Cereal killer mafia

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Originally Posted by Cape90

yo ender

#191

thx for the ammo

Vote: Sleep

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Waitasec

Why are you voting him and not me? Iirc I’m the one you’ve had floating suspicion here and there on while thinking his posts look obvtown. If that’s ammo for us being partners, why not vote the one you’ve expressed more doubts on?

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Originally Posted by ladd

i dunno lol best i'll say is "its not impossible", not v helpful i know

every team i come up with doesnt leave me 100% satisfied so i feel i am def missing something



I don't follow this post...like at all. why do you wanna dayvig visor? taffy flipped vt so visor was almost surely just the nk



what was your theory with how that worked with visor claiming his vest got popped?

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Originally Posted by ladd

Silly question of the day -



Did you know who sleep was here?

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Originally Posted by ladd

did you vote barto just to tie wagons and see what happened or was there something more?

can you talk to me about your vote on barto at eod?

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Originally Posted by ladd

i also wanna say it's been a fun game to me, regardless of whats gonna be the answer this has been a fun puzzle

maybe its cause I have had a lot of time compared to my usual available time these days, but its been cool trying to piece things together

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I've enjoyed this game and playing with you guys as well. I know I got frustrated last night, but overall I've had fun. I was really worried what a game with these deadlines would be and if I'd be able to keep up, so I'm pleasantly surprised.

OH also ender is probably just town. My growing suspicion overnight was based on me doubting that we had a joat with a heal and a bp giver as town. But without that, he's probably just our healer role.

Weird, not sure why my computer kept all those quotes when I already responded to them.

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sleep since sod2

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Speaking of which, Syn I expect town!you to be obtuse, but still if you could like reeval some reads it would be huge. Because you are tunneling me since my first lol post and its getting old.

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I have nothing to re-eval on. you are posting textbook rask wolf posts, why would I change my read on you

Lol u trolls. U will owe me apologies after this game.

sup

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Originally Posted by Sleep

sup

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Sup

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Visor

Sup

Thoughts?

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idk

if i'm being honest i saw ender opening the day with casing me and got annoyed because i'm sick of getting tunneled for nonsense in every game, worst part is that hes almost certainly town doing it given the claims. i just dont have the stamina to argue with people like that anymore.

and given that, means syn/ender/you all town

does not change a lot for me - i still think suiban is likely to be town, have not head reason to suspect this is not her town game and dont think she has this much energy as scum esp. after not drawing it in forver. maybe im getting owned but if i am o well

i didn't like cape's posting at EOD - it felt posture-y in terms of how he seemed to setting up future votes with what he was saying

dunno feels increasingly probable that someone bussed barto - that's just kind of the feeling i get from how the game is going

oh yeah and i guess i should say EOD is again at a bad time for me but this time i'll try to actually get work in before i have to leave

i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it

vote: cape

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

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Just because I can find something towny about you, doesn't mean you still aren't sus to me.

Reminder that I was also defending the Wisdom slot

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it

vote: cape

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This is exactly a textbook wolf response to my shrug push on you

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I am just trying to make sense of the claims rn. Who lied, etc... How is Visor alive if he the vest wasn't active?

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I dunno what is hard to understand about

EW gave vest to Visor
Visor was the NK
Visor got protected by the vest
Something something order of operations but for PRs in a mafia game. Like vest>NK

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Originally Posted by ladd

i really dont think rask is posting like a wolf with TMI today

assuming visor was indeed the n1 nk, its hard for a wolf to say the stuff rask is saying so openly lol


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Ladd come on

If we are to believe Syn, which I do, then Visor has to be the NK logically given Taffy is fake and 2 PR is believeable, not 3 not 1

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Well I know I am going to conf-biais myself prolly but this is Cape's first sentence toDay. Sounds like someone really eagger to post he wasn't fooled by Taffy smh.


Think Ladd is town, Visor is too, Syn is too prolly (fwiw Syn, I am not the guy who kills Visor N1 every game lol. I can link a game offsite where I milked him tilll he was the last MLs). Gotta work out the rest. l8r

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I kinda was. Correct.

I like being right on things

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Originally Posted by ladd

I mean cape also said yesterday at eod that he wasnt sure about taffy being real so it adds up. I dont really think thats wolfy from cape

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A BP vest giver

And a 1 shot vig

Esp the later one is covered by JOAT

Anyways this is a redundant convo

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Originally Posted by ladd

this may have been spot on but we lunched the villager from the bottom 3 lol

classic



this lacks some critical thinking on cape alignment imo

like the cape sentence feels like frustration for being caught for the wrong easons rather than evaluating if cape is a villager or a wolf pushing them




rask does still have some nice posts in their iso still tho, mostly tonally; but content wise not sue I buy the stuff they are saying so far anymore



will keep reading later

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I kinda read it as Cape is pushing me for bad reasons therefore he is wolf

I dunno if I would jump to him not critically evaluating me

Otherwise I would have called him out on it

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Originally Posted by ladd

@Cape whats your read on rask now?

why do you have me as a villager?

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I think Rask is still wolfy

Felt like Sleep was a better pressure vote just because paranoia on the slot

I did wanna eventually elaborate on my read on you/Jan both of you socially /solve wise stick out to me as particularly towny

At bowling alley rn so probably like tomorrow I will

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

see Ladd.

I mean how is this a real thought from Visor. shrug

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Are u believe the mech or not?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Just to add up on this Ladd, how do you feel about Wisdom voting Sleep alone when about to die? Because like it's just another proof your expectations are just that, expectations, and not a real reason to actually wolf read someone. And you know it.

this lacks some critical thinking on my alignment imo :curtain:

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Yeah that too it was a very circular argument to make to u

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Anyway, reread D1. Still think Syn is town. Subian lock clear imo. Cape/Kage no posts. Sleep looks OK with good tone and own thoughts but it's not like he had any influence on the flip or willingness to push somewhere outside Syn so like possible

who is left, Visor cleared, Ender cleared.

Jan/Ladd are 'could be's. Nothing totally damning but both look like great players (I now for Ladd, Jan sounds like one) so I am not sure what is out of their range at this point. Will continue in a few.

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Another thing about Jan was when I last played with Jan as wolf, he as way more underwhelming then he is here. But that was a mash so lol

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Originally Posted by ladd

ya thats something I have been considering too

how confident are you on tammy from 1 to 10? they actually look really good so I am tempted to lock them in tbh and just say kill sleep/cape/rask and win

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Sleep played plenty day 1 but then just kinda fell off a cliff and part of me thinks it has to do with El Barto going down

But that's just a theory

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Waitasec

Why are you voting him and not me? Iirc I’m the one you’ve had floating suspicion here and there on while thinking his posts look obvtown. If that’s ammo for us being partners, why not vote the one you’ve expressed more doubts on?

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Towards EOD I saw u post something really towny which made me think I were maybe just town

Or maybe it was SOD today

I think SOD actually but since I bowling I lazy

So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?

I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.

I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.

Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.

I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.

I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.

I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.

Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.

I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.

cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.

yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.

Votal 3.3

Sleep (3) - Cape (#736), Ender (#777), Jan (#796)
Rask (2) - Syn (#721), Visor (#758)
Cape (1) - Sleep (#811)

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Another thing about Jan was when I last played with Jan as wolf, he as way more underwhelming then he is here. But that was a mash so lol

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Mashes are games to be silly with friends and kill them.

Ask yogsloth for a guide to mashing beyond that.

I am still underwhelming here tbh but I should be a fairly easy read for anybody that tries.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

If you are still reading this far

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The joke's on you when I realized each paragraph is for a player I skipped to my name and then to the conclusion!

So much time saved ...

Regarding visor there are ~5 people in this game that are more used to his limitations. I trust myself more in reading tea leaves.

if he is alive in f3 I might look at him again, and question why.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?

I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.

I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.

Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.

I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.

I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.

I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.

Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.

I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.

cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.

yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.

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Super villagery post, i am finally cool with locking you in as villa (i prob should have done so a while ago lol)


To answer your question - i think visor is a villager also based on posting but i d probably be looking his way a bit more if not for the bpv stuff, simply cause everyone has at least something going for them so the bar for being called a villager this game is very high

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it

vote: cape

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I dont think anyone is really writing him off? Everyone has him PoEd afaict

Can you quote some examples of his posturing yday?

sup ladd

anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Are u believe the mech or not?

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Now I have cleared missunderstandings y. I was mostly confused by Ender.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Yeah that too it was a very circular argument to make to u

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not sure what you expect frankly. I am town and I read nonsense used to push me. Should I not point it out?

NGL I read Subian's wall and it's definatly towny, but if Gemma allowed a no kill to the woofs, this is not mafia and not what I sign up for.

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Originally Posted by Visor

sup ladd

anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape

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everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?

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Originally Posted by Jan

I think if ladd is a wolf he is mostly forced to push me into the poe slowly but surely because he just loses a f3 with tammy and myself.
But he doubled down on me as villa today.

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Originally Posted by Jan

Regarding visor there are ~5 people in this game that are more used to his limitations. I trust myself more in reading tea leaves.

if he is alive in f3 I might look at him again, and question why.

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Sup Jan, what's up with F3? Why couldn't wolf!Ladd win before that? Would you write a town case about Ladd without resorting to it?

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Originally Posted by Visor

sup ladd

anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape

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sleep posting seemed slightly wolfy mostly cause the way they went on about being suspected everytime for silly reasons...doesnt really line up with how they played so far

throwing around that someone bussed but not really following it up with ~anything in that sense and instead pushing on cape doesnt inspire me with confidence either

cape pop in was w/e

I admit I am a sucker for rask posting, everytime they post I question if they are really a wolf lol but i think jan/suibian are both more be villa than rask still + you/syn knowing rask well and still thinking they are a wolf



I wouldnt really write off cape/sleep being w/w due to them voting each other today since if thats the team they have no way out anyway and no interactions before today seem non w/w afair

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Originally Posted by Jan

everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?

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Don't bother, it's prolly better I die anyway, for town chances of winning, my sanity, and the thread mood lmao. It's sad to say, but considering the numbers of clears, and considering that I have been up for the chop for 3 days nonstop because, lol my opener, I'd rather die today. Because I am not doing this to me for another week lol. Also will get to shitpost with the friendos in dvc.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Sup Jan, what's up with F3? Why couldn't wolf!Ladd win before that? Would you write a town case about Ladd without resorting to it?

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Assuming the mech clears are true and my read on sui is correct then if ladd was a wolf then his partner is between sleep cape and you.
Easy math. No big surprise there.

And no I won't make a town case for ladd sorry.
I think he is a villa but he is also the one person in my core I can be wrong on.
He would be just locked in as villa but his d1 vote on el barto has a chance of bussing.

But all that read comes down to for me is does this feel like solving ladd and do I see him being opportunistic or prepping any kills on villas.
And looking for quotes about something he does not do is kind of difficult, but I gave an example earlier about him not doubting me at all today.

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Originally Posted by Jan

everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?

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ofc theres a chance

but heres the thing

if rasko aint a wolf, who is?

we look at sleep next and sure that looks reasonable but sleep/cape don't exactly feel aligned (unless they just decided to yolo bus to get one deep)

i could be convinced to go sleep first i guess maybe

having jan as villa is gonna be a bit meta heavy but i'll try to explain best i can without using meta too much:

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Originally Posted by Jan

Rasko jumping into the fray and basically leaving rvs 1 seconds in should read good but ..

I have trouble agreeing with several takes tbh.


Let's start with this one. Wisdom doesn't really strike me as a player who will start the game as a wolf basically asking for heat.
Which is what the initial post does.

Maybe I am missing some inside joke between the two, but Rasko has not really joked and instead played an early aggression game.


Second take is this:

In reference to this:


And I am scratching my head because Montys post in both worlds is not serious.
Copy/pasta is shitposting and partners with cuth is shitposting because cuth is not in the game.

If this was a toan read or something like that I could accept it, but that reason makes so little sense to me.

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i think everyone who had this thought on rask's inital posting is a villager tbh nd i think this is a villagery observation from jan

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Originally Posted by Jan

I find myself agreeing with all of ladds words while not feeling like he added a lot new to the game. (basically only the el barto meta)

Makes me think I am good at ww or being pocketed.
Fine with either tbh.

Or we just both suck.

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this lines up with how jan would treat me as a villager. It would have been easy to just throw a villa read on me for th epocket but there is that hint of paranoia that a villager has

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Originally Posted by Jan

don't bother. I have accepted my fate as n1 sacrifice.

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this is 100% meta read but I just bought his answer and self confidence to me even throwing his name around as possible wolf

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Originally Posted by Jan

Still alive?

Odd kill.

I am not really happy about that flip tbh.

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~no wolf says this about a wolf flip imo lol

(and again lines up with how jan feels baout this type of stuff)

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Originally Posted by Jan

I had one vote all day and that was barto based on his first and only post.
Everybody that has any idea how to read me had me as villager.

The main reason for me not to die is because some people don't know me.

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again, villagery self-confidence and I buy he thinks this

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Originally Posted by Jan

Kind of why ladd and you are not in my actual villa circle and have your own separate slots.

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Originally Posted by Jan

I can easily see wolf!ladd putting down this vote expecting it to be offwagon.

Again not where I want to look right now.
His vote still killed a wolf in the end.

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and here he could have easily just be going for the pocket on me/cisor but again he keeps us at arms lenght with that villagery paranoia


will stop quoting but then he has:

- the questioning of syn claim which is >rand v cause wolves would know it's real and i dont really see them questioning it that much, especially since jan even tried to link syn to me

- the reaction to finding out visor was the nk was funny but also genuinely villagery

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Originally Posted by Visor

ofc theres a chance

but heres the thing

if rasko aint a wolf, who is?

we look at sleep next and sure that looks reasonable but sleep/cape don't exactly feel aligned (unless they just decided to yolo bus to get one deep)

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You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.

Of course you all need my flip to realise it.

I hope it will help you.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.

Of course you all need my flip to realise it.

I hope it will help you.

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who do you think are the wolves then, ladd/jan?

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Originally Posted by ladd

~no wolf says this about a wolf flip imo lol

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a wolf would say this reading Monty's flip and not Visor's :curtain:

(ngl I was amused by this post from Jan, because it's certainly, how to say it, odd. I don't think there are a lot of villagers who write things down like this either)

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Originally Posted by Visor

we look at sleep next and sure that looks reasonable but sleep/cape don't exactly feel aligned (unless they just decided to yolo bus to get one deep)

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i mean - what else are they gonna do if thats the team?


i think cape/rask are much more not w/w than sleep/cape tbh

cape actually had a vote that risked killing rask in a spot where it would have been v tough to win being down 2 wolves and with so many clears



the question of the game is p much just : is el barto wagon pure?


even without taking into account the votes per se, i have an hard time seeing you/jan/suibian as wolves rn (ironically without the bpv stuff i think i'd def be at least considering you)

if someone thinks otherwise plz show me the way

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Originally Posted by Visor

who do you think are the wolves then, ladd/jan?

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yeah or one of them + Cape. Like I don't really feel sleep as wolf. Or he gave up with El Barto flip. That's still possible

Tx Ladd for the post about Jan :thumbsup:

I love that ladds villa read on me is about my paranoia on him and my villa read on him is because he isn't paranoid about me.

Precious.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

yeah or one of them + Cape. Like I don't really feel sleep as wolf. Or he gave up with El Barto flip. That's still possible

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walk me through it

why cant it be me

why cant it be tammy

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Originally Posted by Jan

I love that ladds villa read on me is about my paranoia on him and my villa read on him is because he isn't paranoid about me.

Precious.

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eheh

its honestly also a lot about toan/how i expect you to think (example: wrt the wolves being the people not showing up) but i find that part harder to put into words so i kinda skipped over it



hope i am not wrong or it'd be embarassing :curtain:

i'll say that everytime rask posts i doubt they are a wolf tbh


maybe i am a sucker tho

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Originally Posted by ladd

eheh

its honestly also a lot about toan/how i expect you to think (example: wrt the wolves being the people not showing up) but i find that part harder to put into words so i kinda skipped over it



hope i am not wrong or it'd be embarassing :curtain:

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My favorite old-school read on me is that I am funny as a villager and more forced as a wolf.
I have fooled that one before but I am always amused by it.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.

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by who? me and jan?

cause d2 jan didnt do much at all and i was pushing an agenda that lined up with yours IYAM

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Originally Posted by Cape90

I think Rask is still wolfy

Felt like Sleep was a better pressure vote just because paranoia on the slot

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What does this mean?

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Votal 3.3 (again but with a timer)

Sleep (3) - Cape (#736), Ender (#777), Jan (#796)
Rask (2) - Syn (#721), Visor (#758)
Cape (1) - Sleep (#811)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2l...KA29/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by Visor

walk me through it

why cant it be me

why cant it be tammy

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Tammy I addressed it yesterday irl. Like if Tammy is scum, el barto never flips D1.
You I have also talked about. The only way you are scum is with Syn and this game is bastard (scum vig allowed to shoot wolves or no kills allowed) so I just dont want to consider it smh.

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Originally Posted by ladd

by who? me and jan?

cause d2 jan didnt do much at all and i was pushing an agenda that lined up with yours IYAM

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I have to go for several hours but i am planning to reread D2 like 6/7 hours before EOD, will try to articulate this then

vote: sleep

am i a moron if when rereading d1

it makes me want to kill ender

LOL

Vote: siubian

yeehaw

i'm changing tactics

just realised that they never mentioned barto once d1 lol

just voted there with no words - weird that if you are going to be that stingy with the vote that when you make it (and presumably make it count) that you say nothing at the time

the game feels like it is in a weird state at the moment where i feel like we are misreading villagers for the right reasons

and that is probably just because el busso

plus the everyone is so town attitude where the rest of us slam our face into bricks trying to make something out of nothing and we go aroudn in circiles

idk, just feel like this is something to explore, and i like suibian + sleep as a team more than raskol + sleep if only because making that vote like that gives you late game cred if you know you have to solo the game

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Are you saying me tone reading you is dumb because your scum range is that wide? Like you're going hahahaha I will make you paranoid! It's totally fine just fine. I'm good at reevaluating.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

vote barto

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Originally Posted by Suibian

I expected there to be more posts to get rid of the tie. Do you guys really want to keep the tie?

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just... idk if i buy this progression as a villager

makes the vote with 11 minutes to go, no fanfare, no getting people on the wagon, no convincing anyone else you are right, just place the vote and... watch.

i get the feeling this was calculated - make a vote that you can point to later, don't bring attention to it so theres a chance it doesn't go over (especially with a big tie and nobody at eod talking abotu barto)

like yes, can just be a villager making a correct vote, but i feel like there is something to explore here with the actions

its the kind of play i would make with two inactive partners because i know i have to play deep

lol

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Is that you agreeing your hard to read?

What is your read on him so far this game?

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Considering sheeping Jan.

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Not sure what else you want me to say about a no poster, but I’d already stated I was thinking about voting him and Jan responded. I’m not sure what kind of fanfare I’m supposed to have on a no poster I didn’t have a read on but sure that’s an argument I guess

I don’t know all of this feels like I struck a nerve, and your response is to fling shit to see if it sticks.

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If you guys don’t allow no kills here then my concern might be wrong outside of exactly a visor/syn pairing where they got the no vest, shot Monty for the night kill to use as a big shot when it came time to claim but that feels too tricky. I’ve never seen a no kill disallowed though.

I’m sorry it just registered that you posited I’d make that vote in a sleep me pairing because I’d get late game cred if I knew I had to solo the game and I’m :laugh4:

You’ve gravely insulted sleep and I think you should apologize.

I probably shouldn’t find this as funny as I do, and maybe it’s the lack of sleep (not player) but I can’t stop giggling over imagining this. Outside of being in a hydra with someone competent, even at my most confident as scum, which was never great, I never day one thought I would go deep. So imagining me thinking this in a team with sleep of all people, yeah I’m just gonna carry this with me throughout the day. Poor deadbeat scum player sleep carried by super scary Tammy RAWR. lol thank you.

I've seen No Kills allowed but tbh would be surprised to see anyone do that N1.

I'd consider it more likely that Syn fake-claimed the shot.

I have had a day.

I do find it funny that when I read up and start to doubt my solve because Sui posts a wallpost that I kinda liked the content of Visor is now agreeing with it.

I think Rask exists in that weird space where he's very sus and continues to be sus but I think is probably town.

Yes this is a dumb read but I'm sticking to it. The back and forth EOD yesterday just felt town.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I've seen No Kills allowed but tbh would be surprised to see anyone do that N1.

I'd consider it more likely that Syn fake-claimed the shot.

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Have you seen anything concerning from syn? Is the way they’ve gone after Rask normal for them?

y'all really saving rask another day huh

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Originally Posted by Syn

y'all really saving rask another day huh

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For you. Mostly.

vote: Raskolnikov

Can you talk about why we should vote Rask?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Don't bother, it's prolly better I die anyway, for town chances of winning, my sanity, and the thread mood lmao. It's sad to say, but considering the numbers of clears, and considering that I have been up for the chop for 3 days nonstop because, lol my opener, I'd rather die today. Because I am not doing this to me for another week lol. Also will get to shitpost with the friendos in dvc.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Anyway, this is going nowhere lmao. THe few people I TR are just wolf reading me so I am not sure who I can speak to. Feel free to maj me and make my life easier rn. idgs.


May post more about stuff l8r, but I am definatly tired of defending myself because people are just ISOing, lacking context, and just unwilling to put someonelse shoes.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.

Of course you all need my flip to realise it.

I hope it will help you.

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If I was a villager with traction d1 and as counterwagon d2 then I would be more alarmed and up in arms than Rask is.
These posts happened only after I made this post:

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Originally Posted by Jan

I am kind of sad that I didn't see rask panic more about yesterday being v/v wagons with little momentum to change.
That would have been my perspective as v in that position. Both of them voted off wagon and the only person who was not involved in the two main wagons is Taffy.

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To me that change in perspective without actually feeling like somebody panicking and more like somebody doing what is expected does not add up.
And that could easily be a language barrier thing because rask and I are both not native (based on tasks country in the profile), but it rubbed me the wrong way tbh.

Fwiw Jan, these posts have nothing to do with yours. Because it doesn't work like this. I don't have to meet your expectations about what is a villager. If you are one, it's your job to find me. But I am more and more convinced you aren't one anyway so moot point I guess.

like

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Originally Posted by Jan

For you. Mostly.

vote: Raskolnikov

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has prolly been decided a long time ago.


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One thing I wanna say before backreading is that I didn't like Suibian reaction to Visor push. I can certainly relate since I have been sussed since game start and it's really annoying but iirc, it was just the second time (anyone corrects me here if I am wrong) someone dared to say Suibian might not be a villager and she eructed both times. Not sure that's AI, because I don't know her and it could be a lot of things, but felt like mentionning it. (because both time it was noticable).

I am gonna be real

Idk if i have the balls to lunch rask

Bbiab

Might as well

Vote: Jan

(Visor, I am considering your posts about Suibian. It's just so different from what I'd do as a wolf in that case, dunno. like I would hope for a no-show to gym up D2, rather than bus them D1... to me it's just the less probable bus from Tak wagon but I will certainly consider it)

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Originally Posted by ladd

I am gonna be real

Idk if i have the balls to lunch rask

Bbiab

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I am gonna burn a post to say this is sig worthy.

:bow:

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

As a side note:
Last time I remember ladd pushing with generic takes on me he was wolf and I only got saved by Vulgard hero-shotting him.

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@EnderWiggin: How do you feel about Ladd now?

(note to self: check Ladd's reaction to Ender's claim at EOD)

Okay so I am gonna just outline why I have ladd as town cuz they wanted to hear bout that

1. Today I mean it's pretty clear to me that you are solving Rask. You have provided good arguments for and against Rask. I was also getting the vibe that Rask was mad at being sussed for the wrong reasons, like, I introduced the word "potato(e)" to his vocab this game LOL.

2. I believe you are the player who is thinking the most critically about the game out of anyone else and doing so in a way which I doubt is fakeable.

3. Wanted to mention I also liked the Jan post #841. Like the points I could follow were towny to me. Even the whole "I will be the d1 sacrifice" thing is technically a whole town tell, meta or no meta.

4. This defense of me is villagery #755

5. The ego post thing here is towny #463 also this #436 about the NK

6. Push on EnderWiggin just felt villagery to me even though he's very likely PR. Like even before then though I felt the v/v violence energy coming from the post, like town like to sus for arbitrary things like SHROOPing no offense :p.