View Full Version : HOTSEAT - Kingdoms-Teutonic hotseat
Yes I'm starting up another one :beam: this may seem ambitious but I really did it for the people who did not get into the last one,
Here are the factions:
The Teutonic order - Tristan de Castelreng
Lithuania - Doug_Thompson
Novgorod - Zim
The Holy Roman Empire - Elite Ferret
Denmark - Deguerra
Poland - PerfectOne
Mongols - phonicsmonkey
Tristan de CastelrengTeutonic Order1ZimNovgorod2Elite FerretHRE3DeguerraDenmark4phonicsmonkeyMongols5
The rule on turn times:
48hrs to play your turn or give me a reason why you need longer,
then I have 24hrs to find a replacement giving them an extra 48hrs to play it,
if I don't find a replacement the turn will be skipped to avoid slowing down the game.
Seeing that this thing takes no time at all (I expected it would cost me more time). And since MP is better than SP (I hate SP normally):
I'll be Lithuania, since I've no idea what it's like.
okay but remeber that this is for the ppl hu didnt get into the last 1, I may pull out if its popular
also do you have any requests on rules - I think we should do things a little bit differently this time
_Tristan_
09-10-2007, 20:14
Count me in as the Poles (I'm of Polish descent...)
okay but remember this is supposed to be for ppl who didnt get into the crusades one so if a lot of new ppl want to join I may move things around a bit (although this is unlikely)
_Tristan_
09-10-2007, 20:25
No problem...
okay but remeber that this is for the ppl hu didnt get into the last 1, I may pull out if its popular
They can always make their own one, you don't have to initiate every game yourself.
If enough people are around someone else can start a game with everyone not in this one.
yh I know tht (I dnt think im the god of hotseat lol) its just that the ppl hu expressed interest just seemed to wonder off after they found out it was full
Proletariat
09-10-2007, 21:24
I agree Bob, if one of the people who posted in our game thread wants in and there's no room, I'll give up my spot and just join whatever next kingdoms pbm starts.
Boyar Son
09-10-2007, 23:40
Ah! when does it start?
I still dont have kingdoms:dizzy2:
I dont expect you guys to wait, but if you do (:laugh4: ) count me in as Tuetons (playable?) if not then Novgorod.
I could take the Teutonic Order since I'm a big fan of these guys, sort of.:sweatdrop:
But I wouldn't mind being thrown out or so either. ~;)
Husar can have the Teutons if he has the game already and sorry cossack but we will start once all factions are taken, but when you get the game I'll still be interested in doing one with you if you start one up
I bought the game on release day.:2thumbsup:
well if some more players don't sign up soon then I'm going to start up this camapaign if that is alrite with everyone
Proletariat
09-14-2007, 22:05
How bizarre. All that interest disappeared from people who couldn't get in our game, so four out of six spots ended up being players from the same game. Maybe a quick few PMs to some of the interested folks to see if Novgorod will be taken. If not, let's get it rolling.
:2thumbsup:
I've already Pm'd everyone who expressed interest in the last one and the ones who bothered to reply either said they didn't have the game or the time. I'll start it up tommorow morning probably.
_Tristan_
09-14-2007, 23:59
Fine with me but I'm not sure I'll play able to play during the WE
pevergreen
09-15-2007, 10:43
Bah, the promise of dealing some hard butt-kickings in is order.
I'll take the last faction. I'll have to check them out though, havent played that one yet..:sweatdrop:
As long as they have Dismounted Knights :grin:
okay I will start it up now here is the list of factions and the save no. (same as on the crusades)
Teutonic OrderHusar1LithuaniaStig2Novgorodpevergreen3HREBob_the_great4DenmarkProletariat5PolandTristan de Castelreng6
Mongols-MOSH007-7
the saves will work exactly the same as last time so for Stig's 3rd turn he will download the file 'Teutonic-3-2' and upload it as 'Teutonic-3-3' for pevergreen to download. (the first number is turn no. and the second no. is the player number)
Husar is up first here: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Tetonic-1-1.sav
Ok, you just had to start it on the weekend I'm visiting my parents, didn't you?:laugh4:
I'll see if I can get around to it later today but otherwise I'm afraid you'll have to wait till tomorrow evening when I'm back in my appartement.
And if I understand that correctly, I'll play a turn, hit end turn, then save the game and upload the savegame, right?
yes, after you press end turn it will come up asking theh next faction to insert their password, you just press escape and save it in the format I explained earlier. Don't worry if you can't play your turn soon, there's no rush
pevergreen
09-16-2007, 00:28
Ok I want to make a few things clear.
Player to Player Diplomacy has to be agreed on?
Are there any limits on what you can do (ie Must Declare war, then after a turn do it?)
Player vs Player battles auto-resolved, what about Player vs AI
Dear Bob,
First thanks for the invitation and sorry for the late answer. I've been out of home for some days reason why i didi not answer before.
I was going to accept,,,but i see that you already started whit all factions assigned to a players. is that true?
:no:
pevergreen
09-16-2007, 04:13
unless we mod it to add in the unplayable factions found in it, yes
there pretty much are no rules other than the ones the game sets. All battles will be autresolved including player vs AI, the console is disabled and passwords are used. Diplomacy can be in game, through PMs or posted publicly here, in fact I encourage scheming behind peoples backs using PMs.
Sorry MOSH but if you really want to join you have three options;
1. I could mod the game to make the Mongols or Norway playable
2. I, or some other kind soul, will drop out allowing you to have our faction or
3. You, or me if you'd prefer, could start up an entirely new hotseat which I'm sure will fill up quickly.
pevergreen
09-16-2007, 12:30
If modding is too difficult to do, (i would go norway) I will drop out, as MOSH was asked first. :bow:
actaully you asked before MOSH but I think it is simple enough to mod the mongols and Norway into the game (I'm not too sure about Norway because Proletariat will want to form the union of Kalmar) and no-one will be forced to drop out, and if anyone does need to it will be me becuase I am already involved in 2 other hotseats.
I would love to participate with themongols but didi i got it right:
"...All battles will be autresolved including player vs AI..!
but this takes the all fun of the compaign ?!
Otherwise it ain't fair. MP campaigns are all about the strat map, no battles are fought
okay I will try and sort the mongols out now, sorry if you hav already played your turn Husar. Btw I will upload it as Teutonic-1-0 just this once and I may have to rearrange the turn order depending on where the mongols fit in.
the Mongols are fully playable here is the new save again for Husar http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Tetonic-1-0.sav other than this save the save names will be the same as I described before with the addition of MOSH007 on the end.
Done.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Tetonic-1-2.sav
:bow:
And yes, I think we should keep the spelling mistake, even if it wasn't one. ~;)
oops sorry, okay Stig's go now
pevergreen
09-17-2007, 01:09
I wont be able to do it until Thursday. (when it comes to me)
_Tristan_
09-18-2007, 08:13
@Bob : Could you update your first post to include the table from post #20 for ease of reference ?
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Tetonic-1-3.sav
next
pevergreen
09-20-2007, 04:33
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Tetonic1-4.zip
:bow:
_Tristan_
09-20-2007, 08:05
Could every player update the state of the world in his turn by stating the events (deaths, battles,...) etc that took place during its turn ?
I think it will more immersive...
here is the altest save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Teutonic1-5.sav
(with the spelling mistake corrected :) ) no events yet though
_Tristan_
09-24-2007, 15:06
It's Proletariat's turn
Has anyone heard from him ? Can't see his activity...
Should we PM him ? or skip his turn and go on...
Prole, dunno, she's active normally
She just takes her time, don't worry, she'll play it eventually.
4 days its two much time...the game is blocked.
Can someone contact the player?
_Tristan_
09-26-2007, 08:33
She played her turn in the other hotseat so she'll get to that one also, I hope...
She played her turn in the other hotseat so she'll get to that one also, I hope...
THERE SHOULD BE A TIME LIMIT FOR A PLAYER TO PLAY IS TURN...5 DAYS WITHOUT ANYTHING SHOULD HAVE A CONSEQUENCE-SKIP THE TURN AND NEXT PLAYER PLAY.
Turns can't be skipped, just be patient
Don't you have anything else to do? ~D
Patience is a virtue. :2thumbsup:
THERE SHOULD BE A TIME LIMIT FOR A PLAYER TO PLAY IS TURN...5 DAYS WITHOUT ANYTHING SHOULD HAVE A CONSEQUENCE-SKIP THE TURN AND NEXT PLAYER PLAY.
https://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8462/1190764161940rb0.jpg
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Proletariat
09-27-2007, 03:49
I'm really sorry for the hold up! Had some real life issues come up, and had a little less pc time the last few days. Also, I'm actually going to Italy friday night for ten days, so I'm worried about holding up the game again.
If someone is willing to replace me, then I'll most willingly give up my spot. I did commit tho, so if it's acceptable to the other players, I'll post my turn tomorrow and play again as soon as I get back, two mondays from now.
Sorry again!
_Tristan_
09-27-2007, 08:13
No problem on my part... real life has the way to make itself noticed at the worst of times...
It's fine with me.
Who would've guessed?:laugh4:
fine by me aswell just play when you're ready
fine with me as well. Real life comes first.
I also have otherthings to do
gibsonsg91921
09-28-2007, 01:06
what faction were you and ur password - i could take over!
Proletariat
09-29-2007, 00:18
It was the first turn so you can create the password, although I just uploaded 2-1 (doh, just realised it should be 1-6, if someone could rename it, have a plane to catch soon). If the rest of the players would like, I'll give up my spot to gibsong and he can replay my turn.
I'll be gone until the 8th, so I understand if people think it's unfair of me to hold up the game twice. Up to you guys, just mentioning it's fine with me
(Danes, btw)
yes if you don't mind gibsong could take over and play the first turn again (so long as he allies with me :) ) or if you wan't i'm sure we could wait. I don't mind either way.
gibsonsg91921
09-29-2007, 14:38
ok, thats cool. ill get to it tonight probably
gibsonsg91921
09-30-2007, 18:37
save uploaded - teutonic1-6 for poland
_Tristan_
09-30-2007, 19:22
Too late for me today... I'll most certainly play it tomorrow...
So erm, did you all play? I found a Teutonic-2-1.sav in the PBM folder, downloaded it and it was the beginning of the polish turn.:inquisitive:
gibsonsg91921
10-04-2007, 01:06
its 1-6. 2-1 is the wrong one
_Tristan_
10-04-2007, 08:09
Ok, I've played Poland's turn, it is now the Mongols' turn
the upload is here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Teutonic1-7.rar)
_Tristan_
10-06-2007, 17:42
4 days its two much time...the game is blocked.
Can someone contact the player?
It's now two days... No news so ?:inquisitive:
gibsonsg91921
10-06-2007, 17:46
who is up next?
_Tristan_
10-06-2007, 18:01
who is up next?
MOSH007 for the Mongols
He hasn't checked the forum since the save was uploaded
give him a couple more days, there's no rush
_Tristan_
10-07-2007, 08:56
I agree... There is no rush...
But for someone who complained that the game was blocked...
Anyway, nevermind...
Sorry for the delay
mongols are steaming... next turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Teutonic2-1.rar
I downloaded that and it asks me for the Mongol password...:inquisitive:
Not twice, just once.
_Tristan_
10-07-2007, 21:02
He must have forgotten to click end turn
YES YES sorry :wall:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/upload/Teutonic2-1b.rar
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Teutonic-2-2.sav
gibsonsg91921
10-15-2007, 03:09
hey kids! in addition to this hotseat PBM, join my WotS style Teutonic Order play by email. get ur general avatar quickly before someone else does. brand new! u can really get ur choice.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93377 for info
made my turn in this one as well
hey kids! in addition to this hotseat PBM, join my WotS style Teutonic Order play by email. get ur general avatar quickly before someone else does. brand new! u can really get ur choice.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93377 for info
nah just join my multi-faction PBM, it'll be much better :clown:
pevergreen
10-19-2007, 08:14
playing now.
The delay was that stig didnt post a link.
playing now.
The delay was that stig didnt post a link.
Didn't have time for that
pevergreen
10-19-2007, 08:25
Done.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Teutonic-2-4.sav
do you think you could upload the save to the new site seeing as this one is down, sorry I should have gotten it earlier.
gibsonsg91921
10-26-2007, 13:18
whose turn is it now?
mine but I can't download the file because the org uploader isn't working.
pevergreen
10-27-2007, 06:52
http://files.filefront.com/Teutonic+2+4sav/;8897972;/fileinfo.html
sorry I forgot it was my turn again :wall: , playing now.
edit: done and uploaded for Denmark: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Teutonic-2-5.sav
gibsonsg91921
10-29-2007, 21:59
ok, ill try and get to it soon in the next couple of days. unfortunately ive been busy a lot...
gibsonsg91921
11-04-2007, 00:18
uff. im gonna have to quit this... dangit. my password is nerdface.
okay, sorry to hear that it has come to this, I'll try to find a replacement asap.
gibsonsg91921
11-04-2007, 14:51
yeah, i cant really do PBMs where i manage my own faction. ill pick an avatar that isnt in charge for the teutonic one.
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 17:58
Alright Gib, I told EF that I'd take your spot. I'll try to get a new save up in a few hours.
There is a change of leadership in the Danish court. All previous deals are off. New ones can be made. ^_^
fancy an alliance :eyebrows:?
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 18:04
Let me look at the savegame and the victory conditions for Denmark first. I have never played the Teutonic campaign because I have become way too addicted to the Crusade one. So I am starting from scratch today.
Then, the new Danish chancellor will decide whether it is in the best interests of the mighty Danish Empire to have an alliance. :laugh4:
it will probably be a yes though. ^_^
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 19:00
Are the passwords case sensitive? I tried to put Gibson's password into the savegame but it tells me it is incorrect.
yes they are case sensitive, maybe he put a space in or something?
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 19:47
Alright, I just did my Crusade turn so now I'll retry this one with a space in the password.
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 20:11
Sorry guys, no luck. I tried all different permutations of Gib's password with caps and spaces. I'll PM him and ask him for the exact spelling of the password.
_Tristan_
11-06-2007, 20:45
Welcome PK
Privateerkev
11-07-2007, 06:14
Alright guys,
Gibson gave me three more possibilities for his password. None worked. And I tried different versions with regards to capitalization, spacing, and symbols.
So, I have PM'd him again and asked if he can remember which he used. He uses many passwords for these games and he is not sure which one he used on this particular campaign. I will keep all of you updated with regards to what he tells me.
Thanks for your patience, I'm sure he'll remember eventually.
_Tristan_
11-07-2007, 18:38
We're still on turn 2, so maybe we could start anew if necessary...
Would rather not
Privateerkev
11-07-2007, 20:37
Well if Gibson can not remember his password, then the game is effectively dead in the water.
I have thought up some rules that a GM might want to consider when starting up a Kingdoms hotseat campaign:
1.) Before the GM even sets up the first savegame, he should demand everyone's password to be given to him in private.
2.) After turn one, he should test all of the passwords while taking care to not look at anyone elses save game.
3.) If a password does not match, he should PM the person and demand the new password.
4.) If he can not get a password for every faction, he should restart the game. Since he has his own password, he can simply withhold it which would effectively kill the initial game. As GM, he has that right.
It will only be on its first turn so it shouldn't be too big a deal to start over. I know this sounds a little harsh but I think we might want to consider it. Because we have come close to having both Kingdoms hotseat games die because the GM could not get access to the passwords he needs.
We need players who will commit to the game. If real life intervenes, then we need to be able to replace that player. Because I think we would all have more fun if the games could be kept running at a brisk pace. Playing one turn should not take too long if your auto-resolving every battle. We have the Teutonic Campaign on the verge of death simply because a player can not remember his password. And we had the Crusade Campaign stalled for over 3 weeks simply because a player dropped totally out of contact.
So, the GM who runs these games needs to have every single password to every faction. My proposal is harsh but it would ensure that a game would not be derailed all because of one player.
yep good rules, PM ME YOUR PASSWORDS NOW OR MAY YOU BE BANNED FROM THIS HOTSEAT!
Privateerkev
11-07-2007, 20:45
yep good rules, PM ME YOUR PASSWORDS NOW OR MAY YOU BE BANNED FROM THIS HOTSEAT!
Well, seeing as this game is on the verge of death, that may be moot. If Gibson can not remember his password, this game is dead simply because we can not move past his turn.
Though it would be a good rule for whatever new game is started. :yes:
lets start a new one them ... quicly please
Privateerkev
11-08-2007, 03:14
Here is the latest situation. Gibson has been working with me on trying to figure out his password. He has sent me 13 passwords today alone to try. That is a total of 17 passwords. None have worked. As have no variations. I have sent all of them to EF in case he wants to try them out.
If Gibson can not remember his password, we need to start over since we can not advance beyond the Dane's turn.
gibsonsg91921
11-08-2007, 03:21
I.
AM.
SO.
SORRY.
I told PK I'm making an Alberto Gonzalez of myself.
"I don't recall."
Privateerkev
11-08-2007, 03:30
If you can't remember, you can't remember. This just illustrates why the GM needs every single password and also needs to verify them after turn one is finished. That way, we can avoid these situations. :yes:
And gib, you are soooo not like Al so don't worry about it. ^_^
gibsonsg91921
11-08-2007, 03:34
thanks PK, that's reassuring!
_Tristan_
11-08-2007, 12:49
If we start anew, let's try to make sure we get the scrolls at the beginning of turns...
Should be done on the hotseat section of the cfg file
Feel free to start a new one but this time without me if that's not a problem. :bow:
Doug-Thompson
11-08-2007, 18:31
If a new one's started, I'd like to join.
_Tristan_
11-08-2007, 18:49
I'm not responsible for the final choice, but it would be great to have you with us...
Perhaps as my ally for the once...
So welcome...:birthday2:
Which faction would you play ?
I would keep Poland if possible...
Privateerkev
11-08-2007, 18:55
Husar has just said he won't be in on a new one so that leaves the Teutonic Order open. If Stig continues his policy of boycotting games that I am in, that opens up the Lithuanians as well.
Since gibson can not seem to remember his password, we should seriously consider starting over. *nudges EF* ^_^
alright we'll start afresh, I'll wipe the player list as I am not at all sure how many people are playing now, not all of the factions need to be filled anyway. PM your passwords and post here if you want to join.
Privateerkev
11-08-2007, 18:58
I'll keep the Danes. Are you keeping HRE EF?
To everyone else, make sure you don't use a password you actually care about and use for other things. Don't use the same one you use for the .org or your email.
I'll choose my faction after most are taken, I'm not really too bothered who I play as. Nice IMS letter btw.
Doug-Thompson
11-08-2007, 20:08
I'm not responsible for the final choice, but it would be great to have you with us...
Perhaps as my ally for the once...
So welcome...:birthday2:
Which faction would you play ?
I would keep Poland if possible...
I'll play anybody. Who would be a good ally for Poland?
Privateerkev
11-08-2007, 20:15
I'll play anybody. Who would be a good ally for Poland?
Novogrod possibly but I don't know if Pevergreen would want that back.
Lithuania maybe for while they are a different religion they would both fear the Teutonic Order.
Denmark maybe but I have it.
HRE might not be a good Polish ally. HRE and Teutonic might be tight since they have the same roots. And HRE might want Polish lands.
Teutonic Order might be bad for same reasons as HRE
Mongols would probably not be good accept as "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of deal.
Keep in mind that players can make up whatever alliances they want so these are just my guesses based on my knowledge of the game and history.
_Tristan_
11-08-2007, 20:20
EF: You already have my PW for the last game I'll keep the same...and the same faction if possible, otherwise I don't mind who I'm playing...
_Tristan_
11-08-2007, 20:21
Doug, it would be worthwhile to have you as Lithuania...
Doug-Thompson
11-08-2007, 20:25
Doug, it would be worthwhile to have you as Lithuania...
and
Lithuania maybe for while they are a different religion they would both fear the Teutonic Order.
and it would be a challenge. Very well, I'll take Lithuania.
I keep the MONGOLS
start this soon please. All this time is killing the game entusiasm
okay I'll add you both to the list, Doug will you be keeping the same password? And MOSH can you PM what yours will be please? We'll start once most of the factions are filled.
If you have trouble finding people I'd be happy to join. Novgorod would be my first choice, then Poland (both with no players listed on the first page). Of course, I'd take any opening you need filled.
okily doke you can have Novgorod, can you PM me what your password will be as well please?
okily doke you can have Novgorod, can you PM me what your password will be as well please?
Will do.
Doug-Thompson
11-08-2007, 23:26
Doug will you be keeping the same password?
Sure will. Let's keep things simple.
okay excellent, I think peevergreen is a little busy in RL right now so I'll pick a faction and start the game again tomorrow, once I have everyone's passwords. atm I am waitng for: just MOSH and myself lol. we should be rolling again soon.
Privateerkev
11-08-2007, 23:51
Are you gonna be HRE again? *nudge nudge*
^_^
Though I find it funny that the only faction left with no player would be the Teutonic Order. They are kind of the basis for the whole campaign. :laugh4:
Oh, and please tell yourself to tell you the password. :clown:
Doug-Thompson
11-08-2007, 23:54
Though I find it funny that the only faction left with no player would be the Teutonic Order. They are kind of the basis for the whole campaign. :laugh4:
The faction people love to hate, apparently.
I just realized that joining two games in as many days I've ended up with an Orthodox faction on the edge of them map. :clown:
I'll personally be very happy if noone picks the TO, since it means I can play my battles with them. Given the strength of their units in autoresolve, it may be my only chance!
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 00:02
Does Kingdoms Hotseat force you to autoresolve all battles or just PvP ones?
It depends on what settings you pick. I'm just hoping that since in the Crusades Multi Player game you could play out battles with ai controlled armies, you will in this one as well.
Gah! :help:
Novgorod's position in the campaign is rather more precarious than I'd thought. Ah well, it'll still be fun! :clown:
pevergreen
11-09-2007, 14:45
Yeah, i think it may be prudent for me to sit out now, maybe do some study.
Ah well, 3 weeks until the 10 week holiday :grin2:
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 15:04
Does Kingdoms Hotseat force you to autoresolve all battles or just PvP ones?
It really depends on the settings chosen at the start...
The most fair is to autoresolve all battles, which is easier on the AI controlled faction if any...
Otherwise if all factions are player controlled, all battles will be auto...
I will start either tonight or tommorow morning as the HRE, and yes ALL battles will be autoresolved, I simply can't risk people abusing the system, likewise the console will be disabled in case anyone decides to spawn themselves a huge army right where they needed it, not that any of you would do that :beam:
Doug-Thompson
11-09-2007, 19:57
Will this be starting a new game, or picking up where the old one left off with new players?
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 19:59
Totally new since we don't have all of the passwords. You'll get a fresh start as Lithuania.
Any bets on how long it takes all of us to totally dismember the Teutonic Order? They are going to be AI controlled. :laugh4:
don't worry I'm making a new rule: everyone must gift a teritory to the Teutons every 5 turns and fight absolutely no battles with them at all, unless they happen outside your turn. If the leader of any faction fails to comply with this rule they will be shot by the commisars of the USSR.
(actually maybe I'll just ramp up the difficulty to very hard and hope they survive long enough.)
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 20:19
Well since they are surrounded by 4 players who would probably rather fight the AI than each other (at least for now), the TO is going to get totally pawned in a couple turns. :yes:
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 21:04
For the fun of the game should we not recruit a last player to play the TO ?
If not possible, I would accept to change from Poland to TO... If not too late
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 21:08
If you change, there will be some major re-negotiations between some factions. The TO is basically already divided among some of us. Though, if you want war with multiple factions at once, it could be fun. :laugh4:
I think the game will still be fun without the TO. Eventually we will all start fighting each other. Pawning the Order allows us to build up a little first.
So yeah, I don't care either way but I'd like to know soon so I can send out some new letters. ^_^
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 21:11
Just wondering what everybody thought about getting a seventh (or is sixth player ?)
It would make things a little more interesting, after all, if it is called Teutonic Campaign not Teutonic Fodder...
Just my two cents...
I understand the need toget started early but I'm sure some well placed posts or PM could get us that last player fast...
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 21:18
It's up to EF. If he wants another player in, cool with me. That player will just have to send letters to pretty much every faction and try to build a relationship real fast. Because there are multiple agreements already to pawn the Order silly. A lot of people want to avoid PvP fighting for a little while so they can build up. Getting a TO player would saddle them with that baggage of basically having a giant target on their backs. I'm sure some people would be willing to re-negotiate arrangements to make allowances for the new player but some might not. As someone said on here, they are the faction people love to hate. The TO has no real natural allies except for the HRE. So the new player would have to convince 5 other players really fast to not dismember him.
I think it's totally possible but it would be fair to let someone know what they are potentially getting themselves into. ^_^
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 21:25
That is one of the reason I volunteered for the TO... I'm prepared to be the sacrificial goat on your pagan altars...
Playing Poland for a newly recruited player should be much easier (it is almost the same faction as in the Main Campaign)...
However, I'll stick to it and try to make short shrift of the TO like everybody else...
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 21:35
I don't want to make it sound impossible, but it would be hard and I would feel bad if a new player came into it not knowing. If you took it, I'd feel better because you know what your getting into. Some players, like Doug, will probably start smacking the Order around no matter what just because of the strategic situation.
But if your staying in Poland your more than welcome to take part in "Teutonic Order Smash 1250". :yes:
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 21:42
Whatever, I'll wait for EF to state his position...
I can envision winning against impossible odds... or losing if I have fun...
Well I want to get this up and running by tommorow so if you can find a new player by then it will be fine, or you could take them anyway and leave Poland to the AI (I had no intention of killing the TO, Poland was gonna be the one getting attacked by me :P - well that depends actually:)
Doug-Thompson
11-09-2007, 22:06
This is a hoot. The only reason I didn't volunteer to take the TO is that I've had quite enough of being Tristan de Castelreng's worst enemy in the Crusades campaign.
My first preference is to leave things the way they are.
If we cannot find another player, how about Tristan taking the Order and me taking Poland? Or letting Tristan keep Poland and I'll take the Order? Let's leave Lithuania — the Pagan Faction — as the AI faction and sacrificial goat.
If we find a new player, let's follow Tristan's suggestion and give Poland to the new guy. I'll keep Lithuania.
I'm not too bothered either way, it's up to you and Tristan.
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 22:26
Posting a thread in the citadel to call for a player and will do the same in the Throne Room afterwards...
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 23:31
Whatever, I'll wait for EF to state his position...
As long as we get to play soon, I really don't care. I usually refrain from talking about IC stuff OOC but I made an exception since the TO was going to be AI controlled and thus would not learn of the horrible things planned for it. But then Tristan really really wanted the TO to have a player so I thought it would only be fair to let it be known that a few of us have painted a big ol' bullseye on TO for our own faction's selfish reasons.
So, I just want to get the factions sorted out. And I want to get going on the diplomacy. I few of us jumped the gun already since EF said the game was set and we were starting today. If we need to redo some deals, because the factions are getting switched around, then thats cool but I just want to know about it. If I knew people would feel sorry for the AI, I might have thought twice about joining in on the TO pile on. Then maybe again, I might not have. ^_^
Next time I think we should make clear if the game factions are set in stone or not before we start making backroom deals. Maybe set aside a full day where no more people can join but diplomacy can be worked out before the GM sets up the save game. All of this could have been avoided. :yes:
This plans of havingone faction being AI controlled as a must just for some of you to get fat is nonsonse. Do we want to have fun and really com into the challehnge of the game? them
1-distribute all faction
2- enable the battles. the only rule would be that each battle against another human fortress or castle would need a printscreen posted here.
This way the competiveness the game would increase and we would all try to explore the AI in the field.
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 00:28
Well, we don't "need" an AI controlled faction. It's just that there happened to be one (two if you count Norway) so a few of us planned on taking advantage of it. I really wouldn't mind if the game got filled up. Its just that it hasn't yet. We thought the game was set in stone so a few of us started PM'ing each other and scheming. The AI was going to get pounced on A.) because it would be easier than pouncing on a human controlled faction, B.) we don't feel as bad ganging up on the AI because they will not feel pain or sorrow, and C.) some of us wanted our neighbors going for the AI instead of us.
As for playing out the battles, count me out. I stink at the actual battles. Plus the logistics of getting us all online to fight each other would take forever. We are spread out in different countries and time zones.
So, now the game is not set and diplomacy is in limbo because we are not sure who is playing Poland, Norway, Lithuania, or the Teutonic Order. :dizzy2:
I just want to know who to scheme with... :wall:
:laugh4:
Doug-Thompson
11-10-2007, 00:42
I just want to know who to scheme with... :wall:
:laugh4:
:laugh4: Got to have that intrique fix.
No battles will be fought at all, making people post screen sof all their battles would take too much time (which some people don't have) and make it even easier to beat the AI. I see no problem and the game will start tomorrow morning as planned (GMT) whether we have all player controlled factions or some AI ones, everyone will just have to adapt their diplomacy to suit this. Sorry to sound harsh but I really ant to get this rolling before I become bogged down in exams again.
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 00:59
Got to have that intrique fix. :laugh4:
Well partly it's faction survival. Denmark doesn't have any "natural" allies so they need to invent some pretty quick. Plus scheming is fun. ^_^
Everyone on here so far is big on role playing which definitely adds to the game in my opinion. So that makes the scheming even more fun because people develop personalities and agendas for their faction leaders.
But it's hard to scheme when you don't know who is playing who. Plus I don't want to wait till the game starts because then people will already be playing their turns. I want to get started early and get my alliances worked out. Zim started last night and I thought it was a good idea so I continued it. But we ran into a wall because people learned about the scheming (because I opened my big mouth and joked about how the AI was going to get pawned) so now we have opened recruitment back up. Plus there is talk of people switching factions.
I've learned my lesson and will refrain from even alluding to the evil things some of us are planning for other factions. ^_^
*edited to include EF's post*
When do the factions have to be set in stone and when are you starting the save game? Will there be any time in between the two to work things out between other players? We basically have four factions in limbo right now. :dizzy2:
The factions will be set in stone in aproximately 10 hours (which is when I will start the save game-it willl probably stay the same as it is now anyway), now I'm going to bed :)
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 01:06
Bed!?! It's only 6pm where I am. :D
Alright, I guess I can "kind of scheme but it may change based on who joins/changes factions" until then. ^_^
Doug-Thompson
11-10-2007, 01:11
Well, as I reread the thread, I think it's pretty clear that my wishy-washiness is causing the problem here.
Frankly, I don't want to be the sworn enemy of Tristan in this game and in the Crusades game too, and was looking forward to being on the same team for once. We both have an agressive playing style.
However, it is clear that everybody built their plans around bum-rushing the Teutonic Order. If I abandon Lithuania, then that faction becomes the obvious target and throws off everybody's plan.
Tristan, surrounded on all sides, would be a good fight. Lithuania, left in AI control and attacked from all sides would be a walkover.
Therefore, I'm willing to stay in Lithuania if that's all right with Tristan.
Beyond that, I'm willing to take any faction that Elite Ferret needs me to take.
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 01:24
Well, as I reread the thread, I think it's pretty clear that my wishy-washiness is causing the problem here.
Frankly, I don't want to be the sworn enemy of Tristan in this game and in the Crusades game too, and was looking forward to being on the same team for once. We both have an agressive playing style.
However, it is clear that everybody built their plans around bum-rushing the Teutonic Order. If I abandon Lithuanian, that becomes the obvious target and throws off everybody's plan.
Tristan, surrounded on all sides, would be a good fight. Lithuania, left in AI control and attacked from all sides would be a walkover.
Therefore, I'm willing to stay in Lithuania if that's all right with Tristan.
Beyond that, I'm willing to take any faction that Elite Ferret needs me to take.
No, my joke about slapping the Teutonic Order around is what started this. I let out schemes that were developed in-character because it was about the AI, and thus, I thought no one would mind. But when people learned about these plans, some took issue with them. Thus we are now in a last-minute recruiting drive with a possible faction switcher'roo to boot. None of which would have happened if I was a more sneaky schemer. :yes:
My mistake is a perfect example of why the IC and OOC need to be kept separate. :embarassed:
I should have stayed quiet and have people be surprised when they saw the "faction destroyed" message for the TO on turn 3. :clown:
Doug-Thompson
11-10-2007, 01:27
Hey, you don't get carried away if you're not having fun, right? Whether we stick to the old scheme or have to come up with a new one makes no difference to me.
... Zim started last night ...
Gah! I've been found out! ~;p
I admit that I was looking forward to an AI controlled TO, largely because they have large starting armies and the kind of units (high number stats) that slaughter in autocalced battles, and Novgorod does not (esp early game).
:sweatdrop: At least Doug is still taking Lithuania or I'd be in big trouble...
_Tristan_
11-10-2007, 08:25
I'm sorry to have started all that fuss but I thought that ganging up on the AI was a bit lame IMHO...
That is what's fun about the Crusades Hotseat, no AI to contend with, there are real (and devious :inquisitive: ) human minds, which give a superior and fairer challenge...
It was no luck that I read PK before reading EF post in the thread... :stupid: if I laid waste some of your scheming but I had to play the :devil: advocate for saving the TO
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 10:10
Tristan, have no fear. There will still be plenty of scheming. If anything, killing the AI lets us get at each other faster. If you want in on the scheming, you can start by returning King Knud's letter that he sent yesterday. ^_^
Gah! I've been found out!
Well at least I didn't tell anyone about your secret plan to take Hannover by flying your army there on giant winged unicorns... :D
Well at least I didn't tell anyone about your secret plan to take Hannover by flying your army there on giant winged unicorns... :D
Unicorns are mythical creatures, my army will fly by winged armadillo likeall the other armies. ~;)
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 10:17
Unicorns are mythical creatures, my army will fly by winged armadillo likeall the other armies. ~;)
I prefer floating turtles. Comes from my years of playing warcraft 2...
Ok, we're talking about giant troop transporting animals. We clearly need this game to start soon... :laugh4:
I prefer floating turtles. Comes from my years of playing warcraft 2...
Ok, we're talking about giant troop transporting animals. We clearly need this game to start soon... :laugh4:
Hmmm...turtles...I wonder if I could train giant sea turtles to ferry my men across the Baltic Sea?
I definately need one of these games to start soon. I actually blew up a screen shot of one of the campaign maps, made copies, and drawing in possible troop movements. Does that make me wierd? :sweatdrop: http://www.xkcd.com/15/
Luckily, if I read one of Elite Ferret's earlier posts correctly, the game is starting in some 5-6 hours or so. Since it's late in my time zone and I'm getting sick, I figure that gives me some decent sleep time and I can et up to find out when my turn is and who starts.
Edit: Link added.
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 10:27
I definately need one of these games to start soon. I actually blew up a screen shot of one of the campaign maps, made copies, and drawing in possible troop movements. Does that make me wierd? :sweatdrop:
Well, I started up a Danish Teutonic SP game just so I could look at the starting positions. (never played this campaign before)
Well, I started up a Danish Teutonic SP game just so I could look at the starting positions. (never played this campaign before)
You may need the cautionary link I added to my post, then. ~;)
Actually, I think alot of people did that. It didn't even occur to me that doing that could be considered a bit odd. Whether that says something about me or that action is up for debate. :clown:
_Tristan_
11-10-2007, 10:56
In fact, I don't even know what the TO looks like in game... poland I of course do, having played a single turn in the precedent hotseat but otherwise I'm a total noob with this campaign...
I prefer the surprise...
Okay I am starting up now (or as soon as I get clear answer as whether Tristan is taking the TO or Poland :P) and Zim don't worry I've made plenty of maps on paint, especially on games like supreme commander.
_Tristan_
11-10-2007, 13:24
OK start me up as the TO for the fun of the game and the challenge...
Sorry if it messes some plans...
I won't be able to play my turn until Sunday afternoon at the soonest... It is a week-end at work for me...
That's okay, I have recieved a PM from a new member of the .org (he has no posts yet) and I'm gona give him untill tomorrow now before I start, this way all factions will be taken.
Doug-Thompson
11-10-2007, 18:28
I definately need one of these games to start soon. I actually blew up a screen shot of one of the campaign maps, made copies, and drawing in possible troop movements. Does that make me wierd? :sweatdrop:
Yes. But I'm a 48 year-old man living in the early 21st century who is obsessed with horse archers. I'm weirder. :egypt:
PerfectOne
11-10-2007, 19:21
Hey all,
I'm the new guy Elite Ferret was talking about. I'd like to try my hand at this PBM thing. I read through some of the other PBM game threads here, and it looked intriguing. TO or Poland is fine with me - I'm not too concerned as I asusme I'll probably be utterly destroyed by veteran players in short order. But the cost will be high...oh so high...
I look forward to matching wits, and swords, with you all.
okay I shall start up the savegame and put up the player table. I think it would be best if you took Poland; then your only possible enemies would be me and the TO. The TO will be completely surrounded as it is so I doubt they will attack you and I am most certainly not a veteran so you have a decent chance of beating me :)
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 19:32
Well the new guy is online now so hopefully he'll come in here and we can get this party started.
Tristan, no reason to apologize. It's more fun if there are more human players. We had just made plans based on EF claiming the game was set with two AI factions. And I opened my big mouth and leaked those plans. No harm, No foul.
^_^
*edit*
Nevermind, PO just posted.
Woot! we get to play!
:D
okay the save has been uploaded here:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2Teutonic-1-1.sav for Tristan
and the table is in the first post; if anyone does not understand the save format please PM me and PerfectOne can you please PM me what your password will be? (this is just in case anyone forgets or is absent for weeks without telling any of us)
Edit: oh and sorry PK I decided not to use the fix, I don't think it will make much difference anyway seeing as the battles are autoresolved and only one unit is actually worth having. Oh and this edit also added the link which I forgot :)
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 19:47
It's cool EF. Like I said, it would be cool to have Kalmar units but not worth any trouble. Looking at the stats, the sword guys are just Zweihanders with new skins. And the axemen are just armored Billmen with new skins. Only the horses are new but not really noteworthy except for being doublesized.
And now that Tristan can't play until sunday, it gives us time to get more diplomacy and "scheming" going. ^_^
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 20:34
Please empty your PM box MOSH :D
Here is the letter I wanted to send you. I have sent this to every other player IC as well so there are no secrets, schemes, or spoilers. It is just in the spoiler tag to save space. ^_^
This message is being sent to every Lord in the Baltic area except the Norwegian King since he is not worth being treated as an equal.
Greetings from King Knud of the Danish Empire,
I have found that it is best to lay out one's plans right away so there is no confusion later. You will find that the Danes can be loyal allies and ferocious enemies.
I wish to lay out what I consider to be my "sphere of influence". I plan on uniting all of Scandinavia under a single flag. It is our rightful and ancient land. Any presence by anyone on Scandinavia will be looked at quite badly by me. Also Norway will eventually be shown the wisdom of joining with their Danish brethren. Until that happens, any trade or show of friendship to the Norwegians will be frowned upon. As stewards of the Baltic Sea, we will require every island port except Arensburg. Finland, while not an island, is so inhospitable up north that it might as well be and will be required as well. I wish to know what each Lord sees as his sphere of influence so there will be no accidents or confusion.
I will also make a pledge to any nation I am at peace with. In addition to refraining from obvious offensive military actions, I also pledge that agents in my employ will behave a certain way. No priest of mine will enter into the lands of anyone who practices a different religion. No merchant of mine will sit on a resource that lies within your borders. No spy or assassin of mine will ever cross our borders.
I would like to establish an embassy in every Lord's capital. I plan on sending a diplomat to every one of you. If you do not wish a Danish diplomat in your lands, just say so and I will respect your wishes. If he is allowed, he will behave and refrain from bribing any of your units. He is just there to serve as a point of contact between you and myself. I also plan on sending my daughter on a diplomatic tour of the Baltic to hone her skills. You have my word that she will not marry one of your lords without your express permission.
In return for my agents behaving a certain way, I ask that your agents behave the same. Any merchant found on a resource in my borders is subject to be acquired by my own merchants. I will hold you ultimately responsible for the behavior of your agents and will see certain actions, such as sabotage, assassination, fomenting rebellion in my cities, acquirement within my borders, bribery, marriage without my permission, and religious conversion of my people, as hostile acts.
This letter is not meant to over ride any previous agreement made in private with any specific Lord. It is just meant to serve as a baseline for diplomatic talks and to lay out my general goals and policies. I welcome comments and continued negotiations.
To a long and prosperous future,
King Knud
Doug-Thompson
11-10-2007, 20:41
Hey all,
I'm the new guy Elite Ferret was talking about. I'd like to try my hand at this PBM thing. I read through some of the other PBM game threads here, and it looked intriguing. TO or Poland is fine with me - I'm not too concerned as I asusme I'll probably be utterly destroyed by veteran players in short order. But the cost will be high...oh so high...
I look forward to matching wits, and swords, with you all.
Greetings, PerfectOne. Thanks for solving our AI faction problem.:2thumbsup:
Don't worry, I don't think many of us are veterans at hotseat campaigns. At least, this is my first... :sweatdrop:
Hey all,
I'm the new guy Elite Ferret was talking about. I'd like to try my hand at this PBM thing. I read through some of the other PBM game threads here, and it looked intriguing. TO or Poland is fine with me - I'm not too concerned as I asusme I'll probably be utterly destroyed by veteran players in short order. But the cost will be high...oh so high...
I look forward to matching wits, and swords, with you all.
_Tristan_
11-10-2007, 21:55
Welcome PerfectOne...
Don't worry, nobody here can be called a vet... Even taking part in 3 PBM and with years of playing TW titles behind me, I can still learn a few tricks...
Sorry to bog down everybody but my gaming PC is in the room where my 2-weeks old daughter is sleeping...(or trying to...~:mecry: )
I think I'll be able to post the save by the end of the afternoon Sunday...
I'll keep you posted if otherwise...
Not only, I risk to be the sacrificial goat but I get to play the first turn so totally blind to what you have in store for me...
Nevermind, an OrdenRitter is afraid of nothing or no-one...
We will bring the light of the Church to the darkness of the North...
@ King Knud : Brave words... But will you have power enough to enforce your policy ?
Only God is your bond...
Privateerkev
11-10-2007, 22:03
Sorry to bog down everybody but my gaming PC is in the room where my 2-weeks old daughter is sleeping...(or trying to...~:mecry: )
Some things are more important than gaming. :D
Plus, I wanted extra time for diplomacy anyways so this works out fine. ^_^
@ King Knud : Brave words... But will you have power enough to enforce your policy ?
Only time will tell. :D
:2thumbsup: One more day until the first turn starts!!
_Tristan_
11-11-2007, 11:40
Shouldn't we set some victory conditions for the Mongol player ?
It being a non-playable faction, it has no victory conditions, nor objectives ?
So, MOSH007 has no way to be considered a winner except with total annihilation of us all... Bit harsh on him...
We could set up something along the lines of :
Hold 45 provinces
Destroy either Poland, Lithuania or Novgorod (those being the more eastern and steppe-like factions)
I would advocate Novgorod but any other will do
Hold settlements : Kiev, Poznan and any other you think should do.
What do you think ?
_Tristan_
11-11-2007, 18:12
:birthday2:
TA-DAH !!!
I hereby announce that the Teutonic Campaign is now officially started
Play and have fun...
Save is here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2Teutonic-1-2.sav)
:birthday2:
Privateerkev
11-11-2007, 19:53
Shouldn't we set some victory conditions for the Mongol player ?
It being a non-playable faction, it has no victory conditions, nor objectives ?
So, MOSH007 has no way to be considered a winner except with total annihilation of us all... Bit harsh on him...
We could set up something along the lines of :
Hold 45 provinces
Destroy either Poland, Lithuania or Novgorod (those being the more eastern and steppe-like factions)
I would advocate Novgorod but any other will do
Hold settlements : Kiev, Poznan and any other you think should do.
What do you think ?
I like your ideas regarding the Mongol victory conditions. I didn't realize that he didn't have any.
Holding 45 seems good since it's what we all have.
Destroying Novograd would seem like the more logical of the three options. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? My history of this area and time period is very deficient.
Holding Kiev makes a lot of sense. Poznan is a good candidate for a second. Maybe Vilnius or Novograd for a 3rd?
Destroy Novgorod? Is this pick on the Russians day? :clown:
Does anyone know the full extent of the Mongol conquests in the region? That would help picking the required cities.
Privateerkev
11-11-2007, 20:12
lol
It may have been better if we decided this before the game started. But, we should probably figure it out now.
I don't think there does not necessarily have to be a "destroy faction X" goal for the Mongols. Not all of us have them. They seemed more into conquest and didn't seem too picky on who it was.
Maybe just hold a couple cities. The city of Novograd makes sense because the Mongols did get pretty far into Russia. Maybe Smolensk instead but that almost seems too easy.
Or maybe even consider just giving him the goal of "45 territories". He is landlocked and in some ways in a kind of weak position. Also, that would let him pick his own enemies and strategy.
I dunno. I'm kind of brainfarting on how to make it fair. Maybe we could just pass the decision off to EF and have him make an executive GM decision. ^_^
I don't really care if he has "Destroy Novgorod" as a faction goal. :clown:
Personally if it were me, my goal as the Mongols would be conquering the whole map. :whip:
Just out of curiosity, what kind of play styles do you guys hav concerning winning? This and the Crusades campaign are my first(and the Crusades campaign has nearly impossible goals for the Byz, spanning the whole map). I'm taking both games kind of like I do in Europa Universalis. I want my country to survive, and become strong if possible, and to influence events in the game. I don't think much about the victory conditions.
What about you guys?
Same here, I'm not gonna worry about the games victory conditions, I have my own plans and don't really care what the game has to say :)
Privateerkev
11-11-2007, 22:08
EF: Seeing as HRE's goals are to "destroy the Danes", I am very happy to hear you say that. :clown:
But on a more serious note, I don't take the victory conditions too seriously. For me they are "glorious achievements". Things to shoot for if I can't think of any original goals for Denmark. I just want to play and have fun. If I happen to hit the goals, cool. If not, I don't care. The only thing the victory conditions help with is in learning the history of the area. And it influences my diplomacy. But I won't stick to it too strictly. If I'm having fun and have a great alliance with "faction X", then I'm not going to attack them all because my goals say to.
Doug-Thompson
11-12-2007, 04:34
2Teutonic-1-3 is up.
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 04:53
Are we continuing the policy of informing each other of what happens to the other? Tristan and Doug seemed to have worked out a good compromise in the Crusade thread.
Here is what I will do. After I finish my turn, I will PM a person OOC and tell them what they would find out in a SP game. I will tell them if my agents succeed or fail against them. And if I besiege or take a city. If I occupy, sack, or exterminate their city. If I attack their armies. If I attack their ships or blockade their ports.
In my opinion, this is stuff they should know anyways but the MP format puts the burden on us instead of the game. That way, they can immediatly react and have updates on their faction. But it keeps it secret from the rest of the game which one or both of the people involved might want.
Any thoughts or suggestions? I'll do something like this no matter what. What you guys do is up to you but I would appreciate at least some news in private if something big happens to Denmark. :D
Doug-Thompson
11-12-2007, 05:04
There's nothing much for me to report, Privateerkev. I took one rebel settlement because I could reach it.
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 05:10
No I mean if you did something to me (which you obviously didn't) then I'd like a PM about it. I definitly wasn't asking for people to report on things in public. ^_^
In fact, I don't want to know OOC about what else happens around the map. I rather find out in-character through allies or having my units snoop around. I just want to know in private what the game would tell me anyways at the beginning of a turn. :D
Is it my turn now? I'll pick up the save right away.
Could someone translate the numbers in the save file for me? So I know what to name mine when I put it up.
2Teutonic-1-3 is up=player 2, turn 1, for player 3?
Doug-Thompson
11-12-2007, 06:18
turn 1, for player 3?
Yep. So when you're done, post 2Teutonic-1-4
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 06:57
The 2 in "2Teutonic" is to mean the 2nd Teutonic hotseat. So 2Teutonic-1-3 means: 2nd Teutonic game/ 1st turn/ ready for player 3.
2Teutonic-1-4 is uploaded and ready for Elite Ferret. :2thumbsup:
Nothing to report publicly or privately, as I did jack squat to other players this turn.
_Tristan_
11-12-2007, 10:19
Are we continuing the policy of informing each other of what happens to the other? Tristan and Doug seemed to have worked out a good compromise in the Crusade thread.
Here is what I will do. After I finish my turn, I will PM a person OOC and tell them what they would find out in a SP game. I will tell them if my agents succeed or fail against them. And if I besiege or take a city. If I occupy, sack, or exterminate their city. If I attack their armies. If I attack their ships or blockade their ports.
In my opinion, this is stuff they should know anyways but the MP format puts the burden on us instead of the game. That way, they can immediatly react and have updates on their faction. But it keeps it secret from the rest of the game which one or both of the people involved might want.
Any thoughts or suggestions? I'll do something like this no matter what. What you guys do is up to you but I would appreciate at least some news in private if something big happens to Denmark. :D
I agree with you about any military action undertaken against any other player, but this campaign starts differently than the Crusades one where Doug and I were enemies from the start...
In this present one, it is a free-for-all and some shady dealings might preferably remain so... I won't notify any player of any assassination I might succeed in nor any merchant buy-out, this is what spies are for...
I think it better to let the doubt stand on who was the perpetrator...
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 17:22
PO, please clear your inbox.
Tristan, well the game doesn't tell you who successfully assassinates you so I understand that. Maybe a general message from the GM after all turns are played for those kind of things. That way were informed that we lost an agent but don't know who did it.
As for acquisitions, the SP game would tell me about one and it would tell me who did it. Ironically you were the one that brought this up in the Crusade thread. I could try to keep track of all of my merchants but I would still appreciate a heads up. I figure you deserve to know what the SP game would tell you. Of course, since your merchant wouldn't be invisible like a spy or assassin, this isn't too big of an issue.
So, if you won't tell me about merchant take-overs, I'll just try to keep track of my merchants and keep an eye on things in my territory. I'll still tell you when I do it though because the SP game would tell you. ^_^
I'll tell people about merchant acquisitions, since the game normally does that in SP.
Assassinations, on the other hand, I might pm to EF so he can announce them (since the game normally tells you if you've lost a family member, but not to who). Sabotages don't seem worth the bother(I don't care if I'm told) but I can do the same for them if people think it's a good idea.
Of course, this assumes I succeed in doing any of these things, which is doubtful as I suck with agents.
Edit: Does this mean there won't be any story thread like for the Crusades campaign?
_Tristan_
11-12-2007, 21:27
I'm all for starting a write-up thread and will do it ASAP...
EDIT : Write-up thread is up and running...
Link is here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=95064)
But do not feel obliged to take part or anything... It is just that sometimes I like to boast...
@ PK : I know that I was the one that brought up the subject on Crusades but further thinking on my part (that is my problem I sometimes speak before I give full thought to the matter) led me to the statement I made in this thread... plus, the situation was really different...
And it was the sudden disappearance of one of my merchants (to a still-unknown hand) that led me to take such a position...
About hostile actions by agents, you would be notified in SP but without knowing who did it... The problem here is that you can't bring it to the player's attention without denouncing yourself... On merchant take-overs, they can be construed as hostile and therefore I think that they should be given the same treatment...
Btw forgive any shortcomings in my English... I'm the French here...
I think I'll do a writeup as well. I also have some faint idea of taking notes through the game and putting up a Russian AAR of the game to advertise hotseat campaigns(after the campaign ends).
Edit: Has anyone heard from MOSH or PO? Neither has been around the thread lately.
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 22:24
PO emptied his mailbox when I asked him to in here. We still haven't actually spoken over PM's but he has been around and he does read them (I think). ^_^
Tristan, in the SP games your told your merchant gets acquired and then your able to zoom to the spot. Which means you pretty much figured out who did it. I think you get the name of the offending merchant as well in your announcement. That's why I will tell you if my merchants get greedy. It's because I think you'd know about it. Then your King can react accordingly with rage and anger. :D
As for not knowing who did it, I'd be up for PM'ing EF if my assassins ever successfully killed or sabotaged. Then he could PM the victim before their next turn starts and just tell them that someone died and no one knows who did it. In SP, you know your agent was killed but not who the assassin belonged to.
Now if the agent action fails, I think you should definitely know about it because the game does tell you who tried to do it.
_Tristan_
11-12-2007, 22:30
I'll give it some thought...
Moreover, like i said in the write-up thread, I really like to boast... So I maybe let some things slip...
playing my turn now :)
:2thumbsup: Woohoo!!!! Not too much longer and another turn bites the dust. :charge:
hmmmm is the .org uploader broken again? Whenever I try to download a file it comes up with a screen of code...
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 23:08
It's because it isn't zipped. Just copy the file and paste it directly into your M2TW Teutonic save file. It will show. I went through the same thing with my one Crusade turn I played a few days ago.
It won't even let me download the file, I never zip my saves anyway for hotseat. For me this link: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2Teutonic-1-4.sav turns out as a web page that looks like this:
Edit: code no longer needed and problem fixed
Doug-Thompson
11-12-2007, 23:16
hmmmm is the .org uploader broken again? Whenever I try to download a file it comes up with a screen of code...
and
It's because it isn't zipped. Just copy the file and paste it directly into your M2TW Teutonic save file. It will show. I went through the same thing with my one Crusade turn I played a few days ago.
I had exactly the same problem — when using Firefox for my web browser.
I opened in it Windows Explorer and had no problem.
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 23:19
Yeah, I use firefox. I was still able to save it directly to my save folder. If I was at home, I'd do it and tell you step by step. Or you could just do what Doug said which seems a lot easier.
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 23:22
Ok, you can still use firefox. Just click the link and it will go to a new tab. Go to the tab. Then "save as", and find your Teutonic save folder. It should be good and you should find it as a savegame when you enter your Teutonic Campaign.
Yes using internet explorer worked, strange, this has never happened before...
Playing now...
Edit: done and uploaded for PK:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2Teutonic-1-5.sav
I'm sorry guys. :shame:
Should I zip them from now on?
no it wasn't the zip file, I have downlaoded my own unzipped files and others without problem. It is funny as when it was the uplaoder that broke it showed exactly what it does now, probably just something wrong with firefox.
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 23:44
You should only zip if you don't want people to get jealous... :laugh4:
Ok, bad joke. The Kingdoms files are so small, they don't need to be zipped. If it saves people from having to do an extra step, I won't zip the file.
Ok then. Just wanted to make sure.
Now to continue with my spamming.
Another turn down!:birthday2: ~:cheers:
Doug-Thompson
11-12-2007, 23:52
... probably just something wrong with firefox.
Or with Windows. While I don't think Microsoft is the kingdom of the wicked or that Gates is Satan. However, I don't imagine that Microsoft worries much about Firefox compatibility when they patch Windows. I've noticed the same sort of problems with other websites.
Privateerkev
11-12-2007, 23:52
Yeah, sorry but I'm at that school-type place where I need to have a couple dozen pages typed up by tomorrow afternoon. So I won't get to the save for another 7-9 hours or so. :dizzy2:
PerfectOne
11-13-2007, 07:48
Edit: Has anyone heard from MOSH or PO? Neither has been around the thread lately.
I'm around. I read my PMs, but I'm still developing my strategy so it takes a while to respond to them. Apologies. I know there are at least 2 PMs in my inbox (which is incredibly small, btw...only 10 PMs allowed :no:) that are awaiting response. I promise I will get to them in the next day!
I'm around. I read my PMs, but I'm still developing my strategy so it takes a while to respond to them. Apologies. I know there are at least 2 PMs in my inbox (which is incredibly small, btw...only 10 PMs allowed :no:) that are awaiting response. I promise I will get to them in the next day!
~:eek: 10? Wow, they're tough on junior members. Well, posting in places like this is a good way to get membership status(and at least one mod frequents these forums). Try posting a bit, and you should get a much more respectable PM box(mine is 120 max).
Not replying is fine, and ignoring diplomatic missives(or taking time to consider them) is a strategy itself, I was just a bit worried that you hadn't posted here since that first day. :yes:
_Tristan_
11-13-2007, 08:31
One solution to expand your inbox is simply to ask the mod (Econ21) making reference to your taking part in this PBM and the necessary PM exchanges ...
I did it and my limit expanded exponentially...
Privateerkev
11-13-2007, 09:19
Here's the save. Enjoy :2thumbsup:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2Teutonic-1-6.sav
Alright! :2thumbsup:
PerfectOne, you're up.
PerfectOne
11-14-2007, 08:38
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2Teutonic-1-7.sav is now up.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2Teutonic-1-7.sav is now up.
Alright, about four more turns to go until mine starts. :yes:
Privateerkev
11-14-2007, 16:37
We've had 6 turns in 4 days. I like the pace of this. :D
_Tristan_
11-14-2007, 18:26
Don't want to be a killjoy, but the first turns are usually pretty fast...
Anyway, I hope we keep to the fast lane...
Privateerkev
11-14-2007, 19:04
Don't want to be a killjoy, but the first turns are usually pretty fast...
Anyway, I hope we keep to the fast lane...
No, your right.
I just dig that we've all been pretty diligent with picking up the save within 24 hours. :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
11-16-2007, 10:05
I guess I spoke too soon. It's now been past 48 hours. Does Mosh know he's up next?
_Tristan_
11-16-2007, 16:29
His inbox is full...
Let's hope he checked the thread...
I'll give him a few more days and then we can find a replacement, he hasn't used a password yet after all.
Privateerkev
11-16-2007, 17:44
4 days its two much time...the game is blocked.
Can someone contact the player?
THERE SHOULD BE A TIME LIMIT FOR A PLAYER TO PLAY IS TURN...5 DAYS WITHOUT ANYTHING SHOULD HAVE A CONSEQUENCE-SKIP THE TURN AND NEXT PLAYER PLAY.
Ah the irony... ^_^
_Tristan_
11-16-2007, 18:04
Ah the irony... ^_^
Yeah... I think I posted something of the sort sometime ago...
Or was it in a PM ? :inquisitive:
Can't remember...:wall:
Next turn...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2Teutonic-2-1.sav
Hi guys !
How's the game going, any screens of the map ? Any settlements taken etc ?
Doug-Thompson
11-17-2007, 04:11
Greetings, Sinan!
No, we had to start all over again.
Greetings Doug ! Oh well... I'll hang around and see how it's going.
You shouldn't have to wait Sinan, I think we have quite a few wars going on right from the start.
_Tristan_
11-17-2007, 10:19
Yes, wait a bit more and you will have some update in the write-up thread...
Ok. Ahh Thanks I just noticed that thread. Looking forward to it.
BTW Tristan that MesoAmerican AAR is art! Tres BIEN fait !
Ah the irony... ^_^
you are right ... but since the previous game pace was so slow i though it would keep going...
never happen again sorry for blocking the game.
Hi guys !
How's the game going, any screens of the map ? Any settlements taken etc ?
rule we could implement is:
- when any battle against another human occours (field battle or any city/castle/fortress batle) the SS of the vistory/defeat should be posted here.
This rule WOULD NOT aplly to any battle against the Computer.
this will be like in real world, where i would only know the position of the adversary if any battle with him really happens. I would never know the battles against the rebels but i would also know the battles against other human via the information that would be widespread through out the region and Spying of course.
what do you think?
I think SSs of battle results should only be sent to the other player involved, via PM. This way it is almost a complete mystery as to what is happening in the other Kingdoms to those who are far away and don't have strong diplomatic relations or spies in the area.
_Tristan_
11-17-2007, 15:57
I will post only in the write-up thread... So if you want to know what is happening to the TO, check the thread... If you don't, don't...
I will send PM also...
EDIT : Btw, will play my turn this evening (GMT+1)
PerfectOne
11-17-2007, 20:59
I will be afk from Sunday night until next Sunday morning (all next week). It probably won't matter since we're going sorta slow, but just heads up.
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