the biggest plus to ben is that he decided to hard shield zelda when my poe outside the prs was zelda and ben, which inevitably shrinks the poe to just ben. which is in a vacuum towny. the only counterargument i can think as to why it isnt towny is that ben is a top 10 player as wolf and town, so hes aware that people generally for whatever reason think that expanding the poe this far into the game is scummy (its not imo its probs rand/nai, but that perception exists regardless) and hes probs aware that therefore shrinking the poe is regarded as towny esp when ur in that poe. so i wouldnt put it completely past him to play into that somewhat because at the end of the day a vet wolf like ben knows it really doesnt matter how big or small the poe is, as long as u have just 1 person u can push/outsurvive each day thats all you need, so a poe of 2 is enough as long as you keep that poe at a consistent 2 each day.
but to his credit he goes the extra mile and hard shields zelda, and hard pushes maple, whhereas if he was a wolf he had the option to just softly defend zelda whilst egging me on in other ways. or let others push taffy, he doesnt neccessarily have to get blood on his hands today by cutting off other pushes and taking sole responsibility by spearheading a maple yeet, which inevitably makes him look even worse in w!ben v!maple worlds after that
like im not sure what w!bens strategy would be heading into the next day, he has to essentially bank on getting me and visor yeeted which then means he cant nk either of us. i suppose he would realise he needs zeldas vote in that case so maybe i can see the vision of wanting to try and pocket zelda early, but that would mean the man is playing 3 days in advance without even knowing for sure hes gonna live this day lol
tldr i think ben defending zelda the way he did was probs towny unless hes playing 3 days ahead/being wifomy
the biggest downside to ben is that imo he didnt find people he is really good at reading at appropriate times. i brought up some of the stuff d1, so i wont rehash those reads, but even on d2, imo ladd and dya were both really towny. if i could see it im sure ben normally should be able to as well, hes great at reading both of them im pretty sure. and i know he caught lissa almost instantly in the mash, and i did mention d1 that lissa was playing into some similar habits she did in the wolf mash game. so yeah if i had to tinfoil bens d2 its less the fact he pushed arctic (tbh i havent even reached that part yet) and moreso that he couldnt find ladd v dya v or lissa w
05-19-2025, 15:55
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
there was a game run previously here on the org where the dvc was very upset over how a flipped role implied the existence of a certain mechanic or extra role. this was a gemma game. i think a few of you were in it in fact
do i think this could be a similar case?
possibly
do i care in that scenario?
not really
05-19-2025, 15:58
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
think ur blind bruv
why do you think wolves have an inventor that gives trackers when they already have a role that can track, serves no utility other than trying to clear themselves from the claim if lissa dies first. which tbf is pretty OP but like im not used to these kinda setups being a thing so idk how likely that is, given from my experience that sample size is exactly 0
05-19-2025, 16:00
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
there was a game run previously here on the org where the dvc was very upset over how a flipped role implied the existence of a certain mechanic or extra role. this was a gemma game. i think a few of you were in it in fact
do i think this could be a similar case?
possibly
do i care in that scenario?
not really
yeah i was, i died n1 lol so i dont know much of it, i saw hally got mad and took her word for it so i stopped following. from my understanding that was due to a mod error and not something intentional, and i did see hally get pretty heated over it, so like i imagine gemma would avoid that this time around lmao but i could be wrong
05-19-2025, 16:00
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
there was a game run previously here on the org where the dvc was very upset over how a flipped role implied the existence of a certain mechanic or extra role. this was a gemma game. i think a few of you were in it in fact
do i think this could be a similar case?
possibly
do i care in that scenario?
not really
but like doesnt the same apply to maples role?
05-19-2025, 16:03
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
i found dya. i was the first to find dya. every time they posted it reaffirmed my read. the nature of being town in a game like this is that my perspective shifts very quickly to 'what have you done fo rme lately' and due to dya's inactivity it forced me to look in the wormhole and consider the possibility they could be maf.
i couldn't find ladd but i gave him plenty of space to work and didn't outright tunnel him. he just got annoyed with me at the end and fair enough. but i still found his day 1 kind of annoying to me, so whatevs
idk im obviously biased but you are describing all reasons i am town. i don't illicit this much paranoia about people i know aren't likely to go over when i can just pocket them to work my agenda instead (this is where ur sus re: me and my treatment of zelda is more apropos but he's just town and so am i so /shrugze, sometimes town has to wolf too)
05-19-2025, 16:05
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
but like doesnt the same apply to maples role?
sure
but on posting and not factoring those things in i think maple is the wolfiest
i'm willing to give leeway on an overtly implied mechanic that should prove taffy isn't ever a pack wolf more than I am about the implied nature of a mechanic that could just be sillily balanced
05-19-2025, 16:29
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Hard game man
I used to be good at late game solving but I’ve defs lost the touch
Or the time to parse it the way I’d like
The cope in me wants it to be the latter but who knows lmao
05-19-2025, 16:30
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Hard game man
I used to be good at late game solving but I’ve defs lost the touch
Or the time to parse it the way I’d like
The cope in me wants it to be the latter but who knows lmao
The more time you spend on ww generally the better the results
Sadly lol
05-19-2025, 17:05
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that bit was a lie from Maple
What would be the purpose of that lie as either alignment?
Taffy (9)
05-19-2025, 17:09
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
What would be the purpose of that lie as either alignment?
Taffy (9)
Taffy please claim everything
05-19-2025, 17:19
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I agree with Ben on Taffy. I agree with Ben on a lot of things this game tbh. I don't think they're maf.
But I have this one problem. I think that Maple being mafia doesn't make a whole lot sense. I think locking all of waza/stett/visor as towns is ok. Visor was the one pushing lissa/benneh on d3 and I think he went against the consensus with that at that point. Waza and stett are just towns based on their activity + interactions with lissa. I don't feel like I need to talk about that in detail.
Benneh isn't locked. If it's not Maple, it's him. So, what's w Benneh's game here? Miselim another town pr, that would be powerwolfy as well and then probably start anew on d6. If Visor or waka is the nk, I'm probably the next miselim. Or taffy.
Or taffy could ignite and just end the game.
I think I want to vote out Benneh or Taffy more than Maple. Taffy needs to drop in and post their actions asap tbh.
I hope to continue my reread in the evening, but I don't think I could do better than waza. Also, I feel like atm I'm looking for scummy in benneh's posts and towny in Maple's, which might be a faulty approach.
05-19-2025, 17:20
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
What would be the purpose of that lie as either alignment?
Taffy (9)
To mess with town/mafia
05-19-2025, 17:24
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else
Taffy: provides a lol pairing of me and maple, and a lol pairing of me and stett, then appeals to the people they’re calling scum then dips and didn’t say much else useful
Zelda: comes in and summaries the already nothingburger of posts the other two said, provides a lol post to me asking who is a wolf whilst implying they don’t think it’s taffy, somehow ignores the lol posts the other two slots made and then decides to pick mine apart, then makes a big wall which says nothing new other than concluding there’s “probably” a wolf alive in the people not clear
lol
Just lol
Idk man seems like a wim killer because atleast one of these slots has to be town, maybe more but it’s incredibly hard to parse when I don’t understand what a single one of them is doing which makes it hard to distinguish which is the wolf doing wolf things and which are the villagers doing wolf things
Like lol
If we're being ungenerous, then what you've done today up till that post is come in, defended yourself for unvoting Lissa, announced an intention to shrug yeet a town PR bc you cba to solve and mocked the three players who've shown any interest in doing so
If you don't want it to be a dead day don't let it
We have a dead wolf you can read her iso
Taffy (10)
05-19-2025, 17:32
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Taffy, each post you make where you continue to ignore people asking you to claim your actions increases the odds you die here by like 15%/post just FYI. idk if you need help reading the room or not but
just claim your actions already
05-19-2025, 17:32
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I started rereading D4. Benneh bussing this hard doesn't make sense. Also, I feel like he would have tried to push me as a potential yeet at least once if he had ramded wolf.
I know I'm mostly townread because of my meta and me usually flaking a lot more as mafia. Bur stett, waza and Taffy don't have meta on me and I think he could be able to convince other players too.
So, that last wolf has been either afraid going against consensus or it's afraid of going against their meta read on me. And both Visor and Mantis would be willing to throw their meta in the bin just to miselim me as wolves.
I feel like running in circles, but I'm back to looking at maple/taffy. Tbh everyone else is just town.
Fwiw my townreading of you is partially sheeping the ppl with meta, but also your reads have internal consistency. I don't agree with your reasons for town/wolf reading ppl at times, but the whole of your reads seem coherent.
Taffy (11)
05-19-2025, 17:40
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Taffy if you don't claim you are just gonna die for Christ's sake
05-19-2025, 17:42
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
lissa was probably a sunk cost yesterday. Mafia aren't trying to save her after such close wagons, and she literally ghosted thread. Care about ben's d1/d2, not his d4
I disagree with this take, actually, I remember several posts at SoD4 defending Lissa (I found Maple's there particularly bad) and arguing for why she was town despite the awful EoD, and like Happy said her wim only dropped when Visor kept up the push. Also mechanically, they'd have wanted to have the doc N4 so they could kill me/him safely.
Taffy (12)
05-19-2025, 17:45
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
this is like talking to apoc (but better since taffy is cooler than apoc)
05-19-2025, 17:52
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Ok, to be fair to Benneh, Lissa started interacting with him after that post. I don't think Benneh has ever responded to the wplfsiding question. Also, this makes me wanna say Maple town.
I disagree completely. She's replying to Benneh who just called out Happy for his repeated jokes about bussing Rask (who she knows to be an afk wolf), if anything I'd say she was encouraging town!Benneh to tie town!Happy to wolf!Rask.
And her Maple read here is "I don't want to vote Maple but if she later flips wolf well oh dear me aren't I easily pocketed".
If you haven't seen it, I recommend it heartily. Reminded me of Get Shorty and the early Tarantino movies. Had some really cool references that I'm sure I didn't all spot.
Taffy (14)
05-19-2025, 18:18
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp
if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today
I'm going to add to that that the best time to kill town!Maple was N2 right after her claim bc it stops her from handing out more goodies, any protection that might exist should be on Visor that night, and it makes Annika and Stett look worse for having pushed her D1.
Taffy (15)
05-19-2025, 18:24
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
on a pure level zero read, the fact that lissa didnt want to pivot to maple is just weird if maple is v, but i guess if maple is v and defending you you cant afford to switch to them
w/e i will research tmrw
Bit of a nonsequitur but Lissa not following you on Benneh can be explained by the fact that she needed to have Dyachei vote with her to have a chance of success and Dyachei strongly townread Benneh iirc.
Taffy (16)
05-19-2025, 18:26
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
lol well that’s why I was trying to leash both of you earlier in the game but I was alone in that matter
No, Annika and iirc Stett made suggestions too
Taffy (17)
05-19-2025, 18:32
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Okay I'm chill now.
I'm gonna go over shit one more time.
We are currently at f7. If we accept the hypothesis that I'm an arsonist, if I were to ignite and kill tonight, the game goes to an f3 and I die.
If taffy is an arsonist and ignites tonight, the game ends and we lose.
We are in f7. If the wolves have no additional KP, it is impossible for the game to end on a ML today.
So. Seeing bennehs arsonist argument today? Shits dumb. If we're trying to mitigate or odds of losing the game? Taff is the only reasonable kill today.
I admit that I've tunneled this game. I'm still tunneling. So if yall, waza and nl whom I'm confident aren't wolves, REALLY think I'm being a dumbfuck tunneling a villager, alright. Maybe i am. Maybe I need to accept that yall are right and I'm dumb and taff is v and my reads are shit. Idk if yall want me to wash my hands of that, then sure.
But like, let's just refocus first. We are in f7. Assuming a world of 1, we have 2 mls here. Assuming I'm arso, we have 1. Assuming taff is arso, we have 0.
It's loss mitigation.
Outside of all that? The game is hard. I went through my reads already. I don't think it's waza because lissa genuinely struggled to kill him. Wazas d1 is REALLY FUCKING WEIRD but that was a month ago and I'm sure he had his reasons for it. Like, w/e I know stett told me to go over it and like... I *dont* know what the rask stuff was and I don't know how to make an alignment read off it. But based on the later stuff, lock v.
I've t a liked at length about nl and why I'm confident there. I saw a couple people tinfoiling I think? I forget who, the game is a bit of a blur. Targeting stett with the track? Kinda dumb but w/e. I really think he's village off his posts. He's talking to me like he's a villager, and idr him.bejng... so obvious about it preciously, I suppose. There was that one particular post the other day that sold me. Idk I could say more but meow.
That leaves stett benneh zelda, so lemme think.
Stetts d1 pr projection shit she claimed is dumb but I just don't know why she'd do that as wolf. More on topic, lissa talked to her like she's a villager. Idk I reread that eod and meow meow it really did just come down to lissa having us pocketed so mb lol fortunately I think it was pretty thoroughly clearing for stett and waza. Atett was posting well socially before that but in this endgame I'm guessing that on its own isn't good enough. I think atm she's reas confidence #3.
Okay I'm getting tired again and might go back to bed.
Tldr thoughts
My benneh read this game has been complicated and dumb. The artic shit and not reading rasks role correctly swung him back to v for me. That said.... I don't think it's the other thre.
He's repping an ultra confident v read onto zelda and shrug if he's v we should take that on credit, I suppose.
I don't care about your pr equity just claim everything please
How will that help?
How will you know I'm not making something up? For anyone who's sufficiently confbiased my role will probably work as 3p. You're always going to have to look at what I've done this game and judge off of that.
Honestly I don't see how you can look at what I've done and think I'm not town. And if you can't see that and you really need to use one of town's misyeets on me rather than any of the other players then go ahead.
Taffy (19)
05-19-2025, 19:00
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
How will that help?
How will you know I'm not making something up? For anyone who's sufficiently confbiased my role will probably work as 3p. You're always going to have to look at what I've done this game and judge off of that.
Honestly I don't see how you can look at what I've done and think I'm not town. And if you can't see that and you really need to use one of town's misyeets on me rather than any of the other players then go ahead.
Taffy (19)
Of course we can't know
But it can help us to make a decision
Knowing everything about your role in conjunction with rasks is important
05-19-2025, 19:14
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
why do you think wolves have an inventor that gives trackers when they already have a role that can track, serves no utility other than trying to clear themselves from the claim if lissa dies first. which tbf is pretty OP but like im not used to these kinda setups being a thing so idk how likely that is, given from my experience that sample size is exactly 0
Ok yeah maybe it would help.
I started the game with 1 bomb (which I used on Arctic)
I would have gotten more bombs by getting targeted at night, but I never was, so there are no bombs anywhere at all.
All existing bombs ignite when I am NKed, so if I had gotten more bombs, and given Rask's role, I felt that "arsonist but with a twist" was close enough, and also, I genuinely lol'ed when I saw my role required me to get NKed in a lobby that's 90% SPKs, claiming a more dangerous kp than I actually was felt like the way to go. Only I was then not NKed and stuck having to keep up the pretense which was a bit shit.
But forcing the wolves to hand townies targeting night actions makes sense if you consider that they might have had some kind of warning about it, so there would be targeting out there but they had a chance of giving it to ppl for whom they could predict who they'd target. If you go through my iso, there are countless posts where I reference or flat out ask to be targeted.
I had such high hopes for Stett, but then Happy said not to jail me, and it was late and close to EoD and I just couldn't come up with any way to reply to it without being too obvious.
Also if you're wondering why I asked Visor to confirm that I hadn't done anything, it was a) to get another suggestion out there, and b) bc I was nursing a Visor/Maple tinfoil at the time (where the track would've been fabricated) and I wanted to see if he'd make the mistake of confirming when I knew he hadn't tracked me.
Taffy (20)
05-19-2025, 19:19
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
...
05-19-2025, 19:24
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Wolves visit 4+ whatever thr last role each night.
Village visits 2-3 per night.
That's like 6-8 visits per night, or so, depending on the last role.
Literally then why not claim this when you highlighted me using the word vengeful?
I'm making lunch
05-19-2025, 19:25
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Do your bombs ignore protection?
05-19-2025, 19:26
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Bro the last bit about the maple visor tinfoil is so townie lmao
05-19-2025, 19:26
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Yeah I'm sorry but I'm just going to dip I'm a bit done atm
I should be super clear to anyone based on how I treated Arctic/Lissa, tried to work towards a better solve, Idk
You shouldn't have needed me to spell out my role, and I don't see how it possibly helps
See you later
Taffy (21)
05-19-2025, 19:27
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Do your bombs ignore protection?
No, forgot about that
05-19-2025, 19:27
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I'm retiring
05-19-2025, 19:33
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Yeah I'm sorry but I'm just going to dip I'm a bit done atm
I should be super clear to anyone based on how I treated Arctic/Lissa, tried to work towards a better solve, Idk
You shouldn't have needed me to spell out my role, and I don't see how it possibly helps
See you later
Taffy (21)
I mean you just explained it in a way that makes sense to me
And now my tinfoil on you is resting
05-19-2025, 19:33
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Nah just kill me before game goes to f3, kill benneh, and yall can sort it out from there if the games still going idc
Taff claim explains everything and I fucking hate it like literally just claim next time we need the setup to make sense and it fucking doesn't when someone is larping as a full kp role who fails to get a single action off jesus
05-19-2025, 19:34
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I think I am just gonna go ahead and say taffy is v
05-19-2025, 19:35
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
So, benneh, where are you at on stett/waza
05-19-2025, 19:35
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I think I am just gonna go ahead and say taffy is v
Agreed
I’m not even worried about 3p anymore (ok maybe 2% worried but I was legit thinking they were 80% 3p before the explanation)
05-19-2025, 19:40
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
So, benneh, where are you at on stett/waza
Stett should be v more than waza is imo but I think both are >>>rand
i can’t elaborate rn but if there’s an f3 id imagine it’s one of you/waza, taffy, and one of Zelda/stett and id probably be rooting for the you/waza slot to be getting voted in dvc
05-19-2025, 19:46
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Okay I'm chill now.
I'm gonna go over shit one more time.
We are currently at f7. If we accept the hypothesis that I'm an arsonist, if I were to ignite and kill tonight, the game goes to an f3 and I die.
If taffy is an arsonist and ignites tonight, the game ends and we lose.
We are in f7. If the wolves have no additional KP, it is impossible for the game to end on a ML today.
So. Seeing bennehs arsonist argument today? Shits dumb. If we're trying to mitigate or odds of losing the game? Taff is the only reasonable kill today.
I admit that I've tunneled this game. I'm still tunneling. So if yall, waza and nl whom I'm confident aren't wolves, REALLY think I'm being a dumbfuck tunneling a villager, alright. Maybe i am. Maybe I need to accept that yall are right and I'm dumb and taff is v and my reads are shit. Idk if yall want me to wash my hands of that, then sure.
But like, let's just refocus first. We are in f7. Assuming a world of 1, we have 2 mls here. Assuming I'm arso, we have 1. Assuming taff is arso, we have 0.
It's loss mitigation.
Outside of all that? The game is hard. I went through my reads already. I don't think it's waza because lissa genuinely struggled to kill him. Wazas d1 is REALLY FUCKING WEIRD but that was a month ago and I'm sure he had his reasons for it. Like, w/e I know stett told me to go over it and like... I *dont* know what the rask stuff was and I don't know how to make an alignment read off it. But based on the later stuff, lock v.
I've t a liked at length about nl and why I'm confident there. I saw a couple people tinfoiling I think? I forget who, the game is a bit of a blur. Targeting stett with the track? Kinda dumb but w/e. I really think he's village off his posts. He's talking to me like he's a villager, and idr him.bejng... so obvious about it preciously, I suppose. There was that one particular post the other day that sold me. Idk I could say more but meow.
That leaves stett benneh zelda, so lemme think.
Stetts d1 pr projection shit she claimed is dumb but I just don't know why she'd do that as wolf. More on topic, lissa talked to her like she's a villager. Idk I reread that eod and meow meow it really did just come down to lissa having us pocketed so mb lol fortunately I think it was pretty thoroughly clearing for stett and waza. Atett was posting well socially before that but in this endgame I'm guessing that on its own isn't good enough. I think atm she's reas confidence #3.
Okay I'm getting tired again and might go back to bed.
Tldr thoughts
My benneh read this game has been complicated and dumb. The artic shit and not reading rasks role correctly swung him back to v for me. That said.... I don't think it's the other thre.
He's repping an ultra confident v read onto zelda and shrug if he's v we should take that on credit, I suppose.
Meow eepy sorry
Hm, I don't think anyone thinks you could be an arsonist. Your power is pretty much confirmed. It kind of weirds me out seeing that in your post.
Also, maybe I would prefer if you suspected me indivindually or townread me on your own.
Btw Taffy not being willing to claim their actions makes me think they're town. The reason is that they are not caring about looking towny in that regard or helpful.
05-19-2025, 19:53
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Inb4 stett is the RB :curtain:
05-19-2025, 19:54
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
Stett should be v more than waza is imo but I think both are >>>rand
i can’t elaborate rn but if there’s an f3 id imagine it’s one of you/waza, taffy, and one of Zelda/stett and id probably be rooting for the you/waza slot to be getting voted in dvc
In case this becomes relevant at an f3, feel free to go against my legacy on Stett
i can’t lock her in, there’s plenty of weird shit I can’t parse from day 1. I think she should be town way more than not but I would not bet on that in an f3 I’m not participating in so feel free to do whatever in the worlds you’re v and end up there
(I know each player itg prob knows this but I’m just pre emptively disallowing any “X read me right just sheep them” arguments later on)
05-19-2025, 19:56
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
okay chat i am a bastion of calm what do we need before the day ends
if i had to choose 1 read to be most confident in its prob my waza read, thats the one ive scrutinized the most and have come away strongly v every time.
that means it'd be REALLY funny if yall made him the game losing ml, so get to that
05-19-2025, 19:58
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Maple
okay chat i am a bastion of calm what do we need before the day ends
if i had to choose 1 read to be most confident in its prob my waza read, thats the one ive scrutinized the most and have come away strongly v every time.
that means it'd be REALLY funny if yall made him the game losing ml, so get to that
Look into stett benneh and Zelda then
05-19-2025, 20:00
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
i dont even expect benneh to flip wolf atp but i recognize that we both need to die for our crimes against the village cause we only have 2 safe MLs left and we both lose the f3 a scary amount of the time
so like if youre REALLY confident in your zelda read, i guess it would just be stett? i REALLY dont think its visor, and like idt he needs to pocket me in the way he did as w when he can just get me killed. his hands off "i thinkyoure v but youre being a bitch" sorta deal is villagery and he was the person who wanted lissa dead the most since like d2 or smth? idr the exact timeline
05-19-2025, 20:23
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Disjointed as fuck post cause im basically quoting random shit that i see on my skim and add it to this abomination of a post.
@Totally not Taffy do you have any specifics on what the wolf anticlaim mechanic is? or just that one exists
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Originally Posted by didistetter
No you weren't roleblocked.
I'm just trying to decide how much it even matters, especially with how visor's handeled his "track results"
i dont love that i linked a capage game, ender quoted it, and then dya posted 1269. I don't need everyone to have read everything but like... It was less than 20 posts ago, so it rlly does feel like they're just not caring. Idk if sloppiness is wolfiness though, they have clearly had time/irl stuff in play.
@EnderWiggin i'll talk to you about ben later. I need to figure out how to actually verbalize my concerns. Tonights task (for me) is to go through ladd/dya/lissa/ben/waza and unpack their approached to the game/my thots and concerns.
@Maple i rlly rlly need you to talk about anyone other than Taffy. I do not care if taffy is 3p today. I need ur inner Moze so i don't have to be worried this is bitch3
can you squeak to this? not completely sure about what you meant by this @didistetter
tried to look at surrounding posts but didnt see anything
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Originally Posted by Maple
If I cross with the kill I die lol
this was a lie btw i dont think anyone gives a shit but was hoping it reduced the odds i got shot *that night* since i was planning on giving out a jail tho it'd be funny to retroactively claim that i was trying to lw soft
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Originally Posted by Visor
Look into stett benneh and Zelda then
I'm skimming d3 again rn. idk I think benneh's d2->d3 is REALLY silly if w. The argument for him being wolf: he's a competent player and could easily fake the sort of silliness without the fanfare. Not being overt about it all that jazz. The argument against: it REALLY looks like he genuinly believed the shit wrt the rask stuff and the arctic stuff.
i miss threadmarks trying to pull up some quotes
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role
uhhhhhhhhhh
fuck me lol
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:
2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper
uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town
but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol
did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?
if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?
With the information we now have on taff's role this all sort of falls into place, honestly. Talk to me about specifically this bit? I think it's a good look, yall said its totally something he could fake before but shrug. I think esp w/ taff misrepping her role its a pretty sensible PoV vs what the reality was.
oh and by the way me and benneh were TOTALLY CORRECT on d2 wrt kp optimization and all yall are either haters or lying about your role and knew that it wasnt real KP. And wow my posts are pretty embarrassingly bad on reread
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
sorry arctic, i can believe you could mess up the claim but the combination of you firmly playing like not-a-PR yesterday and trying to push-out-a-PR instead and also your solve just kind of sucking (fmpov) makes me want to just unabashedly kill you. i'm obviously town -- and even though i'm pushing you, i legitimately think you would be able to find me here and not just brush things off as 'acting.' its as if you have condensed all of my posting, all of which is supremely villagery (as evidenced by the abundance of players correctly townclearing me), and distilled it into the most uncharitable takes so you can justify pushing me.
i also think lissa's posting last night, while drunk, reads incredibly pure and uninformed, so beyond just having a bad read on me, i think your suggestion that lissa is the yin to my yang is also likely wrong and I just think you'd be able to find at least one of us, but you've instead sunk your teeth into ladd as your sure town from all of this. c'est la vie. imo, ladd seems like one of hte people from your position you should be most sus of tbh
your responses to my suggesting we discuss the optimality of using town-KP on a non-claimed PR in yourself, because you were sorta in my townreads at SOD, just reads like you thought you had a gotcha moment on me when the reality is i had you in the tier of townleans that i did not feel super comfortable about and this was especially true as my starting POE for the day whittled down (sunbae died, my waza epiphany, and taffy re-asserting their claim). i think it is more likely you were amazed you had been targetted with a douse and the realities of you just shrug dying when you were in a pretty monstrous spot otherwise left you spiraling and needing to come up with something you hadn't thought through.
if you're town PR, you saw me write that and got all big in your britches because you're PR who firmly asserted they were always VT and would never play eod1 the way you did as VT and then comically misunderstood your role on day 2 when the realities came crashing down. i just don't believe this is likely even if i think it is possible, especially when i pair it with how you've solved the game from your distinct point of view. i wouldn't and won't flame you if you are town but i would probably ask you in future games to not get so caught up in thinking incorrect reads against you are a bigger sin BECAUSE you're a PR. that's how you read to me right now fwiw, so I kinda just hope you're wolf who's flailing and omgussing instead.
i will give you this: in the world you are town, i think your next most likely hit from your current solve is maple, who you've placed me in a difference check with. this is where possible redemption is for you if town, but i am not killing maple here today anymore because atp we are just testing a 50/50 and we at least have decent confirmation of their role being real in comparison to yours, even if its existence doesn't necessarily confirm its alignment.
if others feel strongly about your reaction my suggestion would be to kill dya instead because I think they have the most equity as a partner for you in addition to just sort of similarly slipping into a poe in the worlds you are town along with the other PR claims are town and then do the spiel ladd is talking about re: mech
Thoughts on this post? Also, worth going back and reading benneh/ladd.
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
I LITERALLY HAD TO STOP EATING DINNER CAUSE I REMEMBERED THIS????
IS THIS NOT OUTING? HE HAD NO IDEA OF THE IMPLCATIONS OF SUNBAE'S ROLE AND HOW IT WORKS BUT NOW HES CLAIMING THE EVEN NIGHT COUNTERPATR????????
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
nah
i am very very strong on we just kill arctic with the vote and not leave it up to taffy/any potential roleblocks/stops etc. and i don't think you need to die. don't be defeatist, we got a pretty sick catch
@Lissa i like your posting rn a lot and agree
vote: arctic
too lazy to nest quotes for context, please click the links and check these out. These are benneh dunking on arctic.
Less confident on benneh after having read back, think the things i remembered as villagery are still villagery but i forgor about his d2 wrt ladd. All the ladd shit makes a lot of sense in the context of lissa w tho, basically.
05-19-2025, 20:34
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Gemma
:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow: Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 616
As always, this wagon formation always hits a wolf :boxedin:
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Originally Posted by Maple
dont worry yall if i get d1d i'll setup dvc bingo
48
what could have been in an alternate timeline
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Originally Posted by didistetter
knowing/confirming existence of a mech as a claimed pr isn't mod comms and potentially saves other prs from having to heavily soft to get people off taffy but bleg fine whatever. Won't argue with personal moral code.
Unvote: ladd
@annika ik u want to vote maple. is that p much it for where you'd go for today or what?
@Arctic outside of taffy what are you thinking? @Lissa @EnderWiggin if yall had to put down your vote rn whatcha thinkin
one post left, saving for vote
generally a good post from stett in the context of an afk/Heres Whats Going To Happenable wolf
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Originally Posted by waza
Vote:rask
meow
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Originally Posted by Lissa
voting a 0 poster just feels wrong even though
like
based on the thread villageriness he def is ++rand wolf
i dunno my ww principles are screaming at me at the idea lol
but i mean i kinda do think he is just a wolf i guess
just feels wrong which is maybe dumb
49
im literally so dogshit
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Originally Posted by didistetter
Arctic is town.
Ender you've gone past cap just fyi.
i'll kill the afk ig. It's boring but with everyone capped and the pr claim immediately afking then like...... bleh
i don't trust ben enough rn to go maple. I don't like lissa's eod or her movement around arctic and the claims. So let's lim a 0 posting town and chat more tomorrow.
Vote: Rask
meow
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
vote: ladd
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Originally Posted by Gemma
:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow: Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 656
So benneh put him over. Stett was first vote @ 0, visor @1. Shrug why not just powerwolf someone else over, I guess? Wagon goes down to 3, they get someone else out. Lissa vote off wagon, benneh vote taff, that's a dead taff.
anyway
thats eod1.
05-19-2025, 20:38
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
gonna hang out with women
will check in later
05-19-2025, 20:41
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
tbh, I'm lazy as heck today, a little bit frozen but I also think I want to go
Vote: nebjiamn
Feel free to prove me wrong, but the claims just make most sense as town claims now and stett/waza/visor just make sense as towns. Also, I would say Maple is actually towny rn. Also he was towny on d1 with that Ender post (calling Ender a villager and posting a picture. I know it's increadibly silly but for some reason towny imho) and maybe his musing about how to play town if it was an original text. I was thinking about it earlier today and Maple coming into this game from a demanding w/w with lissa, he probably wouldn't be in a mindset about thinking how to be a strong town.
Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?
05-19-2025, 21:03
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Ok yeah maybe it would help.
I started the game with 1 bomb (which I used on Arctic)
I would have gotten more bombs by getting targeted at night, but I never was, so there are no bombs anywhere at all.
All existing bombs ignite when I am NKed, so if I had gotten more bombs, and given Rask's role, I felt that "arsonist but with a twist" was close enough, and also, I genuinely lol'ed when I saw my role required me to get NKed in a lobby that's 90% SPKs, claiming a more dangerous kp than I actually was felt like the way to go. Only I was then not NKed and stuck having to keep up the pretense which was a bit shit.
But forcing the wolves to hand townies targeting night actions makes sense if you consider that they might have had some kind of warning about it, so there would be targeting out there but they had a chance of giving it to ppl for whom they could predict who they'd target. If you go through my iso, there are countless posts where I reference or flat out ask to be targeted.
I had such high hopes for Stett, but then Happy said not to jail me, and it was late and close to EoD and I just couldn't come up with any way to reply to it without being too obvious.
Also if you're wondering why I asked Visor to confirm that I hadn't done anything, it was a) to get another suggestion out there, and b) bc I was nursing a Visor/Maple tinfoil at the time (where the track would've been fabricated) and I wanted to see if he'd make the mistake of confirming when I knew he hadn't tracked me.
Taffy (20)
I said not to jail you? I don’t remember but if I did it’s probs cos u were my top tr on d2 lol or one of them, oops lol didn’t realise it hurt what u were trying to achieve
Anyways thanks for this post, it helps clear up a lot
Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?
Im more curious to hear your thoughts about it lol
@Visor
05-19-2025, 21:22
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Maple
okay chat i am a bastion of calm what do we need before the day ends
if i had to choose 1 read to be most confident in its prob my waza read, thats the one ive scrutinized the most and have come away strongly v every time.
that means it'd be REALLY funny if yall made him the game losing ml, so get to that
How am I your most confident read lol
You mentioned it’s the most scrutinized one but u haven’t interacted with me once lol, maybe you just prefer to do things on your own accord if you’re town here but if that’s the case can you walk me through what your scrutiny looked like internally @Maple
This is my second last post, I’ll be working during eod so I’m saving a post to get a vote in about an hour - thirty mins before EOD when I may have a break to come and post
05-19-2025, 21:45
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Visor
I tracked stett nowhere
Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go
Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw
Not my finest moment, lol
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Originally Posted by didistetter
@Visor who'd ya track, what did you get, if you say you tracked me or annika i might actually light myself on fire
@Totally not Taffy can I get some assisted self-immolation help in isle 7 pls and ty
05-19-2025, 21:56
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
vote: stett
Was doing some reading of Lissa posts
Lissa said to benneh, that she genuinely didn't understand the wolf reads on him, thought people were insane etc, is that something you say as w/w or something you say to a villa being unfortunately wolf read
She also mentioned about Waza making her skin crawl
I gotta look into treatment of .aple and pzelda more but hmm
Don't recall much on stett
05-19-2025, 21:57
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Ok yeah maybe it would help.
I started the game with 1 bomb (which I used on Arctic)
I would have gotten more bombs by getting targeted at night, but I never was, so there are no bombs anywhere at all.
All existing bombs ignite when I am NKed, so if I had gotten more bombs, and given Rask's role, I felt that "arsonist but with a twist" was close enough, and also, I genuinely lol'ed when I saw my role required me to get NKed in a lobby that's 90% SPKs, claiming a more dangerous kp than I actually was felt like the way to go. Only I was then not NKed and stuck having to keep up the pretense which was a bit shit.
But forcing the wolves to hand townies targeting night actions makes sense if you consider that they might have had some kind of warning about it, so there would be targeting out there but they had a chance of giving it to ppl for whom they could predict who they'd target. If you go through my iso, there are countless posts where I reference or flat out ask to be targeted.
I had such high hopes for Stett, but then Happy said not to jail me, and it was late and close to EoD and I just couldn't come up with any way to reply to it without being too obvious.
Also if you're wondering why I asked Visor to confirm that I hadn't done anything, it was a) to get another suggestion out there, and b) bc I was nursing a Visor/Maple tinfoil at the time (where the track would've been fabricated) and I wanted to see if he'd make the mistake of confirming when I knew he hadn't tracked me.
Taffy (20)
ok this is towny and the stacking with visits makes a lot more sense and is well less 3p, and also jesus we coulda got so much more util if u claimed previously ;-;
oh well doesnt matter ty for claiming
ill try to readback through maple/ben/visor after i get home pre-eod
05-19-2025, 21:57
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Soee is for dummies but something to chew on
05-19-2025, 21:58
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Visor
vote: stett
Was doing some reading of Lissa posts
Lissa said to benneh, that she genuinely didn't understand the wolf reads on him, thought people were insane etc, is that something you say as w/w or something you say to a villa being unfortunately wolf read
She also mentioned about Waza making her skin crawl
I gotta look into treatment of .aple and pzelda more but hmm
Don't recall much on stett
uhoh spaghettio did someone just lose one of his expected wincon mislunches?
"don't recall much on stett" from someone who's been projecting paranoia on me bulk of the game is... a line
05-19-2025, 22:01
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
@waza quick q: in a world i get dragged to f3 with you and we don't hit wolf correctly before then: which slot are you least likely to find me correctly versus?
A. Benneh
B. Visor
C. Maple
05-19-2025, 22:05
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
fwiw i'm not voting on pzelda, waza, or taffy this game, in any conditions including f3.
If you're a wolf in there start cheering cause yeah no i'm not finding you
05-19-2025, 22:10
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by didistetter
uhoh spaghettio did someone just lose one of his expected wincon mislunches?
"don't recall much on stett" from someone who's been projecting paranoia on me bulk of the game is... a line
Lmao good lord that's an awkward post
Spaghettio?
LOL
05-19-2025, 22:12
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Maple
can you squeak to this? not completely sure about what you meant by this @didistetter
tried to look at surrounding posts but didnt see anything
@Maple he was being very cagey and refusing to claim his track or result but claiming he did get a result.
Also noting for the class: Visor specifically said I *did not move N1*
He confirmed d2 that it was not a roleblock and he did get a result
And he is now joke shading me as wolf roleblocker
for me to be a wolf you have to believe either:
1. I have ninja'd actions
2. I had lissa carry the n1k instead of me despite me having far better night positioning off the rask flip
3. I'm a mafia goon
4. I holstered some role despite reading arctic as PR and having both taffy and sunbae claim PR d1
wolfy pivot bro
don't be a nerd if you're town and just help me find the wolf in ben/maple
05-19-2025, 22:20
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Maple
Disjointed as fuck post cause im basically quoting random shit that i see on my skim and add it to this abomination of a post.
@Totally not Taffy do you have any specifics on what the wolf anticlaim mechanic is? or just that one exists
No just that it exists
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Originally Posted by Maple
this was a lie btw i dont think anyone gives a shit but was hoping it reduced the odds i got shot *that night* since i was planning on giving out a jail tho it'd be funny to retroactively claim that i was trying to lw soft
Lissa said to benneh, that she genuinely didn't understand the wolf reads on him, thought people were insane etc, is that something you say as w/w or something you say to a villa being unfortunately wolf read
She also mentioned about Waza making her skin crawl
I gotta look into treatment of .aple and pzelda more but hmm
i'll kill the afk ig. It's boring but with everyone capped and the pr claim immediately afking then like...... bleh
i don't trust ben enough rn to go maple. I don't like lissa's eod or her movement around arctic and the claims. So let's lim a 0 posting town and chat more tomorrow.
Vote: Rask
@nebjiamn i seriously do not like you continuing to shade my d1 and call it "weird" and talk about the FPS stuff as if its some massive point against me. My positioning and process this game is blatantly towny, and I'm not trying to be a dick b/c ya i've been hella paranoid this game too but you ought to be able to see that given your purported god read.
Why is it visor or maple and not you?
There is zero reason for an arsonist maple to NK dya with a vanilla cop. If she has douses + nks she just lets dya get a green. So i don't buy that line.
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed
stett you big dummy that post is like a continuation of your manti cop posting in bean, i am fully right to be freaked the fuck out by that shit lol
Also this has kinda been sticking in my craw:
The original post from me:
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Originally Posted by didistetter
Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?
its not super viable just because that's a make or break day given the jailkeep was lurking. plus I sorta think the way lissa responded and flailed was real and borne from actual fear of being flipped rather than theater. i think its more likely that lissa's partner is on the ender wagon or its maple. plus the way waza townreads lissa near the end of day there is a bit risky in a w/w theater world
so if maple flips v i'd have to reconsider that a bit, but it feels real to me
if anything the idea gives me a little pause about pzelda because i could see lissa using the next day to course correct and not blatantly spew waza and offering some balance to her pushes. i could also see lissa doing that with both of them v to sow discord/wifom into her pushes given im sure she was aware she was ~almost always dying that day
idk i'm kinda talkin mytself into thinkin of a world where stett is a possibility but that would be quite flooring tbh
05-19-2025, 22:36
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by didistetter
@Maple he was being very cagey and refusing to claim his track or result but claiming he did get a result.
Also noting for the class: Visor specifically said I *did not move N1*
He confirmed d2 that it was not a roleblock and he did get a result
And he is now joke shading me as wolf roleblocker
for me to be a wolf you have to believe either:
1. I have ninja'd actions
2. I had lissa carry the n1k instead of me despite me having far better night positioning off the rask flip
3. I'm a mafia goon
4. I holstered some role despite reading arctic as PR and having both taffy and sunbae claim PR d1
wolfy pivot bro
don't be a nerd if you're town and just help me find the wolf in ben/maple
Your days are off, Visor received the action N1 and tracked you nowhere N2
Not sure that changes anything for your argument though
Taffy (24)
05-19-2025, 22:46
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
its not super viable just because that's a make or break day given the jailkeep was lurking. plus I sorta think the way lissa responded and flailed was real and borne from actual fear of being flipped rather than theater. i think its more likely that lissa's partner is on the ender wagon or its maple. plus the way waza townreads lissa near the end of day there is a bit risky in a w/w theater world
so if maple flips v i'd have to reconsider that a bit, but it feels real to me
if anything the idea gives me a little pause about pzelda because i could see lissa using the next day to course correct and not blatantly spew waza and offering some balance to her pushes. i could also see lissa doing that with both of them v to sow discord/wifom into her pushes given im sure she was aware she was ~almost always dying that day
idk i'm kinda talkin mytself into thinkin of a world where stett is a possibility but that would be quite flooring tbh
You mean Happy here, right?
Maple was on the Ender wagon, who do you mean with this?
Or am I missing something?
Taffy (25)
05-19-2025, 22:49
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by didistetter
@nebjiamn i seriously do not like you continuing to shade my d1 and call it "weird" and talk about the FPS stuff as if its some massive point against me. My positioning and process this game is blatantly towny, and I'm not trying to be a dick b/c ya i've been hella paranoid this game too but you ought to be able to see that given your purported god read.
Why is it visor or maple and not you?
There is zero reason for an arsonist maple to NK dya with a vanilla cop. If she has douses + nks she just lets dya get a green. So i don't buy that line.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point but this isn’t remotely similar in any way so now I’m even more confused by the thought from you
Anyways see ya after work
im town because i killed a wolf in a spot i wouldnt dare dream of if i was wolfing, especially if i was actively wolfing an eod with a partner. if i had to draw an analogy of how absurd the thought is without lambasting a bunch of people for it, i'd compare it to our experience in our hydra game where we had 0 motivation to play eod1 in the manner we did (different results that game vs this game, since i voted a wolf here wehreas we didnt land our final vote in the hydra game, but the idea is the same). i actively work toward wolf winconditions without fear of how wolfy it makes me look. you can argue my arctic play fits that mold and i'd probly agree (though i'd doubt my ability to come off as pristine as i did if i was manufacturing some spiel about missing dinner because i remembered a slip arcy made). but my day 1 play doesn't align with it. i think you know that, but you're also just scared. i would tell lissa to wolf arctic or someone else out (she did/was) and i'd align with her on that front because i'd be well aware of the likelihood of a rask cfd if i'm w/w/w with those two and i'd be very wary of any cred to be gained from pushing an afk wolf out. in what world do you think i would ever give up wolf equity like that without gaining something very solid in return?
i can't help that your day 1 is weird af friendo. you had a weird af day 1 that i have not seen from you before. i don't think its absurd for me to consider all angles in this game (and frankly i'm getting so tired of people getting so upset the moment i bring up my thought process on differing slots in this game. i don't view all of you through peachy keen sunglasses because i don't have TMI and the moment i suggest something is off doesn't mean i'm tunneling you)
re: bean game vs this game: your post about pretending to be cop gave the same "wowzers is this real mech??" vibe that the linked post gave in bean game. it is absolutely insane to me that you think you could possibly soft a n0 wolf check on a player with any degree of confidence wherein you would then doubt it so early that you'd ask me for mechanical advice about the possibility of a miller. that is batshit crazy to me. but despite that, i still have you town for other reasons. it's not unfair for me to bring this up in case this games goes to an f3 that i'm not a part of (I am always dying tomorrow if we miselim maple today). sorry not sorry
05-19-2025, 22:50
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
You mean Happy here, right?
Maple was on the Ender wagon, who do you mean with this?
Or am I missing something?
Taffy (25)
I meant that it feels more likely the wolf is on the ender wagon __or it was maple___
i didn't remember where maple was when i wrote this post so i just filled that in to clarify in case they weren't on it
if maple is town i'll likely just self vote tomorrow and help you (the royal you) solve tomorrow with the assumption i'm dying, but i legitimately don't see a better push for today
annika thought it was maple
ladd thought it was maple
arctic thought it was maple if it wasn't me/lissa
i have thought and think it is maple
dya thought maple was iffy but i disagree with dya that its taffy and i would not kill taffy today (or probably ever, except in the case we flip a wolf and the game continues)
i dont remember what sunbae's posts were about maple but i'm pretty sure he had her in the lower half of his poe
i like those odds tbh, especially when i pair it with how lissa treated and read maple this game. read over my posts linking lissa's readslists, the way she hedges and overexplains every time maple comes up is so different from everyone else.
i genuinely don't care about the mech and i don't think you should either but c'est la vie and all
@pzelda Remember that post you linked, I would find it really weird if that conversation were w/w
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
by the way, i had a think in my car on the drive home and i'm going to be annoyed but more understanding of waza's play today if we find out he's like, in a neighborhood with a few people up to and including rask, and that's why he chose to play today with the vigilance of a thousand suns against a zero poster while he defends a bunch of other people without any reason while placating to several other people in the thread before he could have any real substantial read on said people at any point
if that's not the case and he's just punting around as whatever he is then ill also be annoyed but less understanding
lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)
also had the thought that this game feels like i'm wolf siding so far, and i've kinda attacked any and everyone so far, so that's prob true to some extent, but i also feel like despite the potential wolf siding that i'm potentially probably doing i still feel i'm not the one playing poorly. i wish people would kinda not be lazy (or at least be lazy in the forms of like, visor or ladd are so far)
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Originally Posted by Lissa
Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong
Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol
Really feel like I should have some idea
My heart says town but like
I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl
Annika feels like a villager
Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
They're both shading Happy there, but then neither ever brings it up again after Rask has flipped
And Benneh didn't ask Lissa to comment on it, she did that spontaneously
It's a lot more believable to me that she did that bc she wanted to encourage Benneh in sussing Happy
