Tiaexz does a girly job and why Kadagar prefers to be grappled by burly fireMEN

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There seems to be (I put that in italics for a reason) very little discussion about men's issues from current strains of feminism (despite the assertion that feminism fights on behalf of both genders).

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I don't know about the situation in the US(and the US is an extremely diverse country anyway), but from where I stand this is not true.

For the record, Norway does have a committee on men's rights. Proper rights, though, not the misogynist MRA bullshit.

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Also, you don't need to wait two decades to see if modern feminism is a success or not. Well, first of all there needs to be a definition of modern feminism. 1960s-1980s feminism is second wave feminism which we know ended more or less due to internal strife about pornography (among other topics) and the religious/conservative uprising of the 1980s. From the 1990s onward, "modern feminism" has been third wave. There are already growing backlashes to third wave feminism with varying degrees of extremist views (such as the misogynistic views of Kadagar). Whatever the actual products of "modern feminism" have been in the past 15 years, the image many have of it is akin to the view of Fragony. That is, that women deserve special treatment and to just be given positions and privileges for the sake of being a women. There seems to be (I put that in italics for a reason) very little discussion about men's issues from current strains of feminism (despite the assertion that feminism fights on behalf of both genders). Why is there no Federal council on men when men have successful suicide rates almost 4 times higher than women? Why do men make up 40% of college graduates when they are 51% of the 18-40something population? Why can't I paint my nails without having people look at me weirdly or questioning my sexuality?

Granted, even feminists I do not like will talk about the problem of "aggressive masculinity culture" repressing men from being able to express their feelings, which has a large degree of truth to it. However, most commentary about it features a lack of solutions or solutions that I feel won't actually connect with young men.

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Has it?

I think around this Backroom and Frontroom, men have often shared their emotions and feelings, and been generally handed well.

Heck, looking around in my age group, 30-40 year olds... We have no problems discussing feelings. Neither with our spouse or with our friends.

I often heard women say they prefer to talk with men, as they are more sympathetic and less prone to backstab you afterwards.

I know me and the people around me are extremely open with stuff like this, so I don't understand where the idea that men cant handle feelings come from.

We don't act like ****ing drama queens around it though, but that's another issue entirely.


Also, we just had an accident in Sweden when some workers died. That's OK, it happens all the time and it's a known hazard of the job.

How come I never see feminists violently claim 50/50 gender balance in those jobs?

I agree with Frags, the feminist movement seem to only want a gender balance in the cool or finer jobs.

Men simultaneously go to the coal mine, gets killed once in a while, and frown some when they read about the new feminist ideas of equality in government and CEO boards.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Also, we just had an accident in Sweden when some workers died. That's OK, it happens all the time and it's a known hazard of the job.

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You mean you never had an investigation or an improvement in safety standards?
And the families of the people who died just say it's okay?

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Originally Posted by Husar

You mean you never had an investigation or an improvement in safety standards?
And the families of the people who died just say it's okay?

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No no, that is done all the time. Men however accept that some jobs means you put your life at risk. Heck, in my own profession I have had 2 people I know get killed while training to further their profession.

However, some works will NEVER get a 0 rate in death numbers.

Construction and mining comes to mind, among others...

I dont' say we shouldn't do our utmost to protect these workers, you completely read me wrong.

I am saying that I find a lack of feminists fighting for females making up 50% of the work force.

Too easy.

And of course, historically-speaking, feminism tried to integrate the construction industry back in the '70s. Unsurprisingly, the meathead population was resistant, and the attempt failed.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Too easy.

And of course, historically-speaking, feminism tried to integrate the construction industry back in the '70s. Unsurprisingly, the meathead population was resistant, and the attempt failed.

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That website is heavily SJW. Can you please directly link a boring, monotone study that proves your point.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Too easy.

And of course, historically-speaking, feminism tried to integrate the construction industry back in the '70s. Unsurprisingly, the meathead population was resistant, and the attempt failed.

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Yeah... And here back in the real world you quote one, I will say it again, ONE, feminist blog.

At the same time the movement as a whole wage war on political positions and board of directors...

Do you seriously believe you get a cookie for being able to google "feminism + construction"?

That you then put it forward as some kind of argument seen to the whole, is embarrassing.

And OF COURSE the failed attempt yet again was the mens fault.

Heck, I practised as a emergency-nurse, in the nurse room there was this calendar with naked firemen.

Do you think I:

A) Made a whole debacle about unfair working conditions and quit, then wrote a blog about it.

Or:

B) Went to work and ****ed the cutest nurse there?





SIDENOTE: No I am not a nurse, practicing there was part of the officer training program for medical field helpers. Basically you get trained to in a pinch be able to assist the field medics. The training from there however helped me save a life in Vienna last year, something I am quite proud of.

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Yeah... And here back in the real world you quote one, I will say it again, ONE, feminist blog.

At the same time the movement as a whole wage war on political positions and board of directors...

Do you seriously believe you get a cookie for being able to google "feminism + construction"?

That you then put it forward as some kind of argument seen to the whole, is embarrassing.

And OF COURSE the failed attempt yet again was the mens fault.

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That you perceive no irony in saying this is profound. Really, really, low self-awareness here.


As for ACIN's more reasonable complaint (though still strange - after all, these are the very sorts of criticisms most-often used against SJWs):

Arriola - "What's the Big Deal - Women in the New York City Construction Industry and Sexual Harassment Law, 1970-1985". (1990)
Gale - "Women in Non‐traditional Occupations: The Construction Industry". (1994)
Law - ""GIRLS CAN'T BE PLUMBERS"--AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FOR WOMEN IN CONSTRUCTION: BEYOND GOALS AND QUOTAS". (1985)
Whittock - "Women's experiences of non-traditional employment: is gender equality in this area a possibility?". (2002)


I'm not going to upload these, as it's obvious Kad will refuse to see that they refute his point, let alone go to the trouble of reading them.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

That you perceive no irony in saying this is profound. Really, really, low self-awareness here.


As for ACIN's more reasonable complaint (though still strange - after all, these are the very sorts of criticisms most-often used against SJWs):

Arriola - "What's the Big Deal - Women in the New York City Construction Industry and Sexual Harassment Law, 1970-1985". (1990)
Gale - "Women in Non‐traditional Occupations: The Construction Industry". (1994)
Law - ""GIRLS CAN'T BE PLUMBERS"--AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FOR WOMEN IN CONSTRUCTION: BEYOND GOALS AND QUOTAS". (1985)
Whittock - "Women's experiences of non-traditional employment: is gender equality in this area a possibility?". (2002)


I'm not going to upload these, as it's obvious Kad will refuse to see that they refute his point, let alone go to the trouble of reading them.

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Will you summarize?

I yet again say that I don't trust your intellectual ability enough to DIG IN DEEP with whatever notion you have.

A semi-intelligent person at the very least is able to summarize and explain his sources.

If I then would question THAT, you might ask me to dig in.

Have I mentioned I see you as an arrogant something something?

And as a sidenote: Swedish feminism is some XX years ahead of your feminism. Remember this is an international board, so you really should broaden your sources.

Back in gymnasium, we had this class of "builders" with about 40/60 female / male attendants. Sexual harassment is a SERIOUS issue in Sweden, unless a male is the victim.

So step off of your high horse, will you?

Here's the summary: the feminist movement in general has wanted women in construction for longer than you've been alive.

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Remember this is an international board, so you really should broaden your sources.

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Same point about irony, self-awareness.

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Sexual harassment is a SERIOUS issue in Sweden, unless a male is the victim.

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Maybe because people like you don't take it seriously? Who said this:

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Heck, I practised as a emergency-nurse, in the nurse room there was this calendar with naked firemen.

Do you think I:

A) Made a whole debacle about unfair working conditions and quit, then wrote a blog about it.

Or:

B) Went to work and ****ed the cutest nurse there?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I practised as a emergency-nurse, in the nurse room there was this calendar with naked firemen.

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Against the rules here, possible disciplinary action. Nurses cannot even wear a charity ribbon for example, as it might cause offence to the patient.

That isn't a feminist issue, it is a lack of professional standards in the work place.

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

it is a lack of professional standards in the work place.

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DING DING DING DING

If I had naked pictures on my office wall, the feminists who wanted to complain would have to wait in a very, very long line...

Have yet to see a workplace that doesn't has a Playboy-calendar

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Have yet to see a workplace that doesn't has a Playboy-calendar

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Are you still living in the 80's?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Are you still living in the 80's?

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According to a personality-test I behave like a 15 year old, so yes.

I can't help but feel that Kadagar is the kind of person who sits around on /pol/ listening to this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6T..._WacbxJWiRZ5_g

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Are you still living in the 80's?

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No, [snip].

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Maybe because people like you don't take it seriously? Who said this:

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Kadagar is sexist because he only has sex with women, right?

Hang on...

Are you suggesting that Kadagar took advantage of the hot nurse?

Surely she's an autonomous actor can make her own decisions?

If Kadagar was a girl and proposed to fornicate with a male nurse, would you bring that up?

As usual, I'm going to assume Kad's heart is basically in the right place and that he's probably not expressing himself well, along with being slightly off bore with regards to his point. I've only skimmed the thread but my general impression is that, whilst I often disagree with him, people usually shout at Kad for what they think he meant, rather than what he actually meant.

I believe this is because you all eat too much chicken and not enough red meat, all the oestrogen is messing with your brain chemistry and therefore you can't properly appreciate Kad's point of view.

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

I can't help but feel that Kadagar is the kind of person who sits around on /pol/ listening to this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6T..._WacbxJWiRZ5_g

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This is so, so, soooo wonderful, I can hardly thank you enough. He even has a piece on our topic (few bad words but nothing serious I think):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNURDy_uGu8

If I understood things right, men have a more diverse range of genes than women...

On the IQ bell curve, the mens curve is broader.

This means, that while the average or median IQ is the same, you will find more really stupid, and really smart men.

The left side of the curve doesn't effect the economy much in a male/female perspective, as you're probably on some sort of wellfare anyway (this basically mean that more men are REALLY retarded, not just retarded).

The right side however does affect economy, as the most intelligent ones will predominantly be men. Society has a tendency to reward ability on the right side more, so with a broader curve, the males comes out on top.

Can this be part of explaining why men tend to take the top positions in most endeavors? And partly explain why men tend to earn somewhat more?

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No, he has..

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There are worse things, being you for example.

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

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That's not very sex positive.

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No, he has...

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Amazing argument. You have truly shown where the high ground is.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

If I understood things right, men have a more diverse range of genes than women...

On the IQ bell curve, the mens curve is broader.

This means, that while the average or median IQ is the same, you will find more really stupid, and really smart men.

The left side of the curve doesn't effect the economy much in a male/female perspective, as you're probably on some sort of wellfare anyway (this basically mean that more men are REALLY retarded, not just retarded).

The right side however does affect economy, as the most intelligent ones will predominantly be men. Society has a tendency to reward ability on the right side more, so with a broader curve, the males comes out on top.

Can this be pat of explaining why men tend to take the top positions in most endeavors? And partly explain why men tend to earn somewhat more?

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Not really. High IQ gives higher salary jobs on average, but it's not that notable for the very high IQ people (where such a difference is most notable). The top positions aren't help by people with very high IQ, those tend to top out as specialists.

This is a more probable reason. Short version. In media and general conversations, if the male/female ratio is getting close to 50/50, the environment feels to be massivly female.
So a man and a woman contributing equally verbally will feel like the woman is heavily dominating (aka being pushy), while if they feel to be contributing equally, the man will be contributing more (aka contributing more on the percieved same amount of time).

In my experience, sexual harassment towards men is more frequent in the workplace, it just isn't regarded as harassment.

Now I've been compared variously to a gorilla and Lurch from the Adams family, and I've still experienced what many people would consider sexual harassment from colleagues and customers.

So its not surprise to see what wee guys like this experience just for packing shopping bags.

The exception to the above rule, again just from my experience, is Indian men. They don't hold back or try in the least to be subtle about it when it comes to harassing women. I don't say this to race bait, but just to highlight that our behaviour in these things is about the culture that is ingrained into us.

Incredible India. Just hit them if they are being rude. But don't you really mean Asians. You know who I mean.

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So its not surprise to see what wee guys like this experience just for packing shopping bags.

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He was asking for all that attention by wearing that tight shirt.

I recall something about how when going for a job interview men ask about salary and women argue about flexible hours, childcare etc. I forget the paper but the general thrust was that since the 1980's and the end of Second Wave Feminism many women have chosen children over career, so there aren't as many women in top positions as men now at least partly because of self imposed limits.

There's a strong argument that the men in these top positions are not leading "healthy" lives, either.

Men have shorter life spans not because of genetic difference or work difference(nurses, for example, is bloody hard physical work), but because we enjoy the finer things in life, like crashing our cars into each other, inserting sharp objects into our bodies and throwing tiny bits of metal at each other.

Discard those factors, and men and women have similar lifespans.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Men have shorter life spans not because of genetic difference or work difference(nurses, for example, is bloody hard physical work), but because we enjoy the finer things in life, like crashing our cars into each other, inserting sharp objects into our bodies and throwing tiny bits of metal at each other.

Discard those factors, and men and women have similar lifespans.

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Nurses lift approx 10 tons over the course of a long-day shift, it is why manual-handling is an annual/mandatory workshop every year to ensure they don't bust their backs by not working within safe or approved practise, for example. What is interesting, are these guidelines:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://i.imgur.com/fHlcAUn.png

Now imagine patients are typically over 60kg, and they need to be moved, escorted, lifted, washed...

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Originally Posted by PVC

Kadagar is sexist because he only has sex with women, right?

Hang on...

Are you suggesting that Kadagar took advantage of the hot nurse?

Surely she's an autonomous actor can make her own decisions?

If Kadagar was a girl and proposed to fornicate with a male nurse, would you bring that up?

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PVC, you made the same error that you accuse us of making with Kadagar.

The problem isn't the sexual encounter in itself, in other words. This is sexist because it says:

1. Men can be sexually harassed.
2. But that's no problem, cuz when I get harassed I go out and fuck chicks!
3. Only pussies complain about sexual harassment.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

1. Men can be sexually harassed.
2. But that's no problem, cuz when I get harassed I go out and fuck chicks!
3. Only pussies complain about sexual harassment.

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Word ~:smoking:

See, now you finally GET me :2thumbsup:



EDIT: Sexual harassment of pussies is still WRONG though :stare:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

See it as a game, what would you do

Economy has a perk when consisting of men

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See, what I love about Frags is that he is outspoken and once in a while absolutely kills the argument.

If anyone doesn't see the point in this, it's because you have worked in feminist controlled work settings, or have bent over for political correctness.




Another way to look at it:

When the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE comes, who are the top 10 persons you have worked with in your life you would form a crew with? It is about survival, you know, much like anything else. EVER.

I know what my crew would look like, and trust me, it's not 50/50 based on gender.

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If anyone doesn't see the point in this, it's because you have worked in feminist controlled work settings, or have bent over for political correctness.

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he killed the argument by - not making any argument whatsoever but coincidentally agreeing with what you maintain? Interesting.

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When the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE comes

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It's 0, because no one I know, male or female, is fit to survive an apocalypse by doing it the way you imagine. Stop deluding yourself, the only way to survive an apocalypse is to immediately form an ad-hoc community and utilize everyone's skills to the maximum. Making it a "NO GIRLZ CLUB" because teh menz are strong and brave and can shoot guns is wrong on literally every level.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I know what my crew would look like, and trust me, it's not 50/50 based on gender.

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You know, the survival of the human species requires fewer men than women.

If we are also speaking about the slow stumbler types, women can overpower them easy enough too. Force-equalizers like guns also level the playing field.

Anyway, you forget, the strongest parent is your mother, not the father.

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

You know, the survival of the human species requires fewer men than women.

If we are also speaking about the slow stumbler types, women can overpower them easy enough too. Force-equalizers like guns also level the playing field.

Anyway, you forget, the strongest parent is your mother, not the father.

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I think you read me wrong.

I said, what 20 people would you want to have in your CREW?

The CREW can pick up girls in the zombie apocalypse :2thumbsup:

Heck, the better the crew, the more girls we would be able to save. Ooooooooooooooooooooh PC incorrectness warning...

Why is it that bigots so often live in the world of a 13-year old?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

If anyone doesn't see the point in this, it's because you have worked in feminist controlled work settings, or have bent over for political correctness.

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Is this a fancy way of saying that anyone who disagrees with me is wrong?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

If I understood things right, men have a more diverse range of genes than women...

On the IQ bell curve, the mens curve is broader.

This means, that while the average or median IQ is the same, you will find more really stupid, and really smart men.

The left side of the curve doesn't effect the economy much in a male/female perspective, as you're probably on some sort of wellfare anyway i am talking out of my(this basically mean that more men are REALLY retarded, not just retarded).

The right side however does affect economy, as the most intelligent ones will predominantly be men. Society has a tendency to reward ability on the right side more, so with a broader curve, the males comes out on top.

Can this be part of explaining why men tend to take the top positions in most endeavors? And partly explain why men tend to earn somewhat more?

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If you seriously think that "the top" is comprised of "elite" intellectual male substance...

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Is this a fancy way of saying that anyone who disagrees with me is wrong?

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Congratulations!! :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

You picked out one sentence, to fight a position that has gone on for hundreds of lines of text.

And YOU WON!!

You want a cookie?

Or are you going to listen in, try to understand the point, follow some sources, and make an intelligent reply?

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

If you seriously think that "the top" is comprised of "elite" intellectual male substance...

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Huh?

Where did you get that from?

You must have either misread me, or lacked the capacity to understand me, if you think I in anyway based any argument on the top of the bell curve.

I thought I was very precise when I talked about how the right side of the bell curve is what really matters, when it comes to who does well at what.

A broader range of genetic diversity in men means more men will excel generally, compared to women.

How is that wrong?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Congratulations!! :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

You picked out one sentence, to fight a position that has gone on for hundreds of lines of text.

And YOU WON!!

You want a cookie?

Or are you going to listen in, try to understand the point, follow some sources, and make an intelligent reply?

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Lol, that's precisely what you're doing. Sarmatian did no such thing. He's even posted earlier in the thread to correct you, if you'll recall.

It's wrong because the data is bogus and you don't understand a thing of what you're talking about.

I'm assuming you're on the left of the spectrum.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

When the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE comes, who are the top 10 persons you have worked with in your life you would form a crew with?

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I said, what 20 people would you want to have in your CREW?

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Yes, I know, but I laugh about it myself, I'm silly and pedantic and a lot of other bad things.
Deal with it.

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Why is it that bigots so often live in the world of a 13-year old?

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I take it I am one of them.

Why do lefties always confuse what they want with what is simply so? Women do make it to the top if they have qualities that are required. Feminist movement should just shut up, you aren't entitled to special treatment just because you have a fleshwound between your legs.

The ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE is a fun one, if you consider the odds, what are your chances of survival. Just you, not the human species.

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Feminist movement should just shut up, you aren't entitled to special treatment just because you have a fleshwound between your legs.

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But they already are given special treatment. Feminists want you to stop giving them special treatment.

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But they already are given special treatment. Feminists want you to stop giving them special treatment.

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Yeah, that is why they want quota for top-positions. A circular argument of a F5-tornado.

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Yeah, that is why they want quota for top-positions.

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Transitional phase. You don't want to stop treating them specially, so they offer to wean you off it.

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Transitional phase. You don't want to stop treating them specially, so they offer to wean you off it.

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By demanding quota that are de facto discriminating men, yes that makes total sense. The able will get where they want to be, plenty of examples of incredibly capable women that are doing fantastic. But it's not to be taken for granted. As long as femininists refuse to shut the hell up when there is a perfectly fine level-playing field I am not going to be a shoulder to cry on.

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By demanding quota that are de facto discriminating men

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The able will get where they want to be

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Wrong.

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As long as femininists refuse to shut the hell up when there is a perfectly fine level-playing field I am not going to be a shoulder to cry on.

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I know to take what you say very carefully, but - the meaning here is that you will not admit that women are disadvantaged unless they stop complaining that they're being disadvantaged.

And that's pretty messed up.

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No, I wasn't talking about you Frags.

Anyway. As a white, heterosexual male, I will be preferred by employer before they even see my qualifications compared to those applicants who do not share those 3 traits.

I want that special treatment to end. I want to be judged on my qualifications, not on the way I use my penis.

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Wrong.



I know to take what you say very carefully, but - the meaning here is that you will not admit that women are disadvantaged unless they stop complaining that they're being disadvantaged.

And that's pretty messed up.

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Kindly allow me to point out why fighting against sexual discrimination, or any discrimination, is more messed up; nobody is going to really believe you when you can rightfully claim you did it all by yourself.

Not all women are feminists.
Not all feminists want quotas.
Not all women want quotas.
Not all quotas are wanted by feminists.
Not all quotas are wanted by women.
Not all solutions are quotas.
Not all quotas are solutions.

But it's also not like quotas would necessarily force companies to choose unqualified women for those jobs, they would of course try to find the qualified ones. And in quite a few companies it may be the first time they seriously look for qualified women to promote to these positions. For women it would create an incentive to try to get there, because that incentive is much lower if you know you wouldn't really be considered anyway. That is incidentally also why all the arguments based on the status quo make no sense, because it has been proven time and again that the status quo is biased against women even if they have the same qualifications. Women even had to fight for the right to vote. To say that feminism is just about unfairly disadvantaging men is ridiculous, or are you also mad they your votes are only worth 50% of what they were before women could vote?

Is offering 300 euro for having sex with me abuse as well, or just offering me 300 euro to have sex with them. Perfectly ok with me that's all fine. But that's what they are willing to pay for one hour of love. Two hours. Don't be so naive about what women really want. I know a lot better than that. Women aren't accidental unwilling victims, I am sure the Swedish skii instructer agrees.

And in case of a zombie-apocalypse, I'll take Kad over any of you, at least he got things right. With the rest of you, I won't survive. Women's rights, you have gotto be kidding me.

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Is offering 300 euro for having sex with me abuse as well, or just offering me 300 euro to have sex with them.

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Eh, what you said before and after that comma is exactly the same thing. :dizzy2:
Oh and if that is a question, you may want to put a question mark behind it, just saying.

And it's an anecdote that may say a lot about your social environment, not much in terms of proof for anything.

Let's all pretend sex trafficking doesn't exist.

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Eh, what you said before and after that comma is exactly the same thing. :dizzy2:
Oh and if that is a question, you may want to put a question mark behind it, just saying.

And it's an anecdote that may say a lot about your social environment, not much in terms of proof for anything.

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It's no anecdote about my social enviroment, it's just how things are. What do you know about my social enviroment anyway? Yes that is what I sometimes do, I get payed to have sex, kill it with fire. But why would you, I am not harming anything with doing that. I don't really see any problem really. It has nothing to do with my social enviroment, my mom knows and she's perfectly ok with it. Old hippie, used to run naked through Amsterdam. My friends were always amazed that my mom would bring tea when we were smoking pot.

I think you need to look up the definition of anecdote, Frags.

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I think you need to look up the definition of anecdote, Frags.

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I don't give a crap what an anacdote means, couldn't eat it even if I undertood what it is, so anecdotes are kinda useless when you really think of it.

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I don't give a crap what an anacdote means, couldn't eat it even if I undertood what it is, so anecdotes are kinda useless when you really think of it.

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It's fun to throw around words we don't know the meaning of.

Knowledge is for nerds!!

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I don't give a crap what an anacdote means, couldn't eat it even if I undertood what it is, so anecdotes are kinda useless when you really think of it.

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Exactly, and that is why your anecdote is useless.

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Let's all pretend sex trafficking doesn't exist.

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The sex industry has always existed and criminalizing it has had the usual effect common to most efforts at prohibiting a given personal behavior. Price increase through scarcity coupled with a criminal element seeking to maintain its criminality while minimizing actually policing efforts and thereby generate the greatest profits -- which generally never end up in the hands of the front line workers in the industry. Subsequent generations of the "money" behind such schemes turn legit and then continue the cycle as members of the establishment [cough] Joseph Kennedy [cough].

Even more shameful is that the sex industry is the central element in modern slavery -- wherein far more persons are enslaved than ever were enslaved during the height of legal (mostly of Blacks) slavery in the plantations era.

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Exactly, and that is why your anecdote is useless.

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What do you know about it, who are you to judge it. For your information, I was only security beating up assholes and only being an asset myself only a few times. What is wrong with that, you provide a fun time without hurting anything. I don't see the problem. Sex is not a negative thing, quite the opposite really, just because you are payed to do it doesn't make you a pump-chump, it's perfectly possible to be really kind and considerate.

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What do you know about it, who are you to judge it. For your information, I was only security beating up assholes and only being an asset myself only a few times. What is wrong with that, you provide a fun time without hurting anything. I don't see the problem. Sex is not a negative thing, quite the opposite really, just because you are payed to do it doesn't make you a pump-chump, it's perfectly possible to be really kind and considerate.

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No, anecdote does not mean that you were exploited.

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No, anecdote does not mean that you were exploited.

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Did I say I was

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Did I say I was

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If you think so, but why did you not stop then?

Getting payed. It isn't as vicious as some think it is, it are the people who do their utmost best to provide these girls with a safe enviroment get the finger. The illegal industry is the tenth circle of hell.

I'll never forget 2004 when my mother-in-law said "What kind of names are those anyhow? (Kerry/Edwards) A president should have a good strong name like John." (her husbands name) Of course she never considered that those were surnames. She was going to vote like her pastor told her to and was grasping for any reason possible to justify it.

Not sure if it makes you feel any better, but most women will never vote for another woman. So they may not make the best voters, but at least they'll not promote female politicians.

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but most women will never vote for another woman.

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Where does this claim come from?

"Where does this claim come from?" Probably the same sources that said once upon a time it was a waste of time to give women the right to vote as they will vote like their husband so it it will just double the paperwork.

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Where does this claim come from?

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Example

It's been around a while, note the author is an emerita, but though dated it was one of the saws of political wisdom in the late 20th.

I wish there were some new threads in the br, this is getting stale.

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I wish there were some new threads in the br, this is getting stale.

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Be creative.