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Originally Posted by Montmorency
It says "This wagon formation always lynches a wolf".
@Manasi
here's an email notification since you seemingly forgot about the game
I'm starting to tinfoil on him already, personally. Trying to figure out how day two played out if Choxorn/Zack is scum though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'll spell out my case against each well before EOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I'm sorry to have inconvienced you. I am not sorry at how funny this is.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Sure, let's try it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
If Choxorn was scum:
It could be that Logic or Manasi was already on the Raith wagon, and GH held out on the Choxorn wagon (his partner's) till the last minute in hope of some townie doing the work for him. When that failed to materialize, he deployed his end-run.
We know that it couldn't have been an off-wagon voter, since BSmith and auto have flipped town. However, there were two non-voters that day: Jabbz and Champ. In that case, inactivity could have hampered Mafia efforts to save Choxorn, and GH's vote could be either a very lucky coincidence or a desperate move by a partner.
I do think lynching Champ or GH today will shed most light on D2's events, with best opportunity to chain cleared townies in the future.
double
What have I done that is wolfy?Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Okay, now I know Monty isn't reading my posts.
RE: Jabbz
He has used "logic" 5 times, and in 4 of those, he is making a case for me being town, and the remaining instance is asking Champ why he thinks I am lock wolf. Not that I don't appreciate the assessment, but I can't help but feel that his case isn't strong enough. I know I'm town, but he is making leaps that don't completely add up.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
As for you, I have a shortlist of suspects that used the antidote that cured Manasi's poison condition, and you are on it.
Think this is a villager. Why would he care otherwise idkQuote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
Seems kinda feigned. :fry: etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Lol'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Hi I'm here.
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Originally Posted by novice
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Originally Posted by Jabbz
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Originally Posted by Csargo
Lol you think I turned email notifications on yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I'm here tho
Had to say bai to the familia
MULTIQUOTE PLEASE I'M SO SORRY FRIENDS
Please, you haven't said much since D1 other than to suss Jabbz, Barto, and Choxorn, and to defend yourself from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I've read all of your posts, and I gave your latest question a precise answer.
Was there something else you had in mind?
I did not see you going there. Can you say more about these antidote hypotheses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
why they gotta be a suspectQuote:
Originally Posted by Logic
they donated to a 10/10 cause
Okay, then you're purposely not bothering to read into them other than jam them into the reality you either desperately want to be true or you desperately want other people to believe they're true (still not sure which yet), which is quite possibly even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I've made it clear on numerous occasions that I would have very low participation from Thursday afternoon to Monday night, inclusive. I mentioned it in the sign-up thread. Pizza clarified it and okay'd it. I mentioned it here. I mentioned it offsite. EOD2 was Thursday evening, 6 eastern to be exact. I mentioned twice that I was driving during that time and was stopping for a quick bite to eat and caught up with the thread. I read the posts, fully caught up with 2 minutes to go, and made a decision to go with Raith. I stuck around longer at that rest stop than I should have to see the flip, saw it, and then resumed driving.
Yet you're ascribing all of these motives like it was a predetermined play on my part or me executing Plan Omega as a last resort to save a partner or something. It's an intentional cognitive dissonance on your part and you seem to be unable to reconcile the reality of my RL situation at the time to your predetermined vision of events, and I'm starting to believe it's intentional on your part.
I should probably re-read some to confirm, but at the moment I think Viper and Monty are wolf partners. Maybe Csargo. When someone like Monty keeps getting votes but dodging the lynch, it usually means they're a wolf being saved or they're a villager being saved by wolves as a mislynch to keep in their back pocket.
But I think Viper and Monty are both individually wolfy for reasons I've talked about, and off the top of my head they make a lot of sense as partners (like I said, haven't re-read to confirm this).
This is something that bugs me, too. How do you just forget you counterclaimed someone like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
When did I do that? You mean where I answered novice wrt Zack?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I was just giving the range of possibilities in a scenario where Choxorn was scum in the D2 wagons. That wasn't a case against you. Who did you say wasn't reading carefully?
Do you have a response to my Post 1119 response to you, on this page?
Sounds plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
So it's null?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Monty wasn't saved on day three.
Yes he was... the Auto wagon came out of nowhere based on something pretty weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
I'm probably well on my way to scum MVP but Zack does make a compelling case on Viper.
Vote: SeveringViper
Maybe I'm overestimating the scum team's sway, but it feels like they could have done better than tie the vote if Monty's scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I do apologise for disappearing last night, Mr. Jabbz. Matters related to that commonly known as Real Life suddenly took over.
I shall see about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
And risk confirming their identities?Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Zack believes that they did: his top team is Monty, Viper, Csargo, all voting auto yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
But then if you are right, and my partners preferred distancing, then Viper and Csargo should not be counted as likely scum for that reason, and the other wagons need to be checked.
And who were on those wagons? Barto and GH on Jabbz, Logic on GH, and Champ on Logic. Auto and BSmith flipped town, so auto on BSmith means nothing, but how about BSmith on Champ?
Was it GH and Barto, my well-bussed fellows, setting up Jabbz as the alternative wagon and me distancing myself from them by choosing auto for the tie? Was it Logic and Champ ending off-wagon, hoping to stay UTR?
How deep does this hole go?
Seems good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manasi
I find it somewhat perplexing that Autolycus never disclosed his abilities. I think he could have defended himself better. But I will admit that it would not have been his style.
Has any of this changed at all, besides the fact that Autolycus and BSmith are now out of the picture? Your list alone makes me not want either Champ or Jabbz to die right now. 100% of those on your list, so far, have been proven to be members of the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Good God, Monty, not this again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
50% of his list.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
So you're saying that we shouldn't investigate the other wagons to find my partners? Do you believe, after all, that Csargo and Viper are my partners and that they were prepared to reveal themselves? Or are you slyly implying that Logic should be lynched, given your ostensibly-distinct reluctance to consider Champ as relayed to novice?Quote:
Good God, Monty, not this again.
no one else has been poisoned?
Cuth is long-dead, and Barto claimed to have used his 1X Poison on Manasi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
All the night kills so far seem to have been standard Mafia kills, except
which appears to be a failed attack of some sort N2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
A full 100% of those who died, Monty. The tendency is strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
All I was expressing was surprise and exasperation at the fact that you still think that GeneralHankerchief and myself are part of the same ‘Mafia’ team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I have not gotten around to reading what Logic has posted this phase. I am still trying to untangle whatever it was that I was supposed to untangle from Jabbz's earlier posts.
the n2 kill was different
thrown rock instead of earthquake
I think it's clear the Mafia are rock-type Pokemon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Hot Take: Zack and Novice are scum trying to bury me (and Monty by association) through playing up and pushing BS about my activity patterns and some nonsense about my forgetting my counterclaim. Discuss.
You haven't been proactive and are just passively reacting to things. Discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Honestly, you feel kind of weird today.
What happened to "If anyone wants to lynch me after yesterday's results, go ahead..."?
You're not going to ask me to put up money for a 50% stake in a microbrewery startup, right? :smash:
Do you honestly have a problem with my choosing to take that approach or my feeling that there was nothing worth proactively pursuing? Discuss. Or don't bother, if that's really all you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I am self-admittedly quite weird, yes. Should I bother trying to appear more normal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
And where in that did I say I was just going to lay down and wait for punishment? All I said was that I would understand people suspecting me for that, not that I would throw myself on their swords. I prefer continuing to say and do what I deem worthwhile, thank you. ^^
Also, I don't get involved with alcohol or anything that inhibits your mental capacity, like stubbornly suspecting someone for weak/nonsensical reasons. :smash:
So you didn't forget your counterclaim?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.
What you quoted was my responding to Zack because I thought that he was saying Monty was not a PR, role used up or not, and had no reason to assume that, especially with the amount of PRs claimed and flipped. I honestly have no idea how you get my forgetting my counterclaim out of that, if you're being genuine.
Yes. You've done nothing today except defend yourself with an annoying tone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
And you've done almost nothing but come after me with a tiresome half-baked case.
Funny seeing you talk about an annoying tone just from what I've seen of you here, btw.
Stop being petty and do something more productive please.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Hm, like Vote: Zack, perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Let's play~
If you're serious, list out your reasons for your vote other that don't include me voicing suspicion of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
I am just back from my meal. You sorely tempt me vote for you with this, Mr. Viper.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
You have spent today pushing a blatantly dumb case against me while being quite willing to mock and attempt to discredit others. Novice is falling in line with your garbage while putting in just enough of a show of asking questions of you. And you're positioning someone I read much higher on the town scale than you to get the noose next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Does that work for you?
Go on....? Do you not see what provoked me into this?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Okay, so:Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
1. OMGUS, which I told you not to list but you still did anyways.
2. Not sure what you mean. This describes you more than me.Quote:
while being quite willing to mock and attempt to discredit others.
3. So it's an associative read? You don't like people voicing suspicion of you, so they're wolves?Quote:
Novice is falling in line with your garbage while putting in just enough of a show of asking questions of you.
4. That seems circular.Quote:
And you're positioning someone I read much higher on the town scale than you to get the noose next.
Nope.Quote:
Does that work for you?
It was the word that came to mind. "Suspect" need not be a negative term, but in this context was probably not the best word to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manasi
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Originally Posted by Zack
So, Zack tells you to not be petty, and then you double-down on doing exactly the opposite?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
If Champ doesn't gain any traction, I may join you. SV is, at best, hiding something.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
While I am engaged in a battle with my printer, please look at Zack's latest post (#1168) for an answer, my viperine friend.
But it's suspicious of me to push him and he's a strong town read...Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
1. Oh, so voting someone for pushing a insultingly terrible case all day so far is OMGUS just because it happens to have your name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
2.-Poking GH in an insulting tone (and I haven't seen his activity outside the game, but I'd think they're decently sizeable posts or this is a silly and dumb poke, right?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
-Discrediting his reads and thoughts in addition to your painting him as tunneling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
-Misrepresenting and insulting me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
-Ignoring and discrediting said question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
-More poking people in an insulting way, then ignoring her after that to go back to me and Monty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
-Mocking me for being petty over fighting the rotting garbage of a case you've been trying to push today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
So it describes me more, huh? Go on, show me what you mean, then. I've shown yours.
3. Yes, if and when you flip wolf (as I expect), your interactions today don't look good for Novice. And more misrepresenting/discrediting for 2., thanks.
4. What? Are you or are you not setting up Monty to be lynched next?
(You missed) 5. Fine.
All right, Mr. Jabbz. While I go through your quotes, may I ask you why you voted for Zack so strangely last phase?
Meanwhile, Mr. Viper, have you ever played with Zack before?
I don't know what to make of Viper anymore. Novice and Zack may well be scum, but the fact that they are being hard on you doesn't indicate that they are teamed. Recall that novice had Choxorn/Zack tied D2. And even if that were bussing, I don't believe they would interact so much afterward. Some of the things you said recently are difficult to interpret; others may be misunderstood. I see a straightforward way to clear up the counterclaim question for one, but I won't answer for you. Just approach it literally and move on. At least explain your impressions and thinking from N3 to morning.
FYI, when Jabbz had his first game with Zack last year, the two had a row over tone and style similar to what's happening now. Zack has a relatively-abrasive way of interacting, and you may be especially sensitive right now. See what you get if you re-evaluate his posts in that light.
I want to vote Champ to benchmark the wagon, but I don't want to be locked into that for the sake of helping Viper. GH and Barto need to be talked about more.
@Logic, please explain your antidote shortlist.
Why don't you look at my given explanation, hm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Well then.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
a, I never said I trusted him completely. B. No. I dislike your push of Monty, because he absolutely is a stronger town read than you, but I suspect you for the insultingly bad push on me. And again, no, that is not an OMGUS, the case is just too blatantly bad and I can't believe town is pushing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
warning: multi-quotes
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Then why did you open the day saying you completely understand why someone would push to lynch you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
I find a most distressing link between Jabbz and Logic. On Day One:
After that day:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
When novice questioned your reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
Then you say, a few posts further down you mention owing Zack a read on Montmorency (see below).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
And on Day Four:
It is quite likely that there is a deeper connection between the two of you. Your continued defence of him as ‘lock town’ based on the one first-day post is quite baffling.Quote:
Originally Posted by JabbzWhy Logic? (…)Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ
More ludic, or possibly lucid, minds should converge on this, I think.
So, what do you think of that cunicular user, as of this new Day Phase?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
I take issue with this. I've tried to stay pretty level-headed going back and forth with someone who keeps lashing out and calling my arguments stupid garbage and the like. He is being much more abrasive than I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Can you convince me this matters?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
That's not why I connect them, please stop assuming OMGUS, thanks. Good point about D1, let me look back at the vote timings/progression. Is that a meta read or just a general statement about scum behavior? Can you list the things you find hard to interpret? The counterclaim question is a joke as I've already explained, and I've given my impressions and thinking on N3 and today already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
No. I'm just as relatively abrasive if not more, and I've listed and explained the difference in what Zack has said and done a few posts ago. I think I've been trying to evaluate posts by content and intent/effect over tone so far, do tell me if and where you don't see that and think I'm being sensitive, please.
You seem to take offence at his tone. He is, not infrequently, far more ‘abrasive’ as he has been called.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
And I gave reasons beside that you were suspecting me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Okay.
Okay, nice, you caught me, I'm aggressive in pushing things and abrasive and confrontational when I think something is based in/using poor reasoning. Tell me, is there anything I've called stupid/garbage where I've been absolutely unwilling to explain why?
Correct, that's why I'm not giving it any weight unless and until you flip wolf. I've already stated what I would point to.
So maybe I didn't suspect you then, because I actually thought you had some points and Monty wasn't exactly lock town? I explained why I chose him, now and before. Again, stronger than you. And you know, someone can be a strong town read and you can still be open to considering otherwise? Poor town lock someone in and refuse to act on the possibility they might be wrong.
That was a joke on how you left out 5. on your list despite having one final statement I replied to there.
Because I made the deciding vote that put Auto on the table and led to his lynch? I said that I would understand why I would be accused and pushed over that, not that I wouldn't defend myself, and you can see that I did in that post itself. Your case is still bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
As I have said, point to where I've solely taken offense to his tone.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
The fact that you haven't done it ‘solely’ does not mean that you have not done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I pride myself on and consider it my line that however abrasively I respond to something, there is always substance behind it beyond "I don't like what you said". If you are going to say otherwise, please back it up yourself.
Zack, I notice that Champ asked
at SoD. Did you have this in mind when you asked the same question just recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ
Uh-huh. So what do you make of Logic claiming to have a shortlist of people who may have cured Manasi, with Jabbz being at the head of the list?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Look, I'll just settle the counterclaim here. When you said this at EoD3,Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
novice found it strange that you didn't seem to acknowledge the earlier exchange of information about my role (D2), hence the question of "forgetting". Another way to interpret it is that you were suggesting to Zack that I might be a townie and also hiding one or more powers, unclaimed and presumably unknown to Zack. I'm sure there are also other interpretations. You should understand, however, that the interpretation novice voiced was not unreasonable on its face and you shouldn't treat it as such. Something like this should have been cleared up directly and immediately, even if you felt that there shouldn't be any question as to the meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Another complaint that novice and Zack voiced - and which myself, El Barto, and Csargo have echoed - is the difference in style and presence between D1-2 and now. Whether or not it should mean something, it is noticeable and people you town-read are concerned. Again, address this directly or obviate it through actions. There's no point at taking umbrage to the observation and concern, it becomes gratuitous.
You responded overall to these lines of inquiry with anger and contempt, to the extent that it became weird and unnecessary. And now most of the rest of the day has been them (in fact mostly Zack, not novice) wondering why you're acting the way you are and you growing increasingly aggressive over your perception that you are receiving attention for wrong reasons. This has clearly gone to the point of tail-chasing. Just, like, stop. Recover and reconstitute. If you have to, drop whatever point you feel you're pulling at with Zack and talk about something else.
I was just making an ancillary observation, my good sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Hmmm. Oh, yes, post #1130. I only looked at posts from about #1100 onwards, and only those by Jabbz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Compared to this earlier one (#619):
It rings hollow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
I didn't see that post, but my question meant the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
You have either misunderstood me, or misrepresented my statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I was clarifying my concern why I think Jabbz is claiming I'm a lock town.
And then I was answering GH's question about why I had softened my stance on him.
I did not use an antidote on Manasi, nor do I have any peeking ability that would give me such an insight. I have already claimed 100% vanilla.
I highly doubt that Manasi healed herself, so that leaves 9 possible candidates for healing left. Some of you are higher up than others. A claim likely does town more good than harm, yes? Someone could end this debate one way or another, yet no one has, and that could make me look rather wolfish, don t you think?
And for that earlier statement: I have no reasin, aside from Pokê-lore to think an antidote was something that exists in this game. I had seen no sign of any items up to that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
I'm off to bed, and I'll withhold my hypothesis on Manasi's mysterious benefactor for the moment.
healer should not claim right now, no reason to
But that's all I've ever asked for. How can you put some higher than others? Do you assume the healer was town, and so whoever is towniest (to you) is likeliest to have used an antidote by default? Why Jabbz specifically? Hopefully we can hear before the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Let's not try to publicly identify town PRs.
I would be more specific regarding this Logic, but I risk treading on rule breaking if I do so. You claim VT, and the way you talk about your role is not the way someone would talk about VT in a normal game. In reading my own PM I came to a conclusion that I feel is very similar to what you came to. You can find it fishy if you want, that's ok. I don't see much to gain by trying to cozy up to you, and it has in fact drawn a lot of attention to me, something scum Jabbz would mislike greatly. You don't have to trust me for my perception, but I'll continue to trust you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
There is a world of difference between having enough time to try to keep up on reading the thread, and having the time necessary to post arguments, which often require going back and forth through multiple posts. As to your implication that I'm lying about having RL obligations, I don't much care what you think. I'm not going to lie about something in RL because of an internet game.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Yeah this is nowhere near the same. That game was hot for a lot of people, and Zack is keeping it pretty mellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I feel you, and no worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
As MM pointed out, Zack and I had a rather ridiculous row my first game here, both of us taking shit personally we shouldn't have. Since he joined in after the game had already started, I thought it would be an amusing vote to cast for Modkill avoidance, until I had something solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I addressed this a couple posts back, please feel free to reference that, or any of the other 8 posts I've made about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Beyond that however, I find it interesting that you are still going hard after me, without addressing the issues that exist in the case you made against me. You made claims against me that were fundamentally untrue, but rather than accept that your argument was flawed, you instead gloss over the major point of my post, and keep attacking me.
I think you feel that I'm under enough pressure that you can safely pursue me without having a real case, something town wouldn't do. I think that a Vote: El Barto is in order.
Errr... Yes? How could you forget that Monty had claimed a 1-shot roleblocker?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Anyway, let's move on. The following is a bit rambly but I'll just dump some thoughts.
SeveringViper came out of the gate today seeming frustrated, and I don't think scum have reason to be frustrated at this point. Monty's play today has been towny.
One possible source of frustration for scum is if their N3 kill was blocked. I've been suspecting that BSmith was a vig kill, seems like a good play for a vig to get rid of a lurker. It seems others have had the same thought since they're inquiring about poisoners. Apparently the flavor supports this being a mafia kill though? I'm not into Pokemon. SV apparently did not have that thought, he didn't link Monty being blocked on N3 with mafia possibly missing a kill. I wanted to hear his reasoning for blocking Monty because I think it had very little chance of blocking a scum kill anyway, since Monty would probably not be doing the killing if he was scum, given the amount of heat he took on D3.
In short, if someone did vig BSmith I think it would be beneficial to claim that ASAP. I'm currently assuming that he was not vigged.
If BSmith was indeed the mafia night kill I think that points to multiple scum being of the active persuasion. By killing a lurker we have fewer lurkers to choose between when lynching, but just as many active players as before.
I think it makes sense to speculate on teams at this point.
Regarding Zack, the case on Monty yesterday and on Viper today is the kind of case I like to pursue myself, and you can really get going picking apart the responses of the accused. I've mislynched many people with cases like this though. Some people just aren't good at defending even when town, or are too stubborn, or fail to see problems with their own play. I guess what I'm saying is that if Monty and Viper are town, which I find very possible, we're really making things easy for scum!Zack, and I'm a bit concerned that he just keeps pushing instead of seeing things from all sides.
Third party: Seireikhaan
Deceased town:
Cuthillius - Poisoner
Raith Kemmler
Sooh - Roleblocker
BSmith
Autolycus
Hot takes:
Town, in no particular order:
Logic
Jabbz - Vanilla
Manasi
Leaning town:
Montmorency - Roleblocker
SeveringViper - Roleblocker
Champ
Leaning scum (more or less by PoE):
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto - Poisoner
Csargo
choxorn Zack
Did I miss any claims?
Vote: El Barto for now.
Tally as of post 1199:
Lynch votes
1 vote: Champ (Logic in bullet point)
2 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)
1 votes: Jabbz (El Barto)
1 votes: Zack (SeveringViper)
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read: