Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

sk is a good vote. Wisdom is also a good vote.

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lol

How are Visor and me not lock town SK? We just punt pzelda from the get go.

Yeah funny one HK :wowee:


Disclaimer, I am not clearing u out of this :p

SK, fwiw I am ready to reaf you in good faith. Sorry if my posts sound otherwise. I just think you arr POE with EOD1 dynamic and pzeldas flip. :bow:

Science is just a keyword for push buttons and see what happens.

I actually ended up on pzelda because /baudi/ pointed out that the pzelda wagon was more pure. And I saw baudi on the logic wagon and decided I didn't want to vote alongside him.

Embarrassingly enough when I say /baudi/, I actually thought it was visor who pointed that out originally. I confused their avatars.

Ngl i understand tinfoiling Visor. But putting him so low without explanation is sure something. Tell me more about it pls

So i want to read pzelda spew and see what I can glean from it. Kind of think some of the interactions already talked about point to logic being v even though I still hate his read on me (because it's wolfy)

I don't think hk is excluded from being a wolfbro like ender seems to think. I have seen wolves come in and defend partners/give them weird v reads when they are getting dogpiled

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

How are Visor and me not lock town SK? We just punt pzelda from the get go.

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I, uh, haven't read that part of the game actually. Oops. I only skimmed it. I'll read it before EOD2.

I think you're townie but I don't know you that much. So I'm not townlocking you.

I'm wary about Visor because in the last game we played together (the game that was quoted for a HK read), Visor literally bused their 3 partners. Admittedly none of them were in a good spot so I think he did the correct play, but I was really fooled by it (or I'd be if I hadn't been nk'ed there, lol)

Bussing a compromise slot is something, compromising a partner and doubling down on him is another lol. Read more, we have time.

I also think Visor switch onto me might be wolfy because he should like know me better? I get it from like, ladd, perfectly fine.

Upon retrospective I think this might make more sense bc he was a wolf that game so he didn't read my posts actually analyzing them (and had the knowledge that I was randomly right in a bunch of places), so it makes sense he doesn't see me in the same light as, C4, who actually had to read me as a townie and now has charitably pointed out that some of my reads are really dumb, something which I don't really mind.

VOTE TALLY


SilverKeith 5 Visor YOLOSWAG hollowkatt Ephemeral Raskolnikov
hollowkatt 1 baudib1
EnderWiggin 1 Syn
Ladd 1 EnderWiggin




MAJ is in effect and is 7

EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/5/2023

believe this is correct

think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.

defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.

Vote: ladd

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Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

What about his most recent town game? Checking only the wolf game feels biased af.
Not that I tr or sr Logic, It's difficult to spit out a conclusion with posts like that.

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hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v

He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.

he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

It doesn't make you a wolf, it makes you less likely a town than most of the players. I'm sure you can do more in the next sixty minutes if you're a villager.

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this feels like he's trying to give sk an out

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

sk is a good vote. Wisdom is also a good vote.

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What?
Wisdom was the NK, bronana

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Originally Posted by SilverKeith

Science is just a keyword for push buttons and see what happens.

I actually ended up on pzelda because /baudi/ pointed out that the pzelda wagon was more pure. And I saw baudi on the logic wagon and decided I didn't want to vote alongside him.

Embarrassingly enough when I say /baudi/, I actually thought it was visor who pointed that out originally. I confused their avatars.

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Science is the epitome of "F*** around, find out."
But it's not actually science of you aren't recording your results.

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Originally Posted by SilverKeith

I also think Visor switch onto me might be wolfy because he should like know me better? I get it from like, ladd, perfectly fine.

Upon retrospective I think this might make more sense bc he was a wolf that game so he didn't read my posts actually analyzing them (and had the knowledge that I was randomly right in a bunch of places), so it makes sense he doesn't see me in the same light as, C4, who actually had to read me as a townie and now has charitably pointed out that some of my reads are really dumb, something which I don't really mind.

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Only one person is allowed to Logic™ read Visor for this, and it ain't you.

(For the record, I have HK as wolf over SK.)

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Wisdom is also a good vote.

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https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IgE...XFJu/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by Logic

(For the record, I have HK as wolf over SK.)

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You disagree with Ender's towncase of HK? What about Dya? How do you read them rn

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Originally Posted by SilverKeith

My first reaction to the votes on me is that I'm ok with getting lunched today but only if we work from now to eod with the assumption that I'm a villager.

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sure thing

i won't be able to be around much today but i'll be around sunday

man, I was hoping someone would actually want to engage with what im writing but I guess not

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Originally Posted by dyachei

man, I was hoping someone would actually want to engage with what im writing but I guess not

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I just think its a good post. I do remember drawing the same conclusions D1 from the first and third post u quoted (aka makes Ender/HK partnery so I wouldnt be surprised if there is one wolf there, and the post after his SK vote is as u said a wolfy bean prolly meant to turnaround the read.

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Originally Posted by SilverKeith

Unordered between tiers

Ladd
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Syn
Eph
Ender
C4
Rask
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Dya
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HK
Visor
Yolo
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Baudi

I guess I'm rereading D1 for a bit. I'm bothered by the 5 player townie clump I've got because I vaguely feel they are townie but got no strong reasons to really clear any of them. I haven't talked about Ender I think but I feel his current approach is townie.

I also don't think HK/Visor/Yolo are paired between themselves for their D2 approach of instavoting me. There's at most one wolf there.

If logic is a wolf the spot for the last one opens up a bit I guess.

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Oh no u spewed me something

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Originally Posted by dyachei

man, I was hoping someone would actually want to engage with what im writing but I guess not

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i think rask is hard spewed and never never never ever a wolf (also based on posting)

agree with you yolo looks good

logic spew can go both ways imo but he ded anyway

i also don't think sk looks good or bad from spew

hk can still be a wolf, i agree. i think sk is more likely but if it's not exactly sk/logic then hk is next up for me

if sk/hk/logic is not winning then it gets interesting. the syn/ender reads on each other are of interest to me cause they should probably have good reads on each other? so if game is not over after sk/hk/logic maybe i will look at those 2

but really if game is not over after sk/hk/logic i am willing to look at everyone except rask/c4 who are just never wolves

taking a look at ender ISO. caveat: I tend to read them wolf most games

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Is your only ability to find wolves through how they push you?

Who do you think are wolves who didn't push you, and why? And how do they work with the people who did push you?

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this is in response to pzelda. i think it's fairly neutral. the first line felt pretty strong then petered off. Also this is like the only post of interest in his entire d1. do not like that

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Pre-catchup notes:
I do not think HK is ever wolf with Pzelda. I read this the other way initially on D1 but I think my reasoning for this applies exactly as well the other way around.

Visor/Raskol jumping on PZelda entrance is probably unpaired too.

Need to do spew analysis.

I still really dislike SK's D1, but haven't viewed it in retrospect of Pzelda flip.

Will be around for like an hour if people wanna talk, but will be mostly catching up + spew read

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really disagree with this take but might be a decent take regardless. i cant rule out a pzelda/hk/ender world though

I really dont understand the ladd vote this morning. think ladd is fine rn, but think he also looks good when you look at how pzelda pushed him yesterday

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I'm gonna nurse a scumread on Syn I think.

Need to double check but my brain is saying that Syn tried to tie me to Pzelda but then tried to derail the wagon on Pzelda anyway.

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dunno what to do with this but I wanted to highlight it. seems more concerned about being tied to pzelda/self preservation than a true read

i see that he starts to look at pzelda spew and calls it a good look for ladd so thats good because that was my takeaway too

ends with an iso on syn. where syn didnt tie him to pzelda in his posts. I was starting to lean town on ender here but this makes me unable to do that because now it feels like really defensive posturing about being tied to pzelda.

I haven't read sk yet, so I need to do that. But the people I want to elim so far are:
ender
hk

in that order

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Originally Posted by dyachei

think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.

defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.



Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.



hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v

He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.

he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.



this feels like he's trying to give sk an out

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Yeah I dislike the pzelda not w/w with HK logic that?s been floating around.

dya, I’m certain Ender’s vote on ladd was a joke.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

dya, I’m certain Ender’s vote on ladd was a joke.

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that's fine. my bigger issue with ender is the preoccupation of being tied to pzelda

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Originally Posted by dyachei

that's fine. my bigger issue with ender is the preoccupation of being tied to pzelda

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Yeah I see what you’re saying. I didn’t really understand the clearance of Ender. I’ll trust your view of interactions over anyone’s.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I'm gonna nurse a scumread on Syn I think.

Need to double check but my brain is saying that Syn tried to tie me to Pzelda but then tried to derail the wagon on Pzelda anyway.

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your brain is wrong. I don't do associatives on d1

Gonna need some more of you to sus me because frankly my wolf game deserves more respect ffs.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Gonna need some more of you to sus me because frankly my wolf game deserves more respect ffs.

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nah

My biggest takeaway from today so far is that hollokatt’s posting has gotten a lot better, although that’s not saying much. To the point where I expect I’ll be voting someone else by end of day.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

My biggest takeaway from today so far is that hollokatt’s posting has gotten a lot better, although that’s not saying much. To the point where I expect I’ll be voting someone else by end of day.

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hello

is it me you're looking for?

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Originally Posted by baudib1

My biggest takeaway from today so far is that hollokatt?s posting has gotten a lot better, although that?s not saying much. To the point where I expect I?ll be voting someone else by end of day.

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where?

My biggest issue with Ender, outside of any small pings, is that I dont really think he is building a world or trying to make sense out of a puzzle. He still making undividual reads and its not clear to me how dots are linked and what is his solve.

He is much more focused on clearing HK than anything else.

Tbf I ve asked him to post about it, but the feeling is there smh.

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Originally Posted by ladd

where?

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nvm the “wisdom is a good vote” nullifies anything else.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

nvm the “wisdom is a good vote” nullifies anything else.

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Ngl I am sring this but wowee this read (smh I dont think a villager forgets about the NK)

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Ngl I am sring this but wowee this read (smh I dont think a villager forgets about the NK)

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Wowee.gif
Do you think it was a derp-clear attempt?

Btw, SK’s reads list reads like antispew.

I think Ladd/Yolo/Visor/Rask are pretty much hard-cleared but I’ll be down to lunch Visor anytime the game gets boring.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Ladd and Rask, I?d like you both to talk more about Ender. I kinda buy the idea that they were messy in a villagery way but not totally on board.

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the way he switched onto cap looked uninformed imo

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Btw, SK’s reads list reads like antispew.

I think Ladd/Yolo/Visor/Rask are pretty much hard-cleared but I’ll be down to lunch Visor anytime the game gets boring.

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did rask start the pzelda wagon too? or is there some other reason?

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Originally Posted by dyachei

did rask start the pzelda wagon too? or is there some other reason?

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He was one of the early people on the wagon and I’m incorporating ladd’s high clearance on him into it.

I am the one who actually started it folks. Reread from Pzeldas first post if you have any doubt. I did nothing but burrying him lol.

@baudib. I dont think its a derp clear attempt. I just think HK forgot the flip. But then I do think a wolf is more prone to do so than a villager. But thats not a read that I want to discuss further lol

someone give me the run down on the case on sk? about to start reading his posts

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Originally Posted by dyachei

someone give me the run down on the case on sk? about to start reading his posts

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I think it’s mostly that his posts are terrible.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Ngl I am sring this but wowee this read (smh I dont think a villager forgets about the NK)

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I read it as an obvious joke tbh

NK priority list
Ladd
Raskolinov

Confirmed Bronanas
Yoloswag
Visor

Strong town leans
Dyachei
Noraplus

Ephemeral
Syn

Poisoned
Logic

Ender
Hollowkatt
SilverKeith

eph could theoretically be a wolf but he seems really casual about watching/letting wolves get walked over tbh

if i had to put an exact reason to why i think he's town it's that

I guess if Logic flips W some of that sweet town cred for Pzelda voters diminishes.
(This is me setting up the Visor mislunch)

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Originally Posted by baudib1

I guess if Logic flips W some of that sweet town cred for Pzelda voters diminishes.
(This is me setting up the Visor mislunch)

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I dont think visor is a wolf with logic. Visor was p hard on logic (and idt they are aligned for other reasons as well)

I think the visor worlds worth thinking about are only the ones where logic/sk are v/v

Like i could buy visor/hk or even visor/eph but visor/logic and visor/sk are both bad fits imho

read sk's big post (like 3 posts into this game) and think the worst part of it is he supposedly mindmelded with ladd and yolo regarding my opening but that doesn't move the needle on yolo at all. it's kind of a meh post overall.

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Originally Posted by SilverKeith

In any case I don't see either a baudi/yolo lunch happening here so aside from that I guess I'm in general agreeance on a logic/pzelda lunch (maybe HK).

Should prolly get a more meaningful opinion on these slots, ears are open.

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this post is so...bland for talking about his possible wolf reads. and he doesn't really go into the trio that he's ok with elimming

prefers pzelda over logic

sk doesnt like pzelda's posts but would rather vote logic. Indicates if sk wolf, logic probably not

does vote pzelda later with no reasoning given.

I'm overall very fine with elimming sk here. I think ender is more...actively? wolfy though

vote: ender

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Originally Posted by ladd

I dont think visor is a wolf with logic. Visor was p hard on logic (and idt they are aligned for other reasons as well)

I think the visor worlds worth thinking about are only the ones where logic/sk are v/v

Like i could buy visor/hk or even visor/eph but visor/logic and visor/sk are both bad fits imho

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Listen bub
I’m down for letting you goat all over our faces but if you try to get in the way of me lunching Visor for no reason we will have words.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

read sk's big post (like 3 posts into this game) and think the worst part of it is he supposedly mindmelded with ladd and yolo regarding my opening but that doesn't move the needle on yolo at all. it's kind of a meh post overall.



this post is so...bland for talking about his possible wolf reads. and he doesn't really go into the trio that he's ok with elimming

prefers pzelda over logic

sk doesnt like pzelda's posts but would rather vote logic. Indicates if sk wolf, logic probably not

does vote pzelda later with no reasoning given.

I'm overall very fine with elimming sk here. I think ender is more...actively? wolfy though

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Can we talk about how his tiered list is lmfao?

How do you feel about my elite strategy of just letting ladd dictate the elims until he’s dead?

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Listen bub
I’m down for letting you goat all over our faces but if you try to get in the way of me lunching Visor for no reason we will have words.

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Fair enuf

If you ctrl+f logic in visor youll prob change your mind tho

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Originally Posted by ladd

Fair enuf

If you ctrl+f logic in visor youll prob change your mind tho

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Yeah I know. To be totally boring I expect to just vote whoever of HK/Ender/SK is alive tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Yeah I know. To be totally boring I expect to just vote whoever of HK/Ender/SK is alive tomorrow.

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Personally if we reach ender ill revaluate a bunch of things cause i still dont really get the hate there

Maybe yall are right but id still do a bunch of work before being comfortable going ender (tho off the top of my head i dont have strong alternatives)

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Originally Posted by dyachei

I really dont understand the ladd vote this morning. think ladd is fine rn, but think he also looks good when you look at how pzelda pushed him yesterday



dunno what to do with this but I wanted to highlight it. seems more concerned about being tied to pzelda/self preservation than a true read

i see that he starts to look at pzelda spew and calls it a good look for ladd so thats good because that was my takeaway too

ends with an iso on syn. where syn didnt tie him to pzelda in his posts. I was starting to lean town on ender here but this makes me unable to do that because now it feels like really defensive posturing about being tied to pzelda.

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1. Ladd vote was a joke. See the post I quoted when I voted.

2. I was asked to elaborate on the reasons I found Syn sus and "Tying me to a dying wolf while also trying to undermine the wagon on said wolf" feels like a decent reason someone could be wolf imo.

Honestly, I'm pretty unsurprised with Dya going after me.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

My biggest issue with Ender, outside of any small pings, is that I dont really think he is building a world or trying to make sense out of a puzzle. He still making undividual reads and its not clear to me how dots are linked and what is his solve.

He is much more focused on clearing HK than anything else.

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Idk bruv I thought my worldview was pretty obvious.

HK is the town who I think clearing will 100% solve the game. I'm not against the towncore who has formed, so my job is to help clear the POE. Seems pretty straightforward.

I'm trying to catch any wolves floating outside the consensus POE, but I also think SK is likely wolf. In fact I wanna say I was the first person in thread to call SK out. Only reason I'm not voting there was because people didn't want to hammer so I'm leaving my joke Ladd vote up (which I thought was obvious but apparently not.)

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Yeah funny one HK :wowee:


Disclaimer, I am not clearing u out of this :p

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Originally Posted by Logic

What?
Wisdom was the NK, bronana

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Unlike Raskol you are a founding member of the Got Got club. Congrats.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Yeah funny one HK :wowee:


Disclaimer, I am not clearing u out of this :p

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Originally Posted by Logic

What?
Wisdom was the NK, bronana

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Unlike Raskol you are a founding member of the Got Got club. Congrats.

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this is a thing to think about though. Why kill Wisdom over literally any other townie? I don't recall her making a large impact, she didn't lead the pzelda wagon, she was on ladd when she died and a wolf team that contains ladd is smarter than killing the only person on his wagon. Might be worth looking into if it hasn't been done already.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.

defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.



Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.



hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v

He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.

he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.



this feels like he's trying to give sk an out

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this is the biggest post ive seen from you post baby i think lol

(its also pretty villagery)

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Originally Posted by SilverKeith

I also think Visor switch onto me might be wolfy because he should like know me better? I get it from like, ladd, perfectly fine.

Upon retrospective I think this might make more sense bc he was a wolf that game so he didn't read my posts actually analyzing them (and had the knowledge that I was randomly right in a bunch of places), so it makes sense he doesn't see me in the same light as, C4, who actually had to read me as a townie and now has charitably pointed out that some of my reads are really dumb, something which I don't really mind.

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eh? we've played...... neo storpeo together

draft mafia you're right I don't recall any of your posts, sorry lol. i was just focused on trying to pocket disquieted and using that to get me through

im not sure i've played many standard games with you, mostly mashes i think

idk i just read your post and it felt like the way you worded things felt like me when i do a wolfy catchup lol

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

this is a thing to think about though. Why kill Wisdom over literally any other townie? I don't recall her making a large impact, she didn't lead the pzelda wagon, she was on ladd when she died and a wolf team that contains ladd is smarter than killing the only person on his wagon. Might be worth looking into if it hasn't been done already.

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Probably an attempt to lmfao spew ladd as a bussed. The proper response as a villager is just lol, shrug and forget about it.

i saw someone (hollowkatt?) mention something about eod being chaotic

maybe fmpov it was different because i was always going back to zelda and voting logic was just trying to make something happen at eod but it didn't feel very chaotic to me, it felt like pzelda was going to die there 90% of the time at least

(and i also thought it didn't super mattered who died because we'd just poison the other)

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Probably an attempt to lmfao spew ladd as a bussed. The proper response as a villager is just lol, shrug and forget about it.

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this is the correct response to nearly all nka and spew analysis imo

who cares about night kills, they're done in a way they want people to take specific inferences from (or not but look like they should) or what have you

if you ignore it, you take away another tool in the wolfs arsenal

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Originally Posted by Visor

i saw someone (hollowkatt?) mention something about eod being chaotic

maybe fmpov it was different because i was always going back to zelda and voting logic was just trying to make something happen at eod but it didn't feel very chaotic to me, it felt like pzelda was going to die there 90% of the time at least

(and i also thought it didn't super mattered who died because we'd just poison the other)

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I agree. I was trying to get people to vote logic just to see if anything could be read off it but I got nothing really.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

EOD wagons kinda felt like they were actually competing with the back n forth flow.

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why do multiple people have this viewpoint

idk, maybe it just wasn't clear to others but i wasn't going to vote logic off in favour of pzelda and i don't think anyone else there was either

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Originally Posted by baudib1

I agree. I was trying to get people to vote logic just to see if anything could be read off it but I got nothing really.

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ya it felt like to me everyone else also recognised what we were doing too lol

hkatt could still be a wolf

dunno if i got much from reading all that, or at least i don't think my thoughts have changed much besides dya moving up a notch

still don't care for hkatts or enders posts

expected a little more from c4 today maybe

VOTE TALLY

SilverKeith 5 Visor YOLOSWAG hollowkatt Ephemeral Raskolnikov
EnderWiggin 2 Syn dyachei
hollowkatt 1 baudib1
Ladd 1 EnderWiggin


MAJ is in effect and is 7

EoD is in approx 24 hours

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Originally Posted by Visor

ya it felt like to me everyone else also recognised what we were doing too lol

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Isnt it just Ender though?

I am looking forward HKs findings re Wisdom :bow: (for legal purpose this is a joke - see my first d2 post - but since he offered to look into, I wanna see what he comes up with :curtain: )

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

this is a thing to think about though. Why kill Wisdom over literally any other townie? I don't recall her making a large impact, she didn't lead the pzelda wagon, she was on ladd when she died and a wolf team that contains ladd is smarter than killing the only person on his wagon. Might be worth looking into if it hasn't been done already.

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it's about the toan

Can we please not meme for the next 24 hours about Visor and the maj.

Please

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Can we please not meme for the next 24 hours about Visor and the maj.

Please

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How dare you.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Can we please not meme for the next 24 hours about Visor and the maj.

Please

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how's your castle treating you buddy