The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

Alive (24)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus


Killed (4) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink

Lynched (2) :

TinCow
Tevashzat

WoG/Suicide (0):

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GH vote abstain Post 325
CA vote abstain post 336
FH vote abstain post 339
Ibn-khaldun votes Seirekhaan post 341
ATPG votes Rythmic post 342 Unvotes, Votes GH post 347, Unvotes, Votes Beefy post 396
Boudica votes FactionHeir post 343
Yoyoma votes Jolt post 354
Sigurd votes GH post 355
Shlin votes GH post 358, unvotes, votes FactionHeir post 397
Glyphz votes YLC post 362
Sk votes ATPG post 384
Seamus votes Abstain post 390

Abstain: 4 votes
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FactionHeir: 2 votes
Seireikhaan: 1 votes
Beefy: 1 votes
Jolt: 1 votes
GeneralHankerchief: 1 votes
YLC: 1 votes
ATPG: 1 votes

Meh, I can confirm GH's thing too, I got bored too. So I guess the doctors should be covering him now that the mafia will be gunning for him.

Again guys, I am just a townie. Don't be fooled into thinking Reenk was a good role or that I was a mafia b/c am, again am still a townie.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankercheif

Reenk's behavior was actively detrimental to the town.

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I respectfully disagree. The reasons for why can be found in my sent down tablet. I don't really want to flat out explain my behavior while the Mafia are still working.

To the town, the Isabelle theory that TinCow is now giving is absolutely off base. I actually advise people to stop thinking about me at this stage, I don't know why anyone would still be bringing me up except to confound the town...

Also, keep YLC in your sights... :wink2:

With the worst timing in the universe, I must get going. GeneralHankerchief is no longer in the lead, and I refuse to bandwagon FactionHeir without a good cause. I leave it up to you abstaining votes to decide this one.

I believe I have a good reason to vote Beefy, and it's more than an OMGUS vote. It's the claim that it's random and his consistent efforts that don't sit well.

I am not a fan of FactionHeir's efforts so far, but I don't have enough criticism of him to justify going after him yet.

Consider my tally above to be part of my apology to town.

Voting concluded.

Stand by for execution.

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 3 - Conclusion

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The Temple of Hadrianus - 9.00 pm.

All tourists had a grim expression on their faces. They stared at each other in silence.

One of them stood up and started to point his finger at a random tourist.

"It's him!"

"Who? Me? Why is that?"

"No," another one said, "it's him!"

The athletic man intervened. "Come on now, this won't get us nowhere..."

"Shut up! You annoy me!" a tourist yelled. "Just because you have muscles doesn't mean you're allowed to bossing us around!"

The athletic man stared at the tourist, an ice cold look in his eyes.

"Well, ok, eh, nevermind. But that senile :daisy: has to shut up, he annoys me as well! With his hysterical screaming and yelling!"

Ice cold eyes made the tourist silent again.

Another tourist started to talk. It was a long, long, long, very long monologue.

Fingers were being pointed at each other and all of the sudden, GeneralHankerchief found himself surrounded by angry faces and shaking fists.

"It's you! You! You!"

The athletic man already picked up the sword and the gun and slowly walked towards the agitated crowd when all of the sudden, some of them slowly walked back.

"No, it's not him! It's him!"

FactionHeir looked up and sneezed. He took his twentieth handkerchief of the day. "Oh, I feel terrible. What a nasty cold I have."

"Yeah, it's got to be him, catching a cold while it's 30 °C at night. If that's not scummy behaviour... I know scummy behaviour when I see it" one of the tourists said, trying to look like an experienced detective of some sort.

"But..." (sneezes again) "I have done nothing! Come on, you've seen me the last days. I've been sick as hell, I can barely walk two metres without sneezing, how could I have possibly killed somebody?"

"Hear, that sneezing sound, it sounds exactly like that hysterical laughter!"

"Yeah! It's definitely him!"

The athletic man slowly walked towards FactionHeir.

"Stand up boy! It seems like it ends here for you. The gun or the blade?"

Pale as a wedding dress, FactionHeir stared at the man. Can't I have a handkerchief instead?

The man pointed the gun at FactionHeir and shot him between the eyes. He threw a clean handkerchief at the body.

"Sorry boy..."

The crowd looked at the late FactionHeir. None of them really looked very confident about their actions of the day.

One of the tourists slowly got up.

"Let us all get to sleep. We can all use a good nights' rest."

The tourists left the scene, looking for a good spot to sleep.

Several wondered when this nightmare would finally end...

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Tally:


FactionHeir : 2 (boudica, shlin28) :skull:

GeneralHankerchief : 1 (Sigurd)
Jolt : 1 (Yoyoma1910)
'khaan : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
187Beefyz: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 ('khaan)
YLC: 1 (glyphz)
Abstain : 4 (GH, CountArach, FactionHeir, Seamus Fermanagh)

Not voted : 12 (Jolt, Rythmic, Tiberius, Beefy, Chaotix, Quintus.JC, YLC, w&f, Lord Winter, Caius, El Diablo, Ignoramus)

Alive (23)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus


Killed (4) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink

Lynched (3) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir

WoG/Suicide (0):


It's now night. PM's please.

Night will last for +/- 24 hours

OK......why did you guys kill FH?:shrug:......shlin and bodica are up to something....:inquisitive:

This where things are going to get funny - my luck, GH is dead tomorrow, by a blade no less. I'd have preferred that ATPG had died instead, but alas...

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Originally Posted by YLC

This where things are going to get funny - my luck, GH is dead tomorrow, by a blade no less. I'd have preferred that ATPG had died instead, but alas...

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Why are you pretending to be a killer?

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Why are you pretending to be a killer?

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I've never once pretended to be a killer RR, where do you get that? I sent a PM to you with an idle threat that I could only follow up with by trying to force a confrontation between me and you during the night phase so I could severely discredit it you. However, you were killed that night, and thus by sheer coincidence, I was implicated in it. My post following never once indicated that I killed you, only that you got what you deserved in my eyes.

BAH! your all evil! all lynches from now on should be a simple process of tieing up and killing the horde of tourists! This is how terrorism happens! Last time i go abroad if theres something like a 4/28 chance i'll be killed every night :sweatdrop:

Sorry for missing the voting.

I will post my defense next day

Well, dammit. I must apologize for missing not one, but two day phases and lynchings. I've been really busy with school lately, and just keeping up with the insane amount of posts when possible has left me with no time to formulate a theory and vote afterwards...

I will strive to be more active from now on. Right now, ATPG actually seems kind of scummy to me, although he's supposedly confirmed his own innocence by his inactivity. :shrug: I dunno, something about his argument with GH made him seem noticeably different from his other games- perhaps his lack of truly solid points?

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Originally Posted by Chaotix27

Well, dammit. I must apologize for missing not one, but two day phases and lynchings. I've been really busy with school lately, and just keeping up with the insane amount of posts when possible has left me with no time to vote afterwards...

I will strive to be more active from now on. Right now, ATPG actually seems kind of scummy to me, although he's supposedly confirmed his own innocence by his inactivity. :shrug: I dunno, something about his argument with GH made him seem noticeably different from his other games- perhaps his lack of truly solid points?

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Right now, theres hardly any solid points. Only solid thing which could lead us to the guilty is probably the possibility of hints in the write ups (the statues) and posting style which should start getting more obvious in later rounds.

I myself am starting to find ATPG extremely suspicious...and I am not sure why...something in his posts...

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

Right now, theres hardly any solid points. Only solid thing which could lead us to the guilty is probably the possibility of hints in the write ups (the statues) and posting style which should start getting more obvious in later rounds.

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So, what do y'all want to know about the statues?

Well, whaddaya know about the statues, huh?

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Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910

So, what do y'all want to know about the statues?

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Anything. If its even worth investigating into the statues. If you can find a possible link to the murders, that will be great

The image is of a Statue known as the "Beautiful Artemis," as opposed to the "Great Artemis," both of which would be found at the museum. There were many copies of this statue found.

The original version would have been Ionian, from around 550 BCE (before common era), but was destroyed, later reproduced, and destroyed again.

This particular one would have been a later production, as you can tell by the more refined styling. Likely 1st century CE (common era).


"The Great Artemis" has a larger head dress, and is from about a century later.


The "Temple of Artemis" was considered to be one of the Ancient Wonders of the world, and is one of the main reasons people flock to Ephesus, as a tourist destination.


The two creatures at her side are felines, similar to imagery of Cybele.

The many ball shaped object are thought to be: breasts, bull testicles, or possibly eggs. This design element can be traced back to the Geometric period (approx. 900-700 BCE).

Okay I'm caught up. Just for clarification, I asked to be taken out but Andres PM'd me giving me a WOG free week I'll be active from now on.

Pizza is diffidently drawing my suspicions. He started out with a fairly apathetic stance daring the mafia to kill him. Day III though he turns around and blindly drives at GH, only yielding when it appears he's safe. Merits closer attention.

Woah ...

Sorry about not participating at a crucial point in the game yesterday.

Good to see others making sure that GH was not lynched. I too got an obscure PM from Andres on the first night about listening to a boring old man.
I didn't know what to make of it, but now I know.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...96#post2099096 (1/4)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...77#post2098677 (1/3)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...75#post2094075 (12/28)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...86#post2093686 (12/27)


Explain how I've just proven you were online, not only online, but posting in this forum, on both days of two consecutive weekends.

Why, if you are a townie, would you post such a blatant lie?

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It is simple. Its called Christmas Vacation. When we have a said vacation, we don't have to be in a distant city studying. We can be at home, where he have a thing called internet. Explained?

EDIT: "Never" was a bad choice of words. "Never" meant: "Never (Better yet "Very, very rarely", since I have cousins in Lisbon to whose houses I rarely go in the weekend which do have internet) when I'm staying in Lisbon (City where I study)". I can confirm, however, that I shall possibly be in the internet, the forthcoming weekend as I'll be going home on this weekend.

EDIT 2 (Just had the opportunity to stroll around the thread for reasons about lynching or not):

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Jolt:
Last Activity: Today 05:50
I've already questioned his behavior in this thread. Not a happy camper until he explains how he could possibly have been so mistaken.

Look at his posting style. His votes seem thoughtless, and his words undermine his innocence. No offense Jolt, and nothing personal. Indeed, I enjoy your posting outside of this game. In this one, you're just making me suspicious of you.

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Main explanation given, my votes are rather thoughtless because I only voted in the first day and this is my first Mafia game. And no worries, I don't mind getting lynched (It's just a game.). I'm townie since I didn't even know what other roles, those could do (Didn't know mafia guys killed in the night, didn't know they could be investigated, and I don't know what "blocking" is, though I suppose it is a byword for investigating?).
Still, its fun I'm suspected. >_> makes for all the suspense.

Just as for Yoyoama's reason to vote for me, yeah I didn't even know if I was allowed to use other games as an argument for defence, but apparently its alright (Since noone said anything wrong).

EDIT 3: Since I'm leaving college where I have internet, I will only post a reply to anyone & vote tomorrow. Curious I have to say my activity in these forums so people won't lynch me. >_>

EDIT 4 (Missed this one):

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Please explain yourself on this, a couple of days off-line never clears anyone off crime, and now others have been accusing you of blantly lying; this is particularly foolish for a mafia to do, and assuming you're town, what is the reason for you to lie?

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That is covered by my main response. It was a poor choice of words, and neither was I aware that the way I said things meant so much in this game.

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

OK......why did you guys kill FH?:shrug:......shlin and bodica are up to something....:inquisitive:

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Ok - When I voted FactionHeir it was - as i said at the time - at the bidding of the ghost of TinCow, who suggested we might coax some of the more veteran players who were lurking out of the shadows. WHen I logged in to check, FH hadn't responded and no-one else had voted so i didn't think to change my vote.

Hindsight is of course a marvellous thing and given that the write up makes plain that FH was inactive due to being bunged up with mucus and slightly ga-ga on night nurse, he was clearly not the correct choice for the lynch.

Having said that, I'd hope that maybe lynching an inactive townie with a contagious bacterial infection - instead of a boring old man who seems to be able to block people - should turn out to be the lesser of two evils.

RIP snot-boy FactionHeir

I wouldn't feel too bad about FH. Someone had to be lynched and with the deaths of Tevash and RR, there weren't any good targets left. It's a shame he didn't get an opportunity to defend himself, but that's somewhat inevitable when we get a last minute vote change scramble.

Barring the arrival of more interesting evidence in the next night write-up, I would urge a closer look at Sigurd and Quintus.JC. They were both blocked on the first night, when there was only one kill. It's possible that the mafia only chose to kill one person that night, but it's also possible GH got lucky.

Anyways, editted my reply so much so to better word it, that it looks like a new post altogether.

EDIT: My last post before this one. *sigh*

Seems that everyone is answering the questions that ATPG has put to them.
Apparently I am a "borderline lurker" probably true and about to get worse when I go on holiday in a couple of days (will attempt to get online at some stage).

However as for posting a question and then doing nothing about it?

I wanted to know if anyone knew the importance of the statue of Artemis being destroyed. I have no real knowledge of this game or story (people talking about Isabella and whoever) so I was trying to point out things in the write up that may trigger someones memory as it did nothing to mine.

No one replies - I assumed it was done for drama?

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Originally Posted by White Eyes

OK......why did you guys kill FH?:shrug:......shlin and bodica are up to something....:inquisitive:

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Yes... if we were working together to take on FH, we could voted him earlier, but no, we vote him like an hour before the lynch. No mafia would cut it this close :no:

To: ATPG

I am on invisible mode because I have it on for 2 years, and regarding the tallies... well, I only did them cos I was bored :sweatdrop:

The Scourge of Ephesus - Night 4 - Conclusion

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The ancient theater - 1.00 am

A shady figure strided over the sands of the theater.

He looked around him and noticed the enveloppe.

The man picked it up and read the short note inside it.

He grinned and walked away, calmly.

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Ephesus - later that night.

Two dark figures walked to the new graves of the dead. They both carried shovels.

One of them sighed deeply.

"5 bodies... Damn, I hate this part of my job."

"Me too," his colleague added. "Well, we don't have a choice. Let's start digging."

Both started to dig. They clearly had some experience with this and in no time the five "fresh" bodies could be examined.

"Bah, that smell. I'll never get used to it."

His companion said nothing and passed a sharp knife to his colleague.

"You take those two, I'll take the others. Let's hurry up."

Both started to carve into the bodies, disecting them cautiously.

"Ok. We did what we had to do. Let's get out of here before anyone notices us."

"We leave that as it is?" (points at the bloody mess)

"Yeah, let those idiots burry them again."

Both figures walked away, both carrying their shovel on the right shoulder.

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Ephesus - The remnants of the Artemis temple

The moon was getting fuller every day. Askthepizzaguy was smugly contemplating the latest events here at Ephesus as he strolled along the path to the Temple of Artemis in the moonlight.

“This is even going better than I first planned. If I'm quick, I'll be out of here without anybody noticing it..."

"I wonder what that old man is up to. Oh well, I'll know soon enough. He chuckled a little and stopped dead when he realized that he had made a sound. Making sure that he was alone, he turned and continued towards the temple. “I wonder if John really did write his revelation here like they claim. This place just Reeinks of ancient ghosts”. He laughed out loud and stooped down when the sound echoed in the ruins. As he entered the site, he went to the designated place and waited.

“I hope he isn't too late, I'm dying of curiosity about what he has to tell me”.

"Dying of curiosity, huh?"

A dark shadow leaped down from the ruin wall a few feet from Askthepizzaguy.

The shadow sneered: “So this is what's going on here? You think you can escape me? My sword will liberate you today”. The shadow stepped out in the moonlight and a black clad man with a silver scull embroidered on his chest, drew a sword from the top of his left shoulder.

In the meanwhile, an old man was walking to the the temple of Artemis. He was nearly there when he heard the voices, followed by a horrible scream.

Askthepizzaguy screamed for help and turned away from the man. But before Askthepizzaguy could run away into safety, the sharp edge of the sword had cut through his neck. He fell to the ground, strength gone from every limb. The man in black stood there looking at him, blood dripping from the tip of his sword. “One less to worry over now”.

The man in black with the silver scull listened to the rasping of a struggling breath that finally died out before wiping off his sword on his victim’s clothes. He replaced the sword in its scabbard and jumped back up on the ruin wall and disappeared into the night.

The old man noticed a shadow on the ruin wall. He quickly duck and waited. Then he stood up again only to notice Askthepizzaguy's mutilated body. The old man cursed. How could this have happened? It's impossible!

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The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 4

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The Gate of Augustus - 8.30 am

The tourists gathered near the formidable ancient structure. They found the old man, trembling. He seemed to be talking to himself.

"Impossible! It's impossible! It wasn't supposed to happen! How? How?"

One of the tourists gave him a slap in the face.

"Shut up! Annoying old fool! What's the problem?"

"He found the decapacitated body of Askthepizzaguy. That's the problem." The strong athletic man jumped down from a nearby rock. He stared at the tourist who had slapped the old man. "And you better leave that man alone, or you'll have to deal with me."

Some tourists started to protest.

"Oh yeah? And why should we listen to you? People keep dying! You fool!"

The man draw the attention of the tourists to the blade and gun on his belt.

"Let's start voting, shall we?"

Frustrated, the tourists started to vote. Again...

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Alive (22)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus


Killed (5) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy

Lynched (3) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir

WoG/Suicide (0):


It's day. You can start voting

Day will last for +/- 24 hours.

Good luck :bow:

Note : some participants risk to get WoG'ed at the end of this round.

FWIW, I tried to protect/block ATPG and boudica tonight. I have no idea why I failed.

-edit- Will post the Andres PM as soon as I get it.

Here it is. I guess I just wasn't fast enough, dunno.

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Originally Posted by Andres

You hurried to the place where you were supposed to pick up Askthepizzaguy. You hear voices and a horrible scream. As fast as your old bones can carry you, you run to the temple.

You see a shadow on a wall. Frightened (you're not exactly a hero) you seek cover. You wait a bit and sneak carefully towards the designated spot, only to find ATPG's dead body.

How is this possible? This wasn't supposed to happen! You're starting to tremble, but you still remember your other protégé of the night.

You took boudica with you, to the secret corridor.

You started to tell boudica about Ancient Rome and the history of Turkey.

Like all the others, boudica fell asleep, bored as hell...


Andres.

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Looks to me like a mafia kill on questionable scum. ATPG appears to have had a role, and based on his dialog in the write-up, it doesn't look pro-town. The sword attacker reminds me a lot of the Yakuza mafioso in the first game. In that game, the Yakuza role was particularly good at killing other mafioso and could even defeat them if he was attacked first (which actually happened). Notice the specific dialog that ATPG uses:

“This is even going better than I first planned. If I'm quick, I'll be out of here without anybody noticing it..."

This indicates a goal that seems along the lines of what Günner and Fehrad would want to accomplish. Find an object and survive. Thus, my money is on a Yakuza mafioso offing Günner or Fehrad.

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"This place just Reeinks of ancient ghosts”

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Anyone guess why Reenk wanted to be Killed or lynched now????:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy's death is by blade and not gun, suspecting me to believe it was by the same guy who offed me and not Mafia.

White_eyes:D I never wanted to be lynched, though that clue basically gives my role away I guess...

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Askthepizzaguy's death is by blade and not gun, suspecting me to believe it was by the same guy who offed me and not Mafia.

White_eyes:D I never wanted to be lynched, though that clue basically gives my role away I guess...

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Originally Posted by Night before

The man drew something from atop his left shoulder and before Reenk Roink could utter another word, he felt a sharing pain in his throat. He fell to the ground feeling tired and as his life force ebbed out from the gash in his throat, the shadow bent down and whispered in his ear.

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Originally Posted by Night after

The shadow sneered: “So this is what's going on here? You think you can escape me? My sword will liberate you today”. The shadow stepped out in the moonlight and a black clad man with a silver scull embroidered on his chest, drew a sword from the top of his left shoulder.

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Same M.O:yes:.....yep, you got yourselves a SK/vigilante:yes:

It would appear so - I am trying to look through and figure out, by reading the previous mafia, what roles are. It appears we have grave robbers of some sort, other then that, they are bit inscrutable.

Also, I'd like to point out we had only ONE kill tonight. This makes me suspect Boudica slightly, since it's possible we nailed a killer a while back and thus are down to two and the "grave robbers" are capable of killing, but that's the best lead I have now.

Oops, forgot to add my vote

Vote:Boudica

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Same M.O:yes:.....yep, you got yourselves a SK/vigilante:yes:

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On what basis do you conclude that it is SK/vigilante rather than mafia?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

On what basis do you conclude that it is SK/vigilante rather than mafia?

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silver skull embroidered on his chest

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Ever watch the movie....."The Punisher"?:smg:

I mean...reenk and ATPG...were likely Mafia......:yes:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

On what basis do you conclude that it is SK/vigilante rather than mafia?

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On the differing kill methods... Frankly a more solid base than the Yakuza theory.

Sorry for not being active. I was paying attention to the golden rule game and couldn't convince myself to read the 100s of posts that were piling up in this one. Bad excuse, I know.

So I'll read the thread tonight and then try to be an active participant from now on...

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

School coursework taking its toll...

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

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And the reason is?

I would caution those who vote a certain way because I simply targeted a person at night. There could be a number of explanations for the fluctuating kill rate.

Okay so we have to trends:

1. Scummy people keep getting off'd
2. Grave robbers instead of kills.

For 1. My guess is that its merely the effects of the two mafia famillies going at each other. One familly is clearly trying to eliminate the other before turning on the town. Ethier that or we have a vigillante, but I'm less inclined to belive that. So that means that any scum will e lurking as to not draw suspicision when they don't die. We all know that the players that talk the most always come under the most fire. Or else if there're inexperianced they'll stick out and can be dealt with from there. Nethier of these theroies are perfect, there's some WIFOM that has to be dealt with but its a thought.

My guess for the kill rate differences is the Mafia has some sort of investigation power that they can use as an alternative for killing.

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Originally Posted by Quintus.JC

School coursework taking its toll...



And the reason is?

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Gut or natural instincts.. Take your pick :clown: See now im good as dead :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Lord Winter

My guess for the kill rate differences is the Mafia has some sort of investigation power that they can use as an alternative for killing.

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I believe this was the case in Taormina, so its plausible for this game

...read to page 10....will be back later....

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Originally Posted by YLC

Oops, forgot to add my vote

Vote:Boudica

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How do you come with that vote? the PM of GH revealed says that (she?) was blocked.

Vote Boudica

Note that a no deaths night could just be the result of Mafia killing every second night - but I have no other clues and at leats this has the slightest hint of a possible mafia killing.

Am up for changing votes if someone can give a better reason. I don't know the story that everyone else is going on about.

Who are Günner and Fehrad for example?

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Originally Posted by Caius

How do you come with that vote? the PM of GH revealed says that (she?) was blocked.

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*sighs* I am not saying boudica is our "skull" SK, I am saying boudica may be mafia because we are at 2 kills per night now, and there was a lack of a kill tonight - if boudica was mafia, and was blocked, that would explain it. I could be wrong, but at the very least it's a lot strong then other cases currently. However, I fear our "Guide" will die tonight, however much I hope for something else, such as QJC dieing, I think the SK is done playing games and will off GH.

For those looking at boudica because she was blocked, I will again point out that Sigurd and Quintus.JC were also blocked on a night with just 1 kill.

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

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Vote: Beefy

That's total WIFOM (or something along the lines of it, anyway), and I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed till now. How do you expect QJC to be lynched if you won't tell us why to vote for him? Furthermore, for what reason did you think you would stay alive on the basis of not providing a reason for your vote, instead of the other way around?

Any reason that you could have must be better than no reason at all- until you explain your vote, you're looking kinda scummy to me.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

For those looking at boudica because she was blocked, I will again point out that Sigurd and Quintus.JC were also blocked on a night with just 1 kill.

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And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch and it was good for me to be killed because we were both roleblocked on night 2? :inquisitive: :rolleyes4:

The wishy-washiness and inconsistencies of many of your theories is maddening.

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And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch

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Ummm YOU told us to lynch Tevash, and then cast the deciding vote???

Also at time we did not know that you had been blocked!!!!

Your mutterings are starting to look more scummy and less helpful to town.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix27

Vote: Beefy

That's total WIFOM (or something along the lines of it, anyway), and I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed till now. How do you expect QJC to be lynched if you won't tell us why to vote for him? Furthermore, for what reason did you think you would stay alive on the basis of not providing a reason for your vote, instead of the other way around?

Any reason that you could have must be better than no reason at all- until you explain your vote, you're looking kinda scummy to me.

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I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

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Originally Posted by El Diablo

Ummm YOU told us to lynch Tevash, and then cast the deciding vote???

Also at time we did not know that you had been blocked!!!!

Your mutterings are starting to look more scummy and less helpful to town.

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Er you are completely missing my point. TevashSzat was a GREAT lynch, but not because of inferences made from his roleblock. Rather because of the greatness of destiny and Andres and probability conferring favoring me.

However, according to TinCow, TevashSzat was a good lynch because he was roleblocked and there were no kills. Now he is taking a completely different approach with boudica. I am merely pointing out his inconsistency.

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Askthepizzaguy's death is by blade and not gun, suspecting me to believe it was by the same guy who offed me and not Mafia.

White_eyes:D I never wanted to be lynched, though that clue basically gives my role away I guess...

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So you guys finally see how I wasn't guilty at all right? Reenk just had a special role that probably needed him dead or almost killed or something like that, sheesh I can't believe you guys were still thinking that I was scummy.....

boudica- I suck at analyzing new players
GeneralHankerchief-roleblocker=innocent
Jolt- Worth a look
seireikhaan- seems similar to Golden in my opinion. I believe he was scum in GR so a possible scum
Rythmic- WoG bait, not worth a lynch
shlin28-seems kind of quiet, don't know what to make of it
Tiberius of the Drake- seems quiet, but he usually is
187Beefyz- I'm not getting good vibes off of him
Chaotix27- no opinion
Quintus.JC- no opinion
YLC- umm, is he a vigilante? If so I say we go with the tried and true "kill the vig" strategy. irony/
Sigurd-Seems normal so far, worth a look later on when there's more to analyze
woad&fangs-THAT'S ME!
Yoyoma1910- I want to see how GR turns out before I pass judgement on him
Ibn-Khaldun- I think more pressure should be put on him
Lord Winter- basically confirmed innocent because of inactivity. No idea why the scum let him live
CountArach- I believe his busy excuse
Caius- appears Caiusy.
El Diablo- wait...he didn't get meatballed on round 1??? That's really out of character. lynch him!
Glyphz- I think he's a lot quieter(like in this game) when he doesn't have a role. probably innocent.
Seamus Fermanagh- seems to be his normal analytical self
Ignoramus- lurking. nothing new from when i've played with him in the past.

so... from my scummy list

Jolt
seireikhaan
shlin28
beefy
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun

lets vote: shlin28

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

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Alright, now that we have that taken care of...

Unvote: Beefy

I'm not getting really scummy vibes any more now that you've explained your vote, which seems to be more or less just a hunch anyway. I thought you might have had a role and were hiding something... :laugh4:

Now, I'm gonna Vote: Jolt, because even after his explanation, although I have no reason to believe it's false, it still looks like he was just pining for an excuse to lurk early on. Though I suppose I myself should not be one to talk..

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch and it was good for me to be killed because we were both roleblocked on night 2? :inquisitive: :rolleyes4:

The wishy-washiness and inconsistencies of many of your theories is maddening.

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Don't be obtuse. My point was not that boudica is a bad lynch, but rather that Sigurd and Quintus are equally worthy of the same attention.

vote:jolt

same reason as last round.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Don't be obtuse. My point was not that boudica is a bad lynch, but rather that Sigurd and Quintus are equally worthy of the same attention.

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Well this is a much better clarification, but I do hope you can realize how a person would interpret your initial statement in the manner I did without being obtuse.

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

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Why not just post that at first? If nothing else its erratic behavior which is the best lead I've got for now.

Vote: Beefyz


Also there are multiple families, so a kill isn't a confirmed innocent.

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Originally Posted by Lord Winter

Why not just post that at first? If nothing else its erratic behavior which is the best lead I've got for now.

Vote: Beefyz


Also there are multiple families, so a kill isn't a confirmed innocent.

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Oh yea thats right. Forgot about the multiple families.

1) I was indeed lulled to sleep by GH last night.
2) I am not a member of either mafia family
3) I shall be back later to answer any questions if anyone has any / protest my innocence / vote later on today

I had to quickly read over the thread again to freshen up on things.
The night reports from Andres were particularly interesting (hard to find without a separate thread or links in the OP). :smash:

Night one #102
Night two #259
Night three #317
Night four #428

On the first night there was only one kill by a silenced gun. There is also something about a hysterical man and blades.

Second night has no kills, but yet again the hysterical man whet stoning a sword which is incidentally dropped and later picked up by the athletic man. Also, he seems to talk to someone or is schizophrenic. Two men digging up the graves of the dead looking for something and lose a gun which is later picked up by the athletic man.

Third night had three kills. Hysterical man destroys the statue of Atemis.
The shadow kills RR accusing him of seeking a package.
Two kills by men with silenced guns.

Fourth night had one kill. No mention of the hysterical man. A new character (shady figure) finds an envelope. Two dark figures dig up the graves of the dead.
The shadow kills pizzaguy implying some shady business going on.

My initial thought after reading the night reports is that we are possibly dealing with several active night roles. I have coloured them based on alignment. Neutral (green) until we can determine if they are good or bad for town.

Night one:
1 gun killer
1 crazy guy.

Night two
2 guys (digging up bodies)
1 crazy guy
1 companion of crazy guy

Night three
1 crazy guy
1 shadow killer
2 gun killers

Night four
1 shady guy
1 shadow killer
2 guys (digging up bodies)


All in all 8 characters.

I suspect however that the two gun killers and the grave diggers are the same. They are taking every other night off to dig up the bodies they shot the night before. They are obviously looking for something inside the bodies and need to kill them in order to be able to check them.

This brings us down to 6 characters.
We know that GH is the old guy and that the athletic guy has a sword and a gun. Could it be that the athletic guy is the shadow killer?
The total should then be around 7 characters.

Crazy guy and apprentice = Bernard and Juliette
2 guys with guns and showels = Günner and Fehrad
Shadow killer = Manfredo
Shady guy = secret role…
Old blocker guy (GH)

We also suspect that RR, Tevash and pizzaguy possibly had roles. But there were 2 diggers on night 4 which according to my theory counts for both Günner and Fehrad being alive.
It could also mean that even if we did kill/lynch bad guys, the bad guys are recruiting.
Could it be that YLC is the shadow killer?

My vote this round goes to CountArach. He was quite active in the first part of this game, but has since dropped off the planet. He mentioned a hectic week at work, but his initial analysis makes me suspect he is in the informed minority. He called Bernard a Godfather type. I can’t see where he would get that idea.

Vote: CountArach.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

My vote this round goes to CountArach. He was quite active in the first part of this game, but has since dropped off the planet. He mentioned a hectic week at work, but his initial analysis makes me suspect he is in the informed minority. He called Bernard a Godfather type. I can’t see where he would get that idea.

Vote: CountArach.

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Well I'm much less busy now. I'm still busy until about Sunday but I should be able to get some posting done. I'll have some analysis done within the next hour.

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Now, I'm gonna Vote: Jolt, because even after his explanation, although I have no reason to believe it's false, it still looks like he was just pining for an excuse to lurk early on. Though I suppose I myself should not be one to talk..

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Bleh@reason for vote. Being proven (As I have) that I didn't kill any of the three (Since even if I lied about my own personal life, the fact is that I wasn't online in the day there were 3 people killed), and thinking there are like 6 killers, and supposing that noone of them has been killed I have less than 5% (Like 3/90, not good at math) of being someone with a mafia role. Thus, you're basically lynching at random, and since most of us are townies, you have a gigantic chance (100%, for lynching me) to lynch a townie.
Yoyoma's reason is (Sorry, no offence, since you may lynch who you wish) stupid beyond conception.

I was stuck between YLC and CA, but I'll go with YLC.

Vote: YLC

EDIT: Since I'm at risk of being lynched, I'll prefer CA who already has a vote.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: CountArach

FoS: Jolt

Retaliatory voting to ensure he is not lynched. Lots of people disagree about this, but I think that most people know where I stand - a townie should be willing to go quietly so we can hear the mafia go out with a bang.

I believe that Beefy has been something of a strange player this game. This post isn't getting very much attention.

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

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His later explanation of gut instinct is just useless. Random voting at this point, where we do actually have evidence, is not pro-town gameplay. It simply serves to misdirect the town and dorwns out useful discussion.

Vote: Beefy

What's FoS?

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What's FoS?

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Finger of Suspicion. Basically I am just saying that I am keeping my eye on you.

Sigurd, thanks for the summary, you've got some useful info there. I hadn't noticed that the repeated descriptions of the shadowy killer, but it's definitely there. Notice in the OP:

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Manfredo : a man surrounded by shadows; his abilities and allegiance are secret.

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The shadows aren't a coincidence, the shadow killer is Manfredo.

In addition, you point out that the athletic man picked up a gun and a sword. Both murders by the shadow killer have been with a blade, the second one specifically with a sword. This is consistent with my earlier theory that Manfredo is the athletic man.

So, it seems to me that Manfredo is leading the lynch voting and has killed two people who appeared scummy, not random targets. Thus, I think Manfredo is pro-town and is at least a vigilante, if not a combo vigilante/detective type role.

Günner and Fehrad seem to have to examine dead bodies. They seem happy to look at bodies that other people have killed to try and find their object, but they also generate more bodies of their own when needed. Their kills are more random than Manfredo's. I also do think that ATPG's death write-up and its placement immediately after the Günner and Fehrad action description gives a possibility that ATPG was either Günner or Fehrad. There is the added complication of GH blocking ATPG on that night, but the failure of that to work might have a couple causes. Maybe Günner and Fehrad are immune to it or maybe Manfredo somehow caused it to fail.

RR claims to be the hysterical man, who is essentially a 'ghost.' This now seems plausible to me based on the write-ups.

This leaves Bernard and Isabelle as the only unknown roles left. Bernard is clearly trying to kill Manfredo. Isabelle is a copy of a similar role in the previous game. That means she'll be killing people who previously voted for Bernard. I think it would be a very valuable exercise to pay close attention to who any dead person voted for if an Isabelle kill pops up. So far, she does not appear to kill, which suggests that Bernard has never received a lynch vote.

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Bleh@reason for vote. Being proven (As I have) that I didn't kill any of the three (Since even if I lied about my own personal life, the fact is that I wasn't online in the day there were 3 people killed), and thinking there are like 6 killers, and supposing that noone of them has been killed I have less than 5% (Like 3/90, not good at math) of being someone with a mafia role. Thus, you're basically lynching at random, and since most of us are townies, you have a gigantic chance (100%, for lynching me) to lynch a townie.
Yoyoma's reason is (Sorry, no offence, since you may lynch who you wish) stupid beyond conception.

I was stuck between YLC and CA, but I'll go with YLC.

Vote: YLC

EDIT: Since I'm at risk of being lynched, I'll prefer CA who already has a vote.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: CountArach

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Nonetheless, please explain the case more thoroughly against me and CA.

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Finger of Suspicion. Basically I am just saying that I am keeping my eye on you.

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Aren't townies supposed to survive? >_> I'm with all this noise since I am being lynched for no reason. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for me to die (As Chaotix said). I've illibated myself already. Thus I even have less chance of being a Mafia guy than most people around here (With the exception of Lord Winter, I think). I wonder why other people like QJC or Yoyoma, aren't getting more attention.

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Originally Posted by YLC

Nonetheless, please explain the case more thoroughly against me and CA.

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In your supposed showdown with RR might be a bit of coincidence that he was killed before that could happen, and curiously enough you also got correct with your prediction of ATPG dieing, furthermore these last days you have been rather quiet. On CA I thought Sigurd's analysis was correct, but I had stronger suspicions, about you, thus why I voted for you in the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

In your supposed showdown with RR might be a bit of coincidence that he was killed before that could happen, and curiously enough you also got correct with your prediction of ATPG dieing, furthermore these last days you have been rather quiet. On CA I thought Sigurd's analysis was correct, but I had stronger suspicions, about you, thus why I voted for you in the beginning.

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That's called luck, bad or good, name it. I am not the Vig, I'm a bloody townie, just like you.

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Originally Posted by w&f

Ibn-Khaldun- I think more pressure should be put on him

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And the reason is????:inquisitive:

Anyway I Vote: shlin28

Tally:

boudica: 2 (YLC, El Diablo)
Jolt: 2 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910)
shlin28: 2 (woad&fangs, Ibn-Khaldun)
187Beefyz: 2 (Lord Winter, CountArach)
CountArach: 2 (Sigurd, Jolt)

Quintus.JC: 1 (187Beefyz)


Nice 5 way tie we've got going here.

Screw it, let's make it six.

Vote: Quintus.JC

Unvote: shlin28

Vote: Jolt

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Tally:

Jolt: 3 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910, Ibn-Khaldun)

boudica: 2 (YLC, El Diablo)
187Beefyz: 2 (Lord Winter, CountArach)
CountArach: 2 (Sigurd, Jolt)
Quintus.JC: 2 (187Beefyz, GeneralHankerchief)
shlin28: 1 (woad&fangs)

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Care to explain that vote change? As I see it, the case against Jolt is the weakest out of all 6 of the lynch contenders. He is a curious choice to put out in front without any explanation.