Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Raskolnikov]

I just realized Monty also yolo voted me D1. everybody did lmao. Guess I should work on my way of playing. haha

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.

The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.



And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.

and yeah I'm being serious

btw, this is the post who got me thinking HK might be a wolf trying something different. (the first part of it) I am going through his ISO quickly to see if it sticks

[Dobby]

Why did u yolo vote me EOD1?

Because you were my second preferred option after hk and it looked like a more realistic wagon :p

[Raskolnikov]

Because you were my second preferred option after hk and it looked like a more realistic wagon :p

When did you voice it?

[Raskolnikov]

being absent is not a wolf tell for Raskol. Being a meme filled pockety jerk is though. Just fyi.

I have no read on Ladd but probably should come up with something. Cuth I think can be town, Monstr I think can be a wolf. Mostly b/c his ISO sucks a lot and by sucks a lot I mean it is entirely too short AND filled with things that read like they're spicy for the sake of being spicy, not actually things he believes in.

"Being a meme filled pockety jerk is though" lmao. you know your stuff bitch.

I lowkey wanna call you town for how you SRed Monstr prior to voting Dolby

[Dobby]

Heres the stuff i talked about re hk, just click those links and tell me theres nothing there

hollowkatt - I talked about hollowkatt a bit, with the "motivation" behind his post, and mention briefly a lot of hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired. The quick version with a few posts is presented here - This post. Dont think it needs explanation for that point in the game. Then there's

this (1)sequence (2) of (3) posts (4) that just doesn't check out. It feels like the wolf thing where you pick someone to pick on and then push slowly and then finding stuff in the answers that you can build on a case with and then hopefully land in a spot where a misyeet wouldn't look wolfy for your slot.

[Dobby]

I'm going to do the correct thing now, and prioritise other things and then have some me time for a while before i sleep, if i show up for eod please yell at me because i really dont want to and im enjoying this game a lot and dont feel like getting upset later :P


I'll do my readslist first, i probably have two varieties, one is the GUT list that just feels right, the other one is based on like, posts in thread and what i think would be objectively correct. The motivations won't be good or lengthy unless they are, because I don't feel like doing anything more extensive right now.


dobby - ugly

nebjiamn - just straight up most reasonable posts in the game but that could possibly be because its the easiest way of thinking for me to relate to. The classic "calls out the things i want to call out kinda in the way i would do it" and just feels very yes this is so good.

Sleep - So this is a tough one because Sleep is playing well but just has this different worldview on stuff from what i have, im trying my best to see where their brain is coming from and i think i might see it being genuine town stuff. The initial case on cape where everything about it reeked of confbias and no attempt to evaluate cape felt really off, but our exchange afterwards with posts like this one and this one are very very towny fmpov. Or, fmGpov. (without gut prolly way lower)

zack - Has a lot of good posts first half of the game, together with benneh the one i nodded along with the most when i read his posts. I messed up who posted what for a bit (i thought zack posts were rask posts and referring to cape posts about winston rather than cuth so lolme), so realising that cleared up a lot of the doubts i had on zack, pretty confident town tbh.

monstrbro - town.


EnderWiggin - I've had some big doubts on this slot because a lot of thought patterns have felt feigned (i translated the word from swedish sorry if its a dumb word that doesnt make sense) but the more i think about it i feel like it's probably just from a town mindset and if i go with gut this is just town yes.

katze - nya. ayaya. I've said stuff about their newcomb reads and talked to them about it, i do (now) believe that the push is legit, especially that wall sold me on katze town tbh.

cuthillius - My gutread probably gives cuth way more cred than what i'd give his posts in isolation. It's just the way he focuses on stuff and the things he writes are way less uh "square" than when he's wolfing.

Ladd - I've been flipflopping on ladd, this post just had way more than id expect at that point, but maybe its just the ladd way of pumping out reads and then tweaking. His later posts just feel like they have the enthusiasm and "fire" that town ladd has, especially the more (for ladd) wordy ones, it's also a bit relaxed which is nice to see. Gut says town.


Csargo - From a "haven't really caught up with all the posts and stuff" perspective, he looks pretty alright. There are some posts that feel a bit "thoughtful/digging" (theres a better word for it im sure) in a very towny way and i think with more activity and being caught up he shouldn't be on many woof lists.

Newcomb - tough one because like, kat was locked onto newcomb wolf from start and i think most of the talk about newcomb is founded in that his name has been showing repeatedly idk. I think kat didn't really sell the case well and newcomb has been doing stuff that genuinely look like they're trying to progress the game without trying to like, steer the direction of stuff, ish. Gut says idk.

Montmorency - Seems to be posting more now but idk


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Winston Hughes - This is a tough read because uh, if I say something it'll be omgus. I hadn't paid much attention to Winston other than the Cape thoughts, which I thought were not very reasonable, but genuinely trying to understand the motivation to vote me or even put me as a wolfread out of like "whats going on in their head"ness, and i can't really do it, honestly, but I'll refrain from saying much more there for now.

Cape90 - This is a tough one. Cape feels like the designated "doesn't really fit well into thread dynamics and therefore gets a lot of (negative) attention". The pushes on cape have felt not great for other reasons than the actual cape posts being pointed out - but there's nothing about cape's content that really makes me go this is towny. Gut is telling me that this is really a town player but it's also very much not in line with what my brain tells me.

Sunbae - WEH. I wrote a few posts about Sunbae but, it's a tough one for me. If i place a W read here it's easy to attribute it to just wanting to find Sunbae W at some point in my mafia career, but, GUT tells me wolf, not gut tells me probably town. I will say the rask - sunbae interaction is the type of thing that pings me a lot as possibly w-w (as in if one is w the other one is maybe w) with how rask has approached sunbae.

Raskolnikov - Majority has been like, the monstr stuff and i don't really want to share thoughts on that except it might very well be v/v stuff. Other than that we had a short interaction where dEtAiLs were pointed out but, as a whole i kinda don't see the process at all but i still kinda like where he ends up with his reads, if that makes sense.

hollowkatt - I talked about hollowkatt a bit, with the "motivation" behind his post, and mention briefly a lot of hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired. The quick version with a few posts is presented here - This post. Dont think it needs explanation for that point in the game. Then there's

this (1)sequence (2) of (3) posts (4) that just doesn't check out. It feels like the wolf thing where you pick someone to pick on and then push slowly and then finding stuff in the answers that you can build on a case with and then hopefully land in a spot where a misyeet wouldn't look wolfy for your slot.



also i havent read through stuff and moving things around so maybe stuff dont make sense.


ill proooooooooobably not be back tonight xoxo love u all ur beautiful souls

@Raskolnikov this post but i also wrote stuff somewhere else, or its mostly in my notes

[Raskolnikov]

vote: Monty

[Raskolnikov]

@Raskolnikov this post but i also wrote stuff somewhere else, or its mostly in my notes

ok. I am not really seeing it but I will give you that it doesn't necessarily make it fake. wait and see :)

[Raskolnikov]

OK I lied.


Thing is I don't get the switch from HK ("hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired."), to me (that u barely acknowledged as playing and wrote down as "i kinda don't see the process at all but i still kinda like where he ends up with his reads)

Looks to me you popped in at EOD to save a partner (I seemed to remember a call for a cfd on ladd, but nope, you mentionned him for the bomb but I can tell from where it comes lol, it looks like distancing too) : HK not getting any traction and cuth/me going at each other, I had potential.

Players Votes

Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1118

i kinda wanna shield sleep

hk and rask are good wagons unless something has majorly changed. csargo idk

Vote: raskolnikov

sorcerer target newcomb better, even ladd tbh

DAY IS OVER.

STOP POSTING.

00 Good, 01 Bad, as usual.

I will be posting a tally momentarily.

10 minutes for corrections.

i really dont want either ladd or newc but i prefer ladd

I am not sure what to make of Newcomb

[Raskolnikov]

better sheep zack and hk to glory than be good tbh

[Dobby]

OK I lied.


Thing is I don't get the switch from HK ("hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired."), to me (that u barely acknowledged as playing and wrote down as "i kinda don't see the process at all but i still kinda like where he ends up with his reads)

Looks to me you popped in at EOD to save a partner (I seemed to remember a call for a cfd on ladd, but nope, you mentionned him for the bomb but I can tell from where it comes lol, it looks like distancing too) : HK not getting any traction and cuth/me going at each other, I had potential.












I am not sure what to make of Newcomb

I mean, if anyone else voted for hk I would've stayed on him, but I'm not going to stay on a vanity wagon with 3 wagons pulling ahead, for no reason. Yes I preferred you and you had less going for you than the others. I was set on newcomb being the perfect target for sorcerer, and had less faith in you which is why I acted like I did, I don't think anything is really that weird. Who's the partner I tried to save exactly? I preferred yeeting ladd over newcomb, I think that was pretty obvious

[Dobby]

better sheep zack and hk to glory than be good tbh

God is this really a post

[Dobby]

I think if you try and read the post in a mindset where I'm town it all makes sense.

I prefer a hollokatt wagon, I've been trying to push for it all day.

Hollowkatt has no votes other than mine when I come back into the game during eod

I vote the next best wagon imo that still has votes, which is raskolnikov

Ladd and newcomb pull ahead, I say target newcomb with sorcerer because its very likely that.he will pick a good target if he's town, and if not, we don't really have anything huge to lose since it'll be a 1 for 1 trade. Yes in the heat of the moment I wrote that even ladd was an alright target because yes I still preferred you despite not having written an elaborate case. I hate being on vanity wagons and not making a choice at eods so I changed my vote, I would've voted ladd and honestly could have but I... just didn't?, can't say dxactly why but probably because I thought you were a realistic yoink til the last moment

[Dobby]

Players Votes

Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1118

This was an interesting one that you linked

Me and csargo on hk

Hk and cape on csargo

Hm

[Raskolnikov]

now if rask isnt vested I wonder about this comment on the might move thing since it looked like Rask was pretty confident that Cuth was wolf.

I wasn't tbh. I was pinged by his vote and turnaround (well that might have been a joke but previous mentions of my slot by Cuth seemed to lean villa) and had identified he was my only chance to live (with Monstr AFK and Monty's vote which I took for an OMGUS), and was trying to understand what he was up to.

You are right, I was sussing Sunbae yesterday, mostly a gut read. that read didn't age well lol

if anything this "might move" is very towny (I believe this, which is why me posting it is not AI :D)

[Raskolnikov]

I mean, if anyone else voted for hk I would've stayed on him, but I'm not going to stay on a vanity wagon with 3 wagons pulling ahead, for no reason. Yes I preferred you and you had less going for you than the others. I was set on newcomb being the perfect target for sorcerer, and had less faith in you which is why I acted like I did, I don't think anything is really that weird. Who's the partner I tried to save exactly? I preferred yeeting ladd over newcomb, I think that was pretty obvious

I mean, you voted me over a wolf so this is comedy. I understand when you say I can be wrong. It's true and you can be a villager. But asking who is the partner you tried to save is theater seriously. You said ladd but you did me actually.

[Dobby]

I mean, you voted me over a wolf so this is comedy. I understand when you say I can be wrong. It's true and you can be a villager. But asking who is the partner you tried to save is theater seriously. You said ladd but you did me actually.

I said you tbh and more than once.. and until you/hk flip I'm gonna say don't give me shit for it lol

Saying I was saving ladd is just an exaggeration though, but with seconds left of the day and snap decisions its easy in hindsight to say "you did wrong" hk>rask>ladd>newcomb and I still stand by it and always have so the picture you're trying to paint isn't really an existing one

[Dobby]

Also I don't think I've ever voted against a teammate as wolf in a situation like that. The person is basically doomed so there less than 0 reasons to try and "save" ladd there. I'm smarter tha that as a wolf, especially if I want to go deep, and I usually do if I wolf in a non mash (or 3p which you should know from the 18er SK game :p)

[Raskolnikov]

I think if you try and read the post in a mindset where I'm town it all makes sense.

I prefer a hollokatt wagon, I've been trying to push for it all day.

Hollowkatt has no votes other than mine when I come back into the game during eod

I vote the next best wagon imo that still has votes, which is raskolnikov

Ladd and newcomb pull ahead, I say target newcomb with sorcerer because its very likely that.he will pick a good target if he's town, and if not, we don't really have anything huge to lose since it'll be a 1 for 1 trade. Yes in the heat of the moment I wrote that even ladd was an alright target because yes I still preferred you despite not having written an elaborate case. I hate being on vanity wagons and not making a choice at eods so I changed my vote, I would've voted ladd and honestly could have but I... just didn't?, can't say dxactly why but probably because I thought you were a realistic yoink til the last moment

acknowledged. it's one of these things that can't be settled on their own, because nothing that you can tell me about it will clear you, nor incrimate you definatly; but you and Monty need to be discussed

[Raskolnikov]

I said you tbh and more than once.. and until you/hk flip I'm gonna say don't give me shit for it lol

Saying I was saving ladd is just an exaggeration though, but with seconds left of the day and snap decisions its easy in hindsight to say "you did wrong" hk>rask>ladd>newcomb and I still stand by it and always have so the picture you're trying to paint isn't really an existing one

I am not trying to paint anything. I am debating about two slots and putting it out. Put yourslef in my shoes for 2 minutes. I am town and I have Dobby who voted me for raisins 2 min prior to EOD when he was missing beforehand, and Monty unvoting the wolf on the buzzer. Do you want me to just shrug it? I can't really

[Raskolnikov]

Also I don't think I've ever voted against a teammate as wolf in a situation like that. The person is basically doomed so there less than 0 reasons to try and "save" ladd there. I'm smarter tha that as a wolf, especially if I want to go deep, and I usually do if I wolf in a non mash (or 3p which you should know from the 18er SK game :p)

your words (don't think we played together already?). But I don't think ladd's slot was doomed. He had been discussed sure, but not seriously and not as a day long subject. Hell he had no votes a few minutes before EOD.

[Dobby]

your words (don't think we played together already?). But I don't think ladd's slot was doomed. He had been discussed sure, but not seriously and not as a day long subject. Hell he had no votes a few minutes before EOD.

I mean a few minutes before eod I wasn't there, so in my perspective he was a legit wagon from start iirc :p


Also re aying together: maybe I'm misremembering. I was sk in a game where I killed a wolf d2 and then knew the last wolf but tried to play the situation in f4 and not kill the last wolk(?) But got shot by the last wolf cuz I got too cocky

[Dobby]

I am not trying to paint anything. I am debating about two slots and putting it out. Put yourslef in my shoes for 2 minutes. I am town and I have Dobby who voted me for raisins 2 min prior to EOD when he was missing beforehand, and Monty unvoting the wolf on the buzzer. Do you want me to just shrug it? I can't really

True, I'm getting a bit too caught up in this. It just kinda feels like an omgus when hk wrote a long post with made up stuff (that I legit refute and nullify or whatever the word is) in my answer to him, its basically statements that are straight up incorrect, and get a "good post" from zack, and then you say "I'm just gonna trust em". Like, how do I put my brain in a world where are 3 are town? I don't think I'd be able to even if i got it physically planted somewhere

And yeah monty is on my agenda for the day so us cape because he's kinda flown utr.

I will say we have a really solid poe, there's always tinfoil that we can bring up, but hopefully when sunbae and zack die we have at least one more wolf dead or game is over. But just laying down flat and saying "yeah I'm just town but I need to die if you can't see it" is not a thing that's going to happen either.

Also sunbae is literally in my head with each of their posts so that should amount to something lol

[Dobby]

I mean a few minutes before eod I wasn't there, so in my perspective he was a legit wagon from start iirc :p


Also re aying together: maybe I'm misremembering. I was sk in a game where I killed a wolf d2 and then knew the last wolf but tried to play the situation in f4 and not kill the last wolk(?) But got shot by the last wolf cuz I got too cocky

Actusllt you prolly played in a game I hosted around that time (funky phases or smth) and not this one

[Raskolnikov]

Actusllt you prolly played in a game I hosted around that time (funky phases or smth) and not this one

yeah I played the invitationnal where all players D1ed wolf!Boquise

[Dobby]

yeah I played the invitationnal where all players D1ed wolf!Boquise

Rekt

[hollowkatt]

I feel some kind of way about Raskol talking about me but not to me. @Dobby I saw your responses I'll have some answers later after work settles down.

[Raskolnikov]

True, I'm getting a bit too caught up in this. It just kinda feels like an omgus when hk wrote a long post with made up stuff (that I legit refute and nullify or whatever the word is) in my answer to him, its basically statements that are straight up incorrect, and get a "good post" from zack, and then you say "I'm just gonna trust em". Like, how do I put my brain in a world where are 3 are town? I don't think I'd be able to even if i got it physically planted somewhere

And yeah monty is on my agenda for the day so us cape because he's kinda flown utr.

I will say we have a really solid poe, there's always tinfoil that we can bring up, but hopefully when sunbae and zack die we have at least one more wolf dead or game is over. But just laying down flat and saying "yeah I'm just town but I need to die if you can't see it" is not a thing that's going to happen either.

Also sunbae is literally in my head with each of their posts so that should amount to something lol

my comment was a joke because we have the same reads kinda and I keep nodding at zack's posts smh. (but rejoice, this game is pretty much filled with pros. we'll win it no matter what :p)

[Raskolnikov]

I feel some kind of way about Raskol talking about me but not to me. @Dobby I saw your responses I'll have some answers later after work settles down.

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