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I suppose I should explain my rationale here. Hypothetical situation: let's say Sigurd had 4 votes and Sasaki had 5. It's 15 minutes until the end of voting, and I'm convinced both Sigurd and Sasaki are innocent. In fact, my vote has been on XdeathFIRE, who I'm convinced is guilty. At the last minute, I would change my vote from XdeathFIRE to Sigurd, to keep either one of them from going down the tubes.
Again, this is hypothetical.
That doesn't make sense. Why voting for an innocent player?
Well, Andres, I'm taking a more inductive reasoning approach here for a moment... going to the big picture.
You're either a very poor mafia or you're not one at all. You wouldn't continue to hang your hat on such a flimsy case, and so publicly. I think you really think I'm guilty. Which means you aren't. I'm not either, but you couldn't actually know that, though I'm afraid I am going to have to chide you a bit for your mafia-hunting logic (all 3 of your points against me, as I've pointed out, are rather weak).
That being said, were you mafia, you wouldn't admit that you're wrong, but you also wouldn't continue to make a federal case out of it either. Your tenacious defense of your questionable logic has convinced me. I no longer believe you to be mafia.
That doesn't make sense either. My reasoning for voting you was not bad. Your defense is not convincing. You are continuously repeating that my logic is wrong, but your defense and arguments against my accusations are weak. Now you unvote me for a reason that is basically WIFOM.
You are correct that 1B and 2, taken together with no other inputs, form a WIFOM. But you're forgetting that Sasaki made that crazy claim in the first round. He didn't get killed until night 3. Aside from which, everyone knows that Sasaki doesn't shut up when he gets killed. Killing Sasaki after he's accused somebody, just to protect the accused, is a boneheaded play.
Well, Kagemusha, I didn't take your vote as a joke. But now that you've said that it was one, I'll have to take your word on it. To be hoenst, I hadn't thought past Andres and had no other suspects lined up.
Unvote: Kagemusha
Vote: Abstain
I'm not certain I buy the logic against Pannonian right now. I don't find it compelling, and he has a reasonable rebuttal to the case made against him.
You call it a crazy claim. The claim was fake, but the accusation maybe was spot on. Why else would the mafia kill him since he was lynch bait. And I remember you from previous mafia games: you are extremely paranoid. Also, the reason for unvoting Kage is not convincing. You didn't think about other suspects past me, you unvote Kage and you are not certain about Pannonian.
That's it? Nothing else? Weren't you the one who said that we needed to take A STAND?
I think he meant that playfully, to poke at Andres after Andres' "all you voting against me with no reason, answer for yourselves" post. But you're right. That does nothing but show that Disco can be humorous.
An unnecessary post...
That's it, Don Corleone is much higher on my suspect list than Pannonian.
Unvote : Pannonian
Vote : Don Corleone
And I'm still waiting for some explanation from Tran, Xiahou and CountArach...
Unvote:Andres, Vote:DC You got off the Andres wagon :mean:
Beefy187
09-06-2007, 23:03
Scummy list Top= most scummy
Andres (Lynch him just in case. Because if you dont do it now you never will. But if you want more discussion keep him alive)
EDIT
DC (Good thing.. He might be the mafia. Bad thing... If you kill him thats another active player down)
Pannonian (Option number 2. His not talking much is he?)
All the fellows whos trying to be neutral (Andres might be innocent. If that is so then go for one of them)
Bandwagnors (They are just lazy i think)
Lurkers (Leave them for WoG)
Talk more townies or your doomed!
thats just my opinion.. Ignore me if you want
Why are we not lynching Don Corleone?
Pannonian
09-06-2007, 23:33
Scummy list Top= most scummy
Andres (Lynch him just in case. Because if you dont do it now you never will. But if you want more discussion keep him alive)
EDIT
DC (Good thing.. He might be the mafia. Bad thing... If you kill him thats another active player down)
Pannonian (Option number 2. His not talking much is he?)
This just confirms my belief that Beefy was lynched correctly as a mafioso. I can understand players who've played often with me to complain that I've posted less frequently than in the past. However, IIRC I've only ever been involved in one previous game with Beefy (Kung Fu Mafia), in which he was barely present, so I'm not sure where he gets this comparison from, except to heap suspicion on an existing target.
I'm abstaining this round because I'm not entirely happy with the Andres bandwagon, and the only realistic alternative is to lynch me instead, which I'm understandably loath to do.
Vote: abstain
Andres - 7 (w&f, Tran, Prole, Tiberius, Disco, CA, Xiahou)
Pann - 6 (roadkill, twilightblade, Stig, sapi, Dutch Guy, Rabbit)
Don - 2 (Andres, Ichigo)
Lemur - 1 (Shlin)
Ichigo - 1 (Lemur)
Prole - 1 (Kage)
Abstain - 3 (Kommodus, Pann, Don)
No vote - 7 (Ignoramus, GK, Destroyer, Sir Robin, Fester, Pra, Fragony)
woad&fangs
09-06-2007, 23:40
I'm fairly confident that the lynching of Andres will result in the end of the game. However, if he is lynched and the game doesn't end then I believe he does seem to have a good case against Don Corleone.
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 23:42
Hmmm. So I finally come around on my thinking and figure no mafia would be so crazy, and Andres proves once again, crazy like a fox. It's almost like he wants me to vote for him. He's back on his kick about Sasaki and that stupid claim at the beginning of the game. Well, if he wants me voting for him, who am I not to oblige.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Andres
Proletariat
09-06-2007, 23:43
Edit: Meh, still waffling on who to vote for. Beefy pining for Andres lynch is extremely curious, tho
Don Corleone
09-06-2007, 23:43
I'm fairly confident that the lynching of Andres will result in the end of the game. However, if he is lynched and the game doesn't end then I believe he does seem to have a good case against Don Corleone.
What case? That I believed he couldn't possibly be that bad at being mafia? Hey, look, if you all want to lynch me this round and Andres next, be my guest. If you want to leave me alive to watch Andres lynch, so be it. But all I have to say is that if Andres isn't the mafia, they're having an absolute ball watching this whole thing play out.:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Tratorix
09-06-2007, 23:44
I'm conflicted:help: . The case against Andres is very thin, but I think we have to lynch him just to get it over with. If he's guilty, great, if he's innocent, at least we can move on to suspecting someone else.
Soooo Vote:Andres
I'm abstaining this round because I'm not entirely happy with the Andres bandwagon, and the only realistic alternative is to lynch me instead, which I'm understandably loath to do.I don't care if it's a bandwagon or not. I've thought from early on that Andres seemed scummy, so if he's going down this round I'm not going to go all weak-kneed just because it's become a "bandwagon".
Unvote:DC, Vote:Andres legendary bandwagon
Beefy187
09-06-2007, 23:53
Quote:This just confirms my belief that Beefy was lynched correctly as a mafioso. I can understand players who've played often with me to complain that I've posted less frequently than in the past. However, IIRC I've only ever been involved in one previous game with Beefy (Kung Fu Mafia), in which he was barely present, so I'm not sure where he gets this comparison from, except to heap suspicion on an existing target.
Cant wait for the end of the game.. Youll be suprised mate..
KungFu was my first mafia game on the Org. There were too many discussion going on and i barely knew anyone in the game+ KungFu challenge system was too confusing for me. I played a couple more game since then and I normally get lynched for saying way too much random theories. I only said talk because you were getting attacked and i couldnt see you talking for a while. Reason why i put Andres and Pannonian is because they had the highest number of the votes when i wrote that (Then i realised DC bandwaggon started)
EDIT.. Bah quoting isnt working for me
GeneralHankerchief
09-07-2007, 00:00
One hour left.
Lord Winter
09-07-2007, 00:56
Vote: sir Robin.
Your reason to vote for Andres seems like an attempt to bandwagon without drawing attention.
GeneralHankerchief
09-07-2007, 01:00
Voting over.
Stand by for the execution.
RoadKill
09-07-2007, 01:09
Vote: sir Robin.
Your reason to vote for Andres seems like an attempt to bandwagon without drawing attention.
No, hes just a noob. I am almost 100% sure hes not mafia. So I suggest you use your vote for a better person, instead of wasting your vote.
Kommodus
09-07-2007, 01:43
Meh, missed it again. :no:
Just got back from the football/soccer game. We lost. Hey, we're just a rag-tag band of friends trying to compete in an open league that all the good players in the area use for practice. Whaddya expect? :shrug:
Anyway... it'll still be a while before I can come up with a good analysis, but in the meantime I'd like to say this:
I haven't seen this much false certainty since Mafia III! :wall:
Killing Andres will not end the game. He's most likely innocent; just a little, well, confused. Why he's sticking by his extremely weak case against DC, insisting repeatedly that it's somehow strong, is beyond me, but I don't think he'd do it if he was mafia.
Don Corleone is most likely innocent. I see no valid grounds for a case against him at all. I may revise this opinion later, but for now we should be considering other suspects.
Beefy was very likely innocent. The arguments against him were flimsy at best. Were he guilty, I'd have expected a much stronger defense.
I'll try to come up with some suspects of my own soon.
-K
GeneralHankerchief
09-07-2007, 01:45
It was the end of Day Four of the mafia's infestation of the Frontroom. Chief of Police Beirut had hoped that it wouldn't last that long, but it did. He was just beginning to admit to himself that he was a little disappointed in the townies for allowing it to last this long.
Hopefully, it would end tonight. Hopefully, this is the last time that he would be disappointed. Hopefully, he would never have to admit anything this bad to himself again.
He was still confident, mostly because the townies were confident. They had gone after their target, Andres, with a vigor not seen in the past three days. Some were proudly predicting that tonight would be the final night, that they had already smoked out one killer and were about to finish off the second one tonight. Beirut found solace and confort in this, and as a result he had little mercy for Andres.
"Gentlemen," he announced to the crowd once voting had concluded, "You have hereby found Andres guilty of murder. The sentence, as always, will be carried out immediately. Andres, you are accorded a few final words before you are electrocuted, if you wish."
"Darn right I wish, Beirut," Andres said as he made his way up to the execution platform. "Now look, people, you've got the wrong guy! You need to go after the people that are going after me! I'm innocent, they're voting against me, therefore they must be guilty! Look at most people's reasoning! Oh, wait, you can't, because there is none!"
He continued gabbering on, completely not noticing Beirut strapping him into the electric chair. He was entirely focused on delivering his message to the townspeople, and he would die doing it. Literally.
"I mean, I'm trying to help the town! And you guys are still lynching me, therefore you're killing the town's chances of getting out of this alive! And that's scummy behavior right there! Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Bl-" FRZZZZZTZTZ!
Mercifully, Beirut had brought an end to that painful discourse. The crowd sighed in relief, but they realized that there was no accompanying silence. Indeed, outside noise was still present...
FRZZZT-ZZT-ZZT-ZZZZ...
The electric chair was still strong. Beirut was trying again and again to turn it off, but to no avail. It seemed that it had taken on a mind of its own.
"She's gonna blow!" he screamed. Everyone out!!!" The crowd obeyed, yelling and pushing and jostling their way out of the square.
...ZZT-ZZT-ZZTZ-BANG!
The chair exploded, sending blue flashes of lightning everywhere. Some in the crowd dove for cover, the distinct smell of scorched cement already lingering in the air. When the dust cleared, there were three large black splotches where there used to people. After a quick head count, Beirut realized that three people had perished in the accident - Ignoramus, FesterShinetop, and Fragony. Someone puked at the misery of it all.
"Well, hopefully that'll be the last of the deaths," Beirut said. "Go home, everybody."
Voting total for Round 4:
Andres: 9 (woad&fangs, Tran, Brave_Sir_Robin, Proletariat, Tiberius of the Drake, discovery1, CountArach, Don Corleone, Xiahou) :skull:
Pannonian: 6 (RoadKill, Twilightblade, Stig, sapi, Dutch_guy, Crazed Rabbit)
Don Corleone: 2 (Ichigo, Andres)
Brave_Sir_Robin: 1 (Destroyer of Hope)
Lemur: 1 (shlin28)
Ichigo: 1 (Lemur)
Proletariat: 1 (Kagemusha)
Abstained: 2 (Pannonian, Kommodus)
Didn't vote: 5 (Ignoramus, greaterkhaan, FesterShinetop, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien, Fragony)
~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (24)
woad&fangs
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
Destroyer of Hope
RoadKill
Twilightblade
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
TevashSzat
09-07-2007, 03:03
And........the game hasn't ended yet.
I really think that you guys were too hasty in all bandwagoning Andres. I did not find anything he did to be that incriminating yet everyone went for him on account of Beefy or partially because of him I believe.
Why are you guys even trusting him? He was just lynched so no one knows if he was mafia or not. For all you guys know, hes just mafia trying to protect his partner. I believe Kommodus said that he doesnt think Beefy is mafia since he didnt go for a big defence, but from my recollection, Beefy's fate was pretty much already decided and there was no point for him to defend himself as too many people voted for him. By excessively defending himself, hes just risking sounding too defensive and scummy instead of a townie who just gives up and doesn't bother any more.
His activity is suspicious to say the least too. Basically no one killed or lynch is as active as he is even so we have some pretty active players normally who are already dead.
Finally, FOS: Tran, Brave_Sir_Robin, Proletariat, Tiberius of the Drake, discovery1, CountArach, Xiahou all of the lurkers who just popped in to bandwagon on somebody. Have you guys not realized that there isn't much evidence against Andres?? Also, if you guys are too busy to get constantly updated, then dont join an obvious bandwagon and just make observations or vote for people with little votes that you think are suspicious.
Andres was guilty. :holmes:
discovery1
09-07-2007, 03:35
And........the game hasn't ended yet.
I'm pretty sure mafia games don't immediately end with the death of the last mafia. Rather we are left in suspense.
GeneralHankerchief
09-07-2007, 03:41
I'm pretty sure mafia games don't immediately end with the death of the last mafia. Rather we are left in suspense.
Correct.
You will always find out whether the game is still on or not at the end of the night phase.
Proletariat
09-07-2007, 03:43
Finally, FOS: Tran, Brave_Sir_Robin, Proletariat, Tiberius of the Drake, discovery1, CountArach, Xiahou all of the lurkers who just popped in to bandwagon on somebody. Have you guys not realized that there isn't much evidence against Andres?? Also, if you guys are too busy to get constantly updated, then dont join an obvious bandwagon and just make observations or vote for people with little votes that you think are suspicious.
Uhm, I've been suspecting Andres since the early rounds. If you were so sure he was innocent all along, this impassioned defense would've been more useful before we lynched him.
TevashSzat
09-07-2007, 03:58
Well, I assumed that the game would end if both mafia were lynched right after the lynch, but my apologies if that was not the case and Andres was the second mafia.
Secondly, I didn't defend Andres because I am really busy atm and can only check the Org really late after most of the major posts are done
RoadKill
09-07-2007, 04:01
Another waste of an obvious townie. If this game doesn't end after the night phase, we are going to have to start questioning the people who started the Andres bandwagon, yes I'm looking at you Ichigo.
Beefy187
09-07-2007, 04:24
How do you know that his innocent? He got enough skill to hide his identity
Another waste of an obvious townie. If this game doesn't end after the night phase, we are going to have to start questioning the people who started the Andres bandwagon, yes I'm looking at you Ichigo.
shivers
And........the game hasn't ended yet.
Ofcourse it hasn't ended, games always end with 5 persons left or so.
"I mean, I'm trying to help the town! And you guys are still lynching me, therefore you're killing the town's chances of getting out of this alive! And that's scummy behavior right there! Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Bl-" FRZZZZZTZTZ!
Mercifully, Beirut had brought an end to that painful discourse.
:laugh4:
Andres was guilty. :holmes:
You know this ... because ????
You know this ... because ????
You'd be amazed at the power wishful thinking has ~:)
You'd be amazed at the power wishful thinking has ~:)
Ichigo has been far too confident about his votes. I don't know if it's a playstyle issue or what, but it's kind of suspicious. He was sure about Beefy. Now he's sure about Andres. And note how dismissive he is of anyone who disagrees with him.
Arrogant misleader or mafia scum? You decide.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-07-2007, 16:11
*cough*
*points to highlighted text in notice*
*cough*
*points to highlighted text in notice*
What notice?
Don Corleone
09-08-2007, 01:50
Very intersting. Two hours overdue on the kills. *sniff* *sniff* I smell a town victory on the wind....
Tiberius of the Drake
09-08-2007, 01:58
srry for only bandwagoning recently. School just strted up for me again and im also on GMT -5, kind of inconvenient for me considering many players are in European time zones. I apologize for my lack of activity recently.:bow:
GeneralHankerchief
09-08-2007, 02:08
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. After yesterday's killings there was no sign of human life outside; the town's residents had mostly taken to the local pubs to partake in that timeless tradition of drowning their sorrows in alcohol.
The atmosphere in the bar was comparable to the situation when a favorite sports team lost an important match to their greatest rival, only worse. Nobody could share their sorrows with anybody. The person sitting next to them could, after all, be Mr. A.F.I.A., the notorious killer and poisoner. And, as a matter of fact, one of them was.
He sat and drank discreetly, his demeanor no different from the rest of the poor innocent townspeople's. This wasn't necessarily acting, as the mafioso noted with disappointment that the townies, especially the bartender, had become more paranoid. It was much more difficult to poison public liquid nowadays. He would have to be here longer than he wished.
The bartender, wary that most of the deaths in town had come from poison, was very careful not to leave drinks sitting for long. As soon as a paton had finished a glass he would whisk it away, wash it out, and thoroughly clean it with his rag. There would be absolutely no time to pour the magic substance in.
The mafioso fumed. Things were not supposed to be this difficult. But, he was a determined man, a man who wanted to finish the job he had started. And eventually his determination won out over his frustration. He finally saw an opening - the rag itself.
"Poison the thing designed to get rid of the poison, and the townies are powerless. That's why the AIDS virus is so successful - it attacks the defense itself." Smiling, he very carefully took out his vial, poured most of the poison on the rag, and left after drinking another beer, this time in happiness.
Later on, Destroyer of Hope walked in and just happened to get the unlucky glass that had been cleaned by the tainted rag first. He was dead before he even got a good taste of his final brew.
Twilightblade was also getting extremely paranoid about his food and drink, but his paranoia was to the point where he refused to consume anything that he himself did not repair. As a result, Twilight spent most of his time cooking, and he had gotten rather good at it. On today's menu was a delicious apple pie.
He had already gone through the process of preparing it and putting it in the oven. All that was left was for it to cool off. And so, Twilight went and placed his delicious apple pie out on the front windowsill, his paranoia failing to alert him that this was not a good idea.
The smell quickly attracted Mr. Arlan Frederick Ivanovich Ace, who, when he saw the pie laying out there all ready to be poisoned, chuckled at the foolishness of it all.
"Stupid townies," he said. "After all they've been through they should have learned... although according to Darwin this one'll deserve what he gets." He took out his vial, and poured the final drops of his supply of poison onto the pie. He had just returned the now-empty vial to his pocket when Twilightblade returned to check on his pie.
He froze. This was surely the end.
"And just what do you think you're doing, sir?"
"I was, uhm, er..." Blast! Why, WHY couldn't he think of anything smart to say?
"I know perfectly well what you're doing." The mafioso gulped, surely Twilight would take this to the Chief of Police and he had no gun on him. "Just because my food is delicious and completely free of poison does not entitle you to stealing the whole thing for yourself. I am an excellent cook and we can share the pie."
The mafioso's euphoria at Twilight's stupidity quickly evaporated at the realization that he would have to eat the poisoned pie to keep his cover. He nodded, pale, and grunted. Twilight invited him in and told him to sit down. Once the pie was placed on the table, he discreetly turned the dish so that Twilight was facing the end that had taken the brunt of the poisoning.
He deliberately cut his pie and took a bite of the crust first, the part that would hopefully be farthest from the poison. Immediately he felt the bitterness of the poison in his throat. It wasn't much, but it was still there, and he still needed treatment. He managed to keep a straight face throughout the swallow, which was most important. Twilight, satisfied, opened his mouth wide and took a huge bite of his. Evidently he had eaten the most saturated part, as he quickly keeled over, dead.
The mafioso walked out of the house, for the first time nervous. He hadn't swallowed that much, but it was surely enough to break down his immune system and kill him in a manner of days. He would need to make an antidote, but the problem was that it was complicated and some materials were extremely rare. He would have to start killing for survival, for surely the townies had them...
"PieFOM," he muttered, and emitted a high-pitched, nervous laugh.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (22)
woad&fangs
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Xiahou
Lemur
Kagemusha
Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
~~~~~~~~~~
@ Don: It's Friday night. I *do* have a life outside the .Org, you know. :tongue:
Vote: Don Corleone
No doubt about that, read his name...
Vote: Ichigo. He's been confident and assured as he chose person after person to accuse, frame, and execute. Remember how sure he was of Beefy? And how certain he was about Andres? Based on what, exactly? How could a townie be so dead-set on lynching people, unless he knew who the real mafia were?
You're one of them, Ichigo. No need to fess up, 'cause you won't.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-08-2007, 02:13
I think today needs some pressure on brave_sir_robin...
Sasaki Kojiro
09-08-2007, 02:13
...and lemur
Vote: Ichigo. He's been confident and assured as he chose person after person to accuse, frame, and execute. Remember how sure he was of Beefy? And how certain he was about Andres? Based on what, exactly? How could a townie be so dead-set on lynching people, unless he knew who the real mafia were?
You're one of them, Ichigo. No need to fess up, 'cause you won't.
Vote:Lemur I wasn't one of the ones who put a lynching vote on beefy.
GeneralHankerchief
09-08-2007, 02:15
I have a feeling that this round will go something like this:
:duel:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-08-2007, 02:16
I have a feeling that this round will go something like this:
:duel:
well your WRONG
:duel:
woad&fangs
09-08-2007, 02:18
Sasaki, could you please explain why we should pressure Brave Sir Robin and Lemur?
TevashSzat
09-08-2007, 02:19
I knew it! I bet Beefy was mafia and you guys all listened to him and killed of Andres.
Now, I would go for anyone who followed onto the bandwagon for Andres, especially the lurkers as I feel WoGs haven't been very harsh and the mafia could easily be one of them
Tiberius of the Drake
09-08-2007, 02:25
I belive that Sasaki is pressuring to many people and I dont really belive the whole "Im detective" ploy
Vote: Sasaki
GeneralHankerchief
09-08-2007, 02:28
Sasaki has been dead (killed off by the mafia) for a few rounds now.
RoadKill
09-08-2007, 02:35
As X-deathfire says, I think we actually do need to start investigating the people who started the Andres bandwagon.
TevashSzat
09-08-2007, 02:40
I belive that Sasaki is pressuring to many people and I dont really belive the whole "Im detective" ploy
Vote: Sasaki
I believe that is about 17 pages too late
Tiberius of the Drake
09-08-2007, 02:45
*slaps head*
I feel really stupid. This is what I get for not sifting through 25 pages.
But now that ive read some of them, I agree that we should pressure someone, But I dont think it was Brave_sir_Robin. Lemur possibly, His actions have led me to believe it might be him. On a random note I noticed that a lot of people have been poisoned...
at the moment Im going to go with a gut instinct here and
Unvote: Sasaki,Vote:Lemur
woad&fangs
09-08-2007, 02:53
people who voted for Andres(plus me, sorry Andres)
Tran: lurker, I believe he was accused of being mafia earlier in the game but people stopped voting for him because other people were more suspiscios and there was no momentum for his lynch.
Brave_Sir_Robin: Don't know much about him but he appears fairly innocent to me.
Proletariat: Lurker, nothing she has said so far has sparked my scumdar but she might just be a talented mafioso.
Tiberius of the Drake: Appears to be playing like his normal townie self .
discovery1:Lurker, hasn't been real helpful to the town as far as I have seen. His playing style seems very easy to hide behind if he is mafia.
Don Corleone: Like me, he was convinced of Andres guilt for several rounds. Actively seeking the lynching of one single player is another playing style which I believe a smart mafioso could hide behind. Also, I have seen people say that he was paranoid in previose games. Perhaps he was paranoid that Sasaki was the detective. I don't know why else the mafia would lynch Sasaki.
Twilightblade
09-08-2007, 02:58
Well I'm not a great cook but I am decent
Killed by my own food ~:mecry:
Edit:
Twilight, satisfied, opened his mouth wide and took a huge bite of his. most definitely me
Kommodus has been keeping a pretty low profile hasn't he?
TevashSzat
09-08-2007, 03:30
Kommodus has been keeping a pretty low profile hasn't he?
But so have you hasn't you??
Tratorix
09-08-2007, 03:50
Vote: Don Corleone
No doubt about that, read his name...
I have yet to see you give anything even resembling a valid reason for any of your votes. That makes me paranoid.
Vote:Tran
Tran has only posted votes with no reason or a very weak one(see above). I think we should lynch him.
Pannonian
09-08-2007, 04:10
I've got the impression that there is one mafioso left (either Husar or Beefy being the other), and that this one has played in GH games before, since he knows enough to be killing off the less prominent players. Having used this tactic in combination with Andres in the last game, I'd like to see Dutch Guy's opinion on this.
Also, while I'm not going to ask the direct question (wchih IMHO is unfair), I'd like to hear from Crazed Rabbit for a general opinion on proceedings so far. Or as an alternative, has anyone played in any games in which Rabbit was scum?
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Tran
Of the townies on the pointless Andres bandwagon, he's the one who I've had the most suspicion on in the past, due to his flip-flopping in voting and generally scummy behaviour...
I would much like to get a reading from Holmes when Kommo decides to grace us with his presence, though ~:)
EDIT @pann - there does seem to be only one mafia; Mr A.F.I.A, mentioned in the first kill = Mr. Arlan Frederick Ivanovich Ace, mentioned in the second :yes:
seireikhaan
09-08-2007, 04:18
Vote: Kommodus. I haven't seen much of consequence from him. A lot of its been stuff that other people have figured out. He's straddling the line a bit too much for my tastes.
Beefy187
09-08-2007, 05:02
For once I agree with mafias...
Stupid townie...:wall:
How do you know Andres is innocent?
and Xdeath... How much do you wanna bet?:smash:
Crazed Rabbit
09-08-2007, 07:29
Also, while I'm not going to ask the direct question (wchih IMHO is unfair), I'd like to hear from Crazed Rabbit for a general opinion on proceedings so far.
There seems to be a lot of confidence, even overconfidence, from us townies.
A lot of people were sure Beefy was mafia, and then were sure that Andres was mafia. If we lose focus the mafia might slip through.
The lynches have been of people who've been acting weird and odd. Most mafiosos are going to try and avoid suspicion. I think it's possible we got one mafia, but I think there is a chance we can't ignore of both still remaining.
I need to do a re-read on the current suspects before I vote.
CR
A lot of people were sure Beefy was mafia, and then were sure that Andres was mafia. If we lose focus the mafia might slip through.
:yes:
You need to keep all options open.
Byzantine Mercenary
09-08-2007, 10:22
Im not sure that targeting people who bandwagoned Andres is the best plan, if Andres wasn't mafia then the mafia would have probably tried to subtley implicate him. But i doubt they would have joined the bandwagon knowing that when he was gone and the game didn't end they would look suspicious. In that instance i expect they would have been quite anti the idea of bandwagoning, hoping that when they were eventually susspected people would be more hessitant to bandwagon them.
Of course if Andres was mafia, i think it is unlikely that the other mafia would have voted for them. Not only would they be voting off someone on their own team, but as noone would know if he was mafia or not realy it would still look suspicious.
Beefy187
09-08-2007, 10:34
talk it up towns:smash:
due to his flip-flopping in voting and generally scummy behaviour...
Flip-flopping? Scummy behaviour? Anyway, there are just so many pages to read.
My vote stick to Don Corleone
Hmmm, sapi's reasoning for voting Tran seems a bit vague. It's not the first time in this game that he has been vague in his reasoning.
Maybe you living guys should pay some attention to sapi...
Sasaki, could you please explain why we should pressure Brave Sir Robin and Lemur?
Ah, you're back, where were you?
Vote: W&F
Dutch_guy
09-08-2007, 11:33
I've got the impression that there is one mafioso left (either Husar or Beefy being the other), and that this one has played in GH games before, since he knows enough to be killing off the less prominent players. Having used this tactic in combination with Andres in the last game, I'd like to see Dutch Guy's opinion on this.
Well, I don't know how this would help - as Andres is dead already - but in the game we were paired together he would post more, and attack an individual poster. Long rather drawn out posts against a player who had either been in the spotlights a bit too long, or who lurked in such a fashion as to be able to survive until the very last round.
Ironically, it was Andres initial idea to kill off Sigurd early (I can't remember if it was round one or two) and that's exactly what has happened this game. But I really can't see him murder Sasaki that early in the game, and the Pevergreen kill is also weird - as he's normally an active player. The latter, Pevergreen's kill, may point out that the mafioso is one of his friends: Beefy or Twilightblade. Meaning we're down one mafioso.
The kills up until now are well chosen, the mafia is killing off the semi active players, but are keeping their hands off of those in chance of getting the WoG . It's what Andres and myself did, and eventually it helped us greatly when about 6 players were WoGed. And that wasn't just because they were inactive, it was because we let them live.
So, with the above said, I'm thinking Don Corleone (experience with poison murders), Kommodus (perhaps somewhat hessistant in providing statistical analysis), Crazed Rabbit (because of his many games played) and Prole ( a bit less active than usual ?) are the ones to watch for now.
:balloon2:
Beefy187
09-08-2007, 12:06
I wasnt gonna say anymore things but.. I swear ill stop spamming on this game. This is my final post in this thread until the finale
Like i said, none of the members in our mafia crew is dumb/cunning enough to go after each other in earlier rounds. Its most likely that weve been framed for the kill. If thats the intention of the mafia they succeeded (all of us have been killed... thats like 4 decent townies and 1 annoying old clown down)
Its nice to see towns in good hands. You have lots of players who can analyse the situation and find the mafias. :beam: I can rest in peace now :egypt:
woad&fangs
09-08-2007, 13:50
Ah, you're back, where were you?
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As I have stated before, school just started for me so I won't be quite as active anymore. Using my observations I stated in my previous post(located below) my main suspects are Tran and Don Corleone. For now I will Vote: Don Corleone
people who voted for Andres(plus me, sorry Andres)
Tran: lurker, I believe he was accused of being mafia earlier in the game but people stopped voting for him because other people were more suspiscios and there was no momentum for his lynch.
Brave_Sir_Robin: Don't know much about him but he appears fairly innocent to me.
Proletariat: Lurker, nothing she has said so far has sparked my scumdar but she might just be a talented mafioso.
Tiberius of the Drake: Appears to be playing like his normal townie self .
discovery1:Lurker, hasn't been real helpful to the town as far as I have seen. His playing style seems very easy to hide behind if he is mafia.
Don Corleone: Like me, he was convinced of Andres guilt for several rounds. Actively seeking the lynching of one single player is another playing style which I believe a smart mafioso could hide behind. Also, I have seen people say that he was paranoid in previose games. Perhaps he was paranoid that Sasaki was the detective. I don't know why else the mafia would lynch Sasaki.
Don Corleone
09-08-2007, 16:10
Well, I'm not going to attempt to defend myself. Neither Tran nor Woad&Fangs offered reasoning for voting for me.
Edit: Sorry, missed W&F's reasoning on me. Funny, I was at the bottom of his list... Anyway, were I mafia, and I wanted to silence Sasaki, wouldn't I have done it WHEN he accused me, not AFTER he came out and told everyone he was faking? Aside from which, anybody who's played mafia even once knows that killing Sasaki doesn't silence him. If you're mafia and Sasaki is on your tail, discrediting him is the best play. Yet, I saved him from a lynch and defended his reasoning for that reveal on me. Odd play for a mafia that's running scared from him.
I'm not sure what DutchGuy meant when he said I had experience with poisoning. I've really only been mafia once (the time with Sasaki's experiment with putting moles in each other's camp doesn't count as the mole in our team broke the rules on the first turn, though bonus points to Sasaki for trying to do a version of "The Departed". ). My only real mafia stint was in the Senatorial conspiracy. Yes, I was using poison, but I was using poison needles and poison daggers, not ingested poison.
Not to mention, give me a little bit of credit. I'd never use the same method over and over, especially from another game.
I don't know who to vote for. I think CR is right, that by now, the mafia should have settled into their role. They're not going to act strangely, and they're not going to lurk. It's somebody who's been posting occassionally, has made most votes, hasn't rocked the boat and has played according to character, but hasn't done much in the way of actually helping the town. That leads me to one person.
Vote: Kommodus
Nothing personal, just would like to know why it's taking you so long to break Holmes out and publish a few reports. You said you were going to 3 or 4 days ago. Holmes is a valuable tool for the town, and you control it. I wonder if you're not jury-rigging it to give false positives and that's why its taking you so long.
Dutch_guy
09-08-2007, 16:21
Not to mention, give me a little bit of credit. I'd never use the same method over and over, especially from another game.
Yes, poison needles and daggers, it means you've done it before, which was what I was getting at. And don't worry, I considered the fact it would be incredibly stupid to use the same MO again in this game. :beam:
:balloon2:
Don Corleone
09-08-2007, 16:41
Yes, poison needles and daggers, it means you've done it before, which was what I was getting at. And don't worry, I considered the fact it would be incredibly stupid to use the same MO again in this game. :beam:
:balloon2:
Well, place a vote for me then, if you really think I'm guilty. But 2 things: 1) following your reasoning, wouldn't the victims be finding little small pins in their chairs or being brushed up against in crowds if I was using my old style? AND 2) I wouldn't use one method when it's not required. That's a hell of a handicap to throw on the mafia, each one having to use the same MO throughout the game.
Don Corleone
09-08-2007, 16:47
Well, Mrs. Corleone is yelling at me to get cracking on my Honey-Do list, so I'm out for the next few hours. If you guys really don't know who to vote for, go ahead and lynch me. Andres created a lot of confusion and stirred up a lot of mud by pointing the finger repeatedly at me, and right now, the town needs clarity. But know this... if you vote for me this round, fine. But make a case. The town can afford about 2, maybe 3 more wrong lynches. But right now, all of our lynches have to help the town focus. We need to get rid of any halfway suspects. I admit that I'm one, regardless of how weak the evidence is. I'm not going to go so far as to vote for myself, because I know myself to be innocent.
BUT!!! No more throwing half-thought out innuendo out there. What the town can no longer afford is being spun in circles. If you have a case against somebody, make it. But this :daisy: of "I have a bad feeling" or "Well, Sasaki made a reveal in the first round"... such obviously unhelpful statements have to end. From now on, anybody making such unhelpful statements is going to get my attention very quickly. They deserve to be lynched, because they're diverting the town, either through foolishness, which even innocently is hurting the town, or deliberate plan... keeping the town guessing is what the mafia wants. I've warned you all.. Anybody that starts throwing random theories out there that they can't defend is going to look very, very, very suspicious. :whip:
Following my original logic, I'm not ready to change my vote. Kommodus is not helping the town by witholding Holmes.
Don Corleone
09-08-2007, 16:55
One last word of advice to everyone...
Yes, this is a very long, very prolfiic mafia game. And yes, there's days worth of reading to get caught up. You're not going to be able to read everyone's post over and over. Just won't happen. But ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T KNOW!!! Don't assume, based on something you see once, referring to page 3, that it really happened. The only stupid question is the one that didn't get asked. So, if you're just waking up to the game and daunted by 20+ pages of dialogue, just ask. Actually, that'll be very helpful as well. What's not helpful?
-Not talking.
-Making "meatball" votes (there's several going on right now).
-Assuming that since you can't possibly read all the pages, you'll just have to guess. No you don't. You can't trust any one of us, buit you can trust the group working as a whole. Don't use PMs, you might ask the mafia. Ask the group.
Pannonian
09-08-2007, 17:14
A fairly pathetic turnout for this round.
Don - 2 (Tran, W&F)
Ichigo - 2 (Lemur, Tiberius)
Lemur - 1 (Ichigo)
Tran - 2 (Sir Robin, sapi)
Rabbit - 1 (Pann)
Kommodus - 2 (GK, Don)
W&F - 1 (Stig)
Abstain - 4 (Roadkill, Xiahou, Rabbit, Dutch Guy)
Not voted - 7 (Shlin, Prole, Kommodus, Disco, CountArach, Pra, Kage)
I have to reinforce my vote for Crazed Rabbit with the observation that he's been a remarkably economical player this game. In a busy game, he's made 9 posts so far. 1 of them was the signing up post, 4 (1 in every round) were votes, and 1 saying he'll put things off till he rereads things again. That last one, which counts as an abstain, was made in a round where there's been little activity.
So I would pose the possibility that Rabbit is active enough to avoid any chance of WoG, inoffensive enough to avoid drawing attention, but, in the quiet round where making a point might draw attention, he excuses himself.
RoadKill
09-08-2007, 17:28
Well pannion arn't you being inquistive here? I'm pretty sure Crazed Rabbit has always been like that, but I myself don't know him too well. but I'm sure hes innocent, as the mafia usually participate a lot more in discussion.
Tiberius of the Drake
09-08-2007, 18:08
I voted for Lemur not Ichigo....
Tally:
Don-2
Lemur-2
tran-2
Kommodus-2
Ichigo-1
rabbit-1
W&F-1
Crazed Rabbit
09-08-2007, 18:18
Ha, if you want to see lurking, go check out Mafia VI. There I barely avoided WoG and helped kill the mafia at the very last possible second.
I've never been a big talker, I'm playing and running ( :dizzy2: ) RoC2, and I'm an engineering student. :shrug:
Anyways, Don Corleone is suspicious.
I remembered that you went from saying Andres was 'guilty as sin (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1664166&postcount=713)' to saying he wasn't a mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1664252&postcount=722) in one hour.
However, his last few posts strike me as the voice of an innocent man. I know, that can be deceiving, but in M3 it prevented me from lynching an innocent Lemur.
So, that leaves the others. Ichigo and Lemur both seem to be acting normal, to me. Tran is suspicious somewhat, but so is Kommodus. It seems he's usually more active, and what of Holmes? When he was mafia before he was reluctant to give out any results from Holmes.
vote: Kommodus
Crazed Rabbit
Dutch_guy
09-08-2007, 18:43
Well, place a vote for me then, if you really think I'm guilty. But 2 things: 1) following your reasoning, wouldn't the victims be finding little small pins in their chairs or being brushed up against in crowds if I was using my old style? AND 2) I wouldn't use one method when it's not required. That's a hell of a handicap to throw on the mafia, each one having to use the same MO throughout the game.
I merely stated it would fit the profile you had in the other game. I don't think you'd be stupid enough to use the same method over again, another thing which I was trying to make clear in my post. And what's that about a handicap ? This is a vanilla game, no handicaps for the mafia, I don't quite understand where that comment came from.
Anyway, if going by the tally Tiberius posted, and adding Crazed vote for Kommodus:
Tally:
Don-2
Lemur-2
tran-2
Kommodus-3
Ichigo-1
rabbit-1
W&F-1
I'm going to tie the vote between Don and Kommodus. I'd like to give Kommo a chance to defend himself, and perhaps share some of his analysis with us.:
Vote: Don.
Latest Tally:
Don-3
Lemur-2
tran-2
Kommodus-3
Ichigo-1
rabbit-1
W&F-1
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-08-2007, 19:40
I really don't think either of them are guilty. Lynch lemur over them please. He comes in each round with some clearly fabricated reason for voting someone and then disappears.
Kommodus
09-08-2007, 19:46
Hey guys. Getting a little impatient, are we? ~;)
Right now there are too many players alive to comment on all of them, so I'll just publish my short list of top suspects. For each, I'll comment briefly on their statistics (which led to a review of their posts), and my thoughts after said review.
Suspect: CountArach
Statistics: He's played quite a few games on this forum and been mafia several times, so there's a lot of data. Generally his posts are a bit longer and more frequent when he's guilty; his interest level is apparently not quite as high when playing town. In this game so far, his statistics are closer to that "guilty" baseline; however, it's not by much.
Review: He's cast some rather poor bandwagon votes, notably against me in round 2 (due to the second incarnation of Sasaki's joke), Beefy, and Andres (none with much reasoning). He may be deliberately being evasive. I'd like an explanation for this.
Suspect: Xiahou
Statistics: Also a regular at the Org, he tends to post a bit less frequently as mafia, apparently playing a more thoughtful, cautious game. In this game I observe a slight statistical drop in activity - just enough to motivate me to review his posts, though hardly conclusive.
Review: There are several instances in which his logic has been, IMO, questionable. For example, we have this as an argument against Sasaki:
Post 225 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1655731&postcount=225) makes me feel pretty comfortable with sticking with my Sasaki vote. Most of his re-votes strike me as a possible attempt to find someone- anyone who can accumulate more votes than himself.
That's not how I would have interpreted Sasaki's behavior; and in any case, we now know he's innocent. And this is his argument against Beefy:
Sounds like a pretty good case against Beefy. His knowledge seems a bit too intimate.
I disagreed with that argument because, well, I'd come to essentially the same conclusions as Beefy for the same reasons, as anyone might have. It sounds a bit like Xiahou is trying to sound reasonable without actually being so. Finally, there was his bandwagon vote against Andres - he claimed Andres had seemed scummy to him earlier, but he'd never said so.
Suspect: shlin28
Statistics: Though he hasn't played many games on the Org yet, his statistics are dramatically different than before. His overall activity level, both frequency and length, are down considerably. I'd like an explanation from him concerning his relative lack of activity - perhaps he has a valid reason.
Review: He's continually complained about having too much to read and not being able to keep up.
Gah, go away for 20 hours and look at the thread now... meh, vote: Sasaki
If hes mafia, good, if not, then he's lying, might as well lynch him.
As I said, stupid night phase always ends when I'm sleeping, so when I check this thread in the morning, it has four or more pages, which is a pain to go through.
Gone for one day, and look what happens... four more pages for me to vaguely read!
Something tells me he could easily be playing us. He might be sincere, but then again... one thing do when reviewing someone's posts is ask myself: is this person using a strategy? It could be any strategy, really - but the point is, mafiosi tend to come up with a plan to win the game, then stick with that plan. Shlin28 may be doing that here.
Suspect: Pannonian
Statistics: Well, it's no secret that his activity level is down considerably. This has already been adressed, and Pannonian has claimed activity in other games as well as deliberate changes in behavior, all of which are valid excuses. However, the change is enough to at least warrant a review.
Review: Everything he's said points to him being a helpful townsperson. Most of his posts are thoughtful and well-reasoned, and furthermore, I agree with his logic most of the time (except for his vote against Beefy). However, I harbor some suspicion that he is using this as a strategy, especially when combined with his refusal to defend himself as vigorously as he has in the past. He's not a particularly strong suspect on my list, but he's on it.
Suspect: Stig
Statistics: Another experienced Org mafia player, Stig is one of those players who shows a slightly higher level of interest in a game when he's mafia. Most of his metrics look normal here, except for one: posting interval, which is narrower and much closer to what it's been when he's guilty. This is enough to warrant a review.
Review: Like Pannonian, he appears to be trying very hard to be a helpful townie. Most of what he's said looks quite legit, but one or two things raised eyebrows for me. For example, earlier he spoke to Andres thus:
And why pressure the newcomers? Let them join without pressure, let them have some fun, no need to scare them away.
That puzzles me a bit. Pressure on newcomers is not a bad thing, unless it is malicious - it's part of the game and is quite a valid tactic; there's no reason it needs to detract from the fun. Was Stig worried because his partner in crime was a newcomer and might be uncovered?
Also, he couldn't quite seem to make his mind up about whether or not he thinks Andres is guilty. After he initially voted for Andres (presumably due to tradition or something) he says these things:
Andres is innocent imo.
I would not even think of defending Andres, unless he would be my partner in crime.
And you're right on Andres. He isn't scummy, the people who vote for him are jealous.
Mafia = Andres and Beefy?
I had Andres on probably mafia, and nothing for Pann as he isn't active, which is suspicious
What I'd like to know is, when did it suddenly become convenient to have suspicions of Andres? :inquisitive:
Suspect: Kommodus
Statistics: His posting frequency is down somewhat, but his post length is up. This is sometimes an indication of someone playing a more cautious, thoughtful game. He's tried to explain this by pointing to relative busyness in life and work, but of course, this can't be verified.
Review: It's suspicious that he's waited this long to come up with results from Holmes, and apparently only when he's threatened with lynching. He normally waits till about mid-game to do any sort of in-depth review, but I would've expected at least something preliminary before this point.
And now for my vote:
Vote: Xiahou
:bow:
woad&fangs
09-08-2007, 19:55
unvote: Don, Vote: Lemur Holmes may be a powerful tool but Sasaki has been proven innocent so his opionion counts more than that of Kommodus at the moment. FoS: Kommodus How did Holmes not point to me as a possible suspect? I thought my posting pattern was way off for this game.
GeneralHankerchief
09-08-2007, 19:59
Suspect: Kommodus
Statistics: His posting frequency is down somewhat, but his post length is up. This is sometimes an indication of someone playing a more cautious, thoughtful game. He's tried to explain this by pointing to relative busyness in life and work, but of course, this can't be verified.
Review: It's suspicious that he's waited this long to come up with results from Holmes, and apparently only when he's threatened with lynching. He normally waits till about mid-game to do any sort of in-depth review, but I would've expected at least something preliminary before this point.
It sounds like Holmes is gaining a personality of its own. :laugh4:
Kommodus
09-08-2007, 20:34
unvote: Don, Vote: Lemur Holmes may be a powerful tool but Sasaki has been proven innocent so his opionion counts more than that of Kommodus at the moment. FoS: Kommodus How did Holmes not point to me as a possible suspect? I thought my posting pattern was way off for this game.
Well, you didn't quite make the list, but you were close! :laugh4: You haven't played very many games here, and your statistics are quite erratic. The only thing that's really a lot different in this game is your posting frequency, which is quite a bit higher. But this game in general has a lot more activity than your other games, so...
Don't worry buddy, I'm watching you. ~;)
Not even an honorable mention...:2thumbsup:
CountArach
09-08-2007, 22:12
He may be deliberately being evasive. I'd like an explanation for this.
Oh you would think that... :wink:
But seriously, ask me anything you want.
Don Corleone
09-08-2007, 22:31
NM.
Kommodus
09-08-2007, 22:44
But seriously, ask me anything you want.
Alright.
1. Why did you take Sasaki seriously in round 2 when he said "would you believe me if I said I got a guilty result on Kommodus?" He had already made the same joke in round 1, and made it clear to anyone who didn't catch on that it was a joke.
2. Please explain this logic, which doesn't make sense to me:
Townies should be willing to die at the lynching. Rather than attacking the other guy, they should try to defend themsleves. This Beefy did not do.
Vote: Beffy
In my experience, mafiosi, being more inclined to cling to life, try to defend themselves - sometimes more vigorously then others. Townspeople are actually less likely to offer a substantial defense; they'll just keep playing the game, knowing that the goal is victory for the town, not survival. Of course, mafiosi actually do both - anything to survive.
3. Please explain this vote, submitted with no reason at all:
Vote: Andres
Like your vote for Beefy, it appears to be a rather poor bandwagon vote. I indicated I would be watching the people who jumped on what I thought was a rather silly bandwagon. What's your excuse?
You see, when I say you appear evasive, I'm suggesting you've avoided posting more information than is absolutely necessary, giving the town as little data as possible to analyze. This is a classic mafia tactic, and I've caught many mafia this way.
4. What's your explanation for why you're still alive, when many low-level posters have been killed already?
Everyone starting to believe Lemur is guilty eh? Shoulda lynched him last round... (cos I voted for him :yes:)
Vote: Lemur
Nice review of me Kommo, however you can't really compare my stats from games. Normally I have no role, I'm always a normal townie. I've only been mafia once really, in the Midgard Saga ... well and this game maybe.
CountArach
09-08-2007, 23:35
1. Why did you take Sasaki seriously in round 2 when he said "would you believe me if I said I got a guilty result on Kommodus?" He had already made the same joke in round 1, and made it clear to anyone who didn't catch on that it was a joke.
I had not read the earlier pages. I was in a bit fo arush at the time.
2. Please explain this logic, which doesn't make sense to me:
Beefy was deflecting attention away from himself, so was casting suspicions on someone else, in an effort to get them,rather than himself, lynched. I agree that scum defend themselves more vigorously, but they also deflect attention.
Like your vote for Beefy, it appears to be a rather poor bandwagon vote. I indicated I would be watching the people who jumped on what I thought was a rather silly bandwagon. What's your excuse?
I jumped on a silly bandwagon.
You see, when I say you appear evasive, I'm suggesting you've avoided posting more information than is absolutely necessary, giving the town as little data as possible to analyze. This is a classic mafia tactic, and I've caught many mafia this way.
I start my final exams for school in just over a month. Mafia is not my first priority at this point in time.
4. What's your explanation for why you're still alive, when many low-level posters have been killed already?
I can offer no explanation.
I've got to admit, Sasaki is innocent and he seems pretty sure on Lemur. His point is a valid one, Lemur comes in, lobs a comment or two, then nothing for a day or two.[/B]
I could tie things up by voting for you Don, but I'm not going to bother, 'cause I believe you to be innocent. Ichigo is extremely suspicious, but he's going to skate by as usual. Vote unchanged.
Don Corleone
09-09-2007, 01:13
NM.
GeneralHankerchief
09-09-2007, 02:22
Voting over.
Stand by for the execution.
Lemur's response in #884 is exactly how you'd expect an innocent townie to respond. Unfortunately, seeming "too" innocent can also come off as scummy instead- and maybe he is.
Kommodus finally chimed in with an analytical post... but something still rings a bit hollow with it for me.
Then there's Don.... He really seems to be trying to take charge, warning the townies to give reasons and talk more, challenging his accusers, ect ect. All well and good, but once again, this behavior would be excellent cover for a mafioso.
Tough call... :holmes:
GeneralHankerchief
09-09-2007, 03:04
Sunset was beginning to become a familiar time of day, a dreaded one, for the villagers of the Frontroom. For the past four days, they had watched with glee as the person that they were sure killed off their fellow citizens got put to death, knowing for sure that this would be the last of it, that tomorrow would be peaceful.
It never was.
However, the day was not totally gloomy. As a result of the previous day's electric chair mishap, Chief of Police Beirut had to get a new execution device. He revealed it to the crowd first, in hopes of keeping morale up.
"Gentlemen," he began, "As you all know, yesterday's slight, minor accident (which caused the deaths of three people) with the electric chair has caused me to get a new execution device. After all, we can't lynch anybody without a good lyncher, right?"
"Right," the crowd mumbled. They were past the point of morbid, dark humor.
"Anyway, the new lyncher. I proudly present to you what the mafia have coming to them..." - he pulled a rope that went somewhere - "SHARKS WITH FRICKIN' LAZERS!"
The crowd roared in approval. Frickin' sharks with frickin' lazer beams on their frickin' heads! This was truly a treat indeed. Their despair quickly disappeared and they began stomping their feet and clapping and cheering and generally started behaving like the ancient Romans did when someone was about to be fed to the lions.
"And now..." Beirut's voice took on the tone of a game show announcer, "The person sentenced to be killed by the sharks... Lemur!" Everyone in the crowd cheered. Everyone except for Lemur, obviously. "Lemur," he continued, "Have you any final words before your sentence is carried out?"
Lemur shook his head, more annoyed than anything else.
"Very well," said Beirut, and he kicked Lemur into the pool with the sharks with frickin' lazers. The crowd "ooh"ed and "ahh"ed at the spectacle of it all. After it was all over the Chief of Police addressed the crowd again.
"Gentlemen," he said, "As much fun as the sharks with the frickin' lazers are I would prefer that we not go through this again tomorrow. Go home."
Voting tally for Round 5:
Lemur: 5 (woad&fangs, Ichigo, shlin28, Tiberius of the Drake, Don Corleone) :skull:
Don Corleone: 2 (Tran, Dutch_guy)
Kommodus: 2 (greaterkhaan, Crazed Rabbit)
Tran: 2 (Brave_Sir_Robin, sapi)
woad&fangs: 1 (Stig)
Xiahou: 1 (Kommodus)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Pannonian)
Ichigo: 1 (Lemur)
Abstained: 3 (RoadKill, CountArach, Xiahou)
Didn't vote: 4 (Proletariat, discovery1, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien, Kagemusha)
~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (21)
woad&fangs
greaterkhaan
Tran
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Dutch_guy
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Don Corleone
Xiahou
Kagemusha
Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Sasaki Kojiro
09-09-2007, 03:13
GH hinted that Beefy was innocent.
GeneralHankerchief
09-09-2007, 03:16
What, you mean in the other thread?
You think I'd be that naive enough to include this game in my examples? :wink:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-09-2007, 03:21
Yes ~D
Sasaki Kojiro
09-09-2007, 03:23
Barring any really good evidence, I think it's a good idea to assume everyone who has been lynched so far is town. It's dangerous to think that there is only one left when their might be two, and scum love to vote based on someones interactions with lynched supposed scum.
Now that I'm dead, and, for what it's worth, a townie, perhaps Sasaki would care to explain why he was so keen to see me lynched?
Now that I'm dead, and, for what it's worth, a townie, perhaps Sasaki would care to explain why he was so keen to see me lynched?
:yes:
Don Corleone
09-09-2007, 03:38
NM.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-09-2007, 03:45
DonC, you know perfectly well I had reasons for pushing the lemur lynch. I stated them in the thread several times (this is why I didn't feel the need to answer lemur) and pm'd them to you.
I apologize if I don't have the time to actively seek out scum (not the dead players responsability) but I will be right there when something significant shows up.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-09-2007, 03:48
I think Lemur was a good lynch.
The town can be driven to anything, Sasaki.
Consider where you're pushing them before getting out the whips...
Don Corleone
09-09-2007, 03:57
NM.
Two townies down, 17 to go. I hope you're happy, Sasaki :wall:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-09-2007, 04:06
Don't pin this on me, sapi.
Probably innocent is still possible scum. I've said before that it's best to assume those lynched are innocent. You said that I seemed pretty sure we'd gotten one mafia, and I'm not. I don't deliberately lynch people I think are townies when I'm a townie. I didn't make you vote for Lemur, and when I play to get reactions it's not to stroke my ego, it's because reactions help us find scum.
No, I didn't put any words into your mouth :no:
Nor did you make me vote for Lemur, because I tend not to vote for people who are most likely innocent ~;)
I'll have to make an exception in your case in the future, though :grin2:
Sasaki Kojiro
09-09-2007, 04:11
2nd part was directed at Don.
And your 3rd sentence is exactly what I'm being accused of...
2nd part was directed at Don.
And your 3rd sentence is exactly what I'm being accused of...
What, making a joke?
No, you're being accused of much more than that :no:
GeneralHankerchief
09-09-2007, 05:15
Jesus Christ, I come back to this?!
I want all parties involved in this dispute to PM me with what happened. Now.
Kommodus
09-09-2007, 05:40
Sheesh guys, cool it will ya? It's a game, remember? :helloo:
In mafia, innocent people get lynched all the time for completely stupid reasons. It's happened to me multiple times, and it's not that big of a deal. Just let it go, and if someone's reasoning doesn't appeal to you, pay it no mind.
On a side note, I notice that Xiahou disagrees with my analysis. Hm, three guesses as to why that is? :laugh4: I'd like to see him respond to the points I made about him, though.
Sheesh guys, cool it will ya? It's a game, remember? :helloo:
In mafia, innocent people get lynched all the time for completely stupid reasons. It's happened to me multiple times, and it's not that big of a deal. Just let it go, and if someone's reasoning doesn't appeal to you, pay it no mind.
On a side note, I notice that Xiahou disagrees with my analysis. Hm, three guesses as to why that is? :laugh4: I'd like to see him respond to the points I made about him, though.
C'est la vie; life goes on :grin2:
I'm interested to note, by the way, that you missed Ichigo in your analysis, considering that many people seem to have mentioned his name. I don't have enough of a history with him to know for sure; so is he playing as usual?
C'est la vie; life goes on :grin2:
I'm interested to note, by the way, that you missed Ichigo in your analysis, considering that many people seem to have mentioned his name. I don't have enough of a history with him to know for sure; so is he playing as usual?
Cause I'm innocent and rather drunk ~:cheers:.
In mafia, innocent people get lynched all the time for completely stupid reasons. It's happened to me multiple times, and it's not that big of a deal. Just let it go, and if someone's reasoning doesn't appeal to you, pay it no mind.
Hey guys remember that time I was lynched for voting No lynch instead of Abstain. Good times.
Spellcheck FTW!!
Beefy187
09-09-2007, 09:36
I apologize for being too active and getting my self lynched because of that:thumbsdown:
:laugh4:
But yea.. ill never be that active again. I promiss:yes:
CountArach
09-09-2007, 11:49
Apology accepted
Sheesh guys, cool it will ya? It's a game, remember? :helloo:
:2thumbsup:
Hey, I was lynched for some stupid reasons as well but I can live with it. It even gives me some good arguments when the town finally loses.:laugh4:
I think you should just keep playing Don and Lemur, your participation is very appreciated.:flowers:
And by the way, Sasaki mods here and not in the Backroom but that doesn't make him a more believable mafia player in any way and as long as we all behave his mod status shouldn't really matter.
I PMed the same to Lemur earlier, but ~:(
In mafia, innocent people get lynched all the time for completely stupid reasons. It's happened to me multiple times, and it's not that big of a deal. Just let it go, and if someone's reasoning doesn't appeal to you, pay it no mind.
Innocent people even get lynched for no reasons... ~:angry:
But it's just a game and it's fun :shrug:
And allthough I got lynched by my teammates, I can still win this game by analysing and quoting posts from suspicious players. Getting lynched or killed is not = game over.
/moderator mode/ Hosting a game this size = a huge amount of work. Out of respect for the host: no more personal attacks or vendetta's please. And certainly not in public...
Sportsmanship expresses an aspiration or ethos that the activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors.
Yes, I am upset about this little episode :brood:
/moderator mode/
Pannonian
09-09-2007, 15:56
Innocent people even get lynched for no reasons... ~:angry:
But it's just a game and it's fun :shrug:
And allthough I got lynched by my teammates, I can still win this game by analysing and quoting posts from suspicious players. Getting lynched or killed is not = game over.
/moderator mode/ Hosting a game this size = a huge amount of work. Out of respect for the host: no more personal attacks or vendetta's please. And certainly not in public...
That's why I've decided not to have strong reactions to accusations as I've done in the past. I've looked at some of my past games, and I'm not too proud of some of my reactions. In addition to the possibiilty of paving a more uniform playing style whether I'm town or scum, a more relaxed approach has the more important goal of helping other players to enjoy the game more. Having played the role of knowledgable veteran in a couple of TWC games (especially Dwarven Fortress), I've become more interested in this meta-goal than just helping my side win.
GeneralHankerchief
09-09-2007, 20:25
Lynch is in its usual form.
See Post #848 or check the summary thread.
GeneralHankerchief
09-10-2007, 02:23
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Nobody got up early to enjoy the morning anymore. They had spent most of the night buffing up their home security systems and were tired from doing so. They slept in, confident that no mafioso would be able to breach their front doors by force.
One mafioso, however, had a strategy to combat this.
*knock knock*
After about a minute's pause, the door opened and Mr. A.F.I.A. found himself staring at the ugly, sleep-worn face of Dutch_guy. Normally he would have been turned off from such a disgusting sight but this time was different. This time he grinned.
"What do you want?" Dutch asked, yawning.
The mafioso didn't even bother wasting words on a response, instead whipping out a shotgun and blasting Dutch right back through the doorway.
"Well, that's one way to get past these home security systems," he said, smiling.
He ran into the house, not particularly caring about how much noise he made. After all, he had been let in. He started going through every cabinet he could find, rummaging through it, crashing items that he wasn't looking for on the ground. Speed was of the essence here, after all.
His seach began to get even more frantic after three cabinets' worth of items yielded nothing. Deciding to try his luck somewhere else, Mr. A.F.I.A. ran down the hallway to the location of a closet. He began, as usual, loudly rummaging through this one, but paused halfway through.
Eureka!
He pocketed a small vial filled with some crushed dry herbs and ran out of the house, past the wreckage of the cabinets and the corpse of Dutch_guy, barely evading the sirens of an incoming cop car that the home security system had tipped off, saying that there was probably an intruder.
The Frontroom graveyard had undergone quite an expansion in the past week. The funerals of those killed by the mafia (the lynched had no graves, at least not until they had their names cleared) had been quick and cheap, but all the departed did have a place to rest eternally.
greaterkhaan was out in the graveyard today, clearing his head and reflecting. Perhaps he would get some kind of sign from the dead, here on this hallowed ground, on how to proceed and how to fight off the mafia and defeat them forever.
He knelt at Sigurd Fafnesbane's grave and mourned. His friend was a great warrior; surely if it came down to a final battle this Norse hero and his trusty long-axe would would see justice done. But he was dead, lured into a trap and speared. The world was unfair.
"Don't worry, you'll be dining with him in Valhalla soon enough."
Khaan felt a hand on his shoulder and whirled around to defend himself. It was too late, however, as the mafioso fired one blast of his shotgun right into khaan's chest. He was blown back into an empty grave, seriously wounded but not quite dead. He desperately tried to move, to climb out, but he was amazingly hurt and it was too deep.
Mr. Arlan Frederick Ivanovich Ace saw this and laughed.
"Yeah, you try and climb out," he said, laughing, as he grabbed a shovel and calmly started piling dirt into the grave. Eventually khaan's efforts to escape turned into simple screams of pain, which turned into gradually more muffled screams as more dirt was piled onto him.
Before he departed the graveyeard, the mafioso, still looking pale, moved over to Sasaki Kojiro's grave and deliberately fired eleven more rounds into the earth where he laid.
"Hey, that's a good idea."
The mafioso now was the one who whirled around, nearly puking from the sudden nausea that accompanied this movement. He came face to face with Don Corleone, who held a gun and smiled calmly.
"Oh, don't worry, I won't report you or try to fight you. I don't care anymore."
Mr. Arlan Frederick Ivanovich Ace could only stare in amazement as the Don explained himself. "I just want to get my final shot in at Sasaki." He levelled his gun, aimed it at the spot where the mafioso had just fired eleven shots, and fired five shots of his own. He put the sixth shot in his own mouth.
"Thanks, I guess," the mafioso said, somewhat in shock. He finally left the graveyard much in that manner.
Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "Today it is my unfortunate duty to announce three deaths. In addition to the usual two by the mafia, it appears that Don Corleone also committed suicide. Therefore it is necessary that the sharks with frickin' lazers be used once again.
The crowd cheered, but it was halfhearted and ended rather abruptly.
"Don't get too excited," Beirut said, "It might be you that goes into the tank. Get voting."
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (18)
woad&fangs
Tran
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Xiahou
Kagemusha
Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
seireikhaan
09-10-2007, 05:30
Aww, not cool.:thumbsdown: Killing a man on the grounds of the deceased? That was low, even for a mafioso.:evil:
Twilightblade
09-10-2007, 06:53
Aye! I hope that poison BURNS
Vote: W&Fs
Because I still think he's mafia, he tried to lurk a view rounds apparently
Someone misses me?
I have been busy comforting the paranoid wrecks that keep entering the realm of the dead.
I really don’t like the uncertainty about the origin of the kill descriptions. I was mentioned and again I will assume it is all GH with little Mafia input.
Personally I think the lynching so far has been good.
I still think Pannonian needs to be lynched. His new game style freaks me out.
Another player that should be questioned is W&F.
I noticed a post earlier in the game where you claimed you “knew” Sasaki was innocent.
What is your explanation?
And Ichigo did not answer my question… votes:Ichigo should be coming your way too.
Kagemusha
09-10-2007, 10:07
Vote Brave_Sir_Robin. Why are you not wogged?:inquisitive:
Kommodus
09-10-2007, 14:08
I had not read the earlier pages. I was in a bit fo arush at the time.
Beefy was deflecting attention away from himself, so was casting suspicions on someone else, in an effort to get them,rather than himself, lynched. I agree that scum defend themselves more vigorously, but they also deflect attention.
I jumped on a silly bandwagon.
I start my final exams for school in just over a month. Mafia is not my first priority at this point in time.
I can offer no explanation.
Thanks, CA. You've answered by concerns adequately... for now. :bow:
Vote: Xiahou
This is for the same reasons I voted for him last round (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1666964&postcount=833). He still hasn't responded.
Hmmm... It seems like I'm out of suspects :bigcry:
With the exception of sapi, Pannonian and Ichigo...
Proletariat
09-10-2007, 15:34
This sucks, I've got nothing. I was sure the game would end with Andres' lynch (sorry, Andres :P) but here we are. The mafia is making smart kills, even the Sasaki kill was good, as stupid as it looked at first.
Our skilled mafia hunters (Kommo, Sigurd, Pann, etc) have absolutely nothing so far and we're at mid-game area. I think the town will win, but it won't be until the last few rounds when the winnowing of the lurkers is over. But why are our experienced sleuths and mafia hunters failing us? Because these clever bastards are our mafia. We have nothing concrete to go on, except we know the mafia are playing really well. Players who play really well are usually great players, so I'm gonna start voting based on who I know that plays this game well. If we axe some innocent townies, no loss. We're dropping like flies anyway, and if you're innocent and get the noose, please stick around and help us get these guys. This is too good of a game to let it languish.
Vote: Xiahou
FoS: Kommo
Edit: And wtf's up with all these lurkers? No WoGing in this game, GH?
On a side note, I notice that Xiahou disagrees with my analysis. Hm, three guesses as to why that is? :laugh4: I'd like to see him respond to the points I made about him, though.
No, I said it rings hollow. I typically expect much more substantive analysis from you. In this case, it seems you were happy remaining lowkey until townies started pressuring you for anaylsis at which time you produced your report, naming yourself a suspect of holmes. An attempt to lend it credibility, perhaps? :stare:
I'm interested to note, by the way, that you missed Ichigo in your analysis, considering that many people seem to have mentioned his name. I don't have enough of a history with him to know for sure; so is he playing as usual?:yes:
I wasn't confident enough to lodge a vote against him last round with the votes being as close as they were- I wanted more discussion first. Surely though, the scant analysis he provided should not be enough to get him off the hook. When he was scummy previously he would employ a similar tactic.
In this case, it seems you were happy remaining lowkey until townies started pressuring you for anaylsis at which time you produced your report, naming yourself a suspect of holmes. An attempt to lend it credibility, perhaps? :stare:
Indeed. I don't recall him admitting Holmes detected him as a mafioso in previous games...
Could it be...?
Kommodus, did you make a confession?
:inquisitive:
I'll have to go through his posts when I find the time.
Kommodus
09-10-2007, 15:45
Additional comment: I find it interesting that the kill descriptions indicate the same individual, Mr. A. F. I. A. committing both crimes. There are two possibilities: either only one mafioso remains, or the mafia are trying really hard to convince us that only one is left.
It's probably not worth too much thought - as someone else (Sasaki?) said earlier, it's best to assume the worst and consider both mafiosi alive. If one mafioso is indeed dead, I'd say it was Husar. However, the evidence supporting that theory is so obvious I can't help but suspect a trick.
Finally, I humbly suggest that you guys should listen to me. I know that Ichigo and Pannonian have attracted a lot of attention to date, but that doesn't make them guilty. Holmes has highlighted Xiahou at present. Of course, this doesn't make him guilty either - there are too many players left alive at this point for me to really be very confident, and this result could very easily and probably will change - but I think he should be pressured somewhat. I've been wrong before and may be wrong now, but I think this is worth a few votes of confidence, especially since evidence against others is so thin.
:bow:
EDIT: When I clicked "reply", post 884 was the last one I'd read. Other stuff has been added since then; I see we have a response from Xiahou. I'll have to go over recent discussion.
Dutch_guy
09-10-2007, 16:04
I've been wrong before and may be wrong now, but I think this is worth a few votes of confidence, especially since evidence against others is so thin.
Did holmes give you anything on the newer players, the ones we don't know a lot about ? Think, Sir Robin, W&F, Tiberius and Fra ?
Edit: And wtf's up with all these lurkers? No WoGing in this game, GH?
Hmm, this doesn't seem like a comment you'd normally make - especially after such a balanced post. We should be rather glad no one has been WoGed up to date, as we'd lose 3 or 4 players at once. Equalling at least one day, and night fase. So: FoS: Proletariat, until I decide whom to vote for.
:balloon2:
Kommodus
09-10-2007, 16:09
No, I said it rings hollow. I typically expect much more substantive analysis from you.
If my first analysis seems a little thin, there are three possible reasons for this:
1. I haven't had as much time for mafia as before, which explains both the relative lateness of the analysis and its less substantive nature.
2. I'm a mafioso, and am trying to give as little information as possible.
3. The analysis I gave is actually about right for a first try. More material is usually forthcoming in the second or third attempts. What I supplied this time as actually a lot more detailed than what I gave when I was a mafioso.
In this case, it seems you were happy remaining lowkey until townies started pressuring you for anaylsis at which time you produced your report, naming yourself a suspect of holmes. An attempt to lend it credibility, perhaps? :stare:
Several people have now commented on this. The truth is, I'd be suspicious of myself if I were you guys. Rightly so; you should be. Your critical faculties should all be engaged in this game - you need to question everything. That will help the town's side much more than if you blindly follow what I say.
Finally, why didn't I include Ichigo in my analysis? There are two reasons for this:
1. Ichigo is one of those players who, like Sasaki, are difficult for Holmes to analyze statistically. The nature of his play is too chaotic. Therefore, he should be watched carefully. However, his statistics and style of play look normal to me. I actually consider him a probable innocent. He always gets a lot of attention in games, but it's not always justified.
2. Holmes looks at different criteria then others do, so it shouldn't be surprising that it highlights players other than the ones being focused on in the discussion.
Xiahou, the statistics against you are not particularly damning, though they are enough to call attention. I believe you have used some poor logic that is not becoming of an intelligent guy like you. I am highlighting you now because I suspect this may be deliberate.
If one mafioso is indeed dead, I'd say it was Husar. However, the evidence supporting that theory is so obvious I can't help but suspect a trick.
You know, part of why I was lynched, as I understand it, was because I threw suspicion onto myself, I was overly defensive, tried to predict things etc. oh and I wrote that this makes me a suspect.:dizzy2:
Now the funky thing is that your Holmes post contains something very similar because you also throw suspicion onto yourself. Now I might think that makes you innocent because I know I am/was, but I also know that I used to play more or less like that before while you didn't.
I always liked to make myself a bit more suspicious than necessary and arguably I failed this time which makes my earlier comment to Sasaki quite funny, well, if you're scum I hope that you'll fail as well, but then I was lynched and noone should trust me, right?:laugh4:
Hmm, this doesn't seem like a comment you'd normally make - especially after such a balanced post. We should be rather glad no one has been WoGed up to date, as we'd lose 3 or 4 players at once. Equalling at least one day, and night fase. So: FoS: Proletariat, until I decide whom to vote for.
Not to take suspicion off of Prole, who could well be scummy for all I know, but I'm also concerned by the amount of lurkers. It'd be far too easy for one of the mafia to hide among the lurkers and lay low while we happily lynch all of the active players for them.
I don't think that no WoG is at all good for the town. Voting townies are all that matter and as more and more of them die off, the mafia's voting power grows and the lurkers remain as a convenient hiding place.
Pannonian
09-10-2007, 16:27
No, I said it rings hollow. I typically expect much more substantive analysis from you. In this case, it seems you were happy remaining lowkey until townies started pressuring you for anaylsis at which time you produced your report, naming yourself a suspect of holmes. An attempt to lend it credibility, perhaps? :stare:
I don't know if you were still following it at that point, but Kommo produced a similar, somewhat more exhaustive analysis on all remaining 12 (?) players in M6, including himself as a suspect, so he has history.
I wasn't confident enough to lodge a vote against him last round with the votes being as close as they were- I wanted more discussion first. Surely though, the scant analysis he provided should not be enough to get him off the hook. When he was scummy previously he would employ a similar tactic.
In my experience, this wasn't quite how he played as scum, preferring instead to avoid attention as much as possible by playing the middle of the road strategy. He notoriously avoided giving analyses in M3 because that would attract counter-votes, and a premature attack on Lemur (IIRC) in the last round did exactly that - added Lemur's vote to an existing vote against him to ensure a loss. For Kommodus to be playing in the way you suggest would be unlikely, given his experience as scum.
I've already said that I suspect at least one mafioso is an experienced player, judging by the choice of kills, and I've seen you play brilliantly enough in Graffiti Mafia to know you're capable of playing such a game. The rather clumsy running story points to an attempted framing of Kommodus' story in M3, so I'm ruling him out. Add the unsatisfactory defence and counterattack in this post, and
Vote: Xiahou
Crazed Rabbit is also worth looking at, as another who fits the profile I've described, and who moreover was personally present in M3. Prole might be more familiar with his style as scum, having been his Donna in Capo, so I'd like her opinion on his game so far.
Not to take suspicion off of Prole, who could well be scummy for all I know, but I'm also concerned by the amount of lurkers. It'd be far too easy for one of the mafia to hide among the lurkers and lay low while we happily lynch all of the active players for them.
I don't think that no WoG is at all good for the town. Voting townies are all that matter and as more and more of them die off, the mafia's voting power grows and the lurkers remain as a convenient hiding place.
This entire post is very interesting :inquisitive:
Maybe Kommo is right about Xiahou. On the other hand, Kommo remains on my suspect list as well.
Crazed Rabbit
09-10-2007, 16:45
I don't know if you were still following it at that point, but Kommo produced a similar, somewhat more exhaustive analysis on all remaining 12 (?) players in M6, including himself as a suspect, so he has history.
Well, there's something different between posting a summary of a dozen players remaining and listing your top suspects out of a couple dozen remaining and including yourself.
In my experience, this wasn't quite how he played as scum, preferring instead to avoid attention as much as possible by playing the middle of the road strategy. He notoriously avoided giving analyses in M3 because that would attract counter-votes, and a premature attack on Lemur (IIRC) in the last round did exactly that - added Lemur's vote to an existing vote against him to ensure a loss. For Kommodus to be playing in the way you suggest would be unlikely, given his experience as scum.
That suggests that he would change the way he played as mafia.
This is the oddest bit of your post - you defend Kommodus by saying he played differently back when he was mafia before. But that got him lynched, which one would think would be motivation to change how he plays.
On top of this is your own new game style, which you've pointed out several times to us townies. Funny you write that mafia don't change their ways while you consistently remind us that you're playing the new meta game of helping newbies.
I agree with Sigurd:
I still think Pannonian needs to be lynched. His new game style freaks me out.
Vote: Pannonian
CR
Pannonian
09-10-2007, 16:58
That suggests that he would change the way he played as mafia.
This is the oddest bit of your post - you defend Kommodus by saying he played differently back when he was mafia before. But that got him lynched, which one would think would be motivation to change how he plays.
That's the point I'm making. Given his previous experience as mafia, the style Xiahou suggests he's playing wouldn't be one that draws from the lessons learnt from M3. It would be safer to aim for existing suspects, as there will be existing votes against them, rather than strike for new ground and risk having countervotes going against him, as happened at the death of M3. There are different ways of playing differently, which for each player would be influenced by his experiences of playing in the past. The way Xiahou suggests is not the way I would expect an older, wiser Kommodus to play as scum.
I've already said that I suspect at least one mafioso is an experienced player, judging by the choice of kills, and I've seen you play brilliantly enough in Graffiti Mafia to know you're capable of playing such a game.
I believe you have used some poor logic that is not becoming of an intelligent guy like you.Hmm, do mafia usually try to blow smoke up a townie's ass when they try to lynch him? Probably not. If someone knows otherwise, please tell us though.
This is a tough vote, I was thinking Prole for potentially trying to start a bandwagon on me. Her entire post made no mention of me at all, yet I earn a vote regardless. Knowing myself to be innocent, that made me somewhat suspicious.
What really raised my suspicion though, is CR's recent post. He's been laying pretty low- less posts than even I - only to chime in with a lengthy attack on Pannonian for casting suspicion on him.
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
This entire post is very interesting
Maybe Kommo is right about Xiahou. On the other hand, Kommo remains on my suspect list as well.I considered that post might earn me suspicion, but it's true nonetheless. We're going to all look pretty stupid if it turns out that a mafioso was hiding among the lurkers and we let them walk away with a victory.
Kagemusha
09-10-2007, 17:09
This game confuses me. It seems that we are either facing a lurker mafia,or very experienced one. Now i know that i was wrong about Don, but i still think that Husar might have been scum. In that case his last post seems very intresting. Im not sure what is the meaning of it, is Husar trying to defend or cast suspicion on Kommodus, but the post smell´s fishy. I think we are going to see a large WOG soon,or if not i think we should lynch the lurkers, it would be too easy if the mafia could just slip through in silence.
Pannonian
09-10-2007, 17:15
We're going to all look pretty stupid if it turns out that a mafioso was hiding among the lurkers and we let them walk away with a victory.
Dutch Guy's example in M6 shows that GH isn't prepared to allow lurkers to lurk through the whole game. DG was threatened with WoG despite having participated throughout, simply because he had abstained through the whole game and thus avoided countervotes. True lurkers wouldn't even last so long before GH intervenes.
Kommodus
09-10-2007, 17:22
I agree with Pannonian; we don't need to worry about the timing of the WoG. There actually already was one, which took out three players. As for those players who are lurking now, they posted enough earlier in the game that it isn't time to eliminate them yet. If they continue to lurk they'll be dealt with. Based on experience with GH's games, I can say that mafiosi are just as susceptible to this as everyone else, so we have nothing to fear from a completely inactive mafioso.
We should, however, keep our eyes on those who show up just enough to save themselves from the WoG.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-10-2007, 17:22
Don't see what's scummy about pann.
CR can be verified in late game, as long as you make him do it right.
Xiahou could be mafia.
Kagemusha
09-10-2007, 17:31
Well im convinced about the reasoning not to go and vote lurkers so unvote. This might be another mistake, but Kommo seems somehow fishy, not least becouse Husar´s post, so Vote Kommodus. Also FOS Proletariat for stepping in the bandwagon against Xiahou.
Pannonian
09-10-2007, 19:07
Wow, even worse than the last round.
W&F - 1 (Stig)
Xiahou - 3 (Kommodus, Prole, Pann)
Pann - 1 (Rabbit)
Rabbit - 1 (Xiahou)
Kommodus - 1 (Kage)
Posted, but not voted - 1 (sapi)
Somewhere in Bermuda Triangle - 10 (W&F, Tran, Ichigo, Roadkill, Sir Robin, Shlin, Tiberius, Disco, CountArach, Pra)
discovery1
09-10-2007, 19:27
Kommodus probably isn't mafia, for the simple reason he sucks at being mafia, or at least did when I recruited him.
Vote:Kage because he's not replying to me in the chat. More at 11.
Dutch_guy
09-10-2007, 19:36
Hmmm, other than Kage and Disco returning to the thread no new developments. Which is why I'll reenforce my Fos with a vote:
I'm dead, damn it. No voting !
:balloon2:
Crazed Rabbit
09-10-2007, 19:55
That's the point I'm making. Given his previous experience as mafia, the style Xiahou suggests he's playing wouldn't be one that draws from the lessons learnt from M3. It would be safer to aim for existing suspects, as there will be existing votes against them, rather than strike for new ground and risk having countervotes going against him, as happened at the death of M3. There are different ways of playing differently, which for each player would be influenced by his experiences of playing in the past. The way Xiahou suggests is not the way I would expect an older, wiser Kommodus to play as scum.
Ah. I see. Then we're in agreement. We should keep an eye on Kommodus then.
Unvote: Pannonian
In that case, my suspicion naturally shifts to Xiahou. He tries to cast suspicion on me for my post on Pannonian, suggesting it is the first time this game I have made a lengthy post. That would be incorrect. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1666870&postcount=830) And call me crazy, but though I don't post that often, I figure I might make the posts I do write substantial.
Vote: Xiahou
Finally: EoB: Dutch_guy ; aren't you dead?
Crazed Rabbit
Dutch_guy
09-10-2007, 19:59
Finally: EoB: Dutch_guy ; aren't you dead?
Crazed Rabbit
haha yeah, my bad. I tend to miss stuff due to the massive thread page shifts which happen overnight, even my own death it seems :laugh4:
EDIT: Plus it didn't exactly help that my name wasn't bolded like it usually is...
:balloon2:
Tratorix
09-10-2007, 20:07
Vote:Kagemusha
He seems to be trying very hard to fly under the radar to me. He pops in, says something that usually just adds to confusion and then leaves again.
Dutch_guy
09-10-2007, 20:09
Vote:Kagemusha
He seems to be trying very hard to fly under the radar to me.
Isn't that exactly what you have been doing ?
:balloon2:
Kagemusha
09-10-2007, 20:32
Vote:Kagemusha
He seems to be trying very hard to fly under the radar to me. He pops in, says something that usually just adds to confusion and then leaves again.
Oh i summoned you back with my random poke.You must be reading the thread carefully. Why then you are not posting much? I think someone is trying to lurk away, well good for you to show up with your retaliation vote . Unvote and Vote Brave_Sir_Robin
Vote W&F; how did you know Sasaki was innocent?
Crazed Rabbit
09-10-2007, 20:54
Vote W&F; how did you know Sasaki was innocent?
Because he was killed by the mafia? :inquisitive:
FOS: BSR
Kage makes a good point about him.
CR
Because he was killed by the mafia? :inquisitive:
FOS: BSR
Kage makes a good point about him.
CR
Cos W&F said something about Sasaki before his death, I think.
This is a tough vote, I was thinking Prole for potentially trying to start a bandwagon on me. Her entire post made no mention of me at all, yet I earn a vote regardless. Knowing myself to be innocent, that made me somewhat suspicious.
She said she suspects experienced players and thus she was talking about you.
And Kage, I wanted to cast suspicion on Kommodus.
Tiberius of the Drake
09-10-2007, 21:24
BSR reaction to Kage's poke makes me think he is scum. The reaction just seems too mafiaesque to me. I also dont think that Xiahou is scummy.
Vote:BSR
GeneralHankerchief
09-10-2007, 21:50
There's been some questions about WoG. There really just hasn't been enough inactivity yet to merit me killing these semi-lurkers off. Pra is due and will get smote this round if he doesn't show up but that will be it.
Once/if we get down into single digits I shall tighten up and require more from the players.
discovery1
09-10-2007, 22:19
Unvote: Kage Vote: BSR cuz kage told me to and his reasoning was more solid then mine.
Unvote: Kage Vote: BSR
Where have you been?
We're going to have to lynch Disco sooner or later. For now I'll vote:Xiahou He's acting somewhat similiar to what he did in Graffiti.
woad&fangs
09-10-2007, 22:35
We're going to have to lynch Disco sooner or later. For now I'll vote:Xiahou He's acting somewhat similiar to what he did in Graffiti.
Then how 'bout we lynch him sooner. Vote: Disco I know absolutely nothing about Xiahou so I won't vote against him. If I said that I "knew" Sasaki was innocent I probably meant "highly suspect".
discovery1
09-10-2007, 22:38
Where have you been?
Being a busy engineering student.
Tratorix
09-10-2007, 22:41
Cool, this could be my first time getting lynched in a mafia game :2thumbsup: . As for people asking why I haven't been posting much, well, I didn't see much point in it. This is my first time in one of these games, so I don't have much of a clue as to what "mafia behaviour" looks like. If you really feel the need to lynch me, go ahead, but do it if you think i'm guilty not 'cause someone else told you to.
Being a busy engineering student.
Good boy
GeneralHankerchief
09-11-2007, 00:38
I'm extending this round for another 24 hours or so.
woad&fangs
09-11-2007, 00:43
BSRs reaction to his imminent lynching reminded me a lot of Beefy when he is innocent. Innocent being the key word here. So in the interests of a player I believe to be innocent not getting lynched I'll Unvote: Disco;Vote: Xiahou
Well, this should teach me to open my mouth up and try to participate in the discussion. :no:
In that case, my suspicion naturally shifts to Xiahou. He tries to cast suspicion on me for my post on Pannonian, suggesting it is the first time this game I have made a lengthy post. That would be incorrect. And call me crazy, but though I don't post that often, I figure I might make the posts I do write substantial.I made no such claim. I claimed you've made few posts to date- that's undeniable. We also know that you don't lie. If you were scum, it would make sense for you to say as little as possible so you don't have to say anything dishonest. Pannonian casts suspicion on you, and you vote for him. I vote for you and your response is to vote for me. How isn't this scummy behavior? :shrug:
Kommodus probably isn't mafia, for the simple reason he sucks at being mafia, or at least did when I recruited him.That was kind of my point. He was exhibiting similar behavior (IMO) to when you, myself, and Kommodus were all scum. Kommodus doesn't like being mafia and as a result, usually isn't too enthusiastic about being clever at it.
Pannonian
09-11-2007, 02:56
Well, this should teach me to open my mouth up and try to participate in the discussion. :no:
I made no such claim. I claimed you've made few posts to date- that's undeniable. We also know that you don't lie. If you were scum, it would make sense for you to say as little as possible so you don't have to say anything dishonest. Pannonian casts suspicion on you, and you vote for him. I vote for you and your response is to vote for me. How isn't this scummy behavior? :shrug:
Unless something else happens in the meantime, I'm going to push for Rabbit next round as the next most likely candidate for the experienced mafioso role that I strongly suspect exists.
That was kind of my point. He was exhibiting similar behavior (IMO) to when you, myself, and Kommodus were all scum. Kommodus doesn't like being mafia and as a result, usually isn't too enthusiastic about being clever at it.
The thing about Kommodus is that he's none too clever about some aspects of scum-playing, but he is very clever about some other aspects. The experienced mafioso in this game is good in areas that Kommo is supposedly weak in, but weak in areas that Kommo has proven himself to be very good in. It's not a blanket "Kommodus is crap at playing scum", but a more selective and detailed look. That's why I'm discounting him, and your pressing of such an argument is why I'm voting for you ahead of Rabbit this round.
W&F - 2 (Stig, shlin)
Xiahou - 6 (Kommodus, Prole, Pann, Rabbit, Ichigo, W&F)
Rabbit - 1 (Xiahou)
Kage - 1 (Sir Robin)
Sir Robin - 3 (Kage, Tiberius, Disco)
Posted, but not voted - 1 (sapi)
Somewhere in Bermuda Triangle - 4 (Tran, Roadkill, CountArach, Pra)
RoadKill
09-11-2007, 03:11
No I am not in the Bremuda triangle, this game is getting confusing, like I can't keep track of everything and I have no idea whats going on, so I'm just keeping quiet and reading the thread up till I understand whats going on.
Kommodus, let's have some more stats. How does Prole's post frequency and length stack up against her other games? It's my observation that she largely lurks when she has no role and is normally active only when having some sort of role. Is there any truth to this?
I'd also ask the same about CR. Is his posting frequency and length all perfectly in order as he says? I want to see if I'm barking up the right trees or not.
Proletariat
09-11-2007, 04:42
My activity levels in these games has always been pretty poor, and it's something I'm trying to work on, because I get annoyed by other useless townies who lurk too. But I think if there's enough analysis on me it'll show that when I have a mafia role, I'm pretty quiet as well, until I get fingered and then get a bit cagey.
Anyway, my vote on you this round was on my 'lynch good players' hunch. You seem a tiny bit defensive about it, so I think I may be right. We've had an extension to this day, so we still have time to contemplate other 'experienced players' like Crazed Rabbit and Pann. I'm certain our mafia is one of these types, possibly Kommo. But for now I'm gonna leave my vote as it stands.
FoS:woad&fangs, Tran, Ichigo, Stig, sapi, Crazed Rabbit, Kommodus, Pannonian, discovery1, CountArach, Xiahou, and Kagemusha.
Interesting excuses. FoS:Prole
Proletariat
09-11-2007, 04:50
At least the substance of your posts in this thread are relatively consistent. :P
So I should stop playing now? Are you making fun of me? :sad:
Proletariat
09-11-2007, 04:53
Only teasing, Ichi. Remember what happens in the chat, stays in the chat, mmkay?
~:cheers:
Kommodus
09-11-2007, 05:37
Kommodus, let's have some more stats. How does Prole's post frequency and length stack up against her other games? It's my observation that she largely lurks when she has no role and is normally active only when having some sort of role. Is there any truth to this?
To an extent. On the average, Prole does appear to speak up a little more in the games when she is guilty. The telling statistic here is average post length: the two games in which this has been the highest have been Rise of the Mob (871 characters) and CDTC (440 characters). She was guilty in both.
In this game, it's 348 characters, skewed up by some recent posts. This is a little higher than her average "innocent" level, but lower than it was in Graffiti Mafia, when she was innocent. Also, her posting frequency is more normal here (it's also, on average, higher when she is guilty).
Actually, I was a bit suspicious of Prole earlier in the game, simply because, well, I always figured that if she were mafia she'd probably make the kills appear to have been done by a man, just to throw everyone off. Could that strangely dressed "man" with the wild hair and grass skirt actually be Prole in disguise? I wondered. It's so out of character for her that it might just be crazy enough to work. But I never said anything about it because, as you can see, it's far too silly to make a good argument. There has to be other evidence.
I'd also ask the same about CR. Is his posting frequency and length all perfectly in order as he says? I want to see if I'm barking up the right trees or not.
CR appears statistically solid to me. But so did Dutch_guy in Mafia VI, which meant that I didn't suss him out until round 7. It's a little easier for people with posting habits like CR and DG to hide from Holmes, and so I don't rely on statistics as much for them.
I agree with Pannonian and Sasaki about CR. In the next round, we should make him swear his innocence. I know exactly what form he uses when it's real, and he knows that I know this. We're past the game's mid-point, and it's time for him to eliminate himself as a suspect - if he is, in fact, innocent.
Kommodus
09-11-2007, 05:40
Suicide:Ichigo
What? Why? :dizzy2:
I hope this isn't for real. If it is, I'd say you're developing a rather curious habit...
Proletariat
09-11-2007, 05:43
I agree with Pannonian and Sasaki about CR. In the next round, we should make him swear his innocence. I know exactly what form he uses when it's real, and he knows that I know this. We're past the game's mid-point, and it's time for him to eliminate himself as a suspect - if he is, in fact, innocent.
FWIW, a few players decided it wasn't fair to use this tactic on CR because it's like punishing him for not being a bald-faced liar to his internet friends. I agreed with it (I think Pann brought it up in the Capo2 Sign Ups thread) at the time, but I guess it's up for debate whether or not this gives him an unfair advantage.
Thanks for the response Kommodus. I'd say for now, Prole and yourself are off the hook- well, insofar as my soon to be lynched self is concerned. :yes:
Kommodus
09-11-2007, 06:03
FWIW, a few players decided it wasn't fair to use this tactic on CR because it's like punishing him for not being a bald-faced liar to his internet friends. I agreed with it (I think Pann brought it up in the Capo2 Sign Ups thread) at the time, but I guess it's up for debate whether or not this gives him an unfair advantage.
Nah. CR brought it upon himself when he chose his mode of play. The power of The Truth (tm) can help or hurt him, depending on what side he's on - and it usually helps because he's usually town. Remember that he recently won Attack of the MacSobers as a mafioso, cleverly circumventing The Truth because the townies didn't quite understand how it worked.
The thing is, CR's "code" does allow him to lie, withhold the truth, and deceive in a host of other ways. He simply won't swear to be telling the truth when he is, in fact, lying.
This time we should make him swear his innocence properly. If he's really town, he won't fight it. If he's mafia, we'll know we have our man. :2thumbsup:
Crazed Rabbit
09-11-2007, 06:23
I agree with Pannonian and Sasaki about CR.
Agree? This is what Sasaki said:
CR can be verified in late game, as long as you make him do it right.
Next round, if Xiahou isn't the last mafia, we will be down to 15 people. That is not end game.
Now, you know that the power of truth is greatest when it's brought out in the end game. That's because a much greater percentage of the potential suspects are thereby proven innocent. If I do it too early, I get killed and the town is hurt.
Rest assured that I will break out The Truth when necessary.
And what is with all this suspicion on me? It seems to be 'CR has played mafia a lot, so let's lynch him'. Yes, I've played a lot, but so have a good amount of people here. Yet Pannonian keeps pushing on me on that flimsy basis.
Even a thumbs-up from Holmes isn't enough.
:embarassed:
Just don't lynch me when I'm away sleeping or studying and can't defend myself like in KFM.
CR
Pannonian
09-11-2007, 10:25
Nah. CR brought it upon himself when he chose his mode of play. The power of The Truth (tm) can help or hurt him, depending on what side he's on - and it usually helps because he's usually town. Remember that he recently won Attack of the MacSobers as a mafioso, cleverly circumventing The Truth because the townies didn't quite understand how it worked.
The thing is, CR's "code" does allow him to lie, withhold the truth, and deceive in a host of other ways. He simply won't swear to be telling the truth when he is, in fact, lying.
This time we should make him swear his innocence properly. If he's really town, he won't fight it. If he's mafia, we'll know we have our man. :2thumbsup:
Dunno about you, but I've already said I won't be pressing him in that way (IMHO it's unfair on him), so he won't be facing any direct questions from me. Instead, if Rabbit really does have RL concerns that prevent him from being able to put up a vigorous defence of himself, perhaps he can tell us when he's free, so we can persecute him when it's convenient for him. I've seen scum cite RL issues (holidays) preventing them from answering and subsequently bogging the game down, so the excuse of exams and such shouldn't give Rabbit a pass for the whole game.
I'll give Rabbit a bye for now, but I'd really like him to tell us when he's free to defend himself, or at least give us some more insights on the game.
Only teasing, Ichi. Remember what happens in the chat, stays in the chat, mmkay?
:inquisitive:
Been planning your next kills?
Also you're all very considerate towards CR, very unusual for mafia games.
Now, you know that the power of truth is greatest when it's brought out in the end game. That's because a much greater percentage of the potential suspects are thereby proven innocent. If I do it too early, I get killed and the town is hurt.
To me that sounds a bit like you're buying time, there are two innocent townies killed each round so the town is hurt each round anyway and if you're really innocent, the mafia can kill you now anyway since they know if you are or not whether you swear or not.
Kommodus
09-11-2007, 13:06
Hm, ok, well I guess I misinterpreted what Sasaki and Pannonian said. In any case, I don't think it's unfair to CR to make him swear his innocence. The Truth is a weapon he himself chooses to use.
Now, you know that the power of truth is greatest when it's brought out in the end game. That's because a much greater percentage of the potential suspects are thereby proven innocent. If I do it too early, I get killed and the town is hurt.
Rest assured that I will break out The Truth when necessary.
You have a point. I guess I just feel that the town would benefit from having one less suspect to think about. This game started with a lot of people, meaning it will have a lot of rounds, so I'm getting a bit edgy now that we've had 6 rounds of kills and 5 lynchings - it feels like we're entering the endgame even if we're not quite. After all, if the mafia know that you're innocent and that you can pull out The Truth at any time, why are you still alive? Presumably to draw suspicion and attention; the mafia would love to have the focus on anyone besides them.
Also I think we're further into the game than we realize. Yes, we'll still have 15 people left after the lynching, but WoG is going to kick in eventually against those whose participation is low or who abandon the game despite earlier participation. Let's not get overconfident just because we currently have a lot of people left.
I'll consider your argument, but I still feel this wouldn't be a bad time to pull out The Truth.
And what is with all this suspicion on me? It seems to be 'CR has played mafia a lot, so let's lynch him'. Yes, I've played a lot, but so have a good amount of people here. Yet Pannonian keeps pushing on me on that flimsy basis.
Even a thumbs-up from Holmes isn't enough.
Holmes doesn't give you a thumbs-up; more of a thumbs-sideways. In any case it shouldn't be enough; DG got a thumbs-up from Holmes throughout most of Mafia VI.
I'd rather have people focusing on others besides you right now, simply because I know you've got The Truth. Nevertheless, even I get a bit nervous about you. I'd feel better with some certainty... :yes:
Kagemusha
09-11-2007, 15:13
I havent seen anything during this extension of voting time, which would change my mind how to vote. Just out of curiosity Kommodus, what does your method tell about me, since i have never seen an Holmes analyze about my playing style?
GeneralHankerchief
09-12-2007, 00:01
Voting over.
Stand by for the execution.
GeneralHankerchief
09-12-2007, 01:01
It was sunset once again in the Frontroom. The voting, the debating, had once again concluded for the night and all there was left to do was to count the votes and throw the guilty party to the sharks with frickin' lazers.
As Chief of Police Beirut worked on getting the first of those chores down, he stared out at the town square. Eighteen people stared back out at him. Eighteen, soon to be seventeen. Seventeen. Seventeenseventeenseventeen. That was all that would be left. He wouldn't go so far as calling the Frontroom a ghost town, not yet, but everyone definitely had plenty of personal space now in the square, which was unheard of before the mafia started their work.
He didn't have much time to observe the town square as there were now less votes to count, much less. He stared in surprise as he groped in the voting box for another slip of paper and found nothing.
"Well," he said to himself, "I suppose there's one benefit to the mafia coming to kill everybody off." Now he addressed the crowd as a whole.
"Gentlemen," he began, "You have hereby determined Xiahou to be guilty of murder. Xiahou, have-"
"Waitaminute," one villager interrupted. "Haven't the mafia killed, like, more than half of us by now? Shouldn't you be using a more serious word than 'murder'? Maybe, say, 'conspiracy to wipe an entire friggin' village off the map'?"
Beirut sighed. "Even if I used that charge, the penalty for murder is already death. I can't really go much nastier than that. Plus, I don't feel like saying 'conspiracy to wipe an entire friggin' village off the map' every single evening so 'murder' it is.
"Now then," he continued, "As I was saying, Xiahou, you're guilty of murder. Have you any final words before you're thrown to the sharks with frickin' lazers?"
Xiahou got up to the execution platform and popped a pill in his mouth. After shaking his head, he asked the Chief of Police if there was any point in saying anything since his fate was already determined.
"No," Beirut said, as usual.
"Well then, guess it's pointless, isn't it? I guess you'll see what I really was soon enough." He paused, apparently finished, and then decided to add one more thing. "I guess I can't even request a different death?"
"No," Beirut said again. "Those sharks with frickin' lazers cost me a mint, and I intend to get full use out of them. Now get in the tank." Without waiting for Xiahou to comply, the Chief of Police booted the condemned into the tank filled with sharks with frickin' lazers.
Instantly he regretted the decision. A lazer beam fired off, out of the tank and into the town. It hit the top floor of a medium-sized building facing the town square.
"Anybody live there?" Beirut asked, over the din of the sharks still enjoying their meal.
"I think it was Warmaster Horus's art studio," one townie yelled. "Wait, no - music studio. Yeah, that was it."
"Well, it doesn't matter in any case, seeing as he doesn't need it anymore," Beirut said. "All right, all I suggest you do is go home and start praying that you got the right guy this time. Hopefully I won't see you tom-"
CRASH!!!
Seemingly out of nowhere a piano had fallen, crushing poor Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien under it. It made a terrible noise, its final chord drowning out Beirut's words and the sharks finishing up.
"Curses," Beirut said silently. "How the heck does a piano fall and crush Pra when it's nowhere near him?" He sighed. "Looks like I'm gonna have to find a new lynching method. These lawsuits will be even deadlier than any mafioso."
Voting total for Round 6:
Xiahou: 6 (woad&fangs, Ichigo, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Kommodus, Pannonian) :skull:
Brave_Sir_Robin: 3 (Tiberius of the Drake, discovery1, Kagemusha)
woad&fangs: 2 (shlin28, Stig)
Kagemusha: 1 (Brave_Sir_Robin)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Xiahou)
Abstained: 2 (RoadKill, sapi)
Didn't vote: 3 (Tran, CountArach, Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (16)
woad&fangs
Tran
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
sapi
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Kagemusha
Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Xiahou
Kommodus
09-12-2007, 01:33
I havent seen anything during this extension of voting time, which would change my mind how to vote. Just out of curiosity Kommodus, what does your method tell about me, since i have never seen an Holmes analyze about my playing style?
Holmes indicates you are probably innocent in this game. ~;) But you're a bit tricky to analyze; perhaps you can help me out: have you been a mafioso in any large games since Mafia I? If so, what games?
A few closing comments: obviously there was very little activity during the extension; apparently we had all made up our minds. This made me a bit edgy; wouldn't Xiahou put up a better defense if he was guilty? But I stuck with my vote, in part because I would've expected a guilty Xiahou to try his defense in this manner. A vigorous defense would obviously get him nowhere; maybe relative silence would help.
There were some things I would've expected an innocent Xiahou to try in his defense, which were curiously lacking. Where was the shock and disappointment that Holmes had pointed to him? Where were the refutations of the evidence used against him, and the explanations for why that evidence was being used wrongly? None of them were to be seen.
How confident am I that we got the right guy? Ultimately, not very. With so many people left, we'd have to be a bit lucky to get it right at this point.
However, there is one thing in the execution post that makes me wonder:
Xiahou got up to the execution platform and popped a pill in his mouth.
Not quite sure what's up with that. Any thoughts?
woad&fangs
09-12-2007, 01:40
I think we just lynched the detective or one of the mafia. I'm not sure which it was.
A few closing comments: obviously there was very little activity during the extension; apparently we had all made up our minds. This made me a bit edgy; wouldn't Xiahou put up a better defense if he was guilty? But I stuck with my vote, in part because I would've expected a guilty Xiahou to try his defense in this manner. A vigorous defense would obviously get him nowhere; maybe relative silence would help.
There were some things I would've expected an innocent Xiahou to try in his defense, which were curiously lacking. Where was the shock and disappointment that Holmes had pointed to him? Where were the refutations of the evidence used against him, and the explanations for why that evidence was being used wrongly? None of them were to be seen.Bah, I could tell the fix was in by the time the first couple of votes were lodged against me. Defending myself would seem scummy and not defending myself would seem just as scummy. Instead, I thought my remaining time would be better spent asking questions and putting for some theories. :bow:
FWIW, I never understood how holmes could point to me with any accuracy when I've only played a handful of games and none for the past few months. :shrug:
RoadKill
09-12-2007, 03:18
I think we just lynched the detective or one of the mafia. I'm not sure which it was.
care to explain why?
No idea what's up with the pill, but it seems too obvious to be some kind of hint.
Kommodus
09-12-2007, 03:55
I think we just lynched the detective or one of the mafia. I'm not sure which it was.
We certainly didn't lynch the detective.
1. He would have revealed. Six "innocent" results would've been very useful to the town, even if he had never gotten a "guilty."
2. He would have investigated me early on and would therefore not have been suspicious of me.
3. There would've been a clue in the execution scene.
FWIW, I never understood how holmes could point to me with any accuracy when I've only played a handful of games and none for the past few months. :shrug:
Well, if I was wrong - a definite possibility - I apologize. It's happened before and will happen again. However, there have been other times when I've been right, but failed to accomplish the desired result due to lack of assertiveness, so this time I decided to take a stand. No hard feelings, right bro? :shakehands:
Kommodus
09-12-2007, 05:23
No idea what's up with the pill, but it seems too obvious to be some kind of hint.
Really, you think so? I'm not so sure...
The chickens went straight for him and started pecking away. It wasn't as messy as poor Horus's death, but it was definitely up there. Out of sight, viewing the incident with binoculars, the mafioso laughed and tossed a bottle of human pills to himself, thinking how it was a wonderful coincidence that they didn't work properly at all on the chickens.
Xiahou got up to the execution platform and popped a pill in his mouth.
Coincidence? Possibly, but I doubt it. :holmes:
Strange, that's interesting. I don't think we should think about it too much though...
Well, if I was wrong - a definite possibility - I apologize.You were. :wink:
No hard feelings, right bro? :shakehands:Meh, tis a game- people shouldn't take it too seriously. Interestingly, if my memory serves, this is the first time I've actually been lynched when I wasn't mafia- it was bound to happen.
33 hours since the last lynching... what's up GH?
Someone forgot to send in their pm?
33 hours since the last lynching... what's up GH?
Someone forgot to send in their pm?
You see? I was innocent!
GeneralHankerchief
09-13-2007, 14:10
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. This was no longer due to the fact that the villagers were staying in their homes; this was simply due to the fact that there was now a lack of villagers to make noise.
Tran was one of the few villagers left. He woke up, opened his windowshade, and groaned. It was a beautiful September day, perfect for tending to his garden. Obviously going outside was a serious risk but he figured that judging by the mafia's effiency so far that it wouldn't matter. Besides, the weather was just too nice to pass up.
After about thirty minutes or so of working he began to relax, something he hadn't been able to do in several days. His garden, the plants, the medicinal herbs he was growing, they all calmed him. He was glad of this. He gradually became more engrossed in his garden and the beauty of the day rather than staying on the alert for, say, potential intruders.
Mr. A.F.I.A. observed this entire process from afar, carefully watching Tran's facial expressions. The speed and the jerkiness in which he moved would tell him a lot. Finally, whem his prey exhibited no noticeable signs of paranoia, he took that as a ready sign. He moved in.
It was a quick job. He entered Tran's property, disabled the home security system (he had read up on it the previous night) and made his way to the backyard and the garden.
Tran didn't even notice. Silently grinning, the mafioso levelled his shotgun and blasted Tran in the back. This was getting easier every day. Well, aside from the pie thing, anyway.
He searched the garden, job clearly not finished yet. Finding what he was looking for, he grabbed several of the medicinal herbs being grown, stuffed them into a bag, and departed. Clockwork.
Later that day, Mr. Arlen Frederick Ivanovich Ace was back at the grave of Sigurd Fafnesbane, this time picking a rose that a townie had conveniently left there after the killings yesterday. He stared at it, amazed at the foolishness of it all. The town was supposed to mourn after the bloodbath was done.
And he was pretty certain that he wasn't done yet.
He headed into another familiar location, the bar which proved to be a favorite poisoning spot. Only one patron was present, the barman evidently having fled town or not bothered to come in today. sapi, clothed in his usual black, stared as he saw the new customer for a second, and then resumed drinking his Appletini in a "very manly way."
The mafioso sat down and paused for a minute. Finally, with sapi trying to look conspicuous with his Appletini, he spoke up. "Where's the barman?"
"Dunno," said sapi. "Guess it doesn't matter, anyways. The mafia seem to be using a shotgun now, maybe they're out of poison."
"Mmm." Mr. Arlen Frederick Ivanovich Ace nodded politely. "So, I guess you're the bartender now? I don't know how to work any of this fancy machinery, and you're sitting there with a nice Appletini."
"It's easy to learn," said sapi, grimacing slightly. He got up and walked behind the bar. "Here, I can show you, and then we can each make as many drinks as we want and drown our sorrows in alcohol. Name your poison."
"How ironic," the mafioso thought silently. "Beer me," he said out loud. sapi nodded and turned around, adjusting the taps. The mafioso quickly spit into sapi's Appletini. "Out of poison?" he said. "I *am* the poison, buddy."
"What was that?"
"Oh," said the mafioso, fumbling, "I said I'll probably drink this place dry by tonight. C'mon, hurry up and drink it dry with me."
"Sounds good to me," sapi said, topping off the mafioso's mug. They chinked their glasses together and each drank. In a matter of seconds sapi was down on the floor, writhing. In another matter of seconds he was motionless.
"Well, that was easy," he said. "I'm lucky it didn't do that to me that quickly." He took out a knife and cut out a patch from sapi's black robes. He was just about to exit the bar when he felt a sharp stab of pain spread throughout his entire body. Everything went black.
Later that day, Chief of Police gathered all of the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "...yeah. I'm tired of repeating myself. You all know why we're here, so let's get to it, shall we?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (14)
woad&fangs
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Kagemusha
Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Tran
sapi
Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Xiahou
Stig, why are you still alive?
GeneralHankerchief
09-13-2007, 14:39
Stig, why are you still alive?
Because he hasn't been killed or lynched yet. :smartass:
woad&fangs
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Kagemusha
Why is nobody lynching one of these players?
:inquisitive:
Talk :whip:
Kommodus
09-13-2007, 16:30
Hm, well it appears I was most likely wrong about Xiahou. I'll work on another analysis with Holmes this evening after flag football. In the meantime,
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Time to do your thing, friend. You know what we want to hear. ~;)
Pre-response to criticism that it isn't time yet: although there are still 14 players yet, it is round 7. I believe we have waited long enough, and this would free us up to focus on other suspects.
Hm, well it appears I was most likely wrong about Xiahou. I'll work on another analysis with Holmes this evening after flag football. In the meantime,
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Time to do your thing, friend. You know what we want to hear. ~;)
Pre-response to criticism that it isn't time yet: although there are still 14 players yet, it is round 7. I believe we have waited long enough, and this would free us up to focus on other suspects.
But, as you said, holmes has its' flaws. And you yourself have a good intuition in these games. Surely, you have something to say about Stig, Ichigo and Pannonian or another player, without having to rely on holmes?
While we are waiting for Holmes, maybe Kommodus can give his personal analysis?
Kommodus
09-13-2007, 18:36
But, as you said, holmes has its' flaws. And you yourself have a good intuition in these games. Surely, you have something to say about Stig, Ichigo and Pannonian or another player, without having to rely on holmes?
While we are waiting for Holmes, maybe Kommodus can give his personal analysis?
I also use Holmes to extract posts for individual players, which I use for intuitive analysis. So that, too, will have to wait till this evening. Nevertheless I'll try to make some preliminary comments.
Ichigo, IMO, is playing as he normally does, wackiness, spam, and all. Nevertheless, he's a very intelligent and talented mafioso, and is quite capable of this. There are two things that make me wonder about him:
1. He's quite a capable townsperson, and is good at picking out the mafia. I'm not sure he's trying as hard this time. I'll consider this more carefully when I can extract all his posts.
2. The kill descriptions - especially some of the early ones - have been really wacky. It could easily be Ichigo who thought them up. I know this is generally regarded as poor evidence in Mafia, as the mafia are likely to try to confuse with their kills - I'm just pointing it out for observation.
Pannonian was one of my suspects in the first analysis by Holmes, though he wasn't high on the list. Others have pointed to his new "style" as suspicious, mainly because it differs from his history. I think his explanation for his altered style is plausible, especially since I think he'd try to maintain character if he was guilty. Nevertheless, it could be him - his intelligence makes him perfectly capable of playing the excellent game the mafia have been playing so far.
Stig, of course, could be guilty as well, but I don't have any clear ideas about him. The analysis will have to wait.
For now, I want to eliminate Crazed Rabbit as a suspect. Only he can do that for himself...
Stig, why are you still alive?
To be completely honest mate, I'm actually wondering the same. Every time I open the summary threads I expect to see my name there, but I take it they want to make this some sort of replay of Mafia VI.
I'm not voting yet tho, I want to wait for a certain someone to post.
Crazed Rabbit
09-13-2007, 18:55
For now, I want to eliminate Crazed Rabbit as a suspect. Only he can do that for himself...
Sigh.
Yeah, this is the seventh round, but will still have fourteen people left. Even after two more rounds we'll have eight people.
But I guess now's the time the town wants, so ask the question.
CR
RoadKill
09-13-2007, 21:17
Vote:Kommodus. Blasmephy, you are obviously the mafia. Why?
For a while you played as "holmes", and you have been investigating one player after another. I think the mafia would be smart enough to have gettin rid of you by now, so you dont post much of a threat later, but yet you are still alive, akward no?
Dutch_guy
09-13-2007, 21:37
Vote:Kommodus. Blasmephy, you are obviously the mafia. Why?
For a while you played as "holmes", and you have been investigating one player after another. I think the mafia would be smart enough to have gettin rid of you by now, so you dont post much of a threat later, but yet you are still alive, akward no?
That's not exactly a logical argument, as Kommodus' system doesn't depend on whether he's alive or dead. He is a good lynch however, because of the threat he and his method can pose in the late game, and for the fact he can use also use Holmes when dead.
:balloon2:
No, he's not a good lynch, if he's a townie let the mafia kill him, that way we know for sure that he's innocent. If we lynch him we'll never know.
Vote:Kommodus. Blasmephy, you are obviously the mafia. Why?
For a while you played as "holmes", and you have been investigating one player after another. I think the mafia would be smart enough to have gettin rid of you by now, so you dont post much of a threat later, but yet you are still alive, akward no?
Oh, the mafia knows what they are doing... a Kommodus killed, means a Kommodus innocent and will be a bigger threat than a suspicious and alive Kommodus. Better yet.. If the mafia can get Kommodus lynched, then maybe he will loose his credibility. FoS RoadKill
Before I log off, Vote: Roadkill, see Sigurd above.
Dutch_guy
09-13-2007, 21:45
No, he's not a good lynch, if he's a townie let the mafia kill him, that way we know for sure that he's innocent. If we lynch him we'll never know.
I think it's this very belief that will make us doubt Kommodus the entire game long. If we lynch him we'll never know, but don't count on the mafia killing him anytime soon.
:balloon2:
Kagemusha
09-13-2007, 21:50
Vote shlin28. As if you were waiting a FOS from respected dead player. To throw in a vote without giving your own reasoning for it.
Kommodus
09-13-2007, 22:13
Sigh.
Yeah, this is the seventh round, but will still have fourteen people left. Even after two more rounds we'll have eight people.
But I guess now's the time the town wants, so ask the question.
CR
Very well...
Crazed Rabbit, are you in the mafia???
Please speak truthfully, with appropriate assurances.
Perhaps the reason I'm on edge is that I saw how you managed to delay the town long enough in Attack of the MacSobers that by the end, they had apparently largely forgotten about you. I don't want that to happen here.
Also, FoS: shlin28. He was on my list from Holmes earlier, and his vote following Sigurd's reasoning strikes me as odd. Is he trying to get himself on my side, perhaps?
Both sides of the argument have merit, of course. In Graffiti Mafia, Husar argued that I was a good lynch because I could work just as well dead as alive, even if the results from a lynched Kommodus would be suspect. Of course, I was guilty in that game. However, in subsequent games the mafia have been very hesitent to kill me because they fear the repercussions of confirming my innocence, so Sigurd's argument is valid as well. Only RoadKill's statements are obviously flawed logically. For now, though, I still believe him to be innocent.
I'm extremely suspicious of woad&fangs
woad&fangs
09-13-2007, 22:19
why is that?
Just the way your playing. Once my search function works again I'll reread your posts.
Tiberius of the Drake
09-13-2007, 22:31
The dead has spoken and the Holmes system seems to be very accurate :D
Also Shlin hasnt been as active in this gam,e as in others.
Vote:Shlin 28
Holmes is not accurate if Kommo is mafia, voting Shlin can be done yes, he sounds suspicious, but I'll eat my hat would he be mafia.
Also Shlin hasnt been as active in this gam,e as in others.
Yup, because I'm pretty sure he was mafia there
In Graffiti Mafia, Husar argued that I was a good lynch because I could work just as well dead as alive, even if the results from a lynched Kommodus would be suspect.
They're not any more suspect than those from a live Kommodus, only the results of a killed Kommodus are not suspect. ~;)
This might of course mean the mafia will leave you alive for long which is why lynching you anyway is not a bad idea because you might just as well be one of them.
Crazed Rabbit
09-13-2007, 22:42
Crazed Rabbit, are you in the mafia???
No, I am not in the mafia.
Like my fellow townies, I hate the mafia and all their evil acts, I want to see them dead, and I swear this to be true.
CR
Kommodus
09-13-2007, 23:29
No, I am not in the mafia.
Like my fellow townies, I hate the mafia and all their evil acts, I want to see them dead, and I swear this to be true.
CR
:bow:
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Now we can use this information to the town's advantage. I'll work on it this evening.
Sasaki Kojiro
09-13-2007, 23:49
No, I am not in the mafia.
Like my fellow townies, I hate the mafia and all their evil acts, I want to see them dead, and I swear this to be true.
CR
Ambiguous again. Do you want to see your "fellow townies" dead?
Just say "I, crazed rabbit, swear I am not mafia"...
:bow:
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Now we can use this information to the town's advantage. I'll work on it this evening.
I am not entirely convinced...
EDIT: Gah, Sasaki beat me to it.
Anyway. The way CR formulated it, it seems like he only swears the "Like my fellow townies, I hate the mafia and all their evil acts, I want to see them dead, and I swear this to be true"-part to be true and that is slightly ambiguous. You'll have to do better to convince me, CR.
It is also interesting to see how easily Kommodus is convinced...
Yup, I believe that CR doesn't always speak the truth
RoadKill
09-14-2007, 00:06
I bet 20 bucks Crazed Rabbit and Kommodus is mafia, I just know isn't it obvious. Look Kommodus isn't that convnced by everyone else, but CR makes a lousy excuse and immidiatly Kommodus lets CR off the hook. Akward no? Its like kommodus wants eveyrone to think that hes not partners with CR, but then unvotes him.... :inquisitive:
woad&fangs
09-14-2007, 00:25
Interesting...... Before the game started CR stated he would not answer direct questions about his guilt or innocence yet he just did answer a direct question of his guilt or innocence. Perhaps Kommudus and CR were playing out an act to convince the town of CRs innocence.
Tiberius of the Drake
09-14-2007, 01:32
After examining Cr post after my last one, its seems to me that he is very, very scummy
Unvote:shlin28,Vote:CR
woad&fangs
09-14-2007, 01:35
Well it's tied up at one vote a piece with Kommodus, Schlin, CR, and Roadkill. Should we leave it at a tie to extend the round and promote dicussion or should I vote for one of them and end the round?
Ambiguous again. Do you want to see your "fellow townies" dead?
Just say "I, crazed rabbit, swear I am not mafia"...
No, I am not in the mafia
That sounds pretty unambiguous to me. If he ever decides to lie, he could probably coast to an easy victory like that, but such a ploy would only ever work once and he'd burn up all his credibility in the process.
woad&fangs
09-14-2007, 01:39
I believe the current argument is over what CR swears to be true. Does he swear that he is not in the mafia or does he swear the second part of his post to be true.
So CR do you swear that you are not in the mafia?
I want you to respond with a "I swear I am" or a "I swear I am not". Nothing else.
Vote:woad&fangs Your posts seem extremely neutral. I don't think that's a good sign.
woad&fangs
09-14-2007, 01:49
In just this round or the game as a whole?
Your last couple of posts
woad&fangs
09-14-2007, 02:03
It took you 8 minutes to say that? What, were you looking for some long forgotten post I made at the beginning of the game to accuse me with?vote: Ichigo Kommodus already stated that Holmes isn't good at analyzing you. Plus you might have been crazy enough to kill Sasaki.
Edit: Oooh, what were you searching for?
It took you 8 minutes to say that? What, were you looking for some long forgotten post I made at the beginning of the game to accuse me with?vote: Ichigo Kommodus already stated that Holmes isn't good at analyzing you. Plus you might have been crazy enough to kill Sasaki.
Edit: Oooh, what were you searching for?
Reading posts, scummy, why do you that is? That's some good reasoning you got there.
My dignity...
All of your posts seem to be cold and calculated. I'm not a fan of such things. Scummy me thinks.
woad&fangs
09-14-2007, 02:14
Yeah, I guess you're right. Sorry. Unvote: Ichigo I don't have anything to go on accept the Kommodus & CR exchange. Until CR has a chance to respond again I don't want to lynch him and the only evidence against Kommodus is CR.
Edit: Cold and Calculated? I'm to tired to make calculated posts tonight. What's funny is that I also think neutrality is extremely scummy.
Edit again: Woo!!! 1000 posts in this thread once Ichi replies again
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