Sorceror 17er Game Thread

I just realized Monty also yolo voted me D1. everybody did lmao. Guess I should work on my way of playing. haha

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.

The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.



And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.

and yeah I'm being serious

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btw, this is the post who got me thinking HK might be a wolf trying something different. (the first part of it) I am going through his ISO quickly to see if it sticks

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Why did u yolo vote me EOD1?

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Because you were my second preferred option after hk and it looked like a more realistic wagon :p

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Because you were my second preferred option after hk and it looked like a more realistic wagon :p

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When did you voice it?

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

being absent is not a wolf tell for Raskol. Being a meme filled pockety jerk is though. Just fyi.

I have no read on Ladd but probably should come up with something. Cuth I think can be town, Monstr I think can be a wolf. Mostly b/c his ISO sucks a lot and by sucks a lot I mean it is entirely too short AND filled with things that read like they're spicy for the sake of being spicy, not actually things he believes in.

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"Being a meme filled pockety jerk is though" lmao. you know your stuff bitch.

I lowkey wanna call you town for how you SRed Monstr prior to voting Dolby

Heres the stuff i talked about re hk, just click those links and tell me theres nothing there

hollowkatt - I talked about hollowkatt a bit, with the "motivation" behind his post, and mention briefly a lot of hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired. The quick version with a few posts is presented here - This post. Dont think it needs explanation for that point in the game. Then there's

this (1)sequence (2) of (3) posts (4) that just doesn't check out. It feels like the wolf thing where you pick someone to pick on and then push slowly and then finding stuff in the answers that you can build on a case with and then hopefully land in a spot where a misyeet wouldn't look wolfy for your slot.

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I'm going to do the correct thing now, and prioritise other things and then have some me time for a while before i sleep, if i show up for eod please yell at me because i really dont want to and im enjoying this game a lot and dont feel like getting upset later :P


I'll do my readslist first, i probably have two varieties, one is the GUT list that just feels right, the other one is based on like, posts in thread and what i think would be objectively correct. The motivations won't be good or lengthy unless they are, because I don't feel like doing anything more extensive right now.


dobby - ugly

nebjiamn - just straight up most reasonable posts in the game but that could possibly be because its the easiest way of thinking for me to relate to. The classic "calls out the things i want to call out kinda in the way i would do it" and just feels very yes this is so good.

Sleep - So this is a tough one because Sleep is playing well but just has this different worldview on stuff from what i have, im trying my best to see where their brain is coming from and i think i might see it being genuine town stuff. The initial case on cape where everything about it reeked of confbias and no attempt to evaluate cape felt really off, but our exchange afterwards with posts like this one and this one are very very towny fmpov. Or, fmGpov. (without gut prolly way lower)

zack - Has a lot of good posts first half of the game, together with benneh the one i nodded along with the most when i read his posts. I messed up who posted what for a bit (i thought zack posts were rask posts and referring to cape posts about winston rather than cuth so lolme), so realising that cleared up a lot of the doubts i had on zack, pretty confident town tbh.

monstrbro - town.


EnderWiggin - I've had some big doubts on this slot because a lot of thought patterns have felt feigned (i translated the word from swedish sorry if its a dumb word that doesnt make sense) but the more i think about it i feel like it's probably just from a town mindset and if i go with gut this is just town yes.

katze - nya. ayaya. I've said stuff about their newcomb reads and talked to them about it, i do (now) believe that the push is legit, especially that wall sold me on katze town tbh.

cuthillius - My gutread probably gives cuth way more cred than what i'd give his posts in isolation. It's just the way he focuses on stuff and the things he writes are way less uh "square" than when he's wolfing.

Ladd - I've been flipflopping on ladd, this post just had way more than id expect at that point, but maybe its just the ladd way of pumping out reads and then tweaking. His later posts just feel like they have the enthusiasm and "fire" that town ladd has, especially the more (for ladd) wordy ones, it's also a bit relaxed which is nice to see. Gut says town.


Csargo - From a "haven't really caught up with all the posts and stuff" perspective, he looks pretty alright. There are some posts that feel a bit "thoughtful/digging" (theres a better word for it im sure) in a very towny way and i think with more activity and being caught up he shouldn't be on many woof lists.

Newcomb - tough one because like, kat was locked onto newcomb wolf from start and i think most of the talk about newcomb is founded in that his name has been showing repeatedly idk. I think kat didn't really sell the case well and newcomb has been doing stuff that genuinely look like they're trying to progress the game without trying to like, steer the direction of stuff, ish. Gut says idk.

Montmorency - Seems to be posting more now but idk


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Winston Hughes - This is a tough read because uh, if I say something it'll be omgus. I hadn't paid much attention to Winston other than the Cape thoughts, which I thought were not very reasonable, but genuinely trying to understand the motivation to vote me or even put me as a wolfread out of like "whats going on in their head"ness, and i can't really do it, honestly, but I'll refrain from saying much more there for now.

Cape90 - This is a tough one. Cape feels like the designated "doesn't really fit well into thread dynamics and therefore gets a lot of (negative) attention". The pushes on cape have felt not great for other reasons than the actual cape posts being pointed out - but there's nothing about cape's content that really makes me go this is towny. Gut is telling me that this is really a town player but it's also very much not in line with what my brain tells me.

Sunbae - WEH. I wrote a few posts about Sunbae but, it's a tough one for me. If i place a W read here it's easy to attribute it to just wanting to find Sunbae W at some point in my mafia career, but, GUT tells me wolf, not gut tells me probably town. I will say the rask - sunbae interaction is the type of thing that pings me a lot as possibly w-w (as in if one is w the other one is maybe w) with how rask has approached sunbae.

Raskolnikov - Majority has been like, the monstr stuff and i don't really want to share thoughts on that except it might very well be v/v stuff. Other than that we had a short interaction where dEtAiLs were pointed out but, as a whole i kinda don't see the process at all but i still kinda like where he ends up with his reads, if that makes sense.

hollowkatt - I talked about hollowkatt a bit, with the "motivation" behind his post, and mention briefly a lot of hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired. The quick version with a few posts is presented here - This post. Dont think it needs explanation for that point in the game. Then there's

this (1)sequence (2) of (3) posts (4) that just doesn't check out. It feels like the wolf thing where you pick someone to pick on and then push slowly and then finding stuff in the answers that you can build on a case with and then hopefully land in a spot where a misyeet wouldn't look wolfy for your slot.



also i havent read through stuff and moving things around so maybe stuff dont make sense.


ill proooooooooobably not be back tonight xoxo love u all ur beautiful souls

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@Raskolnikov this post but i also wrote stuff somewhere else, or its mostly in my notes

vote: Monty

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Originally Posted by Dobby

@Raskolnikov this post but i also wrote stuff somewhere else, or its mostly in my notes

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ok. I am not really seeing it but I will give you that it doesn't necessarily make it fake. wait and see :)

OK I lied.


Thing is I don't get the switch from HK ("hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired."), to me (that u barely acknowledged as playing and wrote down as "i kinda don't see the process at all but i still kinda like where he ends up with his reads)

Looks to me you popped in at EOD to save a partner (I seemed to remember a call for a cfd on ladd, but nope, you mentionned him for the bomb but I can tell from where it comes lol, it looks like distancing too) : HK not getting any traction and cuth/me going at each other, I had potential.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Players Votes

Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1118

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Originally Posted by Dobby

i kinda wanna shield sleep

hk and rask are good wagons unless something has majorly changed. csargo idk

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Vote: raskolnikov

sorcerer target newcomb better, even ladd tbh

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Originally Posted by Visor

DAY IS OVER.

STOP POSTING.

00 Good, 01 Bad, as usual.

I will be posting a tally momentarily.

10 minutes for corrections.

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Originally Posted by Dobby

i really dont want either ladd or newc but i prefer ladd

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I am not sure what to make of Newcomb :boxedin:

better sheep zack and hk to glory than be good tbh

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

OK I lied.


Thing is I don't get the switch from HK ("hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired."), to me (that u barely acknowledged as playing and wrote down as "i kinda don't see the process at all but i still kinda like where he ends up with his reads)

Looks to me you popped in at EOD to save a partner (I seemed to remember a call for a cfd on ladd, but nope, you mentionned him for the bomb but I can tell from where it comes lol, it looks like distancing too) : HK not getting any traction and cuth/me going at each other, I had potential.












I am not sure what to make of Newcomb :boxedin:

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I mean, if anyone else voted for hk I would've stayed on him, but I'm not going to stay on a vanity wagon with 3 wagons pulling ahead, for no reason. Yes I preferred you and you had less going for you than the others. I was set on newcomb being the perfect target for sorcerer, and had less faith in you which is why I acted like I did, I don't think anything is really that weird. Who's the partner I tried to save exactly? I preferred yeeting ladd over newcomb, I think that was pretty obvious

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

better sheep zack and hk to glory than be good tbh

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God is this really a post

I think if you try and read the post in a mindset where I'm town it all makes sense.

I prefer a hollokatt wagon, I've been trying to push for it all day.

Hollowkatt has no votes other than mine when I come back into the game during eod

I vote the next best wagon imo that still has votes, which is raskolnikov

Ladd and newcomb pull ahead, I say target newcomb with sorcerer because its very likely that.he will pick a good target if he's town, and if not, we don't really have anything huge to lose since it'll be a 1 for 1 trade. Yes in the heat of the moment I wrote that even ladd was an alright target because yes I still preferred you despite not having written an elaborate case. I hate being on vanity wagons and not making a choice at eods so I changed my vote, I would've voted ladd and honestly could have but I... just didn't?, can't say dxactly why but probably because I thought you were a realistic yoink til the last moment

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Originally Posted by Visor

Players Votes

Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

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This was an interesting one that you linked

Me and csargo on hk

Hk and cape on csargo

Hm

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Originally Posted by Cape90

now if rask isnt vested I wonder about this comment on the might move thing since it looked like Rask was pretty confident that Cuth was wolf.

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I wasn't tbh. I was pinged by his vote and turnaround (well that might have been a joke but previous mentions of my slot by Cuth seemed to lean villa) and had identified he was my only chance to live (with Monstr AFK and Monty's vote which I took for an OMGUS), and was trying to understand what he was up to.

You are right, I was sussing Sunbae yesterday, mostly a gut read. that read didn't age well lol

if anything this "might move" is very towny (I believe this, which is why me posting it is not AI :D)

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I mean, if anyone else voted for hk I would've stayed on him, but I'm not going to stay on a vanity wagon with 3 wagons pulling ahead, for no reason. Yes I preferred you and you had less going for you than the others. I was set on newcomb being the perfect target for sorcerer, and had less faith in you which is why I acted like I did, I don't think anything is really that weird. Who's the partner I tried to save exactly? I preferred yeeting ladd over newcomb, I think that was pretty obvious

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I mean, you voted me over a wolf so this is comedy. I understand when you say I can be wrong. It's true and you can be a villager. But asking who is the partner you tried to save is theater seriously. You said ladd but you did me actually.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I mean, you voted me over a wolf so this is comedy. I understand when you say I can be wrong. It's true and you can be a villager. But asking who is the partner you tried to save is theater seriously. You said ladd but you did me actually.

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I said you tbh and more than once.. and until you/hk flip I'm gonna say don't give me shit for it lol

Saying I was saving ladd is just an exaggeration though, but with seconds left of the day and snap decisions its easy in hindsight to say "you did wrong" hk>rask>ladd>newcomb and I still stand by it and always have so the picture you're trying to paint isn't really an existing one

Also I don't think I've ever voted against a teammate as wolf in a situation like that. The person is basically doomed so there less than 0 reasons to try and "save" ladd there. I'm smarter tha that as a wolf, especially if I want to go deep, and I usually do if I wolf in a non mash (or 3p which you should know from the 18er SK game :p)

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I think if you try and read the post in a mindset where I'm town it all makes sense.

I prefer a hollokatt wagon, I've been trying to push for it all day.

Hollowkatt has no votes other than mine when I come back into the game during eod

I vote the next best wagon imo that still has votes, which is raskolnikov

Ladd and newcomb pull ahead, I say target newcomb with sorcerer because its very likely that.he will pick a good target if he's town, and if not, we don't really have anything huge to lose since it'll be a 1 for 1 trade. Yes in the heat of the moment I wrote that even ladd was an alright target because yes I still preferred you despite not having written an elaborate case. I hate being on vanity wagons and not making a choice at eods so I changed my vote, I would've voted ladd and honestly could have but I... just didn't?, can't say dxactly why but probably because I thought you were a realistic yoink til the last moment

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acknowledged. it's one of these things that can't be settled on their own, because nothing that you can tell me about it will clear you, nor incrimate you definatly; but you and Monty need to be discussed

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I said you tbh and more than once.. and until you/hk flip I'm gonna say don't give me shit for it lol

Saying I was saving ladd is just an exaggeration though, but with seconds left of the day and snap decisions its easy in hindsight to say "you did wrong" hk>rask>ladd>newcomb and I still stand by it and always have so the picture you're trying to paint isn't really an existing one

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I am not trying to paint anything. I am debating about two slots and putting it out. Put yourslef in my shoes for 2 minutes. I am town and I have Dobby who voted me for raisins 2 min prior to EOD when he was missing beforehand, and Monty unvoting the wolf on the buzzer. Do you want me to just shrug it? I can't really

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Also I don't think I've ever voted against a teammate as wolf in a situation like that. The person is basically doomed so there less than 0 reasons to try and "save" ladd there. I'm smarter tha that as a wolf, especially if I want to go deep, and I usually do if I wolf in a non mash (or 3p which you should know from the 18er SK game :p)

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your words (don't think we played together already?). But I don't think ladd's slot was doomed. He had been discussed sure, but not seriously and not as a day long subject. Hell he had no votes a few minutes before EOD.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

your words (don't think we played together already?). But I don't think ladd's slot was doomed. He had been discussed sure, but not seriously and not as a day long subject. Hell he had no votes a few minutes before EOD.

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I mean a few minutes before eod I wasn't there, so in my perspective he was a legit wagon from start iirc :p


Also re aying together: maybe I'm misremembering. I was sk in a game where I killed a wolf d2 and then knew the last wolf but tried to play the situation in f4 and not kill the last wolk(?) But got shot by the last wolf cuz I got too cocky

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I am not trying to paint anything. I am debating about two slots and putting it out. Put yourslef in my shoes for 2 minutes. I am town and I have Dobby who voted me for raisins 2 min prior to EOD when he was missing beforehand, and Monty unvoting the wolf on the buzzer. Do you want me to just shrug it? I can't really

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True, I'm getting a bit too caught up in this. It just kinda feels like an omgus when hk wrote a long post with made up stuff (that I legit refute and nullify or whatever the word is) in my answer to him, its basically statements that are straight up incorrect, and get a "good post" from zack, and then you say "I'm just gonna trust em". Like, how do I put my brain in a world where are 3 are town? I don't think I'd be able to even if i got it physically planted somewhere

And yeah monty is on my agenda for the day so us cape because he's kinda flown utr.

I will say we have a really solid poe, there's always tinfoil that we can bring up, but hopefully when sunbae and zack die we have at least one more wolf dead or game is over. But just laying down flat and saying "yeah I'm just town but I need to die if you can't see it" is not a thing that's going to happen either.

Also sunbae is literally in my head with each of their posts so that should amount to something lol

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I mean a few minutes before eod I wasn't there, so in my perspective he was a legit wagon from start iirc :p


Also re aying together: maybe I'm misremembering. I was sk in a game where I killed a wolf d2 and then knew the last wolf but tried to play the situation in f4 and not kill the last wolk(?) But got shot by the last wolf cuz I got too cocky

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Actusllt you prolly played in a game I hosted around that time (funky phases or smth) and not this one

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Actusllt you prolly played in a game I hosted around that time (funky phases or smth) and not this one

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yeah I played the invitationnal where all players D1ed wolf!Boquise

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

yeah I played the invitationnal where all players D1ed wolf!Boquise

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Rekt

I feel some kind of way about Raskol talking about me but not to me. @Dobby I saw your responses I'll have some answers later after work settles down.

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Originally Posted by Dobby

True, I'm getting a bit too caught up in this. It just kinda feels like an omgus when hk wrote a long post with made up stuff (that I legit refute and nullify or whatever the word is) in my answer to him, its basically statements that are straight up incorrect, and get a "good post" from zack, and then you say "I'm just gonna trust em". Like, how do I put my brain in a world where are 3 are town? I don't think I'd be able to even if i got it physically planted somewhere

And yeah monty is on my agenda for the day so us cape because he's kinda flown utr.

I will say we have a really solid poe, there's always tinfoil that we can bring up, but hopefully when sunbae and zack die we have at least one more wolf dead or game is over. But just laying down flat and saying "yeah I'm just town but I need to die if you can't see it" is not a thing that's going to happen either.

Also sunbae is literally in my head with each of their posts so that should amount to something lol

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my comment was a joke because we have the same reads kinda and I keep nodding at zack's posts smh. (but rejoice, this game is pretty much filled with pros. we'll win it no matter what :p)

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I feel some kind of way about Raskol talking about me but not to me. @Dobby I saw your responses I'll have some answers later after work settles down.

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I understand that timezones are a thing you absolute brussels sprout :D
Even then I expected at some point you'd drop a ping with some questions. I'm not used to you not trying to directly solve me

also Dobby I will try not to read into you not replying to the important stuff (Ladd's slot wasn't doomed) but to the other stuff instead (if we played together). maybe

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I understand that timezones are a thing you absolute brussels sprout :D
Even then I expected at some point you'd drop a ping with some questions. I'm not used to you not trying to directly solve me

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:D

what is the purpose of this post? (outside the excellent punchline, which I thank you for)
Are you tinfoiling my slot, for real?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

:D

what is the purpose of this post? (outside the excellent punchline, which I thank you for)
Are you tinfoiling my slot, for real?

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I mean, not rested after provoking the explosion of my partner, I go on and bus another one instead of say, just lunching Cuth for funsies (after he unvoted me)?

I am sorry we couldn't chat more aorn, but there is time still :)

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

:D

what is the purpose of this post? (outside the excellent punchline, which I thank you for)
Are you tinfoiling my slot, for real?

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you're welcome ;-)
your posting has been townie, just missing the real time interactions/probing questions you typically have for me.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

also Dobby I will try not to read into you not replying to the important stuff (Ladd's slot wasn't doomed) but to the other stuff instead (if we played together). maybe

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I kinda did answer that tbh but let's try again

I still... came back to thread like 5, max 10 mins before eod (I might be misremembering) and yeah calling it doomed isn't fully accurate, it was between them qnd you I guess when I joined, but I wasn't sure about vc and it was all very very stressed when i opened the game again after being absent most of the evening (despite saying I wouldn't be back, which I guess would've looked better for me, if optics would matter ;) )

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

you're welcome ;-)
your posting has been townie, just missing the real time interactions/probing questions you typically have for me.

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Sure, did you have a look at newcomb or katze?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Sure, did you have a look at newcomb or katze?

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Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
I think they're just town.

Newcomb otoh is playing like a wolf. I can't point to anything and yell "smoking gun post here" but overall the tone of their game is very much a "defensive/pocketing" type of tone. Like there's a lot of posts in their ISO that are just aimed at specific people. I find myself wanting to town read newcomb based off of some of them, but sitting back and really looking at them I struggle to justify that feeling.

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Originally Posted by katze

idk i townlean him aorn



think this post expressing concerns on sleep without throwing in the essentially "why me" post from sleep is >rand villagery

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Originally Posted by katze

ive read and digested the sleep wallpost and sure i can play ball with it for now

vote: Cape90



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no gold trophies? p weaksauce, broski

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I am reading Newcomb and found these incidentally. :hide:
I really need to do katze afterward to see how that newcomb read has evolved (and been applied or not)

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Originally Posted by katze

idk i townlean him aorn



think this post expressing concerns on sleep without throwing in the essentially "why me" post from sleep is >rand villagery

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
I think they're just town.

Newcomb otoh is playing like a wolf. I can't point to anything and yell "smoking gun post here" but overall the tone of their game is very much a "defensive/pocketing" type of tone. Like there's a lot of posts in their ISO that are just aimed at specific people. I find myself wanting to town read newcomb based off of some of them, but sitting back and really looking at them I struggle to justify that feeling.

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oh very much appreciated! I keep flipfloping on katze's slot so that's good info. still on Newcomb's ISO

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

I've skimmed ahead enough to know that people jump on this so I probably don't need to do anything here I'd imagine? I'll just hold all cape thoughts until I fully catch up.

What's cape's overall experience level?

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This is a post I have a pb with for instance. Like the fact people may go after Monty for straight up talking about the mechs opening the game isn't a good reason not to if you are actually bothered by it. seems a weird line of thinking, like I am not sure Newcomb was interested, even if the post implies it.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Would his slot need to try?

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(this re: neb/ben)

i dont think need is the right question, wolves dont need to do anything but my guess is that as a wolf he be doing tings to try to push villagers more

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Originally Posted by zack

and the chainsaw defense from ladd just rings my alarm bells

it was a weird, weak reason that he kept bringing up to defend him, and he also tried to share me for voting Monty and made a post saying "one of your villa tells is when you defend lhf like Monty"

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thing is he did the same thing with cape and im kind of coming around to cape being v, he cant have been chainsaw defending everyone because theres not enough wolves for that

i havent really had a problem with his posts today but i havent been assured of their towniness

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

It's not "never interact with people you wolfread you," that would be silly. It's that I don't find it productive to talk to people who wolfread me, or people I wolfread, about that read.

Like what actual good do you think it's gonna do to try to argue about this specific issue if we happen to be v/v? It would be like that meme of spider man pointing at himself.

My wolfread on you is based on a) me noticing that you were talking about me in a way that looked performative vs. having a specific read or one that seemed inquisitive. I.e. just kind of waving your hand around and going "hey guys newcomb looks wolfy" type posts. And then b) me being generally on the lookout for a wolf to try this kind of thing with me - poking at/around me specifically to get townread. Your treatment of me matched both my loose range of people who might try this, and the lack of depth in the approach to it matched my conception of the commitment someone might have to that kind of play D1.

The problem is, what are you going to say to that that's going to be productive in addressing that? "Nah bro that's not what I'd do as a wolf."? We're not arguing about the base facts of what you did, we'd be arguing about subjective interpretations about it, and what use would that be? You're biased.

And you could pretty much flip everything I just said around for you wolfreading me.

If you want my read on you to evolve and change, just play the game, show me you're invested in it, show me your thought process. If you want to find common ground with me specifically, talk to me about literally anything other than your alignment or mine.

Here, I'll start: right now what I'm considering a pivot point this game is cape vs. sleep. Going through the possible worlds where they're v/v, v/w, w/v, and w/w, what do you think the game looks like in those worlds, does anything really important stand out? Do you think any of those configurations are wildly unlikely?

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how bad would it be if I call both katze/newcomb town?

Every time I try to reevaluate stuff (as in the towncored slots in any other game I play) I get accused of widening the poe so here goes, I'm widening the poe


Note that I have not paid much attention to interactions between other players, but I've focused on other stuff that I've talked about, playing it weird like a classic dobby

So not gonna touch zack and sunbae (love u both)

I've been saying cuth is one of my strongest townreads, that's also made me just put him as town and barely read anything else he has written nor what people have written about him. If I give one person out of 17 a freebie, that person is usually wolf.

Benneh has also been my absolute top town because he's just played really fucking well and prolly qlso cuz he's the one person that I feel like plays closest by far to my own way of regarding stuff and just putting it forward in a slick way, all of d1 was like aaaa yes this is what I meant but worded badly. But he's also a superpro at amogus and shits on me every game so I should maybe not just hand out a freebie just like that

Newcomb has been, uh, I still really want him to get a bomb. It should just make sense for more ppl than me. Its still viable that the wagons were w/w d1 tbh, but also, if he's town he can just.. I think he'll use it really well? And I don't think we should go too far into the game without yoinking him tbh maybe. My read on him isn't very well developed but that's cuz I was too caught up in the katze read on him yesterday.

Katze is another weh for me. I didn't like how she pushed newcomb but like the last (?) wall kat posted had some sentences that stood out as woah (smth smth I don't fear you and I would do it anyway) paraphrased. I qlso strongly disagree with hk's read that he justed posted, kat is more well nuanced especially as wolf than what hk gives cred for in his recent post (and I kinda hated that post for several reasons but it might be cuz of my hk tunnel but weh.)

Rask I wouldn't give that much cred for bussing/not bussing stuff but I need to actually read the posts from day start til bombing because I straight up haven't I just joined like just after that.

Oh and still me and csargo were on hk yesterday, hk was on csargo. Today hk and I cross vote, weh.

Monty is still a blindspot, that's on me, cape has looked weh more than once but I just haven't focused on him at all, also on me to change tbh

Ender I had a dum top post read on and I gave him cred because I thought hk was wolf, but other than that I've kinda just forgotten a lot about him and need to look back.

Sleep handled my push on him really really well and came out with a "We don't think similarly at all but yeah this person plays in a toeny way and is legit trying to solve even though its not like me"

I think that's all unless I forgot a partner or something

If i had to guess I'd tier stuff, easy solve is in the less "visible" players hk/monty/ender

But I really dont think its that ez and theres a wolf in kat/benneh/newcomb

I don't know which group i want to place rask in


Did I blow open the poe well enough?

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

yeah, regardless of whether or not I've got it close to right, this has been a really fun game. I forgot how enjoyable and stress free werewolf can be when you just have a chill playerlist that's trying to figure things out. Glad to hear others are enjoying themselves too. My games here are always fun and I should try to cut back on the high volume mu games and replace them with some more games here if people are game.

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its been a very enjoyable and reasonably paced game :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
I think they're just town.

Newcomb otoh is playing like a wolf. I can't point to anything and yell "smoking gun post here" but overall the tone of their game is very much a "defensive/pocketing" type of tone. Like there's a lot of posts in their ISO that are just aimed at specific people. I find myself wanting to town read newcomb based off of some of them, but sitting back and really looking at them I struggle to justify that feeling.

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Aaaaaaaaa i really dont like this post and i disagree with it do bsd


But qfter writing that wall my gut is yelling st me to vote cspe

been feeling a bit groggy and unproductive last night

I think a good play is voting me off, mostly because I am confident in my townreads, but I also feel like I am pretty spewed town from the 2 mafia that flipped, but in that regard I am sure wolves made sure buddies looked good too

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
I think they're just town.

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I see where this meta read is coming from

especially since in that one hydra game that me and you played as town vs katze mafia, katze was very jokey

I don't think I wanna discount katze as much as others

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I just realized Monty also yolo voted me D1. everybody did lmao. Guess I should work on my way of playing. haha

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Why are you just saying this now?

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Aaaaaaaaa i really dont like this post and i disagree with it do bsd


But qfter writing that wall my gut is yelling st me to vote cspe

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so lets dialog? Yes I'm voting for you but if we can talk about things like this instead of "you case me I case you" I think both of us can come to a better understanding of each others alignments.

What don't you like about that post? Do you feel like I'm missing something? Do you feel like I'm being too vague and nebulous? what's up, lets chat

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Originally Posted by Dobby

1) irl day 2, second half of d1 of that helps.

2) cool ty for doing that. It takes a lot for me to ever be top posting and even if im in thread q full day I'm not st the top

3) my read on monstr was based on a few things but also things I don't want/shouldn't talk about. I didn't think he'd tilt and react like that as wolf ever but obviously I was wrong.

4) associative reads or whatever it's called often turn out wrong at least for me so yeah even though j might do it at some point that wasn't anything I found useful to do

5) dolby tried to push me didn't he? I might be wrong about that

6) the "I didn't want to participate in ladd" is just wrong. I had sus on him throughout but I preferred you/rask at eod which I was very clear about. When I saw the wagons last minute after the shifts I was pretty clear about preferring ladd over newcom. I did suggest newcomb get the bomb because of his potential to be town and if so he'd be the best one to have the bomb. I don't think that reasoning was weird but apparently it was. And saying I don't prefer ladd/newcomb to you isn't weird when I still find it likelier for you to be wolf than the rest of the playerlist. Can't know if I'm wrong til you die, right? :)

Re reevaluations - I'm trying to actually take things that show up in consideration and have changed my reads based on that, for example on sleep that I pushed really hard early on and then got pretty convinced that he's town.

7) I wrote about your push on... I think it was ender, cba looking up, and how it didn't make sense, don't believe you've explained that part and it's one of the main reasons I still have my doubts on you.

8) saying I'm lost this game is extremely exaggerated just because I'm pushing you and was wrong on monstr. You're not helping me change my mind tbh

9) omgus? :p would you sus me if I didn't push you?

A fair bit of what you wrote there is straight up wrong or intentional misinterpretations of what I wrote and yeah it doesn't help in finding you town at all.

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"but Cape is dismissive of cases on them"

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Originally Posted by Cape90

been feeling a bit groggy and unproductive last night

I think a good play is voting me off, mostly because I am confident in my townreads, but I also feel like I am pretty spewed town from the 2 mafia that flipped, but in that regard I am sure wolves made sure buddies looked good too

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Reql talk nobody ever looks into the reads of dead ppl so if ur town you should fite for it and never just say kil me

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Imagine subbing into a game and voting your partner

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you realize that was at the start of the day right?

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Originally Posted by Cape90

I see where this meta read is coming from

especially since in that one hydra game that me and you played as town vs katze mafia, katze was very jokey

I don't think I wanna discount katze as much as others

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was jokey there, was jokey (I thought) in finals, bastard mash (though caveat it's a mash and it's bastard but tonally it's similar). Obvs it's not a hard clear but it's a read I'm comfortable making and sticking with.

man... 1604 says nothing

I have a feeling mafia is Mont this game. Too many things keep piling up

Vote: Montmorency

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

I think we need to start talking about consolidating.

Who's actually likely to go over today?

1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
4. Ladd
5. Winston Hughes
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13. monstrbro
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Zack no, bennah... probably not though I can't off the top of my head recall anyone strongly reading bennah one way or another.

Cuth, probably not, some strong voices townread.

Ladd... interesting but I don't realistically think that's ever happening D1 here.

Winston... could see this being a LHF compromise type thing I guess? Possible.

Rask, possible

Me, not happening

Csargo, maaaaybe but kind of a long shot IMO

Ender, maybe

Sunbae, probably not happening

Monte, sure

Dobby, jury's out, see how people react to the catchup. I tend to think not.

Monster, uhhhh yeah moving on

Katz, probably not happening

Sleep, would probably be the spiciest D1 lynch that's actually on the table.

Cape, not actually sure. Can't recall what thread sentiment is on this guy.

HK, outside shot maybe

That leaves us with what, Winston/Rask/Monte as the "taking the easy way out" type options, with Monte being like the pure shot in the dark. and the two C names, Ender, and outside shot of Sleep/HK as the more information heavy but harder kills?

Does that roughly match other people's takes on thread sentiment? Open question. Feels like it's about time to get the ball rolling though.

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oh lol. posts to ketchup

but really that one from Newcomb is bad (openly gauging the thread about the incoming yeet is a great intro to manipulating it)

I think the team could simply be mont/dobby

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

so lets dialog? Yes I'm voting for you but if we can talk about things like this instead of "you case me I case you" I think both of us can come to a better understanding of each others alignments.

What don't you like about that post? Do you feel like I'm missing something? Do you feel like I'm being too vague and nebulous? what's up, lets chat

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Imma drive home from work but lettuce yes

I wrote about it in my wall just now but I just don't sgree with the read on kat, the "meta" stuff, kat is rxtreeeemely competent, maybe especially as wolf and that read is playing down her skills way too much even though you're saying it is with respect which I agree you're doing. I just don't see her being as polarized as you describe there.

And that you make it some kind of duality (I think that's the word) where you start off the sentence about newcomb with "on the other hand", it just feels... staged.

Fwiw I did appreciate your post answering my "find good stuff about me", or, the segment with that rather, but I would've preferred seeing like, more uh idk how to describe it. I would've liked to see some kind of yes I really want to see if I'm being tunneled/wrong and if actually the things people have said look good for dobby actually do"

Because that would be the first thing I'd do if I would make a list like that about you, I'd want to see why the people who are saying you look good, do so

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Originally Posted by Cape90

you realize that was at the start of the day right?

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Yes? It was q semi/ joke about dolby subbing in at the start of the day and immediately voting me. What do u even mean

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

HollowKatt: I think their interactions with Monstr are interesting. Immediately called out Monstr for feeling spicy for the sake of spicy, follows up on it by reiterating it to Cuth, monstr returns by saying it's not a real thought and voting hk. That is the entirety of HK's iso that I feel I can call towny and, frankly, I'm pretty ok saying it's reasonable to expect monstr to be a bus target at that point. I don't think anything else in there feels like someone trying to solve the game and I think the case on Dobby is like, really twisty in a nefarious way. I have this slot as a possible wolf. Not a lock. Could easily still be villa. But thus far isoing everyone up to this point, this one is the least villagery to me by far

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I don't think this is right though

HK has given me major townpings in the way they put their words together in their longerish posts at least. Saying it's the entirety of HK's ISO feels hugely disingenuous to say the least

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Originally Posted by Cape90

I think the team could simply be mont/dobby

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Is it cuz I just said my gut wants to vote you or where did that came from

It feels like everyone mentioning me started to do it as soon as I talked about them or said they might be scum. Hk, rask and now cape. Imma try someone else now and see what happens

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Why are you just saying this now?

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I was back reading EOD1?
What do you wanna now?

Cape/mont/hk is prolly just it

I mean I know I'm poe and it's gonna be hard to get out of it so I'm relying on @Sunbae to help me a little with that, I kinda just don't want to be among the first ones to die because that would be boring and sad

And a waste of handsomeness

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Yes? It was q semi/ joke about dolby subbing in at the start of the day and immediately voting me. What do u even mean

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I was getting at I feel like it is easy for mafia to do that with their partners at the start of each day just to like distance and stuff then hop on other people later.

I seem valid to me

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Originally Posted by Cape90

I was getting at I feel like it is easy for mafia to do that with their partners at the start of each day just to like distance and stuff then hop on other people later.

I seem valid to me

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Everything is safe for mafia to do until it isn't:p i started the day with a case on ladd and then wasn't as sure towards the end of the day

That's hit nr 2

(But yeah it's not a weird thought from you)

Imma try this for a bit

Vote: cape90

Just wanna see if my tummy stops yelling at me but man hk/cap HAS a wolf or riot

i caught up abd dont have a ton to add but theres two things in my mind

- i think that if newcomb is town (and that is a big if) katze is more likely a wolf than ender. katzes posts have felt all right but i dont...have strong reasons to clear her

- i'm still mighty suspicious of cuth

in fact

vote: Cuthillius

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Imma drive home from work but lettuce yes

I wrote about it in my wall just now but I just don't sgree with the read on kat, the "meta" stuff, kat is rxtreeeemely competent, maybe especially as wolf and that read is playing down her skills way too much even though you're saying it is with respect which I agree you're doing. I just don't see her being as polarized as you describe there.

And that you make it some kind of duality (I think that's the word) where you start off the sentence about newcomb with "on the other hand", it just feels... staged.

Fwiw I did appreciate your post answering my "find good stuff about me", or, the segment with that rather, but I would've preferred seeing like, more uh idk how to describe it. I would've liked to see some kind of yes I really want to see if I'm being tunneled/wrong and if actually the things people have said look good for dobby actually do"

Because that would be the first thing I'd do if I would make a list like that about you, I'd want to see why the people who are saying you look good, do so

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Katze is competent sure. I have spent the last 20 minutes reading through their MU wolf games both on Katze and their turbo alt and I'm rock solid confident in this read now. As wolf katze is more likely to use self-depreciating humor, is more likely to crack jokes instead of solving, and is more likely to run the game on "shitpost" mode for lack of better terms than they are as town.

I did not say polarized btw, I said I think there's enough of a difference to call that out and make a read based on it.

It is a duality for me. Katze feels obvs town, newcomb does not feel obvs town. If my post reflects that it's because that's what I'm thinking.

I started your ISO with the intention of finding good stuff. The reason that didn't continue is because I wasn't finding more good stuff. I didn't go into your ISO with the intent to paint you as poorly as possible, that just happened

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I think the team could simply be mont/dobby

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Why mont?

im laughing very hard at forming a rock solid metaread in 20 minutes, but i think thats a genuine thought

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Originally Posted by Cape90

been feeling a bit groggy and unproductive last night

I think a good play is voting me off, mostly because I am confident in my townreads, but I also feel like I am pretty spewed town from the 2 mafia that flipped, but in that regard I am sure wolves made sure buddies looked good too

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y do u feel ur spewed town?

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Originally Posted by zack

I don't think anyone has responded to any of my Monty stuff? other than newcomb referencing it

and people are still giving him credit for ending on ladd when I've pointed out 80 times that he actually tried to unvote but it was at :01 (after seeing several other people suddenly vote ladd)

his posts today are not doing it today for me but I seem to be on an island here

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You're not; what did you think of the stuff he posted most recently though?

test?

Site acting really weird for anything else? The thread is loading fine but replies are lagging forever?

ok sorry i might be around a bit later but i was marginally functional at best as a human being this weekend and now i have stuff to do

feel free to disregard my reads for the time being probably

Okay genuine question to the 29459239439 people who want to "resolve" / infolynch me.

Does the game become really different or obvious if you get confirmation I'm a villager? Because I'm sitting here *knowing I'm a villager* and weathervaning pretty hard. Like am I missing something? If you were in my shoes and knew I was a villager would you just go, "oh of course, it's obviously X/Y."

I'll take the help at this point.

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Originally Posted by Sleep

in fact

vote: Cuthillius

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i take that back potentially (i haven't read anything since yesterday middayish)

what?