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Let's operate under a couple of assumptions here.
Assumption One: I am who I claim to be, a town-aligned Jailkeeper.
Assumption Two: I am a somewhat competent Mafia player on occasion.
Operating under the premise the the above two assumptions are true, let us further speculate on why I have not disclosed my actions to this point. It could be because I was softly trying to influence the town's direction in favor of, or away from, a particular lynch target, while still trying to preserve my anonymity. It could be because I was breadcrumbing my role in a long-term effort to first set up my role and then drop the hammer when I finally had information of worth to reveal. It could be because I have no information of value from the actions I've taken so far. It could be because I'm waiting for more people to chime in on the issue first. It could be because I believe the mafia, as it currently stands, will be better served to adapt and react to the information disclosed than town.
Three of the five possible scenarios are correct here.
Also atheotes has been garbage this entire last day. "GH claimed because somebody he believes to be town asked him to and doesn't have anything to back it up, HE'S CLEARLY SCUM"
Yeah, what Novice said. If you reveal your actions you are more cleared because mafia would have to make up night actions that could conflict with town actions and could be caught out. Plus any town power roles still alive can get closure on the results of their actions.
Here's my shot at rationally explaining why claiming your actions would help Town.
1: It doesn't help the Mafia in any way. Knowing who you've targeted tells them nothing useful.
2: It may, may possibly let Town find some sort of corroborating evidence on your claim, as thus far you just look like mafia who's fakeclaimed out of desperation.
We're not questioning your competence, GH, just your credibility. Even if all your scenarios are correct, they don't rebut the points I made in favour of you claiming your actions. Your anonymity is no longer preserved, after all.
I want more people to chime in on this issue.
Claim your targets.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Vote: atheotes
the fact that you've claimed JK removes almost all of the point of not claiming results
@Montmorency @PelicanQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
Yeah, you found a bug. Should work now, try reinstalling the script by clicking this link:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...%20v12.user.js
If that doesn't fix it try first uninstalling the script from the TamperMonkey dashboard and then reinstalling it.
@ GH
Tally management over the next few hours will be important due to absentees. EOD is also at 4am Norway time, so I'm not gonna be here and it's possible novice can't be, either. The lack of vote movement and lack of reaction factor is a serious danger here. How do you want to play it?
Are you unwilling to go onto any of the people I've suggested?
I won't be able to access the forums except for a 20-minute period starting about an hour now, and then about an hour away from EoD. By all means, dump your suggestions on how to play it and I'll take them into account when I can get back on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I want to lynch Murska as my top priority today.
I am willing to lynch Cuthillius.
Novice is an awesome addition to this board, but I didn't see him actually do anything with the software trick he pulled out of his magic bag. I would lynch him because of that.
If none of those are acceptable, I will lynch atheotes with you. But I think we have a greater chance of getting the necessary votes on the others.
Well, Novice is my main competitor in the votes right now, so I'll probably be on him EoD if an atheotes counterwagon doesn't materialize.
I'm about to settle in for the night with my wife, however I can be back here just before bed to change my vote if need be. That's not a ton of time.
Note that a bunch of the people I think are town are completely unwilling to even vote together. That's why I'm about to start cutting deals.
FTR Al Sipsclar going nowhere doesn't fully clear him, and the pass I gave him for not seeing him go anywhere is temporary and should be highly mitigated by the fact that the best counter to my role is a ninja or a godfather type role. Or simply a scum who didn't go anywhere.
I'm only holding on to him as a mild town read because it's the only piece of viable info I even have remaining. If people think he's scum they should push him regardless.
Compromise on my end:
If I'm in the lead for the lynch, or if the outcome is in doubt, I will reveal my actions with one minute before EoD.
If I survive the lynch, I will reveal my actions one minute (or close enough) before the end of the night phase.
@ novice
Would you follow through with your claimed suspicions and lynch Al Sipsclar today?
It's a workable compromise, but why should I have to compromise? Why are you against a GH lynch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Is Monty one of your town reads?
Thanks. You know how it is, or maybe you don't, making the tools is more fun than using them. I'll dig deeper at some point, hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Apparently you would not lynch me, for other reasons, since you're negotiating?
Speaking of disappointing hunting, it's too bad that Monty couldn't come to any clearer conclusions. Maybe he can use the information. And I know you asked for a list of vote changes, too.
Vote: Al Sipsclar as a show of good faith.
I'll be up for another hour or two but not until deadline.
I'll need some convincing to not switch back to GH.
Tally as of post 2103:
Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, Dp101)
3 votes: novice (Cuthillius, Choxorn, Askthepizzaguy)
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Montmorency)
1 votes: atheotes (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (novice)
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
You're on a different timezone! Meatbags need shut-eye!Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Why don't you check what those spikes in activity answer to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
As a robot, I cannot but help put on a very metallic voice and say ‘EXPLAIN! EXPLAIN!’Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I'm against the GH lynch because I believe a jailkeeper fits into the setup with a tracker and vig and masons. If Reidquat can snag his jailkeeper powers, that's even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
I also read the tea leaves. It seems that every person I suspect is dead set against doing anything productive today and instead preferred to hold GH and I hostage over the claims, which is fine, but they utterly refuse to use the time to question anyone else, including the people they suspect. And that's beyond lazy. It's scummy. It's scummy and I intend to lynch each person who did it. Period.
If you bother to vote with me, you're betting that I'm correct about Murska and Cuth, and the game ends before I get to you, but I'll be dead before that happens anyway.
That's why all this stalling I see from people is markedly more and more scummy. I will be unable to voice my objections to this later, so I'm going on record right now. The persons in question, GH and myself, will be resolved shortly, yet it's just being used as an excuse to do no work.
Your reluctance to help me on any of my suspects only makes it worse. But that's not my only issue with you.
Again, you made your rainbow posts and you used your vote collector, but you didn't do anything with either one. You didn't show your work, anyway. You arrived at a list of suspects I largely disagree with and for no explanation arbitrarily put one of them on your most suspected part of your unwilling to lynch list, today, which to me is a crucial round of the game.
If you claim to find Al Sips a suspect but make no effort to push there, I find that to be distancing, not real suspicion. Especially since no one else is really pushing him as a suspect. That just reads to be to be the easy to get away with safe distancing tactic.
If you're not asking your suspects any questions, if you're not asking others to vote for them, then you aren't trying to solve the game for town, you're just trying to disconnect yourself from your mafia buddies.
If that's not the case, then help me lynch Murska. Or Cuth. Or even Al, if you actually find him scummy. Why are you unwilling to push these people? You never explained why Murska is so high on your list.
If he's your suspect, why do you need to be persuaded to keep your vote on him for longer than an hour?Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
What form of convincing do you need? Opinion that GH is town plus reasons?
By your own admission Al's posts have almost no content, so there's little case to be made beyond that and his vote record. Why is that insufficient?
If you're looking for someone else to make a case on your suspect, it's not going to happen on the .org in 1 hour.
Level with me. What is the vote supposed to prove? It just looks like it is for show to me.
Nobody ever explained why I am where I am on their lists.
I really don't think GH is going to be able to convince me he's not scum at this point, and since the EoD is at like five in the morning and I'm definitely not going to be around, I don't really want to switch my vote around to less scummy people.
Al is a default lynch. I'd need convincing that GH is a bad lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Murska is high on my town list because of mindmeld.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Your organic brain is not working properly. Well, they never do, technically, 'cos they're organic, but you know what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
I don't think either of you are actually persuadable because one or both of you are scum.
I am probably wasting what little time I have remaining on this.
My vote on novice stands at this point. I've seen all I need to see.
Pizzabot! Read my post #2105, you can read up on that during the night phase and produce a textwall.
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
So you're saying that it's fine to hold GH hostage but not to lynch him? I mean, people can be scummily lazy, but they can't all be scum. Isn't resolving GH's role good for town in this situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
My method is largely staring at the rainbow until a suspect list holistically appears. You mean Cuthilius was arbitrarily on the "not really willing to lynch" list? I had to draw the line somewhere. I mean, I had ten others on the same list. Convince me on Cuthilius then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
But I agree, it's a crucial round, and postponing the GH situation feels dangerous.
This is just me whining, but a) your description is not accurate, and b) why do you hold me to a higher standard than the rest of the lazy scum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Okay then. Vote: GeneralHankerchiefQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Whoever was asking about my thoughts on the game a few pages back, I've got nothing. Just had a death in the family on top of starting a new job means keeping up with a game with a level of activity I haven't seen in a long time has been problematic.
That was me. My deepest condolences, and thanks for replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Vote: Novice because the General has promised to reveal night actions now so he will die if mafia (hopefully) due to being caught out in a lie, and while I like Novice's criticisms of the General I dislike how he has reacted to Pizza, feels like he is not really answering the accusations that are forming Pizza's case.
Meh
I feel like GH's claim is believable from the way he's treated talking about it
I still don't like the look of novice
his interaction with pizza doesn't help, he still doesn't feel invested in what he's saying
nice xpostQuote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
novice tell me this
why does GH react the way he does to claims, and then make the promise he's made wrt revealing
do you think he's the scummiest person or is that self-pres
I'm really sorry. Won't pressure you for a couple of days, take all the time to recover you need.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
He's my best bet. Don't know the answer to your first question though. I don't like any other aspect of his claim or reaction, but that promise is towny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
Cuth, who are your suspects apart from me?
Well, I'm going to bed.
Depends on things. I have no hard suspects other than you, but we'll see what happens after potential claims resolve themselves. Right now I'm leaning town on all of the claims, but that could easily change and I think your flip would be very telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Don't have any hugely strong feelings, but there are cords and connections
i'm fine with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by novice
Novice, I warn you that I will lynch you over GH any time.
@GeneralHankerchief: You said you would reveal actions later, but from the structure of some posts it looked like you were saying that you have used your role on Atheotes, Montmorency, and Pelican. Did I misinterpret or is it that you want to reveal timing? And what are your plans on role cooperation vis-a-vis Pizza as outlined here?
@novice: Do you have any worthwhile claims regarding why the town should not lynch your organic ass?
Heh, I was actually asking about how Winston claimed to have no idea whom to vote for but wasn't voting you as is his default.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
OOC: Eurgh!
He went to bed, you won't get an answer out of him until after the lynch.
Then if he turns out to have been a vanilla townie we have yet another proven townie who can speak and help guide us. Otherwise, well, it depends.
You meatbags oughta have thought this through, know what I'm sayin'?
Yes, I do. If Novice is town and General's night actions aren't credible then I'm killing him next. My track record for sticking to such declarations is spotty, but it's the thought that counts, right?
Actually, what I meant was that killing one person every day and lettin' criminals kill one of us every night is not exactly the best way to deal with them, eh?
But what you said also works. Even robots get lucky sometimes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
CrimsonFox; Jht; Newyn/jht... claimed I found another of my kind with jht, scanned newyn last night (got a result also) and used the doctor ability on jht.... And yes, thought probable visor was Barto's killer, not sure anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Why? why why why??? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
^^This!Quote:
Originally Posted by Murska
At this point I really want to lynch Gh just out of his stubbornness :stare:
The rest of candidates are all meh to me
Vote: No Lynch for the time being...
Pah, it is obvious that the mafia killed me. They thought I was you, which is a compliment.
Actually, I don't take it as a compliment. It was extremely annoying and embarrassing.
Sucks to your technology, here's a hand-crafted tally from the heart.Quote:
Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, Dp101)
3 votes: novice (Cuthillius, Choxorn, Askthepizzaguy)
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Montmorency)
1 votes: atheotes (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (novice)
Tally
4 novice (Cuth, Choxorn, Askthepizzaguy, DP101)
3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, novice)
1 Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 Winston Hughes (Montmorency)
1 atheotes (GeneralHankerchief)
1 No Lynch (Riedquat)
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2 Not Voting: Winston, JHT
1 Not Posting: Al Sips
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I stand by GH.
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Tunnel snakes do not rule, meatbag. Robots do.
So why aren't you voting to save him, the alleged jailkeeper?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I think GH should claim, and I also think we should lynch Novice, who's a billion times scummier.
As a robot, I cannot help but like quantification andkilling all humansgood oil baths and servicing.
Good question. I want my vote to go on Winston, but if in the next two hours the situation changes then I will redeploy my vote to protect GH.Quote:
So why aren't you voting to save him, the alleged jailkeeper?
Wait! The Donbot is innocent!
Vote: novice
(no, I don't have anything clearing GH, I just want to use that quote! :square:
Official Tally as of post 2142
5 novice (Cuthillius, Choxorn, Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Al Sipsclar)
3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, novice)
1 Pizza (Pelican)
1 Winston (Montmorency)
1 atheotes (GeneralHankerchief)
1 No Lynch (Riedquat)
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2 Not Voting: JHT, Winston
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Voting ends in:
DP, GH, Al Sips, whaddaya say we turn this one onto Winston? He's a better lynch than either novice or GH.
didn't he claim mason or was that someone elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Choxorn and Newyn
I thought Winston was okay on D1. Didn't read the thread after that, though.
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
Ok, whatever... unvote; vote: Winston
Fine, Vote: Winston but if he is town then I am coming after you, and then both Novice and GH.
Come on, a couple more votes, or GH could get flash-lynched. GH, get it together.
ok, vote: Winston
In for the duration.
Vote: Winston
If Winston flips town, I think we're screwed.
Huh?Quote:
If Winston flips town, I think we're screwed.
for those of you using the plug in, note that for whatever reason it did not recognize this vote. So the real tally has Riedquat voting Winston too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Speaking of which, can we get an adjusted tally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Official Tally as of post 2157
5 Winston Hughes (Montmorency, Dp101, Riedquat Al Sipsclar, GeneralHankerchief)
3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, novice)
3 novice (Cuthillius, Choxorn, Askthepizzaguy)
1 Pizza (Pelican)
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2 Not Voting: JHT, Winston
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Voting ends in:
Heck... Vote: Winston stupid plugin can't read my superior spelling
Got my explanation queued up in case the vote tightens. At present I'm holding off until night phase.