Futuramafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

You've read quite a bit of online mafia, though, right?

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Are you trying to convince him he could be a mastermind scum or what?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

You've read quite a bit of online mafia, though, right?

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I think I have read 5-10 games, mostly on RB.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

I think I have read 5-10 games, mostly on RB.

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Where else?

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

Are you trying to convince him he could be a mastermind scum or what?

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Turns out he was pretty damned fine as scum in his game at RB.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Where else?

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I have read the opening stages of the first hydra game run on MU as well as the championship game there.

Why do you think I'm scum?

Why is everyone letting jht get away with lurking his way through this game?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

No result tells me I was roleblocked.

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Are you sure? Maybe the person is not trackable or didn't do anything.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

That means any other town power in this game should have been able to perform their actions last night. Unsure if we have any left.

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I am pretty sure there is. If only for metagaming reasons, as having too many dead confirmed townies who can still post would be problematic. Of course, this is the perspective of a robot.

Expect the Killbots, Robot Santa and/or the Robot Mafia to be around.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Why do you think I'm scum?

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You claim to be clueless and don't vote for jht as is your default mode. Something's wrong here. You meatbags are up to something.

I would have specifically gotten a result of the person not having visited anyone if they didn't go anywhere.

I didn't exclude the possibility that choxorn is just immune to my power, but if that were the case, it's just as incriminating as having been found to go somewhere.

It's actually worse because having gone somewhere can lead to a believable claim of a town power role. No result kind of powers are pretty much only just scum roles, and terrible ones at that because it's a dead giveaway.

Zack wouldn't write such a role, imo.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

You claim to be clueless and don't vote for jht as is your default mode. Something's wrong here. You meatbags are up to something.

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Who you calling meatbag, beardy?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I didn't exclude the possibility that choxorn is just immune to my power, but if that were the case, it's just as incriminating as having been found to go somewhere.

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Why's that?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Why's that?

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Town roles are typically found going somewhere or going nowhere. They don't return a 'no result' result unless they aren't town.

At the same time, there's gotta be a mafia roleblocker in the game. That explains that result in almost every scenario.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Town roles are typically found going somewhere or going nowhere. They don't return a 'no result' result unless they aren't town.

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Eh? No, I'm not following this.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Eh? No, I'm not following this.

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I'm at a loss for what you're not understanding.

If there's something other than a roleblock on you that could cause a scum to return no result, why couldn't there be something that could cause a town to return no result?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

If there's something other than a roleblock on you that could cause a scum to return no result, why couldn't there be something that could cause a town to return no result?

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I've never seen a villager have such a role. That would be like a miller, except for a tracker.

Town doesn't need such a role, it's anti-town and we have enough on our hands.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I've never seen a villager have such a role. That would be like a miller, except for a tracker.

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You can't think of any other possible explanations?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Why do you think I'm scum?

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Dislike your cases and where you have ended up on the lynches.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

You can't think of any other possible explanations?

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If it's not me being the target of the block, GH's power, if he was targeting choxorn? I would have still written it as choxorn didn't go anywhere if I were hosting it.

I can't rule it out.

It's unlikely that Dp101 is scum, but nowhere near impossible.

He's very cool, very smart, and considerably more confident than he gives away.

If he is scum here, though, he has raised his game a lot compared to the first one.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I would have specifically gotten a result of the person not having visited anyone if they didn't go anywhere.

I didn't exclude the possibility that choxorn is just immune to my power, but if that were the case, it's just as incriminating as having been found to go somewhere.

It's actually worse because having gone somewhere can lead to a believable claim of a town power role. No result kind of powers are pretty much only just scum roles, and terrible ones at that because it's a dead giveaway.

Zack wouldn't write such a role, imo.

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‘Zack wouldn't’? Your logic circuits are malfunctioning. The rest of it stands. OK, you've either tracked an untraceable person or been roleblocked. Is there anyone who's been roleblocked and actually received a message stating so?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Who you calling meatbag, beardy?

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waddafuck, you organic slimeball? Come here where I can punch you!

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

If it's not me being the target of the block, GH's power, if he was targeting choxorn? I would have still written it as choxorn didn't go anywhere if I were hosting it.

I can't rule it out.

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Guess we're going to have to wait and see what GH and chox have to say for themselves.

I do have an angle here, btw, though to my knowledge I had nothing to do with the situation in question.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Dislike your cases and where you have ended up on the lynches.

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Can you be more specific?

Winston Hughes, you vixen.

Are you getting turned on, pizzaboy?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Are you getting turned on, pizzaboy?

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I only have eyes for Amy, I'm afraid.

Oh come on, we all know humans have needs.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Oh come on, we all know humans have needs.

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What do I look like, some kind of robo-sexual?

Not that there's anything wong with that.

How d'you know? The Wongs have made a lotta investments over the years. Classic meatbag way of thinking.

Nothing has made me change my mind. Lynch Pelican.

Unaltered role PM below spoiler.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alright, here's the battle plan: We shoot, they surrender, we go aboard, somebody does some clamping, then we heist the cigars and go home.


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Donbot

Player: GeneralHankerchief

Role: Donbot (https://theinfosphere.org/Donbot)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Make 'em sweat (Jailkeeper). At night, throw another player in a dark room with no exit. They cannot carry out a night action, nor can they be killed.


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If you have any questions, ask me privately.

:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Can you be more specific?

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Your lynch positions are generally where I would expect mafia to end up. I will elaborate more when I get on a laptop. Your cases don't feel that definite or well defined, but I can understand having trouble making them so I will let it slide for now.

Oh, also, I want to frame that post of pure praise you directed towards me. I still don't know why you think I'm confident, but thanks for the endorsement.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Your lynch positions are generally where I would expect mafia to end up. I will elaborate more when I get on a laptop. Your cases don't feel that definite or well defined, but I can understand having trouble making them so I will let it slide for now.

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Yeah, I'm not letting it slide.

Feels like I've been around the top of your scum pile for some time - and last night you were all about setting me up for today's lynch if Stork came back town - but you've never made any real attempt to push me.

Have you targeted me, GH?

Vote: Murska

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Yeah, I'm not letting it slide.

Feels like I've been around the top of your scum pile for some time - and last night you were all about setting me up for today's lynch if Stork came back town - but you've never made any real attempt to push me.

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Seems fair, again, once I have a proper keyboard I will try and make a proper case that amounts to more than vague reads.

Also, you have not been on top for very long. I have had vague suspicions of you earlier, but I don't think I end up actually wanting to vote you until midway through day 3.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Have you targeted me, GH?

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I'm not disclosing anything about my actions at this time.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'm not disclosing anything about my actions at this time.

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Will there be a time when you do? Hard to prove you are indeed the roleblocker if you don't have a record of what you did. Of course you could also be mafia with pizza and came up with this in order to make his roleclaim look good, but that is probably tinfoil territory.

Hold up.

We have 4 dead town roles, one dead third party, one living claimed third party, and 2 living claimed town roles. Including the speculation on Choxorn, that would make 8 or 9 roles in a 22-player game. This is the absolute limit I am willing to countenance: 8 roles.

I don't like it, GH. Besides the superficial unease generated by your character, a jailer - roleblock/protect - is an exceedingly difficult role to demonstrate, and in a game in which the course of night actions is not written up...

I'm not voting you now only because making that claim as you did would be a terrible unsolicited move from scum.

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Riedquat, so if I have that role PM correct, you can only protect once in the game? So by now all you have left is Kleptomania? Please use it on GH tonight. GH, keep Pizza.

Yes, I have to rebuild the case on Pizza. That vote isn't flying for the moment.

Unvote: Pizza

Just a hard unvote, no secondary suspect?

I could have just voted Winston, but I'm going to look at everything again synthetically. I think much of this will ride on who your partners are might be.

I dunno why you're even bothering to remove your vote from me. This tunnel has no turns.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

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6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

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9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

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I said I'd get back to it, so:

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Day 2 initially looks like you can't get much out of it because there was only 1 major candidate, but IIRC Novice was a very close second place for much of the day leading up to deadline, but there were some last second switches that turned the vote as lopsided as it appears.

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This is true, of course. From my perspective I know it was between two villagers and Riedquat, so the mafia probably didn't really care all that much who swung. In these town on town CFD situations I think the late switchers are more likely to be townies than scummies, since the switching tends to attract scrutiny.

Well, dammit. I went back and looked at Winston's posts, and I realised that I really can't figure out why I thought he was mafia. I mean, his votes seem scummy because of the way he has avoided getting in on the big wagons unless it is someone important like Stork going down, but given that all we have lynched is town so far that accusation could be placed upon anyone. My mafia reads of him must have come before I realised that I must have been working with a bunch of mafia and changed my reads around a bit, and I must have just unconsciously kept up that same suspicion. Since I really can't come up with a better case than tone, and tone reads really aren't that critical at this stage, I think I need to go find another target. Sorry for wasting your time with accusations.

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Originally Posted by Zack

Alive: 14

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Choxorn
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
Winston Hughes

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Lynched: 3

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)
d3 - Stork - Professor Farnsworth

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Killed: 5

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan
n3 - Newyn - Linda

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Let's start with basics - a headcount:

Good

Riedquat
Montmorency

Prepared for Disappointment

GeneralH
DP101
Novice

Bad

ATPG
Winston
Cuthilius
Pelican
Murska

~:confused:

JHT
Al Sipsclar
Choxorn
Atheotes


Next, scum-team fundamentals: are there 2 or 3 left?

3 total Mafia has been the dominant assumption so far, and it's only gotten more so as the game has gone on. However, with so many roles floating around, I think a 4th (for practical purposes, 3rd) scum becomes much likelier in the setup. If we take that, then perhaps the earlier wagons make more sense - scum has had the manpower to follow a strategy of avoiding concentrations.


Next posts will be vote analysis plus team arrangements. I will speculate on what it would look like for one of the 'unknown' category to be scum.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Riedquat, so if I have that role PM correct, you can only protect once in the game? So by now all you have left is Kleptomania? Please use it on GH tonight. GH, keep Pizza.

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I don't know if it will activate again when I scan another robot or person of interest to me, but for the time being yes kleptomania is always usable and I guess if my target can kill the result will be like CrimsonFox, a threat to my survival.

ugh

i don't like either of those claims

but who else

beh

i mean given that one of the more active people is probably scum, we're left with... winston? novice?

i think winston's been towny

novice has been really average the last phase or two

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Originally Posted by Murska

As Town I'd expect the following thought process: "I think Stork is being pushed by mafia here. The counterwagon is ATPG, pushed by Towny folk." At this point there's a split - if you have time, you'll go "I'll analyze the Stork wagon to maybe find mafia there, put up a case to try and push them instead." If you're busy you'll go "I'll follow the people I think are Town on ATPG, though voice my concerns about the lack of other targets."

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Agree with this criticism of GH.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I have Riedquat as lock town (there's no way mafia!Riedquat ever, ever makes those series of posts against CrimsonFox)

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Riedquat: No way he's not town.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Specifically, he claims Neutral Survivor.

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Yeah, he's not town, he's neutral at best.

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Originally Posted by Pelican

I still think the case on Pizza is incredibly strong, so I'll go ahead and vote:Pizza again today. For the time being, this is where my focus is, and it will likely remain here until Pizza is lynched or the case is satisfactorily refuted. As it is, I don't think my primary arguments (Pizza's haphazard voting for every leading wagon on the day of BSmith's lynch and his halfhearted Choxorn vote + token analysis + misplaced piling on against Stork yesterday) have been refuted.

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You think scum is prone to haphazardly vote for every leading wagon?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

novice has been really average the last phase or two

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Is that an improvement or a turn for the worse?

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You think scum is prone to haphazardly vote for every leading wagon?

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Wasn't haphazard. For your wagon specifically, I had it pegged that the BSmith CFD was a maneuver designed to both credibly threaten you and then 'rescue' you. This would create a beneficial Stockholm effect causing you to gain a favorable perspective on Pizza's actions.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Wasn't haphazard. For your wagon specifically, I had it pegged that the BSmith CFD was a maneuver designed to both credibly threaten you and then 'rescue' you. This would create a beneficial Stockholm effect causing you to gain a favorable perspective on Pizza's actions.

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Haphazard was Pelican's choice of words, of course. Anyway, that is an interesting theory. Moreover, it's an interesting kind of theory. :)

ATPG
Winston
Cuthilius
Pelican
Murska

If you say the above people are bad, you might want to try pushing on them.

Oh, wait.

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Oh, wait.

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Correct. That's what I've been doing. Now let me finish my study.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

ATPG
Winston
Cuthilius
Pelican
Murska

If you say the above people are bad, you might want to try pushing on them.

Oh, wait.

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what are you trying to say with this post

meh

vote:novice

right now i don't feel like you want to win

you rarely discuss important parts of the game and tend towards nitpicking and calling people out on insignificant things

i think you might easily be mafia

i sheeped Pizza onto bsmith and kinda regret it more and more

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

what are you trying to say with this post

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He is probably annoyed at me withdrawing my accusations of Winston after I realised that I didn't have a case.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

He is probably annoyed at me withdrawing my accusations of Winston after I realised that I didn't have a case.

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i HIGHLY doubt it

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Originally Posted by novice

I'm not entirely up to date, but it seems pretty clear we should get a full claim from Pizza now.

Vote: Pizza

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Originally Posted by novice

No, I don't.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

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Vote: Novice

He's just skating by and trying to blend in with the bandwagon on Pizza, he doesn't even seem to think it's a good vote.

Hardclaim: Mason, Newyn was my partner

Here's my role PM:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Windmills do not work that way! Goodnight!


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Morbo

Player: Choxorn

Role: Morbo (https://theinfosphere.org/Morbo)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Channel v2 News (Mason). You know the identity of your co-host Newyn (Linda) and that he is a member of the Town.

We both dropped a minor hint that we knew the other was town:

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Originally Posted by Newyn

This guy is lock town. Trust me.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

What makes you say that? Newyn seems to me like inactive lazy town, kind of like I am.

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Mmmmkay, that's a credible-ish claim and also in character. Can you do the voice?

I like the claim too, seems to have a good amount of background info to back it up.

I called it though somewhat obscurely by asking a direct question of Newyn. Did either of you pick up on that?

Sorry I have been rather mute. Work is hectic and I have hd barely enough time to keep up with the thread. I sadly don't have any strong leads, but would favor a pizza lynch.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Vote: Novice

He's just skating by and trying to blend in with the bandwagon on Pizza, he doesn't even seem to think it's a good vote.

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I don't, which is why I'm not voting for him.

Official Tally

3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, novice)

2 novice (Cuth, Choxorn)

1 Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 Murska (ATPG)

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5 Not Voting: Dp101, GH, Monty, Riedquat, Winston

2 Not Posting: Al Sips, JHT

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Voting ends in:

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

meh

vote:novice

right now i don't feel like you want to win

you rarely discuss important parts of the game and tend towards nitpicking and calling people out on insignificant things

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Examples? Which important things would you like me to discuss?

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Originally Posted by novice

I don't, which is why I'm not voting for him.

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Wait, Choxorn you quoted my GH vote also, so you know this. So what are you doing?
My Pizza vote was just a claim request, as I already explained.

I point my shiny metal finger of suspicion at Cuthillius!

He is… Egyptian!?

What do you think of the mason claim?

Directed at Novice if it wasn't obvious.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

I called it though somewhat obscurely by asking a direct question of Newyn. Did either of you pick up on that?

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I didn't notice. Not sure about Newyn, we weren't given a way to privately communicate.

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Originally Posted by novice

Wait, Choxorn you quoted my GH vote also, so you know this. So what are you doing?
My Pizza vote was just a claim request, as I already explained.

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My point is I think that voting Pizza there even though you don't think he's a good lynch and don't think is scummy is scummy for you and you just seem fishy as hell today.

There were already a bunch of votes and suspicion on Pizza. You jumping onto the pile was irrelevant, but I think you wanted to make it look like you were helping out and trying to get Pizza to claim.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

what are you trying to say with this post

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I'm trying to say that Monty says those people are bad, and I agree on two of them, but I'm finding him quite hesitant to even push in that direction. He has one speed all game, and that speed is pizza is scum, even when he's not voting for me.

I'd like to see some evidence of his claim that he even finds anyone else scummy right now.

Vote: Novice

I'm home from school and sick today. I'll be popping in and out. I'm not doing any mega-analyses however.

PS stuff from 2 or 3 days ago isn't going to cut it.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

OK, fine, I got that one wrong.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

I didn't notice. Not sure about Newyn, we weren't given a way to privately communicate.



My point is I think that voting Pizza there even though you don't think he's a good lynch and don't think is scummy is scummy for you and you just seem fishy as hell today.

There were already a bunch of votes and suspicion on Pizza. You jumping onto the pile was irrelevant, but I think you wanted to make it look like you were helping out and trying to get Pizza to claim.

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There were zero votes on Pizza. I was just asking for his claim so we could get on with the day.

First quote was included by accident.