we all want. Hopefully further diplomatic problems will not plague us.

If my terms are for some reason unacceptible... nevermind. Let's just focus on the peace aggreement. No reason to create problems where none presently exist.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1138-8.zip

Poland is up.

All the above deals have been offered. I may have to offer Dublin seperately, but I will simply hand it over to Scotland if they ask for it next turn, assuming the aggreement goes through.

[Ferret]

I don't see why I would pay 1500 florins for a town when I could easily just take it...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then I don't see why I should not declare war on you immediately.

:yes:

The rewards of taking Riga will pale in comparison to the backlash you will receive from the full force of Danish arms. Taking any of our provinces through violence will condemn your entire nation to an untimely death.

I would caution you to accept the peace deal, as my alliance with Poland is still active, and I am no longer at war with Scotland.

Denmark will not be bullied.

[Ferret]

Please attack all you like, even you will struggle to blitz across my lands without the benefits of a crusade. I have better military than you and Poland has been my ally for longer, I doubt he'd perticularly want to get involved. I would give you 1000 florins for Riga if you wont accept that then I shall take it with force, I'm getting bored of all the peace in cold, lonely Russia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then prepare to meet your death against the cold steel of my axe.

[Ferret]

okay, I wouldn't be that bothered about being knocked out of this hotseat, I haven't exactly done much. But let it be known that once again it is Denmark who is the aggressor, you could just settle for 1000 florins if you do not wish to be wiped out.

[Zim]

Scotland completely washes her hands of this war, but would like to renew her offer to pay the Danes the price they are seeking from Russia for Riga to prevent it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

IC-

You filthy Russian lying traitor!

HERE is proof of YOUR aggression. Do not pawn the cause of this war onto us. Any other nation would have killed these invaders already.

https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/Russiantraitor.jpg

If you are testing my patience, Russian, I have none left with you.

I will deal with you in several hours, as I have matters of state to attend to.

[Ferret]

That army was there before you took over and when we were (or nearly were) at war, I then found out that you would gift Riga to me for peace and so I left the army there. Its presence is not a sign of war.

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140.zip

I can confirm that Perrin Gassou is dead.

As far as the war between the Danes and the Russians King Wladyslaw will take no part in it unless matters get out of hand. The King is a chivalrous man (Well, except for the fact that he's now had to recruit a dozen or so spies, running his reputation into the ground) and does not wish to see war on any front except the one against the Turks.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

HRE's up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140-2.rar

[Cecil XIX]

Wait, Prince Miroslav has the same portrait as Dieter Bresch?

[Ferret]

they are very similar but not the same. In fact they are so similar that at first I used Miroslav's one as my .org avatar as I did not realise Bresch had a slightly different one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That army was there before you took over and when we were (or nearly were) at war, I then found out that you would gift Riga to me for peace and so I left the army there. Its presence is not a sign of war.

No.... it was NOT there last turn, and I played the last turn. You clearly moved it closer to my territory. It was not at my gates.

IC-

More lies, Russian? Just who do you think you're dealing with anyway? I'm not a child who is fooled by such paper-thin fabrications.

You had designs on Denmark before I took over, yes, but when I took over your armies were not at my doorstep. Don't continue to mask your blatant aggression with insults to my intelligence.

I doubt there can be peace now. Take Riga with your invasion force, and it will seal your fate as a doomed faction. Were I able to cancel my diplomatic offer towards you, at this point, I would most certainly like to.

Let the lies of the Russian be known to the entire assembly. Their forces have trespassed onto rightful Danish land and they come bearing demands, not offers of peace. They threaten to attack us and then accuse US of being the aggressors! Surely they must be mad.

This is after my deal with the Scottish is all but concluded to pull me completely out of my friend and ally's land after the previous king went insane and I had to put him out of his misery. Surely there must be some bitter feelings there, but since all we asked for is peace and an honourable withdrawl, our current King cannot be called a warlike man. We even offered the Russians the province they desire for the embarrassingly low price of 2000 florins, and they refused, then 1500, and they refused and now sit at our gates making demands when they are not our allies and they have no military access in our lands. They've already caused riots amongst the Rigans who now fear for their lives.

I ask all spectators here; WHO is the aggressor? The Russians who invade and threaten us at our doorsteps, or the Danes who have no designs on Russia and even offered to cede them territory.

These warlike barbarians must be put to their timely deaths now. If my allies will not back me, that is their decision, and I bear them no hard feelings. But please do not interfere or support the Russians in this war, or we will rightly take it as an insult and an act of war. Please remain neutral and allow us to defend ourselves.

Any financial assistance would be appreciated, but unlike the Russians, we do not make demands of our friends and neighbors! Volunteer to help, or please stay neutral, that is all we ask.

This discussion will be continued in the Diplomacy thread.

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140-3.rar

Spain's turn

[Ferret]

It seriously was at your gates, just in the forest right next to Riga. A third party can pick up my save from last turn and check if they want.

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140-5.zip

[Zim]

New save will be up shortly. In the meantime, could someone tell me how to become reconciled with the pope?

I think I'm the most popular heretic King in catholic history. :clown:

https://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8837/image001ij9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

[Zim]

Russia's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140-6.zip

I have noticed the diplomatic option to become reconciled, but it doesn't seem like anything is enough for the pope, even with Very Good relations.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Actually, in the other hotseat as England, I have perfect relations and I'm still not reconciled.

Best bet is to kill your king. That should do it.
...What's that?

I'm being told that you shouldn't kill your king. Apparently it's not nice.

[Zim]

With the no adoption rule I don't think it would be a good idea. I have few enough family members as is. :clown:

Guess I have to wait for the pope to die..

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or you could kill the Pope.
...What's that?

I'm being told that you shouldn't kill the Pope. Apparently it's not nice.

[Zim]

Even my innocent agents (like diplomats) disappear in Italy, I'm not too keen on an assassin war.

[Ferret]

better get killing me Denmark:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140-7.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sirs, I have a college quiz I must take. Give me a few hours. Thanks!

:denmark:

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140-8.zip

Hey there, Polish ally, flying so high and fancy free...

I have an announcement to make:

Scotland's lands have been returned to them peacefully. I am a man of my word, and an honourable one at that. Secondly, the Russians have declared war on us without cause or justification. The Danes will now utterly obliterate them from the map. Any objections, public or private, will be heard by the honourable Danish King.

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1142.zip

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

HRE :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1142-2.rar

[Ferret]

eagerly awaiting my obliteration :yes:

time to experience the blitzmaster first hand.

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1142-3.rar

Spain's up

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1142-4.zip)

[Askthepizzaguy]

eagerly awaiting my obliteration :yes:

time to experience the blitzmaster first hand.

OOC- Don't give me too much credit. Any idiot can easily KO the computer. I expect you will put up a much greater fight. You will probably be able to win if I fall into a trap. I'm not exactly experienced with these hotseats.

If and when you best me in battle, I'll tip my hat to you, sir. I might be good against the computer, but good against the living is something totally different, and I'm still a NOOB in that regard. Don't let me win, either! Bring on everything you've got. I play on VH/VH all the time because I want the computer to hurt me. I'm playing against humans so they can hurt me more. Beat me for God's sakes.

The Lemongate is nearing victory against me in the Broken Crescent Hotseat. Fight well, and you will too.

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1142-5.zip

[Ferret]

well I think I am one of the worst players at these hotseats and because of the Russians crapness in autoresolve and the fact that I can't train anything better than woodsmen atm leaves my chances of winning pretty slim.

[Zim]

Russia's up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1142-6.zip

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1142-7.rar

someone is in for a surprise this turn...

[Zim]

Hey everyone, I've been having a lot of trouble keeping up with all of the hotseats I'm in lately. It's not so much an issue of being able to complete the turns, but devoting the proper amount of time to diplomacy, considering the best course of action for my faction, etc.

Because of this, I have been talking to TuffStuffMcGruff about taking over the faction. He's been fully apprised of Scotland's diplomatic situation and obligations. :yes:

[Csargo]

bump

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh jeez... did I get a pm? I swear I didnt get a pm regarding the Danes. And I've been having issues at the Org... no emails getting sent out anyway


EDIT: Turn completed, uploading

A shame... I could have had this done two days ago.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1142-8.zip

Uploaded. Poland is up I believe. if I remember which turn order this hotseat goes in. Ramses has been private messaged. Only took 13 minutes for two days worth of waiting... :no:

[Ferret]

sorry...I'm stuck in the habit of not having to PM for Tran. I will do in the future.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Although the irony of having to wait so long for a guy who's been sitting around twiddling his thumbs for two days is so thick you can cut it with a Danish Axe, I'm sure everyone's gotten over it. I'm going to make a habit of checking the threads anyway just to make sure I didn't miss anything. But definitley private message me, and if for some reason I haven't posted in 24 hours (RARE) please send an email directly to askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com

There should be no further delays in the future. Thanks everyone for their patience, and don't worry about it EF.

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1144.zip

Your offer was accepted EF. Riga has been offered back to the Danes in the condition it was in when I got it. It seems there shouldn't need to be a war after all, although the Danish inspector currently moving through my lands east of Stettin is welcome to confirm this.

I'm heading out of town this weekend, but I won't be out of touch. When I get a less busy moment I'll try to put something IC together.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Danish ambassador immediately issues a statement in the diplomacy thread

:denmark:

[Ferret]

you are also invited to take Moscow by force next turn, it will be empty.

I hereby announce my official withdrawal from this game. Sorry we couldn't have our war ATPG but the exams are looming ever closer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As the Black Knight who always triumphs, even without arms or legs, might say:

Running away eh? You yellow bastard! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!

As an OOC matter, it will be a shame to lose you, and it will personally give me no pleasure to conquer a defenseless Russia. If you're trying to make me look bad, you've succeeded... Better at least let the AI control the faction, or if someone would volunteer to attempt to save Russia from certain death, by all means I don't care who you are, give me a good fight.

[Ramses II CP]

He gifted all his territories to me, so I guess in a sense I'm defending Russia now, with a bunch of freebie peasants and sundry other oddball units. I wasn't sure if you wanted Moscow or not EF, so I'm not entirely sure I'll have anything in range. I'll snag it eventually I suppose.

All hail Poland, owners of the most useless and dangerous lands in the known world! If anyone else has ten provinces that make less than 500 florins a turn I'll trade you! All my energy will be spent preparing for the Mongols now, so, err, please don't invade? :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now that the enemy has run away in disgrace... and surrendered his lands to our ally in a move so stunning that we are still reeling... We have to re-assess our position with Poland. An immediate and private meeting is requested with the Polish ambassador, as we consider this move to be a direct insult to the people of Denmark.

We feel betrayed by our allies who, out of all the Russian provinces, offer us only riga? This is after we have peacefully withdrawn from the British Isles?

:viking:

[Ferret]

lol sorry to put the pressure on you but I could hardly offer them to the Danes could I :clown:

Tis a shame, I wanted to see the blitzmaster in action. I still need to find a sub for the BC and GC2 hotseats as well...I'll ask Zim. If Tristan gets his act together then I wont have to worry about my Teutonic turn.

[Ramses II CP]

Err, isn't Riga the only one of them you used to own? I was going to write it up as King Wladyslaw converting the Russian King to Catholicism, after which he swears fealty and goes into internal exile or something similar. I didn't exactly conquer Russia in a war. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Our response in the diplomacy thread

[Ramses II CP]

Doh! Another war? The bloody Mongols will eat me alive now, plus I just pulled my army out of Thorn.

Eh, well, I knew what position Poland was in when I took them. :shrug:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

We have not declared war on you, Poland. Such a move would destroy the Danish people. Surely I would be defeated in battle just Denmark versus Poland, but if I were to renounce our alliance and become an aggressor against the Polish people who are innocent in this matter, I would be betraying my principles as the honourable King Knud II.

And surely other nations would join in the pile as well against our nation. I am therefore left with no other choice but to tip my king and retire to the sanctuary of an isolated castle above the arctic circle, my dreams and hopes of conquest shattered, but my honour intact.

Let it be known that the Danish people themselves are honourable, but outraged at these events. Our borders are now closed to all and all diplomats are being recalled, and our merchants have been advised to return home. The Danish ambassador at the court has been recalled. We are now to live out our lives in peace, unmolested.

[Ferret]

sounds a bit boring...:clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah probably. But with several players all having left the game, some voluntarily, some not, and with two factions on both of my flanks benefitting from this, both becomming superpowers, and with no realistic way of challenging central Europe, and having no allies I can trust, there is nothing more I can do.

I won't surrender, but I won't commit suicide either. I will remain in the North until the Mongols come, and do what I can to assist my friends. I have no intention of turning my back on Poland.

[Ramses II CP]

Err, not turning your back on me? Poland has been nothing but honorable, and King Wladyslaw has, even in the face of provocation, refused to invade any of his neighbors. Rest assured, I didn't bully Russia, and I won't bully anyone else. The so called Super Power is a collection of, literally, all the trash provinces in the game except Arguin, Jedda, and Timbuktu.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

HRE's up :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1144-2.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1144-3.rar

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1144-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1144-5.zip

[ICantSpellDawg]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1144-6.rar

Russia's up

[Csargo]

Are we skipping Russia's turn?

[Askthepizzaguy]

might just as well. They;ve resigned and soon they will be a Polish province.

As for "I won't turn my back on Poland" that was meant to be a sign of friendship, not the other meaning.

[Ferret]

yeah skip if you want.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thusly skipped.

Russia is done... Denmark is done...

and Poland is up. http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1144-8.zip

[FactionHeir]

If Ramses in not playing within the next 4 hours, his turn will be skipped.

[FactionHeir]

France: http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1146-1.zip

Ramses has 1 hour to upload a new save from time of this post. Any save posted thereafter will not be accepted.

[Ramses II CP]

As long as no one has any announcements to make about sudden wars, we should proceed from that save. I had a difficult day of travel getting home and I'm wiped. :shrug:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

None to my knowledge, Ramses Trojan Magnum Sheik. As promised, I dinnae declare war on ye!

:scotland:


Wait... I am Denmark, right?

[_Tristan_]

HRE :

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1146-2.rar

For those enlightened, two turns to go...

[FactionHeir]

Until you kill your faction? I saw your lone FL walking over my lands as if he wanted to get drowned or something.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think he wants to commit seppuku, hara-kiri, become a kamikaze, to sleep with the fishes, take a walk in the ocean wearing cement shoes, croak, die, expire, become deceased, meet his maker, meet his demise, push up the daisies, cark it, become hellbent, pass away, pass on, perish, become toe-tagged, turn into worm food, become a goner, bite the dust, blink for an incredibly long period of time, buy the farm, develop an acute allergy to air, develop an acute allergy to life, enter Abraham's bosom, enter the grave, get off one's twig, give up the ghost, go back to the essence, go the way of the dinosaurs, go the way of the dodo, go to a better place, go for the big sleep, find the end of the road, find the end of the rainbow, join the choir invisible, keel over, kick the bucket, knock off, make the final curtain call, become murderized, return home, pop one's clogs, push up the daisies, go six feet deep, shuttle off the mortal coil, take a dirt nap, lay incredibly still for a very long period of time, never crack a smile again, meet Jesus, meet Buddha, meet Muhammad, meet Benjamin Franklin, go on a fantastic journey, curl up, stiffen, prepare his final speech, experience the death rattle, give back to Mother Earth, turn into plant food, become one with nature, become sucked into the great supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy and then join the force.

We all are about to die, but it seems he wants to go first. Everyone else, get in line! All aboard the hellbound express!


:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

[Csargo]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1146-3.rar

Also, news in the Diplomacy thread.

[Cecil XIX]

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1146-4.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1146-5.rar

[ICantSpellDawg]

CRUD! I may need an extension. I'm not available Tuesday nights or Thursday nights.

Both of my PBM turns are today, What the heck?

[Ferret]

was told to skip it :shrug:

Danes:http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1146-7.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1146-8.zip

remember to pm

Ramses, you're up.

[Ferret]

:wall: soon I'll be out and then I wont be able to forget.

[Ramses II CP]

%&$^, sorry ATPG, as you may know my last turn was sort of skipped, so the spy was finishing an 'auto-movement' from the turn before. I don't remember exactly why his orders were over the border, but he was probably doing his action against an agent in your lands and was supposed to be pulled back by hand.

Quite frankly, I can't afford to pay a dime in reparations. I haven't checked the save yet, but depending on how things went I might've had two of the formerly Russian cities rebel already. I'll check out the situation and get back to you in character.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just so you know, I honestly don't care that he was in my lands OOC.

However, I did warn everyone to keep agents out. So I have to respond IC.

[Ramses II CP]

Germany is up:

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1148.zip

Russia's last city surrendered to Polish control.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1148-2.zip

I didn't know what to number it. :/

[FactionHeir]

With several factions gone it might be a good idea to renumber:

Ichigo HRE: Gets () Uploads -1
Cecil XIX Spain: Gets -1 Uploads -2
FactionHeir Sicily: Gets -2 Uploads -3
TuffStuffMcGruff Scotland: Gets -3 Uploads -4
Askthepizzaguy Denmark: Gets -4 Uploads -5
Ramses II CP Poland: Gets -5 Uploads ()

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was unaware TuffStuff had taken over Scotland.

sigh... all that effort to make peace with Scotland down the crapper now. He probably won't even care. Maybe I should have gone out with a blaze of glory.

[Zim]

I told him everything he needs to know, and made a longish announcement in here that Scotland was changing players. :clown:


I was unaware TuffStuff had taken over Scotland.

sigh... all that effort to make peace with Scotland down the crapper now. He probably won't even care. Maybe I should have gone out with a blaze of glory.

[Cecil XIX]

Sorry about the wait, everybody. I swear, if I don't play my turn the minute I see it I forget it exists. :shame: Anyway, I'm uploading now. One moment.

EDIT: Done. I've modified the file name per FH's renumbering idea. (http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1148-2a.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1148-3.zip

[ICantSpellDawg]

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1148-4.rar

Here's the next one. Is Bob still Russia?

[Ramses II CP]

Russia should be out, although ATPG may need their password. 'Bob' changed his name to Elite Ferret. :beam:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's still scotland's turn... password required.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Poland is up!

Announcement in the council thread.

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1148-5.zip

[Ramses II CP]

Germany is up:

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1150.zip

Let's just assume Wladyslaw sent yet another note of protest about the spy near Edessa. :juggle2:

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1150-1.zip

[FactionHeir]

Eh, I moved him away to scout the east.

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's turn. (http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1150-2.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1150-3.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1150-5.zip

Poland is up


Note: was requested to play Scotland's turn for them.

Sicily: some nameless captains were assassinated to gain experience. Does not affect you in the slightest.

HRE: two spies are moving from stettin to Arhus. They will be gone next turn. Again, apologies...

Wish I had continguous lands...

[Ramses II CP]

HRE is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1152.zip

Note that I purchased Thessalonica from the Hungarians. Can I presume that the Sicilian spy in the city will be departing in some haste? I failed to take Baghdad though, bloody auto-calc and curse my drunk of a general. King Wladyslaw is still moving towards Riga for the Danes, it'll be 2-3 more turns IIRC.

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

How much money do you have :p

I tried buying Thessalonica and they wouldn't part with it below 30k

[Ramses II CP]

Very little, I offered 2k over 10 turns, but first I offered a better deal that they couldn't accept to 'break the ice.' I don't know if that actually helps or not. :shrug:

Trust me Mr. Only-Huge-Cities-On-The-Map, you're pulling down about 2x per turn what I am. Antioch probably makes as much as all of my settlements east of Krakow combined. :laugh4:

I also have had a marriage alliance with them since turn 2, had one of my best diplomats finally arrive, and have kept my relations at perfect.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1152-1.rar

One of your spies was kicked out of my city FH...

[FactionHeir]

Antioch probably makes as much as all of my settlements east of Krakow combined. :laugh4:

:egypt:

Actually Antioch makes just about 1000 a turn due to capital difference. The merchants don't give all that much either because there's sugar and cotton down at Palermo which reduces the value for me :(

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's turn. (http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1152-2.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1152-3.rar

[Csargo]

Gonna have to leave this game. Like I said in the Test Game my computer has crapped out and won't load any games. I have no idea what's wrong, and don't know when I'd be able to get a new computer or fix this one. So I will have to leave the game. I'm sorry everyone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm going to have to withdrawal from the game. Something has gone wrong
with my computer and no game will load anymore. I don't know what the
problem is, or when I will be able to fix it or get a new computer.
Sorry everyone.

Well, thank you for playing as long as you did Ichigo. Hope you can sort out what's wrong and come back soon.

I'd volunteer to sub for you until a new replacement can be found. Seeing as how we're allied I think it would be a good idea. But if anyone objects, someone else can fill in of course. Don't really care, just tryin' to be helpful and get the game movin again.

:bow:

[Ramses II CP]

You'll be missed Ichigo. I can only hope your replacement is an equally loyal ally. Good luck with your machine. :beam:

:egypt:

[Csargo]

M2TW still loads. I made a mistake by assuming that all my games wouldn't load :/ It seems to only be a problem with Victoria and HoI2:DD.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Give me a moment... I'm skipping Scotland and playing my turn.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok... a disappointing turn because TuffStuff was absent and could not accept a deal I offered, but I understand why that was necessary.

Maybe next turn :grin:

Here's the save, Ramses, youre up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1152-5.zip

[Ramses II CP]

Germans are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1154.zip

No action of consequence.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1154-1.rar

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's Turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1154-2.sav)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1154-3.rar

[Ramses II CP]

Tomorrow (~28 hours from now) I'll be heading out of town for a few days for my sister's wedding. There should be a reliable net connection where we're staying, but I've learned to take nothing for granted. Ichigo or ATPG can sub for me, or you can skip me if necessary, but I expect I'll be in touch. Not going too far, so travel time shouldn't be a problem.

:egypt: