Vote: pevergreen
I seem to recall in the past, pever had a nasty habit of forgetting to send in his night actions. I also am not sure how seriously he's been taking these games recently. But that's just an opinion based on observations.
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Vote: pevergreen
I seem to recall in the past, pever had a nasty habit of forgetting to send in his night actions. I also am not sure how seriously he's been taking these games recently. But that's just an opinion based on observations.
As Reenk has already gotten the ball rolling on Sigurd, I will support him. Despite multiple requests previously, Sigurd did not respond to questions when prompted. Time to start talking.
Vote: Sigurd
Comets are often white, and the two tails clearly means something which is plural, which can be eyes.
Vote: White_Eyes :D
That... actually makes sense. That's better than my theory.
unvote, vote: White_Eyes:D
Tally:
Sigurd: 2 (Reenk Roink, TinCow)
WhiteEyes: 2 (Jolt, Askthepizzaguy)
*sets up stand*
Come one come all! Right here, do I have one of the rarest commodities - a vote, that can double your own vote! Few, in fact no votes today, can do that. However, many a merchant will sell you this same said vote for ridiculous prices - however, not I! I will sell it to you dirt cheap, and if you bid within the next 6 hours, your vote will not only be doubled today, but doubled the next day as well! Quadruple the voting power!
Hurry, offer good while supplies lasts.
And better than the Sigurd theory? Seriously? A host giving away the mafia with silly clues?
Vote: Sigurd
The comet in particularly is blue.
I won't join the Sigurd bandwagon, I think he should have a chance to respond first.Quote:
An angry, blue fireball strode across the heavens at astonishing speed.
Difference between Tincow's pressure vote and the massive bandwagon building.
:bow:
YLC, vote for White_Eyes:D, I will buy your limited offer.
The reasons for this vote? it is a revenge vote because he is being a ninkenpoop and first-round voting me in pretty much every game and it is annoying.
Vote: White_Eyes:D
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenkmeister
What happened to "abstaining, courteously"? :clown:
Vote: YLC
You must have some sort of a role. Although I don't believe it's mafia... we are looking for a roleblocker. Do you have any abilities we should know about, or do you know of anyone else with an ability? How much does knowledge sell for, these days?
Good sir, I know that Beskar has made an offer to purchase your vote, but you already know of his attempts at shady dealing before. I on the other hand am a tenured customer who has always stood up for your trade. If you would consider my request to sell me your vote and vote for Sigurd despite my offer coming later I would be very grateful (though I completely understand if you choose not to). After all, what I am using your product for is for a much more beneficial purpose to the whole community than what behind the scenes Beskar is. :smash:
No, I didn't, I only offered to take up your service. All you had to do was simply say "Sure, post it in the thread", however, instead of that, you didn't reply then you slandered my good name in public, trying to say I was going behind peoples back, which is an false accusation.
Making an enquiry if you would be interested is not the same as deceit, I was just making sure you wouldn't refuse the request making me look silly in public, so I asked in private first if you would.
You are a bad businessman, you messed up your order
That is now three apologises you owe. 2 to me and 1 to Reenk Roink.Quote:
f you would consider my request to sell me your vote and vote for Sigurd despite my offer coming later I would be very grateful
1) For the false accusation.
2) For falsely voting for me.
3) Not getting Reenk Roink the order he asked for.
You will have to forgive me, but if what you say is true, that makes you only a craven coward.
If what you say is false, it is because you had ulterior motive, such as slandering mine and that of my business, or of trying to sway the merchant, I, behind close doors.
Either way sir, you are neither honest, with yourself or with others, and do you have a spine.
But Khaan never gives clues....:laugh4: and you guys would have the stones to do it...:smash:
Well....I guess I should keep going like any good townie but I am very tempted to get myself lynched to prove you wrong....(It's what I do when someone comes up with a theory, so bad I feel like my eyes hurt just looking at it:wall:)
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I think a refund is in order.
He owes me no apology. If YLC wishes to sell me his vote and vote for Sigurd than it is all up to him. It is his vote and he may want to use it anyway he wants. In fact, I'm just happy YLC is not going to sell to you and vote for White eyes which continues the rash of ridiculous lynches in my view.
Oh dear...so caught up was I in my previous dealings, that I forgot to change the delivery address :sweatdrop:
Unvote: Vote: Sigurd
Meh. Maybe I am just eager to lynch White_Eyes because of things like... Beskar is always lynch bait, so let's lynch him.... voting for Beefy, then voting for people who voted for Beefy because of course Beefy was innocent... Unexplained theories regarding who would have the cojones not to kill anyone. And so on.
unvote: White_Eyes
vote: Ichigo
You should be caught up now. Let's have you participate, please.
For previous reasons and the fact that Tin Cow seems intelligent enough to possible purposely not send in his orders to confuse everyone and to suggest we focus on the lurkers.
Vote: Tin Cow
:inquisitive:
Sorry, does noone else seem intelligent enough to skip a kill and confuse people? And what exactly are the "previous reasons"?
These previous reasons may be valid; no matter. What you seem to be doing here is adding flawed logic to make your own vote seem more genuine and reasonable. You could have picked any other person who's shown a semblance of cleverness in this thread and replaced TinCow with him, and this vote would still have that "looks reasonable, glance over it" quality to it that it does now.
Unless your logic is really this twisted, then this is an engineered blend-in mafia vote. It just reeks of scum.
Unvote, Vote: DJGinjivtis
It sounds like you're insulted :clown: :bobby2:
But Tin Cow has been using this tactic throughout the whole game but no one has really notice/pointed it out because they are too busy with Beskar and RR and voting out people who aren't doing anything. Does no one else find this suspicious that he is drawing attention to them and then even still when the heat gets to hot on these people he then tries and gets people to focus on other people. He is constantly bringing up someone new that seems suspicious. Yet no one is thinking about him. Why does he just want to try and get votes for everyone? Maybe because he is trying to kill everyone. I am sorry if I insulted you by saying that was intelligent, it came out wrong, not only did it insult others but him as well. I meant to say that Tin Cow seems to have a knack for the games and that he knows what tactics will working when and when to use certain maneuvers to either draw or move attention to. He is the Sun Tzu of Mafia.
Also you spelled my name wrong.
Chaotix, even I have gotten over YLC. It seems to be more of his style than scumminess.
Vote: Chaotix
Because YLC is the obvious cop-out vote.
Tactics are just WIFOM... there is no 100% sure win strategy to a mafia game.
The point is moot if one is discussing who would be the ballsiest mafia to use the ballsiest strategy, much less who is capable of initiating a "tactic"
Its all really just WIFOM...
@Gibson, he changed it to DJGingivitis
Yes you have been mentioning him but only until today has he become anything special. To my immediate knowledge he has not been getting a lot of votes, so my reasoning still holds. My reasoning is that you use someone to draw attention and then move onto the next person. So I am not exaggerating, Sigurd just is(was) the next person you planned on drawing attention to.
Not to sound like a dbag but have you looked at the past 5-8 pages? It has been Beskar and RR defending themselves with ATPG and Tin Cow also contributing to the accusations and such. Tin Cow has been going after a lot of people. He maybe not him calling them out specifically but he has contributed to the accusations against them. He is being the ultimate Devil's Advocate. He is just making it so that everyone is mafia except for himself. Why is it that no one wants to see his avoidance of attention but at the same time not avoiding it by lurking?
DJGingivtis- 2 (Tratorix, Chaotix)
Chaotix-1 (gibsong91921)
Tin Cow-1 (DJGingivtis)
Ichigo-1 (ATPG)
Sigurd-3 (YLC, Tin Cow, AVSM)
White_Eyes :D-2 (Jolt, Beskar)
Jolt-1 (White_Eyes :D)
DJGingivtis- 2 (Tratorix, Chaotix)
Chaotix-1 (gibsong91921)
Tin Cow-1 (DJGingivtis)
Ichigo-1 (ATPG)
Sigurd-4 (YLC, Tin Cow, AVSM, Reenk Roink)
White_Eyes :D-2 (Jolt, Beskar)
Jolt-1 (White_Eyes :D)
As you posted I was double checking and saw it. I scrolled over it due to it being in the middle of his post and his tally was not bold. Fixed now.
How is he avoiding attention? Should he be voting for himself, just to let us know he could be guilty? I'm confused as to how you believe TinCow going after people is a bad thing. It forces others to post as well and stimulates discussion. This is a good thing. Going after people who have been contributing more than you because they have been contributing is a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJGingivtis
As much as I adore the Reenkster, I don't believe Sigurd is the right choice here.
I do, believe that its time for a substitute.
Who is too dangerous to be left alive?
Vote: TinCow.
Yes, taking money for votes doesn´t seem to work. The whole concept of bribes seems to be unknown to the hordes.
Vote: ATPG because you still owe me a cookie...
Could it be that YLC is a Chinese? After all... Zhang Qian was a Chinese envoy who was captured by nomadic tribes...
Who just so happens to be present in every write up...Quote:
My previous night of good sleep would prove elusive once more. I was quite rudely awakened during the night multiple times by tribesmen who seemed to be milling about in the night. I ignored it for the time being, desperate for every wink of sleep that I could obtain. When the time came for me to be up and going, I felt groggy and irritated. What could have been going on that was so fascinating?! I stumbled out the tent, heading towards the council grounds once more. It seemed a rather large number of tribesmen were in attendance, perhaps every member of the camp. All I could see, including Shinzei, seemed exceedingly agitated. My irritation began to warp into dread. What could have happened that caused such emotion from the savages? I made my way to the side of Shinzei, and before the council could be started, I asked him how many had been killed during the night, assuming the number must be strikingly large. He replied that nobody had been found dead. I was stunned. I asked him what had happened that caused the entire camp to be so on edge. He gave me a curious look, as though I was an imbecile for not knowing. He informed me the heavens opened up that night with an ominous portent, a great fireball which scorched the heavens themselves. I now understood why the council was being held; such omens could not be ignored. The matter at hand was now more serious than ever, and it was important that we prevent the foretold disaster upon this camp.
-- The Record of Zhang Qian
He is avoiding attention by drawing attention to other people (hence the Sun Tzu reference, maybe you have not read Art of War) He is going after too many people. Every day it is someone new or multiple people over a couple days. Like I have stated several times and the main point of my argument against him, he is drawing too much attention then moving onto the next plausible mafioso. First it was YLC early in the round because it was suspicious of him selling his vote. Then it went to Beskar and RR because they were going at it for the past couple rounds but now that has died down. Now it seems that Sigurd is the new guy to go after because someone said . And guess who is at the head of the witch hunt? Tin Cow.
I am not saying that accusing people is wrong, but just accusing people and then turning to someone else as soon as new attention is stirring is quite odd. And I am not going after him because he has contributed more to this game. It is what he has contributed.
Okay. If he turns out to be mafia when the game is over, you deserve due credit for spotting him early. In my opinion, however, he's been pointing out odd/scummy behavior, investigated it for a time, and after seeing the game unfold, he now has different theories as to who is scum. Or he simply has a short list of top suspects. I have a list of suspects too, and it includes most of the people in the game, except for the dead ones and me of course. My top suspects are only theoretically more suspicious than my regular suspects, and who they are changes often.
I don't see what TinCow is doing that's any different from my own methods. I don't follow your reasoning as to why it's wrong. But I can't prove my method is better than yours, so... vote away.
Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true. Voting for Sigurd is not jumping on anyone else's arguments; I've been on his case for a long time now. I first brought him up five days ago. I gave him a while to respond, and when he didn't I raised him again three days ago in two posts. Your assertions that Sigurd is "the new guy" are not remotely true.
Sigurd has had a history recently of heavy inactivity, you know this.
Sigurd has a history recently of pulling off mafioso wins by lurking and proclaiming RL inactivity. In any case, he's posted three times in this thread since my first question and he's never acknowledged it. In this post, he even took the time to check to see who had missed several rounds of voting, indicating he was looking at the thread in more than just superficial depth. He had to go back and reread to do that, yet he did not respond.
DJGingivitis. I wouldn't consider TinCow to be the someone said in this case anyway. White he has been gunning Sigurd since early times, he really has never done anything to put his money where his mouth was until a vote for Sigurd by me. I also have suspected Sigurd more and more as the game progressed until now.
pever, we can always get TinCow following the same reasoning we got Sigurd. :laugh4: In fact, should the heat on Beskar-Atpg (who still have some suspicious nature to their game - just that better targets have popped up while a blow has been dealt to Beskar's guilt) not be on next round, I will try and get Tratorix, DIY, or TinCow. The former two because I believe they are scummy, and the latter because I want to curry favor with another section of the town, plus he is annoying with his constant disagreement and nitpicking. :laugh4:
I think (I hope) Beskar-Atpg will be lynched before the endgame anyway. :shrug:
Whatever I am not going to try and keep on explaining myself. I still think Tin Cow is mafia. Unless something concrete comes up he will have my vote. Continue to kill off others.
I think I was talking about those, who would have the Brass ones to repeatedly block one person from the start of the game.:laugh4: be proud, I think very highly of you and even Beskar:2thumbsup:
This missing one kill makes no sense....unless they are powering up for several kills??:juggle2:
Otherwise, it's not worth it in Mafia game terms to miss out of a kill:no:
I think I will vote: TinCow
The answers to your questions are so obvious that I am thinking you are intentionally acting dumb. This is much the same as you did in Netherworld which worked then because you were indeed a new player.
I am however baffled that the Mafia aren't seeing these obvious things. If I was indeed a mafioso, someone would have died a long time ago.
Maybe DJG received some esoteric knowledge that he will not divulge in public, even though we all know that the trade is worth it.
You'll have to excuse me, but I wasn't in that game, nor does that post prove he was using inactivity to win. Its not the most honourable, but its a legitimate strategy. If hes been claiming RL and uses that to win, well, thats frowned upon by pretty much everyone. It was an unspoken rule.
However, my sign up post agrees with me, I fear you more than Sigurd.
Does anyone here, know how TinCow is when he is Mafia?:dizzy2: (I remember the sting of "Chicago soiree, mega lurker victory" and I would be thinking TinCow does too....)
You know the saying "Revenge is a dish, best served cold":bounce:
The fact that you responded only when in the lead for votes has me thinking that you are mafia....but I could be wrong....it all could be a masterminded plot by the evil Mafioso TinCow.:sweatdrop:
I am willing to take a chance:yes:
Also if you are trying to find a lurker, what about Lord Winter. He was my choice of lurker early in the game. So if we are going for Tin Cow I am game, if we are going for a lurker I nominate Lord Winter.
Siggy Fafmeister, really the only reason I am suspicious of you is the fact that saved Beskar and then later wouldn't vote for him although you implied you thought he could be guilty. It really seemed that your statement of "we can lynch Beskar later, not now" made you think there was at least some suspicion on him, but you instead went after split who I really think you didn't consider guilty.
Now then, can you ease the feeling in my gut that you are up to no good? That you were just planning on keeping Beskar around for a later lynch when he would be more useful?
The second point is interesting though... and given some behind the scenes knowledge I have gotten I will:
Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: TinCow
FOS: Sigurd (until I am satisfied with your response, if I am at all)
I also ask YLC to unvote and vote TinCow if he could, sorry for the hassle. :sweatdrop:
DJGingivtis- 2 (Tratorix, Chaotix)
Chaotix-1 (gibsong91921)
Tin Cow-4 (DJGingivtis, Sigurd, pevergreen Reenk Roink)
Ichigo-1 (ATPG)
Sigurd-3 (YLC, Tin Cow, AVSM)
White_Eyes :D-2 (Jolt, Beskar)
Jolt-1 (White_Eyes :D)
Atpg-1 (Khaazar)
Very well then. Under the circumstances, it seems I will best aid the town by dying. After I am dead, I urge Reenk to publicly examine whatever "knowledge" he has gained. Either he is being manipulated or he is doing it himself. Keep this in mind for future rounds.
I could publicly defend you TinCow, but I think that would just publicly condemn you even more. :beam:
Though on a serious note, can you provide any information on this "behind the scenes knowledge" because I am feeling left out. :sad:
ROFL, you know it was obvious humour, naughty Handkerchief.
On another note, do you know that using handkerchiefs are discouraged? They want everyone to use tissues so you can sneeze/cough into them, then drop them straight into a bin.
I'll give you some further fuel against me. In earlier games, I generally have a tendency to be quite a jerk and immediately post any PM I get as a townie. I don't like things done discreetly.
I did this in Scourge of Ephesus, a recent game where you and I both played together so you don't have to just take my word for it. I was an "Innocent townie" in that game.
In this game I have received several PM's from a couple of people. I haven't revealed a single one nor the contents of one. In fact, I only revealed that I was receiving such communication now.
Does it count as a behavior change? :2thumbsup:
Anyway
Unvote: TinCow
I wanna see this tied for now. YLC please don't switch to TinCow just this moment. Sorry again for changing everything all the time. :shame:
I'll offer more money than Reenk.
And a goat.
A GOAT.
I'd like the goat....
This is the kind of posting that would normally make me unvote. Playing the victim of some conspiracy will normally stir the empathy center.
However, I am now unsure as DJG seems to back off and offer another candidate for this lynch.
Maybe you got the same info I did?Quote:
Originally Posted by RR
Sigurd I was not offering another target. There was a hint of sarcasm. Sorry. I forgot my [/sarcasm]
So, you remain steadfast in your choice that TinCow is our candidate?
Why? dear Watson... If I told you, I would give it away. It might be that the Mafia is not as observant as we hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Mafiosi are in the informed minority and by carefully reading the thread will notice any correlation between players. As townies we can notice the same correlation, but will not know the alignment of these players. We don't know if they are pro or anti town.
Theres no correlation between me and Reenk. None at all.
:creep:
Oh please. You two are in bed with each other, the whole world can see it. I'm going to start calling you pevergreenk.
:clown:
Ok, round's over. Gimme a bit to get the tally in order and writeup in place.
We Have a Tie. Same procedure as last time. You may still vote for anyone you wish, but the instant any vote leading tie is broken, the one with the most votes will be lynched.
Sigurd 3: (TinCow, A Very Super Market, YLC)
TinCow 3: (DJGingivitis, pevergreen, Sigurd)
White_eyes 2: (Jolt, Beskar)
DJGingivitis 2: (Chaotix, Tratorix)
Jolt 1: (White_eyes)
Ichigo: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
Chaotix: 1 (gibsons)
Askthepizzaguy: (Khazaar)
You have sigurd voting for both tincow and himself.
unvote, vote: White_Eyes
Now you have a third option. Take your pick!
Sigurd: 3 (TinCow, A Very Super Market, YLC)
TinCow: 3 (DJGingivitis, pevergreen, Sigurd)
White_eyes: 3 (Jolt, Beskar, Askthepizzaguy)
DJGingivitis: 2 (Chaotix, Tratorix)
Jolt: 1 (White_eyes)
Chaotix: 1 (gibsons)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khazaar)
New tally.
:inquisitive:
The case against W_E is about the worst we've had yet in this game. As much as I would like to save my own butt, I won't do it in that manner. Just pick between Sigurd and I and get it over with.
It appears my customer wishes that my vote be placed upon TC, and, erring on the side of caution, shall..
Unvote: Sigurd, Vote: TinCow
:bow:
So be it. I urge that pressure be put on Reenk until this:
is revealed. As I was not a mafioso, this cannot possibly be detective information. Thus, it is likely little more than rumor and speculation. There is no harm in bringing this out into the public eye so that we can see what was said and who said it.
Perhaps it was a result of the previous night, but this council seemed more disjointed and hectic than any previous. Accusations were thrown around at seemingly half of the camp during the fray, which made my record keeping a bit more problematic than usual. Once more, various members left the council for a while, and some just sat solemnly, with brooding looks. When the day was to end, there were a multitude of camp members who had garnered suspicion. Three members led with a seemingly equal level of suspicion leveled at them. In the end, a clear leader was not established until a final shift tipped the scales towards a man named TinCow. When I told Shinzei of this and he announced it to the tribesemen, TinCow stepped forward of his own volition. He knelt in front of Shinzei, with no restrictions placed upon him, his head bowed forwards. Shinzei gave a slight leer to the rest of the camp that they had decided upon this halfways suicidal man as the most likely to be a spy. However, he was bound by the rule of council. Thus, he unsheathed his sword, and swung down at the base of the man's neck. The sword sliced true, directly cleaving the man's neck and head from the body. I turned away from the gruesome sight, but I knew deep down it was best the kill had been so quick. With TinCow's death, Shinzei dismissed the council once more, myself included. I felt queasy returning to the tent this night. Perhaps it was the gods whispering in my ear, but I felt sure that we were not yet rid of the killers yet.....
--The Record of Zhang Qian
Tally
TinCow: 4 (DJGingivitis, pevergreen, Sigurd, YLC)
White_eyes: 3 (Jolt, Beskar, Askthepizzaguy)
Sigurd: 2 (TinCow, A Very Super Market)
DJGingivitis: 2 (Chaotix, Tratorix)
Jolt: 1 (White_eyes)
Chaotix: 1 (gibsons)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khazaar)
Not voting: 5 (Caius, Lord Winter, Death is Yonder, Ichigo, Reenk Roink)
Alive: 18
Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
YLC
Dead: 3
Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)
Lynched: 4
FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
Splitpersonality (D3)
TinCow (D4)
WoK'd: 0
NIGHT HAS BEGUN! ORDERS PLEASE!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Apologies for being critical, but...
this game has had a lot discussion without any pro-town input or write-up clues... :2thumbsup: