Which players are tied for first?
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Which players are tied for first?
GE, Scienter, and Chaotix I believe
Correct, each of them have three votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
OK, unvote; vote: God Emporer because he's been the quietest of the three lately.
You'll want GE and Scienter up there... If one of them is innocent, B-Ray's a good suspect.
Vote: God Emperor
Didn't make a joke about you in this thread! ;)
:laugh4: Just kill Chaotix whenever you feel like you have the time
Edit: If it is of any interest, you might want to notice that no one is trying to save me. Not even me ^^ (aside from this post that is :p)
That's not a good argument for you to live. Pretending not to care about if you live or die is common mafia strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by God Emperor
Unvote, vote: God Emperor
and a very honest strategy when I am town ^^ I don't mind being lynched, just focus and Chaotix and.. what is his name *checking* , thelastdays, when I am dead
You'll need to unvote first Visorslash, this is just an extension, not a revote like last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Thanks.
Unvote; Vote: God Emperor
Voting closed.
Clinton, Iowa
Day 4
After four miserable, muddy days, it seemed that a consensus was at last starting to emerge amongst the campers, although "survivors" would probably at this point be a better descriptor of their status. Instead of having votes haphazardly flung every which way, it seemed that the survivors were finally realizing the desperation of their situation and exercising greater concentration. Camps, of the metaphorical variety, were starting to form. Voting blocs emerged. When once there were nine or even ten viable candidates, now there were only three.
Of course now, the biggest problem was breaking the deadlock between the three: Chaotix, God Emperor, and Scienter. All three candidates seemed viable. All three seemed to have cases, and at the same time the arguments for each of their guilt had some holes in it. It was a combination of these factors that had voting continue for a much longer period than usual, deeper into the night. Over time, each faction seemed to gain and lose steam. Coherent arguments were being made.
It was almost as if... people were actually working together.
In the end, while this new strategy may have been good for the campers as a whole as they faced this doom, it was most certainly not good for God Emperor, who ended up as the clear "winner" after the marathon voting session. Immediately starting to twitch, God Emperor looked around every which way, closely marking the positions of all of the logs and all of the scattered fires going around the campground. At the very least, he was not going to be taken by surprise, definitely so since the sun wasn't going to go down.
Growing more and more frazzled, God Emperor started staring around even more wildly, which took all of the other campers aback as they slowly started to edge away from him. "Well?" he cried out after some minutes, a crazed look in his eye, "What's it gonna be? Have at it, then! Finish me off! I SAID FINISH ME!!!!!!"
Nobody moved.
"So what now??!" God Emperor said. "What's the matter, can't kill anybody if you can't take them by surprise? You know what, all of you are - *gack!*"
God Emperor went down to the ground, groaning and clutching his chest. It had turned out that all of this excitement was simply too much for his heart, and he literally died of fright.
Day 4 tally:
God Emperor: 6 (TheLastDays, Csargo, B_Ray, JHT, ATPG, Visorslash) :skull:
Chaotix: 2 (God Emperor, Scienter)
Scienter: 2 (Andres, khaan)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: 10
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
B_Ray
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
It is now Night 4. This phase will last for approximately 24 hours.
Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.
EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.
They did, actually.
I finally have an opinion. Well, getting there anyway.
Coherent with "Scienter is GE's scum partner"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Oh, man, I only wish I could get to be mafia with ATPG, because I know we would make it look so genuine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Unfortunately, I've never had the pleasure.
Oh well.. I can still haunt the thread ^_^Although you guys seem awfully sure of yourself ! :stare:
It really would be a pleasure, sir. :bow: Maybe someday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
Man, this totally doesn't sound like WIFOM or anything like that. There's no chance either me or you will get any votes at all tomorrow. Nope.
Irrelevant, now that he's dead. Kicking a corpse when he's down? What for, oh fellow blueberry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I predict that you and Chaotix are scum, actually.Quote:
EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.
The point of the line you just dropped like a big fake dooky, is not only that you'll be voting for me shortly, but also distancing yourself from Chaotix, so when I inevitably think you're scum, I also don't think Chaotix is scum.
And so, you and Chaotix are now my top suspects. Thanks for assisting me.
DE: Yaseikhaan, DE, Csargo, Reenk, TLDQuote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Chaotix: ATPG, JHT, Visor, Andres.
Distancing tactic. DE is still in the lead.
DE (re)votes for Chaotix, Andres switches to DE, which is nonsensical from any perspective.
He never intended to vote for Chaotix. He wants to distance himself from Chaotix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
He's done it at least twice this game, to act like he wants Chaotix to die, but no.
Since when are we supposed to post only relevant posts in a mafia game?
And how is having an opinion about another player, dead or alive, irrelevant? Say X was lynched round 1. In round 6, in retrospect and after re-reading, X sounded really, really scummy and there's a relation with Y, who is still alive in the final round. The analysis of X is important then.
So, saying that expressing an opinion about a dead player is irrelevant is nonsense.
The Chaotix and DE thing; as you must have seen, I made a big post in capital letters to complain about silence being broken. Voting Chaotix, because "he talks too much", clearly builds further on that joke post. You will also have noted that my activity in that period of the game was very, very low. It should be obvious that I really didn't have a clue, so I switched to DE for no other reason than the fact that he happened to be online and said he lied.
You're trying to make a case out of nothing.
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Originally Posted by Andres
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Originally Posted by Andres
In the second quote, you're guilty. You're also very serious. And, you're serious for basically the first time in that game.
Gosh, why does that sound like the exact reasoning you just used on me "and Chaotix"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
And it turns out, in that game, you and Beskar stood apart from one another and accused each other too.
You're behaving exactly like you did in another game where you were scum. Same tactics. Same behavioral tics. Same reactions to pressure.
Suddenly Serious Andres is Suddenly Very Guilty.
Reference: Pick your power
There's also much hypocrisy in your post.
While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.
If there's a connection between scum buddies, than it's between you and Chaotix.
Nope! :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Accusing me of hypocrisy? Andres, Andres, Andres.... I am a townie. I can do anything I like, and it doesn't make me guilty. Hypocrisy is the very weakest accusation one can level against someone. It's a mafia game, where we lie, bluff, gambit, and kill. And townies lynch the mafia for being murderers. And we accuse people for accusing people. And we have already been over this so many times in so many games.
Cry "hypocrisy!", scum, and die with that word on your tongue.
And how many times has it allowed the scum to slip by unnoticed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Way to miss the point:
I carefully mentioned that there may be a connection between two scumbuddies, and you immediately jump at me with walls of text, attacking me from all angles. What you are not doing is addressing my point. In fact, you completely ignore it.Quote:
While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.
Attack is the best defense, eh?
You can throw walls of text at me as much as you want, the fact remains that you have been focusing on Chaotix for a long time, yet when the time comes to vote, you withdraw.
Two possiblities:
a) you're connected;
b) you wanted to keep your scapegoat alive.
I think it's b) and you're scum. Together with Scienter. The connection between you and Chaotix is too obvious to be a connection between scumbuddies. The connection between you and Scienter is much more subtle. In the previous round, you flattered me (scumtell) by saying my gut is golden, yet somehow you ended up voting God Emperor.
You're certainly demonstrating such, both in this game and the other one I quoted you from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Your tactic is the same. Attack the case. Go in with questions. Go on the offensive.
Attack the case, because even if the case is right, you can try to undermine it, by discrediting it.
It doesn't matter if the case is correct IF people no longer have any faith in it because:
1) The accuser is somehow hypocritical
2) You can pick on one thing you know may not be true, and focus on that
3) You can dismiss it as walls of text.
Yes, but when I voted for Chaotix, I put him INTO a tie, allowing an unknown tiebreaker event to possibly sudden death lynch "my partner".Quote:
You can throw walls of text at me as much as you want, the fact remains that you have been focusing on Chaotix for a long time, yet when the time comes to vote, you withdraw.
You, on the other hand, have never actually placed Chaotix in any danger whatsoever.
Your gut is in fact golden, when you are townie.Quote:
I think it's b) and you're scum. Together with Scienter. The connection between you and Chaotix is too obvious to be a connection between scumbuddies. The connection between you and Scienter is much more subtle. In the previous round, you flattered me (scumtell) by saying my gut is golden, yet somehow you ended up voting God Emperor.
But, your scum is in fact showing, when you are MAFIA.
I just said I don't think Chaotix is your partner in the post right above yours' :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizza
It's ATPG and Scienter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
And above that, still, you say something else, which is precisely what I'm referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
:beam:
Especially love the rolleyes, that's a nice touch.
Who wants to bet its actually ATPG and Andres?
Lynch Andres first, then me. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Doubt ATPG is mafia.
Doubt your doubting abilities.
Don't you have thought processes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Also, "Il n'y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis". Only a fool never changes his opinion.
Lynch Pizza and Scienter, then worship me for being a genius :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I'd laugh if one of those dies tonight. So much for your theories.
Wait, what? I thought Chaotix and I were scumbuddies? :laugh4: How are Pizza and I connected?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Tsk, Andres. I'm not moved by that. You criticize the thought process, you criticize the case, you'll criticize the accuser, but it doesn't matter if I found the right answer by rolling DICE, if the answer is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
You may reserve the right to change your opinion, as often as you please. I'm simply theorizing that your opinions haven't been genuine in the first place.Quote:
Also, "Il n'y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis". Only a fool never changes his opinion.
Scienter will of course, go on past this whole charade where I get Andres and Chaotix lynched, and even though I will die in the process, I shall be vindicated when my she-scum partner lasts to the final round. You'll tremble as you place your votes on her, wondering if I could be that ballsy. But you stand firm, because you know that I can indeed. And you'll lynch her. And you'll be right. But, you'll be so very surprised... why would I play the WIFOM game if I know you're going to call my bluff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
The answer, my friend, is as plain as the cheese on my pizza pie. Because I am Askthepizzaguy, and my reputation must be preserved no matter the cost! For I am VAIN!!! Curse my enormous ego. Weep for me, townies, I'm too narcissistic to play this game properly...
:drama1:
Also, Scienter showing up right now is convenient timing. All too convenient, you see, because Andres accused her of being scum and she just couldn't help herself. I always fall into my own scumtell traps. Woe.
:bounce:
You're still guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
And yet, it's still correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I think you sticking to the attack is your way of showing you can't handle the pressure. You're guilty.
I want to hear from Csargo.Quote:
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
B_Ray
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
I've already admitted my scummery! I've already admitted Scienter is my partner! But now, I'm focusing on bringing down fake mafioso/true townie Andres so I can score much lulz before this game ends! Don't you get it??? There's no need for me to defend the indefensible. Now I'm going for the gusto. I intend for the audience to shower me with roses and gold coins when my masterful performance is complete!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I could respond seriously to you, but when has that ever brought me good fortune? I'd rather post sexy pictures of Kagemusha, it gets my point across better.
It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Even so, you have to admit that Kagemusha is incredibly sexy. If you don't, they will all know you're lying, and therefore mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
CONFESS!!
You know, I really like cheese.
Then my evil plan has finally paid off. Now you shall drain every last dime from your bank account as you order pizza after pizza, day after day, until your stomach bursts from the blockage, and I've made off with all your dimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
HAHA! I don't have any dimes!
And now you know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Because I spent it on that knife you wanted. It was for your birthday. Do you like it?
I'm giggling in my grave here guys.
How dare you. Mafia is srz bzns.
I didn't like this either initially, but reading it once more, there is the possibility given the game mechanics of no reveals that he is trying to determine the guilt of one already killed, which is understandable and not actually irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
This is a bit contrived, but I can see where the connection would be, so this might be worth going for a bit. I don't think it's any stronger than Andres pointing out the obvious bickering between you and Chaotix as a screen either though.Quote:
I predict that you and Chaotix are scum, actually.
The point of the line you just dropped like a big fake dooky, is not only that you'll be voting for me shortly, but also distancing yourself from Chaotix, so when I inevitably think you're scum, I also don't think Chaotix is scum.
And so, you and Chaotix are now my top suspects. Thanks for assisting me.
I think Chaotix being at the center of these two accusations is pretty interesting though. At this point (could change after the kill is posted) I would lynch Chaotix even though I think both cases aren't great, because they are some of the only somewhat explicit cases right now, also because of his centrality to both of them, and I'm not sure on this but I think he voted for me this game and we can't leave any of those type of people alive.
I think your refutation of his case is decent, so I'm wondering why you make a case on him out of nothing as well? Granted, Atpg hasn't tried to refute the case like you have. He has basically resorted to sarcastic dismissals of it, maybe implicitly stating that such an obvious joking link shouldn't be taken seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
But he could counter that he did not X in a very similar Y situation with a Z alignment. And I'm betting there is an example of that out there. Furthermore, as Andres has pointed out (later), your behavior in this game has taken the turn of your previous X behavior in similar situation Y with Z alignment. What does this show? Almost nothing by itself. Even tied in with a preexisting case it reeks of being forced. Not really a good sign, either for a townie or mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Let's focus on the cases dealing mainly and mostly with in game actions, like we have so far. It seems to be the best analytical method (I can't believe I used the positively connotated superlative best to modify analytical methods :shame: - anyway do note operative word analytical, I don't wish to imply at all that it is the best method in general).
Hypocrisy requires that the wideranging milieu of the posts in question are similar. Maybe Atpg won't see it that way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
This is a good reply. You should have made your implied accusations of connection a bit more explicit though. I also think you should have pushed the Chaotix unvote thing further.Quote:
While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.
If there's a connection between scum buddies, than it's between you and Chaotix.
But I must ask, Atpg seemed to imply that you unovted Chaotix for DE when it was kind of close (though DE was still in the lead). What was the situation like when he unvoted Chaotix for DE? More tight?
I agree that a charge of hypocrisy is fairly weak when trying to adduce guilt, but I think Andres was crying hypocrisy in your case against him, which (as he sees it though not entirely unreasonably) is similar to a case that can be applied to you (and which he has tried to apply).Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
The hypocrisy charge seems to be used as a defensive stratagem against your accusation rather than an accusatory method. Fairly good response by Andres I'd say.
I did note that defensiveness as well. It should be kept in mind, but nervous flinching is hardly damning and shouldn't be used as such at this point. We have a lot more to go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Somewhat off topic: attack is the best defense. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORxD2KFQ4oo
FINALLY ANDRES. :wall: Could you not have made this clear earlier so it would look a lot worse when evasion was employed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
What the ****? K, maybe thatreaction was too strong, but you seem to be throwing away the entire Chaotix connection but still using it as a guilt indicator. :dizzy2: This might work IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY SHOWN US WHAT THE CONNECTION TO SCIENTER WAS. So do that for us now Andres, please.Quote:
I think it's b) and you're scum. Together with Scienter. The connection between you and Chaotix is too obvious to be a connection between scumbuddies. The connection between you and Scienter is much more subtle. In the previous round, you flattered me (scumtell) by saying my gut is golden, yet somehow you ended up voting God Emperor.
Are you accusing him of hypocrisy as a defensive tactic also? BOTH OF YOU DO SOMETHING NEW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
This is what I wanted to see from you earlier. Andres, this is a good reply, how will you respond?Quote:
Yes, but when I voted for Chaotix, I put him INTO a tie, allowing an unknown tiebreaker event to possibly sudden death lynch "my partner".
You, on the other hand, have never actually placed Chaotix in any danger whatsoever.
Why are YOU getting evasive now Andres? I want to see your response to Atpg's differentiation between his connection to Chaotix and yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Up until now, you were attacking hard and saying (some) things worth listening to, whereas Atpg was generally in sarcastic and evasive mode. Atpg finally pulls out a good punch and you have nothing to say about it? This is bad.
By the way, still haven't elaborated on this subtle connection between Atpg and Scienter.
That second statement was obviously an earlier statement than the first, which he later took back in an attempt to elaborate his most current case. I don't understand why you would quote them together? To make Andres look bad and contradictory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
You could have pointed out that he really never made much of a case against Scienter instead...
I want to know this too. Maybe it is legit, who knows? But the only connection I can remember is that you and Atpg voted closely a round or two earlier. That is QUITE subtle indeed Andres :rolleyes:, can you elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scienter
I can fully understand being tired of responding to Atpg after a while, and while the post you quoted and then summarized as blah blah blah might not be deserving of anything, his earlier post about the Chaotix connection certainly was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
All you've seem to do is respond to Atpg's off-hand statements and weaker arguments. YOU are the one (at this stage) who has completely avoided the main point.
I mean, it's not like his post was unanswerable. When reading it, I immediately came up with a response suggesting plausible deniability. I'm just wondering why you didn't.
He did defend himself though. Why aren't you responding instead of continually attacking him now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Oh god. :rolleyes: It's not unusual for Reenk to start sounding frustrated when Andres doesn't respond to the most important part of the last 30 posts and all of this bluster and banter gets thrown around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
By the way, since you seem to be implying that Atpg in a way consistent of him being mafia, I've personally seen him do the same kind of sarcasm and jokey schtick as town when he is pressured.
I do wish that instead of doing that, he gutted you for your evasion.
tl;dr
Pending kill, Chaotix and now Andres seem like the best lynch. Especially if Andres wont (cant?) respond to Atpg and also elaborate about Scienter.
I think Andres did a good job digging his own grave in the second half of this long discussion. He sounds very suspicious. And he wasted a pretty strong performance early on.
Andres never responds to the most important parts of your accusations, even when he's a townie. I think it must be a lawyer thing.
There's something I wanted to highlight, but I have to go out for a while.
Clinton, Iowa
Night 4
It was of no use.
He had been trying to fight it for a few hours now, but there were just some things - primal urges, one might say - that could not go ignored. Tossing and turning in what passed for a bed out here in soggy Clinton, Iowa, he finally gave up. The urges called to him. They would not be denied. With a purpose, the camper finally threw off his covers and sat up straight, reaching out for several possessions that might be of value to him in the journey ahead.
Flashlight? Check. Knife? Check. Chainsaw? Check. Air horn? Check. Every road warrior of America worth his salt knew that it was better to be safe than sorry. Doubly so in this case, heading out in the middle of the night to complete a duty when in all likelihood there was at least one, possibly still two, criminally insane fugitive murderers on the loose, not just in the general vicinity but actually on the same premises too.
B_Ray stepped out of his tent, armed to the teeth, ready to do battle with the menaces of the night. But first, the actual reason why he stepped out of his tent and was tossing and turning for the better part of two hours. He sauntered off to the woods, unzipped himself, and prepared to do his business - since there were no toilets of any sort on the campground.
Unfortunately, he had been watched for the entire time. As prepared as a man can be, as dangerous and alert, somebody is always most vulnerable when going to the bathroom. You were trained from birth to keep entirely focused on the task at hand, and it would take quite a lot to break out of that habit. Four traumatic days were certainly helping with this, but despite all of that they were still only four days. B_Ray needed more time.
And so, as B_Ray was relieving himself in the middle of the thick woods at roughly two in the morning, haphazardly checking around every now and then for signs of movement, it did not even dawn on him that he was missing a key quadrant in his checks - the one from above. B_Ray did not have any time to take out his knife, or chainsaw, or airhorn, or even properly zip back up before his attacked had dive-bombed him from 20 feet above in the nearest tree.
So, the only sound made that night after all was that of B_Ray's bones shattering on impact, enough force acting on him to kill him instantly. His killer, looking pleased with himself, took B_Ray's various equipment for himself and sauntered out of the woods.
The next morning, everyone gathered around nervously while another headcount was being taken. The result was what everyone had feared - they were now down to single digits. This would only serve to compound the increasing sense of urgency the campers had been feeling in recent days, as they prepared for yet another difficult day ahead.
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Still alive: 9
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
It is now Day 5. This phase will conclude in approximately 24 hours.
Quote:
Originally Posted by God Emperor
Something about this pair of posts struck me as unnatural coming from Andres. I can't put it into words well, I'm too tired. Just if Andres really was considering GE as scum, why does he bounce off onto ATPG and Chaotix (one of a hypothetically scummy GE's scapegoats, by the way) instead of following up on the implications regarding GE? If he does do that, why preface it with "also" (implying a continuation which is not there) instead of something something like "although", as you might expect if someone had actually just had a drastic shift in their train of thought?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
It looks more like the underlying thought process might be "hmm, I could paint GE as scummy, anyone else?" ... "ooh, ATPG and Chaotix might work too". That does have the continuation implied by that "also".
Yeah, I realize I've dropped to a new low here, suspecting someone on the basis of one word.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
:no:
@Reenk
Yes, Pizza has put Chaotix into the tie. One of the reasons I don't think they're scumbuddies and why I said it's probably option b), Chaotix is Pizza's scapegoat.
I never made a case against Scienter. I've always said it was a strong gut feeling.
Vote : Scienter
I sometimes do that. Thinking out loud. G_E's posts did sound scummy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
You're reading a lot in that 'also'. I edited my post. I said one thing, minutes later, I also wanted to say another thing.
I admit to be guilty of usually not addressing the stronger parts of my opponents case and hitting hard on the weaker parts, making sure the stronger parts of the opponents' case don't get too much attention. Sorry :grin:
Now this I don't get, after all the case(s) you brought forward you won't vote for ATPG but rather for someone who you have a gut feeling for?
I'm not saying that I'm sure ATPG is scum, rather I have a hard time buying your arguments, Andres...
Likewise.
Andres, why did you change your vote during the DE/Chaotix runoff?
I value my gut feelings higher than my ability to analyse posts and behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
So, for all the talk about ATPG, I will first follow my gut feeling against Scienter.
ATPG asked me that question too and I already answered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
My Chaotix vote was a 'logical' follow-up of my previous joke post. Then I voted D_E because he was around and said he was a liar. As I said, I wasn't very active had the time and hadn't been following the game closely, so I was fine with any of those two lynched. Fate decided I had to vote Diamondeye. If Chaotix would have posted after that interaction, I might have switched back to him again for being too noisy.
Thing is I sort of agree with your "gut feel" on Scienter, but I want you lynched as well. If I were looking for the sort of unserious mutual bussing you originally accused AtPG and Chaotix of anywhere else, it would be you and Scienter. You give her a nice friendly poke on day two, she eventually votes you back (way late in the day, no consequences). There was nothing between you on day three IIRC. I have not yet reviewed day four, really, was there anythign there?
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Originally Posted by Renata
Again? Why do you hate me?
Answered my own question: at 4 votes chaotix to 2 or so on GE (and none on scienter), Andres switched to Scienter on the basis of a gut feeling, making it 4-1. Khaan went with the gut feeling, and AtPG later switched from Chaotix to Scienter to produce the 3-way tie.
Hmm, not sure. At the moment I'd be roughly equally happy with either Andres or Scienter being lynched.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Why were you advocating Scienter and ATPG as scum partners last night when ATPG put her into an end-of-day tie for the lead? What reasoning? (Skimmed most of last night, still catching up really.)
Vote: Andres
Then Chaotix. Or, Chaotix, then Andres. Either one is perfectly acceptable to me.
Vote: Andres
I'm pretty sure the key to our scum is somewhere in that three way tie. Andres vote switch was the action that stuck out most to me.
Can you tell us why you think Atpg is innocent please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Also what do you think of john here. He rouses my suspicion for some reason. I would have killed him already if I was Mafia.
Hmm, fair enough on the evasion part then. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
But now I find your case to be really contrived. I mean, Atpg and Chaotix have this clear connection but it is because Atpg wants to use it as a screen for Scienter. Also, if this is what you think, why aren't you voting for Atpg. Certainly he's been flagged more, already has a vote on him, and will be an easier lynch than Scienter who probably won't get a big showing given the thing with you and Atpg/Chaotix.
I missed a lot while I was at work! Vote:Andres sure is trying hard to get me killed. I wonder if he'll kill me during the night phase if he can't get me lynched. :wink:
Day One. Late and unnecessary vote change from Scienter (who was never in danger of lynch) to Who Am I. ATPG's change made it 3 for Who Am I, 3 for Zack, and 2 for Reenk. You are a townie, and Zack probably was, therefore ATPG's not saving a scumbuddy by making this shift. Nor does he seem to be doing it for "look how townie I am reasons" (although it was a solid move given Zack's unlikely-to-be-scum behavior) -- he never makes an issue of it then or later. It looks townie to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
As well he appears to come out much the better in the debate with Andres from last night, though I haven't read that closely enough to be really confident.
Absent putting Zack in the lead on day one, my overall impression is "safe". He voted one-offs on days two and three and is going with Andres here.Quote:
Also what do you think of john here. He rouses my suspicion for some reason. I would have killed him already if I was Mafia.
Why was I killed? I thought laying low was scummy behavior, and therefore, I shouldn't have been a target. Oh well. I'd vote for Andres this round.
Dead men don't talk. :P
Vote: Csargo
Wherefore are thou, Csargo?
I think we should be past voting for people just because they don't show up right now...
Or not showing up at all. I want to hear his opinion. That's all.
Why me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Cause I noticed you first.