I know I was just reiterating.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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I know I was just reiterating.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
May I say something?
Killing me in a lynch is as a bad idea as killing a night investigator in a lynch.
Vote for pizza then.
Righto, since seon seems to be an investigator:
Vote: ATPG
Seriously though, Seon, whats with the Tom Nook stuff? :laugh4:
I'm doubtful about seons claim. But I smell the possibility of a counterwagon lynching pizza! And it's good to let investigative claimee's slide.
mafia very likely have the ability to investigate. Pizza is a very likely early target. If you catch the SK, you ask the town to lynch him--100%. And we should, because it knocks out 1 kill a night.
*yawn*
There's really only one reason why Tincow would reveal such a thing. We got close to the jackpot based on something I did.
So, here's what I've been up to:
When someone was put forward as a lynch candidate, I contacted them and tried to get information out of them which might determine if they should be prioritized for death or not. Also, when finding out that certain people were active at night, I came up with a plan to confirm whether or not they were Samus/Dark Samus, using the investigators.
You don't need to have the top tier investigation to find such people. Beskar was informed of the plan and will carry it out in my absence.
As for my third party status: Yep. I am indeed third party; and my mission is one Beskar is already informed of, and a couple other people as well. Apparently there is a leak, or I pushed Dark Samus' button, because otherwise Tincow would have kept my anonymity a bit longer.
I can say that I am totally incorruptible and that I can be killed off the instant Samus and Dark Samus are dead, because my mission involves only those two. I can do what Chaotix did in the Star Wars game; all you have to do is remember not to leave me alive until the end (although, really, if Samus and Dark Samus are dead, it doesn't matter; I've accomplished my objective, and you nearly have as well).
Do as you will; I am a better lynch from your perspective than a townie, but I am a far more valuable ally that you'd imagine. That's why Tincow is so anxious to get rid of me.
I recommend not lynching Pizza. Allow him to get night-killed by Dark Samus/Samus instead. He is a bigger threat to them then to us.
Well I suppose its dependant on what level of investigation Seon has. If he has the one like Beskar's investigator, we should keep him around a round in case, but yes, having an SK around is never good. I still get pains thinking about how TinCow fooled us all in Netherworld as the SK. Never going to get over that. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
edit: Beskar:
I find it very suspicious that as soon as ATPG comes under pressure, he was magically chosen to be investigated by your person last night. Which means he is the sk and you knew it, and you said he was town, which SKs are not...
Methinks I should declare war on the Paple State in a hundred years or so. :tongue:
BTW I did not kill N1, and Beskar was a target because I thought he was Samus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I also am not killing without Beskar's permission. Beskar wants me alive. But hey, lame as these events are, I can understand why I'd be lynched. This is far better than the no-reason wagon.
Seon shouldn't be lynched, but your objectives should be to get Samus/Dark Samus and the mafia factions, same as me. I can assist with that. If anything, this forces the mafia to come and get me, and I do have a bit of resistance to their kill attempts. :evilgrin:
I am going out on a limb: I am being revealed because of a plan I had in the works to clear Renata.
Tincow didn't like it, so he revealed me.
unvote, vote: Renata
Pizza's claim + play make him the best lynch easily. I knew you seemed off...didn't think you'd be so put out at my attacking you as a mafioso though...forgot about sk possibilities.
Renata is a good lynch choice (for tomorrow :p), but how did TinCow know about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
On another note; could the person who protected me reveal their identity to me in private? I will not obviously reveal you, but I want to make sure no one counter-claims saying they were my protector. :bow:
Plus there is an investigation ability going around which checks some one is active at night or not. Can vouch for you if that ever comes up on you.
Very well. But, I'm not leaving this game without making some impact- take what I said about the reasons why Tincow revealed me seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
There are only so many people I've interacted with, and Beskar is aware of all of them. One of them has to be Dark Samus or a Dark Samus ally; either that or one of the people who nearly got lynched here is a Dark Samus ally.
It's plain as can be; I got close to one of your objectives. Don't let go.
Mafia quicktopic obviously, if Renata is scum. She writes "Pizza wants to clear me, but I am mafia, help me!". I biggest problem is whether or not it is coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
In order to get Renata to do something which would assist in clearing her, I contacted her and asked her to do a specific thing. She replied back in the affirmative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Then, Tincow revealed me.
I do think they are related; either that or it's bad timing, and is related to the other candidates for a lynch.
You didn't like my post and I get why, it was my own vote from my own conclusions though, so flawed as they may be it's a bit harsh to call me a lazy townie. I went through the thread trying to spot something nobody else had and Winston's post was the best I could come up with. Do I think it's a strong case? No, but would you rather I just jumped on a bandwagon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Indeed my vote on TC looks lazy, but it came after a private discussion with Beskar to find out more about his case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I want to inform everyone about a couple of things about this game which are of some note.
1. Cover roles
So far, they look like the person they're disguised as. Not even vaguely, almost a mirror image. Dragonite -> Obvious Meta-Ridley. Dude who looks like Cloud -> Corrupted Cloud. I bet you the pattern holds for most of the starting mafia.
Don't believe what people claim to be, because there's no rule that says they have to claim what their cover role is. Make them appear in the write-up. If they show up in the write-up with a morphology that loosely matches what you'd expect Dark Samus/Samus/unknown killers are, you've probably got yourself a mafia.
If the pattern does hold beyond just me and Tincow, you must make people appear in the writeup. Here's how you can do it-
Have someone vig-kill them, and have the protector protect them. That makes them appear in the writeup as Chaotix-made cover role, regardless of what they WANT to appear as.
I would show up as Dragonite in the writeup, not Meta-Ridley. Same for all others with cover roles.
2. Investigation powers
I would of course be the third most powerful role in this game, as it is my mission to remove power role number one and two; the mafia godfathers respectively.
Guess what? I don't have X-ray vision. I find it very difficult to believe that town would start off with such a power, and here's why: What's the point of me having a cover role if it can be penetrated from night one?
Think about it. Who needs to have X-ray vision? Tincow was probably right about one thing, those who started with that power, are mafia. They have to be. If anyone besides Samus/Dark Samus team members has it, it should be me. Why don't I have it? Probably to make me not too powerful and my mission too easy.
However, we can learn powers in this game. I am betting I learn such a power, and in a reasonable time frame. But Beskar's investigator, is likely Samus team mafia, due to how they revealed Tincow from N1.
I have Thermal Vision. Now, coordinating with others, I can still find mafia with such a power, but it takes a little effort. If I scan someone and they're active, I can find out what they were doing, and ask them to go inactive.
If they do, and Dark Samus/Samus/pikachu/whoever turns out inactive, that's suspicious. Or it's WIFOM, but even then, one less murder, which buys you time to investigate.
So basically ATPG, beskar tries to clear you and you say hes Samus? :laugh4:
Thoughts Sasaki? ATPG today, Beskar tomorrow?
Right now, I'm sleeping.
No, I say his investigator is a Samus team member posing as a pro-town role.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
It's quite likely; Beskar is aware of how likely he is. At the same time, this person is still technically useful in ferreting out Dark Samus team members. If you keep Beskar protected, he can reveal this person at any time, if you believe they have outstayed their welcome.
Beskar can also clear this person using the other investigators.
I agree, thoughts would be nice.Quote:
Thoughts Sasaki? ATPG today, Beskar tomorrow?
Right now, I'm sleeping.
Sure as heck ain't friendly with the mafia, I would say. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Now, let's :daisy: up Tincow's little code system so he can't get communications back from his minions.
Hi, I am Tyrannosaurus Flex, and this here would be mah buddy Rubber Ducky. Obviously we're far from loyal minions if I'm revealing our code to you.
Enjoy, it's actually a work of art. Kudos to Tincow. Shame he trusted me for even one whole round.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
So I am guessing mister Tincow, in his infinite wisdom, did indeed alter the code slightly for each person. You can probably find similar code-like behavior embedded in people's posts. Anyone with a lot of time on his hands (HI!!! MY NAME IS PIZZAGUY) will look for any such secretive communications.
Sorry mister cow, but it's still a cookiecutter pattern and you'll need to send out new codes now.
....What's that?
You can't???
Awww. :cry:
I encourage everyone who has gotten such a code to reveal it publicly, so you can see the master's handiwork. Tincow's moves last round were genius, this time, I intend to show him that he got a wee bit too cocky.
Bad move, Tincrow. Very bad crow.
It's a good plan. But one thing I remember from rubicon and capo is that most people can't be bothered to work with the mafia.
I suppose we should look for someone ending their post with a smilie.
Good luck with that! As is clear, I anticipated this exact scenario when I created the codes. Have fun reading until your eyes bleed. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
It's worth it, mister crow. I promise you this much, I will have your whole team eating crow before the game ends, dead or not. You make Omega mad; smash, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
:clown:
That code is only useful for one person, and Beskar knows who; they won't be sending any further such communications.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I doubt they ever intended to work with tincow to begin with if they told me their code immediately.
Lol :bounce:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It really was random too.
Please understand that I'm just playing a game here, I do not wish to cause personal animosity between us. I know I have been a bit cocky in my posts, but that's exactly how a dead mafioso needs to act IMHO. OOC, I am greatly impressed by the boldness of what you attempted here, any comment I have made that would make it seem otherwise is unintentional and the result of pure-IC bravado.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Oh heck yeah, Tincow. You actually just made this game far more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Truth be told, if I did my mission as I was probably expected to do, which is random kill until your Samus twins are dead, it would have simply been a game of who can randomly kill who the fastest.
Meh. Boring.
An element of danger, and being forced to work with the town, just makes me feel like Capo all over again. I promise you, if they'll let me, I will deliver a nice pile of dead mafiosi to the town, just to put an emphasis on how much I appreciate being revealed. :evilgrin:
You might have just handed me the tools I need to get the job done, so thanks.
Gotta say, its allways interesting when an anti town gets screwed over and wants revenge.
Unvote; Vote:Renata per above accusation from ATPG
If anyone was curious, I will say my side of the whole ATPG thing.
If you remember, I posted something which made me heavily suspect Pizza. Basically, Pizza and TinCow were using some very similar phrases and arguments, and something in particular made link between them I couldn't deny. So I contacted Pizza for more information. Anyway, after a while, especially after a certain post of mine (about factions), Pizza realized I was incorruptible. This means I cannot be recruited by either Samus or Dark Samus. This was also confirmed separately by another claimed 'Hero' in a PM to me stating that I have been checked for corruptibility and I was found to be incorruptible.
Anyway, Pizza full-revealed to me. He said that he has two abilities, a scan and a kill ability. His role is to kill both Samus and Dark Samus, if he succeeds, he can win with the town. If they are alive, he is classed as SK and needs to be killed (I assume this is for maifa /w town faction victories). I lied in thread about him being cleared, to have him hang around, as he assured me that he will say who he was killing in advance, and since we both share the same objective in killing Samus and Dark Samus mafias, I saw no reason for us not to give him some space to do his work, afterall, I could just post in thread with "Lynch him" if required.
If you was also curious, since it was brought up about the 'investigator', they have claimed a GF role, similar to YLC's. Assuming that this investigator is a possible mafia, this gives the implication for a statement I made in thread about team Samus having GF cover-roles and team Dark Samus having IDFH cover-roles. This investigator is also in a situation if I do end up randomly targeted, I can reveal them (in a way within the rules) who they are, so the town can lynch them, or Dark Samus to night kill. So either way, I covered my back incase they are a mafia, however, I am willing to work with this person, even if the results do end up some what one-sided, as it will assist in getting rid of mafia, and allowing me to have a greater picture of who is actually who in the game.
Ultimately so far, the town seems to be in a strong position. If we want to have a real chance of taking down the mafia, there needs to be some element of trust from people. Feel free to reveal some information about yourself to me and I will use it with confidence in whacking another mafia. :bow:
Pizza should be lynched today.
We'll wagon renata tomorrow and see what she has to say.
This is a compliment to pizza--he's too good to let him live. And unpredictable in his affiliations.
I remember first hand from the shadow fort how much he can influence things his way in a town group.
So ATPG, not only have you been working with tincow, you have an ally as well? I don't know any innocent roles that would have someone they can trust this early on. My vote stands. I suspect you were trying to, as a third party, use the mafia for your benefit. Now with tincow's reveal the whole thing has blown up in your face. I will not turn a blind eye this time. My vote stands and I suggest others to vote for ATPG as well. He IS a third party, he WILL try to win this game for himself and we can NOT trust him or his suggestions. Sure some of them may be mafia to give him credit, but in the end all we will find is a dagger in our backs.
Eh couldnt we just use him for a turn or two and then lynch him if he turns out to be unhelpful? Seems like a waste anyway seeing as the mafia are going to try to night kill him, I say let them waste a night.
We don't know if there is a big downside. There could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
The mafia won't kill him because they know we are going to lynch him. And we don't know that they can kill him--nk immunity would be almost required for that role.
Lynch the serial killer...
No you just think they wont try to kill him. I say give him a turn to prove he's helpful to the town if he's useful we keep him him if not we lynch him. Oh and it doesnt matter if he's nk immune as its still a wasted kill if they try.
unvote: Seon; Vote: Renata
I can't believe I took ATPG's pm investigator claims at face value. Gah! That said, I'm willing to work with a serial killer to accomplish town goals.
Read between the lines.
He didn't kill night one, so he has powers we don't know about.
Night two he tried to kill an investigator--I doubt his story for this one. He's much more likely to infiltrate and try and get information out of someone he thinks is mafia than to just off them.
His comments today make it clear that he considers this being forced to work with the town.
This quote is nice:
And the fact is, if you wanted to "use" him there's no logical reason not to do it for 6+ days or so. Will people who don't want to lynch him today be up in arms to lynch him tomorrow? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizza
Why would they try? Please. I don't "just think" I gave good reasons. He's likely to be nk immune or have acquired doc protection, and a likely lynch which helps the mafia. Additionally there are two scum teams and that always makes a bit of wifom about killing. You just believe for no good reason.Quote:
No you just think they wont try to kill him. I say give him a turn to prove he's helpful to the town if he's useful we keep him him if not we lynch him. Oh and it doesnt matter if he's nk immune as its still a wasted kill if they try.
I appreciate the compliment Sasaki.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
This is also understandable. I was a revealed Lover in the Zelda game and people let me live thinking "ah, we'll lynch him later".
I get it. If anyone is dangerous even as a revealed SK, I am. :bow:
That said, you guys really could use my help. Mafia will attempt (and fail, initially) to kill me. Odds are, I will die soon enough anyway. Just asking for a little time is all.
You're right in that I was trying to abuse Tincow; I revealed I was hunting for Samus, said I could be his ally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nictel
This was primarily to get his murders off my back and hopefully onto other mafia or convertible townies; anyone but me basically. I ain't gonna lie about that. I figured there was also a way to glean information from him; I'd reveal who I was going to kill and then he'd stop me if it were Dark Samus.
However, I also revealed to several people that I was working with Tincow to gain information. I never had any intention of seriously cooperating with him; I needed to kill his boss.
I made a mistake somewhere, revealed to the wrong person or simply nailed Dark Samus with the Renata plan. Otherwise I could have gained more info. But honestly, what I got from Tincow already was more than worth it.
Even one less murder would make me useful to the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
The fact that I can vig-kill basically gives you a "second lynch" as well. Vote who you want to die, in addition to the lynch, and I'll kill the top-voted person.
Or I can follow leads that Beskar and I and other incorruptibles are working on. Either way.
Well, offer is on the table. I think there's enough game time remaining to make me useful, like Chaotix was in the previous game. Just remember to have me lynched later on, is all.
Wrong; I'm interested in information, but not the kind that comes from the mafia families whose Godfathers I need to destroy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I don't consider Beskar's detective, who I actually thought was Beskar, to be a reliable source of information (for me). They might be useful to you, but only for removing the Dark Samus team, until proven otherwise.
He can scan for activity/inactivity. On night 1 he claims to have scanned me. Seeing as he correctly identified me as inactive, I am inclined to believe him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I felt this early in the game (as with the previous game) those who are active at night are likely to be town power roles, or mafia. The thermal scan is a big indicator of guilt. About half, I'd say, of the active parties, will be guilty. Unless town has a lot of useless powers. A lot of people I've spoken to have no active powers. That said, if you have an active power, it would be a good idea to reveal to Beskar that you do. Thermal scan is actually a fairly common power, and if it finds people are completely inactive, and Samus/etc are active that night, that's process of elimination.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
If we can get an idea of how many townies have actual active powers (mafia will lie, so give/take 3-6 for margin of error) then we can use Thermal Scan and identify inactive townies or mafia who are keeping their heads down.
We'll get the inactive mafia soon enough; but we absolutely need to get the ones that kill.
Thermal scan will be less useful in the late game, exactly like Investigation I was useless at the end of my game. Use it now, and coordinate.
I wish I had pm's. What's the votecount?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Glenn: 5 (Cecil, Jarema, Frozen, Insanious, dcmort)
Beefy: 5 (Beefy, Renata, Romanic, Beskar, Seon)
Seon: 5 (Winston, Csargo, pevergreen, DIY, Classical)
Renata: 3 (ATPG, Yaropolk, woad&fangs)
Jarema: 2 (ByzantineKnight, Link
Frozen: 1 (Diamondeye)
Fluffy: 1 (Double A
landlubber: 1 (Glenn)
Csargo: 1 (Khazaar)
pevergreen: 1 (God Emperor)
Winston: 1 (johnhughthom)
Khazaar: 1 (landlubber)
Insanious: 1 (Skooma)
ATPG: 1 (Nictel)
Abstaining: Thefluffyone, Ironside
Just want to point out, I am not messing with the tally. pever never unvoted to vote me. Though if you do see an error, please correct.
I need to leave for work in 2 hours. I would like you guys to tell me where you want my vote by then; it's possible I am not awake/here when the round ends.
I will say that the case on Renata is based on a hunch plus some data, but it's also equally likely if not more likely to be wrong. It's a risky lynch; it's not a slam dunk. But out of all the suspects on this list, I still say Renata is more likely to be who we're looking for than anyone.
I really have no reason to want to see this lynch go badly for the town. That's only going to get me killed faster. I would like it if you got a scumbag this round for very obvious reasons.
Also reminder: please indicate who you want me to assassinate tonight. Come up with two suspects, not just one. Or tell me to investigate. Whichever.
Deal with the devil, eh?
I've got to hand it to you pizza - nobody's more tenacious in fighting a lost cause. Even as I type this, I keep changing my mind about whether it's sane to let you live. I recall having lynched you in vaguely similar situations, and having been glad I did. I also know that you'll be making the same arguments every day from now on, and drawing the focus of each day's discussion onto your own case by your mere presence. On the other hand, it seems clear that the town can benefit greatly from your assistance now that we have you on something of a leash.
Ah, what the hey...
unvote; vote: Renata
(Sorry, old buddy. If you turn out to be innocent, I hope we can look forward to some of your razor-sharp analysis from beyond the grave.)
I love you, Sasaki :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
What you're assuming indicates that the attacker will learn the connection between player name and real (not cover) role. Have you considered that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
Elaborate :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
That is an impressive system you've built there, TinCow. Props :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Also, the silent roach croaks at midnight. Past the moon, eighteen doves fly lazily by. It is winter.
You might want to investigate Seon or Beskar, or, if bloodthirsty,Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
vigilante kill any unvoters from the TC wagon.
Also, unvote:Frozen, Vote:Renata
Awfully quiet, Renata?
It's not lost if I can go for a roll in the hay with the Samus twins before I die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
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:cool:
Hah, called it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
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Originally Posted by Ironside
Colour coded killings means that he's quite traceable despite the two scum teams. Agreed that he should never be alive below 15 left. Do we know if there's a lynch resistance abillity in this game? Like force breath? If it is, then ATPG needs his removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Keep night killings to a minimum, the longer we last, the greater our odds. Unlike ATPG.
Unvote: Vote: Renata
If this turns wrong, then sorry Renata.
They could've simply figured ATPG out with simple cover role similarity, but there's probably something more here as well.
I wonder what Chaotix thinks when he finds that we've created a 4-way tie to end the 3-way tie situation :laugh4:
Don't, just don't. Knowing Chaotix, and my luck, it will be 4 dead townies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Also, I don't have a lynch immunity. Like you can take my word for it, but there it is. I would die on the first lynch, as hopefully Samus et al will.
Do you have the Overdrive ability?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
No, I don't. If I gain either power, I will let you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Why? Because I have a trustworthy face. I know it's around here somewhere.
edit: All right I'm off. Vote stays on Renata. Don't forget to tell me who to investigate or kill, especially if you have a solid lead on someone.
I really hope I don't regret this Pizza, but I agree that we should let you live. Renata still seems like a longshot, but still more likely than just randomly choosing someone to be lynched. Unvote, vote: Renata
You want a lost cause you should have seen me in noble sons 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Well, if nothing else, I scanned Renata yesterday and found out that she was using an active ability. It's a weak evidence, but there you go.
Unvote. Vote: Renata
I can't completely trust that what you say is true Seon, but this an interesting development indeed. We should go through with the Renata lynch.
While I'm not sure about the Renata lynch in itself, I am sure that the reason we're lynching her is a bad one. I'm putting my vote back on Unvote:, Vote:ATPG for now.
Well, after reading through 3 whole pages, I'm still not entirely convinced, but
Unvote; Vote: Renata
Is this vote coming in too late?
The best way to help the town now is unvote, vote: Renata.
I agree Vote: Renata
Sorry for all the trouble.
I want to thank those who fought for my life when I was away.
I was out all day yesterday and got back at midnight :sweatdrop:
I promise to play properly from next day onwards as I think I'm getting a powerful ability this night phase and I wanted to survive till then.
Do we have a claim for this ability?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
You're right. Lynching what could be a town power role to save a known villain, based on weak evidence supplied by that villain, and leaving her virtually no chance to respond...Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
If Renata were around to argue her case, it seems impossible we'd be lynching her instead of ATPG.
unvote; vote: ATPG
You're too good at this, pizza. When even I'm falling for the 'let me live long enough to help' schtick, it shows just how dangerous it is to cut you any slack at all.
Niiiiice. :balloon2: So if I am reading this right, TinCow and team Dark Samus and Atpg have a falling out, which leads TinCow to expose Atpg and Atpg to expose Renata.
This game is more than just GF and IDFH though (as any dead GF/IDFH will affirm) there are all of these anti town roles that have to be killed. Obviously it is extremely likely that Atpg is one of them and his claim of only being just anti Samus and Dark Samus is BS. Kill him unless he keeps feeding us Mafia in lieu of him. When he runs out or they run out, kill him.
Also TinCow, I'm very upset at you about this:
I can't believe you would even think to help Samus out by doing this. :brood: This reminds me of all the Mafia families in Capo 3 working together, which is just total crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Defeating and killing Team Samus should be done FIRST, then killing the SKs, then the town which is the weakest of your enemies.
That's how we Barzini's played it in Capo I and that's why we were the greatest team ever assembled: Prole, CR, and myself and later Don, Alex, Pindar, Xiahou (all republicans though, but nobody's perfect), sure we lost, but it's a Mafia game and not the SCF, style is more important the W/L. :cool:
Renata is going to be pissed for lynching her without her being able to defend herself.
True, but it doesn't matter TOO MUCH in this case. Even if Renata turned out protown, it would be a loss, but in this game it is mitigated by the fact that townies can gain powers. Plus Atpg would then be lynched sooner and not later, where it is more dangerous if any kind of scheme is cooking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nictel
Or perhaps you are working with Renata? :wink:
It was more a statement than anything else ;-).
Couple of things to think about:
First, the entire thing of TinCow and his team and the other team feeling that they are unable to kill Atpg has enough plausibility to be entertained for a round or even two, but another somewhat plausible scenario is that this entire scenario was cooked up and the two may be working more closely then they let on.
Second, given Nictel's two latest posts, another explanation for Atpg going after Nictel so much before that somewhat increases in plausibility is that he investigated him, but didn't want to reveal, so he tried to lynch him by making up a case. The case sucked and was entirely unconvincing, and this does explain the somewhat forced nature of it all.
I cannot believe ATPG is trying to get away with this again. This is worse than Zelda mafia (and completely incomparable to Capo III), because there his role was at least plausibly non-exclusive with a town victory. Here? Not so much. I wish I had time to post more.
vote: ATPG
My role is Travis Touchdown (IDFH Survivalist) and I got a power called Elemental Guard that protects against cold/heat-based attacks. I protected Winston Hughes last night.
And yeah, I'm a little bit pissed. See you on the flip side, whatever happens. Winston is damn right I'm not going away.
The thing I see is, your guilt is obviously not anywhere near Atpg's, who is almost certainly some type of non town role. So Atpg would definitely be more surefire in preventing another townie to be lynched.
With that being said, the claim on you is that you are Mafia, which is worse than a SK. Also, should you turn out to be Mafia, then a decent plan Atpg may be used for a bit before he is discarded.
Obviously, the three players at the center of this claim are TinCow who is confirmed Mafia, and Atpg and Beskar, who certainly have a case to having their pants down (especially Atpg but never lose suspicion of Beskar).
That being said, a grand conspiracy seems less likely than the gist of what is claimed to be the truth (aside from Atpg not being a total SK and rather just anti-Mafia which I don't buy and we don't have to buy).
Thus I can see the argument of killing you first to see how much more we can milk from the situation.
unvote: Renata; Vote: ATPG
Hope this is still before the deadline.
hmm we really need a votecount.
Working off ATPG's last tallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Renata: 8 (ATPG, Yaropolk, Diamondeye, Ironside, Frozen, Seon, Thefluffyone, landlubber)
ATPG: 5 (Nictel, Csargo, Winston, Renata, woad&fangs)
Glenn: 4 (Cecil, Jarema, Insanious, dcmort)
Beefy: 4 (Beefy, Renata, Romanic, Beskar,
Seon: 3 (pevergreen, DIY, Classical)
Jarema: 2 (ByzantineKnight, Link) Link did not unvote
Fluffy: 1 (Double A
landlubber: 1 (Glenn)
Csargo: 1 (Khazaar)
pevergreen: 1 (God Emperor)
Winston: 1 (johnhughthom)
Insanious: 1 (Skooma)
As far as I can tell, we have just under 2 hours until this phase ends
Unvote; Vote: ATPG
Again, whats the worst that could happen?
The phase is ending in approximately an hour and a half.
For exactness, I will make it 11:00 PM EST.
Just to annoy Chaotix:
Unvote, Vote: ATPG
That makes it 7-7?
Tie! Tie! :grin2:
Also, as I said in my last post - working with serial killer = bad memories.
Although last time, the SK did kill off all the Mafia. Imagine if he had started earlier and we had had the time to deal with him afterwards?Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
unvote, vote: Renata
I'll lynch a confirmed killer over a potential threat any day.
And the Town can control its destiny, we don't need to rely on an enemy, especially considering how good and manipulative ATPG is.
unvote; vote: ATPG
True, but thats one game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
I think I have the weight of numbers on my side. In chaotix's last game, I was a serial killer, and a dead person outed me to the town, breaking the rules by doing so. I managed to live for another day or two, pretending I would work with the town, but I was then killed at night. I did the same thing as ATPG, moved the lynch off me onto another person (though I knew the person I moved it onto was mafia, as I was told that when I attacked them) and played 'townie sk'. TinCow did the exact thing in Netherworld, formed his own mafia family and won.