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Here, and at CFC, there's a long standing tradition that Winston and I vote each other on day 1. I will also vote for him through the game if I don't have any strong feelings towards another player, I will take the vote off if it looks like there's a chance he'll be lynched and I don't see the case. A vote from me on Winston with no reasoning posted is basically "I got nothing". Lazy? Yes. Scummy? Maybe. Do I care? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
aye i gotta echo the sentiment wrt attitude
this aint mu
it aint pog
deal with it
there is an annoying trend on some sites to just automtically read low posters scummy
you gotta search em
i rescind my choxorn read
Visor
JHT
choxorn
top towns
lets roll
this vote seems disingenousQuote:
Originally Posted by Murska
i have been hard defending monty all phase and yet you switch from monty to me?
So if you don't think your read on monty holds water, why am I a suspect?
people with the idea that town always plays one way and scum always play another
are destined to lose most of their games
you gotta consider the situation and players and the words
lazy play like that will get you nowhere
This guy is lock town. Trust me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choxorn
You're a suspect because you're not trying to find scum. Defense of town means nothing alignment wise, plus I'm not exactly convinced Monty isn't scum. He's barely edged over to neutral status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
That's completely disingenuous and ignoring what has gone on this phase and this game in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murska
Such a lazy argument.
He's town, get on with your life.
Not trying to find scum rofl
I suggested a bunch of wagons that nobody was going against and said my reasons against all of them
i mean you can go ahead and lie if you want and I'll go quote the posts
but you have no leg to stand on here.
To our out-of-towners, I'm glad you're here, but I strongly recommend you familiarize yourselves with the Rules and Reference thread. This is supposed to be a friendly-but-competitive atmosphere, emphasis on the "friendly", and posts outside the grounds of common courtesy will not be tolerated.
I'm tired of having to peruse this thread to make sure posts are in line instead of looking for mafia. Be excellent to each other... or else. :bow: :viking:
My town core right now is Monty-Crimson-Visor-Pelican-Choxorn, though with the caveat that Visor could be potentially powering through and trying to take Choxorn along for the ride. Will deal with that down the line.
if I was powering through I wouldn't have suspected him in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
though maybe its fair for you to suspect i changed my game up from champs
You had a game in champs? :tongue:
I get that a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stork
T.TQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
This is not quite pro-level analysis, but yes Chox is probably town.
Apart from that not much happened over the night and I still think we should lynch novice.
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Ok. Truce. Vote: BSmithQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Why should I live?
Despite my earlier frustration, having you around to complement each other is a good idea until proven otherwise. I can better differentiate you now.
I haven’t really been able to keep up the past little bit. Can someone paraphrase the leading cases? Is the day really ending in a few hours, or will it be at the same time (8:30PM Central) that the phases have ended previously? Not sure if my countdown is messing up or if it is legit.
I honestly don’t have strong reads one way or the other here. I’m willing to sheep and work to keep the wagons close.
I still have my feathers ruffled by Crimson Fox but I think I am just irked by the way he has gone about things and not necessarily that he is a wolf. That said he should still do as I asked last night and post before the deadline who he targets when/if he gets to target anyone. I thought I had unvote: Crimson, but apparently I did it wrong.
And for those saying I am low content… it is D2. I’m probably higher content than average for me at this point in the game. It just seems low due to the sheer volume in the thread (over 1,000 posts already?!), and the fact that I have been focused on the Crimson Fox situation.
Sadly there has never been a Visor/BSmith scum team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murska
Are you a travelling man?Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
:( one day.Quote:
Sadly there has never been a Visor/BSmith scum team.
...and when that day comes, one of us will be randomly lynched on D1. I can see it now.
it will be just as bad as the time we were both serial killers :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by BSmith
Ooooooooooooooookay then! Now that theQuote:
Originally Posted by BSmith
BonnieCrimson Situation has been thoroughly dealt with, Hows about taking one of your patented long multiquote posts and giving us a nice list of reads. There is plenty to work with. Even a partial list will do.
PS Oak is nice
He still shouldn't live past day 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
Don't at all let him get far enough into this game that we are forced to choose between inactives and noninactives
No offense to Visor, but I'm no longer reading his alignment based off of his day one "suspicions". He has admitted in several games that he doesn't put much thought into them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
And this is a guy I greatly respect for his town and his mafia game. I just know that the good stuff comes later, if it does. Or he's scum.
Or it's that 1 out of 20 really bad town games.
May have meant "effort" there, but the idea is the same. It's gut feelings if that, snap read off of one post to be reversed an hour later, kind of deal.
I can't read someone's alignment based off of what is essentially random noise.
Not a vig, roleblocked, holstered, hit a bulletproof, the list goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
Why people want to make a permanent decision based off of one data point, when the answers to the above would become clearer with at least an additional data point, I don't know.
This is like lynching the claimed cop or the counterclaiming cop on day one. It's ridiculous. That situation resolves itself when we have spare lynches.
I just had a crazy idea. Why don't you lynch me? You will most likely get more information out of it than if we kept arguing in circles about voting blocks and such, and I am vanilla so I will still be able to post. We do lose one lynch day out of it, but we are frankly probably going to lynch a villager anyway, and at least this way we know we won't lose a poster. I'm pretty sure this idea is insane levels of crackpot, but I feel like doing something kind of odd. Thoughts?
i don't lynch town that's whyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Not as useful given the short time frame. It's been forever since I squared off against mafia-you. I don't think your meta has changed that much in nearly a decade of playing so I'm trusting what I remember from really long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
I would care a lot more about my post count or length of commentary if I were scum. Been cutting down on my jabber, starting last game where I got lynched D1.Quote:
Pizza is... .decidedly quiet this game, despite his earlier run of posts. At least, based on what I'm used to. Old me would be very suspicious of this, but new me is a bit more lenient on the "rl gets in teh way" excuse than old me. Still, mild suspicion.
My quality of analysis is proportional to the length of time I'm alive. Running up 300 posts by day 3 and finding no scums doesn't do anyone any good.
The activity I was looking at was early to mid day 1. Later on, looking at everything as a whole, it's better.Quote:
Seeing some suspicion lobbed at Cuth. Not totally sure why. Am I missing something?
If you look, do you feel a change, or was it exactly as townie the entire way through? It wasn't, for me.
There's four more pages before I'm even caught up.
I renew my assertion that me cutting down on my own jabber was a wise course of action. This thread could easily have another 3 pages on top of that just from me talking and people responding to that.
Pizza, who do you predict will be lynched today, and why?
Choxorn because low-posting, which is not out of the usual, or because of vote pattern / content of posts? Why that name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I don't think monty really cares about the game when he's scum. From my experience watching him be a SK. I kinda feel like he treats the game as a casual game in either role and gets more hyped up about being town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I think his pattern this game is the latter. Not saying I've ever been particularly good at reading him, however. I usually don't try.
Flesh out your thoughts on Novice and Stork a bit. Or link me because I didn't see it, with my apologies for not seeing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
I'm not in real time yet. I also don't know what a prediction would do for the solving of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Dinner is coming. You know nothing, Mon Snow-rency.
After dinner I will be able to real time chat. Unless it's super important, lmk.
I see. Enjoy the meal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
This is true, for what it's worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
I am not going to start under-posting just because that's not my scum playbook, for the record. That would be the easiest way out.
You just used the scattered thoughts town-tell on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
I used that in one of the champs games, iirc. I think I could fake this as scum fairly easily, it just doesn't really occur to me to try.
It does look like more work was actually done and more thought was expended that way, even if it was the same amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
The countdown is correct, I noted the early end in the end of night update. Not sure when I will be available tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSmith
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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
I barely have the time to read through the thread once. I am certainly not able at present to go back through 1000+ posts and do detailed reads. General reads are as follows:
Al Sipsclar – not many posts. Mostly voting for me. Not really out of character. Null.
Askthepizzaguy – Pizza is Pizza.
atheotes – no real read
BSmith – me
Choxorn – low poster. Not out of norm. has people vouching for him, slight town on that alone.
CrimsonFox – we all know how I feel about you.
Cuthillius – I can see the pocket theory. He has done it to me as well, hinting that he sees me as town. Since Pizza did the “pocket denied” post a while back I have been more sensitive to his praise of others. Could be attempting to pocket. Could just be calling town as he sees it. Maybe slight scum.
Dp101 – all over the place. Hard for me to see him as scum with what and how he has been posting.
GeneralHankerchief – no real read one way or the other.
johnhughthom – JHT is being JHT – no real read
Montmorency – Don’t see the scumminess here. Tend to agree with Pizza (I think?) that he is more engaged with this game. Hard to read him usually. Not inclined to think he is scum.
Murska – no real read
Newyn – interesting soft claim he made. Combined with his support of Choxy. I want him to answer my question on if he is a travelling man.
novice – no real read
Pelican – tone and content feels town to me.
Riedquat – no real read
seireikhaan – probably town based on his tone, but he is also hard to read
Stork – no real read
Visor – Visor is visor. He could go either way, honestly
Winston Hughes – Same as with visor. Could go either way here too.
So there you have it. Not much in the way of anything solid tbh.
Got it. Thanks. Sorry I missed that in the update!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
good start
and i don't expect you to read the whole thread twice at all.
ISOs help by only reading one person.
So your posts where you say visor is visor and pizza is pizza. tell me about those two
you seem to be saying that this is how they act normally i guess?
if that's true what is it about them that makes you feel that they are town if indeed that's what you think they are
Official Tally
3 novice (Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes)
3 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency)
2 CrimsonFox (Winston Hughes, khaan)
1 BSmith (novice)
1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)
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4 Not Voting: @BSmith, @Choxorn, @Newyn, @Riedquat
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Voting ends in:
I like pizza so far.
initial thoughts are that one or more of those people are wolves just throwing shade, the rest inexperienced i guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Eating while working on this game. Slow.
Unsure about this post. This is not a straight A --> B connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Why are you using his changing of position regarding Monty as a factor in the question of asking why you're a suspect?
I don't think the two things connect.
me too. not sure if i've played with him before. maybe a turbo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
or a big mash where i didn't know he was there?
but he is giving reads and hunting at least
I don't buy inexperienced, the people questioning your claim appear to know what they are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
yet claiming they "haven't read the thread" or "they have no opinions" or "could go either way"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Sure, you like him now, but soon he'll be cold and stale, but you'll still want another slice.
"Why do I want it so badly?", you will ask yourself. And that's when he gets you.
i mean obvious wolves are obvious wolves sometimes but i'd not think multiple wolves would be so obvious as to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
i guess instead of inexperience i could say "just plain wrong"
I meant earlier. I see what you mean though, some of them do appear to be kind of inexperienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
oh wow
eod is in an hour and a bit?
its already almost 4am
i mean theorizing that i could have been a a wolf therefore the claim is fine, but yeah tunneling on that is indeed silly.
gotta suss out the difference
not gonna make it another hour
Vote: Bsmith
Appreciate the gesture/ feeling behind the idea but the best move is always lynching the scum that scums don't want to lynch, rather than a townie or one the scums could gambit with. You're the former.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Visor and Pizza are both 1 percenters, in that they are in the top tier of mafia players. Either one is extremely capable of coming across town as mafia or vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
I can usually suss Visor out in a networking game where we have a lot of one-on-one conversations. This isn’t one of those games. Pizza is almost always an enigma.
To be clear here I am not saying that I feel they are town. I am saying that I am not feeling them at all one way or the other, and at this stage in the game with what both have posted it would be dangerous for anyone else to do so either.
ISOs are only so helpful, as you are at danger of reading things out of context and misinterpreting things. I do find them useful for finding a specific post that you remember a player making and want to go back and review.
I could postpone eod until later tonight (around the d1 time or later), but I probably won't be around to do tallies and stuff, and the update might be late.
don't postpone it on account of meQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
bsmith seems to care more about giving non-reads than reads
Pizza, when will you demand that someone scan/track you? Is that passe?
What, does he do that often?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
well you weren't the first person to remark on the early eodQuote:
Originally Posted by Stork
people can PM me their preference for whether to keep it at 3pm edt when I will be around to post tallies and stuff, or have it at 10 or 11 pm edt when I might not be around and the update could be late.
meh...let's just go donate blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
"Who's Blood?"
eh...some guy,,,
If I decided on such an action it would probably be a spreadsheet solve game where burning a tracker or watcher action on me wasn't a large investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Feel free but you want to catch scum blocker, killer, tracker, etc.
He can be somewhat boastful, saying that scanners should waste a scan on him to discover that he is pure town and they are totally wrong. Some of you aren't familiar with Pizza, so let me just say that there can be many layers to every single thing he posts. Just don't get too tangled up over him, or you're doomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Or hey, I'll be interested to see how your methods measure up against him, who claims to be unreadable.
(Don't take this as condescension, Pizza, I say it with all respect for your skills).
If end of round is comQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
ing sooner rather than later, how many hours will remain in the round?
It might actually be possible for me to be here at EOD if it weren't at 2 or 3am Norwegian time. But I'm the oddball out so I recommend sticking with the standard time or going with the vast majority.
Phantom new paragraph bug strikes again. Tired of correcting it several times while typing a post.
If I'm asking to be scanned, I have a perfect plan for how to deal with it if I'm scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I should do this as town rarely.
1 hour and 5 minutesQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
or 8/9 hours
unless there's some overwhelming support in the next few minutes I'll stick with the current eod in about an hour
Just calling it how I see it. It is still only D2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stork
I’m fine either way. I likely won’t be around at EOD regardless of what time it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
That said, I’m gonna vote: Novice over Reidquat.
Did not iso novice yet. Will do so now, given the time remaining. Thought I had more time to real-time, gonna skip it until ISO is done.
I request anyone available who is voting novice and has a case for doing so please link me to said case or restate it.
2 CrimsonFox (Winston Hughes, khaan) <--------Not voting here
1 BSmith (novice)
1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief) <-----no
1 Montmorency (Pelican) <-------no
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Winston Hughes (john) <-------no
In case you're voting for non-novice or non-Reidquat and want my vote on the non-no people above, lmk that as well.
Sticking with planned eod time, which is in 56 minutes. Or more precisely, when the timer hits zero.
pizza have changed my mind on stork, novice is prodding at odd posts and not talking about other things in a generally scummy way, also did a "scumreading the thread" post
Remind me where it is currently. I think you've had both positions at least once. I'm not willing to burn too much time looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
Official Tally
4 novice (Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes, BSmith)
3 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency)
2 BSmith (novice, Stork)
2 CrimsonFox (Winston Hughes, khaan)
1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)
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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
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Voting ends in:
i think he's townQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
the way he's attacked me the last two days is not bad, particularly at the beginning of this discussion today
Didn't realise day was ending so early. Will try to catch up in time for eod.
vote: Riedquat for now.