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Unvote:DoH, Vote:Andres :bounce:
Unvote:DoH, Vote:Andres :bounce:
:bounce: is your reasoning ?
:inquisitive:
I'm standing by my vote for Sarathos. Voting for people just because they're active is wrong on multiple levels, and if that's not what he meant, I humbly suggest he explains himself.
The other candidates are being highlighted with fog, mirrors and empty space. Nobody's got anything of substance to pin on anyone this early in the game.
:bounce: is your reasoning ?
:inquisitive:
You're acting strange. I don't think I remember you focusing so intently on one person so early in a game. It's usually more spread out. I find it strange. :inquisitive:
Don Corleone
08-30-2007, 21:21
Why didn't you already vote me or Husar in your post #228 where you stated you caught me in a lie which is incorrect, as I already explained and in which post you also insinuated that Husar and me are mafia.
Why did you wait until now? Were you afraid to be accused of casting a retaliation vote?
No. Frankly, I'm taking it as a given that I'm getting lynched this round. It didn't occur to me until I changed my vote that 4 rounds from now, people aren't going to remember what I said. They're going to look at how I voted and say "well, he didn't really think Andres was guilty, or he would have voted for him". It was a vote for posterity, if you will.
Strongly suggest people get off the Don Corleone bandwagon. He's an amusing player, nobody has anything of substance to level at him, and he just found out his wife was pregnant. Cut the guy some slack, eh?
Sarathos, on the other hand, seems to have suggested lynching people for posting frequently. This is offensive and must be punished. Again, remember that the first few rounds of voting will be more or less random, unless our two mafia residents are exceptionally sloppy.
I don't know if Don C is innocent, but I know damn well that there's no evidence of his guilt.
Strongly suggest people get off the Don Corleone bandwagon. He's an amusing player, nobody has anything of substance to level at him, and he just found out his wife was pregnant. Cut the guy some slack, eh?
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/doncorleone1.gif
It's not personal, it's business.
Sarathos, on the other hand, seems to have suggested lynching people for posting frequently. This is offensive and must be punished. Again, remember that the first few rounds of voting will be more or less random, unless our two mafia residents are exceptionally sloppy.
Indeed and Sarathos statement was odd, but I think I've seen enough from Don to stick to my vote for now.
I don't know if Don C is innocent, but I know damn well that there's no evidence of his guilt.
There never is...
:shrug:
Warmaster Horus
08-30-2007, 22:08
Whew, one day and 6 pages already?
By all means, but you won't know whether it's the mafia's work or the host's blundering.
Actually, it would be possible to know by comparing with the last long posts.
Back to the matter at hand, I'll vote:Sarathos. Little activity doesn't help the town, unless it's a night. And I don't think Don is scummy. He was attacked for no reason, and I'm surprised at those who jumped on Sasaki's false reveal.
Tally (should be correct):
Sarathos: 5 (Pann, sapi, shlin,Lemur, WH)
Sasaki: 4 (ByzK, Husar, Tiberius, Xiahou)
DonC: 3 (Brave, Kage, Andres)
Andres: 3 (Woads,Donc,Ichigo)
Husar: 2 (Kommodus,Sasaki)
Ichigo: 2 (DoH, Sarothos)
FesterS: 1 (CR)
gkhaan: 1 (Stig)
Woads: 1 (gkhaan)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeath)
Pannonian: 1 (Roadkill)
Lord Winter
08-30-2007, 22:09
EDIT: NVM Warmaster beat me to updating the tally.
There never is...
false.:no:
I don't know if Don C is innocent, but I know damn well that there's no evidence of his guilt.There's no evidence of guilt on anyone. There almost never is this early on- it's all supposition.
Post 225 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1655731&postcount=225) makes me feel pretty comfortable with sticking with my Sasaki vote. Most of his re-votes strike me as a possible attempt to find someone- anyone who can accumulate more votes than himself.
I have a few people I might FoS at this point as well, but I'm really having a hard time seeing the wisdom in creating a slate of suspicious candidates for the mafia to scratch of their 'to be killed' list this early in the game.
Pannonian
08-30-2007, 22:18
Strongly suggest people get off the Don Corleone bandwagon. He's an amusing player, nobody has anything of substance to level at him, and he just found out his wife was pregnant. Cut the guy some slack, eh?
Sarathos, on the other hand, seems to have suggested lynching people for posting frequently. This is offensive and must be punished. Again, remember that the first few rounds of voting will be more or less random, unless our two mafia residents are exceptionally sloppy.
I don't know if Don C is innocent, but I know damn well that there's no evidence of his guilt.
In the 2 TWC games I've played, I found 2 mafia using exactly the same tactics that Sarathos seems to be going for. In the first, I was drumming up discussion of any sort when someone accused me of bullying people into talking when they'd rather keep quiet - he was lynched the next round, my pointing at this scumtell having come too late to stop the 1st round wagon. In the 2nd instance, someone dismissed discussion as smoke and mirrors to obscure the scene - I led the lynch for him, and he too was scum.
The fact is, the mafia know who each other are - even without discussion, they have most of the information they need, except the identity of the detective. They don't need discussion. OTOH, the town has zilch information save what it can get through discussion, with the cop's reveal as a windfall that may or may not appear. Thus the town needs discussion. Dismissing discussion as inherently bad is a scum strategy, which may work in less voracious games as the mafia can guarantee however many votes they have, versus the inactivity of some townies. Not in this one I hope, so if Sarathos escapes the rope today, I will push for his lynching every day for the same reasoning until he gets the vote.
Tratorix
08-30-2007, 22:39
Well, since Don C doesn't really seem to care if we lynch him, i''l assume that he's probably innocent and Unvote: Don C. I'll Vote:Abstain for now.
I would like Sarathos to explain precisely how he believes not putting pressure on people to post will help the town. Seems to me like it would do just the opposite. :inquisitive:
Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Sarathos
Well yeah, I obviously thought about it before and some others made convincing arguments. Will also stop Pannonian from getting on our nerves. ~;)
Byzantine Mercenary
08-30-2007, 23:13
I guess it is less likely for a mafia player to be overly talkative, trying to defend lurkers does seem like quite a mafia tactic and i suppose it is best to keep talkative players.
From the number of lurkers in proportion to active members and for the many reasons that keeping quiet is good for mafia at least in the early game, i would also expect that the talkative players are less likeley to be mafia.
Therefore Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro and Vote: Sarathos
I really don't think a mafioso would come out and announce that we should kill lynch active posters. :no:
I look at it as more of a misguided suggestion. It would suggest extreme incompetence for mafia to paint such a target on themselves like that.
Edit: Looks like the bandwagon's on. :rolleyes:
Sarathos
08-30-2007, 23:51
:laugh4: Oh it never fails
Such contridiction, every says to me that I dont post enough, and here I am admitting I am a lurker and trying to change it. Look where that gets me...lynched again. I am using no tactices as I dont know any and I have never been mafia.
Are yes, lets disscuss my previous experience for a second, I thank you Andres for acknowledging me as a title another than 'noob.' In every game I have played so far I am considered a lurker because I dont get enough time to post and most the material that needs commenting on already has been. So when I do try and break the habit and actually be active first thing I say always gets misinterpreted and I get lynched without fail. But think to yourself, have I ever been mafia? No I haven't
I wasnt trying to defend of attack anyone in my post, I was only joking about lurker pride because there is no pride on lurking be everyone seems to have no sense of humour. Everything I post get over analyized and misread and I end up getting lynched.
To all those who keep asking me to contribute and to help, I would if it didnt get me lynched everytime, think about that next time.
In simple terms, my post was simply an attempt at humour and ridicle of myself and the voice my opinion. But you read my post carefully it doesnt say I want to or encourage lynching active plays, you the hell came up with that?
All it says that you dont always need to target the inactive players (i.e. me) cause they have a lesser chance of being mafia. No words or phrases of killing or lynching active people, no digs or finger pointing at anyone, so I think you should all just settle down and stop blowing things out of proportion. :beam:
So Sarathos is getting the noose.
We will see at the end of this game if Pannonian and the others are right about him.
I have never used that tactic when playing as mafia.
I am not going to hand out all my pearls here, but I will slip out one: Mafia's best cover is being in the middle of things, earn their trust and fool them all.
Sarathos
08-30-2007, 23:53
I really don't think a mafioso would come out and announce that we should kill lynch active posters. :no:
I look at it as more of a misguided suggestion. It would suggest extreme incompetence for mafia to paint such a target on themselves like that.
Edit: Looks like the bandwagon's on. :rolleyes:
Thank you Xiahou. finally someone you understands me :2thumbsup:
P.S. It was never really or ever meant to be a suggestion at all. :no:
Sarathos
08-30-2007, 23:55
So Sarathos is getting the noose.
Not again..... :shame:
Not again..... :shame:
I can't vote M8... just stating the obvious since the deadline has passed.
[edit]: Which means Sarathos is probably innocent...
I think Sasaki, Andres or Husar are better candidates, and I'll bet that both or at least one mafiosi voted for Sarathos
Sarathos
08-30-2007, 23:58
We will see at the end of this game if Pannonian and the others are right about him.
No one ever is..... :shame:
Death to the inocent :no:
Sarathos
08-31-2007, 00:00
Not enough rage-quitting.
I think I just might now........
As I've said many times, big hunts on one player and bandwagons don't work. All they do is help the mafia.
You need to look at more than one player, extend the voting period (if possible) and then hope you get a mafia, which you won't. Just going after Sarathos, or Sasaki, or Don doesn't help anyone, except the mafia, as they can go unnoticed.
Sarathos
08-31-2007, 00:02
Which means Sarathos is probably innocent...
YES..........der!!!!!!!!
The sad thing about large games like this is that there are too many players not participating.
The mafia have the opertunity to sit in the shadow laughing at the veterans decking it out in their paranoia.
In the sea of 14 non voters the mafia can hide pretty well. But as soon as the 14 are removed by the WoG they stick out like a sore toe.
We need to reduce the players to make their hiding place smaller.
Pannonian
08-31-2007, 00:25
The sad thing about large games like this is that there are too many players not participating.
The mafia have the opertunity to sit in the shadow laughing at the veterans decking it out in their paranoia.
In the sea of 14 non voters the mafia can hide pretty well. But as soon as the 14 are removed by the WoG they stick out like a sore toe.
We need to reduce the players to make their hiding place smaller.
Like Dutch Guy in M6, who lurked and abstained and laughed until GH threatened him with modkill. I had the idea of pinning a vote on the unfamiliar players to try and get them to talk so we can get a fix on them, but that got lost in the Sasaki-inspired hubbub.
I really don't think a mafioso would come out and announce that we should kill lynch active posters. :no:
I look at it as more of a misguided suggestion. It would suggest extreme incompetence for mafia to paint such a target on themselves like that.
Or inexperience. I'm not familiar with Sarathos' style, and I haven't noticed him before, so I figured he was an inexperienced mafioso trying to direct the game. As mentioned, I found at least a couple of scum in the TWC games trying exactly this. I also detected a godfather trying for the middle of the road trick as well, so I'm aware of that line of play. But in the early rounds, when there's little evidence as yet, and quite a few people haven't yet presented themselves, one might as well pick up on obvious clues as manufacture them from nowhere, as is normally the case in the 1st round.
Beefy187
08-31-2007, 00:36
I think sarathos is innocent.Sarathys playing like he usually does.. Speak too much and gets lynched. Andres seems fine but i havnt read the whole thread yet becoz im at school. I got a gut feeling towards Sasaki because after that little joke not many people will suspect him..Im not sure if i want to kill him off just yet though
woad&fangs
08-31-2007, 00:45
Andres seems fine but i havnt read the whole thread yet becoz im at school. I got a gut feeling towards Sasaki because after that little joke not many people will suspect him..Im not sure if i want to kill him off just yet though
FoS: Beefy
I truthfully feel that something is off with Andres. I don't see why you singled him out as innocent. He isn't getting that many votes and this early in the game there are plenty of people acting innocent and normal. Also, the "I feel its Sasaki but I'm not sure if we should kill him" yet sounds awfully neutral. To me neutral = scummy. You are throwing out words to seem protown but are in fact not adding any new ideas.
I think Andres is the best choice for today.
Sasaki Kojiro
08-31-2007, 00:59
I also feel that sarathos is innocent.
To be honest, this kind of difficulty in finding mafia is the only thing that makes gh's games remotely balanced. If we had a reasonable chance of finding mafia early on there's no way the mafia would ever win.
I would almost guarantee that at this point in the game the mafia either appear to be completely pro town or are lurking.
We have I believe 10 lynches barring any WoG. I don't think we should persue people who aren't posting at all, we should persue those who post just enough without adding much, and those who jump in just in time to avaid the WoG. We should put pressure on these people for a while each round, and then lynch the scummiest person we find. We should also have everyone state an opinion on each of few people with the most votes. This could be invaluable.
I would say Don is neutral in my estimation, some things seem a little off which could be a scum tell or a town tell (it's possible he's scum slipping up, or it's possible he's townie not paying attention to the scumminess level of his posts).
Sasaki I think is innocent.
Husar is probably not scum, the odds are way against it, but he's a decent candidate for lynch for his bandwagoning and over-defensivess (even reaching premptiveness...)
Sarathos I think is innocent, nothing about his posts is scummy, his explanation for his post is entirely genuine. In fact I think those voting him did more to shut down discussion then he did.
Sasaki Kojiro
08-31-2007, 01:00
Andres is a little off his behavior to be sure, but he's not someone I'd go after round 1 because he post enough for scummy behavior to be noticed, or for the detective to investigate him.
GeneralHankerchief
08-31-2007, 01:16
Sorry guys, that took a lot longer than I expected.
Voting over, stand by for the execution.
(and for the record, the voting is never over until I say it is.)
GeneralHankerchief
08-31-2007, 02:15
The Frontroom's town square was a rowdy place. It really wasn't large enough to handle thirty-seven villagers, the voting box, the Chief of Police, and the gallows in which the condemned person would be hanged. As a result, the lack of space got on everyone's nerves, prompting them to get nastier, testier, rowdier, and generally more unsavory.
Finally, at sunset, Chief of Police Beirut blew his whistle to signal quiet. And then, after a few seconds, he blew it again. And then again. And then again. Finally, annoyed with the crowd's lack of obedience, he fired his pistol in the air. That, finally, got everyone's attention.
"Gentlemen," he began, "the votes have been" - he breathed a sigh of relief, for it was a harrowing process - "counted. You have determined Sarathos to be guilty of murder. The sentence will now be carried out."
Sarathos, the condemned, instantly turned pale and gasped.
"All I was doing was engaging in some self-depriciating humor!" he sputtered. "You guys totally misconstrued my statement! All I w-want to do is hang back out of sight and chill! What's so wrong with that?"
The townies simply glared. They had made their choice. They cared little for final speeches. Beirut, however, seemed to have no such problem.
"Sarathos, you will now be hanged. Have you any last words before your sentence is carried out?"
Sarathos paused, taken back. "Well, uhm... I kind of did already... er..." Beirut was busy attaching the rope to his neck... "...uh, well..." He was finished, about ready to do the deed... "Lurker Pride!" Sarathos gasped out right before he dropped.
"Well, that's that," Beirut said as the town stared in shock at the simplicity of it. "I suggest you all go home and pray that you got the right man. Hopefully we won't be seeing each other tomorrow. Good night."
Voting tally for Round 1:
Sarathos: 7 (Warmaster Horus, shlin28, Husar, sapi, Pannonian, Byzantine Mercenary, Lemur) :skull:
Andres: 3 (woad&fangs, Ichigo, Don Corleone)
Husar: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Kommodus)
Ichigo: 2 (Destroyer of Hope, Sarathos)
Don Corleone: 2 (Andres, Kagemusha)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, Xiahou)
woad&fangs: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Pannonian: 1 (RoadKill)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeathfire)
greaterkhaan: 1 (Stig)
FesterShinetop: 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstained: 8 (Caius Flaminius, Twilightblade, Brave_Sir_Robin, Beefy187, Dutch_guy, Proletariat, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien)
Didn't vote: 7 (Ignoramus, Tran, Killfr3nzy, FesterShinetop, discovery1, CountArach, Fragony)
- In case my tally doesn't match up with yours, I do count a post without a vote as an abstention. I think the lynch is pretty clear-cut but if I made a mistake let me know (preferably publicly so we can clear it up quicker).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (36)
Caius Flaminius
woad&fangs
Ignoramus
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
Destroyer of Hope
RoadKill
Xdeathfire
Twilightblade
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Brave_Sir_Robin
Beefy187
Warmaster Horus
shlin28
Stig
Husar
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Andres
Pannonian
FesterShinetop
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Fragony
Byzantine Mercenary
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Executed:
Sarathos
Sarathos
08-31-2007, 02:34
Another townie lynch....... :no:
What the hell is going on?????
Great, now i feel guilty. Gah! I hate the early rounds!
seireikhaan
08-31-2007, 02:53
Hmm... I just realized something. Where's Disco? He had many an opportunity to jump on a number of different bandwagons. And yet, he didn't vote. Verrry interesting...Where art thou, Disco?
Hmm... I just realized something. Where's Disco? He had many an opportunity to jump on a number of different bandwagons. And yet, he didn't vote. Verrry interesting...Where art thou, Disco?
He's not playing.
seireikhaan
08-31-2007, 03:02
Abstained: 8 (Caius Flaminius, Twilightblade, Brave_Sir_Robin, Beefy187, Dutch_guy, Proletariat, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien)
Didn't vote: 7 (Ignoramus, Tran, Killfr3nzy, FesterShinetop, discovery1, CountArach, Fragony)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (36)
Caius Flaminius
woad&fangs
Ignoramus
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
Destroyer of Hope
RoadKill
Xdeathfire
Twilightblade
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Brave_Sir_Robin
Beefy187
Warmaster Horus
shlin28
Stig
Husar
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Andres
Pannonian
FesterShinetop
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Fragony
Byzantine Mercenary
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Executed:
Sarathos
Sure looks like it to me.
Proletariat
08-31-2007, 03:05
Abstained: 8 (Caius Flaminius, Twilightblade, Brave_Sir_Robin, Beefy187, Dutch_guy, Proletariat, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien)
Didn't vote: 7 (Ignoramus, Tran, Killfr3nzy, FesterShinetop, discovery1, CountArach, Fragony)
Is he dropping out or something?
Sasaki Kojiro
08-31-2007, 03:18
Great, now i feel guilty. Gah! I hate the early rounds!
FOS:Lemur
Just because he's lynched doesn't mean sarathos was innocent. But yet you appear convinced?
Oh for pete's sake, I led the charge on Sarathos. I have no way of knowing if he's innocent or guilty, but I can still feel some remorse, now can't it? Especially considering there's only a one in thirty-seven chance I was right. Just let a lemur feel some honest regret, okay?
Sure looks like it to me.
Is that supposed to mean something? :inquisitive:
seireikhaan
08-31-2007, 03:48
Is that supposed to mean something? :inquisitive:
Yes. It was meant as "looks like he's in this game to me", due to the fact that he was on both the 'not voting' list and the 'still alive' list.
Yes. It was meant as "looks like he's in this game to me", due to the fact that he was on both the 'not voting' list and the 'still alive' list.
I doubt he'll show up.
seireikhaan
08-31-2007, 04:23
I doubt he'll show up.
And is there a reason for that which you know of? Is he dropping out or what?
GeneralHankerchief
08-31-2007, 04:36
I have him down as signed up; he definitely posted. If he wants to suicide then he should tell me either in the thread or via PM.
Beefy187
08-31-2007, 07:26
good thing: sarathos= master lurker= no more lurkers in the game (hopefully)
bad thing: he probebly was innocent
I have absolutily no idea what's going on and what I am supposed to do, help?
I have absolutily no idea what's going on and what I am supposed to do, help?
Take a look at the Mafia FAQ and synopsis of previous games (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70374) and the first post of this thread where you will find the specific rules of this game.
:bow:
Soooo, what am I supposed to be, haven't gotten any specifics
If you didn't got a pm at the beginning of the game, you're a townie.
Or are you a mafioso trying to deceive us, Fragony :inquisitive:
This is night time and the time for the Mafia to plan and execute their kills.
If you are not mafia, you wait (you should have received a pm from the General if you are).
When the kills are posted you vote for who you think is a Mafioso.
This is how you play as a townie. A townie is a player that have received no instructions, which counts for the majority of the players in this game. Only three people have received instructions.
Ah ok now I get it, good explanation, it would be a shame if something happened to it.
Or are you a mafioso trying to deceive us, Fragony :inquisitive:
I very much doubt that
Dutch_guy
08-31-2007, 14:21
I very much doubt that
Why so, it may be his first game but he isn't an idiot.
:balloon2:
GeneralHankerchief
08-31-2007, 15:53
Nice summary guys. :yes:
Edited, for Andres, I love you :daisy:
Did I say that?
Ah ok now I get it, good explanation, it would be a shame if something happened to it.
Very funny, very funny indeed. You'll want to watch that sort of humor in the future, though. We townies can be a bit jumpy, what with two of us dying per night.
discovery1
08-31-2007, 20:18
Hmm... I just realized something. Where's Disco? He had many an opportunity to jump on a number of different bandwagons. And yet, he didn't vote. Verrry interesting...Where art thou, Disco?
The internet in my dorm is kind of sporatic, plus I'm rather busy and forgetful. Won't miss next round though.
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO FRAME ME KHAAN!!!??? KILL KHAN KILL KHAAN!!! etc etc etc
Edit: Oh, Hi Prole.
Very funny, very funny indeed.
:laugh4:
I agree but I don't really think he wanted to threaten the instruction.
discovery1
08-31-2007, 20:22
I doubt he'll show up.
I curse you Csar
HUSAR WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME!!???
I curse you Csar
HUSAR WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME!!???
You weren't supposed to show up...:furious3:
Tiberius of the Drake
08-31-2007, 22:18
wow. My internet is down for one day and 4 more pages are here... whats the most updated tally by the way?
GeneralHankerchief
08-31-2007, 22:20
Actually, we're almost out of Night 2, the lynch was a while ago. Here's the tally:
Sarathos: 7 (Warmaster Horus, shlin28, Husar, sapi, Pannonian, Byzantine Mercenary, Lemur) :skull:
Andres: 3 (woad&fangs, Ichigo, Don Corleone)
Husar: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Kommodus)
Ichigo: 2 (Destroyer of Hope, Sarathos)
Don Corleone: 2 (Andres, Kagemusha)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, Xiahou)
woad&fangs: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Pannonian: 1 (RoadKill)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeathfire)
greaterkhaan: 1 (Stig)
FesterShinetop: 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstained: 8 (Caius Flaminius, Twilightblade, Brave_Sir_Robin, Beefy187, Dutch_guy, Proletariat, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien)
Didn't vote: 7 (Ignoramus, Tran, Killfr3nzy, FesterShinetop, discovery1, CountArach, Fragony)
GeneralHankerchief
09-01-2007, 00:24
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Most people had barely gotten any sleep the previous night and were afraid to leave their houses.
Caius Flaminius, however, was not one of these people. He confidently strode out the front door, off the porch, and out into his front yard to pick up the morning's paper. He knew about Sigurd's untimely demise from it a day earlier, but feared nothing. Surely the mafia would not kill two people in the same way, right? And even if they did, he made sure to walk on the sidewalk, ignoring all patches of leaves on his lawn.
"Hmm," he said to himself, examining his yard, "That could be a potential trap... I've got to get this trimmed... I wonder who won that match last night... I wonder if there's anyone hiding in that bush... There's another trap, right there... stupid mafia, they're getting slopp-YAAAAAAAAGH!!!"
Caius had fallen into the same trap that had nailed Sigurd Fafnesbane before, although it had a slight modification. Instead of dropping him into a pit (which would have been mighty hard to dig, especially it being under the sidewalk and the town getting little sleep), it swung him upwards. He was now hanging upside down, by his ankle, near a streetlight. He groaned. He had fallen victim to a noose trap.
He leaned upward (downward?) in order to try to prevent the blood rushing from his head, but quickly reverted back to normal; someone was coming out of the bushes.
He was very oddly-dressed. Clad only in a grass skirt, this person that had set up the trap was poorly-groomed. He had long, unkempt hair and a similar beard. Judging by the dirt on his face, he had not bathed in days.
"What do you want?" asked Caius. Surely this person couldn't be the mafia; they were professional, wearing Italian suits and driving fancy cars. Right?
"I want to kill you," said the ragged man. He took out an obsidian knife and proceeded to do what he said he wanted to.
The Frontroom Bakery, like any respectable establishment selling delicious baked food, was open at dawn, already churning out various pastries to be sold throughout the course of the day. It came as no surprise to the baker that he got a customer this early on; work hours were pretty weird nowadays.
"Work hours are pretty weird nowadays," said the man who just entered the shop. His face was obscured but the baker thought nothing of it. "I'll have a bismarck please."
The baker gave the man a bismarck donut, and after he received his pay went into the back room to check on the incoming pastries, leaving the customer with his own thoughts (and of course, the donut).
"Stupid townies," the man said to himself as he began munching his donut and took out his phone. "They lynch a man just because he said 'lurker pride.'" He eyed his phone, checking for something. "No messages," he said. Of course there weren't. Of course there wouldn't be. Him checking his phone was more out of habit now than anything else.
His thoughts strayed back to the townspeople of the Frontroom. "What a bunch of morons. Especially this baker. You'd think he'd be more careful with his treats after someone got killed by poisoned chocolate yesterday." He took out a vial of poison and started spreading its contents out on the 12 most delicious-looking items in the place. Smiling, he departed, munching on the rest of his donut.
Five minutes later, Killfr3nzy walked in, whistling a jaunty tune. "Work hours are pretty weird nowadays," he said to the baker, who had returned to the front of his store. The baker nodded, a strange look in his eye.
Killfr3nzy eyed the treats currently on display. "I'll take that one," he said, pointing at one of the most delicious-looking items in the place. After he paid, he took a seat with his pastry, smiling.
"Even if I die, the mafia can't deprive me of the satisfaction knowing I've enjoyed a tasty treat early in the morning," he said, smiling, as he took a bite. After a few seconds, he realized exactly how wrong he was.
Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered everyone in the town square to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "It seems as if we were off in yesterday's lynching. Two more villagers have been found dead today. Caius Flaminius stabbed to death, and Killfr3nzy poisoned, in the bakery, a half-eaten baked good beside him."
The crowd, instead of showing shock, simply stood there in silence, puzzled. Finally, one villager shouted out what the crowd was thinking. "If he was found dead in the bakery, with the poisoned baked good nearby, how come we're still doing this? Doesn't that mean the baker's guilty?"
"Yeah!" everyone roared in agreement.
"Well, uhm..." Beirut was taken aback. "As Chief of Police I have already, uh, determined the baker to be innocent. So it's still one of you normal villagers. Get voting!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (34)
woad&fangs
Ignoramus
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
Destroyer of Hope
RoadKill
Xdeathfire
Twilightblade
Sasaki Kojiro
Brave_Sir_Robin
Beefy187
Warmaster Horus
shlin28
Stig
Husar
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Andres
Pannonian
FesterShinetop
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Fragony
Byzantine Mercenary
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Executed:
Sarathos
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 00:59
Vote:Kommodus
Would you believe me if I said I had a guilty result on Kommodus?
:bounce:
Random.org said Stig, but superstition said
Vote: Kagemusha
This is funny. Not the fact im dead, but Sasaki proposed to pressure the lurkers and 2 go down in the next day...
Beefy187
09-01-2007, 01:28
Interesting.. Killing killfr3nzy makes our group (me and twillightblade) look suspecious.. I always wanted to kill killfr3nzy on round 2.. But anyway it wasnt me. its way too obvious if i did that..
If the mafias doing the write ups the suspect who killed killfr3nzy are humourous for using food poisoning and has been playing with us for a couple of game. So i doubt its the new comers or the people who have been away for a while. The suspect most likely took part in bandwagonning Sarathos or took neutral position.
I personally dont like how Sasaki has been playing. Joking to be detective. I find it scummy because so far his not being suspected
Cant say much of murderer of Caius. I dont think he took part in bandwagonning Sarathos but im not really sure. Abstain would be trying to be neutral so i think he/she voted for someone with joke or gut feeling.
I got a feeling that this scums are either somewhat experienced mafia player who played as mafia couple times or God like hard core mafia players; in that case most thing i just said is wrong.
Hope that makes sense:wall: English is just too hard for me..
discovery1
09-01-2007, 01:33
Vote: Kommodus
If he's mafia, great. If he's a townie, he will still do his thing. Needless to say, I will jump on any bandwagon that uses the bandwagon smilie.
Crazed Rabbit
09-01-2007, 01:42
Vote: Festershinetop
He's still hasn't posted. Hopefully this will encourage him to post so he can't hide if he's mafia and won't get WoG'd if he's a townie.
EoB: Discover (eyebrow of bemusement)
CR
CountArach
09-01-2007, 01:55
Vote: Kommodus
As said, he is a good townie, whether he is alive or not. However, it strikes me as odd that Sasaki would claim to have investigated him... Seems unSasakiish. Probably just joking though. Could we get a confirmation Sasaki?
:freak: He did it again.....
Actually that bandwagon just sound right...
Unvote, Vote: Kommodus
GeneralHankerchief
09-01-2007, 02:24
Tran, tell me who you unvoted.
Post #318 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1657684#post1657684)
Random.org said Stig, but superstition said
Vote: Kagemusha
:bow:
Lord Winter
09-01-2007, 03:06
Vote: Count Arch,
He seems to be more active in most games he plays in. Where are you?
FoS: Sasski, I'll take the first time but now your just being unhelpful to the town.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 03:08
Wow, just wow. For the record (once again) I am categorically NOT the detective.
Vote: Kommodus
If he's mafia, great. If he's a townie, he will still do his thing. Needless to say, I will jump on any bandwagon that uses the bandwagon smilie.
unvote,vote:disco
https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 03:08
What is it about the bouncy smiley that implies to certain people an air of seriousness?
What is it about the bouncy smiley that implies to certain people an air of seriousness?
He's bouncy of course. He bounced three meters in the air, then 1.2 meters in the air, then 4 meters in the air. :bounce:
Proletariat
09-01-2007, 03:15
Unless our detective has already been killed (possible of course), they've surely investigated Sasaki by now. We'll find out long before the end of the game what side Sasaki's on. Looks pretty doubtful he's mafia so far, tho.
I'm still leaning towards Andres because of suspicious behavior early on. These two kills were pretty good ones for the mafia, so it's likely the mafia has at least one, if not two, experienced players.
unvote,vote:disco
I don't mean to get up your nose, Sasaki, but could you please specify who you're unvoting when you do this? It makes life a lot easier for those of us who try to keep running tallies. And I think GH has already grumbled about this in the thread.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 03:20
In my experience with running tallies, it makes no difference at all.
Also, it's traditional.
discovery1
09-01-2007, 03:26
Wow, just wow. For the record (once again) I am categorically NOT the detective.
unvote,vote:disco
https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif
umm, damn. ummm...
Boo to you Sasaki
unvote:kommodus, vote:Andres
Prole has informed me I am a redneck ******* so I'll Vote:Andres and be on my way...
Actually that bandwagon just sound right...
Unvote, Vote: Kommodus
Vote: Tran
At least come up with some sort of an explanation for a bandwagon :dizzy2:
CountArach
09-01-2007, 04:07
Vote: Count Arch,
He seems to be more active in most games he plays in. Where are you?
About 5 posts above you...
He's bouncy of course. He bounced three meters in the air, then 1.2 meters in the air, then 4 meters in the air.
Our people tell the same story.
Unless our detective has already been killed (possible of course), they've surely investigated Sasaki by now. We'll find out long before the end of the game what side Sasaki's on. Looks pretty doubtful he's mafia so far, tho.
This is a good point. Sasaki is always a popular first investigation (at least in my experience). I also suppose that the same could be said for Kommodus. Seeing as no one is serious to see him lynched, then I guess either the detective hasn't investigated him,or they have and he is innocent.
Unvote: Kommodus, Vote: Abstain (Pending further evidence)
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
09-01-2007, 04:18
If we don't know if Sarathos had been a Townie or Mafioso, then how do we know if we've progressed at all?
Pannonian
09-01-2007, 04:39
If we don't know if Sarathos had been a Townie or Mafioso, then how do we know if we've progressed at all?
Such is the beauty of GH games, and the reason why it's a viable tactic for lynched scum to continue talking and misleading. That worked so well in a previous game that people were convinced that Reenk Roink was wrongly lynched, so swayed they were by his pretence. Unfortunately for him, the accusing fingers then pointed at the person who cast the tiebreakng vote on him, his partner Seamus Fermanagh.
GeneralHankerchief
09-01-2007, 05:37
In my experience with running tallies, it makes no difference at all.
Also, it's traditional.
I obviously tally different from you.
Anytime someone gets a vote a column gets started with all people voting for that person in the column.
When someone changes their vote without specifying who they're unvoting I have to hunt for the correct column, find the voter, and move him around.
Keep in mind that I do this with pencil on too-small paper. Sometimes it takes a while to find the right name, especially when a lot of votes are being thrown around and I have a lot of erase marks on the paper. If you specify it makes it that much easier for me since I immediately know which column to look in.
GeneralHankerchief
09-01-2007, 05:42
I like my system just fine.
Lord Winter
09-01-2007, 05:46
Have to agree with Sapi, votes with no reasons are very sucmmy.
Unvote: CA
Vote: Tran
I like my system just fine.
Out with the old in with the new. ~;)
CountArach
09-01-2007, 06:34
Have to agree with Sapi, votes with no reasons are very sucmmy.
Unvote: CA
Vote: Tran
Actually, what you are doing is the exact same as what Tran was doing earlier. You are following someone else's reasoning.
Due to my dislike of hypocrisy:
Vote: Destroyer of Hope
Have to agree with Sapi, votes with no reasons are very sucmmy.
Yes, you need a good reason- like this:
Would you believe me if I said I had a guilty result on Kommodus?:rolleyes:
Unless our detective has already been killed (possible of course), they've surely investigated Sasaki by now. We'll find out long before the end of the game what side Sasaki's on.That's really the only reason not to push for his immediate lynching. IMO, he's exhibiting many of the behaviors that he himself uses to push for the lynching of others.
We don't know if the detective has already investigated him or not- but if he/she is still alive and hasn't yet, they definitely need to. While I'm at it, I guess I would also put Andres and Husar pretty high up on the "to be looked into" list, were it up to me. :yes:
Kagemusha
09-01-2007, 07:07
Vote Husar. During first round he is all over the place and now nowhere to be seen. Are you evading attention my friend?
Beefy187
09-01-2007, 07:35
Vote: Andres
I dont want to do bandwagonning. So i shall do bandwagonning with a bit of reasoning.
Out of three scummy players (Andres, Sasaki and Husar) Lynch Andres people seems to be the strongest. Normally his a great mafia hunter but he is rather quiet. Sasaki seems to be getting alot of attention which is strange for mafia so his fine for now. Husar has gone quiet all of the sudden which seems strange but im sure theres a good reason behind it.
Well basically this is just bandwagonning with me trying to make up random reason.
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
09-01-2007, 07:41
Such is the beauty of GH games, and the reason why it's a viable tactic for lynched scum to continue talking and misleading. That worked so well in a previous game that people were convinced that Reenk Roink was wrongly lynched, so swayed they were by his pretence. Unfortunately for him, the accusing fingers then pointed at the person who cast the tiebreakng vote on him, his partner Seamus Fermanagh.
Ok, so we still do know that there are a max of two mafia right?
Tomorrow I'll comb through posts to see if something spikes my radar.
Ok, so we still do know that there are a max of two mafia right?
Tomorrow I'll comb through posts to see if something spikes my radar.
Yes, GH indicated that there are two mafia and one detective.
Twilightblade
09-01-2007, 07:59
But he also stated that there will always be two kills didn't he?
Vote: Sasaki, don't care who he is, he's not helping, if first you say that you know for sure that Kommo is quilty and after that you unvote him yourself.
Next to that this mafia is different from the ones we saw the last few games. In the last couple of games the mafia went after the active players early on and made sure they didn't get WoG'ed in the end. Here it seems to be different.
Why change a winning strategy? Because someone else is mafia.
Sure that does put Sasaki in the clear, however he's not helping anyone. And sure, he might have been investigated, but if the detective gets killed before he can reveal it's of little use to us. Next to that why investigate Sasaki early on, in my mafia Khaan did not investigate him till round 3 or 4. There are loads of people you want to investigate early on: Kommo, Prole, Pann, Andres, Ichigo, need I continue?
So you're voting for someone you think is most likely innocent?
So you're voting for someone you think is most likely innocent?
No, as it's Sasaki, he would change the strategy, the sneaky devil.
Next to that, if anyone would be acting as he is doing they would get voted upon by him.
So it's week-end, I log on a bit later as usual and I'm already "inactive"? Gah.
Nice reasoning btw guys:
umm, damn. ummm...
Boo to you Sasaki
unvote:kommodus, vote:Andres
Prole has informed me I am a redneck ******* so I'll Vote:Andres and be on my way...
Vote: Andres
I dont want to do bandwagonning. So i shall do bandwagonning with a bit of reasoning.
Out of three scummy players (Andres, Sasaki and Husar) Lynch Andres people seems to be the strongest. Normally his a great mafia hunter but he is rather quiet. Sasaki seems to be getting alot of attention which is strange for mafia so his fine for now. Husar has gone quiet all of the sudden which seems strange but im sure theres a good reason behind it.
Well basically this is just bandwagonning with me trying to make up random reason.
You could at least do some effort and analyse my posts... Laziness... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laziness)
For now, I'll stick to my vote for our friend:
Vote : Don Corleone
Have to do some reading on Husar as well.
Husar's posts. Judge for yourselves:
Well, Sigurd's death does indeed look like we have some sort of newcomer, either new to the game or never mafia before. Could be wrong, but who knows?
Ah well, Sasaki is a deceptive person but if he had anything evil in his mind, doing this in round one would be rather...weird.
Vote: Don Corleone
I think...or maybe I don't.
So let's see, Sasaki makes a hint, we all go for it, he then says it was a joke. In the same minute destroyer of hope says he thinks Sasaki was just joking and blames Ichigo. Sasaki asks him to give further reaoning and he says it was a gut feeling. Does that mean Sasaki off our radar since he was just a funny joking guy or is this the ultimate cover?
Well, he, the clever townie showed us how easily we are guided the wrong way, maybe this was a deception? I can't really say, but I think this was a dangerous joke, he should have expected us to see it as a hint.
I'm not sure about this, but for now Unvote: Don Corleone.
Hear, hear.
Everybody look at me!
Ok, now that we know I'm innocent(actually, we don't, well, you don't, only I do, but maybe I don't since I'm not), I think Sasaki pulled off a bad joke, so I'm going to join Xiahou's bandwagon now and
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
until someone has a better idea.
First off, I'm just saving other people from pointing out that I'm joining a bandwagon, I see that as a public service to keep overal postcounts low.
And then I didn't say Sasaki was suspicious, I said he was deceptive. I also explained that I didn't think he was deceiving in that case, meaning I was willing to believe him. If you read further in the thread, I took away my vote from Don after Sasaki said he was joking, meaning it was not a subtle-but-obvious hint as I were at first willing to believe. I then actually joined Xiahou in voting for Sasaki since, as I said earlier, this was a very nasty joke and makes him very suspicious in my opinion.
Well, that's what really happened.
Who says this was a joke? I'm just trying to be objective even about myself, just claiming I'm innocent won't really help you since it's not proof as you might know.
If people started voting me that would be my own fault because of my joke(which wasn't really a joke anyway, but sooner or later I'll make one anyway ), but then they didn't start voting yet, so either I'm better at it than you or people are biased
Your joke seemed rather genuine to many, including me while my joke, if there was any(ok, I made some before) was visible as a joke and I tend to mark them by using smileys so that people don't get confused as easily.
Oh, I do have my own ideas, voting random would be one, voting you was another one, I actually had it before Xiahou did it, I even thought about it before voting for Don, sometimes it just takes time from the idea to the execution of that idea because I want to think about things. That also means that my vote for you isn't necessarily final though at the moment it will stand.
Suspicious is also when you admit you were joking and people keep their vote, except if you were crazy enough to jokingly accuse your mafia partner. And to be honest, I wouldn't put that past you either.
So, that was a nice and long explanation, wasn't it, I must be guilty, no?
(as you can see, I'm just trying to think a step ahead for you )
Well, you could of course also try to formulate your suspicion using the english language as a tool.
Ok, but is there any good reason?
Well, whether someone hints at it subtly like Sasaki did or gives you a full reveal with faked PMs doesn't really make any evidence, I'd also like to see your "evidence" for voting Ichigo because right now you seem a bit hypocritical at best.
On the other hand, you lurkers are a danger because we can hardly say anything about you, there's usually no evidence against anyone but it's hard to get a feeling for someone who doesn't post at all. There's also a reason for the existance of the WoG.
First off nothing was vehemently, I didn't ask anyone to join in either, which I would if I really wanted a person lynched, I even stated that I might change my vote depending on further discussion. And then I made really long posts to give my reasons for this and that, knowing that I'd be accused of making long posts and you say I had nothing? So my long posts are just hot air and that's why I have to be lynched? Well, in that case I should just lurk I guess.
Ah yeah, let's just switch to Husar. He's a good victim isn't he.
If you want to be that way, I'll keep my vote.
Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Sarathos
Well yeah, I obviously thought about it before and some others made convincing arguments. Will also stop Pannonian from getting on our nerves.
The least you can say is that he was acting rather weird... Very weird :laugh4:
pevergreen
09-01-2007, 11:33
Beefy is mafia. He has never posted this much or in this much detail.
And his time is not being freed up, its being taken away. Blasted Exams.
Dutch_guy
09-01-2007, 11:41
I'm still leaning towards Andres because of suspicious behavior early on. These two kills were pretty good ones for the mafia, so it's likely the mafia has at least one, if not two, experienced players.
My thoughts exactly, although when I was partnered with Andres his kill choices in the initial stages of the game were fairly high profile players. For instance, I believe he wished to kill off Sigurd in the first or second round.
I also believe Kommodus would be either choice one or two for the detective, meaning he probably investigated him already.
:balloon2:
As so many times before in GH’s games, I suspect that he is writing the story with few inputs from the Mafia.
At least he tailors them into his story. The flow from the first words to the end is not changing and it is his style.
If these stories are written by the mafia we have to turn to the US for our killer. The term: Bismarck is only used in the US. In Europe and AUS it is called Berliner.
But my initial feel is that it is GH’s writing and the Mafia only provides names and weapons.
Now what is up with the Ichigo/Disco exchange?
Disco was supposed to stay silent? Not supposed to play?
What? Ichigo and Disco are the Mafiosi and since Disco have the habit of getting himself lynched if he opens his mouth it was best that he hid in the background?
My list of suspects is growing:
Sasaki
Andres
Husar
Pannonian
Ichigo
Discovery1
Byzantine Mercenary
09-01-2007, 12:32
There still isnt any clear evidence in my mind, but i agree with the idea of getting less active players more active so...
Vote: Festershinetop
Even tho I really want to vote Sasaki, Pever might have a point.
Andres is not inactive
Beefy is more active than normal, with better detail, and he has exams
fos Beefy
List of suspects for me:
Beefy
Sasaki
pevergreen
09-01-2007, 13:05
If these stories are written by the mafia we have to turn to the US for our killer. The term: Bismarck is only used in the US. In Europe and AUS it is called Berliner.
Berliner? What does that mean?
Beefy187
09-01-2007, 13:11
when did i say i got exams? Oh right pever said it. Because i dont do science (never do science!!) and i already had my Ancient history exam i got a pretty easy weekend. (oops had couple chinese exams next week)
i only got math exam which is next next week.
this week i got some work to do but i always tend to slack off on friday and saturday. and besides its weekend so i got pretty much nothing to do but EB and mafia.
My increase in activity is because i have nothing to do. You can confirm it by checking the scores on the Org arcade. you should be able to find my name somewhere on scoring board. My increase in detail is just me trying to improve my playing style in general and try help the town much as i can. + i think i am more confident to express what i think after playing couple games with you lot and learned most of your playing styles I might and I will enjoy killing killfr3nzy early as possible when i become mafia (Sarathos can go in my list of killing as well) but killing pever wont do much good because he never believes me and chases me around with a gigantic sticks in real life.
Just to let you know.. Once i start typing i cant stop. I am one of the top spammers in small forums.
Btw i believe Beliner is people from Berlin. Correct me if im wrong
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 14:15
Berliner? What does that mean?
"Ich bin ein Berliner!!!"~JFK
English translation-"I am a jelly filled dougnut!!!"
Gasp!!! The conspiracy theories are true!!! JFK was killed by the mafia!!!
Don Corleone
09-01-2007, 14:15
I find Tran going from a random vote, to two back to back admittedly bandwagon votes HIGHLY suspicious. Consider this a FOS on him.
That being said, I've seen nothing out of Andres that in any way remotely soothes my earlier fears about him. In fact, his continued voting for me, with no additional evidence, just makes him look even guiltier (can't admit a mistake, because if he survives, he'll be forced to acknowledge it down the road, more of a concern for mafia then a townie).
What's more, several people have made cases against him. Rather than answering any of them, he blanketly dismisses them as without merit. W/out merit according to whom, Andres? :inquisitive:
Vote: Andres
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 14:30
Vote: Andres
He's acting lackadaisical. Witness him posting the picture of the godfather and saying its not personal, its business. He bandwagoned Don Corleone on an obviously fake reveal. Beefy187 just seemed to eager to defend Andres last round even though Andres was in no danger. After viewing GH's previous mafia games it seems he has been choosing one veteran and one relatively new player to be mafia. If that is the case then Andres and Beefy187 appear to be our mafia.
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: W&F
who's talking about bandwagoning?
Sarathos: 7 (Warmaster Horus, shlin28, Husar, sapi, Pannonian, Byzantine Mercenary, Lemur)
Andres: 3 (woad&fangs, Ichigo, Don Corleone)
Husar: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Kommodus)
Ichigo: 2 (Destroyer of Hope, Sarathos)
Don Corleone: 2 (Andres, Kagemusha)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, Xiahou)
woad&fangs: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Pannonian: 1 (RoadKill)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeathfire)
greaterkhaan: 1 (Stig)
FesterShinetop: 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstained: 8 (Caius Flaminius, Twilightblade, Brave_Sir_Robin, Beefy187, Dutch_guy, Proletariat, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien)
Didn't vote: 7 (Ignoramus, Tran, Killfr3nzy, FesterShinetop, discovery1, CountArach, Fragony)
Andres 5 (Disco, Ichigo, Beefy, Don, W&F)
Festershinetop 2 (CR, ByzantineMercenary)
Kommo 1 (Tran)
Disco 1 (Sasaki)
Tran 2 (Sapi, DoH)
DoH 1 (CA)
Husar 1 (Kage)
W&F 1 (Stig)
Don 1 (Andres)
New list of suspects:
Sasaki (His acting)
Disco (Sasaki is trying to make a bandwagon, while he knew he wouldn't work. Are they working together)
Beefy (He's supposed to be studying)
Dutch Guy (You never know with him and his abstaining)
W&F (As he isn't bandwagoning)
Also, people who seem to be hunting others:
Don, even tho he claims Andres is hunting him
Ichigo, with some lame reason
W&F, he isn't bandwagoning is he?
Andres, as well
All in all:
Andres is innocent imo. I'm thinking the mafia are:
Disco and Sasaki
Sasaki and someone
Beefy and someone
W&F and someone
Triple post woooooh
After viewing GH's previous mafia games it seems he has been choosing one veteran and one relatively new player to be mafia.
That is bull"poo", as they are decided randomly, sides last one it was Andres and DG wasn't it?
Hmm, Andres doesn't really strike me as guilty atm, just misguided; I think we'd be better off focusing on those who are narrowly avoiding detection though posting the minimum amount possible to be ignored, not just on the active townies...
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 14:58
Okay, so I was wrong about the previous games. I still think Andres is guilty. And whats with your comments about me not bandwagoning?
In fact, his continued voting for me, with no additional evidence, just makes him look even guiltier (can't admit a mistake, because if he survives, he'll be forced to acknowledge it down the road, more of a concern for mafia then a townie).
Meh, I was not satisfied with your defense and this won't make me change my mind.
What's more, several people have made cases against him.
Like I said before: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1658035&postcount=358) what cases?
Your vote is nothing more than pure retaliation. In a nice package, yes, but nothing more than pure retaliation.
My thoughts exactly, although when I was partnered with Andres his kill choices in the initial stages of the game were fairly high profile players. For instance, I believe he wished to kill off Sigurd in the first or second round.
Eh, I don't understand. You think it's me because the kills are made by an experienced player, on the other hand, maybe it isn't me because I killed high profile players in a previous game :inquisitive: What's it going to be?
Hmm, Andres doesn't really strike me as guilty atm, just misguided; I think we'd be better off focusing on those who are narrowly avoiding detection though posting the minimum amount possible to be ignored, not just on the active townies...
Like eh, for example, hum, oh, our friend Byzantine Mercenary (
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1658103&postcount=363) who said:
There still isnt any clear evidence in my mind, but i agree with the idea of getting less active players more active so...
Vote: Festershinetop
Suspicious :inquisitive:
And whats with your comments about me not bandwagoning?
What's your reason for voting Andres?
Type it out, in more than 50 words. If you can't even do that, you're bandwagoning. First you claim that Andres is mafia, because Beefy defended him and GH always picks an experienced and an unexperienced player, which is bull as Beefy played more than you have. Next to that you say that he sounds as a quilty player, if Andres would be mafia he would play it differently, he has been mafia, and we know how he plays, and he doesn't change his style as Sasaki tends to do.
You think it's me because the kills are made by an experienced player
They aren't, as I said before, in all the last games we had experienced players as mafia (Omanes had GH, Ichigo and Sasaki and I had Ichigo and Sasaki (and a third player)). And their strategy was killing the active players, as that way you get rid of all activiness in the game and it slowly begins to die, like Omanes' and my game. That way all you need to do is make one post a round, hardly suspicious.
Edit to this: the kills aren't likely to be made to someone who's new to .org mafia either, as Sigurd got killed on day 1, might be a stroke of luck, but mostlikely we got 2 mafia who've played a couple of games.
Someone as W&F or Beefy.
Or it's Sasaki, who tricks us again.
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 15:07
My reasoning was 80 words. I am not bandwagoning. I voted for him last round too. I would have voted for him sooner this round but it's not my fault I have to sleep.
My reasoning was 80 words. I am not bandwagoning. I voted for him last round too. I would have voted for him sooner this round but it's not my fault I have to sleep.
Your initial reasoning was flawed, give a proper one.
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 15:15
Perhaps you could explain why you think I'm guilty?
I am an idiot. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1658267&postcount=386)
Perhaps you could explain why you think I'm guilty?
He thinks you suspicious because you continue to attempt to evade his questioning...exhibit A ^^
Perhaps you could explain why you think I'm guilty?
What Sapi said.
Next to that I did explain it: your reasoning is flawed, and you are unwilling to give a proper reasoning.
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 15:24
First things first, Lemur, KillFr3nzy just got killed so voting for him is rather pointless. I'm still rather confused as to what I have done to be considered guilty. I'm not trying to avoid answering questions, I'm just not sure what the question is. Is it because you believe I am being a hypocrit by "bandwagoning" Andres and using his Don Corleone bandwagon vote as part of my evidence. I have already explained that I voted for him last turn and all of the Andres votes this round occured while I was sleeping.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 15:27
I urge you all to vote Husar, he should have been lynche yesterday.
unvote,Vote:Husar
Read the posts Andres quoted.
Okay, having already made a fool of myself, I'm going to Vote : Husar. The quote compilation is interesting in all the wrong ways.
Unvote: Tran; Vote: Husar
There is more evidence for Husar than for Tran; and there was no momentum for that lynch anyway.
I urge you all to vote Husar, he should have been lynche yesterday.
unvote,Vote:Husar
Read the posts Andres quoted.
:shrug:
They don't want to listen to me :bigcry:
Ok, since you guys don't wanna go for Don, I'll go with my second choice:
Unvote : Don
Vote : Husar
Reasons: Look at the posts I quoted + nobody wants to lynch Don apparantly :wall:
Dutch_guy
09-01-2007, 16:20
My thoughts exactly, although when I was partnered with Andres his kill choices in the initial stages of the game were fairly high profile players. For instance, I believe he wished to kill off Sigurd in the first or second round.
Eh, I don't understand. You think it's me because the kills are made by an experienced player,
Nope, never said that. If you read what I typed (and quoted again for good reference) you'd see I was agreeing with Prole about her theory on the mafioso. I didn't make any reference to you, those were her words, not mine.
on the other hand, maybe it isn't me because I killed high profile players in a previous game :inquisitive: What's it going to be?
Those weren't my words, as you can reread, but thanks for putting them in my mouth. As for your role, this game, I am undecided. You're reaction to my post was a bit too defensive, and perhaps a bit too eager an attempt to put the pressure back on someone else. If pressure is the correct term here.
:balloon2:
Proletariat
09-01-2007, 17:00
Stig, badgering people's votes in this game with attacks like 'you better state your case in 50 words or more or it's a bandwagon!!' is a tiny bit english-teacher like and a little scummy sounding.
FoS: Stig (and fos: Andres still, haven't forgotten how blood thirsty you were in the first round)
I'll prolly vote Husar if there isn't some good defending or clarification for his case soon, but fwiw, I know from the chat he's at a relatives house this weekend and the internet isn't very dependable.
The big worry in this game is that one of the mafia is prolly someone like Pannonian or Xiahou :sweatdrop:
Kommodus
09-01-2007, 17:37
I'm very busy today and won't be online much, so:
Vote: Husar
Same reasons as last time; while the evidence against him isn't particularly strong I more or less agree with Andres' analysis. Husar's behavior looks a bit strange and defensive to me.
Also,
FoS: Beefy187
Can't really explain in detail right now but the things he's said twig my radar. And finally,
FoS: CountArach
For being the third to jump on Sasaki's little bandwagon! (j/k) :laugh4:
Although, jeez, how many times does Sasaki have to tell you all he's not the detective?! It's been obvious ever since he made that initial post asking if we'd believe he got a guilty result on DC. :dizzy2:
Stig, badgering people's votes in this game with attacks like 'you better state your case in 50 words or more or it's a bandwagon!!' is a tiny bit english-teacher like and a little scummy sounding.
It's supposed to be teacher-like, to get him to post a proper reason for himself, as he's clearly not doing that now.
If I would be mafia I would simply stay low, post a bit, just vote for someone early on and not change my vote, claiming I forgot.
I would not even think of defending Andres, unless he would be my partner in crime.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 18:13
Ok. I'd like to talk to you guys about a little epiphany I had. You know, you go through life without direction really, mainly fulfilling your instincts, hardly ever stopping to ask yourself what the true meaning of life really is. Well I've been thinking about it, and the more I do the more I abhor the violence inherent in these mafia games. Why should we fight each other? Are we not all humans? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? We do. And we do. And, especially in these mafia "games", we do. And that is sad.
I've decided to make a stand. I am in a position to wipe away all the deceit on my own, and I shall do so. Here: I'm one of the mafia, Andres is the other. I said it, now it is up to you to decide what to do. Will you keep on down the path of violence, proudly proclaiming your victory as you trample over our dead bodies? Would there be anything to be proud of in such a victory? How can it be victory if it accompanied by death? I implore you to strive instead for peace and harmony. Here's the deal, no more lynching and no more murder during the night. Love and happiness will flourish.
:bow:
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 18:18
Unvote: Andres
I'm so confused.:dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2:
Sure ~D
Anyway, Unvote: W&F
I can go back to Sasaki again, stop playing like this m8, if anyone else would do it, you would want to lynch him:
Vote: Sasaki
And I suggest others follow my example of voting Sasaki
Far be it from me to stand between you and a lynching. Unvote: Husar, Vote: Sasaki.
Leaving you unmolested while you're proudly proclaiming your mafia status is unacceptable. But a test: which of you is which killer, and what is meant by the methods?
Warmaster Horus
09-01-2007, 18:56
I'll follow Stig's proposal. Vote:Sasaki.
Might someone kind give us a tally?
Wow, ummm....
vote: Sasaki
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 19:08
STOP VOTING FOR SASAKI!!!!
Sasaki is the one player in this game that I am completely convinced is a townie. I kept quiet when Sarathos was bandwagoned but I won't do it again. Sasaki may not be helping the town but I highly doubt he is a mafioso.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 19:10
My god, where is your humanity? Has your soul been overcome by a thirst for blood? End this madness!
Gah, go away for 20 hours and look at the thread now... meh, vote: Sasaki
If hes mafia, good, if not, then he's lying, might as well lynch him.
Dutch_guy
09-01-2007, 19:26
Wow, what the hell ?
An epithany eh, oh well, why not :
Vote Sasaki
:balloon2:
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 19:43
Vote: Disco
Michigan U. is losing to Appalachian State as of half time and then this happens. It's official, Disco has learned mind control. :end:
Ok. I'd like to talk to you guys about a little epiphany I had. You know, you go through life without direction really, mainly fulfilling your instincts, hardly ever stopping to ask yourself what the true meaning of life really is. Well I've been thinking about it, and the more I do the more I abhor the violence inherent in these mafia games. Why should we fight each other? Are we not all humans? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? We do. And we do. And, especially in these mafia "games", we do. And that is sad.
I've decided to make a stand. I am in a position to wipe away all the deceit on my own, and I shall do so. Here: I'm one of the mafia, Andres is the other. I said it, now it is up to you to decide what to do. Will you keep on down the path of violence, proudly proclaiming your victory as you trample over our dead bodies? Would there be anything to be proud of in such a victory? How can it be victory if it accompanied by death? I implore you to strive instead for peace and harmony. Here's the deal, no more lynching and no more murder during the night. Love and happiness will flourish.
:bow:
Who killed me, then?
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 19:53
I'm extremely sorry caius, and I hope some day you'll forgive me.
Pannonian
09-01-2007, 19:55
I don't know if GH applies the rule in this game as he has in the past, but may I remind people of The Spartan's claim in Mafia III? We were puzzled by that because the mafia weren't allowed to claim at all, which meant TS's claim was therefore legally bogus. I don't know what kind of game Sasaki is trying to play here, and the town may decide to lynch him anyway under the "Lynch all liars" guideline, but I'd like GH to confirm whether or not that rule is operative in Mafia VII.
I'm extremely sorry caius, and I hope some day you'll forgive me.
Hold on, hold on.
WHERE IS THE TRUE SASAKI KOJIRO?
Pannonian
09-01-2007, 20:01
Hold on, hold on.
WHERE IS THE TRUE SASAKI KOJIRO?
This is the true Sasaki Kojiro. Were this a D&D game, he'd be Chaotic Chaotic.
Tally
Sasaki: 6 (Dutch, Lemur, Shlin, Stig, Warmaster, Xiahou)
Husar: 5 (Andres, Kage, Kommodus, sapi, Sasaki)
Andres: 4 (Beefy, discovery, DonC, Ichigo)
Fester: 2 (ByzK, CR)
Disco: 1 (W&F)
DoH: 1 (CountA)
Tran: 1 (DoH)
Kommodus: 1 (Tran)
Not voting: 14
(Brave, Fester, Fragony, ghaan, Husar, Ignoramus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Prole, Roadkill, Tiberius, Twilight, Xdeath)
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 20:13
Far be it from me to stand between you and a lynching. Unvote: Husar, Vote: Sasaki.
Leaving you unmolested while you're proudly proclaiming your mafia status is unacceptable. But a test: which of you is which killer, and what is meant by the methods?
Lemur. I once saw you argue in a backroom thread that the true purpose of imprisonment was not to to punish but to rehabilitate. How can you betray your own philosophical leanings by punishing one who has so clearly reformed? Hast thou no shame?
I urge you all to ask yourselves, what would Jesus do?
"Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man" (Genesis 9:6).
Dutch_guy
09-01-2007, 20:19
Ok Sasaki, now you're just freaking me out. :computer:
:balloon2:
Tiberius of the Drake
09-01-2007, 20:27
I really wanty to hear more from inactive players
Vote: fester
EDIT: I just realized i probably shouldnt be talking about ;ess active players
GeneralHankerchief
09-01-2007, 20:34
I don't know if GH applies the rule in this game as he has in the past, but may I remind people of The Spartan's claim in Mafia III? We were puzzled by that because the mafia weren't allowed to claim at all, which meant TS's claim was therefore legally bogus. I don't know what kind of game Sasaki is trying to play here, and the town may decide to lynch him anyway under the "Lynch all liars" guideline, but I'd like GH to confirm whether or not that rule is operative in Mafia VII.
If that's the kind of game Sasaki wants to play, by all means let him play it.
Tratorix
09-01-2007, 21:12
Wow, I'm gone for a while and theres 3 new pages :dizzy2: . Well, I gotta say, Sasaki's ability to manipulate is very impressive. When he says someones guilty(even himself) everyone jumps to vote for who he said. That said, even if he is mafia(which I doubt) I don't think Andres is his partner as he says. This would be the stupidest thing a mafioso could do.
This said i'll Vote:Tran for falling for Sasaki's "Would you believe i'm the detective" thing after he already did it once before and then stated he wasn't the detective.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 21:36
I don't know if GH applies the rule in this game as he has in the past, but may I remind people of The Spartan's claim in Mafia III? We were puzzled by that because the mafia weren't allowed to claim at all, which meant TS's claim was therefore legally bogus. I don't know what kind of game Sasaki is trying to play here, and the town may decide to lynch him anyway under the "Lynch all liars" guideline, but I'd like GH to confirm whether or not that rule is operative in Mafia VII.
Do you think I'm mafia?
Byzantine Mercenary
09-01-2007, 21:37
Ok. I'd like to talk to you guys about a little epiphany I had. You know, you go through life without direction really, mainly fulfilling your instincts, hardly ever stopping to ask yourself what the true meaning of life really is. Well I've been thinking about it, and the more I do the more I abhor the violence inherent in these mafia games. Why should we fight each other? Are we not all humans? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? We do. And we do. And, especially in these mafia "games", we do. And that is sad.
I've decided to make a stand. I am in a position to wipe away all the deceit on my own, and I shall do so. Here: I'm one of the mafia, Andres is the other. I said it, now it is up to you to decide what to do. Will you keep on down the path of violence, proudly proclaiming your victory as you trample over our dead bodies? Would there be anything to be proud of in such a victory? How can it be victory if it accompanied by death? I implore you to strive instead for peace and harmony. Here's the deal, no more lynching and no more murder during the night. Love and happiness will flourish.
:bow:
Wait a min, if you say your mafia and you are, the game is over right? and if you wern't and the game wasn't over your innocent now?
But if you have lied twice you expect us to think you have lied again therefore i will take this at face value and Unvote: Festershinetop and vote: No Lynch. Now will you keep your word?
GeneralHankerchief
09-01-2007, 21:41
Voting No Lynch is not an option.
Your vote for Fester still stands.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 21:43
Wait a min, if you say your mafia and you are, the game is over right? and if you wern't and the game wasn't over your innocent now?
But if you have lied twice you expect us to think you have lied again therefore i will take this at face value and Unvote: Festershinetop and vote: No Lynch. Now will you keep your word?
That's the spirit :thumbsup:
I always keep my word.
Don't fall for Sasaki, he's just playing. Simplest thing is to lynch him now, so we don't have to worry about him anymore. That's what we normally do with people playing around, why would it be different for Sasaki?
Byzantine Mercenary
09-01-2007, 21:54
Don't fall for Sasaki, he's just playing. Simplest thing is to lynch him now, so we don't have to worry about him anymore. That's what we normally do with people playing around, why would it be different for Sasaki?
Oh i agree, the way i see it though if he is offering a townie victory we can afford to give him one round, and then we can lynch him the next round if he is lieing.
GeneralHankerchief
09-01-2007, 21:55
Byz, in case you missed it:
Voting No Lynch is not an option.
Your vote for Fester still stands.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 21:56
Don't fall for Sasaki, he's just playing. Simplest thing is to lynch him now, so we don't have to worry about him anymore. That's what we normally do with people playing around, why would it be different for Sasaki?
Do you think Andres is mafia?
Do you think I am mafia?
Byzantine Mercenary
09-01-2007, 22:00
Byz, in case you missed it:
cheers, ok then i will Unvote: Festershinetop and vote: Abstain is that ok?
CountArach
09-01-2007, 22:00
Unvote:DoH
Vote: Sasaki
Let's just give him what he wants and be done with it.
Woad&Fangs seems to be posting a lot more than his usual quiet self.
FoS: W&F
The world is mad...Stig my reasoning is better than yours.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 22:01
Unvote:DoH
Vote: Sasaki
Let's just give him what he wants and be done with it.
Your reading comprehension is very poor. I have explicitly stated several times that I don't want any lynches.
GeneralHankerchief
09-01-2007, 22:01
Abstaining is fine.
Do you think I am mafia?
Don't care, you're confusing the town.
After we lynched you we don't have to listen to you anymore, as we can say that you're quilty because you have been lynched.
Better out than in.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 22:35
Don't care, you're confusing the town.
After we lynched you we don't have to listen to you anymore, as we can say that you're quilty because you have been lynched.
Better out than in.
Will you answer the question anyway?
No, I don't think you're mafia. But you're not helping anyone but the mafia as it is now. You are drawing people away from clear thinking, better to get people who want to play games out of here. Afterall, that's why you banned The Stranger from your games, didn't you?
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 22:44
Would you equate round 2 of a GH game with lylo?
Playing around is playing around.
Whether I play football in the little village I come from, or play in Amsterdam doesn't matter, it's still the same.
Don Corleone
09-01-2007, 23:21
Are you guys really going to bandwagon Sasaki for acting like an idiot? I mean, not that he hasn't been, but come on, it's the way he always acts when he's not running things. In Capo di Tutti Capo I, he got wind that Louis and Redleg were about to have the FBI agent reveal and fake-revealed right before, to blow that whole trick apart. Everybody remember the fireworks after that one?
Look, I'll grant you Sasaki's being annoying with this whole "I'm the detective", "No, wait, I'm the mafia" "No, wait again, I'm Batman" schtick. But he really is harmless. And it does get people talking.
Tratorix
09-01-2007, 23:27
:furious3: Killing Sasaki for acting stupid gains us nothing he can still mess around and try to influence our votes even if he's dead. I don't know why he seems to be trying to confuse everyone, but lynching him won't stop it.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 23:35
Playing around is playing around.
Whether I play football in the little village I come from, or play in Amsterdam doesn't matter, it's still the same.
Soccer isn't mafia. There is way less information day 2 then there is in lylo. We aren't going to get any good cases today, that takes a few rounds.
*****
False claims and such are meant as a test for willingness to bandwagon. Some significant voting has to occur in a round or you can't use vote analysis in any way significant. But now for example, if a detective gets a guilty result on Don, or on Husar, for example, or if holmes points them out as guilty, we can go back and say "Who voted Sarothos over don and why?" "Who jumped on a ridiculous Sasaki wagon over the Husar wagon with plenty of evidence and why?". Or, *so and so* bandwagon every round so far, but didn't jump on such and such a wagon. Also recall that holmes compares post length and such, and sheer number of posts makes it work better.
That's just how the game works. Now please unvote and lynch Husar (not directed at you Stig, you seem to have something personal against me).
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 23:35
Brave Sir Robin is 100% correct. Unvote: Disco, Vote: Husar At least by lynching Husar there is a chance we got a mafioso. Let the mafia deal with Sasaki, we only have about ten lynches so we shouldn't waste them.
Stig is going all over the place. First it's he's probably mafia, now he says he doesn't think he is mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 23:41
Sasaki: 7 (Dutch, Lemur, Shlin, Stig, Warmaster, Xiahou,CountA)
Husar: 6 (Andres, Kage, Kommodus, sapi, Sasaki,W&F)
Andres: 4 (Beefy, discovery, DonC, Ichigo)
Fester: 3 (ByzK, CR, tiberius)
Tran: 1 (DoH,BSR)
Kommodus: 1 (Tran)
Not voting: 14
( Fester, Fragony, ghaan, Husar, Ignoramus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Prole, Roadkill, Twilight, Xdeath)
Stig, why don't you switch over since you don't think I'm mafia. What do you think of Husar?
Lemur. I once saw you argue in a backroom thread that the true purpose of imprisonment was not to to punish but to rehabilitate. How can you betray your own philosophical leanings by punishing one who has so clearly reformed? Hast thou no shame?
This cruel world has made me mean. No other explanation for it. Oh, and I never made that argument, you lying liar.
Stig is going all over the place. First it's he's probably mafia, now he says he doesn't think he is mafia.
Well, a mafia wouldn't try this. But if someone would it would be Sasaki.
Anyway, he's playing around and being annoying, with a bit of luck he loses interest in the game after he has been lynched.
And when did I have something personal against you Sasaki, don't try to be some stupid victim, grow up. You don't want The Stranger in your games because he plays around, and here you are doing it yourself. You're being a hypocrit, end of story.
Stig, why don't you switch over since you don't think I'm mafia. What do you think of Husar?
Scared?
You do seem to get scared now, now that this round is almost over. Trying to safe yourself anyway? Well you should have thought of that before you begun all this. Fat luck, it's your own mistake, teaches you to stop playing around and being a hypocrit.
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 23:45
He's not being a hypocrite, I thought he was doing something like this. However, it is incredibly annoying so please refrain from doing something like this ever again.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-01-2007, 23:46
This cruel world has made me mean. No other explanation for it. Oh, and I never made that argument, you lying liar.
Goody. Now what do you think of Husar? You suspected him before correct? Do you think I'm mafia?
Don Corleone
09-01-2007, 23:47
Well, a mafia wouldn't try this. But if someone would it would be Sasaki.
Anyway, he's playing around and being annoying, with a bit of luck he loses interest in the game after he has been lynched.
And when did I have something personal against you Sasaki, don't try to be some stupid victim, grow up. You don't want The Stranger in your games because he plays around, and here you are doing it yourself. You're being a hypocrit, end of story.
Actually, if memory serves correctly, you can expect Sasaki to get more inane once he gets lynched.
This is driving me nuts. I probably deserve to get lynched next round for changing my vote so late, but while Andres is my #1, Husar IS my #2. Sasaki, on the other hand, would have to be a moron if he was mafia. He very well may be, but he's going to have to turn himself inside out to get out of the corner he's painted himself into, to survive the rest of this game.
Unvote: Andres Vote: Husar
Though I really wish it was Andres up on the gallows this round. And I'm not too sure about Tran, either. Are we sure there's only 2 mafia?
Tratorix
09-01-2007, 23:47
Brave Sir Robin is 100% correct. Unvote: Disco, Vote: Husar At least by lynching Husar there is a chance we got a mafioso. Let the mafia deal with Sasaki, we only have about ten lynches so we shouldn't waste them.
Why are you pointing out my argument and then voting against Husar? I didn't mention him in my argument at all.:inquisitive:
woad&fangs
09-01-2007, 23:47
Stig, if you do not change your vote I will push for your lynching during every round until the end of this game. Put your feelings aside and do what is best for the town.
Unvote:Andres, Vote:Husar I'll leave it like that.
Stig, if you do not change your vote I will push for your lynching during every round until the end of this game. Put your feelings aside and do what is best for the town.
Oh, by all means, vote me, won't do you any good tho.
Sasaki is playing around, he banned people from his games because they were playing around. ie: playing around is bad for the game and helps the mafia.
Helping the mafia = bad and evil.
Proletariat
09-01-2007, 23:51
I dunno about the stranger stuff, but Sasaki's making sense and most people voting him are doing it because 'he's being an :daisy:' or 'hey he wants it.'
Husar and Andres still seem most scummy to me, they've actually seemed out of character for themselves this round, unlike Sasaki who seems to be behaving normally for him (not always a good thing, townie or not, I know). I'll vote: Husar here to stymy what I think is another bad lynch for us, even though I think Andres might be a little more scummy.
Edit: Jesus Christ, 6 posts in 3 minutes? When I wrote this I was actually tieing the vote.
Don Corleone
09-01-2007, 23:52
Oh, by all means, vote me, won't do you any good tho.
Sasaki is playing around, he banned people from his games because they were playing around. ie: playing around is bad for the game and helps the mafia.
Helping the mafia = bad and evil.
Look, Stig, be reasonable. If you have an issue with Sasaki, let's lay it out on the table during the next night round, when the mafia are sending in there PM's. But voting is serious business. Lynching Sasaki just because you have a grudge against him outside the game is really poor form.
Look, Stig, be reasonable. If you have an issue with Sasaki, let's lay it out on the table during the next night round, when the mafia are sending in there PM's. But voting is serious business. Lynching Sasaki just because you have a grudge against him outside the game is really poor form.
Oh, for %$!$@!^ sake, I have no %$!@$! issue with anyone. END OF STORY OK
Proletariat
09-01-2007, 23:56
Are you joking around, stig? If not, it's always a little strange when someone goes on a profanity laced tirade to explain how detached and unemotional they're being.
:inquisitive:
Beefy187
09-01-2007, 23:58
This better be part of your awesome plan sasaki..
So far his doing great job making us think that his not mafia using philosophy and random reveals. So i say we give him 2 more round to live just incase he is detective or something.
Stig seems eagar to catch this mafia like he always so his probebly innocent.
Husar..ill have to read the post couple times again. I dont really find him suspecious.
Andres.. I dont remember defending him. I think i said like i dont find him suspecious but thats because its a real pain for me to read 2 pages of posts in english,every word small font. I did vote for him eventhough it was shameless bandwagonning.
Just to get rid of couple FoS i received (its a great honour to receive one of those) let me be very clear to you. I have no exams (apart from chinese exams which i cant study right now) until next week. So i got entire next weekend+ monday which I dont think i got any exams on to study for it. So the reason "you should be studyin" is correct. Yes i should be studying. But I dont have to study just yet.
Im sure the mafia wouldnt bother killing me because i tend to get lynched very easily. Please dont make that mistake again.. Its just my nature/ playing style of over reacting to something, looking scummy, posting long posts, possting like every 5 min.
Anyhow ill stick to my vote because i dont think killing Sasaki is necessary just yet. He might have some shocking terrifying evil master plan to get rid of the mafia at once. Then again i might be wrong so give him specific details about how much time he can live for.
Is there anything alse i can do to convince that im innocent?
Sasaki Kojiro
09-02-2007, 00:00
TS lied at the end of Kung Fu mafia, claiming Xdeath had a role. His claim was made to be believable, he stuck with it the entire way, and there was no way it would help the town out. He convinced everyone he was scum and the lynched him, causing the town to lose the game.
I made up a few ridiculous stories at the beginning of this game that weren't supposed to be believed, recanted them, and have shown how they will help the town out.
Let's just leave it at that.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-02-2007, 00:04
Lemurs vote for killfrenzy after he had just been killed makes me curious.
Don Corleone
09-02-2007, 00:08
Lemurs vote for killfrenzy after he had just been killed makes me curious.
Your point being that he did it on purpose, just to make himself look like a townie that's not paying attention? Possible, but doubtful. He's way down my list at this point. If he were guilty, he would have kept his mouth shut during Andres' whole railroading adventure.
GeneralHankerchief
09-02-2007, 00:12
Chill, guys. It's a game. :yes:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-02-2007, 00:15
Hey stig, I'm sorry for suggesting you had a thing against me. I hadn't really considered your point of view on the matter.
seireikhaan
09-02-2007, 00:15
Look, I know he's being annoying, but Sasaki can do that whether he's alive or dead. I'm pretty sure he's just being his (irr)regular self and I personally see no reason to kill a towny, even an annoying one. It is ultimately the philosophy you folks are using now that clinched the loss for the town in KFM(not that they were gonna catch me next round anyways:beam: )
Vote: Dutch Guy. You seem a bit more active than usual, and jumped on Sasaki a little too willingly for my liking.
Let's put this game in the fast lane, shall we?
Dear omnipotent Host, hear our prayer.
Let thy wrath be upon those of us who do not contribute.
Let thy light thin out the shadows, that those who do evil works in them have no shelter.
Let the cry from the blood of our dead reach your ears, dear infallible host.
Too long have we suffered in the idleness of those who do not vote.
Hear our prayer, God of wrath.
Stretch thine hand over us and weed the chaff from amongst the wheat.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-02-2007, 00:17
Amen.
GeneralHankerchief
09-02-2007, 00:18
I appreciate the directing of prayer at me, but it's only Round 2. Maybe later.
seireikhaan
09-02-2007, 00:19
Ditto w/ Sasaki.
CountArach
09-02-2007, 00:41
I appreciate the directing of prayer at me, but it's only Round 2. Maybe later.
haha
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Stig
He is getting really defensive.
:laugh4:
Wow, this is funny, but just go ahead.
Haven't really had internet access for now, I'm with my family over the weekend so I get access to my dad's PC sometimes but not when he is using it. In addition I actually forgot I was playing here until about an hour ago. :laugh4:
Well, I don't even have the time to read through all posts, just read some of my votes. Well, yeah, I made myself look like a mafioso but if I said I were innocent, would you believe me then? :inquisitive: :laugh4:
You shall be forgiven if you find the real mafia later.:hippie:
GeneralHankerchief
09-02-2007, 00:57
Let's see now... the kills were on Page... eleven? And it's now Page... sixteen?
*starts chugging*
Voting over. Stand by for the execution. Make yourself comfortable, too.
I'll take PMs now.
Make yourself comfortable, too.
I'm very comfortable, thank you.:2thumbsup:
GeneralHankerchief
09-02-2007, 02:24
It was, by all means, a strange afternoon. In this second round of voting Chief of Police Beirut witnessed several ploys, bandwagons, counter-bandwagons, anti-bandwagons, a fake epiphany, and a man saying that he had no grudge against anyone while screaming and cursing. And there was the matter of the two gruesome kills earlier in the day.
But now was his favorite part of the day. Finally he could get it all over with with a nice, easy, lynching. He trusted the town's acumen; it's why he allowed the democratic system to prop up in the first place. Surely they would smoke out the mafia, and quickly too. As of Day Two, Beirut radiated confidence.
"Gentlemen," he said to the assembled crowd, "You have hereby determined that Husar is guilty of murder. Husar, before you are executed, do you have anything to say for yourself?"
Husar stepped up to the gallows. His hair looked moderately scraggly and his whole persona looked pale. However, his appearance did not match up with his demeanor, which still approached cheerful.
"Not really. Good luck guys," he said with a grin. "See some of you soon, eh?"
"I hope not," said Beirut. He pulled the lever and that was that. "Well," he said, this time to everyone, "Hopefully you got the right man this time. Let's all go home and sleep this one off. Perhaps tomorrow we'll all get back to normal."
The townspeople departed, and that concluded a strange day indeed.
Voting tally for Round 2:
Husar: 9 (woad&fangs, Ichigo, Sasaki Kojiro, sapi, Proletariat, Kommodus, Andres, Don Corleone, Kagemusha) :skull:
Sasaki Kojiro: 6 (Warmaster Horus, shlin28, Stig, Dutch_guy, Xiahou, Lemur)
Andres: 2 (Beefy187, discovery1)
FesterShinetop: 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Tiberius of the Drake)
Tran: 2 (Destroyer of Hope, Brave_Sir_Robin)
Stig: 1 (CountArach)
Dutch_guy: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Kommodus: 1 (Tran)
Abstained: 5 (Twilightblade, Husar, Pannonian, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien, Byzantine Mercenary)
Didn't vote: 5 (Ignoramus, RoadKill, Xdeathfire, FesterShinetop, Fragony)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (33)
woad&fangs
Ignoramus
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
Destroyer of Hope
RoadKill
Xdeathfire
Twilightblade
Sasaki Kojiro
Brave_Sir_Robin
Beefy187
Warmaster Horus
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Andres
Pannonian
FesterShinetop
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Fragony
Byzantine Mercenary
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Kommodus
09-02-2007, 03:43
Just got caught up, more or less, and, er... wierd round. :inquisitive:
First we have Sasaki doing something I never expected to see him do: pulling a Spartan (see glossary). Well, sort of. It's generally agreed that a villager claiming to be mafia helps the mafia, but Sasaki changed it up a bit this time by recanting quickly, claiming he did it to get discussion going and gauge reactions. As a result of his recantation, Husar gets lynched.
Do I agree with Sasaki's tactics? Sorry bro, not this time. You know I'm a fan of a lot of what you do, but I think this one backfired, for the following reasons:
1. You didn't generate discussion, just a lot of bandwagon votes without much substance.
2. You focused all the attention on yourself instead of allowing people to consider all angles. This is what happened as a result of the stunt I pulled in that one old Roman-themed game (forgot the name), and it didn't help the town. The mafia love this - with everyone looking in the same direction, it's easy to hide.
3. How exactly did you expect people to respond to your "claim?" Or, what would a rational response be? My response would've been "hm, Sasaki is being extremely confusing, making it impossible for us to tell whether or not he's guilty. Because he's such a dangerous player, the best thing we can do at this point is just to lynch him."
If you're town, I recommend using other tactics. However, we all know how good you are at acting the same whether you're town or scum...
So, what do I think of Husar's lynching? Well, I guess I'm fine with it - I voted for him, after all, and felt he should've been lynched in the first round. As I was reading, I was at first curious that he didn't put up a more vigorous defense, as most mafia would - but he admitted to being away from the internet until the round was just about over, when a strong defense would've been highly suspicious and too late to change anything.
Finally, we have this curious line from the execution scene:
Husar stepped up to the gallows. His hair looked moderately scraggly and his whole persona looked pale.
This after the description of one of the killers:
A wild man with long, unkempt hair and beard, a dirty face, and a grass skirt...
Clad only in a grass skirt, this person that had set up the trap was poorly-groomed. He had long, unkempt hair and a similar beard...
GH is known for putting small clues in his execution scenes, indicating whether or not the town was correct. This could be one. If it is one, I'd say GH was being tremendously obvious this time, which makes me think that perhaps it isn't one after all. But this is rather WIFOM.
Anyway, that's all I got for now. :book:
Wow mafia games have gotten a little ... baroque ... since the last time I played one.
Lemurs vote for killfrenzy after he had just been killed makes me curious.
That's pretty easy to explain. I looked at the list of active players after the last lynching, picked someone who hadn't been posting, and voted for him. And then had it pointed out to me that I had just voted for a person who had been killed.
This does not make me innocent, though. I was just as air-headed the one time I was a mafioso, which was either Mafia 3 or 4. I was picking victims as randomly as possible, and I picked dead people at least twice.
Idiot, absent-minde mafiosos also make idiot, absent-minded villagers.
GeneralHankerchief
09-02-2007, 05:07
Mafia II, actually.
Ahh, the memories...
Chill, guys. It's a game. :yes:
Indeed.
:brood:
Twilightblade
09-02-2007, 11:28
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Chill, guys. It's a game.
Indeed.
:brood:
Aye a game is a game
TevashSzat
09-02-2007, 13:09
Sigh.....You people spend wayyyyyyyyyy too much time at the org.
From wat I can see in the past 8 pages, Sasaki is just fooling around much like what The Stranger did before. I would hope that everyone realizes it.
Even though this vote does no good, Vote: CA
He was the true first person to join Sasaki's bandwagon on Kommodus. Disco probably never knew about what Sasaki did in the first round since he didnt post at all, but CA knew and it was pretty obvious it was a joke again there.
His second bandwagoning on Sasaki all suggests that hes too eager to get someone lynched irregardless of whether they are really mafia or not.
Also, btw I dont lurk, I just dont go on the org much now
Sasaki is just fooling around much like what The Stranger did before.
My point exactly, if you ban someone from your games for spoiling the game don't do it yourself.
Kagemusha
09-02-2007, 13:40
Sasaki were you drunk yesterday? Or do you really think that what you are doing is helpfull for the town? Or maybe just bit bored?:thumbsdown:
Dutch_guy
09-02-2007, 14:59
Even though this vote does no good, Vote: CA
Ehm, your vote does no good because there hasn't been a kill this round, not yet at least.
:balloon2:
Warmaster Horus
09-02-2007, 17:23
From what I can see in the past 8 pages, Sasaki is just fooling around much like what The Stranger did before. I would hope that everyone realizes it.
I think we do, however in a recent mafia (KFM, I believe) The Stranger's actions became problematic for the town. They'd have won had he not fooled around.
Even though this vote does no good, Vote: CA
:brood: Why did you vote CA during night? You saw the last 8 pages, you probably noticed that Husar was lynched.
Kommodus
09-02-2007, 23:20
I think we do, however in a recent mafia (KFM, I believe) The Stranger's actions became problematic for the town. They'd have won had he not fooled around.
I don't think it's quite fair to compare what Sasaki did here with what TS did in KFM. As Sasaki already pointed out, TS made up his story with as much credibility as possible and stuck to it to the end. Not only that, but he did it at the end of the game, maliciously sabatoging his own side (the town). Sasaki did it early in the game, with the intent (presumably) of generating discussion and helping the town; also, he recanted quickly instead of keeping up the charade.
I've already pointed out my reasons why I felt it was still a misguided stunt, but there's no reason to be on Sasaki's case as if the two actions were the same. We're walking into a minefield of moral equivalence here, people... :creep:
seireikhaan
09-02-2007, 23:27
I agree, what Sasaki's done here is nowhere to the malicious level that TS was on. Also, congrats on 1,000 posts, Kommodus!
GeneralHankerchief
09-02-2007, 23:33
Kills may be up a bit late tonight. Labor Day/family stuff. I'll be on when I can.
RoadKill
09-03-2007, 02:54
Hey, did I get lynched, wasn't on for two days cause my grandfather went to the hospital.
GeneralHankerchief
09-03-2007, 02:58
No, you weren't lynched.
Kills to come shortly.
TevashSzat
09-03-2007, 03:40
Wow, I must have missed a page or two there.
I dont necessarily mean that TS and Sasaki's actions are comparable, but those we actually do these kinda things are usually townies in the few mafia i have played in. Sasaki isn't being helpful at all which by itself could earn him a lynch as shown in this round, but I believe it is wiser to look at those who all initially bandwagoned on Sasaki before too much discussion has taken place about his "joke"
GeneralHankerchief
09-03-2007, 03:44
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Despite the fact that four people had been killed in the past two days, life still went on for most of the townspeople. They, like their Chief of Police, were confident that the scum would eventually be smoked out.
Sasaki Kojiro was one of these people. After surviving two lynchings by the skin of his teeth and thoroughly annoying several townspeople he decided to go blow off some steam by seeing a film at the local cinema. It would be a comedy, of course, something to take his mind off of the horrible events that were taking place.
After buying his ticket, popcorn, and entering the theater, Sasaki realized that he wasn't the only person with this idea. A lone figure was sitting in the back of the theater, taking the picture in quietly. Sasaki nodded at the figure and took a seat closer to the middle.
Several minutes elapsed. In between his munches of popcorn he caught snatches of a voice that didn't come from the screen. Interested, he stopped eating and listened intently.
"...stupid townies, so violent yesterday, and they'll only get worse... fools..."
Sasaki froze. Surely only one type of person would talk like that. He turned around, getting a closer look at the figure. He gasped. The face, while somewhat shrouded by the darkness of the theater, still held the characteristics of the man known as Mr. Arlan Frederick Ivanovich Ace. He had to be the mafioso.
...but if he was the mafioso, well... one of them was known for poisoning his victims... and there he was... sitting with a half-eaten bag of popcorn...
He screamed, knowing his time was limited, and ran out of the theater. He had to tell the Chief of Police what he saw.
The mafioso stood up and calmly shot him in the back six times. After that he reloaded and shot him six more times, just to make sure that Sasaki The Infalliable was truly, in fact, dead. He shook his head and sat back down.
"Poisoned popcorn, I never would have thought of that. Poor fool..."
After a short pause, he made his way to Sasaki's seat and began munching on the perfectly untainted popcorn. It was delicious.
At around the same time, Byzantine Mercenary's doorbell rang. After a minute's deliberation, he decided to answer the door and see who it was. Greeting him was the mailman, although he had never seen this one before. This one was clean-shaven with short, cropped hair.
"The other one probably just fled after the first killings," Byz said to himself reassuringly. "He looks enough like a mailman." To said mailman, he said "What can I do for you?" in a louder voice.
The mailman simply smiled. "Day's mail, as always," he said. "Enjoy." He tipped his hat and exited after handing Byz the day's mail.
Byz put the mail on his kitchen table and started sorting through it. "Hmm... junk, junk, bills, junk, insurance pamphlet (wow, that's surprising, guess they haven't heard of the killings yet), bills, postcard from Seamus (man, he picked a lucky time to go on vacation), hmm, what's this?" A small package was the last thing to be sorted.
"Acme Products," Byz said, reading the name off the package. "Hmm, never heard of 'em." He opened it anyway, surprised at what he saw. Inside was what claimed to be a free sample of a new, no-fuss cleaning product that was guaranteed to hook you. There were two plastic bottles, one with bleach and ammonia.
"And all I'm supposed to do is mix them together, eh?" Byz looked around. His house was a mess. "Well," he said, "I guess we'll see just how 'no-fuss' it is after all." He coughed and mixed the two bottles together. A few seconds later, he collapsed.
Ten minutes later, the mailman again walked up to the door, but this time he went right in without ringing the doorbell (after, of course, making sure his gas max was properly attached). After making his way into the kitchen and seeing the ugly corpse, he smiled and walked back out of the house.
"Fool," he said. "Who doesn't know that bleach and ammonia make chlorine?"
Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered all of the villagers into the town square to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "Obviously you all know why we're gathered here today."
"You're going to announce the headline performer for this year's Town Fair?"
Beirut groaned, pulled out his gun, and shot the villager who spoke out of turn. "Trust me," he said to the gasping townies, "If that comment was any indicator the mafia would have overwhelmed him pretty easily. As I was saying, we are here today because the mafia are still at large. So that means we need to lynch another person. Because I like to spice things up a bit, the person you find guilty tonight will die via the electric chair. So, make sure you get the right person. I've heard too many reports of these things not working well and I wouldn't want anyone but a mafioso to experience all that electricity running through them but not killing them.
"Anyway, I'm done monologuing. Get voting!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (31)
woad&fangs
Ignoramus
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
Destroyer of Hope
RoadKill
Xdeathfire
Twilightblade
Brave_Sir_Robin
Beefy187
Warmaster Horus
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Andres
Pannonian
FesterShinetop
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Fragony
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
~~~~~~~~
Due to US Labor Day, voting will probably go on a bit longer than usual.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 03:55
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Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 03:56
[Mafia II]Hey, who here knows chemistry? They must have written the 2nd kill.[/Mafia II]
I'll stick with Vote:Andres
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seireikhaan
09-03-2007, 04:09
I'm going to stick with Vote: Dutch Guy, for the same reasons as last time.
Tiberius of the Drake
09-03-2007, 04:42
Vote:Ichigo
targeting mods, un-needed bandwagon icon, also..well he's Ichigo.:smile:
Who's targeting mods? Not I, Andres is off not by much but he is still off which makes me very suspicious of him.
CountArach
09-03-2007, 05:19
Who would kill Sasaki? He makes himself a target.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 05:30
I admit I'm surprised to come up dead as well. One would think nearly getting lynched would ensure ones survival for a while.
ByzK was perhaps killed because the mafia thought his belief that my claim was genuine made him look innocent.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 05:31
@Ichigo:Andres in the past has tried to look very pro towny as mafia. Not that this behavior rules him out.
@Ichigo:Andres in the past has tried to look very pro towny as mafia. Not that this behavior rules him out.
Yeah well I don't really have anything else to go on. Nothing in the past two rounds helps much. :sweatdrop:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 05:46
So sticking with your vote doesn't make all that much sense then, does it?
So sticking with your vote doesn't make all that much sense then, does it?
My vote will stay.
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