The Settlement [Concluded]

@White_Eyes:

I'm awake right now, you're awake, and this can be done in-private.

Why should I wait? I'm not a very patient man. If you're town, you do need to explain what you're up to. That is not much to ask. I am not trying to get you lynched, I just want answers. Be a townie that I think you are, and please work with me for 5 minutes rather than against me. Don't reveal new info, I don't care. Just toss me a bone and talk to me honestly and without the accusatory tone.

I cleared space in my inbox, waiting.



edit: Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Anywho. I repeat once again, and again, and again, and again.... reveal yourselves to Seamus. He will not survive now. That means both he and I are innocent. As for Sasaki, he's not getting any further information from us, so he has no further reason to keep the investigator alive if he were evil.

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Seamus probably will survive because he is no threat to the town until the numbers get much smaller. Better for the mafia to kill people other than Seamus, because by doing that they might actually hit a threat to them.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Anywho. I repeat once again, and again, and again, and again.... reveal yourselves to Seamus. He will not survive now. That means both he and I are innocent. As for Sasaki, he's not getting any further information from us, so he has no further reason to keep the investigator alive if he were evil.

You don't have to agree with the pro-town network strategy, but with my death and Seamus', and our ability to make public the names of the innocent at any time, you know that we are innocent. We have both defended dozens of townies all game so far.

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I urge the entire town to ignore ATPG and to not give him ANY information. Don't give him your role name, don't give him your duel rating, don't tell him what you can do, and definitely do not give him your role PM. ATPG does not know how to keep information secret, nor does he have a proper empirical method of determining what information is true and what is false. He believes parts of it and does not believe other parts of it according to his whims and his own assumptions which can never be perfect.

The town is far safer if all townies continue to play as we always have in these games, through slow and careful analysis of the evidence and by releasing important evidence when it is critical for the discussion. Do not give out any evidence unless it is immediately necessary for your survival or it will directly and immediately result in the lynching of a guilty party.

Yoyoma1910 or FactionHeir should be lynched.

I urge the town to ignore me and not give me any information either, because frankly I have too much of it already and my double-sized inbox is now full yet again, even after massive deleting.

If you have further information, send it to Congress, they apparently need direction.

I'll agree with Andres : Yoyoma of FH have to go.

Reasons :

Yoyoma : his being blocked resulted in less kills in the nights he was blocked. Though not an absolute proof of guilt (mafia may have chosen to kill one less person for any reason...), it is enough to not let him wander around freely and force him to reveal or hang.

FH : pointed out by GH who unfailingly brought out Andres (for good or bad...)... No more needs to be said.

I'll add Tincow to the list of potential lynch victims : his whole attitude reeks of scummy behaviour... though I cannot point any single "flaw" in his statements...

I am not sure that yoyoma should die at least not at first if you look through the death scene where he killed saskai it actually looks to me to be a vig of some description perhaps he is like andres but reversed but I think we can keep him alive a little longer nad see what happnes. On the other hand FH seems to be a good lynch target for now.

Maybe I am tired from lack of sleep, but I've noticed more than one townie accuse me of overlooking something, when they themselves grossly overlooked something in that very same accusation.

Two in the past hour, privately.

Please, before you tell me I'm not paying attention, please recheck your facts first. Thanks much.

:bow:

While I am gratified to those who were kind enough to forward me information, I caution ALL players against jumping to decisions on lynches.

Sasaki is quite correct in that we should be careful about ASSUMING we know who did what murders. There is evidence in the write ups and we should make tentative assessments of who was mafia killed etc. But I stress a note of caution as well.

So far, unless I am totally lost, ALL of the roles contain a bit of sugar/vinegar -- good guy but must outlast X or SK of 33% of town but looking for town win -- and Reenk is a tricksy one. We must have a care for these inherent contradictions (kudos Reenk, its well crafted).

Don't just say "we must lynch x," but reference in the information and provide us a why. The arguments will get better and we'll winnow out the ones whose answers don't come to par.

That's all from "Sheepnet" for now :cheesy:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Maybe I am tired from lack of sleep, but I've noticed more than one townie accuse me of overlooking something, when they themselves grossly overlooked something in that very same accusation.

Two in the past hour, privately.

Please, before you tell me I'm not paying attention, please recheck your facts first. Thanks much.

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Well, townies are the uninformed majority. :P

I feel I was too harsh, even in that carefully worded post. I apologize.

:bow:

We all make mistakes sometimes. Especially me.





taking a break. Back later.

ooc: It's going to take me any spare time I get this evening just to go through all those PMs you shepherds shared, let alone catch up on this thread. From skim-reading it I gather that Faction Heir hasn't responded to GH's accusation from beyond the grave.

ATPG - please no need to respond to this: I understand why you would put pressure on players for not responding to your questioning, but your idea of a timely manner is clearly not the same as everyone elses. Remember that while you don't need to catch up with everything you write - the rest of us do - even if it's just to spot the rare and potentially incriminating post by someone else in the thread :laugh4:

ATPG or Seamus:

Can you please elaborate on this series of PMs? I'm not sure what to make of it:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

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Originally Posted by Anonymous Too Living Player

So, can I join the club? :grin:

I am on the town's side with a side objective of killing a certain someone (and my kill only works if it is that person, not at other times - then I just nick some items, like a healing potion from sasaki last night)

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Yes, providing you quote me your entire role Pm within the next 5 minutes.

:bow:

Sorry, by now I must be certain. Shady people will try to infiltrate, but I trust you to a certain extent.

:bow:

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he took like 30 seconds to respond with the full thing.

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I didn't respond because they are baseless and I already gave my part of the story earlier in the thread. Unless he actually has some hard evidence that he would post, there is no point in posting more WIFOM.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

ATPG or Seamus:

Can you please elaborate on this series of PMs? I'm not sure what to make of it:

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Seems like Pisuf (is that an insult?) is a paid up member of the United Masonic Shepherd Detective (and Pizza Delivery) Agency :laugh4:

@ Faction Heir - As GH has not elaborated on his claims your response seems fitting to me for now.

GH - care to elaborate further? :yes:

Working on it boudica, thanks. :bow:

Be very careful to maken assumptions based off role blocking, another lesson i learnt from being mafia in midgaard, a few people were incorrectly identified as mafia or incorretly identified as innocent due to a role block being peformed that night... though it did also lead to increased suspicion on sarathos (if i remember rightly) who was mafia... just be careful to make too many assumptions based on role blocking...

Im intrested in GH elaboration on FH, in fairness GH has earned a good deal of trust with his discovery of andres....

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Of course not, I kept my Treasure Chest O'Awesome to myself.

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:laugh4::laugh4: I am tempted to sig this....:smash:

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Originally Posted by boudica

Seems like Pisuf (is that an insult?) is a paid up member of the United Masonic Shepherd Detective (and Pizza Delivery) Agency :laugh4:

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Yes, that player was & is claiming a detective role of sorts. While we could be getting "played," pizza was noting that the player's response to his "give me your PM quickly" WAS very prompt. It would not have been possible for that person to have constructed it rapidly in response to pizza's request. If we're being played here, it was organized in advance.

Moreover, the one shared detective result does seem to have been born out by a subsequent PM sharing with pizza. Again, this does not preclude an elaborate setup -- Tincow schooled us all that such are possible during Capo II -- but we all know such elaborate efforts are less frequent/likely.

But I had my own fake detective role, on Godfather 3.....it was not hard:juggle2:took me ten minutes....and I did it on spare time...mostly it would have shaved off one round for me and Beefy...on here? such a thing COULD be used to break into a Pro-townie network....and the fact that he has "discovered" and reported only one result....is troubling to say the least-suggests that you guys might have leaked it to get Beefy killed......:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

But I had my own fake detective role, on Godfather 3.....it was not hard:juggle2:took me ten minutes....and I did it on spare time...mostly it would have shaved off one round for me and Beefy...on here? such a thing COULD be used to break into a Pro-townie network....and the fact that he has "discovered" and reported only one result....is troubling to say the least-suggests that you guys might have leaked it to get Beefy killed......:sweatdrop:

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Could we be being played by a duo who had their stuff drawn up in advance? Yes. But it would have required a lot of prep effort. I said that we seldom see that level of prepared obfuscation, not that it couldn't happen. This gives me some but not compete confidence. We need information that is as glaring as that provided by Ares and Andres before I start issuing mental 85+% certainty evals.

The detection result I referenced is discussed under spoilers 3 and 4 of post 947 -- which occurred after the Beefster's demise. I profited from Beefy's demise, and would have dueled him to achieve it long about round 6 or so, but pizza and I (as discussed above) were waiting for our moment (having ID'd him) while turning to the larger project.

You really seem to be adhering to the concept that we were leaking Beefy's info to get him killed. To whom? If we were mafia or bad god mignons, we'd have killed him ourselves -- you said something similar yourself regarding your own performance in GF3 -- and if we aren't such then to whom would we have leaked his information? Beefy himself put more tax guy stuff into the thread than we ever did. So why the persistence in being "troubled?" Is it important to you that I be lynched rather than murdered or killed fighting? :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Could we be being played by a duo who had their stuff drawn up in advance? Yes. But it would have required a lot of prep effort.

You really seem to be adhering to the concept that we were leaking Beefy's info to get him killed. To whom? If we were mafia or bad god mignons, we'd have killed him ourselves -- you said something similar yourself regarding your own performance in GF3 -- and if we aren't such then to whom would we have leaked his information? Beefy himself put more tax guy stuff into the thread than we ever did. So why the persistence in being "troubled?" Is it important to you that I be lynched rather than murdered or killed fighting? :inquisitive:

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It could be a cover role....:inquisitive: it sounds like it....if you get killed, give us the names of the two and they should be next on the chopping block....:smoking:

When did I say you should be "lynched?" I was in fact more pointing to how you were being fooled, then on how you might be fooling us.....:inquisitive:

Edit:GH's info seems more solid....which is why I would not want you lynched...there are better lynchees right now....:yes:

Can someone clarify this for me...

We either have 2 detectives... one in contact with seamus and ATPG, and one in contact with GH, or we have the same detective contacting both, or one is being tricked by mafia...

Both are being tricked my mafia (i guess is a posibility...)

Did atpg and seamus recieve info on andres which im guessing gh did ?
Did whatever gh recieved on andres match his role ?
Have atpg and seamus had a similar oppurtunity to match roles and investigations with thier guy ?

Seamus, I certainly feel like your attempts to get all this information out has been done with an honest purpose, but I don't see any practical result from it. I've read or skimmed all your posts, and I don't see anything that the town can remotely act on. Other than revealing your and ATPG's roles, this is the only substantive information I've gleamed:

1) There is a pro-town (the term is used loosely) role (The Thief) that wants to kill another pro-town role (The Watcher).
2) You are in touch with a detective who has provided you with a detective result on a single other person who is not guilty.

Am I missing something? Is there an actual accusation in there somewhere that I didn't see?

*takes a break from being on break*

I believe Seamus' objective THIS round was to reveal the contents of the PMs but not the people involved, before he died. We cannot do such after death.

*break time*

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

*takes a break from being on break*

I believe Seamus' objective THIS round was to reveal the contents of the PMs but not the people involved, before he died. We cannot do such after death.

*break time*

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Fair enough, but why? Why post all of those PMs when they give us no information worth acting on and I can summarize all the 'new' evidence in them in two lines? The only reason I can think of to do this is to exonerate oneself from accusations, and I don't think a single person was accusing Seamus of anything. This whole discussion, spanning multiple pages, seems to me to be manufactured for no benefit at all. That makes me very uneasy.

Tincow:

Pizza is correct. This way all of it could be in the public record for later comparisons and use. As you know, a lot of early clues only become clear as the situation clarifies near the endgame. I just wanted all of this data available then.

Your summary is acurate. Obviously, I do have the names and may now reference those in connection with already posted PMs should the need arise. Acting on this data now would be, as you rightly note, a bit premature.

Later on, and especially when the town demands we name names, we can reveal precisely who is who. But by then Seamus will be dead and quoting PMs will be illegal.

:bow:

The information will be useful to you LATER, and it's important that you know we know people who have claimed these roles. And sorry, but this does add evidence to the case that we've been behaving as masonic shepherds all this time, and also, that we've been defending the pro-town people who did reveal to us as best we can.



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Seamus
posted Today, 14:41
Askthepizzaguy
posted Today, 14:41
Seamus; I think being masons has fused our brains together. Get out of my head! Stop thinking the exact same thing and posting it simultaneously!!!

Alright, that's a reasonable explanation and I'll accept it. However, I do feel the need to point out that GH just got us to lynch a killer while dead and without any PMs or evidence of any kind.

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Can someone clarify this for me...

aWe either have 2 detectives... one in contact with seamus and ATPG, and one in contact with GH, or we have the same detective contacting both, or one is being tricked by mafia...

Both are being tricked my mafia (i guess is a posibility...)

bDid atpg and seamus recieve info on andres which im guessing gh did ?
cDid whatever gh recieved on andres match his role ?
dHave atpg and seamus had a similar oppurtunity to match roles and investigations with thier guy ?

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I have added labels to your points in your post for clarity.

a All of these are possible. It seems likely that GH has access to some source of info, but pizza and I have not yet received info that would let us know if we're referencing the same source.

b No info on Andres. All of my comments were based on his reveal/PM. I did use the PMs we'd received from others as comparison for format etc., but we did not get specifics on Andres.

c Can't speak to that myself obviously. GH was not part of our brief-lived network.

d So far, we only have the one apparent match/comparison. We do have other information on living players. Among the dead, as you will note, the info we received/generated regarding both Beefy and TheFlax has lined up with their revealed/claimed information.

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Pizza: I still havent' forgiven you for going Gotterdamerung on your sheep. Baaaaaad Shepherd, baaaaaaaad! But a pretty decent Mason. ;-)

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Alright, that's a reasonable explanation and I'll accept it. However, I do feel the need to point out that GH just got us to lynch a killer while dead and without any PMs or evidence of any kind.

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Style of play thing. I've got a rep for evidence. When I claim "this is the ticket" people expect me to reference why. GH's style is different and he's validated differently.

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Pizza: I still havent' forgiven you for going Gotterdamerung on your sheep. Baaaaaad Shepherd, baaaaaaaad! But a pretty decent Mason. ;-)

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She was askin' for it. She was wearin' that sexy wool number I always liked. :smoking:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And I've identified several areas of my Mason play that can be improved upon, should i ever be a mason again. I actually think I made too many mistakes. Good info does not always a good mason make.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Alright, that's a reasonable explanation and I'll accept it. However, I do feel the need to point out that GH just got us to lynch a killer while dead and without any PMs or evidence of any kind.

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Yeah, tell me about it :sweatdrop:

:eyebrows:

That's the same look that Fluffy gave me.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

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What, was it a lucky guess? or did you have a role investigation-type???:smash:

:stupido:

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The man of a faction which wished to become heirs by marrying daughters of royalty returned to his tent much after the sun had retired to her resting place. He was incredibly disappointed as he tossed a short blade on the ground. Taking a drink from his canteen, he caught a glimpse of a grim faced, red robed man staring at him.

Spinning around, the man of a faction which wished to become heirs by marrying daughters of royalty quickly dodged a fireball hurled at him. The sorcerer of Vode was unfazed by the miss and prepared another fireball, but the man of a faction which wished to become heirs by marrying daughters of royalty was extremely agile and dodged everything thrown at him. He laughed and taunted the red robed sorcerer: "Hahaha! I am one of the best men of Carn, do you really think you can hit me?"

The man of a faction which wished to become heirs by marrying daughters of royalty then pulled out two daggers and threw them at the sorcerer of Vode, who simply waved his hand causing them to sway well off their mark. He then cast a spell which cause the man of a faction which wished to become heirs by marrying daughters of royalty to be surrounded by a circular wall of fire.

Seeing his doom, the man of a faction which wished to become heirs by marrying daughters of royalty pleaded with the sorcerer of Vode: "Please! I have nothing against you. I just want to kill The Watcher for what he has done to me and my friends. I know! I can help you. The Watcher is a formidable opponent, but I am a master assassin. We can work together, for I am sure The Watcher plots against you!

The red robed man's only reply was to grimly stare at the man of a faction which wished to become heirs by marrying daughters of royalty. He then brought his hands together and the wall of fire that surrounded the doomed assassin converged and burned him to a crisp.

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As the sun rose from her slumber, all the settlers once again were called to the gathering hall by the priest king to discuss the most recent murder, although Reenk Roink was much less saddened by the death of this man whom he referred to as a criminal. All settlers were present on time to begin the discussion.

Challenge List:


Alive:

taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
boudica
Jolt
TinCow
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelrang
Sigurd
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh

Executed:

777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
Andres

Fallen in battle:


Killed:

TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
shlin28
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir

Day ends on Saturday, March 21 at 20:00 Eastern

Well good, that saved some time. :yes:

Hmm it looks like the townie infomation has a leak in it since I guess we all know who Anonymous Too Living Player was.

bleh. It appears the doom & gloom were right as the network may well be infiltrated by what we just saw.

The choice of FactionHeir is... interesting. It is indeed obvious that FH was the Thief whose role PM Seamus revealed. I'm not quite sure what to make of this. FH was clearly the leading contender for today's lynch, which makes his elimination odd, since he would have been an easy meat shield for the mafia. The mafioso must have thought he would get something out of this kill that would be worth sacrificing the meat shield. There are two possibilities that spring immediately to mind: (1) discrediting GH by proving that his second suspect was wrong, (2) making it look like ATPG's network had a leak.

However, both of these have problems as well. (1) is essentially pointless, since GH has already proven that he has at least some credible evidence because of Andres' reveal and the absense of the knife-killer last night. (2) could only be possible if the mafioso knew that ATPG's Network itself knew FH's identity. While this is certainly possible, it is very risky for the mafioso, as it would instantly point suspicion at anyone in the ATPG Network who knew this information. The mafioso would have to be either extremely ballsy or think that such an analysis would not point to him.

There is also a third possibility: the mafioso wanted to disrail the town's conversation and cause a bit of chaos. While I suspect this is more the case, we can't ignore (2) and so we should go through the motions on this one. ATPG/Seamus: do you have any reason to suspect anyone else who knew FH's identity?

Alternatively they could have figured it out from the pm's like WE's claimed ?


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This post was begun before tincows it was directed at leak in ATPG group that people were saying about...

Could it be a vigilante killer ?

Sasaki, Pizza, and myself were certainly aware. I will check things out a bit.....

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And congrats to herr Reenk on the 1k mark!

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Alternatively they could have figured it out from the pm's like WE's claimed ?


Edit
This post was begun before tincows it was directed at leak in ATPG group that people were saying about...

Could it be a vigilante killer ?

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Unless the sorcerer immediatly turned from a Mafioso into a town-loving Vigilante, I doubt it was a kill intended to spare the town a day's worth of lynch.

EDIT: So far, it seems the sorcerer day in and day out kills someone directly related with the network's knowledge. First it was beefy which was known by the Network trio (Not sure if Sasaki did know it though), now its FH.

Only Seamus and only Sasaki were privy to that information, unless FH revealed to someone else.

Also, from the previous role blockings, we DO know for certain that Yoyoma is not the sorcerer. I don't think its worth lynching Yoyoma just yet.

And why didn't the roleblocker block someone?

GH....anymore suspects????:juggle2: and Yoyoma is not guilty....or innocent...I see no reason why he would not be the neutral killer who killed Sasaki...:smash:

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GH....anymore suspects????:juggle2: and Yoyoma is not guilty....or innocent...I see no reason why he would not be the neutral killer who killed Sasaki...:smash:

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That may be, the fact is that we don't know. I'd rather lynch some lurker who aren't getting any attention and if we continue going at it, they'll reach the end of the game before any of us (Most of the active people here have made suspicious commentaries or have been suspected by someone, while people like Ichigo, taka or Sigurd sail safe winds without opening their mouths. The fact that they pass round after round without uttering one word (Helpful or otherwise) so we know whether they can be suspicious or not, is troubling.

Vote: Sigurd

Unless someone's knows something useful or has a good suspect im happy to go with lynching a lurker...

So was FH the one who killed Saskai? If so that means we are down to what looks like one night kill which is good and now we can focus on the lurkers does anyone have any preference on which one goes first.

As far as I'm aware we don't know who killed Sasaki. FH was a thief with investigative abilities, but he didn't kill anyone (I think). I voted for Sigurd since his inactiveness is very unusual.

I believe Sigurd is extremely busy with work.

Lord Winter...boudica...taka, these are people I would be concerned about over sigurd. Dropping to one kill a night should be a huge help.

FH is not Pisuf and Pisuf Killed Sasaki. FH's abilities were revealed to the townie network I believe. The only person he could kill was The Watcher, one of the Bronze Companions.

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I believe Sigurd is extremely busy with work.

Lord Winter...boudica...taka, these are people I would be concerned about over sigurd. Dropping to one kill a night should be a huge help.

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Hm. I see. No reason to suspect him then, I suppose.

Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: taka

Also extremely inactive.

VOTE ICHIGO

3 posts for the entire game now that is just poor.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

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I can confirm that Sigurd does indeed have legitimate time issues due to RL work. Given his history, I would not consider him 'cleared' in any way, but I don't think his activity level should be used to judge him.

didnt he use some kinda excuse like that in chicago and won his way thru to the end with no suspicions?

If he's lying, this is an across-the-board lie that will damage his reputation forever. I now count four separate mods vouching for him, plus it being stated in the Sasaki thread. If Sigurd wants to win like this, let him.

I think your thinking of Seamus...

If were going for the lynch the lurker strategy who better than Ichigo ?

Vote Ichigo

o yea, :sweatdrop: i think it was seamus, not sigurd

Vote:Ichigo......it would help if he posted more.....:brood:

Ichigo is as good a "placeholder" as any (he's gotten lynched for lurking and wogged before, but does not whine about it :bow:). taka my friend, stay active -- THAT was the point of my efforts first and foremost. Sigurd is busy in RL. He said he'd be active every week but only for brief periods during the day -- so it's fairer to eval qual rather than quant with him.

Vote: Ichigo

This may well change as evidence materializes.

I think it was the Cow made out of some kind of shiny metal.

No wait.... I retract my accusation.

Seems I am not reading things clearly. :bow:

Vote : Ichigo

Bandwagon, all on board...

I think we can remove the idea that Yoyoma is Pisuf because there was no kill tonight and Yoyoma was not blocked. Unless of course I'm missing something.

I'm not sure about lynching Ichigo. Lynching a lurker seems like such a waste at this point in the game.

Vote: Jolt

This statement struck me as odd when it was posted. I can't find much that is off about Jolt throughout the rest of the Andres situation, but the edit here seems wrong. Jolt is a Good Man and he should therefore be one of the least tolerant to the idea of keeping Andres around. This post in its totality strikes me as a good way to blend in with the Andres vote, while still trying to get him off the hook.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

How dare the burglar murder the fine men of our society?

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Andres

Off with his head! Though your offer seems interesting Andres (As the townies would gain a killer), the fact that I am myself a Good Men in risk of being murdered by yourself forces me to not care what the plebs think. You will be lynched whether the plebs wish for your help or not. Furthermore, what's to stop the Mafia from killing you if you survived? It would actually be a good way to waste a Mafia kill, but I don't think (At least myself) is worth the risk.

EDIT: Actually, since we have still a handful of Good Man, phreaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to accept his offer. If any of us good men die by his hand then he is dead. If Good Men dwindle through lynching and killing to one, we insta-lynch Andres.

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This is ridiculous. Wait, can't Good Men -actually consider his offer?- According to you, we have to instantly reject his deal and never speak of it again? Pah-leeze. I originally thought as any Good Men would that he was too much a risk for town, but after thinking it straight, it might not have been a bad idea to let him live. Since he had revealed he was bound to die sooner or later, so why not make use of him? And the idea of trying to get him off the hook is pretty laughable. In case you didn't notice, I certainly wasn't pushing for his "release" of any sort. He had confessed, and he proposed a deal. I didn't do anything else but to analyze what he had proposed for a second time. Extrapolating into trying to get Andres to come out free is quite far-fetched IMO.

I just checked, and Ichigo hasn't posted in this game since the very first day phase, a full week ago. As I am a moderator and can see through invisibility, I try not to look at the profiles of people while I am in a mafia game with them. Can someone do me a favor and check Ichigo's profile to see when he was last online?

His last post on the Org. was on 3-13

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...30#post2173330

He seems to be invisible, so this was all I could find. As such, he should be WOG'ed, not lynched.

And that is why I don't check profiles. Since he hasn't posted anywhere on the Org in a week, I would say his inactivity in this game is likely because he simply hasn't been online. That would similarly prevent him from submitting night orders. If you're going to vote for a lurker, I recommend looking at someone who actually has been around, but just hasn't contributed here.

For the record, Reenk's intro post says that no one is going to be WOGed in this game.

I'd don't quite buy that argument, TinCow. I think that makes Ichigo a MUST lynch. If he won't be WOG'ed for inactivity, then the entire game setup could be such that Reenk Roink wanted to make Ichigo the sorcerer, and allow him to total lurk his way through the game to victory.

We don't have a better suspect, and since he's not being helpful, we need to get rid of him now.

I shall Vote: TinCow, for his odd first round
For the extent of this game I will hound
Until you have been lynched.
And a town win is clinched
Methinks in TinCow, a scum hath been found.

My point is that Ichigo has probably not been online during a period in which the sorcerer and Pisuf have both killed. That would make it impossible for Ichigo to be the sorcerer or Pisuf. Thus, any role Ichigo had would be one that has not killed anyone the entire game.

This is a lazy lynch.

I've sent in murders via email before. This is not proof of Ichigo's innocence. In fact, I'd say this could fit Ichigo's MO, and Reenk made the game play right into his hands.

I don't think this is a lazy lynch, I think it is one of thoroughness and exhaustiveness and if we lynch someone besides Ichigo, we could be lynching someone more useful, and we stand to lose nothing with Ichigo's death.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

I shall Vote: TinCow, for his odd first round
For the extent of this game I will hound
Until you have been lynched.
And a town win is clinched
Methinks in TinCow, a scum hath been found.

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An apology for Ares you will not get,
For a planted stone was a decent bet.
Hound me if you must for the rest of the game,
For being the only one to use his brain.
The town, it appears, is its own greatest threat.

He confessed he was a serial killer!

Planted stone, my dead rotting butt.

Kudos on your impeccable hindsight.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Kudos on your impeccable hindsight.

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:laugh4:

All I am saying is that the planted stone is no longer valid reasoning, and no one (ok besides perhaps Seireikhaan) is really hanging you for it. I didn't realize you were suggesting that's why people suspect you.

That's not what I was saying. I'll drop it because we are obviously mis-communicating and its frustrating me, as I am sure it is you.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

An apology for Ares you will not get,
For a planted stone was a decent bet.
Hound me if you must for the rest of the game,
For being the only one to use his brain.
The town, it appears, is its own greatest threat.

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Dear, there is no reason for such disdain.
The town has been forced to endure much pain
It is your strong defense
The tone made nary sense.
And it hurt to hear you attack my brain.