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Ramses II CP
04-09-2008, 00:36
Denmark is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Danes.zip

:egypt: (Will PM later if DG doesn't spot it)

deguerra
04-09-2008, 06:54
noted, and will play when I get home

deguerra
04-09-2008, 11:36
Poland is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Poland.rar

FactionHeir
04-09-2008, 12:24
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-9-Hungary.rar

barcamartin
04-09-2008, 19:50
England's up !

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-10-England.zip

Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2008, 20:49
oy having difficulty with mizus... can we post to the org from now on, barca?
:bow:

I cannot download the file.

Can anyone else download it and then upload it to the org? barca seems to have left

barcamartin
04-09-2008, 21:19
Just an odd habit of using the mizus one. Uploaded at the Org now, link PM'ed.

Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2008, 21:31
I trust there are no crazy rules restricting adoptions in this one, hmmm? (reads list of rules)

Praise be to Allah!

:sweatdrop: Uh... I mean thank the good Christian God. Yes... Christian God...

Promptly adopts general

Ramses II CP
04-09-2008, 21:49
Yeah, adoption is fine. I was just about to upload it at The Org for ya, but I see that matters are resolved. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2008, 21:51
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11-France.zip

France is up

Events: Some interesting alliance proposals, adopted a general, no hostile actions towards my neighbors, cancelled all tribute to the Pope (why? why have tribute to the pope? I'm already at perfect relations...)

Made note of how pathetically slow units move in this gave versus broken crescent... dear Allah, what have I gotten myself into?

Zim
04-09-2008, 22:14
No adoption rules in this one (I find myself cursing every time I turn one down in the other game. :laugh4: ). I understand the reasons for such a rule, but after my experience with Tristan's death squad in the Crusades game, I'm not too eager to limit people's family trees.

Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2008, 22:18
Frankly I DONT understand the no adoptions rule.

Is that supposed to be for realism or something? What if I had an empire that spanned from France to Greece to Turkey.... :sweatdrop:

Uh, I mean... NOT France and NOT Greece and NOT Turkey... some other Tristan... I mean territories.

Wouldn't I want to have more than just my faction leader and heir? And his pathetic inbred son? I'm honestly curious why anyone would shoot themselves in the foot like that. It's unfair for everyone... which makes it fair I suppose... but less fun.

Zim
04-09-2008, 22:47
I kind of thought that it was a gameplay thing. Fewer family members lowers expansion, especially against other players, who could bribe or defeat your leaderless stacks more easily if you have two fms to cover a large empire. There's also the crusade jihad thing, where you conquer a ton of territories, getting extra generals, who can then join and conquer more territories.

I don't like that it makes eliminating a faction very easy early on. However, in the long run more territory means more births, so you'll eventually catch up anyway.

Ramses II CP
04-09-2008, 23:08
It just adds another factor to all your strategic decisions, and slows down blitzers. As a Muslim nation I'm loathe to encourage this sort of behavior, but any of the big Catholic nations could easily start a crusade with 3 family members and end it with 13, all of them having the sundry crusade stat bonuses. Muslims can do it too to some extent, but not in the same way a nation like, for example, France could.

If you do that, you don't have to worry about family members again. You'll get a new one pretty much every year, and can manipulate another out of MoH battles during that turn if you'd like.

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2008, 23:22
Sounds to me like if someone wants a challenge or is feeling invincible they could play as the Muslims and attempt to defend against Catholics with a good navy and a counter-jihad, properly timed of course.

Yes, the Catholics have a huge advantage. But so do the Muslims. The only people who get the short end of the stick are the Byzantines who are a sitting duck for both crusades and jihads, and who have no other choice but to build a web of alliances, and Russia, who always sucks, no matter what, no matter how, no matter who... only having an Orthodox version of a crusade could save their faction, and it doesn't exist.

It's not supposed to be an even game. Thats why only the brave pick Scotland. It would be better if you could fight battles against the AI, because even scotland could wipe out an aggressive English player who foolishly advances into a trap. With auto-resolve... I feel that the largest empire always wins, especially when crusades are involved.

When is Poland NOT a superpower? When is France NOT a superpower? When is the HRE NOT a member of a huge network of alliances out of sheer terror for their lives?

Some things are predictable. Personally, I'd love to play as the Turks in a MPC, just to see if I couldn't ally with a bunch of Catholic nations in case of a Crusade, and then my Catholic allies could strike their prone nations after their best troops leave on a foolish Crusade, followed by a counter-jihad which would leave them wailing in pain.

I like the potential there... the Muslims have a lot of sympathy points, like the Scots or the Russians. People want to see them try to survive in an unfair environment... and properly persuaded, they might try to help them.

Factions like England on the other hand, are hated and despised and must be dealt with quickly. If you let them conquer Scotland, then their only options are to sit around for 300 turns with a thumb in thier arse, or attack France or Denmark (or Spain, I guess)... or go on some damn-fool crusade which will strand thier family members in hostile territory with no safe way back.

Trust England? I wouldn't.

Wait... I'm England in this game, aren't I?

:sweatdrop:

Uhhh..... nevermind folks! Nothing to see here! Go back to your lives! I'm just talking nonsense and ranting again... what else is new?

GeneralHankerchief
04-09-2008, 23:50
the Muslims have a lot of sympathy points, like the Scots or the Russians. People want to see them try to survive in an unfair environment... and properly persuaded, they might try to help them.

A Moorish diplomat will be by your place shortly to begin these "proper persuasions." :smoking:

Askthepizzaguy
04-10-2008, 00:01
Given the total lack of secrecy in such a move, I don't think it would be such a good idea, General.

I think people might be on to us... they do read these things from time to time!

:laugh4:

ICantSpellDawg
04-10-2008, 01:46
The Holy Roman Empire is up and ready to go.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11-HRE.rar

Not much to report at the moment. The Pyrenees are open and the Moors are moving Northward. I request that a nation start a Crusade to the south of Spain. France will contribute as many troops as it can spare in the event that someone does this. The further away the kingdom, the more powerful the army.

Other than than that, nothing really to report.

GeneralHankerchief
04-10-2008, 01:49
the Moors are moving Northward.

1) By that I hope you mean the diplomat and the diplomat only, as none of our military has done so this turn.


I request that a nation start a Crusade to the south of Spain.

2) Crusade's already been called on Antioch, sorry. :evilgrin:

rossahh
04-10-2008, 06:34
A Moorish diplomat will be by your place shortly to begin these "proper persuasions.


Why converse with a doomend people?

You may have destroyed Portugal but Sicily is easily beating you in North Africa, and let's not even start on Spain.

Askthepizzaguy
04-10-2008, 13:45
Why converse with a doomend people?

You may have destroyed Portugal but Sicily is easily beating you in North Africa, and let's not even start on Spain.

I am assuming you meant by that, the Moorish people are doomed. Otherwise, we might have, haha, taken that as a threat against England, haha....

The English delegate's expression then becomes quite dark and serious.

Something I would caution you not to threaten.






Cheerio!

:clown:

GeneralHankerchief
04-10-2008, 14:17
Why converse with a doomend people?

You may have destroyed Portugal but Sicily is easily beating you in North Africa, and let's not even start on Spain.

I believe that your reports are out of date.

Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2008, 01:03
TuffStuff, I believe your pm box is full.

Cecil XIX
04-11-2008, 01:29
My apologies, but I may not be able to make the deadline. Regardless, the difference will be less than ninety minutes.

Cecil XIX
04-11-2008, 01:42
Spain's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11-Spain.zip)

ICantSpellDawg
04-11-2008, 05:14
TuffStuff, I believe your pm box is full.

Inbox and outbox have been purged like the degenerate heathens that they are.

Zim
04-11-2008, 06:31
It's a bit late for her now, but my wife should get her save done right after work tomorrow. I'll do mine right after. :yes:

Zim
04-12-2008, 07:51
Sicily is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11-Sicily.zip

Ferret
04-12-2008, 11:05
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11-Milan.rar

rossahh
04-12-2008, 11:54
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-10-Byzantine.rar



One thing, we're only up to turn 10, not 11.

It's gone from turn 10-England to turn 11-France.

Ferret
04-12-2008, 12:15
guess we'll have to upload the saves with an a at the end or something next turn, well spotted rossahh

_Tristan_
04-13-2008, 16:02
Russia :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-10-Russia.rar

Askthepizzaguy
04-14-2008, 00:57
That would be my bad. I didn't quite understand the numbering system. I thought it referred to turn order, not turn number, like in the BC hotseat.

Zim
04-14-2008, 01:57
Good job noticing that, rossahh. I remember seeing the 11 and thinking we must have been going awfully quickly lately. :clown:

Next turn we'll just add an "a" to the end of the turn number, as EF suggested. :yes:

Csargo
04-14-2008, 05:21
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-10-Moors.rar

GeneralHankerchief
04-14-2008, 21:26
Turkey's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-10-Turks.zip

OverKnight
04-15-2008, 04:14
Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-10-Egypt.zip

Ramses II CP
04-15-2008, 06:19
Denmark is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-10-Denmark.zip

:egypt:

deguerra
04-15-2008, 06:55
Poland is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-10-Poland.rar

FactionHeir
04-15-2008, 10:57
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-10-Hungary.rar

FactionHeir
04-15-2008, 13:26
It would be nice to have an update to the council thread's first post to reflect wars and claims and of course an updated minimap.

Could you arrange for that please Zim?

barcamartin
04-16-2008, 17:38
England's up !

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-11-England.zip

E: Oh, darn. Mizus again. Tell me if it doesn't work, ATPG, and I'll upload at the Org instead..

Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2008, 20:16
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11a-France.zip

France is up. Our diplomats are ready to receive yours, King of France.

Zim
04-16-2008, 21:55
Do you mean a map of claims like the one Cecil made?

I'll have to enable the console and turn off the fow for a moment to make a map showing which territories everyone has. Is that ok with everyone?


It would be nice to have an update to the council thread's first post to reflect wars and claims and of course an updated minimap.

Could you arrange for that please Zim?

Ferret
04-16-2008, 22:07
fine with me, no peeking though :P

Perhaps you should release it a few turns behind where we are so that no one can take advantage in Iberia, unless they don't mid of course.

Ramses II CP
04-16-2008, 22:09
It would be fine with me. :shrug:

:egypt:

Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2008, 00:30
I agree. Look at the map from last turn at the very least.

As for England, we have nothing to hide. Go ahead and peek. No spies may trespass though.

ICantSpellDawg
04-17-2008, 02:45
HRE is up. The Alliance between England and France is stronger than ever before. France looks forward to a new era of peace, stability and friendship between the Channel.

Link (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11a-HRE.rar)

Cecil XIX
04-17-2008, 03:49
Spain's turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11a-Spain.zip)

Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2008, 04:23
Edit: moved to IC diplomacy thread

Zim
04-18-2008, 07:02
Sorry for the wait guys. My wife and I spent the evening moving things to a place where we're housesitting and now she's fallen asleep. :clown:

Spain's turn will be played tomorrow and, as usual, I will play my own turn as soon as she does hers.

Askthepizzaguy
04-19-2008, 01:25
As I am not sure when Mrs. Zim comes online, my response to her message:

I have to consolidate England before I can commit to anything firm. But your terms are acceptible.

Zim
04-19-2008, 08:52
Sicily is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11a-Sicily.zip

Ferret
04-19-2008, 11:17
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11a-Milan.rar

rossahh
04-19-2008, 12:11
Tristan:


http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11-Byzantine.rar

_Tristan_
04-20-2008, 16:46
Russia :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11-Russia.rar

Csargo
04-21-2008, 04:26
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-11-Moors.rar

GeneralHankerchief
04-21-2008, 20:37
My turns always seem to roll around the same time...

Will get to this later today (within the 24 hour deadline).

GeneralHankerchief
04-21-2008, 23:30
Bad news guys:

I'm having problems either with my CD or my disk drive (let's hope it's the former). It won't read my M2TW main CD properly, so for the moment I'm out of commission.

In the meantime, I'd prefer it if Ramses subbed for me; I'll PM him with information shortly if that's okay with everybody.

Zim
04-21-2008, 23:33
Crap, I really hope it is the former (although that would suck as well). :sweatdrop:

No arguments here for Ramses as a sub.

FactionHeir
04-21-2008, 23:45
Ramses is about to have his turn skipped on the MPC for inactivity.

Askthepizzaguy
04-21-2008, 23:51
I would volunteer to sub for GH in case Ramses is unavailable.

I assure you that I would play the Moors' turn to the very best of my abilities. Much like Ramses did with the Romans in another hotseat against me, even though we were allied at the time.

GeneralHankerchief
04-22-2008, 00:00
Okay, I'm cool with that.

PMing ATPG information now.

Askthepizzaguy
04-22-2008, 00:10
Still need the paaaaass word... and don't tell me it's "open sesame"

GeneralHankerchief
04-22-2008, 00:12
Ah, right.

Sending.

Askthepizzaguy
04-22-2008, 00:46
http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-11-Turks.zip

And the mighty Moorish sultanate claims another victim... Turks are up! Pm'ing OverKnight.

Ramses II CP
04-22-2008, 01:20
By the way, I'm back. As I noted elsewhere I was out of town and had some misfortune with my travel plans. No big deal. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

OverKnight
04-23-2008, 02:01
Egypt is up.

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-11-Egypt.zip

Ramses II CP
04-23-2008, 03:14
Danes are up:

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-11-Danes.zip

:egypt:

deguerra
04-23-2008, 13:11
Hey guys,

the .org uploader is wonky again, how do I upload directly to mizus. Checked out their site, but didnt find anything...

Ramses II CP
04-23-2008, 13:54
It's stickied on the second page of the Throne Room FAQ thread. Here's a link:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbmupload.php

:egypt:

ICantSpellDawg
04-23-2008, 19:29
Hey, can I apply the 1.3 patch yet, or will it screw up the game? I think it will screw the game up, so that's why i'm asking.

Zim
04-23-2008, 19:36
The 1.3 patch won't mess anything up. :yes:

Or do you mean the new Kingdoms patch? I'm not sure I know anyone who's tried that one yet. :sweatdrop:


Hey, can I apply the 1.3 patch yet, or will it screw up the game? I think it will screw the game up, so that's why i'm asking.

Ferret
04-23-2008, 19:48
the Kingdoms patch has the same compatability issues as 1.3 had earlier. Dimitri from the TWC had it installed and I couldn't load his save after that, but could still load all the other saves including the ones he had before he got the patch.

So yeah, the 1.4 patch WILL screw the game up, so I advise all the GM to come together and decide whether we all want to use it or not. On a side note I'm not sure whether it affects compatability in a vanilla game, that has not yet been tried.

ICantSpellDawg
04-23-2008, 23:22
i guess it was the 1.4 kingdoms patch.

deguerra
04-24-2008, 01:00
Sorry this took so long guys!

Poland is up:

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-11-Poland.rar

FactionHeir
04-24-2008, 11:43
http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-11-Hungary.rar

ICantSpellDawg
04-24-2008, 14:09
http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-11-Hungary.rar

CRUD! I may need an extension!

barcamartin
04-24-2008, 14:42
I'm playing Hungary, am I not ? :clown:

FactionHeir
04-24-2008, 15:04
Yeah, TSMG's turn is only up at the MPC1.

ICantSpellDawg
04-24-2008, 16:17
Right, but it looks like my turn may be on tonight. It is an important turn with important business...:dizzy2:

barcamartin
04-24-2008, 17:25
England's up !!

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-England.zip

Askthepizzaguy
04-25-2008, 01:40
http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-France.zip

The French, who throw cows and chickens at the silly english kniggits while taunting and making obscene gestures, are up!

GeneralHankerchief
04-25-2008, 21:23
Guys,

I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop out. After looking online, it looks like the only thing I'm going to be able to do is order a new disk drive. As an incoming college freshman, money needs to be prioritized and as a result I don't know when I'll be able to get a new one.

Very sorry for the inconvenience, especially to those whom PMs were exchanged with. Good luck in your future endeavors.

GH

Zim
04-25-2008, 23:30
Sorry, GH. I hope you can come back soon. ~:(


Guys,

I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop out. After looking online, it looks like the only thing I'm going to be able to do is order a new disk drive. As an incoming college freshman, money needs to be prioritized and as a result I don't know when I'll be able to get a new one.

Very sorry for the inconvenience, especially to those whom PMs were exchanged with. Good luck in your future endeavors.

GH

ICantSpellDawg
04-26-2008, 03:34
I can't upload the file. Crud!

Askthepizzaguy
04-26-2008, 03:35
http://www.mizus.com/files/pbmupload.php

Was that solution fast enough for ye?

OverKnight
04-26-2008, 10:05
Tough luck GH. I hope you'll be back in full glory soon.

Should we invite gibson back into the game? It would be a bit ironic to give him the Moors, but we do have an open slot.

ICantSpellDawg
04-26-2008, 12:39
http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-HRE.rar

Phew - thanks pizzaguy. Day saver.

Askthepizzaguy
04-26-2008, 12:41
Let everyone know that the ORG uploader seems troubled. Please use the link I provided TuffStuff to post your files.

rossahh
04-26-2008, 15:00
It would be even more ironic if Gibsong took over the Moors only to lose the war against Spain.

Zim
04-26-2008, 21:36
I'll send gibson a pm and see if he wants to take over for the Moors.

Cecil XIX
04-27-2008, 02:25
Spain's turn. (http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-Spain.zip)

Zim
04-27-2008, 23:26
Sicily is up.

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-Sicily.zip

Ignoramus
04-28-2008, 10:17
Hello guys, how's things going? Any more factions eliminated?

GeneralHankerchief
04-28-2008, 13:16
Portugal.

Ferret
04-28-2008, 17:06
http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-Milan.rar

Zim
04-28-2008, 19:06
Gibson can't take over for the Moors right now. I'll see about finding someone. :yes:

Had anyone downloaded the new patch yet? We should find out if it messes up save game compatibility for hotseats like Kingdoms itself did.

Privateerkev
04-28-2008, 19:41
I have 1.05 and it works. Let me know what you want me to upload/download and we can see if it is compatible. :yes:

Zim
04-28-2008, 19:47
Would you still happen to remember England's password? If so taking up the last English save and putting up a French one (just add an a to the end of the save title) would help. :yes: Then I could see if I can load France's save.

Privateerkev
04-28-2008, 19:49
Umm... It's been a while... I think I still remember it. I used fairly basic password names.

Let me give it a shot.

Privateerkev
04-28-2008, 20:08
alright, no problems on my end. This save is for Zim to see if he can see a file played by someone who has patch 1.05.

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-France-a.zip

Zim
04-28-2008, 20:25
Thanks PK. Everything worked fine, and I was able to use the save. :thumbsup:

rossahh
04-29-2008, 09:33
http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-Byzantine.rar

_Tristan_
05-02-2008, 12:50
Played it, uolpoaded it and forgot to post it...

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-Russia.rar

:oops:

Csargo
05-04-2008, 05:37
I'll have to get to it in the tomorrow. If you want to skip my turn that's fine, but I've been a little busy.

Askthepizzaguy
05-04-2008, 05:39
I vote we wait. I'm fine with the delay, I've been busy myself. I'd prefer it if everyone got to play their own turns.

But if anyone is getting antsy, I advise not pouring wet sugar on yourself and lying around on the front lawn.





Sorry.... couldn't resist.

Csargo
05-05-2008, 05:27
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-12-Moors.rar

Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2008, 13:54
I'll volunteer to fill in for the Moors if for some reason we cannot find another substitute.

I'm still too bogged down in England for there to be any conflict of interest.

Zim
05-05-2008, 23:51
I've contacted Phonics to see if he can sub. Since GH's may take time to fix I figured it was best to get someone who isn't in this game to sub.

_Tristan_
05-06-2008, 08:41
I'm gonna be AFK from Wednesday till Monday...

If my turn comes in that time, Zim would you please sub for me ? Or find someone to do it... I have no preference...

Zim
05-06-2008, 18:17
Sure, just send me some directions if you haven't left yet. If you have I'll just do the best I can. :yes:


I'm gonna be AFK from Wednesday till Monday...

If my turn comes in that time, Zim would you please sub for me ? Or find someone to do it... I have no preference...

_Tristan_
05-07-2008, 08:51
Nothing much to do except bring the Sarkel siege at an end...

Recruit merchants from Constantinople if possible and build as much as treasury will allow (no recruitment)

That's about it... Do your best for the rest...

phonicsmonkey
05-07-2008, 09:26
wow, it's been a looooooong time since I saw the vanilla loading screen

turks are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-12-Turks.zip

Csargo
05-07-2008, 22:37
I'm going to have to withdrawal from the game. Something has gone wrong with my computer and no game will load anymore. I don't know what the problem is, or when I will be able to fix it or get a new computer. Sorry everyone.

Zim
05-07-2008, 22:56
I'm sorry to hear that Ichigo. If you'd like, I or someone else here can sub a turn or two, in case you get things working again soon. :yes:

OverKnight
05-08-2008, 14:24
Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-12-Egypt.zip

Ramses II CP
05-08-2008, 15:50
Danes are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-12-Danes.zip

Despite the assurance of the Byzantines that a ceasefire would soon follow the capture of Rhodes there has been no diplomat as yet. Weary of this war of technicality the Sultan has sent his own diplomat to request a ceasefire with the Byzantines, especially since Egypt is anxious to conclude an alliance agreement with Venice. Trade rights and map information were proposed with the Sicilians.

No other news of consequence.

:egypt:

Csargo
05-08-2008, 15:58
Seems I've jumped the gun. M2TW still loads up and is playable, the problem just seems to be with Victoria and HoI2:DD. I just assumed it was all games seems I was wrong. I can still participate.

Zim
05-09-2008, 07:00
Glad to hear you're still with us, but too bad about the Paradox games. :sweatdrop:


Seems I've jumped the gun. M2TW still loads up and is playable, the problem just seems to be with Victoria and HoI2:DD. I just assumed it was all games seems I was wrong. I can still participate.

deguerra
05-10-2008, 10:25
Poland is up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-12-Poland.rar

FactionHeir
05-10-2008, 12:48
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-12-Hungary.rar

barcamartin
05-10-2008, 16:46
http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-13-England.zip

Askthepizzaguy
05-11-2008, 01:08
http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-13-France.zip

ICantSpellDawg
05-12-2008, 03:45
http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-13-HRE.rar

Cecil XIX
05-13-2008, 00:37
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-13-Spain.zip

Zim
05-13-2008, 19:56
Hey everyone. We have a new permanant player for the Moors. Let's all welcome Smowz to the forums. ~:cheers:

GeneralHankerchief
05-13-2008, 19:58
Welcome Smowz, and best of luck. :bow:

Ferret
05-13-2008, 20:37
Hopefully there will be peace between us :bow:

Askthepizzaguy
05-13-2008, 21:01
Yes, welcome Smowz... And prepare to meet your death at the hands of the numberless Catholic horde... bwahahahaha!!!




just kidding

Smowz
05-13-2008, 22:08
Thanks for the welcome.

The Moorish people having established a foothold in the Iberian continent and having lost its old dusty homelands, are looking to adapt to the new fertile lands that have been gathered.

They thank the previous adviser 'General Hankerchief' for his impressive conquest of the Portuguese people.

We await the catholic hordes with great fervour.

Zim
05-15-2008, 07:35
Crap. Sorry, I had planned to get Mrs. Zim to play her turn today, then I'd do mine and get it uploaded. Will get it tomorrow.

On the plus side, since my turn is right after my wife's, and EF's (who I'm subbing for) is right after mine, We'll get through three turns all at once. :clown:

Ferret
05-15-2008, 10:29
remember Zim, Sicily is at peace with the Moors for now, so no attacking them :clown:

Zim
05-16-2008, 09:57
Milan's up. Don't worry, EF, I didn't attack anyone. I may or may not have moved your capital to North Africa and given all of your other settlements to Venice. :clown:

rossahh
05-16-2008, 10:09
Do I get a link or do I have to go digging in the directory?

Zim
05-16-2008, 10:14
Dig? You mean by opening the directory and pressing "Last modified" twice? ~;p

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-13-Milan.zip


Do I get a link or do I have to go digging in the directory?

rossahh
05-16-2008, 10:57
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-13-Byzantine.rar



Nothing of note. One more to go Zim.

OverKnight
05-16-2008, 12:26
I'm going to be away from my computer until Monday evening. Ramses has agreed to cover my turn if it comes up.

Zim
05-17-2008, 08:04
Russia's up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-13-Russia.zip

Csargo
05-19-2008, 19:04
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-13-Moors.rar

Smowz
05-19-2008, 22:58
Turks up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-13-Turks.rar

OverKnight
05-19-2008, 23:02
I'm a bit wiped out from my trip, I'll take the save tomorrow.

Must go nap.

OverKnight
05-21-2008, 01:01
Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-13-Egypt.zip

Ramses II CP
05-21-2008, 02:24
Danes are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-13-Danes.zip

:egypt:

deguerra
05-21-2008, 04:51
Poland:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-13-Poland.rar

FactionHeir
05-21-2008, 18:02
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-13-Hungary.rar

Why still using mizus?

barcamartin
05-22-2008, 20:18
England's up !!

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-14-England.zip

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2008, 01:00
http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-14-France.zip

France is up

Zim
05-23-2008, 01:03
I'll try to get a hold of TuffStuffMcGruff to see if he's staying in this game (he left the MPC). If not I'll sub France this turn and try to find them a permanant sub before they come up again.

ICantSpellDawg
05-24-2008, 04:51
HRE IS UP (http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-14-HRE.rar)

I'm still in this game, I just can't do two.

Cecil XIX
05-25-2008, 02:36
Spain's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Spain.zip)

Smowz
05-25-2008, 07:22
Hi all,

I will be absent over the next week. I am leaving on holiday to Scotland and will be back next sunday (1st June).

I have provisionally asked Overknight to substitute my goes but only asked 5 minutes ago so he has not obviously been able to confirm.

Sorry for the inconvenience caused.

Smowz

Zim
05-26-2008, 11:22
Sorry guys, with a holiday weekend here in the States and an upcoming deadline for some Gahzette articles I completely forgot to get Mrs. Zim to play her turn. Will do so tomorrow and as usual since my turn is right after both turns will be done one after the other. :bow:

Zim
05-27-2008, 10:39
Sicily is up, I'll check with EF to see if he still needs me to sub.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Sicily.zip

Ferret
05-27-2008, 11:00
Yeah I do, I'm going to be gone all day in a few minutes.

Zim
05-28-2008, 23:17
Milan is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Milan.zip

rossahh
05-29-2008, 09:30
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Byzantine.rar

_Tristan_
05-29-2008, 20:42
Russia :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Russia.rar

Csargo
05-31-2008, 07:53
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Moors.rar

Zim
05-31-2008, 08:14
Hey guys, I will be going on a trip with my wife until Monday. Smowz is set to be back just in time for his turn (Sunday), so he should be able to play it. I will pm Overknight his password just in case, though, and authorize Overknight to pick someone else to sub if he can't do it. :yes:

OverKnight
05-31-2008, 11:21
I'll play if needed, but the moors seem to be at a delicate point, and I'd rather not dip my toes into a war I'm not familiar with. Unless there are vociferous objections I'd suggest waiting a bit for Smowz.

Smowz
06-01-2008, 16:45
Just tried to take my go, however upon loading the previous save I noticed that it was labelled as Russia's go, I assume Ichigo may have forgotten to end his turn?

I am back from my holidays and I thank Overknight for being prepared to take my go on short notice.

Csargo
06-02-2008, 02:06
Oops, sorry about that. You can just end my turn can't you? We're half a world away from each other so I don't mind you seeing any of my things. If not I'll go back and do it myself.

Smowz
06-02-2008, 07:58
Yeah i still need your password to do so Ichigo I think, maybe Zim can do it if you are afk.

Zim
06-04-2008, 08:36
I'll take care of this, but it will take a day (I'm on dial up right now and can't upload saves easily).

Csargo
06-04-2008, 08:41
I sent him my password earlier while he was online, so it should be fine now.

Smowz
06-04-2008, 09:23
I am at work now, so I will get on to playing my turn when I get home later in about 8 hours time.

Sorry for the delay.

Smowz
06-04-2008, 16:30
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Turks.rar

Turks up (finally i hear you mutter!!!)

OverKnight
06-06-2008, 05:56
Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Egypt.zip

Ramses II CP
06-06-2008, 14:35
Danes are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Danes.zip

Not worth posting in the diplomatic thread, but FYI Egypt is now at peace with the Byzantine Empire and allied to Hungary and Venice.

:egypt:

deguerra
06-07-2008, 01:44
Poland is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Poland.rar

FactionHeir
06-08-2008, 00:31
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-14-Hungary.rar

barcamartin
06-09-2008, 23:02
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-England.zip

Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2008, 23:41
Excellent news, my lords! We have successfully financed our first loan to our worthy allies. May they spend these 4000 florins well.

Should anyone else seek a loan, please contact the First Bank of England privately, as we have many more florins to spare. Your loans will not only finance the expansion of your respective nations, but that of England's as well. In our case, we seek to trade with our neighbors and we are currently constructing farms and trade buildings. The English empire will thrive on commerce, not warfare!

We also wish to announce that we have purchased Lisbon from the Moors, as we are an equal oppurtunity lender and investor. Now perhaps we can negotiate a final cease-fire and surrender agreement with the Moors, that no more blood will be shed.

Can there be a peace between the nations in Iberia? War is bad for trade, m'lords. Perhaps the Moors would be willing to offer a settlement to either the Spanish or the Italians? Then surely peace will be upon us, and mercy will be granted to the Muslims in Spain.

What do my Catholic allies think of this peace plan?

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-France.zip

Our noble ally, France, is now ready to complete their season's movements.

rossahh
06-10-2008, 03:26
I don't think the Moors have too many other settlements to give. By my count it's just Granada and Cordoba left under Moorish control.



For now, anyway.

Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2008, 03:58
Precisely why it seems prudent for them to surrender now, rather than be eliminated entirely. The Moors have cooperated with all peace treaties and cease-fires up to this point. As a vassal kingdom, they could be quite useful in supplying regular tribute.

The peaceful Kingdom of England wishes the bloodshed to end, and a peace treaty be drawn up. (Kind of one of the conditions of being granted Lisbon was to petition for a peace settlement)

The Kingdom of England would smile greatly upon all nations who would show mercy here, for mercy is the message of the Lord, and will be rewarded with the friendship and gratitude of England.

ICantSpellDawg
06-10-2008, 12:41
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-HRE.rar

HRE Is Up

I'm all for peace. Anything I can do to help ensure it.

Smowz
06-10-2008, 16:28
We are pleased to have found some members of the Christian faith that would do to listen and indeed provide diplomatic aid to the Moorish people.

Having given up our homelands and found a peace settlement with Sicily we now openly will listen to terms that will allow us to exist in harmony with the Hispanic presence on Iberia.

Cecil XIX
06-11-2008, 00:00
Spain. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-Spain.zip)

Zim
06-11-2008, 07:52
Can't speak completely for Mrs. Zim (would be dead if I tried. :clown: ) but I imagine for a peace settlement with Lisbo being sold to the English she will want at least one of the Moors' remaining settlements (vassalage isn't worht much in MTW2, less so with real players, and I'll tell her as much) and to negotiatie with the French for one of the two remaining rebel formerly Portuguese settlements, or alternatively to negotiate with the French for both rebel former Portuguese settlements, and some kind of short term tribute deal with the Moors.

Venice has no real stake in the war and only sought to help her allies Portugal and Spain. We will be happy to withdraw if peace is made between Spain and the Moors.

I would suggest giving the Moors free access to at least one of the rich trade goods around Timbuktu to ensure their viability as a faction.

Ferret
06-11-2008, 11:22
"Peace is for the women, and the weak" listen to Menelaus :yes:

But I suppose that makes peace acceptable for Spain doesn't it...

Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2008, 12:06
Seems rather sexist, that first part. Also, the second part is a bit short sighted, isn't it?

Peace is for the weak? HAH! Endless warfare is for the weak, for it shows a supreme weakness in diplomacy, and it's a gargantuan waste of human life, resources, money, and causes the deaths of nations, and the destruction of countless families.

Seems to me the only ones who cling to warfare are the ones who are unskilled at everything else.

Said the guy who routinely destroys everything he sees.

Csargo
06-13-2008, 05:17
Gonna have to dropout of this. Computer died.

Zim
06-13-2008, 23:21
Sorry to hear that, Ichigo.~:(

We seem to be on the verge of a peace settlement between The Moors and the factions there are at war with. Should we let things freeze for a bit while it's ironed out? Or just keep going the next few turns as if the war is on? Something else?

FactionHeir
06-14-2008, 00:05
I say keep going. People lose interest if things slow down even more

Askthepizzaguy
06-14-2008, 00:54
I propose we continue and just have his allies sub his turns for him until a replacement can be found.

Is it possible to turn it over to the computer?

Zim
06-14-2008, 01:04
For waiting I was thinking more of the Moorish peace deal, but I guess we'll just have to go ahead until it is figured out.

I'll probably sub a few turns for Ichigo so he can take the faction back if he gets his computer fixed soon.

Askthepizzaguy
06-14-2008, 01:08
I propose that all of the allies who are fighting against the Moors hold a vote on a peace settlement, which should settle the dispute.

It makes little difference to me. But I'd still advocate a peace deal since they seem willing to cooperate.

Zim
06-14-2008, 01:16
Smowz has already agreed to something, and I'm (Venice) happy as long as the remaining Catholic Iberian faction is. rossahh and TuffStuffMcGruff (over the issue of formerly Portuguese territories in the north) still need to be contacted. To be honest the selling off of Lisbon has caused the biggest hitch in peace talks, since before that the Moors still had the option of ceding a territory without completely ruining their viability as a faction. :clown:

Askthepizzaguy
06-14-2008, 02:22
You just wont let England catch a break, will ya?

LOL

There's NOWHERE for me to expand. I'm just glad I have a mainland province again.

Zim
06-14-2008, 04:53
Won't let them have a break> Since when have I been picking on England? :clown:

If anything, it's the Moors who sold away one of their better bargaining chips. ~;p

rossahh
06-14-2008, 05:27
If the Moors want peace, let them talk to the nations who they are at war with. Going through a nation without a vested interest in the conflict and the means to intefere wasn't the best way.

We have Granada completely cut off and it can be taken by my troops next turn (which will happen soon). For some strange reason you've given up Lisbon which leaves you with just Cordoba. Can Cordoba really hold out against our 3 nations? Even if someone decides to help you, there is no way for them to be able to prevent the defeat of your people. You're in a terrible position if you haven't realised it yet.


If you really want peace, now is the time to start grovelling.

Askthepizzaguy
06-14-2008, 05:45
England just shrugs... it was worth a shot.

:shrug:

deguerra
06-15-2008, 08:54
hey guys. Zim's computer has needed to be reformatted, and while it's looking to make a recovery, I will be doing his and his wife's turn. Just give me a few more hours!

sorry for all the delays!

deguerra
06-15-2008, 09:21
Ok. Please take note of the following completely non-binding statements:

Spain: Is willing to take the peace offer.

Venice: Has intentionally besieged Granada, but will break off the siege once a satisfactory peace deal is made.

Sicily is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-Sicily.rar

Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2008, 14:42
what are the terms? Should the Moors be the ones to offer the terms? Seems the victors should offer terms.

Ferret
06-15-2008, 18:57
Milan is up:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-Milan.rar

IC:What terms? I can see no need to end the war, after all the Moors still occupy rightful Spanish lands. If anyone is dictate terms let it be the Spanish King, it is his lands we are discussing.

Askthepizzaguy
06-16-2008, 00:31
That seems fair. I believe the Spanish King would be the proper one to dictate terms of surrender.

King of Spain; if there is anything England can do to assist in the peace process, please let us know.

deguerra
06-16-2008, 00:34
as temporary viceroy of Spain, let me say I have no idea :shame:

Sorry, but you'll have to wait until Zim and Mrs Zim come back online, hopefully soon :2thumbsup:

Askthepizzaguy
06-16-2008, 00:40
England would be willing to front 500 florins to delay any further hostilities, kind viceroy. In return we we ask for a temporary and informal cease-fire until the parties resume negotiations.

rossahh
06-16-2008, 14:43
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-Byzantine.rar

_Tristan_
06-17-2008, 11:45
Russia :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-Russia.rar

Cecil XIX
06-22-2008, 22:38
Bump.

Zim
06-24-2008, 06:58
Sorry about the delay. With Ichigo having computer issues I'll try to sub Russia for a few turns while we see if he can get things fixed. Otherwise we'll find another player for the country.

Since reformatting my computer I no longer have winrar, could someone upload a zipped version of the save? Alternatively, an ally of Russia with winrar can go ahead and take the turn.

rossahh
06-24-2008, 09:25
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-Russia.zip

Zim
06-25-2008, 08:45
Thank Rossahh, but I'm afraid you just zipped the save Tristan uploaded so when I extracted it, it was still a .rar file. :clown:

OverKnight
06-25-2008, 08:55
From the Guild's Freeware and Open Source Software Thread:

7-zip
Homepage (http://www.7-zip.org/)
OS: Win, Linux/Unix, Mac(?)
Open Source: Yes
Description: Open source zip tool. Supports:
* Packing / unpacking: 7z, ZIP, GZIP, BZIP2 and TAR
* Unpacking only: RAR, CAB, ARJ, LZH, CHM, Z, CPIO, RPM and DEB

I use this to unpack .rar files from LotR. Works fine and it's 840 KB.

Zim
06-26-2008, 07:55
Moors are up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15Moors.zip

Smowz
06-26-2008, 18:31
The Moors agree to the peace offer as it stands.

In the meantime

http://http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/ 2GHC-15Turks.rar

The Turks are up.

Cecil XIX
07-03-2008, 15:03
Bump.

Askthepizzaguy
07-03-2008, 15:05
What? It's only been a week. Surely deadlines don't need to be enforced... :laugh2:

Privateerkev
07-03-2008, 15:39
OK has been busy "subverting the will of the Magnaura and bringing the wrath of TinCow upon our heads." His words, not mine, as he told me in a PM. :clown:

FactionHeir
07-03-2008, 23:36
Why isn't anyone skipping his turn?

Askthepizzaguy
07-03-2008, 23:41
Whoever has his password isn't telling, apparently.

Who is moderating/enforcing this game?

Ramses II CP
07-03-2008, 23:50
Hrm, I had his PW and I'm sure he'd be fine with me subbing, but I think I deleted the PM and I'm having trouble DL'ing files anyway. I'll send OK a pm.

Zim was moderating here, and he's been pretty up and down busy.

:egypt:

FactionHeir
07-03-2008, 23:50
Zim is. But someone else subbed for OK before so they would know it too.

Ramses II CP
07-04-2008, 23:14
I have the save, the Turkish turn is done, and now I just have to decide if I want to declare the counter jihad now or wait and let OK do it next year. :laugh4:

I should be done and have it uploaded by tonight.

:egypt:

OverKnight
07-05-2008, 04:17
Ah crap, I haven't been paying much attention to the Throne Room during the long hiatus and I wasn't informed by PM that my turn was up. Apologies.

uh. . .carry on then.

Ramses II CP
07-06-2008, 05:29
Okay, at long last, the Danes are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15Danes.zip

I don't suppose I have to reveal whether or not the jihad was launched... Time and hordes of warriors will reveal, of course, but for Egypt's part I will vow that no nation which is not at war with Egypt or Turkey will be a target or have her lands trod upon by Egyptian soldiers. :yes:

:egypt:

Ferret
07-06-2008, 15:35
I'm gonna be going on holiday for a week tomorrow, and wont have any internet. Can Zim sub for me again please?

deguerra
07-07-2008, 09:50
will do this tonight.

deguerra
07-07-2008, 15:21
Poland is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-Poland.rar

:2thumbsup:

FactionHeir
07-07-2008, 19:24
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-15-Hungary.rar

barcamartin
07-09-2008, 13:13
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UAPZEFQJ

Sorry about both delaying and using Megaupload, but here's the save for England anyway.

ICantSpellDawg
07-09-2008, 20:54
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UAPZEFQJ

Sorry about both delaying and using Megaupload, but here's the save for England anyway.

That isn't a file link.

Arn't I still France? Isnt Askthepizzaguy England? What happened?

Zim
07-09-2008, 21:56
ATPG is England, and hidden among the giant ads is a download button to the top right. :clown:

Here's a link to the save on the Org backup uploader. :yes:

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/2GHC-16-England.zip

barcamartin
07-10-2008, 10:21
Thanks for that Zim. ;)

Askthepizzaguy
07-11-2008, 01:47
I was away for over a day, but I will complete my turn now.

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/2GHC-16-France.zip

Here it is. Tuff, youre up!

ICantSpellDawg
07-13-2008, 02:12
Where is the new upload?
The file is ready to go, but neither of the 2 sites are working for me.

Cecil XIX
07-13-2008, 02:31
When neither uploaders are working, we generally use rapidshare.

ICantSpellDawg
07-13-2008, 02:59
http://rapidshare.com/files/129272461/2GHC-16-HRE.rar.html

HRE is UP.

Cecil XIX
07-13-2008, 06:57
Spain's up. (http://rapidshare.com/files/129301256/2GHC-16-Spain.zip.html)

Zim
07-14-2008, 08:05
Mrs. Zim's and my turns should be finished tomorrow night. :yes:

Zim
07-15-2008, 09:30
Sicily's up. I think EF is getting back from vacation within a day. If he doesn't get back in time I'll sub his turn.

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/2GHC-16-Sicily.zip

Ferret
07-15-2008, 21:36
I am back! A little (or a lot) tired right now so I'll play this tomorrow morning GMT if that's okay.

Ferret
07-16-2008, 12:16
uhhhh where is the save?

Zim
07-16-2008, 22:48
What are you taling about? It's always been in my post above. Didn't edit the post at all. :clown:

Privateerkev
07-16-2008, 22:50
Last edited by Zim; Today at 16:49

liar... :brood:




:clown:

Ferret
07-17-2008, 11:37
rossahh is up:
http://mizus.org/files/pbm/2GHC-16-Milan.rar

rossahh
07-17-2008, 12:34
I'm nearly dead on my feet, so I'll do it after I finish school tomorrow.

rossahh
07-19-2008, 02:28
http://mizus.org/files/pbm/2GHC-16-Byzantine.zip

_Tristan_
07-19-2008, 09:43
Save for Russia :

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-16-Russia.rar

turcoman
07-19-2008, 11:08
Hi if any player needed i can play.

Which turn are you in?

barcamartin
07-19-2008, 17:18
I have handed regency of Hungary over to turcoman. I am in too many hotseats right now, and with the new BC hotseat about to get underway I need to free some space up in my agenda. ;)

Anyway, good luck turc !!

Zim
07-19-2008, 22:13
We're on turn 16. Good luck with Hungary. :yes:


Hi if any player needed i can play.

Which turn are you in?

turcoman
07-21-2008, 20:45
I need pass for hungary.
Also do we autoresolve?
Also what shall i put to my medieval2preferences.cfg file?

_Tristan_
07-22-2008, 17:45
Pass word for ungary should be asked from Zim or barcamartin.

All battles are auto-resolved.

You do not need to change anything in your .cfg file.

Zim
07-22-2008, 20:25
Pmed turcoman the password. I'll sub Russia's turn today.

Zim
07-24-2008, 04:36
http://mizus.org/files/pbm/2GHC-16-Moors.zip

I think Smowz will be out for a while but there's not much for the Moors to do this turn. I'll sub the turn once I make sure he's still out.

Zim
07-25-2008, 09:42
Turks are up.

http://mizus.org/files/pbm/2GHC-16-Turks.zip