ive never seen ladd meet so little resistance in a game lol, idk what that means but it might mean something
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ive never seen ladd meet so little resistance in a game lol, idk what that means but it might mean something
okay now i have an independent townread on cape as well, those last few posts were quite good
how do i iso
i think the more i post the more people are paranoid of meQuote:
Originally Posted by illario
so the solution is just to do nothing. wish i figured it out 4 years ago tho
click on "replies" on the thread. its like the syndicateQuote:
Originally Posted by illario
@Achro why did u believe dya over there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
Anyway I have errands to run soon and it isn't out of the possibility that when I am done I just crash so here's a list of people I don't have a good reason to not vote today.
Boq
dyachei
EnderWiggin
illario
ladd
Syn
Wisdom
My lack of a strong feeling of a scum read makes me think I might have a blindspot in my reasoning on one of illario/ender since I am purposefully trying to be distant on those slots to see what develops. But at the same time this could apply to dya as well who is just unable to be here atm. If there is any scum in that group then it only requires a couple of people to be a timely playing well.
I feel like everyone not named I have a good reason to think they are town. Most likely misclears are nutella (relies a bit much on me reading into how they would treat me), robyn (is a bit off from how I imagine they would treat me, or rask (if they are a good power wolf then that uninformed stance would probably be in their wheel house)
I usually miss one smh
I tend to think wolves get in their own head about posting stuff like that early and delete it rather than posting it. Enough for an early town lean anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by illario
id have prob believed dya opening as well if they didnt make the exact same opening last game over here (as a villager)
it got them (rightfully) villa read them in that game so i think its pretty ez for dya to decide to re do it as a wolf
i dont see it lol, i do however see an option to report you :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
Well yes, that does negate any sort of reliability it has lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
Attachment 26397Quote:
Originally Posted by illario
click replies here
achro/boq/dya/illario/ladd/lapras/visor/wisdom
achro - liked a few small things but always found reasons not to like them all that much, frankly i think i WANT him to be town more than he's been actually towny, i think his treatment of my slot is probably the towniest thing that he's done because he appears inquisitive there whereas my experience with wolves reading me is that they are more opportunistic
boq - frankly his posting just doesn't really register in my brain and it's completely my fault, i can't say i've found him super towny, wouldn't mind him getting day 1ed, one thing i noticed is that he seems less self-assured about his slot than usual (i'm accustomed to him being snarky when suspected and i don't think i've seen that this game) which i think is wolfy for him but i haven't given his posts due diligence yet so i'll likely do that soon
dya - can barely play today and has explained why, realistically this is null and i don't want to go here d1
illario - i think he's very subdued, frankly i'm still waiting for him to get into the game, if i were to make a judgment call on his alignment right now i would say he's a wolf playing for thread positioning with cards close to his chest but i'm nowhere near confident enough on that call to push him rn, he had that ender/achro thought process earlier which looked like agenda to me when i saw it but i decided to give him time and he didn't evolve the thought which i'm not sure what it means but i might as well mention it right now as i don't think he'll be progressing with these thoughts any time soon anyway, tldr i'm actually leaning wolf but not confident enough to push it through rn
ladd - similar case but he had a couple of posts that looked solid enough, the wolfread on boq in particular is different from how he treated and pushed his wolfread on ender when he was a wolf in the last game i played here; i don't sense agenda in this boq read, while the ender read in the previous game i played with ladd was an agenda-based read; he's just approaching it differently and i lean him town for it
lapras - i still don't think he's been towny and i feel like he's lost this game (which is the most charitable way i can put it), i find his wolfreads suspect because the wisdom take seems undercooked and the wolfread on me is just omgus, our townreads were similar at least but the places in which we had the same townreads were not exactly difficult conclusions to reach fmpov so it could be a wolf bending to the threadstate in that way, i feel like i'm somewhat likely to be confbiasing here so i'm trying to stay open to other options but i don't think his responses to me have been great either, i should probably stop talking about this slot here
visor - he said he's barely had time to play the game and i believe him, similar case to dya, he does have a bit more content but i don't think he's particularly readable off that content
wisdom - the fact i don't have a townread there yet is maybe alarming but we've barely posted around the same time as one another, instinctively i don't really want to kill them and i feel like they might be town but i don't have an actual reason to believe this
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summary:
adding ladd to my townreads
don't want to execute dya or visor today
also don't want to execute wisdom but i don't have a reason for it so if others feel confident it's a hit i'm willing to go along with it
kinda don't want to go achro but it's for biased reasons so same deal here
boq/illario/lapras are my preference, but i'm hesitant on illario, i have to properly read boq, and i think i might be confbiased on lapras, so i can't say i feel great about any of these three reads rn lmao
i'd like to discuss these slots with others honestly
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sorry if that was hard to read but i find myself having an easier time expressing my mafia-related thoughts when i do it like this
big tl;dr: i'd like to discuss boq illario lapras achro wisdom
if my townreads don't have a misclear (which they might but i'm hoping they don't) and if dya/visor are both villagers (which is unclear rn but i'm basically giving them a pass for today) this grouping contains all the wolves
it's... probably not that simple but yeah
actually i think lapras is the most important to discuss because if i really am tunneled there i need to get out of it now
vulgard did u forget about me
@Vulgard tbf one thing you might be seeing is I am purposefully not fulfilling a role you usually see me in as 'town leader.' I think back to conversations I have had with jjj about being the player town needs game to game rather than the same player every time. I think what I actually do best is find town heartbeats where many cannot, so I am focused on that.
no i just think you're town rn and i've been focusing on slots other than youQuote:
Originally Posted by robyn
are you asking for attention?
thats solid advice imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
i'm not actually sure if that's a factor in my read on you, but i did notice that you've been playing differentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
i'm trying to adapt my reading of you to that fact
only if you mean sexuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard
you're asking the wrong personQuote:
Originally Posted by robyn
Before all of the bad times, I non difference checked jack/nanook/someone else(I forget now) as soon as I came in for all being fooled by scum. And if I had just stuck to that maybe things go different.Quote:
Originally Posted by illario
Focused achro is strong achro.
i feel like if i hadn't played with illario several times i'd be pushing him hard rn
i believe you and dont disagree on the latter eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
LOL, i do tend to attract that with people who arent familiar with meQuote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard
i feel like this games either gonna be fairly straight forward or pretty tough, hopefully it will be evident after d1
@ladd why did u think it was medium difficulty?
illario feels off but i don’t think it’s ai
it’s also comparable to the feeling off feeling i felt in tacky matrix game
@Lapras why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lapras
who do you think are wolves atm?Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
No obvious wolves but a bunch of obv villasQuote:
Originally Posted by illario
wow get outta my head lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
except we came to dif conclusions, but similar enough process ig
syn/cape/vulgard/lapras/rask/nutellaQuote:
Originally Posted by illario
visor/ladd/illario/achro/ender
boq/wisdom/dya
i think top row should be all town
bottom two have all wolves
it’s big and not too ordered but i think that i’m solving in dz town worlds more than you town worlds
assuming you’re town that clears visor and like if you’re both clear my top row is clear
i think if you’re both wolves you can catch one, and it’s either an easy or a hard world as you’ve said
i am gonna put more effort into this after i sleep but that’s where i’m at
then my top row isn?t clear*
how does us two being clear make your top row clear? can you talk about the lapras read? how come u didnt feel like discussing it with vuldaddy when he wanted someone to discuss it with considering u both have him in dif positions?Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
think ladd prob v. I was thinking to myself that boq's reads felt bad and was wondering if he was wolfing right when ladd said something about w reading boq.
Also think ladd thinking about my opening pretty v
boq saying that wisdom or cape has solved the game really pinged me and Idk why but I dont like it
vote: boquise
i imagine i was on and sent a few minutes during that but i took a midterm today (24h take home midterm) so i wasn’t reading beyond small postsQuote:
Originally Posted by illario
should’ve/would’ve but midterms
i said that btwQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
in my mountainous game dz wasn’t live chatting much at all and the thread wasn’t hard to follow
he’s here and live chatting and taking stances and i don’t associate that with his wolf game
also some micro town moment things and i believe achro had an epic tr on him too
i thought ladd said it too?Quote:
Originally Posted by illario
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
these @illarioQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
dya what’s ur read on me and do you have any anti consensus reads
@robyn sorry I didn't see this on phoneQuote:
Originally Posted by robyn
Hopefully I've posted enough reads for you to be satisfied by now!
sorry i shoulda been more specificQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
"boq saying that wisdom or cape has solved the game really pinged me and Idk why but I dont like it"
that was me :sweatdrop:
Solving like they do as town + really meta driven (as wolf i remember they were really logic driven and thats gow they wolf in turbos) + quite like antagonistic n out there which is generically towny. Lots of early hot takes tooQuote:
Originally Posted by illario
Thats what i recall
ah lol i finally see what u meant, thats a more likely take than i initially thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
tinfoil on rask is probs goners now
What did you not like about boq reads?Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
Vote: illario
Actually, lock wolf. Has done something I mostly see in their wolf play.
I wanna say Cape is wolfy too but idk how much of that is "How does Cape read me so badly after seeing me wolf twice recently and being so obviously in my villa meta comparatively." and how much of it is "Waa waa I have too good a wolf range and I don't think I'm as hard to read as I am."
So I'm reserving Cape into the "Mr Boomerang no likey" reads but not wolf reading them.
@illarioQuote:
Originally Posted by Lapras
curious to know what this is lol, esp since we just got out of a wolf game together ive been most curious about your take on me than anyone elses lolQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
while ur here can u explain these early takes too?Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
My interest in explaining it is correlative to my interest in checking games to make sure I'm as right as I think I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by illario
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
well u did just call me a lock wolf lol, dont you wanna be sure you're right on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
or was that mostly said for effect/reactions?
Syn is still town. Just process from their play.Quote:
Originally Posted by illario
Vul early posts felt not towny. I found Vul last game we played so I figured I could again.
But then I found them later so nyeh.
I thought you were town early based off your lack of care on some things but I have decided I was wrong.
I sat upon the stairs of glory and looked past to the event horizon. Upon the horizon I saw the past and future melding together into a mess of supernova.Quote:
Originally Posted by illario
And in the centre of that supernova I heard the words of true enlightenment.
"Happy is a wolf."
I found release upon the truth imbued within these sacred words.
tbh same
:eyes: tho cuz i know you like it when your wolf for ppl to extrapolate on why they tr you....so if happys a wolf i can see a world where youve asked him to ask this q.Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
But this is obv just wild tinfoil based on theory you'd like to troll me and your probs just town
i’ve cleverly dmed you the exact post where you said that about meQuote:
Originally Posted by Lapras
i wasn’t asking for illario to elaborate on why he tr me but i wanted him go take a more assertive position on my alignment because he hasn’t
I'll say this anyway because I like elaborating on all the thoughts I have but illario feels like they often tend to settle back and let other people do reads as wolf, but they explicitly do this kind of thing where they vote/push/do things and then back off it and unvote as if to settle on the back foot and wait for other people to do things so they see where the flow is going?
But I'm not bothering to check this at midnight to see if I'm misremembering.
But also their treatment of me feels off for their town play when we rand v/v.
Robyn is managing to stand on the line where their alignment is on either side and refuses to jump to either side.
am i just null or have you gotten wolf and town pingsQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by robyn
Syn and Vul are so town that they towned the town in towning mctownerson.
This is all.
normally i think it’s a bit of both when people say yes to “or” questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
but it’s mafia and specifics matter
which is it
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
Sup,
can someone tl;dr me the lasst 10 pages? I am reading but might take a while.
ender is outed because i caught him bedding a twinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
rask near lock town status too then?Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by robyn
Idk I have to MD his mum first.Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
Bro, ur wolfy. I have real several post of yours pushing that line: basically I am a wolf because I posted I dunno u.Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
.
You and Wisdom shading me immediatly after Boq's random vote is somethiing tbh
@WisdomQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
pls do. with extreme prejudice.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
oh lol. some stuff from you has pinged me, like the whole made up reads business. still not sure what you were hoping to achieve, for someone who wanted to rush us out of rvs i dont think you have done much with the info in the thread since. most of the reads you have given have felt kinda easy to give and some of them im not sure i buy the explanations to. your continual focus on how im reading you might be towny (?), it usually is >rand v for people in general but i suppose i wouldnt put it past wolf!you to try and keep tabs on me to see if u got me tricked or not since you would probably get satisfaction out of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
"i will re read ender and boq bc i figure that harder stances on these two players will be illuminating"
kinda liked that post from you
but then some other posts you ask i dont really get, mostly your questions, i dont see where you're going with them
"dya what’s ur read on me and do you have any anti consensus reads"
like this one, not sure why you're particularly concerned with dyas read on you, and not sure why you are concerned about them having anti consensus reads or not since your own reads so far have lined up with consensus. i dont really see how asking any of that helps u solve dya there.
u have a lack of pushes, tbh i dont recall if this is AI for you in any way
ummm what else. ig i think i would expect you to maybe post more as a wolf? Since you have generally been focusing on keeping a high post count in the other games u were a wolf, but you could also be burnt out a bit or be expecting me to expect that so i havent really factored that into my read on you too much.
@ladd iso and give a read on me thanks
thats a pretty decent observation, i do infact do that at times as a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
god that post is quite literally solving my slot incarnate and all you’re missing is an ending
yes volume count isn’t ai for me, i’ve proven that much
and i don’t think that pushing people is particularly ai, i’m cautious to push people in this playerlist because most people seem to have meta on one another and i really don’t wanna be wrong
and yeah i haven’t been paying too much attention to this game, yesterday was a midterm worth 25% of my grade lol
i just realised all of this can be easily summarised with:Quote:
Originally Posted by illario
"if you're town im struggling to see how anything you have done so far has advanced towns win con in any way, and that is something i expect you can and should be able to do as town"
vote: Wisdom
Their ISO is just shades and baseless pushes (Visor, me). I don't believe them when they imply they couldn't characterize my wolf game, while proceeding to shade me for the rest of the ISO with Achro's help.