Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[hollowkatt]

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I understand that timezones are a thing you absolute brussels sprout :D
Even then I expected at some point you'd drop a ping with some questions. I'm not used to you not trying to directly solve me

[Raskolnikov]

also Dobby I will try not to read into you not replying to the important stuff (Ladd's slot wasn't doomed) but to the other stuff instead (if we played together). maybe

[Raskolnikov]

I understand that timezones are a thing you absolute brussels sprout :D
Even then I expected at some point you'd drop a ping with some questions. I'm not used to you not trying to directly solve me

:D

what is the purpose of this post? (outside the excellent punchline, which I thank you for)
Are you tinfoiling my slot, for real?

[Raskolnikov]

:D

what is the purpose of this post? (outside the excellent punchline, which I thank you for)
Are you tinfoiling my slot, for real?

I mean, not rested after provoking the explosion of my partner, I go on and bus another one instead of say, just lunching Cuth for funsies (after he unvoted me)?

I am sorry we couldn't chat more aorn, but there is time still :)

[hollowkatt]

:D

what is the purpose of this post? (outside the excellent punchline, which I thank you for)
Are you tinfoiling my slot, for real?

you're welcome ;-)
your posting has been townie, just missing the real time interactions/probing questions you typically have for me.

[Dobby]

also Dobby I will try not to read into you not replying to the important stuff (Ladd's slot wasn't doomed) but to the other stuff instead (if we played together). maybe

I kinda did answer that tbh but let's try again

I still... came back to thread like 5, max 10 mins before eod (I might be misremembering) and yeah calling it doomed isn't fully accurate, it was between them qnd you I guess when I joined, but I wasn't sure about vc and it was all very very stressed when i opened the game again after being absent most of the evening (despite saying I wouldn't be back, which I guess would've looked better for me, if optics would matter ;) )

[Raskolnikov]

you're welcome ;-)
your posting has been townie, just missing the real time interactions/probing questions you typically have for me.

Sure, did you have a look at newcomb or katze?

[hollowkatt]

Sure, did you have a look at newcomb or katze?

Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
I think they're just town.

Newcomb otoh is playing like a wolf. I can't point to anything and yell "smoking gun post here" but overall the tone of their game is very much a "defensive/pocketing" type of tone. Like there's a lot of posts in their ISO that are just aimed at specific people. I find myself wanting to town read newcomb based off of some of them, but sitting back and really looking at them I struggle to justify that feeling.

[Raskolnikov]

idk i townlean him aorn



think this post expressing concerns on sleep without throwing in the essentially "why me" post from sleep is >rand villagery

ive read and digested the sleep wallpost and sure i can play ball with it for now

vote: Cape90





no gold trophies? p weaksauce, broski

I am reading Newcomb and found these incidentally.
I really need to do katze afterward to see how that newcomb read has evolved (and been applied or not)

[Raskolnikov]

idk i townlean him aorn



think this post expressing concerns on sleep without throwing in the essentially "why me" post from sleep is >rand villagery

Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
I think they're just town.

Newcomb otoh is playing like a wolf. I can't point to anything and yell "smoking gun post here" but overall the tone of their game is very much a "defensive/pocketing" type of tone. Like there's a lot of posts in their ISO that are just aimed at specific people. I find myself wanting to town read newcomb based off of some of them, but sitting back and really looking at them I struggle to justify that feeling.

oh very much appreciated! I keep flipfloping on katze's slot so that's good info. still on Newcomb's ISO

[Raskolnikov]

I've skimmed ahead enough to know that people jump on this so I probably don't need to do anything here I'd imagine? I'll just hold all cape thoughts until I fully catch up.

What's cape's overall experience level?

This is a post I have a pb with for instance. Like the fact people may go after Monty for straight up talking about the mechs opening the game isn't a good reason not to if you are actually bothered by it. seems a weird line of thinking, like I am not sure Newcomb was interested, even if the post implies it.

[Sleep]

Would his slot need to try?

(this re: neb/ben)

i dont think need is the right question, wolves dont need to do anything but my guess is that as a wolf he be doing tings to try to push villagers more

[Sleep]

and the chainsaw defense from ladd just rings my alarm bells

it was a weird, weak reason that he kept bringing up to defend him, and he also tried to share me for voting Monty and made a post saying "one of your villa tells is when you defend lhf like Monty"

thing is he did the same thing with cape and im kind of coming around to cape being v, he cant have been chainsaw defending everyone because theres not enough wolves for that

i havent really had a problem with his posts today but i havent been assured of their towniness

[Raskolnikov]

It's not "never interact with people you wolfread you," that would be silly. It's that I don't find it productive to talk to people who wolfread me, or people I wolfread, about that read.

Like what actual good do you think it's gonna do to try to argue about this specific issue if we happen to be v/v? It would be like that meme of spider man pointing at himself.

My wolfread on you is based on a) me noticing that you were talking about me in a way that looked performative vs. having a specific read or one that seemed inquisitive. I.e. just kind of waving your hand around and going "hey guys newcomb looks wolfy" type posts. And then b) me being generally on the lookout for a wolf to try this kind of thing with me - poking at/around me specifically to get townread. Your treatment of me matched both my loose range of people who might try this, and the lack of depth in the approach to it matched my conception of the commitment someone might have to that kind of play D1.

The problem is, what are you going to say to that that's going to be productive in addressing that? "Nah bro that's not what I'd do as a wolf."? We're not arguing about the base facts of what you did, we'd be arguing about subjective interpretations about it, and what use would that be? You're biased.

And you could pretty much flip everything I just said around for you wolfreading me.

If you want my read on you to evolve and change, just play the game, show me you're invested in it, show me your thought process. If you want to find common ground with me specifically, talk to me about literally anything other than your alignment or mine.

Here, I'll start: right now what I'm considering a pivot point this game is cape vs. sleep. Going through the possible worlds where they're v/v, v/w, w/v, and w/w, what do you think the game looks like in those worlds, does anything really important stand out? Do you think any of those configurations are wildly unlikely?

how bad would it be if I call both katze/newcomb town?

[Dobby]

Every time I try to reevaluate stuff (as in the towncored slots in any other game I play) I get accused of widening the poe so here goes, I'm widening the poe


Note that I have not paid much attention to interactions between other players, but I've focused on other stuff that I've talked about, playing it weird like a classic dobby

So not gonna touch zack and sunbae (love u both)

I've been saying cuth is one of my strongest townreads, that's also made me just put him as town and barely read anything else he has written nor what people have written about him. If I give one person out of 17 a freebie, that person is usually wolf.

Benneh has also been my absolute top town because he's just played really fucking well and prolly qlso cuz he's the one person that I feel like plays closest by far to my own way of regarding stuff and just putting it forward in a slick way, all of d1 was like aaaa yes this is what I meant but worded badly. But he's also a superpro at amogus and shits on me every game so I should maybe not just hand out a freebie just like that

Newcomb has been, uh, I still really want him to get a bomb. It should just make sense for more ppl than me. Its still viable that the wagons were w/w d1 tbh, but also, if he's town he can just.. I think he'll use it really well? And I don't think we should go too far into the game without yoinking him tbh maybe. My read on him isn't very well developed but that's cuz I was too caught up in the katze read on him yesterday.

Katze is another weh for me. I didn't like how she pushed newcomb but like the last (?) wall kat posted had some sentences that stood out as woah (smth smth I don't fear you and I would do it anyway) paraphrased. I qlso strongly disagree with hk's read that he justed posted, kat is more well nuanced especially as wolf than what hk gives cred for in his recent post (and I kinda hated that post for several reasons but it might be cuz of my hk tunnel but weh.)

Rask I wouldn't give that much cred for bussing/not bussing stuff but I need to actually read the posts from day start til bombing because I straight up haven't I just joined like just after that.

Oh and still me and csargo were on hk yesterday, hk was on csargo. Today hk and I cross vote, weh.

Monty is still a blindspot, that's on me, cape has looked weh more than once but I just haven't focused on him at all, also on me to change tbh

Ender I had a dum top post read on and I gave him cred because I thought hk was wolf, but other than that I've kinda just forgotten a lot about him and need to look back.

Sleep handled my push on him really really well and came out with a "We don't think similarly at all but yeah this person plays in a toeny way and is legit trying to solve even though its not like me"

I think that's all unless I forgot a partner or something

If i had to guess I'd tier stuff, easy solve is in the less "visible" players hk/monty/ender

But I really dont think its that ez and theres a wolf in kat/benneh/newcomb

I don't know which group i want to place rask in


Did I blow open the poe well enough?

[Sleep]

yeah, regardless of whether or not I've got it close to right, this has been a really fun game. I forgot how enjoyable and stress free werewolf can be when you just have a chill playerlist that's trying to figure things out. Glad to hear others are enjoying themselves too. My games here are always fun and I should try to cut back on the high volume mu games and replace them with some more games here if people are game.

its been a very enjoyable and reasonably paced game

[Dobby]

Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
I think they're just town.

Newcomb otoh is playing like a wolf. I can't point to anything and yell "smoking gun post here" but overall the tone of their game is very much a "defensive/pocketing" type of tone. Like there's a lot of posts in their ISO that are just aimed at specific people. I find myself wanting to town read newcomb based off of some of them, but sitting back and really looking at them I struggle to justify that feeling.

Aaaaaaaaa i really dont like this post and i disagree with it do bsd


But qfter writing that wall my gut is yelling st me to vote cspe

[Cape90]

been feeling a bit groggy and unproductive last night

I think a good play is voting me off, mostly because I am confident in my townreads, but I also feel like I am pretty spewed town from the 2 mafia that flipped, but in that regard I am sure wolves made sure buddies looked good too

[Cape90]

Yeah. Katze is just town for me. Like in their wolf games there is generally this underlying tone of "I am full of shit with everything I say so here's a lot of jokes, self-votes, and depreciating humor and a handfull of posts that attempt to be solvy" and here basically none of that exists.
I say that in the kindest possible way, not that katze is a full of shit player.

This game katze has been really straightforward with how they're approaching things. Possibly the most straightforward game I've seen them play. There's none of the fiddly bits I have come to associate with a katze wolf game.
I think they're just town.

I see where this meta read is coming from

especially since in that one hydra game that me and you played as town vs katze mafia, katze was very jokey

I don't think I wanna discount katze as much as others

[Cape90]

I just realized Monty also yolo voted me D1. everybody did lmao. Guess I should work on my way of playing. haha

Why are you just saying this now?

[hollowkatt]

Aaaaaaaaa i really dont like this post and i disagree with it do bsd


But qfter writing that wall my gut is yelling st me to vote cspe

so lets dialog? Yes I'm voting for you but if we can talk about things like this instead of "you case me I case you" I think both of us can come to a better understanding of each others alignments.

What don't you like about that post? Do you feel like I'm missing something? Do you feel like I'm being too vague and nebulous? what's up, lets chat

[Cape90]

1) irl day 2, second half of d1 of that helps.

2) cool ty for doing that. It takes a lot for me to ever be top posting and even if im in thread q full day I'm not st the top

3) my read on monstr was based on a few things but also things I don't want/shouldn't talk about. I didn't think he'd tilt and react like that as wolf ever but obviously I was wrong.

4) associative reads or whatever it's called often turn out wrong at least for me so yeah even though j might do it at some point that wasn't anything I found useful to do

5) dolby tried to push me didn't he? I might be wrong about that

6) the "I didn't want to participate in ladd" is just wrong. I had sus on him throughout but I preferred you/rask at eod which I was very clear about. When I saw the wagons last minute after the shifts I was pretty clear about preferring ladd over newcom. I did suggest newcomb get the bomb because of his potential to be town and if so he'd be the best one to have the bomb. I don't think that reasoning was weird but apparently it was. And saying I don't prefer ladd/newcomb to you isn't weird when I still find it likelier for you to be wolf than the rest of the playerlist. Can't know if I'm wrong til you die, right? :)

Re reevaluations - I'm trying to actually take things that show up in consideration and have changed my reads based on that, for example on sleep that I pushed really hard early on and then got pretty convinced that he's town.

7) I wrote about your push on... I think it was ender, cba looking up, and how it didn't make sense, don't believe you've explained that part and it's one of the main reasons I still have my doubts on you.

8) saying I'm lost this game is extremely exaggerated just because I'm pushing you and was wrong on monstr. You're not helping me change my mind tbh

9) omgus? :p would you sus me if I didn't push you?

A fair bit of what you wrote there is straight up wrong or intentional misinterpretations of what I wrote and yeah it doesn't help in finding you town at all.

"but Cape is dismissive of cases on them"

[Dobby]

been feeling a bit groggy and unproductive last night

I think a good play is voting me off, mostly because I am confident in my townreads, but I also feel like I am pretty spewed town from the 2 mafia that flipped, but in that regard I am sure wolves made sure buddies looked good too

Reql talk nobody ever looks into the reads of dead ppl so if ur town you should fite for it and never just say kil me

[Cape90]

Imagine subbing into a game and voting your partner

you realize that was at the start of the day right?

[hollowkatt]

I see where this meta read is coming from

especially since in that one hydra game that me and you played as town vs katze mafia, katze was very jokey

I don't think I wanna discount katze as much as others

was jokey there, was jokey (I thought) in finals, bastard mash (though caveat it's a mash and it's bastard but tonally it's similar). Obvs it's not a hard clear but it's a read I'm comfortable making and sticking with.

[Cape90]

man... 1604 says nothing

I have a feeling mafia is Mont this game. Too many things keep piling up

Vote: Montmorency

[Raskolnikov]

I think we need to start talking about consolidating.

Who's actually likely to go over today?

1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
4. Ladd
5. Winston Hughes
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13. monstrbro
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Zack no, bennah... probably not though I can't off the top of my head recall anyone strongly reading bennah one way or another.

Cuth, probably not, some strong voices townread.

Ladd... interesting but I don't realistically think that's ever happening D1 here.

Winston... could see this being a LHF compromise type thing I guess? Possible.

Rask, possible

Me, not happening

Csargo, maaaaybe but kind of a long shot IMO

Ender, maybe

Sunbae, probably not happening

Monte, sure

Dobby, jury's out, see how people react to the catchup. I tend to think not.

Monster, uhhhh yeah moving on

Katz, probably not happening

Sleep, would probably be the spiciest D1 lynch that's actually on the table.

Cape, not actually sure. Can't recall what thread sentiment is on this guy.

HK, outside shot maybe

That leaves us with what, Winston/Rask/Monte as the "taking the easy way out" type options, with Monte being like the pure shot in the dark. and the two C names, Ender, and outside shot of Sleep/HK as the more information heavy but harder kills?

Does that roughly match other people's takes on thread sentiment? Open question. Feels like it's about time to get the ball rolling though.

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[Raskolnikov]

oh lol. posts to ketchup

but really that one from Newcomb is bad (openly gauging the thread about the incoming yeet is a great intro to manipulating it)

[Cape90]

I think the team could simply be mont/dobby

[Dobby]

so lets dialog? Yes I'm voting for you but if we can talk about things like this instead of "you case me I case you" I think both of us can come to a better understanding of each others alignments.

What don't you like about that post? Do you feel like I'm missing something? Do you feel like I'm being too vague and nebulous? what's up, lets chat

Imma drive home from work but lettuce yes

I wrote about it in my wall just now but I just don't sgree with the read on kat, the "meta" stuff, kat is rxtreeeemely competent, maybe especially as wolf and that read is playing down her skills way too much even though you're saying it is with respect which I agree you're doing. I just don't see her being as polarized as you describe there.

And that you make it some kind of duality (I think that's the word) where you start off the sentence about newcomb with "on the other hand", it just feels... staged.

Fwiw I did appreciate your post answering my "find good stuff about me", or, the segment with that rather, but I would've preferred seeing like, more uh idk how to describe it. I would've liked to see some kind of yes I really want to see if I'm being tunneled/wrong and if actually the things people have said look good for dobby actually do"

Because that would be the first thing I'd do if I would make a list like that about you, I'd want to see why the people who are saying you look good, do so