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I'm not used to the mafia offing people who are attracting votes. Being lynch-bait used to mean you were spared for several rounds. Clearly, things have changed while I've been gone.
Theories? Suspicions? Stratagems?
I remember in Mafia II and on some clever monkey was keeping a fool-proof spreadsheet that tracked votes and behavior to lay the finger 'o' suspicion accurately. Is this still being done, or is the method useless now that it's known?
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 06:10
Aha, Kommodus has long since moved past that primitive system, he now uses the immensely more complex and powerful "holmes".
I say we lynch lemur. He seems scummy.
Hooray for mod-on-mod violence! Oh, wait though, you're dead, so I can't even give you a retaliatory vote. Ho-hum.
I'm not used to the mafia offing people who are attracting votes. Being lynch-bait used to mean you were spared for several rounds. Clearly, things have changed while I've been gone.
Theories? Suspicions? Stratagems?
I remember in Mafia II and on some clever monkey was keeping a fool-proof spreadsheet that tracked votes and behavior to lay the finger 'o' suspicion accurately. Is this still being done, or is the method useless now that it's known?
It's basically useless unless the mafia is new to the game or extremely stupid.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 06:29
Hooray for mod-on-mod violence! Oh, wait though, you're dead, so I can't even give you a retaliatory vote. Ho-hum.
It's scummy to casually brush aside accusations. It's also scummy to leap easily from wagon to wagon without giving reason, as you did in the other rounds.
He seems scummy isn't an accusation that you can actually defend yourself from...
Tratorix
09-03-2007, 06:48
Well, i'm gonna Vote:shlin28. looking back through the voting records, he's jumped on anything that even resembles a bandwagon.
RoadKill
09-03-2007, 07:32
It's scummy to casually brush aside accusations. It's also scummy to leap easily from wagon to wagon without giving reason, as you did in the other rounds.
I'm in total agreement with Sasaki here, Vote:Lemur
It's scummy to casually brush aside accusations. It's also scummy to leap easily from wagon to wagon without giving reason, as you did in the other rounds.
What a vindictive and accusatory ghost you're turning out to be! I led the bandwagon in the first round for reasons I stated, namely that I thought it was highly suspicious to suggets that frequent posters should be lynched. I voted for you in the second round because you were behaving so erratically, as you are now. And I haven't voted for anyone yet this round.
How does that fit into your "scummy" gun, Sasaki?
You were too obvious Sasaki... :shame:
Hooray for mod-on-mod violence! Oh, wait though, you're dead, so I can't even give you a retaliatory vote. Ho-hum.
Vote : Lemur
How about that, funny guy :brood:
I'm in total agreement with Sasaki here, Vote:Lemur
Hi Roadkill. What are your thoughts on the game thus far?
EDIT: Oops, didn't see this:
Hey, did I get lynched, wasn't on for two days cause my grandfather went to the hospital.
Well, if you're voting because you believe I'm mafia, then more power to ya. If you're basing your vote on Sasaki's (demonstratedly) false claims, then you're a fool.
Well, if you're voting because you believe I'm mafia, then more power to ya. If you're basing your vote on Sasaki's (demonstratedly) false claims, then you're a fool.
That's very defensive taking into account that it should have been obvious that my vote was meant as a joke :inquisitive:
Oh, it was a joke vote. How could I misunderstand?
Twilightblade
09-03-2007, 08:47
Interesting...
Aye but if mafia games were boring no one would play them:2thumbsup:
Oh, it was a joke vote. How could I misunderstand?
Anyway, now that you are here and online and all, what are your thoughts on the game thus far? Which posts caught your eyes? Something that seems suspicious to you? Something to analyse? Or is voting non responding lurkers who are WoG'bait anyway and reacting overly defensive against any post that has some smell of an accusation sufficient for you?
Talk :whip:
Proletariat
09-03-2007, 08:54
Vote: Andres
Vote: Andres
~:confused:
Care to explain?
:laugh4:
Fear the power of the bandwagon smilie.
Yeah well I don't really have anything else to go on. Nothing in the past two rounds helps much. :sweatdrop:
We already have 18 pages of discussion... You sure must have some thoughts on other players as well, don't you?
Is there something useful in the current round?
Beefy187
09-03-2007, 09:00
Vote:Shlin
arent you more active normally? Like in Il Pedrinho you were more actively involved in the discussion.
As for Sasaki being killed.. If he was a detective, your tactic is highly effective i think. Because you were looking like a just one funny townie trying to spoil the game. Mafia shouldve left you alone for a while until you get lynched.
Ok since Sasaki got killed, mafia was trying to make them as if they are in experienced character. Plus they were a little paranoid about Sasaki really being an detective. So im guessing person who killed Sasaki is experienced player who joined bandwagonning on Sasaki or at least tried to put suspecion on him.Person is probebly not Stig because his playing like a active townie.
The person who killed Sasaki is the person who killed both Pever and Killfr3nzy who both go to my school thus putting a suspecion on Me+ Twilightblade, which means the person have been playing couple games with us.
So who would that be?
I doubt it that its Shlin. But i just find it suspecious because Shlin is more active normally.
We already have 18 pages of discussion... You sure must have some thoughts on other players as well, don't you?
Is there something useful in the current round?
Nah.
I'd say Lemur should be watched. I think you should be lynched.
I doubt it that its Shlin. But i just find it suspecious because Shlin is more active normally.
If you doubt that it is shlin, then why are you voting him?
What do you think about the other players?
Nah.
I'd say Lemur should be watched. I think you should be lynched.
And of course, giving any reason or explanation is not required :inquisitive:
Vote:Shlin
arent you more active normally? Like in Il Pedrinho you were more actively involved in the discussion.
As for Sasaki being killed.. If he was a detective, your tactic is highly effective i think. Because you were looking like a just one funny townie trying to spoil the game. Mafia shouldve left you alone for a while until you get lynched.
Ok since Sasaki got killed, mafia was trying to make them as if they are in experienced character. Plus they were a little paranoid about Sasaki really being an detective. So im guessing person who killed Sasaki is experienced player who joined bandwagonning on Sasaki or at least tried to put suspecion on him.Person is probebly not Stig because his playing like a active townie.
The person who killed Sasaki is the person who killed both Pever and Killfr3nzy who both go to my school thus putting a suspecion on Me+ Twilightblade, which means the person have been playing couple games with us.
So who would that be?
I doubt it that its Shlin. But i just find it suspecious because Shlin is more active normally.
You say that as if you knew what they were thinking.
Unvote:Andres, Vote:Beefy187
Vote:Shlin
arent you more active normally? Like in Il Pedrinho you were more actively involved in the discussion.
As for Sasaki being killed.. If he was a detective, your tactic is highly effective i think. Because you were looking like a just one funny townie trying to spoil the game. Mafia shouldve left you alone for a while until you get lynched.
Ok since Sasaki got killed, mafia was trying to make them as if they are in experienced character. Plus they were a little paranoid about Sasaki really being an detective. So im guessing person who killed Sasaki is experienced player who joined bandwagonning on Sasaki or at least tried to put suspecion on him.Person is probebly not Stig because his playing like a active townie.
The person who killed Sasaki is the person who killed both Pever and Killfr3nzy who both go to my school thus putting a suspecion on Me+ Twilightblade, which means the person have been playing couple games with us.
So who would that be?
I doubt it that its Shlin. But i just find it suspecious because Shlin is more active normally.
Interesting. I'd hardly say that the first conclusion that a townie would jump to upon seeing a kill is 'oh, they must have tried to kill the detective', especially when the odds in this game are so much against it...
Add that to the comment Andres highlighted, and I'll have to go Vote: Beefy for now...
It does seem awfully stupid of the mafia to kill off Sasaki, though - he always attracts votes, and would have been a very useful distraction (and had been to date)...
And of course, giving any reason or explanation is not required :inquisitive:
Already did not doing it again. ~;)
Beefy187
09-03-2007, 09:06
Hey im a wanna be phycologist.
But true I do look scummy dont I?
how can i prove that im innocent?
Hey im a wanna be phycologist.
But true I do look scummy dont I?
how can i prove that im innocent?
Yes, suicide.
Already did not doing it again. ~;)
You unvoted me. How nice.
Anyway, you indeed explained why you are suspicious about me. Because I'm "off"... :shrug:
Did you already explain why we should watch Lemur?
You unvoted me. How nice.
Anyway, you indeed explained why you are suspicious about me. Because I'm "off"... :shrug:
Did you already explain why we should watch Lemur?
Indeed
Yeah. If you knew why did you ask?
It's obvious. Now you're just making me post for no reason.
pevergreen
09-03-2007, 09:14
You do that anyway :laugh4:
Eighteen pages with no real leads. I'd say that posting for no reason is in our lifeblood right now. If you're going to be all terse and suspicious, well, no beer for you at the next lynching.
You do that anyway :laugh4:
:bigcry:
Alright... this is getting out of hand.
I can no longer find the kill descriptions or the lynchings.
533 posts and the third round has just started.
The host or a moderator needs to open a new thread where these can be found seperately.
Eighteen pages with no real leads. I'd say that posting for no reason is in our lifeblood right now. If you're going to be all terse and suspicious, well, no beer for you at the next lynching.
You're one to talk. Sigurd search GH's posts you've only got one shot though.
Twilightblade
09-03-2007, 09:27
Vote: Beefy
I want to know how you think that whoever did the kills is trying to put suspicion on you and me
Also they could have read previous games and learnt that we go to the same school
Beefy187
09-03-2007, 09:28
I will not suicide. Its against my ritual. I havnt been defeated. Any how my analysis so far. I was gonna bold all the names but i keep getting spoilers. so i wont bother
woad&fangs: potential scum. His usually more active isnt he? His been quiet for a while
Ignoramus: Havnt seen him watch. But dont know how he plays anyway so im not sure.
greaterkhaan:He seems to have his own opinion. not going on bandwagoning soo often as others. Never seen him playing as scum so im not sure.
Tran:Sticking to his usual playing style. Should be fine for now
Ichigo: His being him self. Seems innocent but since his one of our best players he can easily fool me.
Destroyer of Hope: Dont know him very well. But im fine with him soo far
RoadKill:His absense can be explained. So his fine for now
Xdeathfire:He seems to be in character so far
Twilightblade: HEY MATE!! Im gonna take him with me if I die. But soo far he seems fine
Brave_Sir_Robin:Dont know him very well
Beefy187: IM innocent. trust me!
Warmaster Horus:Havnt seen much of him yet. his good player but he doesnt talk much does he?
shlin28: We need your famous Shlin list
Stig: Im pretty sure his innocent.
sapi: Im also convinced that his innocent
Dutch_guy:seems to be in character
Proletariat: You seem to be in character
Crazed Rabbit: Dont know you very well
Kommodus: I like you.Your lovely
Tiberius of the Drake: Dont know you very well
Andres: People keep saying SCUMMY SCUMMY!! but i really cant tell how he is being scummy.
Pannonian:Dont know you much
FesterShinetop: Dont know you much
discovery1: Dont know you much.
CountArach:Your also one of quiet people arent you? You seems in character to me.
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien: Dont know you much
Don Corleone:Dont know you much.
Fragony: Dont know you much.
Xiahou:Dont know you much.
Lemur:Heard a lot about you. But dont know you very well. im guessing your in character
Kagemusha: Yea samurais are cooler then ninja.
Thats my analysis so far. Ok townies. what you can do is see how people react to this bandwagonning. I hope you win townies!! But if you dont want to lynch me thats also fine.
edited to reply to twilights stuff..
I learned this in anime. Deathnote. Think like L ey? Ls the coolest.
And yes they could have read the past games. But i doubt it
It does seem awfully stupid of the mafia to kill off Sasaki, though - he always attracts votes, and would have been a very useful distraction (and had been to date)...
Trying to look innocent by stating the obvious, are we?
Oh, it was a joke vote. How could I misunderstand?
Don't worry, they're not dangerous, but then again I was sort of lynched with 9 tieing votes...:laugh4:
Twilightblade
09-03-2007, 09:34
edited to reply to twilights stuff..
I learned this in anime. Deathnote. Think like L ey? Ls the coolest.
And yes they could have read the past games. But i doubt it
I've read tonnes of past games eg. capo 1 and some of the early mafia's(mafia II etc.)
Beefy187
09-03-2007, 09:35
Oh and if you are lynching me. I want huge huge bandwagonning votes on me so i can beat the record.
I wont be back for couple hours so i cant defend my self till then
btw twilight happy 300 post!!
Unvote:Beefy187, Vote:Andres
Who would kill Sasaki? He makes himself a target.
Oh, pick me, afterall, according to 50% of the people here I had something personal against Sasaki, had I not?
woad&fangs: potential scum. His usually more active isnt he? His been quiet for a while
Ignoramus: Havnt seen him watch. But dont know how he plays anyway so im not sure.
greaterkhaan:He seems to have his own opinion. not going on bandwagoning soo often as others. Never seen him playing as scum so im not sure.
Tran:Sticking to his usual playing style. Should be fine for now
Ichigo: His being him self. Seems innocent but since his one of our best players he can easily fool me.
Destroyer of Hope: Dont know him very well. But im fine with him soo far
RoadKill:His absense can be explained. So his fine for now
Xdeathfire:He seems to be in character so far
Twilightblade: HEY MATE!! Im gonna take him with me if I die. But soo far he seems fine
Brave_Sir_Robin:Dont know him very well
Beefy187: IM innocent. trust me!
Warmaster Horus:Havnt seen much of him yet. his good player but he doesnt talk much does he?
shlin28: We need your famous Shlin list
Stig: Im pretty sure his innocent.
sapi: Im also convinced that his innocent
Dutch_guy:seems to be in character
Proletariat: You seem to be in character
Crazed Rabbit: Dont know you very well
Kommodus: I like you.Your lovely
Tiberius of the Drake: Dont know you very well
Andres: People keep saying SCUMMY SCUMMY!! but i really cant tell how he is being scummy.
Pannonian:Dont know you much
FesterShinetop: Dont know you much
discovery1: Dont know you much.
CountArach:Your also one of quiet people arent you? You seems in character to me.
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien: Dont know you much
Don Corleone:Dont know you much.
Fragony: Dont know you much.
Xiahou:Dont know you much.
Lemur:Heard a lot about you. But dont know you very well. im guessing your in character
Kagemusha: Yea samurais are cooler then ninja.
Nice list m8, but you're strangely active:
Vote: Beefy
And you're right on Andres. He isn't scummy, the people who vote for him are jealous.
Trying to look innocent by stating the obvious, are we?
No, posting my thought processes for all to see, as every townie should be doing...
You're right Stig. Hate for it to have to be explained rationally.
Twilightblade
09-03-2007, 09:44
@Stig
Beefy's been active for a few games but it gets him lynched more than not
Unvote:Beefy187, Vote:Andres
Why the unvote?
Oh, pick me, afterall, according to 50% of the people here I had something personal against Sasaki, had I not?
Ever heard of WIFOM?
Another mafia tactic is to stay just below radar without people noticing that they actually participate with a vote in every round.
Players like:
Brave Sir Robin
DoH
Greaterkhaan
Sapi
Tiberius
Tally:
Beefy: 3 (sapi, Stig, Twilight)
Andres: 2 (Ichigo, Prole)
Lemur: 2 (Andres, Roadkill)
Shlin28: 2 (Beefy, Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
Ichigo : 1 (Tiberius)
not voting: 20 (CountA, CR, DoH, disco, DonC, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kage, Kommodus, Lemur, Pannonian, Pra Tha, shlin, Tran, Warmaster, W&F, Xdeath, Xiahou)
Actually, I'm thinking that this time the mafia is less experienced. Why on earth would they kill Sasaki, who has been helping them?
Why the unvote?
I learned this in anime. Deathnote. Think like L ey? Ls the coolest.
If you don't know what death note is look it up on wiki and you'll understand.
Actually, I'm thinking that this time the mafia is less experienced. Why on earth would they kill Sasaki, who has been helping them?
Oh.. the mafia catches on quickly. No dummies there.
I see Pra Tha has received the status of abstain in the two previous rounds.
Anyone seen contributions from him?
Hattrick...
Just popping in to say: Thank you pever. :2thumbsup:
I see Pra Tha has received the status of abstain in the two previous rounds.
Anyone seen contributions from him?
In the first or second round nothing since.
If you don't know what death note is look it up on wiki and you'll understand.
I don't understand ~:confused:
You're acting weird.
I don't understand ~:confused:
You're acting weird.
You looked at the wiki right?
I guess I could try to explain it, but I'd rather avoid that. Let's just say that Beefy is trying to analyze more and be through from watching the show and I mistook that being him trying to over analyze the situation.
You looked at the wiki right?
Yes I did. And I still don't understand why this is decisive to put away your suspicion of Beefy.
I guess I could try to explain it, but I'd rather avoid that. Let's just say that Beefy is trying to analyze more and be through from watching the show and I mistook that being him trying to over analyze the situation.
You lost me :shrug:
Warmaster Horus
09-03-2007, 11:19
Vote:Twilightblade
Aye but if mafia games were boring no one would play them
I've read tonnes of past games eg. capo 1 and some of the early mafia's(mafia II etc.)
Beefy's been active for a few games but it gets him lynched more than not
All completely useless posts. Although the last one had some merit.
I remember a mini-mafia where Ignoramus had been active. That had been the main reason for his lynching. And as far as I can remember, he was innocent.
I don't think we should lynch beefy because he's too active this time.
In the first or second round nothing since.
This search feature is actually quite good.
I had a look at Pra Tha's contribution in this game. He claims to be a TWC mafia regular, but acts like a fart in a wicker chair in this game.
The posts range from actual contribution and good analysis to: Are you sure there are only two mafiosi?
No votes though...
Suspicious!!
Byzantine Mercenary
09-03-2007, 11:34
ok i think i have a good idea who my death is supposed to point to, at the start of the game i attracted no attention whatsoever untill a certain andres suggested me scummy (i had been a bit of a lurker i guess), now i recon when i ''believed'' sasaki and made myself look innocent Andres would have seen that implicating me for lynching would be a lot harder and so if i couldnt atract votes away from him what use was i? therefore i think andres killed me....
(although it could be a plot to implicate him, i dont think so though atm)
Yes I did. And I still don't understand why this is decisive to put away your suspicion of Beefy.
You lost me :shrug:
You wouldn't understand.
Beefy187
09-03-2007, 11:42
Im back just so i can stop thinking about work for a minute and just to say few words
1. Reason for being active= simply because its a huge game. and theres tonnes of things to write about. Plus bad stuff happened today so playing mafia helps me forget it.
2.If Pra Tha is TWC mafia reguler then indeed he is very suspecious. Then he knows that not speaking much for a certain priod of time will avoid attention. But i doubt that his the one we are after because of killing me school buddy thing and maybe he just cant get used to all the new players + their playing style.
3. I doubt that its TB. Well yes his a cunning one. He could be trying to put the blame on me. That will explain his fast bandwagonning on me. But his not stupid/cunning enough to go after the people he knows early on.
4. My next target would be Andres!! If i die next round or two its Andres!!
Ill stick to my vote for now. So i can get Shlin back to active townie
BTW edited to say Ichigo 100 percent is great manga. But anime was disspointing
This search feature is actually quite good.
I had a look at Pra Tha's contribution in this game. He claims to be a TWC mafia regular, but acts like a fart in a wicker chair in this game.
The posts range from actual contribution and good analysis to: Are you sure there are only two mafiosi?
No votes though...
Suspicious!!
He is a TWC mafia regular. He was more active in the one game I played with him. I'm not quite sure if he just doesn't like the games here or what.
Twilightblade
09-03-2007, 11:44
@WH
I'm not sugesting that we lynch beefy for being too active and if you read what the 2nd quote refered to I was telling beefy that its possible to read past games to find infomation about how people play and as it has been said in a few diffrent games killfr3nzy, pevergreen, sarathos, beefy and myself all go to the same school his comment that if someone was trying to cast suspicion on us that they had to have played games previously with us was not a valid point
Im back just so i can stop thinking about work for a minute and just to say few words
1. Reason for being active= simply because its a huge game. and theres tonnes of things to write about. Plus bad stuff happened today so playing mafia helps me forget it.
2.If Pra Tha is TWC mafia reguler then indeed he is very suspecious. Then he knows that not speaking much for a certain priod of time will avoid attention. But i doubt that his the one we are after because of killing me school buddy thing and maybe he just cant get used to all the new players + their playing style.
3. I doubt that its TB. Well yes his a cunning one. He could be trying to put the blame on me. That will explain his fast bandwagonning on me. But his not stupid/cunning enough to go after the people he knows early on.
4. My next target would be Andres!! If i die next round or two its Andres!!
Ill stick to my vote for now. So i can get Shlin back to active townie
BTW edited to say Ichigo 100 percent is great manga. But anime was disspointing
I've seen it. It's alright nothing great a good time waster.
You should be so obvious. That won't work.
pevergreen
09-03-2007, 11:49
There are things going everywhere.
What puts people in different groups is their experience, yes. but their understanding.
A Mafia II reference, frames going up.
People here think they are experienced. They are not, and they do not understand the way the game works still. Yes its a basic set of rules, but the way in which you act.
Andres, Beefy and Twilightblade are being framed.
Andres is smart. Very smart. He confused the hell out of me when I was hosting.
I read games i do not participate in. References to a kill in a game long past should not be taken lightly. It can rule out newer players. Then again, the mafia may have said "kill with chemicles". :shrug:
Basically, quite a few townies are very overconfident at this point in time. Don't expect anything.
He is a TWC mafia regular. He was more active in the one game I played with him. I'm not quite sure if he just doesn't like the games here or what.
He's certainly well out of form...
ok i think i have a good idea who my death is supposed to point to, at the start of the game i attracted no attention whatsoever untill a certain andres suggested me scummy (i had been a bit of a lurker i guess), now i recon when i ''believed'' sasaki and made myself look innocent Andres would have seen that implicating me for lynching would be a lot harder and so if i couldnt atract votes away from him what use was i? therefore i think andres killed me....
(although it could be a plot to implicate him, i dont think so though atm)WIFOM - Andres would not be that stupid...
pevergreen
09-03-2007, 12:12
Andres is smart. Very smart. He confused the hell out of me when I was hosting.
As I have been saying all game.
He's certainly well out of form...
WIFOM - Andres would not be that stupid...
WIFOM
WIFOM
Um, that was kind of my point, hence the '...' after that comment ~;)
Um, that was kind of my point, hence the '...' after that comment ~;)
heh I'm a little tired.
Andres, Beefy and Twilightblade are being framed.
Why do you think andres is being framed?
pevergreen
09-03-2007, 12:25
Because he is demmed smart.
Don't pin this on me. I was killed Night 1. I'm out for revenge.
Because he is demmed smart.
Don't pin this on me. I was killed Night 1. I'm out for revenge.
:huh: So him being smart means someones trying to frame him? Doesn't make sense at all pever. :huh:
No ones trying to pin anything on you.
TevashSzat
09-03-2007, 12:29
Okay...Continuing crusade against CA here. Here are his posts currently
Vote: Kommodus
As said, he is a good townie, whether he is alive or not. However, it strikes me as odd that Sasaki would claim to have investigated him... Seems unSasakiish. Probably just joking
About 5 posts above you...
Our people tell the same story.
This is a good point. Sasaki is always a popular first investigation (at least in my experience). I also suppose that the same could be...
Actually, what you are doing is the exact same as what Tran was doing earlier. You are following someone else's reasoning.
Due to my dislike of hypocrisy:
Vote: Destroyer of Hope
Unvote:DoH
Vote: Sasaki
Let's just give him what he wants and be done with it.
Woad&Fangs seems to be posting a lot more than his usual quiet self.
FoS: W&F
haha
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Stig
He is getting really defensive
Who would kill Sasaki? He makes himself a target.
Of these 6 posts, 4 were voting ones, one defended himself, and another that doesnt really fit into any category.
He is scummy to me in that I recollect him being more active than this in previous mafia games Now we all know Sasaki is innocent, we should look to those who were maybe a bit too eager to have him lynched and the day overand in the second round, Sasaki made the exact same joke again and CA bandwagoned on him. Disco was the first or so, but he wasn't supposedly paying attention first round while CA did.
Gah, does phases always have to end in the middle of the night for me?
Some responses to Beefy's thoughts:
4. My next target would be Andres!! If i die next round or two its Andres!!
Thats just so dumb, now the mafia will almost definitely kill you during the night, to frame Andres.
(From post 522)
arent you more active normally? Like in Il Pedrinho you were more actively involved in the discussion.
As I said, stupid night phase always ends when I'm sleeping, so when I check this thread in the morning, it has four or more pages, which is a pain to go through.
As for Sasaki being killed.. If he was a detective, your tactic is highly effective i think. Because you were looking like a just one funny townie trying to spoil the game. Mafia shouldve left you alone for a while until you get lynched.
Are you referring to me? or someone else?
Ok since Sasaki got killed, mafia was trying to make them as if they are in experienced character. Plus they were a little paranoid about Sasaki really being an detective. So im guessing person who killed Sasaki is experienced player who joined bandwagonning on Sasaki or at least tried to put suspecion on him.Person is probebly not Stig because his playing like a active townie.
So why dont you vote for someone more experienced?
shlin28: We need your famous Shlin list
Impossible to have a list, unless the detective reveals. Unlike in Il Padrino, this game doesnt utlise a location system, and the host doesnt give away mafia-busting evidence!!! :no:
Anyway, I'll vote for someone else... someone who sounds neutral... Vote: Lemur, your posts doesnt have a lot of substance, in my opinion.
Beefy187
09-03-2007, 13:22
lol true that Shlin..
Anyway i only voted for you because i missed you:2thumbsup:
Anyway if i die this round the mafia still could be Andres. But this is going to end in never ending arguement. So I could now vote for Andres anyway or sit back and relax for this round at least because bad stuff happened today and ill need to get some time off and rethink about my life.:book: So ill take option 2.
well its not that serious and shouldnt take more then a day to recover. Ill be back
Unvote: Shlin Vote: abstain
Kagemusha
09-03-2007, 14:41
Vote Don Corleone for keeping under the radar.
Vote Don Corleone for keeping under the radar.
Snif, snif... What's that smell...? Hypocrisy...?
:inquisitive:
Kagemusha
09-03-2007, 15:24
Snif, snif... What's that smell...? Hypocrisy...?
:inquisitive:
Lol!:laugh4: If you go through the mass of posts. You can see that poor Kage has posted on each and every round. Im not just that verbally talented as some are with my limited English. The ones i have most suspected have been Don and Husar so far, but as there is no evidence what so ever, i could have and be currently completely wrong with my suspicions.
seireikhaan
09-03-2007, 15:37
Another mafia tactic is to stay just below radar without people noticing that they actually participate with a vote in every round.
Players like:
Brave Sir Robin
DoH
Greaterkhaan
Sapi
Tiberius
Well, if people ever made any comments about my votes, then I might talk more. Personally, I don't quite get why people are gunning for Andres, I don't see too much out of the ordinary with him. Despite his own lack of posts, I think Kage does raise a point. Don has decidedly gone under the radar since people stopped accusing him. Now, it could be that he's spending more time with his wife, which is perfectly understandable. Thing is, though, that he's been posting in this game even despite her 'condition'. So I'm not quite sure I buy that as an excuse.
However, I will stick with my vote. I would like to see Dutch Guy offer some kind of defense. But, like a good ol' politician/mafia, he seems to just ignore folks who criticise him unless they're en masse. And to quote myself from an earlier game, I really don't like good ol' politicians/Mafiosi.
GeneralHankerchief
09-03-2007, 16:14
Hahaha, this is gonna crush 1,000.
If ya don't mind I would like control of the Summary Thread.
If you knew why did you ask? It's obvious.
I guess I could try to explain it, but I'd rather avoid that.
You wouldn't understand.
Is he always like this? I appreciate the high level of participation, but it seems to me you're throwing the finger of suspicion around a little randomly. Maybe I just don't understand your play style, but it's also possible you're throwing accusations like hand grenades to keep your fedora-wearin', tommy gun-totin', mafia self safe.
Vote: Ichigo
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 17:12
Haven't caught up on my reading yet, but holy crap, lynch beefy.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 17:26
Having caught up with my reading, holy crap, lynch beefy.
Vote:Shlin
arent you more active normally? Like in Il Pedrinho you were more actively involved in the discussion.
As for Sasaki being killed.. If he was a detective, your tactic is highly effective i think. Because you were looking like a just one funny townie trying to spoil the game. Mafia shouldve left you alone for a while until you get lynched.
Ok since Sasaki got killed, mafia was trying to make them as if they are in experienced character. Plus they were a little paranoid about Sasaki really being an detective. So im guessing person who killed Sasaki is experienced player who joined bandwagonning on Sasaki or at least tried to put suspecion on him.Person is probebly not Stig because his playing like a active townie.
The person who killed Sasaki is the person who killed both Pever and Killfr3nzy who both go to my school thus putting a suspecion on Me+ Twilightblade, which means the person have been playing couple games with us.
So who would that be?
I doubt it that its Shlin. But i just find it suspecious because Shlin is more active normally.
He pretty much gives away the reasoning behind his choice in mafia kills...
He also thinks the person who killed pever and killfrenzy were trying to put suspicion on him...it hadn't occured to me that someone would do it, beefy knows far too much about what the mafia were thinking when they chose the kills.
1. Reason for being active= simply because its a huge game. and theres tonnes of things to write about. Plus bad stuff happened today so playing mafia helps me forget it.
2.If Pra Tha is TWC mafia reguler then indeed he is very suspecious. Then he knows that not speaking much for a certain priod of time will avoid attention. But i doubt that his the one we are after because of killing me school buddy thing and maybe he just cant get used to all the new players + their playing style.
3. I doubt that its TB. Well yes his a cunning one. He could be trying to put the blame on me. That will explain his fast bandwagonning on me. But his not stupid/cunning enough to go after the people he knows early on.
4. My next target would be Andres!! If i die next round or two its Andres!!
Ill stick to my vote for now. So i can get Shlin back to active townie
He's voting for shlin even though his wording indicates that he knows shlin is a townie...only mafia would have knowledge of that. He also bandwagons on the pra tha and andres suspicions.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 17:26
I would wager beefy+lemur are our mafia team.
Dutch_guy
09-03-2007, 17:43
However, I will stick with my vote. I would like to see Dutch Guy offer some kind of defense. But, like a good ol' politician/mafia, he seems to just ignore folks who criticise him unless they're en masse. And to quote myself from an earlier game, I really don't like good ol' politicians/Mafiosi.
haha that actually made me laugh, in a good way mind you. Not ignoring you, just been hard pressed for time today, which isn't a good thing when I need to filter through three new pages of kills, accusations, and voting.
That said, I will comment on the game (a bit later today) but I can second (or third, fourth...) all those who've said / stated their surprise at Sasaki's kill. It seems the mafia did believe his 'claim', and it seems we should hope it was a fake.
:balloon2:
I would wager beefy+lemur are our mafia team.
Well, if I'm going to have to endure a never-ending "guilty Lemur!" from Sasaki, the game will cease to be fun quickly. By all means, hoist me up a rope.
Haven't caught up on my reading yet, but holy crap, lynch beefy.
duh
Tratorix
09-03-2007, 18:16
looking through the new posts here, I'm thinking the mafia really shot themselves in the foot my killing Sasaki. By proving him innocent, they basically allow him to start bandwagons on whoever he wants. Therefore, unless they are rolling dice to pick their kills or something, i'd say they're fairly new at this mafia thing(and yes, I realize that puts me under suspision). I mean, we probably would have ended up lynching Sasaki pretty soon, as he was second in votes through both rounds. An experienced mafia player would probably have realized this and left him alone, unless they really believed he was the detective.
Pannonian
09-03-2007, 18:32
Vote: Beefy187
Simetrical made a point once that the town are in the dark about everything, while the mafia know who each other are, and this dichotomy is the basis of all Mafia games. The skill in playing as scum is to disguise this knowledge, and try one's best in showing town behaviour.
There was a post a while back where Beefy seemed suspiciously certain about various facts of the game. Now this may be the case in other games, where there are various ways of checking out players' actions during the night. However, in GH's Mafia, there are no such ways, except if one has a role. In this game, there are 2 types of roles, cop and mafia. Which one are you Beefy?
Vote Don Corleone for keeping under the radar.
Yeah. He has been online today. Why didn't you post, Don?
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 18:41
Tally:
Beefy: 4 (sapi, Stig, Twilight,pannonian)
Lemur: 3 (Andres, Roadkill,shlin)
Andres: 2 (Ichigo, Prole)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
Ichigo : 1 (Tiberius,Lemur)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
not voting: 17 (CountA, CR, DoH, disco, DonC, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, W&F, Xdeath, Xiahou,Beefy)
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 18:46
Andres, you are much more active this round than in past rounds. Why is that?
Andres, you are much more active this round than in past rounds. Why is that?
Weekend?
RoadKill
09-03-2007, 19:01
Although Beefy is posting extremly more then usual, it doesn't determine hes scum. maybe before he wasn't that intrested into the mafia games, and now hes into it more, so hes trying to get in discussion more, maybe. But hes reasoings and post are still very scummy.
So MFOS: Beefy and Unvote: Lemur; Vote: Abstain PFOS: Lemur.
Maybe my reasons for voting him is a little weak, I'll wait a little longer, to see.
Andres, you are much more active this round than in past rounds. Why is that?
Stig had it right: week-end.
:shrug:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 20:55
CR is being awful quiet
Crazed Rabbit
09-03-2007, 21:00
From my reading, it does look like Beefy is guilty.
His writing seems to have insight into the mafia that only the mafia would have:
Ok since Sasaki got killed, mafia was trying to make them as if they are in experienced character. Plus they were a little paranoid about Sasaki really being an detective. So im guessing person who killed Sasaki is experienced player who joined bandwagonning on Sasaki or at least tried to put suspecion on him.Person is probebly not Stig because his playing like a active townie.
How would he know about the mafia's paranoia?
vote:beefy
However, I don't think Lemur is that suspicious, he seems pretty much like his casual self. I think he is really just joking, not being scummy.
Sasaki:
I just updated RoC2. Calculating all the army battles, updating the many layers in the map, sending out PMs to everyone, and finally typing up the report takes 3+ hours.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
09-03-2007, 21:16
Satisfied with both Andres and CR...
Tally:
Beefy: 5 (sapi, Stig, Twilight,pannonian,Crazed Rabbit)
Lemur: 2 (Andres, shlin)
Andres: 2 (Ichigo, Prole)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
Ichigo : 1 (Tiberius,Lemur)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
not voting: 17 (CountA, DoH, disco, DonC, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, W&F, Xdeath, Xiahou,Beefy,Roadkill)
There's a ridiculous number of people not voting.
RoadKill
09-03-2007, 21:48
I reveiwed the thread, although it is a weak accusastion, Lemurs responses to many quiestions have been akwardly scummy, I havn't played with him before so I don't know if in previous games he does that. So for now Vote: Lemur
What happened to the once active W&Fs
discovery1
09-03-2007, 23:33
Satisfied with both Andres and CR...
Tally:
Beefy: 5 (sapi, Stig, Twilight,pannonian,Crazed Rabbit)
Lemur: 2 (Andres, shlin)
Andres: 2 (Ichigo, Prole)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
Ichigo : 1 (Tiberius,Lemur)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
not voting: 17 (CountA, DoH, disco, DonC, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, W&F, Xdeath, Xiahou,Beefy,Roadkill)
There's a ridiculous number of people not voting.
And its labor day, what's your point?
Vote: Andres cuz of the bandwagon smilie.
Don Corleone
09-04-2007, 00:26
Well, if you're curious where I've been all day, check out the story in the frontroom in about 1/2 an hour. I had a home-improvement fiasco for the record books. Will post details there.
In the meantime, I fully admit, I have nothing to contribute this round, nor have I read anything contributed this round. That being said, I still think Andres is crooked as a dog's hind leg this game:
Vote: Andres
TevashSzat
09-04-2007, 00:33
Well...forgot to Vote: CA in my earlier post and Sasaki, you have wierd tally going on there
Tally:
Beefy: 5 (sapi, Stig, Twilight,pannonian,Crazed Rabbit)
Andres: 4 (Ichigo, Prole, Disco, Don)
Lemur: 2 (Andres, shlin)
Ichigo : 2 (Tiberius,Lemur)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
CountArach: 1 (Xdeath)
not voting: 17 (CountA, DoH, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, W&F, Xdeath, ,Beefy,Roadkill)
GeneralHankerchief
09-04-2007, 00:36
you have wierd tally going on there
not voting: 17 (CountA, DoH, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, W&F, Xdeath, ,Beefy,Roadkill)
Indeed? :inquisitive:
woad&fangs
09-04-2007, 01:49
What happened to the once active W&Fs
Labor Day family get together and what not. Also, school starts for me tomorrow so I will be much less active until around midnight GMT. Vote: Andres I still believe that Andres and Beefy are the mafia for now. Sorry, but I really don't have anything new to add to the discussion.
Sounds like a pretty good case against Beefy. His knowledge seems a bit too intimate.
Vote: Beefy
GeneralHankerchief
09-04-2007, 04:17
This round will continue for 12-ish hours. Voting doesn't close until I say so. :yes:
This doesn't make much sense. :no:
GeneralHankerchief
09-04-2007, 04:39
This doesn't make much sense. :no:
Is that directed at me?
Is that directed at me?
No. Andres behavior.
GeneralHankerchief
09-04-2007, 04:43
Ah, okay.
*puts away WoG thunderbolts*
Ah, okay.
*puts away WoG thunderbolts*
So close.:sweatdrop:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-04-2007, 05:21
Andres has been very susceptible to holmes...we may as well wait on him. Beefy is the play for today I think.
Then maybe the mafia will kill andres and lemur! ~:optimist:
Then maybe the mafia will kill andres and lemur! ~:optimist:
Everything you need to know about Sasaki's weird little jihad, right there.
Andres has been very susceptible to holmes...we may as well wait on him. Beefy is the play for today I think.
Then maybe the mafia will kill andres and lemur! ~:optimist:
So wait for Kommodus, why? Where is Kommodus anyways? Why are you so lazy Sasaki? :P
Beefy187
09-04-2007, 07:46
Well im really crap at guessing who the mafia are. But I believe i do a decent job analysing the kill and whats the purpose behind it. Its soo good that everyone is suspecting me for being mafia!! great!! Im soo gonna post more on the next game coz im extremely confident now.
reply to who ever said "Are you a cop or mafia?"
Im a random townie who desperately want to help the town. Im a patriot or something like that if you like. After getting lynched off/ killed off every single game i was thinking to my self.."Should i lay low. be quiet so i can live. Or should i speak more and help the town even its gonna take my life." I went for option 2. Here i am. Ill be gladly lynched (i dont wanna die though. just put me in jail or something) but if i am gonna get lynched i demand the following
1. Team victory (in this case townie)
2. Twilightblade dead. (you cant be the only surviving dude in our little group)
3. Scums lynched (good luck townies im counting on you)
4. HUGE HUGE bandwagon. (5 is pittiful. CMON give me least 20!!)
ok if i get those ill stop trashing my self with doritos. So go guys!
CountArach
09-04-2007, 07:48
Okay...Continuing crusade against CA here. Here are his posts currently
[SNIP]
Of these 6 posts, 4 were voting ones, one defended himself, and another that doesnt really fit into any category.
He is scummy to me in that I recollect him being more active than this in previous mafia games Now we all know Sasaki is innocent, we should look to those who were maybe a bit too eager to have him lynched and the day overand in the second round, Sasaki made the exact same joke again and CA bandwagoned on him. Disco was the first or so, but he wasn't supposedly paying attention first round while CA did.
Ummm, I am never active because of my damn timezone and being busy with school. I'm sure Kommodus will come and back me up on this one.
Why are you so eager to lynch me?
Well im really crap at guessing who the mafia are. But I believe i do a decent job analysing the kill and whats the purpose behind it. Its soo good that everyone is suspecting me for being mafia!! great!! Im soo gonna post more on the next game coz im extremely confident now.
reply to who ever said "Are you a cop or mafia?"
Im a random townie who desperately want to help the town. Im a patriot or something like that if you like. After getting lynched off/ killed off every single game i was thinking to my self.."Should i lay low. be quiet so i can live. Or should i speak more and help the town even its gonna take my life." I went for option 2. Here i am. Ill be gladly lynched (i dont wanna die though. just put me in jail or something) but if i am gonna get lynched i demand the following
1. Team victory (in this case townie)
2. Twilightblade dead. (you cant be the only surviving dude in our little group)
3. Scums lynched (good luck townies im counting on you)
4. HUGE HUGE bandwagon. (5 is pittiful. CMON give me least 20!!)
ok if i get those ill stop trashing my self with doritos. So go guys!
Vote:Andres and you'll be saved. ~;)
Beefy187
09-04-2007, 08:00
Vote: Andres
Its either me or you. and im innocent..
sorry buddy
and 5 cents on me getting lynched:sweatdrop:
Vote: Andres
Its either me or you. and im innocent..
sorry buddy
and 5 cents on me getting lynched:sweatdrop:
Oh, are we going to play like that?
Unvote:Lemur ; Vote:Beefy
This doesn't make much sense.
Which behaviour exactly isn't making much sense?
Oh, are we going to play like that?
Unvote:Lemur ; Vote:Beefy
Which behaviour exactly isn't making much sense?
You go after DC for the first two rounds, then change to Lemur.
Stop trying to save yourself Beefy, it won't work since you're mafia.
And you can't demand anything.
Tally:
Beefy: 6 (sapi, Stig, Twilight,pannonian,Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Andres: 5 (Ichigo, Prole, Disco, Don, Beefy)
Lemur: 2 (Andres, shlin)
Ichigo : 2 (Tiberius,Lemur)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
CountArach: 1 (Xdeath)
not voting: 17 (CountA, DoH, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, W&F, Xdeath, Roadkill)
Especially the fact that you only vote now, late in the round, is suspicous. In all other rounds you were quick to vote.
You go after DC for the first two rounds, then change to Lemur.
Well, in case you didn't notice, DC started lurking this round. And after reading his story in the Frontroom (:laugh4: ), it seems like he had a good excuse.
Besides, what's wrong with focusing on other players as well?
Twilightblade
09-04-2007, 08:25
Ahhhh I thought this was the tally
Tally:
Beefy: 6 (sapi, Stig, Twilight,pannonian,Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Andres: 6 (Ichigo, Prole, Disco, Don, Beefy,W&F)
Lemur: 3 (Andres, shlin,Roadkill)
Ichigo : 2 (Tiberius,Lemur)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
CountArach: 1 (Xdeath)
not voting: 17 (CountA, DoH, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, Xdeath,)
Ahhhh I thought this was the tally
Tally:
Beefy: 6 (sapi, Stig, Twilight,pannonian,Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Andres: 6 (Ichigo, Prole, Disco, Don, Beefy,W&F)
Lemur: 3 (Andres, shlin,Roadkill)
Ichigo : 2 (Tiberius,Lemur)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
CountArach: 1 (Xdeath)
not voting: 17 (CountA, DoH, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, Xdeath,)
I voted Beefy as well...
Correct tally:
Beefy: 7 (sapi, Stig, Twilight,pannonian,Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou, Andres)
Andres: 6 (Ichigo, Prole, Disco, Don, Beefy,W&F)
Lemur: 2 (shlin,Roadkill)
Ichigo : 2 (Tiberius,Lemur)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
CountArach: 1 (Xdeath)
not voting: 17 (CountA, DoH, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Tran, Xdeath)
Well, in case you didn't notice, DC started lurking this round. And after reading his story in the Frontroom (:laugh4: ), it seems like he had a good excuse.
Besides, what's wrong with focusing on other players as well?
If you vote someone for two rounds must would assume you believe their guilty. Now you're going after other people(Lemur and Beefy). As you said DC hasn't been around so their should be nothing that would make you think any different of him from last round to this one. Doesn't make sense.
If you vote someone for two rounds must would assume you believe their guilty. Now you're going after other people(Lemur and Beefy). As you said DC hasn't been around so their should be nothing that would make you think any different of him from last round to this one. Doesn't make sense.
So I shouldn't keep all options open in round 3 of a game with 30+ participants = still the beginning phase of the game?
I'm trying to detect the mafia, would you prefer me to keep prosecuting the same player during the whole game without paying attention to other players?
Thát doesn't make sense.
Unvote:Beefy ; Vote:Ichigo
I'm saying the mafia is:
W&F and Beefy
But Beefy is atleast one of them. Other one could also be Ichigo, tho I doubt it.
So I shouldn't keep all options open in round 3 of a game with 30+ participants = still the beginning phase of the game?
I'm trying to detect the mafia, would you prefer me to keep prosecuting the same player during the whole game without paying attention to other players?
Thát doesn't make sense.
Unvote:Beefy ; Vote:Ichigo
I'm saying it's strange that you would shrug someone off after going after them for two rounds.
Are you saying your incapable of doing both?
I'm saying it's strange that you would shrug someone off after going after them for two rounds.
Are you saying your incapable of doing both?
Well, we are looking for TWO mafia. And there's always the possibility that I'm wrong, so i shouldn't narrow the field down to Don Corleone alone, should I?
Like I said, we're still in the beginning of the game, there'll be plenty of opportunity to go after DC later in the game. Since he is not responding now, might as well focus on some other suspects.
Correct Tally:
Tally:
Beefy: 6 (CR, pannonian, sapi, Stig, Twilight, Xiahou)
Andres: 6 (Beefy, Disco, DonC, Lemur, Ichigo, Prole, W&F)
Ichigo : 3 (Andres, Lemur, Tiberius)
Lemur: 2 (Roadkill, shlin)
CountA: 1 (Xdeath)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
Dutch_guy: 1 (gkhaan)
Shlin28: 1 ( Brave)
TwilightBlade: 1 (Warmaster)
not voting: 9 (CountA, DoH, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Pra Tha, Tran)
CountArach
09-04-2007, 09:06
Townies should be willing to die at the lynching. Rather than attacking the other guy, they should try to defend themsleves. This Beefy did not do.
Vote: Beffy
Well, we are looking for TWO mafia. And there's always the possibility that I'm wrong, so i shouldn't narrow the field down to Don Corleone alone, should I?
Like I said, we're still in the beginning of the game, there'll be plenty of opportunity to go after DC later in the game. Since he is not responding now, might as well focus on some other suspects.
I won't respond to that. Since it's already been answered. Nice try though
Really? He had enough time to vote you.
Also, your post count seems to be slacking. You're usually on par with me and Sasaki.
Sounds like a pretty good case against Beefy. His knowledge seems a bit too intimate.
Vote: Beefy
Not very good.
ffs, Andres, get your vote back on beefy before you get yourself killed :wall:
The evidence is conclusive against him; it would be the height of stupitity for us to let him live for another day...
Also, your post count seems to be slacking. You're usually on par with me and Sasaki.
Like I said before, I had a rather busy week-end.
You want me to spam to get my postcount in this thread up to the desired level?
Beefy187
09-04-2007, 11:40
ok back from the show..
reponse to CA
I tried everything. I tried defend my self but just because i analyzed why they killed sasaki im getting my self killed. Why would i explain why i killed them if im a mafia? If im a mafia i would stay quiet and laugh at all the townies bandwagonning on each other. Inverse phycology? well every one knows that beefy is rather slow.Cmon im not that cunning. I never been a mafia after like 5 or 6 games of playing. So now my greatest joy became catching the mafiasos, leading the town to victory and surviving the game. Thats what im trying to achieve by being extremely active.
pevergreen
09-04-2007, 12:00
WIFOM: ill link you tomorrow.
Proletariat
09-04-2007, 12:13
Wow, pretty hard not to go with Beefy after his last three posts.
unvote: Andres, vote: Beefy
Sasaki Kojiro
09-04-2007, 12:24
fos:andres for unvoting and putting himself at a tie...
fos:andres for unvoting and putting himself at a tie...
?
How is that something that you'd consider worth FoSing for him for?
fos:andres for unvoting and putting himself at a tie...
Whatever your explanation for fos-ing me is, it will lead to WIFOM...
What do you think about Ichigo?
Beefy187
09-04-2007, 12:58
its no longer a tie.
So just give me a massive bandwagoning now:whip:
i give up
Unvote: Andres Vote: Beefy
Thank you for sealing your fate.
Townies are not particularly interested in cheap tricks such as voting for themselves ~;)
Beefy187
09-04-2007, 13:18
hmm yea.. well going to bed. Tommorow i cant go home all day. So I wont miss much i presume.
If you see me play in the future.. This spamming long posts is my play style. So dont go "BEEFY SUSPECIOUS KILL!!" just because im playing this way :sweatdrop:
Mafia = Andres and Beefy?
I think that could very well be so, seeing this voting round. Andres unvoting, Beefy voting late game.
GeneralHankerchief
09-04-2007, 16:17
Voting over.
Stand by for the execution.
Dutch_guy
09-04-2007, 16:32
That last bit of voting was weird, townies should be OK with dieing for the greater good - but killing themselves ?
:balloon2:
That last bit of voting was weird, townies should be OK with dieing for the greater good - but killing themselves ?
:balloon2:
Beefy didn't kill himself. His fate was already decided by the votes of CA and Proletariat.
Warmaster Horus
09-04-2007, 16:43
its no longer a tie.
So just give me a massive bandwagoning now
i give up
Unvote: Andres Vote: Beefy
What's this, then?
Admittedly, he was dead by the time he posted that, but it meant he didn't care anymore. That's suicide, by my definition.
Kommodus
09-04-2007, 16:46
So wait for Kommodus, why? Where is Kommodus anyways? Why are you so lazy Sasaki? :P
Kommodus is at least 12 feet tall, and if he were here, he'd consume the mafia with fire from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse!
Sorry I missed voting this round. Honestly, I just bought a new game (well, new to me) and have wasted gobs of time with it over Labor Day weekend. Shame on me! Bad Kommodus! :shame:
I think I would've abstained from voting. I need to read things over in more detail before making up my mind.
Anyway, reliance on me (especially at this stage of the game) is most unwise in any case. Please play the game as you normally would. When I come up with something concrete, I'll let you know. :bow:
GeneralHankerchief
09-04-2007, 16:53
Sunset, normally a beautiful time of day, was turning into the Frontroom's Witching Hour. The usually well-behaved townspeople got out their torches and pitchforks and started screaming for blood. In their defense, that sort of thing can happen when two of your number get brutally murdered every day and you have to endure several hours of accusations that you're a bloody murderer, but they were still unreasonably bloodthirsty.
The target of most of their hatred this time around was the unfortunate Beefy187. The beef against Beefy was that he, normally a quiet, reserved villager, had taken too much of an active role after the killings. Perhaps it was mafia behavior, taking an active role in order to mislead the poor villagers. Whether it was that or not, enough people believed that it was and thus the whole point was moot. Beefy would die.
After the outcome was determined to be inevitable, Chief of Police Beirut called an end to the voting in order to make his final announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "You have hereby found Beefy187 guilty of murder. His sentence - death by electric chair - will be carried out immediately. Beefy, have you any last words?"
Utterly dejected, Beefy shuffled up to the execution platform. After taking a deep breath, he spoke his final words in a monotone. "You know, if you keep killing these active townies just because they're active that's gonna get you in trouble real fast. Think on that for a bit."
The crowd didn't like being lectured, especially not be a condemned man. They booed and hissed, and a tomato seemed to come out of nowhere to hit Beefy in the face. The crowd cheered at that and more tomatoes began to find their target.
Beefy, his face a mess, had enough. He ran to the electric chair and strapped himself in. "Throw the switch already!"
Beirut complied, and that was that.
"All right," he said to the crowd. "Go home, people. And no more tomatoes! We're here to lynch people, not humiliate them! If we find ourselves here tomorrow, remember that."
The townies, somewhat embarassed, shuffled home.
Voting tally for Round 3:
Beefy187: 9 (Twilightblade, Beefy187, Stig, sapi, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Pannonian, CountArach, Xiahou) :skull:
Andres: 4 (woad&fangs, Ichigo, discovery1, Don Corleone)
Ichigo: 3 (Tiberius of the Drake, Andres, Lemur)
Lemur: 2 (RoadKill, shlin28)
Dutch_guy: 1 (greaterkhaan)
CountArach: 1 (Xdeathfire)
shlin28: 1 (Brave_Sir_Robin)
Twilightblade: 1 (Warmaster Horus)
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
Abstained: 1 (Dutch_guy)
Didn't vote: 7 (Ignoramus, Tran, Destroyer of Hope, Kommodus, FesterShinetop, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien, Fragony)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (30)
woad&fangs
Ignoramus
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
Destroyer of Hope
RoadKill
Xdeathfire
Twilightblade
Brave_Sir_Robin
Warmaster Horus
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Andres
Pannonian
FesterShinetop
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Fragony
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Beefy187
09-05-2007, 01:09
hmm 9 is not good enough...
Beef doesnt go well with tomatoes. Give me some mushrooms at least:laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
09-05-2007, 03:04
Well, at least I got in the "beef against Beefy" bit.
Beefy187
09-05-2007, 11:48
heh yea:laugh4:
Nice write GH!! Its been one of the best game i played soo far.
GeneralHankerchief
09-05-2007, 21:41
Apologies for the delay; I've had work that I've been putting off.
Don Corleone
09-05-2007, 22:21
Any idea on when this extended night will finally come to a close? Not pushing, just curious.
GeneralHankerchief
09-05-2007, 22:30
Within two hours, hopefully.
Any idea on when this extended night will finally come to a close? Not pushing, just curious.
Suspicious...
RoadKill
09-05-2007, 23:21
Suspicious...
How is that suspicious, he's obviously just anxious to start voting and start discussion. I'm getting the idea that your trying to push suspicion on him to get him lynched? I'm pretty sure your the one being scummy here.
How is that suspicious, he's obviously just anxious to start voting and start discussion. I'm getting the idea that your trying to push suspicion on him to get him lynched? I'm pretty sure your the one being scummy here.
Scummy...
Scummy...
Yeah...you are.
Yeah...you are.
Interesting...
Interesting...
Not really.
Not really.
Why do my nonsensic remarks provoke such defensive behaviour?
Why do my nonsensic remarks provoke such defensive behaviour?
I am emotionally broken
GeneralHankerchief
09-06-2007, 01:00
Sorry for the wait.
Andres, you should know better than to spam :tongue:
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Contrasting with the horrible events, it was a beautful September day outside, and several inhabitants of the town even decided to take advantage of it, two of them even meeting for an inpromptu picnic.
Warmaster Horus was one of those two people, arriving first. He had just set the mat down and was in the process of spraying the grass around him with some bug spray. This picnic would be one without ants.
"Wish they had some anti-Mafia spray," he thought to himself and chuckled.
"What's so funny?"
Warmaster Horus looked up and gasped in surprise. It was one of his best friends in the entire Frontroom, joining him! "Take a seat," he said. "I see you brought your own food."
"I've learned not to trust foreign food in the past couple of days," said the friend. "Even if there was no mafia around, I still wouldn't trust the art of sandwich-making to anyone but myself. Come on, let's eat."
The two sat down and chatted, and that was all that happened for a while. But when Horus had his back turned to re-spray the ground (the anti-ant solution was proving ineffective) something far more sinister occurred: His "friend" put of couple of drops of a foreign liquid in Horus's drink.
"'scuse me," Horus said not five minutes later. His "friend" chuckled knowingly. Horus headed straight for a conveniently-located outhouse, one of the white, plastic, "port-a-potty" models that is so common at fairs and outside concerts. Once he shut the door, the mafioso sprang up and made his move.
"Duct tape solves anything," he said with an evil grin as he began taping the port-a-potty's door shut. Then he waited.
Two minutes later (was there reading material in there?) the mafioso heard the distinct sounds of someone trying to get out. Shortly after that he heard a muffled voice.
"Hey, what's going on here? Why can't I get out?"
"Because I taped the door shut," the mafioso said calmly. "Enjoy your last hours. When you weren't looking I spiked your drink with a particularly potent form of cholera. Have fun dying of dehydration due to diarrhea. Hey, look at it this way: at least I gave you a toilet." He chuckled evilly and departed, overhearing one of Warmaster Horus's screams during his final hours.
Xdeathfire owned a nice little farm on the outskirts of town and he was quite proud of it. It had animals; it had crops; he made a decent profit. He was happy.
When the mafia started their killing spree he tightened up security (basically, added more fencing). He cared little for his own life, for while it was a happy one it was quite boring. He feared that if he died then nobody would care for his poor animals, especially his prized, 12 kg chickens.
"In times of crisis, nobody remembers the animals," was his oft-repeated mantra for the past several days. He lived by it - privately of course. If he said that during the voting times in the town square the rest of the villagers would mock him as a wuss. The mafia might even target him, sensing weakness.
All of that was away from his mind on this particular morning. When he was out tending his crops, it was just him and the crop, and no other distractions. Life was peaceful that way.
He saw and heard rustling in the cornfields.
"Hmm," he said, "I wonder if that's the mafia coming for poor me, all alone in the cornfields, defenseless except for his farming tools. Well..." he was raising his voice, "I guess they DIDN'T COUNT ON THIS!" As the rustling drew to his area he pulled out a pistol, and was clearly ready to use it. While it was a small model and probably not lethal unless properly-aimed, it would still hurt a lot.
However, he relaxed. The rustling didn't belong the the mafia but to his prized, 12 kg chickens. But there was something about them...
Then he saw it, and screamed. All of them were somehow wearing T-shirts, T-shirts which said "I :smitten: Sasaki."
The chickens went straight for him and started pecking away. It wasn't as messy as poor Horus's death, but it was definitely up there. Out of sight, viewing the incident with binoculars, the mafioso laughed and tossed a bottle of human pills to himself, thinking how it was a wonderful coincidence that they didn't work properly at all on the chickens.
Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered all the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "Today we are faced with the deaths - extremely nasty, messy affairs that I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy - of two more upstanding members of the community. I have nothing more to say. If you wish for the grief to end, then I beg of you to vote for the correct person. That will be all, you know the drill."
~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (28)
woad&fangs
Ignoramus
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
Destroyer of Hope
RoadKill
Twilightblade
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Andres
Pannonian
FesterShinetop
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Fragony
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
~~~~~~~~~
As the villagers gaze up at the skies, they notice with alarm that it is clouding up at a rapid rate. They might be in for a storm of divine proportions tonight.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-06-2007, 01:14
hmm interesting
hmm interesting
Not really. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY)
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 02:11
Vote: Andres
Now, more than ever.
Tiberius of the Drake
09-06-2007, 02:21
Vote:Andres
woad&fangs
09-06-2007, 02:22
:skull: :skull: :skull::skull: :skull: :skull: :skull::skull: :skull:
:skull: :skull: vote: Andres:skull: :skull:
:skull: :skull: :skull::skull: :skull: :skull: :skull::skull: :skull:
GeneralHankerchief
09-06-2007, 02:23
:skull: :skull: :skull::skull: :skull: :skull: :skull::skull: :skull:
:skull: :skull: vote: Andres:skull: :skull:
:skull: :skull: :skull::skull: :skull: :skull: :skull::skull: :skull:
I fully expect the skulls to be in place if you unvote Andres for this round.
-edit- Ten more Andres votes and this'll be a quick auto-lynch.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-06-2007, 02:40
let's do it! Quick lynch! Quick lynch!
Twilightblade
09-06-2007, 02:46
Tally
Andres 5 (Ichigo, W&F, Tran, TotD, DC)
Proletariat
09-06-2007, 02:47
I've been going for him every round so far, why not?
Vote: Andres
If we're somehow wrong, let's lynch Don C, and then Kage for always putting up soft arguments against Don.
Edit: 9 to go
TevashSzat
09-06-2007, 02:54
Why is everyone voting Andres??? Did I miss something major, I just skimmed through most of the previous day's post so I may have missed something.
Its kinda wierd how I am killed. I am rarely very active on mafia games no matter how big they are. I don't think that I have every made more than 15-20 posts in one game. I think there are tons of better targets than me so one has to think about it......
Also, this is the first time, I have been killed my mafia instead of being lynched. I must say I'm proud :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
Make some room on the bandwagon...
vote: andres
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Beefy187
09-06-2007, 05:09
Hmm.. Does this make me innocent or am i still not allowed to have an grave in my honour?:sweatdrop:
Well Andres is a bit suspicious, wouldn't be suprised would he be mafia, but same for W&F's
Vote: Woad&Fangs
Crazed Rabbit
09-06-2007, 07:17
So...why are we going after Andres?
I mean, yea, he's been acting a bit odd. But he wasn't acting that different from last round.
Or is it just a mafia I style bandwagon (see the lynching of Lehesu) ?
Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Andres
Tran, unless I'm much mistaken, we've had a discussion about vote justification before.
You can't even get away with 'he said it' this time, being the second on the bandwagon...
Vote: Tran
Maybe some need to be reminded that bandwagons can easily be hijacked by the mafia, and are failed tools for the town as they do not stimulate discussion, our primary commodity...
Tran, unless I'm much mistaken, we've had a discussion about vote justification before.
You can't even get away with 'he said it' this time, being the second on the bandwagon...
Vote: Tran
Maybe some need to be reminded that bandwagons can easily be hijacked by the mafia, and are failed tools for the town as they do not stimulate discussion, our primary commodity...
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Nobody loves me :bigcry:
I was hoping to generate discussion with my behaviour, but nobody seems to bother to post a decent explanation for his/her vote...
You guys do realise that this kind of laziness will cause us to lose?
Vote : Ichigo
See last round :yes:
Nobody loves me :bigcry:
I was hoping to generate discussion with my behaviour, but nobody seems to bother to post a decent explanation for his/her vote...
You guys do realise that this kind of laziness will cause us to lose?
Vote : Ichigo
See last round :yes:
Or win.
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The way I figure it there's only one bad guy left. :smash:
I think we should ease the pressure on Andres and put some votes on Pannonian.
Why? Let me explain.
Pannonian is a good player and going through his posts there is nothing suspicious about them. They are painfully clinical or even cold.
They seem constructed with the intent of not saying anything scummy. Comparing his post here with the posts in the other games I have had the pleasure to play with Pannonian, they come over as too carefully worded.
Pannonian’s contribution in this game have been more or less just giving advice to the town and what to look for. He mentions several profiles of past Mafiosi and votes accordingly. What if Pannonian was Mafioso? Would not he make sure that he would not be detected?
My nose says Pannonian has a role that he is painfully trying to hide.
I say Vote:Pannonian.
Beefy187
09-06-2007, 09:23
Go for who ever.. But Andres must die sooner or later.
CountArach
09-06-2007, 09:25
Vote: Andres
[Stig mode]Bah, if Sasaki would play like this, nobody would vote him [/Stig mode]
:bounce:
Vote:Andres
Vote:Andres
Vote: Andres
Now, more than ever.
Make some room on the bandwagon...
vote: andres
Well Andres is a bit suspicious, wouldn't be suprised would he be mafia, but same for W&F's
Vote: Woad&Fangs
Vote: Andres
I must say, I'm really impressed by the sound reasoning for those votes. The logic in each and everyone of those posts is flawless.
:inquisitive:
No discussion = a wasted round.
Warmaster Horus
09-06-2007, 11:35
WHAT!!! WHY!!!???
was there reading material in there?
Probably. I always keep a book 'round in case I've got to wait a few minutes.
Jokes aside, why Andres? I haven't seen a decent explanation in the posts I skimmed.
[Stig mode]Bah, if Sasaki would play like this, nobody would vote him [/Stig mode]
:bounce:
And I would be right
Tally:
Andres: 8 (CountA, DonC, Ichigo, Prole, Tiberius, Tran, W&F, Xiahou)
Ichigo: 1 (Andres)
Tran: 1 (sapi)
W&F: 1(Stig)
Not voting: 17 (CR, DoH, Disco, Dutch, Fester, Fragony, gkhaan, Ignoramus, Kage, Kommodus, Lemur, Pannonian, Pra Tha, Roadkill, shlin, Twilight)
I say WoGs should have happened by now... Three players have not voted in any round (bolded above).
Strike three and they are out... ??
RoadKill
09-06-2007, 11:56
This an obvious massive bandwagon which isn't going to help the town at all. I find this a pointless lynch. We should have more detailed discussion to find out more. Vote:Abstain
If Andres proves innocent I think we will have to look at his bandwagoners to one of the mafia.
I also think that if the Detective is still alive he should investigate some of them and reveal within 2-3 nights. If he gets killed he's no use to us anymore.
This an obvious massive bandwagon which isn't going to help the town at all. I find this a pointless lynch. We should have more detailed discussion to find out more. Vote:Abstain
How about placing a vote on Pannonian.
This is the second time I am pointing my finger at him. He didn't respond last time = typically mafia behaviour.
Dutch_guy
09-06-2007, 12:09
I think we should ease the pressure on Andres and put some votes on Pannonian.
Why? Let me explain.
Pannonian is a good player and going through his posts there is nothing suspicious about them. They are painfully clinical or even cold.
They seem constructed with the intent of not saying anything scummy. Comparing his post here with the posts in the other games I have had the pleasure to play with Pannonian, they come over as too carefully worded.
Pannonian’s contribution in this game have been more or less just giving advice to the town and what to look for. He mentions several profiles of past Mafiosi and votes accordingly. What if Pannonian was Mafioso? Would not he make sure that he would not be detected?
My nose says Pannonian has a role that he is painfully trying to hide.
I say Vote:Pannonian.
Yes, plus he has been a bit less active in this game than he normally is. I disagree with your first bit though, that's basically his normal form of posting (see the highlighted) and it is a good form for a mafioso to post - it doesn't give much away, but it does remain (in this case) in character.
Vote:Pannonian.
:balloon2:
You guys do realise that this kind of laziness will cause us to lose?
Reminds me of this game hosted by Sasaki where discussion was low until Don Sigurd had killed everybody.:laugh4:
RoadKill
09-06-2007, 13:00
How about placing a vote on Pannonian.
This is the second time I am pointing my finger at him. He didn't respond last time = typically mafia behaviour.
Vote:Pannion This is not cuz I'm being told to but, Sigurd is right. I have also voted for pannion previously describing how weird he was acting, and who is he trying to be left out of discussion by lurking around?
I say Vote:Pannonian.
SigurdTheCunning :grin:
I'll do some rereading on Pannonian. In the meanwhile Unvote : Ichigo.
Finger of Suspicion. If you want to direct attention at certain individuals but don't want to actually vote for them, FoS is the tool. It can be used to point at multiple individuals.
Unvote: Brave Sir Robin
Vote: Beefy187
Can Beefy187 show up, or can someone explain his MO to me? My only previous experience of him was in M6, when I suspected him of being pever's alt-account, such was his inactivity. If he's been in any Mafia games since then, I'd like someone to explain how he plays. Alternatively, he can show up here and explain himself.
Explaing FOS + Voting Beefy because he wants to get to know him.
Now this is suspicious. Distrust of discussion and wanting to suppress it? Classic scum strategy, and this newbie doesn't even know how to disguise it.
Unvote: Beefy187
Vote: Sarathos
Promoting discussion.
Dying doesn't impede one's chances of success in a Mafia game, especially in such as these where the dead are allowed to continue discussion. If you are town, you win if the town wins, whether or not you survive. If you are mafia, you win when the mafia win, whether or not you survive. I've not survived a single completed game so far, but I've won in every one except Kung Fu Mafia. So participate in the discussions as much as you can.
Promoting discussion.
In the 2 TWC games I've played, I found 2 mafia using exactly the same tactics that Sarathos seems to be going for. In the first, I was drumming up discussion of any sort when someone accused me of bullying people into talking when they'd rather keep quiet - he was lynched the next round, my pointing at this scumtell having come too late to stop the 1st round wagon. In the 2nd instance, someone dismissed discussion as smoke and mirrors to obscure the scene - I led the lynch for him, and he too was scum.
The fact is, the mafia know who each other are - even without discussion, they have most of the information they need, except the identity of the detective. They don't need discussion. OTOH, the town has zilch information save what it can get through discussion, with the cop's reveal as a windfall that may or may not appear. Thus the town needs discussion. Dismissing discussion as inherently bad is a scum strategy, which may work in less voracious games as the mafia can guarantee however many votes they have, versus the inactivity of some townies. Not in this one I hope, so if Sarathos escapes the rope today, I will push for his lynching every day for the same reasoning until he gets the vote.
Promoting discussion.
Like Dutch Guy in M6, who lurked and abstained and laughed until GH threatened him with modkill. I had the idea of pinning a vote on the unfamiliar players to try and get them to talk so we can get a fix on them, but that got lost in the Sasaki-inspired hubbub.
Or inexperience. I'm not familiar with Sarathos' style, and I haven't noticed him before, so I figured he was an inexperienced mafioso trying to direct the game. As mentioned, I found at least a couple of scum in the TWC games trying exactly this. I also detected a godfather trying for the middle of the road trick as well, so I'm aware of that line of play. But in the early rounds, when there's little evidence as yet, and quite a few people haven't yet presented themselves, one might as well pick up on obvious clues as manufacture them from nowhere, as is normally the case in the 1st round.
Promoting discussion.
Such is the beauty of GH games, and the reason why it's a viable tactic for lynched scum to continue talking and misleading. That worked so well in a previous game that people were convinced that Reenk Roink was wrongly lynched, so swayed they were by his pretence. Unfortunately for him, the accusing fingers then pointed at the person who cast the tiebreakng vote on him, his partner Seamus Fermanagh.
Talking about past games, not really adding something new to this game.
I don't know if GH applies the rule in this game as he has in the past, but may I remind people of The Spartan's claim in Mafia III? We were puzzled by that because the mafia weren't allowed to claim at all, which meant TS's claim was therefore legally bogus. I don't know what kind of game Sasaki is trying to play here, and the town may decide to lynch him anyway under the "Lynch all liars" guideline, but I'd like GH to confirm whether or not that rule is operative in Mafia VII.
Asking a question about game mechanics + talk about previous games. Not really adding something to the discussion, with the exception that he seems to hope for WoG on Sasaki...
This is the true Sasaki Kojiro. Were this a D&D game, he'd be Chaotic Chaotic.
Doesn't add much to the discussion.
Vote: Beefy187
Simetrical made a point once that the town are in the dark about everything, while the mafia know who each other are, and this dichotomy is the basis of all Mafia games. The skill in playing as scum is to disguise this knowledge, and try one's best in showing town behaviour.
There was a post a while back where Beefy seemed suspiciously certain about various facts of the game. Now this may be the case in other games, where there are various ways of checking out players' actions during the night. However, in GH's Mafia, there are no such ways, except if one has a role. In this game, there are 2 types of roles, cop and mafia. Which one are you Beefy?
In this post, he doesn't really accuses Beefy of being mafia...
Thus far, Pannonian has been mainly a) promoting discussion b) talking about past games. Except for helping to lynch Sarathos because he seemed to be against discussion, he didn't really make a contribution to the discussion he's so eagerly to promote.
Sigurd might be right...
Vote : Pannonian
And where is Lemur? No more participating since the pressure is off? And Don Corleone?
Unvote: Tran; Vote: Pann
I do agree that he doesn't quite seem to be the same guy as normal, though I'd like him to prove me wrong...
Sasaki Kojiro
09-06-2007, 14:50
Wagon pann! Tie it up and let the two of them debate.
Kommodus
09-06-2007, 14:52
Jokes aside, why Andres? I haven't seen a decent explanation in the posts I skimmed.
Agreed. I would like to see the evidence against Andres summed up in a clearly reasoned post. Without that, this bizarre bandwagon against him seems entirely unjustified. Rest assured, you who jumped on it - I'm watching you. :stare:
Sigurd might be right about Pannonian, but I'm going to hold off voting until I've had a chance to get home and review the evidence for myself. Won't be for a while, unfortunately. :embarassed:
I do agree that he doesn't quite seem to be the same guy as normal, though I'd like him to prove me wrong...
You can do better sapi. What's so different about Pann in this game compared to other games?
Wagon pann! Tie it up and let the two of them debate.
In the meanwhile, what are your thoughs on Pannonian, Don Corleone and Lemur?
Any other suspects?
Oh, before I forget: can someone explain to me why I am being voted? I'd like to hear from the people I quoted in my previous post #695...
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 15:23
The reason I've been voting for you Andres was the rationale you have for voting for me.... Let's have a brief recap, shall we?
In the first round, Sasaki, in a debatable effort to get conversation started asked the town "If I told you I got a positive result on Don Corleone, would you believe me"? While some jumped on this and started voting for me, you were one of two senior players to fall for this ploy.
What's more, in round 2, when Sasaki had already admitted it was a bad joke and an attempt to get discussion going, you continued to point the finger at me, with no more evidence than Sasaki's 'reveal'. You've never once admitted you might have been wrong since then.
My votes for you are not revenge votes. I've said repeatedly, I don't mind getting lynched, and as per Prole's suggestion, if lynching you doesn't end the game, by all means, have the bandwagon stocked and ready to roll for me the next round (Jameson, neat, and some cocktail nuts, if you please). But your steadfast commitment to a bad joke by Sasaki is incredibly suspicious. The single most un-mafia-like behavior I can think of is a public admission "Yeah, I was wrong about that", something that would an awful lot of sense in your case but you patholgoically refuse to do. I can only think of one reason for your refusal.
But with the exception of this round, and just this round, I've seen nothing but odd behavior out of you. I had thought my vote of 'now more than ever' would have been self explanatory in that regard, as I've been as consistent as the Northern star in this game. But, since it appears to need to be said, I have said it. I believe you are guilty as sin. I think we've already nailed your accomplice, but I do not know this part to be true.
OOC: I also have nothing personal here. Andres is actually quite a decent fellow. Just the way the cards were dealt this game.
Pannonian
09-06-2007, 15:32
You can do better sapi. What's so different about Pann in this game compared to other games?
One difference is that I've recently been playing in a couple of TWC games, where I've been trying to explain the ins and outs of the game to newcomers, explaining the theory on both how the town should be looking to play, and how the mafia would thereby be countering them. Another difference is that I've decided not to throw hissy fits about having suspicion cast on me, so if my explanation doesn't suffice then I'll go to the gallows without complaint.
AFAICS the main point against Andres this particular round would be the style of the killings, which are offbeat in an Andres-esque way. Personally, I think the description of last night's killings are a bit more stilted than usual for GH, which would point to someone giving him some distinctly unpromising material to fashion into a story. Kommo might have something to say about this from his experience with Moros (aka Gertgregoor).
Kagemusha
09-06-2007, 15:43
Vote Proletariat. Just becouse she criticizes my arguments to vote Don.Dear lady you have offended poor Kage´s feelings of possessing superior mafia hunting capabilities.:cry:
What's more, in round 2, when Sasaki had already admitted it was a bad joke and an attempt to get discussion going, you continued to point the finger at me, with no more evidence than Sasaki's 'reveal'. You've never once admitted you might have been wrong since then.
- I continued to point the finger at you not only because of the fake reveal of Sasaki (was it really a fake reveal? Why did the mafia kill him so soon, since he was drawing alot of votes to him...? Or was the reveal fake but the "guilty result" on Don Corleone a lucky guess?), but also because of what I said here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1655471&postcount=200) and here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1655704&postcount=224) and the unsatisfying responses you gave me in the conversation between us that followed.
- I never admitted that I am wrong, because I'm not sure that I'm wrong. Besides, I never said that there was absolutely no possibility that I was wrong, hence these posts:
Well, in case you didn't notice, DC started lurking this round. And after reading his story in the Frontroom ( ), it seems like he had a good excuse.
Besides, what's wrong with focusing on other players as well?
Well, we are looking for TWO mafia. And there's always the possibility that I'm wrong, so i shouldn't narrow the field down to Don Corleone alone, should I?
Like I said, we're still in the beginning of the game, there'll be plenty of opportunity to go after DC later in the game. Since he is not responding now, might as well focus on some other suspects.
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In fact, his continued voting for me, with no additional evidence, just makes him look even guiltier (can't admit a mistake, because if he survives, he'll be forced to acknowledge it down the road, more of a concern for mafia then a townie).
I had thought my vote of 'now more than ever' would have been self explanatory in that regard, as I've been as consistent as the Northern star in this game.
Hypocrisy? Or is it a confession?
OOC: I also have nothing personal here. Andres is actually quite a decent fellow. Just the way the cards were dealt this game.
I know :bow: The feelings are mutual :knuddel: ~:cheers:
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 16:05
Vote Proletariat. Just becouse she criticizes my arguments to vote Don.Dear lady you have offended poor Kage´s feelings of possessing superior mafia hunting capabilities.:thinking2:
Who are you, and what have you done with the Kagemusha we all know and admire? :inquisitive:
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 16:11
Hypocrisy? Or is it a confession?
Changing ones reasoning for no apparent reason is inconsistent, something I have not been. Given additional information to consider, a reevaluation of the present facts might lead one to change their mind. Thus far, I haven't seen any new explanations out of you (you're still proposing that Sasaki's crazy initial post may have been real!!!) and therefore I have no reason to adjust my view point. Given some new facts, I may reasonably conclude that I should.
But steadfastly refusing to alter one's views, even in light of new and contravening facts, is highly suspicious behavior. :inquisitive:
Put another way, give me a solid reason not to vote for you, and I'll break out the kneepads with an apology. Until then, my reasons for voting you have been stated numerous times and shouldn't require restating every round. :yes:
You, on the other hand, have had the entire active half of the town question the logic of your case against me and you've seen fit to ignore it all. You've taken an almost messianic role, as though the Lord Himself has revealed my guilt to you, and you need not explain yourself to the rest of us. :inquisitive:
You, on the other hand, have had the entire active half of the town question the logic of your case against me and you've seen fit to ignore it all. You've taken an almost messianic role, as though the Lord Himself has revealed my guilt to you, and you need not explain yourself to the rest of us. :inquisitive:
But I did explain myself. Look at the posts I linked to in my previous post.
:wall: :bigcry:
Who is ignoring who?
:inquisitive:
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 16:20
But I did explain myself. Look at the posts I linked to in my previous post.
:wall: :bigcry:
So,, pelase help me, with my rather limited faculties, what exactly your case against me is...
1) Sasaki made a false reveal against me in the first round of discussion.
2) You found my post that somewhat supported Sasaki's decision to do the false reveal as stating the obvious and from that, could conclude beyond the shadow of a doubt that I was guilty.
3) You felt that I hadn't made a strong stand against anyone early enough in the discussion.
And I've answered all three of these points and explained why I don't view any of these three points as valid.
1) The sheer lunacy of that being a true reveal boggles the mind. What's more, Sasaki admitted that it wasn't.
2) It couldn't have been that obvious as the town almost voted to lynch Sasaki and I had to fight hard, using the exact same logic, to save his skin, only to have the mafia claim it the following night. :wall:
3) As I pointed out, this actually makes you look rather suspicious, as I called Kagemusha on his "have the mafia sent their orders in" post (and for it, he has voted for me in every single round until this one, when he oddly switched to Proletariat, simply for questioning the logic of his decision, which frankly, escapes me as well).
Give me something I can use Andres, and I am at your service. Until then...
DIE MAFIA SCUM!!! :skull:
Kagemusha
09-06-2007, 16:24
:thinking2:
Who are you, and what have you done with the Kagemusha we all know and admire? :inquisitive:
Well she suggested lynching us both later, so a little retaliation might be in place.:yes: Also its also nice to see her posting, if not else then defending her stance on the issues already mentioned. Is that enough for reasoning my vote?:painting:
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 16:24
Well, Andres, I'm taking a more inductive reasoning approach here for a moment... going to the big picture.
You're either a very poor mafia or you're not one at all. You wouldn't continue to hang your hat on such a flimsy case, and so publicly. I think you really think I'm guilty. Which means you aren't. I'm not either, but you couldn't actually know that, though I'm afraid I am going to have to chide you a bit for your mafia-hunting logic (all 3 of your points against me, as I've pointed out, are rather weak).
That being said, were you mafia, you wouldn't admit that you're wrong, but you also wouldn't continue to make a federal case out of it either. Your tenacious defense of your questionable logic has convinced me. I no longer believe you to be mafia.
Unvote: Andres
Now, who to vote for....
Well, Kagemusha's acting rather weird...
Vote: Kagemusha
Kagemusha
09-06-2007, 16:31
Well, Andres, I'm taking a more inductive reasoning approach here for a moment... going to the big picture.
You're either a very poor mafia or you're not one at all. You wouldn't continue to hang your hat on such a flimsy case, and so publicly. I think you really think I'm guilty. Which means you aren't. I'm not either, but you couldn't actually know that, though I'm afraid I am going to have to chide you a bit for your mafia-hunting logic (all 3 of your points against me, as I've pointed out, are rather weak).
That being said, were you mafia, you wouldn't admit that you're wrong, but you also wouldn't continue to make a federal case out of it either. Your tenacious defense of your questionable logic has convinced me. I no longer believe you to be mafia.
Unvote: Andres
Now, who to vote for....
Well, Kagemusha's acting rather weird...
Vote: Kagemusha
Well now Don. My vote for Prole was trying to be a friendly poke, so does speak. Case against Andres seems to be so strong, so joining the bandwagon seemed rather useless, so i thought to cast a light hearted vote for my part. So far three most suspicious people in my mind have been You, Husar and Andres. Husar is gone, i think Andres will be too soon enough and next i will continue coming after you.
Nothing personal, i just think that there is large possibility that you are mafia,watching your behaviour.:yes:
So,, pelase help me, with my rather limited faculties, what exactly your case against me is...
1) Sasaki made a false reveal against me in the first round of discussion.
2) You found my post that somewhat supported Sasaki's decision to do the false reveal as stating the obvious and from that, could conclude beyond the shadow of a doubt that I was guilty.
3) You felt that I hadn't made a strong stand against anyone early enough in the discussion.
And I've answered all three of these points and explained why I don't view any of these three points as valid.
So, you admit that I did explain myself when I voted you?
Then why did you say this:
You, on the other hand, have had the entire active half of the town question the logic of your case against me and you've seen fit to ignore it all. You've taken an almost messianic role, as though the Lord Himself has revealed my guilt to you, and you need not explain yourself to the rest of us.
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1) The sheer lunacy of that being a true reveal boggles the mind. What's more, Sasaki admitted that it wasn't.
2) It couldn't have been that obvious as the town almost voted to lynch Sasaki and I had to fight hard, using the exact same logic, to save his skin, only to have the mafia claim it the following night. :wall:
3) As I pointed out, this actually makes you look rather suspicious, as I called Kagemusha on his "have the mafia sent their orders in" post (and for it, he has voted for me in every single round until this one, when he oddly switched to Proletariat, simply for questioning the logic of his decision, which frankly, escapes me as well).
1) a) Sasaki is very capable of revealing in such a way b) the reveal might have been fake, but maybe Sasaki's crazy accusation was right, which resulted in a perhaps paranoid mafioso to kill him, just for sure...
2) = You protected him and the next night he got killed, so it wouldn't make any sense that you are mafia. WIFOM...?
3) I don't understand Kage's vote either. But it's not enough to vote him, yet...
What are your thoughts on Pannonian?
Well now Don. My vote for Prole was trying to be a friendly poke, so does speak. Case against Andres seems to be so strong, so joining the bandwagon seemed rather useless, so i thought to cast a light hearted vote for my part. So far three most suspicious people in my mind have been You, Husar and Andres. Husar is gone, i think Andres will be too soon enough and next i will continue coming after you.
Nothing personal, i just think that there is large possibility that you are mafia,watching your behaviour.:yes:
Hmmm, which points exactly of the case against me are strong?
You made your Prole-joke. Why aren't you voting one of your suspects now? In case you didn't notice, Pann and I are leading in the votes. Why not voting for me to avoid Pann, who is not on your suspects list apparantly, getting lynched?
discovery1
09-06-2007, 16:50
Vote: Andres for no reason at all.
Vote: Andres for no reason at all.
Bah :no:
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 17:01
So, you admit that I did explain myself when I voted you?
Then why did you say this:
Perhaps I should have been more careful with my choice of language. I should have said "explained yourself convincingly".
1) a) Sasaki is very capable of revealing in such a way b) the reveal might have been fake, but maybe Sasaki's crazy accusation was right, which resulted in a perhaps paranoid mafioso to kill him, just for sure...
2) = You protected him and the next night he got killed, so it wouldn't make any sense that you are mafia. WIFOM...?
3) I don't understand Kage's vote either. But it's not enough to vote him, yet...
What are your thoughts on Pannonian?
You are correct that 1B and 2, taken together with no other inputs, form a WIFOM. But you're forgetting that Sasaki made that crazy claim in the first round. He didn't get killed until night 3. Aside from which, everyone knows that Sasaki doesn't shut up when he gets killed. Killing Sasaki after he's accused somebody, just to protect the accused, is a boneheaded play.
Well, Kagemusha, I didn't take your vote as a joke. But now that you've said that it was one, I'll have to take your word on it. To be hoenst, I hadn't thought past Andres and had no other suspects lined up.
Unvote: Kagemusha
Vote: Abstain
I'm not certain I buy the logic against Pannonian right now. I don't find it compelling, and he has a reasonable rebuttal to the case made against him.
Warmaster Horus
09-06-2007, 17:01
Are you serious, disco? 'Cos that honestly doesn't help at all.
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 17:04
Are you serious, disco? 'Cos that honestly doesn't help at all.
I think he meant that playfully, to poke at Andres after Andres' "all you voting against me with no reason, answer for yourselves" post. But you're right. That does nothing but show that Disco can be humorous.
Kagemusha
09-06-2007, 17:26
Hmmm, which points exactly of the case against me are strong?
You made your Prole-joke. Why aren't you voting one of your suspects now? In case you didn't notice, Pann and I are leading in the votes. Why not voting for me to avoid Pann, who is not on your suspects list apparantly, getting lynched?
Dont worry about my vote friend.I will change it to you if necessary.:holiday:
Crazed Rabbit
09-06-2007, 17:46
Vote: Pannonion
To help get them tied up.
CR
No idea what the score is, but I would love a tie between Andres and Pann
Unvote: W&F (where are you?)
Vote: Pann
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 18:19
CR & Stig,
Whenever I try to vote to place or maintain a tie, its because I'm absolutely convinced of the innocence of both of the leading candidates. Are you?
Crazed Rabbit
09-06-2007, 18:22
No. That doesn't make sense. Were I assured of their innocence, I wouldn't vote for them.
I'm trying to provide the opportunity for more discussion instead of just a quick lynch of Andres.
CR
No, for me it's vica versa actually.
I had Andres on probably mafia, and nothing for Pann as he isn't active, which is suspicious
Kommodus
09-06-2007, 18:30
AFAICS the main point against Andres this particular round would be the style of the killings, which are offbeat in an Andres-esque way. Personally, I think the description of last night's killings are a bit more stilted than usual for GH, which would point to someone giving him some distinctly unpromising material to fashion into a story. Kommo might have something to say about this from his experience with Moros (aka Gertgregoor).
It's true that when the story appears to be written mostly by GH, it's usually an indication that the mafia gave him little material to work with. (Not necessarily poor material - the idea may be sound; just not written out much). This is what happened with Moros' early kills. Later, he started sending in more detailed material, and this became apparent in the kill descriptions, as GH uses as much material from the mafia's kill descriptions as he can safely do.
Warmaster Horus's death is extremely close one of Andres' early kills in Mafia VI, when someone (forgot who) was pecked to death by chickens. An extremely obvious frame-up attempt? Quite possibly. I think the mafia are using our suspicions of Andres against us.
The single most un-mafia-like behavior I can think of is a public admission "Yeah, I was wrong about that", something that would an awful lot of sense in your case but you patholgoically refuse to do. I can only think of one reason for your refusal.
I personally can't think of any reason why Andres would do this. "He's mafia" is not an explanation, IMO. Mafia generally try to sound reasonable; Andres' commitment to Sasaki's "bad joke" seems entirely unreasonable to me. I nailed him in Mafia VI for using bad logic, but his logic then at least sounded reasonable, and convinced some people. Here it appears he's just being ridiculous. :dizzy2:
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 18:49
No. That doesn't make sense. Were I assured of their innocence, I wouldn't vote for them.
I'm trying to provide the opportunity for more discussion instead of just a quick lynch of Andres.
CR
I suppose I should explain my rationale here. Hypothetical situation: let's say Sigurd had 4 votes and Sasaki had 5. It's 15 minutes until the end of voting, and I'm convinced both Sigurd and Sasaki are innocent. In fact, my vote has been on XdeathFIRE, who I'm convinced is guilty. At the last minute, I would change my vote from XdeathFIRE to Sigurd, to keep either one of them from going down the tubes.
Again, this is hypothetical.
Kagemusha
09-06-2007, 20:14
I hope there is a WOG coming soon. The activity level of this game is getting pretty low, or is it just like this novadays in all games?
:dizzy2: Gone for one day, and look what happens... four more pages for me to vaguely read! :furious3:
BTW, why isnt anybody voting Lemur? I vaguely remember someone saying he's the mafia, vote Lemur
Dutch_guy
09-06-2007, 20:39
I personally can't think of any reason why Andres would do this. "He's mafia" is not an explanation, IMO. Mafia generally try to sound reasonable; Andres' commitment to Sasaki's "bad joke" seems entirely unreasonable to me. I nailed him in Mafia VI for using bad logic, but his logic then at least sounded reasonable, and convinced some people. Here it appears he's just being ridiculous.
What does Holmes tell us about Andres, or about anyone else for that matter ?
I'd say he has made enough posts, as have most of us, to make a scan worthwhile.
:balloon2:
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 20:42
What does Holmes tell us about Andres, or about anyone else for that matter ?
I'd say he has made enough posts, as have most of us, to make a scan worthwhile.
:balloon2:
Who's Holmes?
GeneralHankerchief
09-06-2007, 20:51
Kage: Read the description (a few pages back) carefully. :yes:
Don: Holmes is Kommodus's fancy-schmancy system that analyzes content of posts and then gives data on it which helps the town. It's been proven to be fairly accurate in the past.
Kommodus
09-06-2007, 20:51
Who's Holmes?
Holmes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes)
...or maybe you meant Holmes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=78384)...
More information available here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1453772#post1453772).
:holmes: :logic:
DG: If I have time, I'll work on a scan later tonight. I've got a soccer game and a lot of work to do, so it might not be up for couple of days.
It's called football
Mafia 6 was a great game btw
GeneralHankerchief
09-06-2007, 20:56
Yes, but he is playing it in the US, therefore American naming takes precedence. Soccer it is.
edited for grammar
BTW, why isnt anybody voting Lemur? I vaguely remember someone saying he's the mafia, vote Lemur
And if that's all it takes, then I'm going to vaguely say that you are mafia. Have fun.
I'm sorry, I really don't understand the reasoning people are using. I kinda saw the logic behind the Beefy lynch, but now I'm lost. I guess I better read up on game theory.
To paraphrase the John Carpenter '80s classic, I know I'm a villager, and I know some of you must be villagers, or the game would be over. Now if only we could rig up a blood test, like in the movie.
I'm going to Vote: Ichigo, for two reasons. (1) He's leading the bandwagon on Andres, which I still don't entirely understand, and (2) he accused me last round, and I'm the only person I know to be innocent.
Dutch_guy
09-06-2007, 21:20
DG: If I have time, I'll work on a scan later tonight. I've got a soccer game and a lot of work to do, so it might not be up for couple of days.
I do hope that doesn't equal having to lose yet two victims and perhaps a third during the lynch, the system is by no means a guarantee for your innocence, and we'll be keeping a close watch.
That said, good luck with your football match.
:balloon2:
Twilightblade
09-06-2007, 21:55
Vote: Pann
A tie is a good way to get more disscussion which means a better chance to lynch a mafia
You people are way too serious. I say look at the people who are reluctant to join the bandwagons.
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