Vote: Quintus
You're awfully talkative, but seem to be hiding your motives and suspicions exceedingly closely.
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Vote: Quintus
You're awfully talkative, but seem to be hiding your motives and suspicions exceedingly closely.
Well this is different. Most games usually prohibit no lynch votes because it is so easy to avoid lynching (and makes it much harder for the Mafia). It takes a nice combination of abstains and maybe ties to get the result of a no lynch and so that route is much more satisfying. :yes:
Still, as a big proponent of the no lynch movement, I will use it. But not just yet, seireikhaan seems eager for a lynch, and that makes me eager for his... :inquisitive:
Yeah Seriekhann seems especially eagar to see me die. Why does no one listen to me! The mafia cannot win unless he start killing, we are only helping him if we start killing each other.
FoS: Khann
So you really think the traitor will not start killing if we do not lynch anyone? That's like playing prevent defense, it only prevents the town from winning.
Additionally, only through voting can we ferret out the mafia. Best example, methinks, is Prometheus. Myself, Reenk, and Pizzaguy, when it came down to actually having to lodge votes, voted very similarly. This game is following a similar pattern in that there are no early kills. Is the mafia(traitor) bribing others to join him?
Regardless, if we are to win, we MUST vote. If we do not, discussion is meaningless, as people can state whatever they want with near impunity. Make them back up their talk with conviction.
Vote: seireikhaan
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Discussion! Like right now, you are making yourself suspicious to me just by talking. And Quintus.JC is making himself suspicious to you just by talking.Quote:
I suppose you have an alternative method of catching the traitor?
Mafia are stupid; they will make blatant mistakes. The only question is if they will be caught...
That was one game, in which you and Pizzaguy always found yourselves in deep trouble EVERY round. :laugh4:
Seamus and I in Mafia V never voted together except once. Proletariat and I in Rise of the Mob never voted together at all.
Just checked Prometheaus. Khaan is right, if the mafia is able to recruit we're be in deep trouble. Blind lynches isn't going to do any good. Anway at this point I'm starting to see sense in starting lynching people.
Unvote: Khann
Start talking people...
Ah, don't say that Reenk! I thought you made a smart mafia in the Prometheus :yes:.
But a quick question - is there a traitor and FBI agent? To me this wasn't made very clear. If we have both, then are they working together, or are they akin to two mafia families? Or, as has been suggested, one recruits, the other kills?
Hmmm, how bout I add something useful instead of just idle mullings about the nature of the mafia, and adding undue paranoia? What would happen if we never lynched at all? I mean, even if the mafia do recruit, they would start voting, or need to vote as a block or rather cunningly to win, otherwise suspicion immediately falls upon them. To me though, we should ignore that - not out of stupidity or just error, but rather because it may just lead us chasing ghosts, and letting the mafia laugh at us as we destroy ourselves in a fit of madness.
Shoot, I don't think I've added anything - I hate when all I have is my own private musings and nothing to go on, I sound like I am speaking in circles, or just mouthing rhetoric :wall: :wall:.
Dissect my post as usual at your own leisure. I'm going to go fall asleep and hope that my brain wakes up with me...
I'm with khaan on this one. Here's a transcript of what will happen if we all decide to vote no lynch:
Round 4
Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch
ATPG: Nobody lynched, nobody killed. Begin round 5.
Round 5
Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch
ATPG: ...
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Now, this may just be me, but the differences in posting behavior between Persons A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, and L aren't enough for me to determine who is mafia.
I'm down with some people voting no lynch, but there needs to be some sort of dissent and discussion or otherwise the above will happen. Ultimately it's just another easy bandwagon for the mafia to hide in.
Vote: Quintus.JC
Because he's tried to be very "middle-of-the-roadish" and I don't like his post after night 1.(see above). It's stated right in the opening post that it will be hard for the mafia to kill at first. Also, with 13 living people it would have been easy for him to check himself if someone has been fairly inactive. It looks like he was trying to steer the discussion in a useless direction.
Hm...
Vote: shlin again.
I think that he's using his silly persona as a defense so that he can vote for anyone he wants, with really no reason. Just because he's attracting attention to himself does not label him as careless and therefore innocent. Right now, he feels the most suspicious to me.
I don't see anything wrong with my post on night 1, what's wrong with stating the obvious?
The discussion before I bumped in was what the message of 'El Diablo's face was riddled with bullets, as was his chest.' meant, you say I was trying to steer away from that discussion. But what has that message got to do with me? it doesn't link towards me in any way possible.
Your post on night 1 was pretty suspcisious too, if I may recall.
Because someone has to get the voting started... that was your reason, and you didn't change your vote afterwards. If Reenk Roink was lynched that would be your reason for wanting to lynch him?
I appreciate the kind words, but basically, I made the mistake of making my fake PM's contradictory with the hosts writeups. It's just that nobody but me noticed. :laugh4:
I'm not saying everybody no lynch's every round (that won't happen anyway). I'm just saying we have a good tool to delay the killings, let's use it when applicable. :grin2:
Exactly, Quintus kept his vote till the last minute, and even then his vote is terribly wrong. (It wasn't bolded and its in brackets...) Methinks this is very very fishy.
Keep pressure on Quintus people! (In my case the barrel of my gun :smash:)
To Chaotix: I am not careless, I was being stupid in the earlier phases because there was nothing to act on... But now, there is something suspicious about Quintus, and I am ready to hound him like a vigilante hounds a criminal.
Judging from the writeups, I definatly think we have an FBI agent, "Agent 824."
It also seems there is a traitor, unless that is the FBI agent.
There's also this line:
Quote:
Everyone has revealed who they are, and so working out who the traitor is should be relatively simple.
??????
I wonder if "824" corresponds somehow with the mafia's name... ATPG can't have put that there without a reason. Although I can't begin to guess at how to decode it, if it even means anything. :thinking:
You were still arguing/talking about how we should vote based on role assignments when it was pretty well established that that road got us nowhere.
??? Find that post and quote it so I can see it....I never said anything about roles being more guilty then others....:juggle2: I was wondering the Million dollar question of 'can the mafia recruit?' last guy that said that you didn't vote for or voice suspicions.....:inquisitive:
I wonder what ATPG meant by "Your running out of time" or what ever.
My original thought was that no lynch is good for the town if we have roles like detectives investigating everyone.
But if we are being watched by the FBI, that could mean that if we don't lynch the FBI agent by the time we put our plans in action, we'll all be caught and dadaa... End of our ambitions.
Heres my thought
Aim of FBI: to survive until the end of the game.
Aim of the traitor: Kill everyone and take the money by him/her self.
So I think FBI and the traitor are two different person.
So if thats the case, assuming we will get role reveals on the write up, if we lynch the right guy, we should start lynching like crazy before we get to the gold. Agent code 824 could mean anything from something which happened in year 824 (which I did a search on Wiki and got nothing), meaning there is a number in name (Yoyoma, Shlin, Aries, Beefy, Chaotix), or alphabetical code which is hbd or hx which doesn't make. If theres any more ideas, shoot as theres not much clues so far.
I'll vote later when I see more reactions and discussions
Here's the post that triggered my vote. I voted you immediately after this post.
You responded with the following defense:
To which I elegantly countered (:tongue:) here:
This current discussion we're having about an FBI agent is different in that it's actually productive and we could strategize about our efforts to take down the bad guy(s?) depending on the general consensus.
If we don't at least try to lynch someone soon, I predict that we will be in for an epically long game of inaction.
@GH
I think White_eyes:D is just really confused atm since I doubt that the mafia would make a mistake such as this so blatantly.
Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago
Edit: Tally
Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)
Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)
Quintus is firmly in the lynching lead.....
But why have you overlooked Beefy's weird behavior, GH?:inquisitive: and you just kinda jumped on me when I first came up with the idea of the FBI/Traitors motives....Then after that you voted for me....Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Could it be your the Fed? and I was onto something?:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Because Beefy has been saying the same things but you have not jumped on him....I might be wrong be it DOES make sense that you would try to get a bandwagon on me and might have recuited Beefy....since he has been doing things VERY oddly.....like voting for me when I clearly had a vote on me from you and 'claiming he made a mistake':rolleyes:.....Quote:
Originally Posted by 187Beefyz
Given that Quintus.JC is looks to die, I will vote: seireikhaan in the hopes that the gang bandwagons to a more suspicious choice.
Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)
Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenkurity)
I am not pleased at the way certain people are trying to dominate the discussion. Very scummy to me...
TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection. :bow:
Unvote: White eyes
Vote: I'm here and will vote somebody soon, but in the meantime I'm not really voting but at the same time I sort of am
Vote: Tevash
Made an odd comment earlier. I'll look things over more tomorrow.
I've said this before (Im pretty sure it was you) but 2 votes on you is not bandwagon. I apologize for putting your life at risk but your not convincing me that you are innocent (although your current playing style fits the usual one).
Just be warned. If I can't find anyone more suspicious then this time I am going to vote for you and this time with a proper reason not random vote.
Reenk: Dominating the discussion seems to be the only way to find the scum right now. At least the quality of the discussion is a lot better compared to round 1.
Argh, so hard to keep up with - I sleep for 10 hours and wow there is a lot to absorb. Good discussion guys :2thumbsup:, even if my brain is clanking away to understand whats happening. But we seem to be getting off topic now by patting our back. But I'll be honest, I don't find either White Eyes or QJC suspicious - true, they have said something's that can be suspicious, but neither really trigger my senses...I'm more leary of those who would try to control the situation using strawmen, like GeneralHankerchief. He seems intent on persecuting White Eyes and always returns to him each round, even if there are better suspects, and then when countered, switches to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion.
Vote:GeneralHanckerchief
That makes absolutely no sense.
Strange defense you have there GeneralHankerchief. Please, if I am wrong, it's better to disprove me and set me straight so the town may then draw conclusions from proper argument. Allowing my (possibly nonsensical) argument stand by not arguing it in depth will not help the town, yourself, or me either.
I would, but then someone would vote you for "when countered, switch[ing] to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion."Quote:
Please, if I am wrong, it's better to disprove me and set me straight
-edit- Unrelated, but when did I suddenly become "GeneralHankerchief" to you instead of GH?
I'm using your own statements against you to prove their inherent fallacy. :book:
Unvote: Quintus
Vote: YLC
FoS: Quintus
I fail to see how GH has "dominated the discussion using strawmen". You are inventing reasons to vote for an skilled and, at least of now, helpful, player. Further, almost all of your posts have contained a ridiculous amount of WIFOM, in particular your first post this round. Lastly, I get suspicious when people pat the town on the back.
I was only commenting on past behavior GH, not current or future behavior, so you will excuse me creating an argument based on it. Would you then please kindly explain your past behavior, and the reasoning behind it? To me at least, it is suspicious.
EDIT - Just saw SK's post.
Yes, my posts contain lots of WIFOM, that should be obvious. I haven't been as helpful as I'd like to be, and I am sorry for that. But I am only trying to stir up discussion, even if it's aimed at me, even if everyone of my arguments is WIFOM or illogical and I get voted because of it. If you remember Khaan, in my RE mafia, the town was basically silent and Chaotix went unmolested, and twice your vote killed off two town at the last moment, because no one discussed anything. I'm not trying to bash you, I am just saying - town loses without discussion.
My past behavior, as I have already explained, was based on White Eye's continued insistence to discuss things related to the "FBI Agent". At the time, I thought "FBI Agent" was another game-assigned role like Computer Engineer, ex-SWAT, or Mastermind, not realizing it was another potential town threat. Later, I realized this was the case and dropped my vendetta.
Yeah, but I didn't.
Pretty much.
Very fishy? the unbolded vote was a clear mistake, I knew that but couldn't edit my post containning the vote, so I simply posted a new one. The bracket abstain was simply a reminder of what I had voted earlier.
You was being stupid becuase in the earlier phases there was nothing to act on, but now there something suspcious about me and you've come to your senses. Thats a strange explaination coming from you Shlin, plus you don't seems to be much in the discussion apart from voting for me and starting a bandwaggon.
Vote: Shlin
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You do realise that you made NO valid votes last round right? No bolded ones, nope, nada, just a wrong vote at the end of the phase... I looked through all your posts last round, there were no bolded writings to be seen.
In any case, how is starting a bandwagon wrong? Others have free will, its not like I have my gun barrel pointed at their necks. Surely they are the ones who are suspicious as they got on my bandwagon.
Okay, the banter between YLC and GH got really confusing and didn't really make sense so here is what I think YLC was trying to say
I posted this saying how White_eyes didn't seem that scummy
A few posts later, GH stopped voting for White_eyes
And then imedietely in the next post, he voted for me.
So thats why YLC was saying that when someone (me) "countered" GH's vote, he quickly switched to a "better" suspect (me again) to end the discussion
Anyways, updated tally:
Quintus 2: (w&f, shlin)
shlin 2: (Chaotix, Quintus)
Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (YLC)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenk)
Reenk 1: (White_eyes)
YLC 1: (khaan)
Tevash 1: (GH)
Please update this when you vote on someone because it takes a while to update it after like 20 posts
When bandwagon occurs, that means there were enough evidence or scumminess that everyone just piles on one fellow. Which means if you get bandwagon, its your fault for being scummy. Like Shlin said, I dont see how starting a bandwagoning is a bad thing.
This round gave us 3 suspicious players.
I cant see how not bolding the vote makes Quintus suspicious. Perhaps a little over defensive but thats about it.
Secondly GH who was accused to be controlling the discussion which I fail to see what is wrong with it. At least his giving us discussion, even though that has possibility of misleading. As for him voting for White_eyes last round, considering iirc GH has never played with White_eyes before White_eyes does seem extremely scummy although that is his natural playing style.
YLC I saw contradiction in your post saying "town lost without discussion." Isn't that what exactly GH is doing right now? Promoting discussion?
I am more weary of Reenk. Please explain why you voted for Seireikhaan and how he is acting suspicious.
Vote: Reenk
Quintus 2: (w&f, shlin)
shlin 2: (Chaotix, Quintus)
Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (YLC)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenk)
Reenk 2: (White_eyes, Beefy)
YLC 1: (khaan)
Tevash 1: (GH)
Took a while to read, firstly please tell me if you'd like me to get involved with discussion or shut up for once, because it seems the more i talk the more i'm criticized, everyone is active so it will be hard voting, seeing as no lynch is frowned upon
@Yoyoma
I do realize it looks scummy saying my role looked innocent, but me along with 9 others, there were only 4 that i thought looked a bit dodgy, regardless as GH pointed out that method of voting is quite flawed, more or less giving us a focus point for days ones normal random lynch, plus the fact we don't know if the FBI and traitor are the same person or not, if theres 2 i would have thought they'd of been a night kill by now though :shrug: anyway if i knew the FBI were involved massively in fraud, then i'd be committing suicide by posting the role descriptions.
Some suspicions do seem to be took out of hand i.e: Quintus' unbolded vote, how on earth is that suspicious?
I have noticed Tevash is rather active, and his posts look big because he quotes alot, when really he doesn't explain much at all, furthermore he constantly keeps a tally, helpful no doubt but easily his motive to show he's being helpful, to conceal attention from himself
Mentioning such as
"Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago"
Ummmm, first of all i have 80 posts a page so that would just confuse me, you don't summarize what this reason is, and it just feels like your reason for voting is degraded, explain again, we shouldn't have to look back to an unspecified post, probably in the hope people will take your word for it rather than look themselves.
Having said this its still a weak plea and i don't believe your the traitor/FBI, just a few minor things i pointed out no matter how nonsensical it may sound :bow:
yeah and tell me if u want me too shut up or speak more, then i won't get sued for supposedly lurking/or/and/over-active posting
Yes, but to me it seemed as if GH was posting bare minimum unless directly questioned or confronted, which seemed a bit shady to me. Then his reason for voting White Eyes was rather lazy and nonsensical - he never bothered to check his resources when he accused White Eyes, and jumped on him when he began discussing it, making the sudden assumption White Eyes was said agent - and made me do a double take.
My vote stands for now.
when does day end? i need to know when i have to vote by :sweatdrop:
Well, I'm active because I'm on Christmas break right now and don't have too much to do at home.Quote:
I have noticed Tevash is rather active, and his posts look big because he quotes alot, when really he doesn't explain much at all, furthermore he constantly keeps a tally, helpful no doubt but easily his motive to show he's being helpful, to conceal attention from himself
I don't explain much because I don't see anyone particularly scummy atm
I keep a tally because well, I often keep tallies in the mafia games I play
Yet when I questioned you, you gave me the "FBI agent" line. And again, it wasn't White Eyes who pushed that, and I noticed when he brought it up, you switched your vote on the basis that 'TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection.'
Yet he was only discussing the motives of the agent - neither of your reasons for accusing him are valid. Either your being lazy, incompetent, and neither are you - I find you to be a much more meticulous player then this GH...
I don't have any case, and i hope he takes no offense by this but
vote: Woad & Fangs
for voting for tons of different people last round
Reenk
Shlin
Unvote
Tevash
next day
Quintus
all rather randomly and spam like reasons to accompany the votes too, it's like a desire to kill the majority of us....
the main reason i'm voting for you though is because i don't know whos guilty, and a vote against you won't cause any trouble, i'm not one for the bandwagon :2thumbsup:
Now you're not making the connection.Quote:
Yet when I questioned you, you gave me the "FBI agent" line. And again, it wasn't White Eyes who pushed that, and I noticed when he brought it up, you switched your vote on the basis that 'TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection.'
I (mistakenly) think that the FBI agent is one of the standard roles.
I see White Eyes talking about the FBI agent and its motives.
Therefore, I think that White Eyes is talking about the motives of a standard role and thus give him a vote.
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Anyway, you'll notice that I did withdraw my vote on him after I realized my error. It's not like I'm still pushing the point.
You've played one game with me before this. :dizzy2:Quote:
Yet he was only discussing the motives of the agent - neither of your reasons for accusing him are valid. Either your being lazy, incompetent, and neither are you - I find you to be a much more meticulous player then this GH...
I see, well, I'll keep my eye on you then...and I can't read past mafia's then? ~;p
Unvote: GH
Now who to vote for?
Are you a master criminal or a flower arranger? Show some backbone next time you accuse someone of being a dirty no good rat~;p
Reenk vote was entirely random
Shlin was for his weird behavior(ATPG likes roleplay so I thought it could be a requirement for his role)
Unvote isn't even a real person:brood:
Tevash was mostly random.
Anyways, I think Quintus is a good lynch for today so I'll be sticking with that unless someone gives me a good reason to vote someone else.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
well if i dont vote for u then :shrug: no vote?
I await Reenk's impute on this matter, since he seemed to hate 'CERTAIN' people dominating the discussion....:stare:
Edit: I mean is no discussion at all better??:confused:
Tally, please correct if you see an error.
TevashSzat: 1Quote:
GeneralHankerchief: Vote TevashSzat
Shlin28: Vote QJC
Seireikhaan: Vote YLC
Quintus.JC: Vote Shlin
woad&fangs: Vote QJC
Chaotix27: Vote Shlin
White_Eyes: Vote Reenk Roink
TevashSzat: Vote Beefy
Reenk Roink: Vote Seireikhaan
YLC: unvoted
Beefy: Vote Reenk Roink
Ares: Vote woad&fangs
Quintus.JC: 2
YLC: 1
Shlin28: 2
Reenk Roink: 2
Beefy: 1
woad&fangs: 1
Seireikhaan: 1
Ties, ties, we mustn't have ties...
TevashSzat: 1
Quintus.JC: 2
YLC: 1
Shlin28: 2
Reenk Roink: 2
Beefy: 1
woad&fangs: 1
seireikhaan: 1
:bow:
I couldn't find it either, I took his word for it.
However, he did state that he would like to abstain while talking to me in this thread, and I thought from his wording he had abstained already. This was my mistake.
No penalties, because I believe this was a misunderstanding, and it was partly my error. However, I will be strictly enforcing the rules from now on. Be careful.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Thanks, I even counted it, I just didn't add it to the tally. :wall:
This voting phase is scheduled to end around 8am today, however due to the current tally and the holidays I may grant you an extension. I'd prefer a clear winner ASAP.
The forum rules don't allow excessive time spent on each round, so the extension will happen only if there is still no clear winner. Remember to vote: No Lynch if you prefer that, and don't forget to vote.
I get the feeling this game is gonna storm past mine for posts once mines finished, glad all are playing it instead of lurking, though it makes it harder to vote because of it
I, too, am glad for everyone's contributions. The way things are going, we will reach a delightful conclusion.
Hm, not sure if I like anyone in the lead. Rather than screw around with the votes I'll just go to sleep and hope something cool happens between now and when I wake up.
Remember in Prometheus when you and YLC got into the spat for almost a page? Gave me a perfect scapegoat later on, when I later dominated the discussion at got people doing my things. Or in Midgard Saga I where I posted so so so so much and just made the game cumbersome to read, leading to an easy Mafia victory.
Discussion is good, but what has been happening here is bad.
Argh, too much to read.... makes my brain hurt.
I'm going to make my morning rounds, and then come back and try to get through everything.
In the meantime I'm going to vote:nolynch, in case I miss the deadline.
Reading everything through, I do realise that my initial arguements against Quintus is a bit... er... weak. But his reactions, especially when he gets voted (see his reaction to Khaan and me) are a bit desperate sounding, and he keeps stating the obvious (Well... everyone does that in this game, but I just feel he's done it slightly more) My vote stays with Quintus :bow:
My vote stays as well, as I find shlin too suspicious to be left unchecked... and his excuses aren't convincing me.
None of the three top runners really stick out to me more than any other, but none of them are without some suspicion:
Quintus's fake vote and his continued claim that he made a valid vote, as well as his reaction to things.
Shlin's semi vigilante claim, and psychopathic behavior.
Reenk's Reenkness, and this post:
But, I don't know if any of those reasons are good enough to vote for one over the other.
Quintus, you didn't place any vote last round, until the tie breaker, legal or non. You "reaffirmed" something you had not previously stated. Making discussion doesn't make a vote. But I'm not going to hold it against you... One should never vote angry.
Shlin, I like your role playing, but RPing a cold killer does make you seem a bit suspicious, even in a game of criminals.
Reenk, I don't see anyone here trying to drown out other people, as Pizza did in the Prometheus. The conversation leaders seem to be shifting daily. Naturally some people are going to have stronger opinions than others. Though, I personally do find some people's playing style overly distracting (not yours).
...
Anyway, my opinion on any of these three isn't strong enough for me to want any one of them lynched over another, and voting for someone else could either distract the issue or add another into the top tier. No change in vote.