Grand Campaign Hotseat 2: The Rising Storm

[GeneralHankerchief]

You actually broke off the siege to kill my guys?

That's impressive.

[Ferret]

uhhhh yeah, sure that's what I did :inquisitive:

but I captured Tunis as well so I'm not sure how that's possible

[GeneralHankerchief]

Aha, I see.

Luckily you have been weakened up enough for my main force to swoop in and finish you off easier.

Thanks! :yes:

[Ferret]

sure go ahead, I'll just take Algiers while it has no garrison as well. Oh and I wonder how the Pope would feel about a crusade in your general direction?

[rossahh]

EF, the link doesn't work, and I've searched the directory and there isn't a turn #5 file for Milan, so are you sure you uploaded it?

[Zim]

Checked it myself just now and noted the same thing. Probably had a problem uploading it. I'll pm EF.

[OverKnight]

Just a note that I'll be away from Feb 20 to Feb 28. I'll post again when it gets closer and work out a sub.

[Zim]

:juggle2: Hmmm....what to do about the Sicily turn situation. No reply to my pm yet. I suppose if it comes to it I can play the turn and try to do whatever it was he did.

[Zim]

Crap. EF still hasn't read my pm. I'll be playing a turn for one of my other hotseats later in the day. EF gave me the go ahead to sub his turns if he's ever unavailable way back, and we're allies. I guess I'll do it, trying to recreate his turn (attackign GH's army, taking Tunis). If anytime before that, or before the next player gets to his turn, EF gets his save up, play off of that one though.

[Ferret]

sorry I was in Spain, I only announced it in the KotR thread though. I'm back now and will try to re-upload the save.

edit: the uploader keeps saying 'please choose an existing file to upload' even though the save has been selected, can I e-mail this to someone and they upload it because nothing I try works.

actually I'll quickly try the alternate uploader.

edit2: http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Milan.rar should work this time

[rossahh]

All done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-5-Byzantine.rar

However I tried it and it doesn't work just like EF's one didn't. Where else can I put it?

[Zim]

Here's the backup upload link.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbmupload.php

[rossahh]

I'll try it again.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Byzantine.rar

[_Tristan_]

Save for Russia

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Russia.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Moors.rar

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll get to this (and my other Hotseat) today.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's yours, OK.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Turks.zip

[Ramses II CP]

Denmark is up!

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Denmark.zip

:egypt:

[Zim]

Woohoo! We're moving again. :beam:

I take it you're subbing for OK while he's gone, Ramses? :yes:

Denmark is being subbed by Doug-Thompson while deguerra is away, I'll pm him.

[OverKnight]

Yup, Ramses will be doing my next turn. Hopefully he's not planning the Mother of All Backstabs. :wink:

[Zim]

Since your turn comes up right before his, the fun thing for him to do as a sub is to have one of your diplomats offer him all your territories but your capital and a large number of florins each turn. :clown:

[Doug-Thompson]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Portugal.zip is up.

[gibsonsg91921]

ok, ill get to 'er sometime today.

[gibsonsg91921]

taking the save and playing now

[gibsonsg91921]

save uploaded

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Poland.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-5-Hungary.zip

Cannot PM Cheetah. His box is full.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Zim, I think the Council thread is due for an update. :yes:

[gibsonsg91921]

dangit! all the catholic player's ain't on now.

[Zim]

Indeed. It appears we have a new war on our hands. So I take it that it's the Moors on one side and at least Portugal and Sicily on the other?


Zim, I think the Council thread is due for an update. :yes:

Do you mean not online?


dangit! all the catholic player's ain't on now.

[Zim]

Cheetah was online a few days ago, but hasn't answer a pm I sent him a long while back, and has missed three turns in one of my other hotseats. We will likely have to find a sub for him.

[GeneralHankerchief]

From what I gather, Portugal/Moors and Sicily/Moors are two entirely separate conflicts.

If a Crusade is called, then I think they'll be united but basically I'm fighting a two-theater war against unaffiliated opponents currently.

[Zim]

Ok, I'll put them in as separate wars for now.

I opened a poll thread here in the throne room about assassin use. I'll just go along with whatever the majority of players think is best. :yes:

[Zim]

Ok, I deleted a few of the dead conflicts and added the wars between the Moors and Sicily, and the Moors and Portugal. :yes:

[gibsonsg91921]

sicily and portugal aren't aligned, but portugal is aligned with milan and they're both in the CoI

[Zim]

So, Cheetah's inbox is still full and he hasn't been online in 3-4 days (and hasn't played the last few turns in the Britannia hotseat).

If FactionHeir or Tristan would like to sub after the 24 hour limit expires, they can, or I can. I'd prefer one of the three of us do it, since we're allied to Hungary. Barring that, somebody not in this hotseat could do it.

Considering Cheetah's rather longish absence from the other hotseat, it may be that he's decided not to continue playing hotseat games. I will keep trying to pm him. If no answer is forthcoming, I may have to find a new player for Hungary.

[_Tristan_]

Go for a new player but be sure to tell him that Cheetah resurfaces, he might have to stop subbing for him...

[Ferret]

sicily and portugal aren't aligned...

not yet :eyebrows:

Also it should be the Italian Coalition versus the Moors rather than Sicily, even if you aren't directly involved at this moment in time we are still one diplomatic body.

[gibsonsg91921]

It should have been the League of Catalonia, lol

[Ferret]

that can be arranged if all factions agree....

edit: oops, I think I read that wrong, I meant we could arrange the UN or something uniting the Iberians and the Italians.

[gibsonsg91921]

Yeah, that would be pretty tight.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Bring it.

[Ferret]

I would stand up to that challenge but I'll probably be annihilated by you just like I have in every other hotseat lol

[gibsonsg91921]

I just stink, so I need huge amounts of help.

[barcamartin]

My first turn in this hotseat has been played. Long live king Lazló and the Kingdom of Hungary (and of course her noble allies).

England, you're up !

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-6-England.zip

[_Tristan_]

Welcome barca...:2thumbsup:

[barcamartin]

Thank you ! :beam:

[Tran]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-6-France.zip

It's now :france: turn

[Zim]

As everyone can see I've asked Barcamartin to sub for Cheetah. Given that the latter has a. not been on in a week, b. not played a hotseat turn in much longer than that (in particular I'm thinking of the Britannia campaign, where the turns have gone faster), and c. has not returned my last pm to him, there is a strong likelihood that Barcamartin will be our permanant Hungary player.

I told him as much as I could about Hungary's diplomatic situation with its neighbors, but if anyone has any special deals with Hungary they should pm him. :yes:

Welcome to the game, Barcamartin. :2thumbsup:

I've also talked to Roadkill, and he may not be playing in this hotseat any more. I'm waiting for confirmation, since the context of our pms made it unclear whether it was just the Britannia campaign or both that he couldn't play in anymore. If he can't play anymore, I'll try as hard as possible to find a new player for France. Switching the country to AI control would open up a huge vacuum in western Europe, so I'd like to avoid doing so if possible.

[_Tristan_]

Aside from some new player volunteering, Doug might want to jump in as France

[Zim]

Ok, Roadkill got back to me and he's unable to play in either hotseat. I'll talk to Doug.

[The Wandering Scholar]

Is this the one zim?

[Zim]

Yep. :yes: I pmed you the password. Welcome to the game. :2thumbsup:


Is this the one zim?

[The Wandering Scholar]

Thanks

[_Tristan_]

Who will you play, Tom0 ?

France ?

Welcome...

[The Wandering Scholar]

ok, not sure if zim is active..

I have played my turn, i haven't hit end turn yet. what do i do now?

sorry for my noobishness

[Zim]

Tristan de Castelreng Yep, he's playing France now. :yes:

Tom0 Just sent you a pm. In the stickied threads for the throneroom, there's one with an upload linnk. They like it if you zip the file first to save space.

If you upload then go to the list, right click on your save, and choose "copy shortcut" you can paste a link to the save here, but it's not neccessary.

[Zim]

Ok, this should be the right one, despite the name (I think it overwrote the old one, sinceit's showing as having been uploaded a few minutes ago).

The name would normally be 2GCH-6-HRE, translating from gibberish to English as the 2nd Grand Campaign Hotseat, turn 6, Holy Roman Empire's turn.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-France.zip

[The Wandering Scholar]

Ahh yes of course,-HRE my apologies..

[Zim]

No worries, actually, I could see a naming system where you used the name of the faction you just played rather than the next one up working.

All of the hotseat naming conventions are completely arbitrary, and everyone uses a slightly different one. :clown:

[Cecil XIX]

Looks like I've got a full plate from the Throne Room here. Ah well, I'll take care of it in turn. I think I'll wait 'til tomorrow to take care of this, though.

[Cecil XIX]

Spain's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Spain.zip)

[gibsonsg91921]

Spain is in fact, Mrs. Zim, but thank you for your good playerisming!

[Cecil XIX]

Ah, whoops. :sweatdrop:

[deguerra]

hey guys. just wanted to say im back. ill happily take over denmark again, and thanks very much Doug for subbing

[Zim]

Welcome back, deguerra. I think you might be up in the Teutonic game. :yes:

[Zim]

Sicily's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Sicily.zip

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sicily's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Sicily.zip

EF, just so you know, that ship right near you has one diplomat bound for Rome. It's not carrying an army or anything.

[phonicsmonkey]

Hotseat junkies, sign up here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=99702) and now for the Broken Crescent Hotseat: Commanders of the Faithful.

Factions going fast, get involved in the hotseat event of the year!

[Ferret]

EF, just so you know, that ship right near you has one diplomat bound for Rome. It's not carrying an army or anything.

sure that's what they all say :clown:

it will be left alone.

[Ferret]

milan:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Milan.rar

[rossahh]

Milan is done so it's the Byzantines turn.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-6-Byzantine.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

sorry to spam your thread but I wanted to drop back in here to say we had a great response on the first day of recruitment for the BC hotseat - we have nine players, including a first-time hotseater

however, many of the major factions are still up for grabs including the ayyubids (mamluks!), georgians (cool heavy infantry and knights), turkish sultanate, ghaznavids (invade india..go on, you know you want to) and khwarezm shah (powerful, but first in line for the mongol invasion)

so come on and book your places!

[Zim]

BC is a great mod, on a level with EB in my opinion. If anyone is interested they should check it and/or phonicsmonkey's pbm out. :2thumbsup:

FactionHeir addressed something in the MPC that I think is pertinent here. That is the issue of exploits. I don't like exploits because I think they create a separate set of rules for those players aware of and willing to use them. I believe games like this are more challenging and fun when everyone is clear on the rules from the start.

If anyone has a certain exploit they would like used in the game they should bring it up here. As long as most of the players know about it and are fine with its being used, I'm ok with it. We can then have a poll or something to see what people think. :yes:

[OverKnight]

It looks like at the current pace of the game that I'll be able to play my own turn.

I'll be home within a day.

[Zim]

Is that some sort of crack about how pathetically slow we've been going lately. :clown:

I wonder how Tristan's doing. I thought he was going to play all his hotseat turns this morning, but if I am correct about the time zone he's in that morning is quickly slipping away...


It looks like at the current pace of the game that I'll be able to play my own turn.

I'll be home within a day.

[_Tristan_]

Will be up shortly...

[_Tristan_]

Double post for better visibility...

Here the save for Russia

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Russia.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Moors.rar

[GeneralHankerchief]

Turkey's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Turks.zip

[Zim]

What do you know, Overknights was wrong about his turn coming up after he got back. I'm as shocked as he would be. :beam:

Anyway, he gets back tomorrow, so next turn will likely be done then. :2thumbsup:

[GeneralHankerchief]

PM'd him already. I think he'll be able to do it in good time.

[Ramses II CP]

Yeah, there's no reason for me to sub when he'll be back almost immediately.

:egypt:

[Zim]

GeneralHankerchief and Ramses: My thoughts exactly. I just wanted an excuse to note how fast we're going again. :2thumbsup:

[OverKnight]

Hoisted by my own petard.

I've been travelling all day, so I will be playing after I get some sleep. It'll be within the 24 hour window.

[OverKnight]

Sorry for the delay, I've developed a nasty cold.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Egypt.zip

[Ramses II CP]

Danes are up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Danes.zip

Ahh, one of those airplane colds? Doncha just love that?

:egypt:

[Ferret]

maybe it was the shock of returning to the freezing US after visiting sunny England :clown:

[The Wandering Scholar]

haha *looks out at gale force winds* ohh the irony lol

[deguerra]

Portugal is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Portugal.rar

[gibsonsg91921]

Poland and FH:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Poland.zip

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-6-Hungary.zip

His PM box is full (again)

[barcamartin]

I guess you are referring to Cheetah, since I have plenty of room in mine. But as I am subbing for Cheetah until he returns I'll take this turn aswell! :D

England, you're up !

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-7-England.zip

[FactionHeir]

That must be why I am still waiting for a Hungarian princess to show up :tongue:

[barcamartin]

You're Poland, right ? I have a princess headed that way, she just took a detour. ;)

[The Wandering Scholar]

I must say my excitement is ebbing away like water through cupped hands..

[GeneralHankerchief]

I must say my excitement is ebbing away like water through cupped hands..

a) There's something like 16-17 players. It's going to take a while to get through an entire turn.

b) You're up after England (current turn), so don't worry. :yes:

c) Start a war. That always helps. :evilgrin:

[Zim]

What GH said. :clown:

Turns tend to move a bit slowly in hotseat games, especially with lots of players. It's the price of being able to play the campaign MP.

Starting a war does tend to liven things up a bit, especially if your target is a faction controlled by Tristan. Being too far away from him, you could always invade all of your neighbors and get much the same effect. :beam:


I must say my excitement is ebbing away like water through cupped hands..

[rossahh]

But don't be that keen to start a war with your neighbours, especially when they're all inter-allied.

[Zim]

That's why I said fighting all of his neighbors would be like fighting Tristan alone. :clown:

We have a lot of players, and people are still mostly going after rebel settlements. Things should get more exciting as the rebel settlements get filled and some wars start happening, and fewer players will result, making for a faster game.


But don't be that keen to start a war with your neighbours, especially when they're all inter-allied.

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-France.zip

France's turn.


Start a war.
Well, unless you want to end up like Scotland, then you are welcomed to try ~;)
And Zim, I think the list of players on the first page needs to be updated.

[Zim]

Done.


http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-France.zip

France's turn.


Well, unless you want to end up like Scotland, then you are welcomed to try ~;)
And Zim, I think the list of players on the first page needs to be updated.

[The Wandering Scholar]

Whay here we go..

[The Wandering Scholar]

Where is the uploader?

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's in the first post under the "A Filespace for PBM" thread (stickied), or, if that one's not working, find the alternate uploader in the last post in that same thread.

[The Wandering Scholar]

Thanks GH

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-HRE.sav

I think I have done that correctly.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Next time compress it into either a ZIP or RAR file (to save space) but yeah, looks like you did it right. :yes:

[The Wandering Scholar]

Ahh of course sorry about that. Next time i'll manage to do it right lol. Do I need to pm Cecil?

[gibsonsg91921]

It's nice to, but you don't have to.

[rossahh]

Rule #3 says we do

[Zim]

It's preferred that you pm the next player in line. :yes: Keeps things moving a little faster.

[The Wandering Scholar]

Pm'd

[Cecil XIX]

Spain's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Spain.zip)

[Zim]

Ok, we should be able to get the Spanish and Venetian turns uploaded by tomorrow. :yes: I don't have wireless this week so uloading is difficult, but I think I can visit a nearby relative on Saturday and use their connection.

[barcamartin]

Any luck there, Zim ?

[Zim]

Finally got the computer with wireless back.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Sicily.zip

[Ferret]

taking the save

[Ferret]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Milan.rar

Algiers has fallen

[The Wandering Scholar]

plays sombre music folllowed by the samba *does a shaky macarena dance*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nah, my fault. I was one turn away from actually giving it a garrison.

[rossahh]

That's what they all say.


I'll have it in a few minutes.

[rossahh]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Byzantine.rar

[_Tristan_]

Save for Russia

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Russia.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Moors.rar

[GeneralHankerchief]

OverKnight:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Turks.zip

[OverKnight]

I've got plans tonight, I should get to it after work, approx 16 hours.

[Zim]

We're moving along pretty well now.

Just noticed we went right by Scotland's turn with no problems. I remember something happening in the MPC when it came around to then defunct England the first time. Glad to see we didn't have any problems. :yes:

[The Wandering Scholar]

Which faction are we on now?

[Zim]

Turkey.


Which faction are we on now?

[Ramses II CP]

That still happens in the MPC game, where after my turn is done (The last one before the turn of the year) the game moves ahead to the rebels and just stops there. When Tristan, who is France, loads the game though it goes ahead to his turn I believe, though he might've had to enter England's password once.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

That still happens in the MPC game, where after my turn is done (The last one before the turn of the year) the game moves ahead to the rebels and just stops there. When Tristan, who is France, loads the game though it goes ahead to his turn I believe, though he might've had to enter England's password once.

:egypt:

I believe he still has too. When I had to skip his turn I had to put in England's password. Troublesome because I didn't know England's pw. :beam:

[_Tristan_]

Right, I have to enter England's PW every single time, it being the first faction of the turn makes the difference with Scotland I believe...

[OverKnight]

Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Egypt.zip

[Ramses II CP]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Danes.zip

Danes are up!

:egypt:

[deguerra]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Portugal.rar

Portugal is up!

[gibsonsg91921]

uff, i might be able to get it tommorow, or you might need a sub?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd advise that you think before picking a sub, if any. Your king is kind of in a sticky situation.

[Zim]

Technically you can get the turn up within 48 hours if you mention here that you need time. Alternatively, I reccomend Ramses as a sub, since in the BC game when I needed one he ran my turn better than I could. :clown:


uff, i might be able to get it tommorow, or you might need a sub?

[rossahh]

Except Portugal could disappear if you misplace the King and the Prince where the Moors could get to them next turn. So it's an important turn, don't you think?

[Ramses II CP]

Heh, well, in your game I could fight battles Z. I imagine if I were to take a situation as described here and it wasn't my country I would probably run away and live to fight another day...

Which, judging by KotR, is not Gibson's style at all. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[gibsonsg91921]

Haha, well, if I can get it tomorrow, I won't need a sub. GH, I don't think I'll be able to succeed against you anyway. My brothers, however,

SHALL!

haha

[Zim]

So, I guess Ramses will be subbing? :clown:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Having gone back and checked some things, I honestly don't think there's much that Portugal can do to get out of its current situation.

I can PM the three parties involved (Zim, gibson, and Ramses) with certain privy information so they know exactly what the sub is getting into, if you like.

[Zim]

Certainly, although I think Gibson might know already. :yes:

[Ramses II CP]

It'll be a few hours before I can get to it, have another obligation at the moment. :beam:

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Done:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Poland.zip

There weren't really any options. :no:

:egypt:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I hope you ignored my diplomatic request at the start of the turn, at least. :laugh4:

[Ramses II CP]

I hope you ignored my diplomatic request at the start of the turn, at least. :laugh4:

Actually I made a counter offer (One that's a bit more technically feasible).

Then I tried to bribe you. :shrug: In a pinch, you do what you can. Needless to say, my diplomat failed.

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-7-Hungary.zip

[Zim]

In case anyone is wondering, gibson received extra time to play his save because he's in a rather tough situation, rather like Ignoramus was a while back. When he pmed me to confirm he couldn't play it, I gave Ramses the go ahead. :yes:

I fear the game might be in danger of stalling, and with 16 players, it can be tough to keep things going. Therefore, I'll likely be more strict about time limits for a while. 24 hours to play your turn or ask for more time, with an extra 24 hours time given when asked for.

Time to get this game going again. :beam:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Looking ahead a couple of turns, I'm a bit worried about The Wandering Scholar (France). His membership level shows up as "Guest" which usually means that he won't be around on the .Org for a while.

TWS, if you're here, let us know. Otherwise I think we should start looking for a sub.

[Ramses II CP]

He's actually been around a fair bit, he's handling the 'AAR Challenge' bit. I imagine he'll be here.

:egypt:

[barcamartin]

Hungary done, England up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-8-England.zip

[Tran]

Looking ahead a couple of turns, I'm a bit worried about The Wandering Scholar (France). His membership level shows up as "Guest" which usually means that he won't be around on the .Org for a while.

TWS, if you're here, let us know. Otherwise I think we should start looking for a sub.
Bad news, I think TWS is being (probably temporary) banned from this forum. When I look at his profile or his post it seems I can't PM him. Perhaps someone can verify this to moderators?

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-France.zip

:france: turn now

[Brave]

Are you needing a sub? :inquisitive:

[Zim]

I can confirm that it's impossible to pm him. I'll see about asking one of the moderators if something happened.

In the meantime I guess we just wait 24 hours and then try to find a sub.

[Tran]

I believe it's over 48 hours now and TWS isn't available. Zim, do you have any news regarding his status from the admin or mods?

It's time for a substitute to keep this game running, I guess...

[Zim]

No word yet, Tran.

Brave, are you volunteering to sub? If so I can send you France's password. :yes: If not I know a couple people who might be able to sub.

[Ramses II CP]

Yep, I'm available, though I'm going to take a nap and a shower (Not in that order) now. Ping me in ~2 hours if you want me to take it on.

:egypt:

[Zim]

Wait, did somebody ask or do you really need that nap*. :laugh4:

You're welcome to sub the turn, Ramses, I'll send the info.

*At least, your post sounded as if it was meant to be in response to a query. I could be wrong. :clown:


Yep, I'm available, though I'm going to take a nap and a shower (Not in that order) now. Ping me in ~2 hours if you want me to take it on.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Nah, just wanted to explain why I wasn't doing this one right after the BC one. Long morning.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

HRE is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-HRE.zip

Rennes has been claimed in the name of France, and a French army is moving south to offer aid to the Portugese, who it is rumored are having some troubles with rebellion in the face of the potential loss of their royal family. All French forces were reorganized to take better advantage of auto-calc.

:egypt:

[Cecil XIX]

Spain's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Spain.zip)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Greetings, all

I am willing to substitute for any faction whatsoever, as I am not involved with more than one hotseat game at the moment, and I never 16 hours without being online.

Seeing as I am totally neutral and a competent player, I am willing to undertake any obligations.

If anyone needs a turn subbed, please message me your current diplomatic dealings, short term goals, and any other info.

:bow:

EDIT: Version 1.03, vanilla campaign. I believe I don't even need a patch, as that's my current vanilla version.

[rossahh]

Oh no, what happens if he gets France?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh no, what happens if he gets France?

IF I get any faction, I will perform my temporary duties with dispassion and commitment to my liege in his absence, as Ramses usually does.

Especially if my liege leaves specific instructions as to what to do during his turn, or gives me an idea as to what he wants from his general. If he leaves all decisions up to me, I will not start something that he could not finish, and I will generally leave his faction in better condition than I found it, whenever it is possible.

I've made myself aware of the rules, the current overall strategic situation, the alliances that are declared, and have read and are now up to speed on everyone's posts. It's as though I've been a part of the game from the beginning.

Mercenary waiting to be recruited, my lord.

[Zim]

Thanks for the offer, ATPG. It'll be convenient to have an available sub who isn't in the game.

[Tran]

Oh noes, I'd prefer myself to sub France...I'm their closest neighbor, so I know more about them!
And finally, I can fulfill my plan for world domination! :hmg:

[rossahh]

The problem for France is that all of its neighbors are inter-allied, while it has none. That would suit ATPG perfectly - total war!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Plus there's the added benefit of no conflicts of interest. Just the fact that I am available and a decent player who is uninvolved makes me a perfect sub, even if I am sandwiched. Mmm... perfect sub sandwich.

:drool:

[ICantSpellDawg]

can I play?

[Zim]

I can put you in line for the next opening. :yes: It's starting to look like France's player has dropped out so the country might be available for the next turn.


can I play?

[Zim]

Sicily is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Sicily.zip

[Ferret]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Milan.rar

[rossahh]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Byzantine.rar

[_Tristan_]

Rus are up :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Russia.rar

[Csargo]

I'm sorry for the delay guys. I've had a lot of stuff going on the last few days. My great-grandfather passed away Thursday and we had the rosary yesterday and the funeral today, so I've been extremely busy, but I'll play my turn in the next couple of hours.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My condolances, Ichigo.

It is my hope that we all live long enough to see, and are fortunate enough to be blessed with, great-grandchildren of our own. You couldn't ask for a better legacy to leave behind. I'm sure he was very proud of you.

I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say, you've got friends here at the org, and you have our support during this difficult time.

[deguerra]

I'm sorry to hear that. Take your time.

[Zim]

Take as much time as you need, Ichigo. I was lucky enough to meet my grandparents, but never my great grandparents.

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Moors.rar

GH's turn, and thank you all for the kind words.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Turkey's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Turks.zip

[OverKnight]

I'm at work, so this'll be done in 9 or 10 hours if I can keep my eyes open once I get home.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Then: Scotland, we hardly knew ye.
Now: Portugal, we hardly knew ye.
Later (?): Moors, we hardly knew ye.

[Ferret]

I dunno, depends on how many armies you used to take down Portugal...

[OverKnight]

Egypt is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Egypt.zip

[Ramses II CP]

The Danes are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Danes.zip

:egypt:

[deguerra]

Poland is up:

Possibly will need Portugals password

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Poland.rar

[FactionHeir]

So, what is it? :grin:

[deguerra]

I assume you have tried wether you need it or not, but in any case I have no idea.

"Imperialist Scum", possibly :laugh4:

[Zim]

Were you prompted for Portugal's password after hitting endturn, deguerra?

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Imperialist Scum", possibly

"Did someone mention Imperialist Scum???"

eyes darting around the room... sees no Romans... puts sword back into his scabbard...

I came all the way from another hotseat just to tell that joke. :laugh2:

[gibsonsg91921]

More like dirty Republicans.

Dirty dirty dirty Republicans. George Bush can *censored* my *censored* *censored* and afterwards we can play *censored* with his mother's *censored*.

Should I just tell you the password in thread?

[Zim]

Just in case deguerra missed it, since I posted right before ATPG.


Were you prompted for Portugal's password after hitting endturn, deguerra?

[Askthepizzaguy]

More like dirty Republicans.

"Did someone mention Imperialist Scum???"

eyes darting around the room... sees no Republicans... puts sword back into his scabbard...

Ok ok ok back to topic. :focus: And ps- feel same about Dems.
Just in case deguerra missed it again:


Were you prompted for Portugal's password after hitting endturn, deguerra?

This way Zim won't have to repost it a third time. And yes, I will shut up now.
:bow:

[deguerra]

nah, I went straight to Polands screen.

[FactionHeir]

Ok worked. Just wanted to make sure I wouldnt be wasting time :grin:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-8-Hungary.rar

[Zim]

Ok, barcamartin will be back in a bit over a day, so he'll be able to play his turn. :thumbsup:

[barcamartin]

Lovely !! As Zim said, I'll get to it tomorrow, around 6.00 PM GMT+1 (or something).

[barcamartin]

A slight delay, but it couldn't be helped. Thanks for your patience !!

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-England-9.zip

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-France.zip

French turn, although I have no idea who really control France at this point. Is it still temporarily subbed by you Ramses II CP? It's kinda difficult to arrange diplomatic talk with your neighbour if you have no idea who leads them :beam:

Anyway there is a must-see announcement in the Council thread...

[Ramses II CP]

I should note I'm happy to sub for the French if necessary to keep the game moving, but if anyone believes there would be a conflict of interest over the Crusade matter I'll stand aside. If I remember correctly the French might have one stack in the north that could join the crusade if they wished, but it's mostly militia. I think the stuff in the south is too scattered out still.

:egypt:

[Zim]

I can confirm that TWS is no longer at the ORG. :sweatdrop: Someone has contacted me about taking France. I'll send him off a pm and see if he replies within a day or so.

[Zim]

Hey everyone. TuffStuffMcGruff is taking over for France and will play the turn tomorrow. :yes:

[OverKnight]

There's a Crusade called on Antioch?

Who did that? Or did the Papal States call it?

Should have left the damn city nuetral.

[rossahh]

The pope must've done it on his own accord as England is excommunicated, and they're the only ones to have had a turn in this cycle so far.

We had other plans for that crusade though...

[Zim]

The pope always calls a crusade on Antioch if the player doesn't get around to it. Same with Jihads called on Baghdad.

[rossahh]

As if we weren't "getting around to it" already?

[OverKnight]

Yea, it's usually Antioch or Jerusalem for the Pope isn't it?

I hope the Pontiff doesn't send the Papal Expeditionary Force across the Med. That could turn awkward.

[ICantSpellDawg]

The French crown has finished it's first season. The docile lands are threatened only by marauders interfering with English-French trade between Normandy and Angers so far. We seek stability and unity in these trying times; the Spanish and Portuguese are dealing with a menacing heathen force in the lands beyond the Pyrenees and a Crusade has been called to free the Holy land from the unfaithful hordes in Antioch.

We now pass along the torch.

It's the Holy Roman Empire's turn (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-HRE.rar)

[Ferret]

I can assure you that no Sicilian soldiers will be taking part in that crusade.

[Cecil XIX]

Spain's Turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Spain.zip)

[Csargo]

*coughs*

[Zim]

Sicily is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Sicily.zip

[Ferret]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Milan.rar

next!

[rossahh]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Byzantine.rar

[Zim]

Announcement

Hey everyone. As many of you are throne room regulars (and several actually in the other game) I'm guessing you know about certain events in the MPC hotseat. Basically one player, Tran, has been caught cheating. Not at the "putting multiple merchants in a fort" level, but major cheating, involving doing things impossible under the normal game mechanics.

Now, my first instinct is to ask the player to leave this game as well, but I am somewhat worried about something. As I was the person he used the cheats against, I could easily seem to not be an impartial judge. Indeed, I am biased, not for that reason, but because I really dislike cheaters. In my opinion, cheating ruins any game, not just for the people adversely affected, but for the one who cheats as well.

With that in mind, I would like to hear your opinions. If most of you are neutral on the issue or agree with me, I will follow my first instinct and find a new player for England. If most of you disagree, then I will follow your wishes.

I thank you for your time, :bow:
Will

[Cecil XIX]

It pains me to say this, but it is only right to eject him from this PBEM is well. Cheaters must be dealt with harshly.

[deguerra]

Well given I can no longer read his edited posts, I dont know how he reacted. But he seemed less than helpful. Going wrong and doing stupid things I can forgive, but not being cocky and stupid about it later. So I'd at least tend towards ejecting him as well.

Sorry Tran, if you feel you are being treated harshly then please feel free to post here or PM me with a good compelling reason you should stay, and how exactly youre going to convince people you will not cheat again.

I don't feel we take these games overly seriously, but since we are all here to have fun, I cannot understand why anyone would cheat.

[rossahh]

I'm curious about one thing: did he cheat in the war against Scotland that was ended in what, two or three turns?

[Zim]

His posts were a bit...odd pre-editted. I'd suggest asking Ramses about them if you're curious.


Well given I can no longer read his edited posts, I dont know how he reacted. But he seemed less than helpful. Going wrong and doing stupid things I can forgive, but not being cocky and stupid about it later. So I'd at least tend towards ejecting him as well.

Sorry Tran, if you feel you are being treated harshly then please feel free to post here or PM me with a good compelling reason you should stay, and how exactly youre going to convince people you will not cheat again.

I don't feel we take these games overly seriously, but since we are all here to have fun, I cannot understand why anyone would cheat.

As far as I'm aware, the only time he cheated in that game was in the war against Scotland (me). That's part of the reason I'm reluctant to act unilaterally in this. Ironically, if he had cheated against someone else in the MPC, I'd kick him out of this one without a second thought. :clown:


I'm curious about one thing: did he cheat in the war against Scotland that was ended in what, two or three turns?

The war was ongoing when he was discovered, but may end now.

[deguerra]

I don't care who he cheated against. The fact that it was you may make you more biased, but in the end we've (as in the majority of this forum) always agreed that cheating will not be tolerated, so it's fairly irrelevant.

[rossahh]

I meant him killing off Scotland in this game.


To make my position clear, I would be for having him out of this game. As far as "exploits" go, being able to move your army like that is a huge one. It was clear and deliberate cheating, so I think he should go from here too.

[Zim]

Ah. As far as I know, he did not cheat in the Scottish-English war. Given what I know of the country's starting positions, and the report I had gotten the one turn that had been subbed, I don't think he did. I could check out some of the old saves, though.


I meant him killing off Scotland in this game.


To make my position clear, I would be for having him out of this game. As far as "exploits" go, being able to move your army like that is a huge one. It was clear and deliberate cheating, so I think he should go from here too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As it seems fairly unanimous, as expected, that no one wants to allow cheaters to continue playing hotseats, (whether they cheated in this particular one or not) it might be a good time to announce my possible admission into this game as a replacement, provided the rest of the troupe would be willing to have me, and there aren't any objections.

:bow:

[rossahh]

As long as you retain the states quo for a little while yet, I wouldn't object. I'm talking about the present diplomatic climate, if you don't understand.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In other words, dont ally with all my current enemies and declare war on all my current allies?

lol

Im afraid I havent been following this one very much so I'm a little lost.

[Zim]

England is allied to the HRE and Denmark (OOC at least, not sure if you need to back it up with a diplomat), and has at least cordial relations with France (they made a deal early on so England could send soldiers from Caen to crush the Scots).

That's about the extent of it as far as I'm aware.

[rossahh]

We have a nice and complicated alliance system going at the moment (check out the first page of the council thread for details) and that keeps the diplomacy in check - unless you are the Moors and then you're in trouble.


Zim, can you update the beginning of this thread anyway to add in the new French player and cross off Portugal?

[Askthepizzaguy]

well its almost 5am here and I have work in a few hours, so I'm actually going to rest...

sleep? Whats that? College... yes... work... yes... girl... yes... M2TW... yes...

Sleep? No... not like sleep... not want sleep... (passes out cold)

zzzzzz.....

:sleep:

[Zim]

I updated the first post.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the leader of the Moors would be called? King sounds funny, but then I'm not sure Seultan would work either.

[rossahh]

I would've thought Emir or Sultan. Don't the little Moorish dudes say "Sultan" when you click on them?

[Zim]

Yeah but all of the Muslim factions got stuck with a single set of voiceovers.

I guess I just think places much further east when I think of the word "Sultan". Wasn't it Turkish rulers who started calling themselves that? I think I'll use Emir.


I would've thought Emir or Sultan. Don't the little Moorish dudes say "Sultan" when you click on them?

[OverKnight]

If someon cheated in another hotseat, they should be barred from other hotseats, at least for a while.

Rampant cheating is the one thing that could completely undermine this type of game, and we have to act strongly to suppress it.

So my vote is to expell Tran.

[Ferret]

I agree, he blew his chance.

[deguerra]

to answer Zims question, there were both emirates and caliphates of the moors. no sultans that I know of

[_Tristan_]

Russia :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Russia.rar

[Ramses II CP]

My vote is obvious, cheaters should not be allowed to participate in hotseat games. As frustrating as Tran's behavior was, I'm trying not to descend into public name calling or piling on and I'd appreciate it if everyone here was relatively respectful towards him as well. Yes, he did something wrong, but the best way to handle it is just to let him go and move on with the minimum of hard feelings.

If I had to try to explain his actions I'd guess that some people have trouble seeing the difference between their SP games and hotseats, so he was just doing whatever it is he does when his solo games get hard. Pure conjecture, and obviously in no way justifying the harm to Zim and annoyance to the rest of us MPC players, but still let's not throw him under the bus.

I would also be happy to have ATPG step in, though I'm on the other side of the world and won't likely have any contact for a long time (Unless you join the Pope's AI crusade). :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

referring to the crusade, I doubt I would participate in a pile-on of that nature, either.

I have no intentions at present to go to war with anyone. Only time will tell if that policy will change.

[Zim]

OK, I think we're up to 1/2+ players. At his point I consider the case closed. ATPG will be the new England player.

If anyone has strong feelings regarding the matter (in either direction) and want them known, they' welcome to post them here or pm me. Otherwise, it's time to get back to the game. :2thumbsup:

Edit: I don't think you need to worry about piling on in the crusade, ATPG. Nobody seems to want to join it. :laugh4: I'm pretty certain it was called by the "pope" rather than a player.

[Privateerkev]

Ah. As far as I know, he did not cheat in the Scottish-English war. Given what I know of the country's starting positions, and the report I had gotten the one turn that had been subbed, I don't think he did. I could check out some of the old saves, though.

Since I was the one that originally set England up, I feel I can speak with a tiny amount of authority on this. Ig was doomed. I play England all the time in SP and there is a massive power difference between England and Scotland in the beginning.

The only way Scotland can live to turn 10 is if England lets him. Period. No other nation can help Scotland out in time to make a difference. You go two pronged. Take the King and Rufus, buy all England mercs, and move for York on turn 1. Take Robert, buy all Normandy mercs, get on the boat, and sail up the west coast on turn 1.

In a couple turns there is a full stack north of York and almost a full stack landing on Scotland's west coast. Scotland is trapped. They start with 1 full stack worth of troops and one province. If they go for Inverness, they leave Edinburgh open. If they go for King William, Robert moves in from the west. If they go for Robert, William moves in from the southeast.

From Tran's screenshot, it seems he won with the Robert stack I made in Normandy. And he did it in the timetable that I do it in SP games. So, I don't think he cheated in this game. But, it seems he cheated in the other game.

Cheating is lame... :no:

[gibsonsg91921]

I'm not in this anymore so I don't think I have much say, but cheaters should be expelled.

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Moors.rar

[GeneralHankerchief]

Crap, I'm getting a backup of Throne Room stuff. I'll try to complete all my turns by tomorrow.

[Cecil XIX]

Given your other responsibilities, I'd be perfectly willing to fudge the twenty-four hour deadline. I doubt anyone will complain as long as it's sometime tomorrow.

[Zim]

Actually, it's a 48 hour deadline, the 24 hour thing is just if we don't hear from the player at all. :yes:

I can't even imagine how much time it would take to run the KOTR battle. Don't worry about the deadline, just get it done when you have the chance.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Apologies for the lateness. I'll do my Crusades turn tomorrow.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Turks.zip

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I have final exams or other obligations, given the short turn window, I would like to designate Tristan de Castelreng, Zim, or Ramses II CP to be my substitute players, if they would volunteer for the task.

If for some reason none are available, then any of my in-game allies will do.

[Cecil XIX]

Just so you know, you can request a 24-hour extension.

[OverKnight]

I'll should be able to get to my turn tonight.

[OverKnight]

Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Egypt.zip