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I will explain the reasoning behind the kill once the game ends, but there's a reason why I didn't choose our main suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
The question is, why would the other cult even bother killing now? They can continue a cycle of lynching one of the town, recruiting the other until everyone is Pepperoni; if the game continued, that would indicate an unrecruitable townie still lives and that would necessitate a kill. Otherwise, it's plain sailing.Quote:
If there is a 2nd Pepperoni leader, there may be another murder on the night phase and at that point we are cutting it way too close.
I have to say that I think that a town victory is the best course of action now (and I want you to win), if only for the fact that the Pepperoni Cult Leader is very, very undeserving of victory, for reasons I'll touch on at the end of the game.
My opinion may count for little as a dead cultist, but we strongly believed that classical_hero was the leader; I encourage both the former Sausages and the current Pepperonis to vote for him and win the game for yourselves rather than his cult.
This is a lie; the rules state (as MRD has reiterated) that kills will only begin once everyone that can be recruited has been at least once. Obviously you realised this mistake and edited your post to make yourself look more genuine, since there's no stronger claim than that of an unrecruitable townie, right? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
I liked your style, though the reasons that TLD was killed were not based on your message, s'about all I can say. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrequited
What's the vote count?
If everyone has voted an hour from now, or let's be fair, 6 people have voted and it's not a tie, then the round is over.
My call is if 5 or less have voted, I'll give an extension. I'm off to work rather shortly so I won't be here for the 24-hour mark deadline.
Either decide or use the above to get an extension.
Back to square one
Vote: Classical Hero
Sorry, MRD. You were right to be paranoid. I'm the town recruiter, and I'm pretty sure we have the numbers on you. More importantly, we definitely have your identity, and you're the last of the original cult leaders. The sausage cult is dead. The pepperoni cult was you and TheLastDays. You sacrificed him to get the information on the sausages, but it didn't quite work out. It's been a matter of choosing my time, and I think this is it.
vote: MRD
(I apologize tremendously for the issue with the deadline by the way. I lost track of it AGAIN. I wouldn't have saved it so "late" if I'd known; it's cheesy and not in the nice Pizza-y goodness way, either.)
For the townies, here is the evidence:
On TLD, here is post 29 of the pepperoni QT:
It is signed by "Propagandist", one of the original cult leaders.Quote:
Well I don't think that Renata meant to not give out the QT link but to "mask" our recruits, giving them codenames in here although for those we've already mentioned it won't make any difference now...
Still, after thinking about it I guess it's worth to consider for the future...
Here is post 43, by TheLastDays, The Boss' second "recruit" (I was the first):
See the ellipses? It's a tic of TLD's.Quote:
WEll I guess it makes sense to reveal who I am, since I seem to be so popular in this game...
I've been recruited the night before, by the other cult... And now this night you guys recruited me, fun times ^^
If you want to lanch GH I guess it's easy for me to vote for him again since I have already shown inthread that I didn't like his wagon on Blackadder...
Post 75
What's the point of telling TLD to be careful if he's a real recruit? This is just for show.Quote:
Guys, guys (and Renata of course), I walk out for a moment and all turns into a mess.
TLD, be careful. Now that people have actually voiced the opinion of you being a converted townie, this town converter might target you.
You seem to forget one thing though: The rules state that the killing will start when all recruitable players have been recruited at least once. So the townies that are recruited back to town will not slow down the way to killings.
Remember also the effort that TLD has been putting out all game, and how scummy he was.
And finally, what I thought for a time was a a bad MISTAKE from this team was actually strategy: they outed my name from the get-go despite knowing it would make me bait for any other recruiters who happened by (*cough*), because they wanted the cover (and the bait status) for TLD.
Now to Major Robert Dump. The first line of evidence is post 59 in the game thread. This is day one. See underlined.
As much as I hate PIS accusations ( :angel: ), that is one heck of an extrapolation to be making based on the information at hand. (It's not even consistent with most cults I've been a part of.) I would submit that MRD already knew that there were two leaders of each cult, and is trying to present it here as a logical deduction as opposed to inherent knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
I call MRD on this myself in the QT (once I find out), and get this response from "The Boss" in post 28:
Nice hand-waving, right?Quote:
#59 is MRD grasping at straws like he does in his first postings in games. It usually gets him lynched because it makes people paranoid and he would be a good distraction vote if there weren't already a bandwagon going.
GH is a threat to us if he knows anything.
I'm interested in recruiting possibly Romanic, DiamondEye and/or TheLastDays.
As for people getting this QT and not being converted/stolen from the cult, we have taken this into consideration and concluded that the pros of group communication outweigh the cons. The cultists will be on a need to know status.
There are also a number of similarities in posting style that I won't bother to point out, since I also have stuff like this PM:
This was sent to me and Seon. If I'm wrong about either of the cult leaders, then Seon is probably the one we're looking for, but I don't think I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Roll the dice.
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/nCPDbCPXbafR
Vote: classical_hero
We are looking for the Pepperoni Boss. Since Renata has so graciously provided the Pepperoni QT to all of us, this makes detective work easier to do. First, we'll start out with the list of currently living players:
Glancing at the QT for more than two seconds will prove that I am in no way affiliated with the Pepperoni cult, since they have tried to get me killed via one way or another throughout the entire game. It is also not Renata, the whistleblower on all of this. Robbiecon is out, as per "Boss"'s posts #91 and 92:Quote:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon
Quote:
In the meantime, General Handkerchief and Robbiecon are fair game on the lynch.
MRD is affiliated with the cult but not "Boss", as Renata has already pointed out. He's "Propagandist". This means we're down to three, Arpeggiate, classical_hero, and Seon.Quote:
Okay, Some of you seem easily confused :P So I will explain a little better.
GH and Robbie are townies. Maybe special townies. Minus the whole murder thing, townies are a bigger threat than cults because when we kill the other cult leader all his members will return to tonwie role and we may be outnumbered on votes. So next round I want to focus on townies: GH and Robbiecon. I don't care what pretext you use or how or when you do it, in fact, if they look likely to be lynched feel free to abstain or to vote for a fellow cultist as a decoy, just as long as one of those two gets killed.
We know that "Boss" has been a lurker for most of the game since, according to Post 118:
Also with this information, "Boss" reveals several times throughout the Quicktopic that he has children. This rules out Arpeggiate since he is an RL friend of Subotan, Subotan being a university student who has just finished up his freshman year at I believe Oxford. Assuming Arpeggiate and Subotan are even relatively close to the same age I find it extremely unlikely that Arpegg has at least two children. So we're down to C_H and Seon.Quote:
I need everyone to no :daisy: vote for GH today. I may actually vote for a change. He has to die
Let's turn back to Post 91 for a second:
"Boss" spelled my name "Handkerchief" - the correct way to do so, and not my intentional misspelling of the word as "Hankerchief" without a D. This is also not a onetime occurrence, as he does so again in Post 105:Quote:
In the meantime, General Handkerchief and Robbiecon are fair game on the lynch.
Where am I going with this?Quote:
This round, do not vote for DiamondEye, Seon, TLD or Renata. Vote for either General Handkerchief or Robbiecon.
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Originally Posted by classical_hero
Seon made no (mis)spellings of the word, and in addition C_H has voted for me twice more, here and here, the first of those being on July 4th which would ring true with his claim of "I have been trying to get GH lynched from day 1" as per Post 121.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
There is also his claim of having been a "boss" in a game some months back which other people might be able to confirm, but in the meantime I think this is more than enough evidence that C_H is our boy.
By the way ATPG, do not delete the Pepperoni Quicktopic, as I'm probably going to bronze it for amusement's sake after the game. :laugh4:
Well played Renata.
However, basing TLDs identity on some ellepsis is a pretty far stretch. Also suggesting that the cult leader would contact you of all people directly and spill all beans to you is also a stretch.
I was recruited after you, but it has always been clear in the QT that they had plans for you from the beginning.
I am but a humble cultist acting as liasion for my leadership as I was given anonymous orders, while in the thread I pleaded to be recruited back to town. In the public QT I argued with the Leader in an effort to be distanced from the cult while being fed orders by the same person I was arguing with. All of my correspondence with you has been with the underlying notion that you may be the cult leader, or you may be a special town role, and if so I made statements and claims that you and only you can prove or disprove.
I have been playing both sides, willing to jump ship and go to another team on a whim, if it means I can survive a game for once. I knew the leader was planning on killing Secura last night, so I publicly defied him knowing it would buy me one more day and perhaps one of the pepperoni leaders would be killed or someone would recruit me back to town.
Hear you not my cry for help, yet you want to lynch me instead?
Are you one of the Pepperoni leaders, perhaps the 2nd in command? Suggesting that one Pepperoni leader is dead when in fact both are still alive is highly convenient for you and your boss, which lends merit to the ridiculous nature on which you base TLDs "role" as the propogandist. It also means if you can get someone else lynched and murdered for one more day your team will be almost unstoppable as you will still have at least 1 night kill remaining between the two of you.
This also explains why you PM'd me exactly 30 seconds after I posted in the QT that I knew who the Boss was. I waited until after night phase because I wanted to see if they would murder me, and then I came to you with the notion that I was the leader, a notion you were way too willing to buy off on despite evidence suggesting otherwise, probably because it was very convenient for covering your own butt.
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ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Classical_hero GENERALHANKY
GeneralHankerchief CLASSICAL
Major Robert Dump CLASSICAL
Renata MRD
Robbiecon CLASSICAL
Seon NO VOTE
Classical is the lynch leader with 3 votes. You have the extension due to lack of votes at the deadline.
In case I wasn't clear, C_H is still my primary suspect.
My secondaries used to be GH or Seon, but now it is Renata for the manner in which she bought into my claim of being the Pepperoni leader.
Here is a question: Why would I, as the leader, hand you guys Romanic knowing full well that the "Boss" was going to kill Secura during nightphase and therefore revert all the Sausage cultists back to town, stacking the cards against my clan with a sudden influx of townies?
I am going to unvote for now and read the QT and see what is going on. Is Renata giving out this QT a ploy to get people off her? IS GH being saying those things to get the suspicion of him? This game just got very much interesting.
Considering we are dealing with most likely a lurker who is trying to be the winning cultist I will say that vote:ArpeggiateTHIS is the most likely one to be the leader. I have rarely seen him post and it seems that he is very much lurking in this game and trying for the victory.
So classical_hero just made a new post in the QT as himself, saying "thanks to Renata for this". It made me realize that another strike against him was that the general timeframe he posted that generally corresponds that the times that "Boss" made his posts in the QT.
This is getting funny now. :laugh4:
Well today is a Saturday, so I am not at work. So that means I have time to be posting at that time, but when I have been working, which is from 12pm to 8m my time and sometime even later, it means that the Boss cannot be me since i do not have internet access at work and I can only ever post from home. The time that it equate to in the QT is 12am to 8am, since right now ET is 12 hours behind my time. So you can see from the below picture the time is 4:44am ET, which equates to 4:44pm my time, which means i would somehow would have posted that from a mobile device, which my current LG shine can't do, since I have tried to view the forums on my phone, but it is not smart enough to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Just go to the most recent post of the person caled the Boss to see his time, since ATPG does not allow screenshots, so he asked me to remove it. But since the link is above you can all see for yourselves.
So you can see that I could never have posted that, since I am a shift worker, so that means that ever two weeks I do one shift and then the next fortnight I do another shift, making my posting times erratic.
I have to a big hearty thanks to the cult leader for thinking so highly of me. He is doing his very best to set me up for the fall and I thank him for thinking so highly of me to have such an elaborate set up all aimed at getting rid of me. He must have figured out by now that I am an unrecruitable townie and doing his best to get rid of me by any means needed. I am truly grateful for being though of so highly, it is truly a great honour for such an elaborate scheme to be placed in trying to get me lynched. I am so honoured about that. That is why this QT has been leaked since it is now out of use, sin there have been no posts since Wednesday. So such a scheme needs a great defence, which is why I am doing something I rarely do and post a big long defence of myself. So lets have a look at the voting patterns.
Day one votes:
Askthepizzaguy: 3 (GeneralHankerchief, TheLastDays, issaikhaan)
Diamondeye: 2 (classical_hero, Believer)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Ibn-Khaldun, Mr. Stuka)
issaikhaan: 2 (Romanic, Diamondeye)
ArpeggiateTHIS: 1 (Renata)
Mr. Stuka: 1 (Secura)
Poulus Romanus: 1 (Captain Blackadder)
Day one votes are generally wrthless since it is just feelers for the game, so not much could be happening on that day, but by any right the game should have been finished with the death of the host. :wink:
Day two votes:
Blackadder: GH, IK, Renata, Romanic, Mr Stuka, classical_hero, MRD,
GH: TLD, Populus Romanus, CB
Mr Stuka: AT, Secura,
Renata: Believer
Believer: DE
Most people voted for CB on the instructins of GH. Not much to go there, unless GH is actually the boss, but I don't think that is likely.
Day three votes:
Stuka: Arpeg, Secura, Renata,
GH: DE, PR,
TLD: Romanic, GH
MRD: IK
Believer: TLD
Arpeg: Stuka
Day four votes:
4 Believer (Diamondeye, Major Robert Dump, GeneralHankerchief, TheLastDays)
3 TheLastDays (Romanic, Believer, Populus Romanus)
1 GeneralHankerchief (classical_hero)
1 classical_hero (Secura)
1 Major Robert Dump (Ibn Khaldun)
---
4 not voting (ArpeggiateTHIS, Renata, robbiecon, Seon)
Day five votes:
5 Populus Romanus (Secura, Arpeg, robbiecon, DE, Renata)
4 robbiecon (MRD, TLD, CH, Populus)
2 TLD (Romanic, Ibn)
1 DE (GH)
---
1 no vote (Seon)
Day six voting:
DE: GH, robbie, Romanic
GH: Seon, c_h, DE
robbie: TLD, MRD
Seon: Secura,
Day seven vote:
GeneralHankerchief SEON
Romanic SEON
Secura SEON
TheLastDays ROMANIC
Major Robert Dump ROMANIC
Renata ROMANIC
Seon ROMANIC
Classical_hero GENERALHANKERCHIEF
ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Robbiecon NO VOTE
So I hav highlighted my suspect based on his behaviour in the game. Appreg has hardly voted and the times he has he has been voting to get people eliminated, making his job so much eaiser. He is lurking his way to victory, if you allow him to.
This is entirely my fault, but "No screenshots" should be in the rules, and it's not.
Consider it to be as of this moment. C_H posted nothing incriminating or bad, but at the same time, I realized he just did it legally and I couldn't allow that as a precedent.
Sorry.
C_H: Originally, I thought it was Arpegg too, but then I saw the repeated "kids" thing in the Quicktopic. I'm about 97% sure that he is a RL friend of Subotan's, who is definitely a university student, and under Arpegg's profile it even lists "student" as his occupation. Now there's you, who just in your most recent post admitted you're a shift worker and thus more likely than not older than Arpeggiate. So, I ask you (and the rest of the town I guess), which scenario is the most likely:
a) A 19/20ish year old university student has multiple children and is not lying about it in the QT
b) A (presumably) older member of the workforce has multiple children and is not lying about it in the QT
c) Arpeggiate is the cult leader but does not have any children and all of the references in the Quicktopic mentioning that he does not to mention his .Org profile are an elaborate trap set up from the very beginning of the game specifically designed to frame you.
This doesn't even take into account the whole handkerchief/hankerchief distinction, which is another strike against you.
In addition to the above:
Take Arpeggiate's post on July 7th:
Now, "Boss" made multiple posts in the QT on July 3, 4, 5, and 6. So "Boss" was very clearly monitoring things on those dates, while Arpegg was nowhere in sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS
Finally, take "Boss"'s post 121 in the QT:
And let's cross-reference that with the voting record you mentioned above:Quote:
I have been trying to get GH lynched from day 1
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
What jumps out? For someone who says he's been trying to get rid of me from Day 1, Arpegg has not once voted for me. Contrast that with you, who has done so on multiple occasions.
Bottom line, either you're the boss or ArpeggiateTHIS is pulling the single most elaborate frame job I have ever seen in a mafia game. I leave it up to the town to determine which one is the more likely scenario.
Condensed version for the wall-of-text averse:
CLASSICAL_HERO IS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THE BOSS OF THE PEPPERONI CULT.
I am single and therefore I don't have any kids either. So if not arpeg, then it could be Robbiecon and he is using the chrome thing as a cover? But I am thinking the kids thin is about the game and not real life.
About the going after you from day one, I have only ever voted for you since day 4. I even voted with you on day two since you put up such a "strong, convincing argument" against CB, and yet you have kept that a secret, which is why I voted for you on day four, since generally only scum would ever try and control the town like that. So that is why I have kept my eye on you.
Highly unlikely, due to the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
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Originally Posted by QT 87
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Originally Posted by 91
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Originally Posted by 92
Granted, "Boss"'s tone changed in the following...Quote:
Originally Posted by 105
But then again you are mentioned in that same post so it doesn't tell us much. Also, TLD said in QT 94 that he was going to vote for robbie over me and "Boss" said nothing about urging TLD to go for me instead, an extremely risky play if "Boss" truly was robbiecon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 124
Also, robbie voted for Diamondeye on Day 6 and has never once voted for me.
Also, you're still not saying anything about the handkerchief/hankerchief distinction.
I have been mafia before when I went on a holiday and even then I did my best to at least check in the QT while doing so. Making sure at least things behind the scenes are working, so that does not count anyone out. What does count me out being the Boos is the posting times. That Boss has been posting at times when I have no chance to be posting, so how do you explain that one? That makes your argument look shaky at best and scummy at worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
#1, I have no idea what your schedule is, so people have to take this one at your word, which means absolutely nothing in these games. #2, you yourself mentioned you were on shift work, which means your schedule changes accordingly. #3, Arpegg is old news.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
Also, what I find most interesting is that you're clearly cherry-picking which spots to defend yourself on, and are ignoring the much bigger picture of how you are the only possible candidate to be the pepperoni cult leader.
Also, 3 sort-of defenses and counting and you still have yet to address the handkerchief/hankerchief discrepancy.
C_H You say you are a non-recruitable townie and Renata says she is one as well. I find it hard to believe that there would be more than one such role in the town with 4 already existing in the cults, that would make almost 1/3 of the participants non-recruitable. Either one or both of you are lying, and maybe the town recruiter was killed long ago.
I'm going to cry; I just lost my whole post and I hardly had time to write it in the first place.
Clearly we need some townies up in here.
This should say all that needs to be said about GH (from a PM to me):
[quote]Why's he fishing for the town recruiter (if it's not me)? When I posted what I did in public, I sent a PM to most of the remaining players also saying I was NOT the recruiter, and for whoever was the recruiter to keep mum and not contradict me. I don't want people to know who the town recruiter is. But GH wants to know, and he used incomplete evidence to do so: he hasn't been mentioned in the QT as a kill target for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
He also either failed to read or just plain lied about my own opinions in his post up there. "As Renata already said" that TLD is Boss? Er, no. I said that TLD is Propagandist.
And you'll note that in all of that analysis of who Boss is, he leaves person's name out, the one that *I* named: MRD.
Finally:
I repeat: GeneralHan[color]D[/color=red]kerchief. From MRD. I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
I believe that GH was recruited recently, is still cult, recognizes that I am correct (all of what MRD says in his defense is a smokescreen -- think of what he's been doing in public as true townie behavior, it makes no sense, it's supposed to give the impression of being a townie -- and the PM from Unrequited is clearly meant only to disguise TLD's real nature and the cult's current weakness), and knows that if MRD is lynched today the game will end, GH will die cult, and lose. For his own victory's sake, he needs to delay that.
I don't know why MRD took the risk of revealing accurately to me, but he did, and that's that. Everythign that Boss has done, the talking to himself, the outright lies in the QT intended to manipulate behavior (like that all recruits would never return to being townies once recruited the first time), the over-the-top histrionics -- it's all MRD to a T and has been since day one.
And he writes "generalhandkerchief", and GH chose to omit that fact.
CH, robbie, Arpeg, Seon, whichever are currently town please examine the evidence and vote for MRD. I have every reason to believe the game will then end with a town victory.
The town recruiter is most certainly still alive. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Well that is good news to hear. So you think it is MRD not arpeg. I am going to trust your judgement on this one Renata. unvote; vote:MRD.
Renata: When I asked you that question, I was asking you about the Pepperoni Boss, not the town recruiter. I couldn't give two hoots about the town recruiter.
Also, I did overlook the whole MRD handkerchief/hankerchief thing, mainly because I absolutely refused to consider that MRD would be able to pull off the scheme of having such a brouhaha with himself in the QT thread.
Finally, I never said that you said that TLD was "Propagandist" or "Boss". My theory is/was that C_H is "Boss" and MRD is "Propagandist", in this theory MRD telling the truth.
You've certainly mounted a more credible defense than C_H by offering a legitimate alternative target, and I need to think on this a bit more. But for now my vote stays on C_H.
Okay, I can see it.
Unvote: classical_hero
Vote: MRD
My two hangups with the theory were TLD's Post QT Post 43 where he said he had been recruited twice, but it could have meant that that he was an original Pepperoni, got recruited by Sausage, and then got recruited back by Pepperoni the following night. The other one was I can't see why MRD would have taken such a circuitous and elaborate endgame route in "outing" himself in the QT and then fighting with himself, but if TLD was Propagandist the entire time then it's more feasible than it was before. In the end "Boss"'s QT style does look a lot like MRD's, and he does have the handkerchief/hankerchief thing against him too.
Further convincing me that this is the correct story would be appreciated though. :sweatdrop:
Christ, I just pulled myself up from the depths of sleep because I thought of something else. Bear with me here for a minute.
In the middle of the "Boss"/"Not MRD" argument that got "too heated". The above was from "Boss", allegedly yelling at MRD.Quote:
Originally Posted by QT 118
I'm friends with MRD on Steam, and yeah, I see him online a lot, playing Total War and the like. Right now for example he's playing Warhammer. The question is, how would anyone else know this? They'd have to be friends with him on Steam.
Checking through MRD's friends list on Steam and his "games played" list, I can't find any real matches. Renata is active on CivFanatics, came here for Mafia, no Total War. Same with classical_hero, he even started a friend. Arpegg, again, came here through his RL friendship with Subo, I believe originally for the purposes of playing A Bridge Zhou Far. Seon's another immigrant only here for Mafia, as is I believe robbiecon. Really the only other person that would match "Boss"'s profile is, well... me.
I guess MRD got a little too cute there with the fake argument at the end, revealed a bit too much information. It's definitely him, guys - C_H, sorry for going after you earlier.
I'm definitely definitely going to sleep now.
Apologies for butting into a game I'm not playing, but after the above post, I wanted to point out that the forums have an auto-save feature for under-construction posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Well the person who is Boss is doing his very best to imitate people.
I had two PMs to you, GH; the first was about the Pepperoni cult's leadership, while the second was about the town recruiter. You responded to the second. So ... maybe.
At the moment I'm a little paranoid that I'm wrong about TLD and it's actually you who's leading that cult with MRD, but it would have to be an absolutely astonishing display of brinksmanship if that's the case, given all those "lynch GH" posts from the Boss. And MRD's apparent forgetting that me plus CH PLUS TLD should make three unrecruitables, not two, is more consistent with the "Unrequited" story being fakery trumped up by him to cover for TLD's loss than it is with it being truth. You'd think being a cult leader, if someone was described as an unrecruitable townie, you'd remember it.
Bottom line, I'm fully convinced of MRD and if I'm wrong about the second leader already being dead, so be it -- I made my gamble.
I think the vote is 3 to 2 right now, and at least some of robbie, Arpeg and Seon must be townies; I'd love if they came in and voted.
I'm being thrown under the bus by the same people I vowed to defend.
I cannot believe a case is being made based on the spelling of GHs name. Furthermore, my constant presence on steam has been discussed in threads. The idea that I would argue with myself is ludicrous, and this essentially boils down to the Pepperoni leadership convincing me to be the liason in an effort to draw attention while they eliminated The Sausages. I suppose I deserve it, though, as I was publicly stating my disdain with the cult in thread.
Calling for the lynch of GH turn after turn after turn is a great form of misdirection, particularly when one knows that it will be almost impossible to coordinate in the QT with everyone worried about anonymity and vote tracking. It also explains the abusive nature of the Boss's posts. There has been no mention of Pepperoni in the obituaries, look for yourself. After this lynch today, there will be 1 and possibly 2 night kills left. Once again I will be the patsy. I'm tempted to change my vote to GH, but at this point it does not matter and at least with a tie with C_H I would get a duel.
To the Pepperoni leader: You are a real jerk
I just want to say, I haven't even read these arguments but I find the repeated mentioning of "handkerchief" versus "hankerchief" especially amusing.
Will be at work, round ends at the 48 hour mark unless there's a tie.
I was going to post something lengthy that addressed alot of the why's and whatfor's, but I felt that it was pointless since the only thing that needs to be said is "you're making a huge mistake here, guys."
Now that the Pepperoni QuickTopic is public knowledge, I can draw attention to Post #115, which states "I was a boss a couple of months ago and nobody listened to me then either." If you look at the games that have passed a few months back that followed a 'godfather' structure, your attention should be drawn to a certain large game that was based on the Metroid series, featured a plethora of other video game characters and centred around two mafia teams.
Look closer and you'll find that one of the players in this game was a godfather in that game; view their QuickTopic and you'll learn that their teammates largely ignored their input and went their own way, just as the boss in this game states. Once you've read that, reconsider this bandwagon against MRD and place your vote where it belongs.
EDIT: Major Robert Dump did not play in the game I refer to, bear that in mind too.
EDIT+: I still think it's a bad lynch, but if all that arguing in the QuickTopic was a case of 'me, myself and I'... I don't know whether to applaud MRD or arrange to have him sectioned. :P
If I totally screwed up, you could just name names, Secura. It's not like what you've said is impossible to look up, but it's not exactly at the top of my memory.
It would be par for the course the way most of my games are going right now.
You do mean classical_hero. I suck.
I do, yes.
If it's any consolation, I like your case against MRD, I just prefer classical_hero for the lynch.
Ah hell.
Vote: Classical Hero
Unvote: MRD
Vote: classical_hero
At this point there's different pieces of evidence pointing to both candidates, so I'd call it a 50-50 shot. However, since C_H was my initial instinct, I'm shamelessly going to switch back to him.
Round ended at the 48 hour mark, which was after this post but before Secura's post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
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ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Classical_hero MAJOR ROBERT DUMP
GeneralHankerchief MAJOR ROBERT DUMP (Unvote was late)
Major Robert Dump CLASSICAL
Renata MAJOR ROBERT DUMP
Robbiecon CLASSICAL
Seon VOTED LATE
MRD: 3
Classical: 2
I have a bad feeling about this.
DAY EIGHT
And so the remaining survivors gathered in the center of town. Askthepizzaguy was strangely depressed from some other game he had been playing, so he just allowed everyone to assemble and debate whenever they wanted to.
Askthepizzaguy: "Who did you guys figure was a heretic this time? It seems you were right about Romanic. And we found another cult leader dead, so that means at most, you have two left to go."
General Hanky: "No, there's only one left to go. It must be.... classical_hero."
Robbiecon: "Yes, it must be captain hero! Kill the hero!"
Major Robert Dump: "Prepare to die, mister hero! BWAHAHAAAA!"
Classical_hero: "Who, me? It wasn't me. That's silly. You're silly, cadet kerchief."
Askthepizzaguy: "You want to kill the hero? Okay, sure, let's do that! Are you ready for death, hero?"
General Hanky: "WAIT!"
Askthepizzaguy: "Now what?"
General Hanky: "My nose hairs are tingling. Something is askew."
Askthepizzaguy: "Gesundheit."
General Hanky: "Thank you. Now, I'm not a fancy, big city lawyer, but it seems to me, even someone as crazy as Major Robert Dump wouldn't go the route of arguing with himself in a quicktopic. But if TheLastDays was a propagandist, then I suppose it makes more sense."
Major Robert Dump: "That's absurd! He only ever posted as the Propagandist, or TLD. He couldn't have posted those arguments. You're wrong, Hank. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong wrong!"
General Hanky: "I am?"
Major Robert Dump: "Yes. You're on the completely wrong track. You've got it all backward, in fact. You see, I know firsthand that TheLastDays couldn't possibly have posted those things, because I was a mole on the inside of that whole cult, working to bring it down."
General Hanky: "You were?"
Major Robert Dump: "Yes. I was there since the very beginning, undercover as the Premier Pepperoni Pontiff himself. I figured there was no better way to infiltrate the cult than being its leader. No one would ever suspect a thing. And so I worked tirelessly, throwing myself into character, eating NOTHING but Pepperoni.... slowly convincing myself to like its meaty flavor, its greasy aftertaste, and its suggestive shape! I swallowed more Pepperoni than most mortal men would ever dare! And I grew to like it very much indeed. Then, I made sure that everyone else liked it as much as me, by having my apprentice, TheLastDays, kidnap people and force his pepperoni down their throats. He was so good at it that I made him my Primary Pepperoni Propagandist in charge of the whole cult-spreading thing. The plan was so incredibly ingenious that it would never, ever be unraveled."
General Hanky: "Astonishing."
Major Robert Dump: "And so I toiled in secrecy, forever loyal to the Order of Pizza-Eaters, working under the code name 'Deep Meat'. I was their most experienced and knowledgeable spy. I had the entire cult of Pepperoni worshipers under my complete control. Where there was rumors of dissent and disorder, those rumors were planted by me and me alone! When there was chaos and disloyalty, that was merely an act done by myself personally. And we had infiltrated the Sausage cult as well, sending TheLastDays over there repeatedly as their convert, but he was still loyal to the Pepperoni, and therefore, still loyal to me."
General Hanky: "Truly you have a dizzying intellect."
Major Robert Dump: "Wait until I get warmed up! Where was I? Oh yes. So, I personally ordered the kidnappings of all the various peasants in town, and I jammed my spicy greasy meat poles in their gaping maws until they worshiped it instead of the almighty Pizza. Soon, they all bowed down to me.... I had total control over their minds. But little did they know it was all a ruse... I was taking meticulous notes... orchestrating scheme after scheme.... completely fooling everyone. And now, I have all the evidence I need, to convict almost all of you traitors! I am MAJOR ROBERT DUMP, the highest ranking operative of the Order of Pizza-Eaters, and I have proven that most of you are heretics under my control, respecting MY authoritah!"
General Hanky: "The highest ranking operative?"
Major Robert Dump: "Yes! The highest ranking!"
General Hanky: *looks at his own name tag* "Could you possibly be overlooking one minor detail?"
Major Robert Dump: "Whatever it is, it is of no concern. Soon, the heretics will be crushed, and all of Pizzadom will belong to me! My work here is finished. I'll soon have my finished report on Askthepizzaguy's desk. I'll be a hero for sure."
General Hanky: "I declare that Major Robert Dump is a heretic. KILL HIM!!!"
Suddenly, everyone in town besides Major Robert Dump went into a zombie-like trance.
Crowd: "Must... kill... Dump.
Must... kill... Dump.
Must... kill... Dump."
Major Robert Dump: "Already I have legions of admirers who have come to carry me on their shoulders in a parade through town. At last, I'm getting what I deserve!"
And so the crowd picked up Major Robert Dump and brought him towards the Magistrate's office at the center of town. But instead of carrying him inside, they went around back, to where there was a small wooden structure.
Major Robert Dump: "I can picture it now... hordes of cheering fans, more gold than I could ever spend, women, women, and more women... medals, titles, a mountain of chocolate, and a fountain of beer. At long last, my plans have finally paid off!"
General Hanky: "PUT HIM IN!!!"
And so the crowd ripped open the wooden door, and hurled Dump head-first into the darkness.
Major Robert Dump: "Look, a mountain of chocolate!"
Suddenly, a cement mixer driven by Askthepizzaguy backed up and crushed the wooden outhouse, and began pouring cement into the latrine, sealing Dump in with his fabulous reward.
Askthepizzaguy: "Good work, GeneralHankerchief. I was a little worried there, but it seems that your loyalty and service to the Order of Pizza-Eaters cannot be questioned."
GeneralHankerchief: "Actually, for a while there I was pretty sure that Pizza was rather nasty. But I got better."
Askthepizzaguy: "Indeed. That reminds me, I have to personally thank the Grand Inquisitor!"
Robbiecon: "All in a day's work, folks. It was I who went running around at night, kidnapping heretics, and force-feeding them the correct, balanced food which serves everyone's nutritional needs. It was the least I could do for the Order of Pizza-Eaters."
Askthepizzaguy: "What can I say, this outcome was probably the best I could have hoped for. Only about half of you died! Isn't that something? How about we all order some Pizza to celebrate!"
Renata: "I'll take mine with Pepperoni!"
Suddenly, everyone stopped talking and stared coldly at Renata.
Renata: "Eep." :creep:
Askthepizzaguy: "As long as it is a topping on your pizza, that's perfectly all right."
And everyone had a good laugh. And they all personally ate 12 cheese pizzas with extra cheese, pepperoni, sausage, green peppers, onions, mushrooms, black olives, pork, beef, bacon, chicken, and red peppers. BUT NO ANCHOVIES. :stare:
Alive:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon
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Good game everyone.
Quick comment - I feel this setup is unbalanced, specially the rule converting all the cultists to Town once a cult is destroyed. It makes backstabbing a cult interesting for recruitable players, while the reverse isn't true. Also the Informed Minority vs Uninformed Majority isn't real here. The Town is arguably on par information-wise as they get 12-14 phases to figure what's going on before the mafia can kill their members safely (a lynch not being safe - calling for someone's head in the QT will reveal information that the Town can use later to deduce who are the leaders).
Some point to prove this - Renata not voting our way, after we recruited her, probably because she was considering her options even though she was one of ours.
As she said:
"My bargaining power as a regular "townie" is greater now than it will ever be."
Indeed. And us giving her information to convince her to "tag" with us was definitely something we couldn't afford. In this case we requested that Renata vote DE, to save GH, who wasn't one of our leaders, but the same could have happened if our leaders were on the line.
Once you cannot trust your own team, a game is flawed. This setup turned all vanilla townies into pevergreens types, ready to backstab their own teammates just because it was good strategy to do so.
And I'd like to hear what vanilla players thought about this setup. I feel that anyone who put some thoughts into this setup would figure that they should be siding with the Town, even if recruited by a Cult. That's what I would have done anyway.
Well I basically flew by the seat of my pants this game, so I'm not really in a position to comment. To be honest I didn't really examine the mechanics or anything else like that in depth, which I think served me well all in all. :laugh4: Romanic, I did figure you for the Sausage Cult leader due to posting style in the QT, but obviously at that point I was on your team so I didn't say much. Once I got converted back to townie and things got more in the open I was actually able to make sense of things, and luckily Renata convinced me for just long enough for my vote on MRD to be valid. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
I particularly liked GeneralHankerchief's early game decision to insist on lynching certain players without providing reasoning. And people followed him, too.
Very entertaining.
Okay, regarding the Blackadder thing: Yes, there actually was reasoning behind it, believe it or not. However, since I'm always playing the metagame, I'm still not going to tell you what it was.
Wow. I almost lived another day. Really too bad about the inactivity in this game.
Yeah, yeah, I torpedoed myself with the Renata thing. What else was there to do? Based on the mechanics of the game, the only viable strategy in my opinion would be to essentially lynch/murder your own recruits while pretending in the QT you were trying to protect them. And I didn't want to be the guy who killed my own teammates.
Everything in the QT was a lie. Every seed we planted about me being in previous games, who we were recruiting, me having kids, me arguing with myself, me being abusive, erratic posting times and personal problems was a lie because we knew that ultimately the detectives would dissect the subtle nuances. We knew everything would eventually come to a head and we would need things to be inconsistent and have people chasing ghosts when the QT ultimately became public. It almost worked. (and for the record, I did not pose as Classical Hero, I just made stuff up and it happened to fit him, I know nothing about him personally or his game history. The fact that he attacked me in Sigurds mafia game was good for me and bad timing for him.)
Here was the problem: As mentioned above by Romanic, no recruits were trustworthy, and some could potentially bring you down. This made it almost impossible to coordinate votes. This made it impossible to talk larger strategy outside the two leaders.
The argument with myself:
I claimed to Renata and Seon in PMs because I needed them onboard so we could eliminate Romanic and Secura in the same round as soon as killing became available. If one of them survived there was a high chance that they were going to kill me because TLD said I was a suspect. It was a lose/lose situation. Reveal my identity either directly or though obivous voting and get Romanic lynched, or let one of the Sausages last another day and murder me. The argument was a last-ditch effort to make them doubt me as the leader and possibly suspect someone else for the night phase where they killed TLD. I actually thought TLD was in the clear and was surprised by his death. It was probably unnecessary to both have the argument and claim to Renata and Seon. In retrospect it looks like C_H and possibly Seon were bigger suspects than I, and I could have probably survived another day.
Also, I never visited the Sausage QT. I requested that TLD keep it to himself and just inform me what was happening
Renatas initial correspondence with me irked meespecially her insistence that she wanted a cult win, as did her absence for most of the voting on the day we lynched Romanic. That should have been the red flag.
I would like the thank TLD for being such a good sport and giving me solid intel on who the other cult leaders were. He was spot on, for reasons I won't go in to. It was his idea to pose as a recruit to our own cult, which is why we initially outed Renata, that way we could justify outing TLD and making him recruit bait for the Sausages.
Still haven't survived a mafia game
GG (except you Renata, you are a jerk face)
In this game you could not really trust anyone since they could become something else at an instant. I knew that I was one of the few people who could not change their alignment, so I knew I could not just blurt out that I was always a townie, s that would make me a target of the cults. I wonder if I ever got attempted at being recruited.
When reading the leaded QT, nothing made any sense in that whatsoever. So I got the hint that it was a big set up. Since I became the target of suspicion after it's release it was naturally I assume it was there to set me up. But that was not the case, but it sure felt like it, until Renata got the word out.
About your spelling GH. I just separated the two words in my browser and that is why the 'd' is in it, since without the 'd' in it it is underlined, so I made that assuption. Plus it is really had for me to see the mods of the forums considering the skin I use. The mods are green over a dark bluish and those two colours. I use the NTW skin and use that and see if you can read your name in it. So that explains my spelling of your name GeneralHankerchief.
That is why I started to suspect him, which is why he thought it was me in the QT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Does this mean we cannot eat Pepperoni on our pizzas?
Not that I care, I like pastrami way better.
Also, DE your lynching was not intentional on my part, I miscounted votes and did not expect you to change your vote. I changed my vote to stay unpredicatble. Your demise was actually the first nail in our coffin.
OMG I was right. I was right? OMG.
Er, that is all.
OMG.
Four. To Pepperoni the first night, to Sausage later on, then right back to Pepperoni, then to townie. I'll have a lot more to say tomorrow.Quote:
This was an insane game. How many times DID you get converted or de-converted, Renata?
Alright, I have a bit to say, since I had, of course, all insights into the Pepperoni Cult and a pretty deepl level of insight into the Sausage Cult.
This will not be a commentary in a traditional sense, more my take on a few aspects of the game but it might be a bit long-ish so bear with me, if you will.
First of all: Here's the real Pepperoni QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/n6tKnGK2g4m3d
Now as for my comments:
The Setup:
Well, this was a very difficult game for the cults I think. We never knew who we could trust and, as it turns out, we couldn't trust anybody. I think two competing Mafia factions will always be hard for the Mafia and very benefitial for the town and, in this game, this was aided even further by the fact that it didn't make much sense for a townie to "betray/backstab" the town and hope for recruitment but it made much sense for the recruits to backstab their recruiters, as is evidenced by i.e. Renata. IMO adding the town recruiter might have been a bit too much but, ATPG, don't understand this as negative criticizing, rather feedback or my opinion.
What's very interesting about the setup is that a lot of activity took place in various Quicktopics and Chats or PMs, even more so than in other games I think. The activity in the thread was at times just an outlet of what was done in private. An indicator for this is the very low post count of the game.
In the end I have to say it is a setup that can provide a lot of fun, I think. Inactivity was a bit of a problem at times, I think with a player base that was a bit more active the game might have been even more fun to play.
My "Schemes":
It all really just started out with us (MRD and me) deciding that we would recruit me as round 2 recruit to give me an "alibi" as a mere recruit. We decided on our first recruit, which was a wrong decision, but more on that will follow later. The first night ended and I got the PM that I was recruited by the Sausages. Interesting. Immediately I began to weave my plans and then we started to put them into action.
First I entered their cult as a usual recruit but upon round two we stuck to the plan of recruiting me to the Pepperoni. I then told the Sausages that I had been recruited (All that is in the original Sausage QT which was closed before GH was recruited) and wanted to be recruited back by them. They did recruit me back and I gave them access to our (all fake) QT.
I also tried to hide my identity as the Propagandist by changing my posting style. I did make these ellipses in the beginning but stopped quite soon. I faked american spelling for words like favor/favour, while usually I always use british spelling. Both MRD and me tried to mix up our posting times. I even made a few posts as "Boss". They had practically no real content and were only there to pretend he was online at times where MRD never was. I did things like calling GH "The General" and ATPG "Pizza" which I usually don't do. Overall I think this worked quite well, given that possibly Renata was the only one that I couldn't fool.
Later on, after I vote switched from Seon to Romanic and it was obvious that I "betrayed" them, I told Secura that I was an inconvertible townie that tried to play both cults against each other. I don't know how much she believed me at that point but before that I was trusted by the Sausage leaders and, believe it or not, it was a painful experience to backstab them, even though I didn't have a choice.
Quite a few times during these private discussions and the course of the game I almost felt "disgusted" by myself. I realized that I am a much better liar than I want to be. If I had been recruitable, it's very likely that I would have never betrayed those that first recruited me but since my allegiance could never be changed to begin with, I took my chances and did what I could to help the Pepperoni.
Figuring out the Sausages/other players:
Honestly, this part of the game was the most fun to me. Doing the detective work to dissect their QT and find out who was behind the masks of "Diamondeye" and "Cult Leader". Quite a bit of that process can be read in the Pepperoni QT. I had Secura pinned quite a while before she was confirmed by a little mistake she made, in creating their second QT with her own QT-username. Important hints were her posting times, her british spelling and some other things. It's all in our real QT. I had GH as a suspect for the leader for quite a while, actually until Secura told me they had recruited him N3. After that I had to search for others. MRD had mentioned that he suspected Romanic to be the leader and that Romanic wanted to get me lynched because they had discovered I was a traitor. It made me look out for Romanic and so I was pretty sure it was Romanic, also quite a while before Secura confirmed it to me. I don't think he actually wanted to get me lynched though. Romanic can probably confirm or deny this but I guess it was a pretty good distancing tactic for the day that my cover would be blown and the pepperoni would realize that I was a sausage after all.
Why we lost:
There's a bunch of reasons.
MRD apologized to me via PM yesterday, making it look like it was his fault and I heavily disagree. I think MRD made only one big mistake during the course of the game and that mistake wasn't game losing. He changed his vote in the round DE was lynched and that got DE into the tie where we lost him. I think DE was a legit recruit but he might have been derecruited anyway and, as I said, that's not what lost us the game.
Then there was the revealing PMs, where MRD sent out PMs to Renata and Seon, to get the to vote with us on the round we lynched Romanic. Probably there was also a PM to GH that round that revealed him. I have no idea how the content of the PMs was and how incriminating they were but the fact that they were sent out was rather my fault than MRDs. I convinced him to do this because I got nervous after Seon switched his vote and put himself in the lead. We probably should have sat it out. I don't know if Renata would have voted with us but since Seon didn't vote this round at all it would have probably been better to lose him (if he even was on our side at that point) than to expose MRD. I'm to blame.
There's one thing that stings me in this matter. I asked MRD is we could send them an anonymous PM, asking them to change their votes and maybe even convincing some sausage cultits to jump ship but MRD told me it was against the spirit of the game or against the rules and I agreed. I don't know who used the anonymous account device later in the game but it did disturb me a bit. Maybe someone could tell me if it's actually against Mafia rules to do that or if it can be done, for the future? :yes: That said, I have no hard feelings against anyone, it's just something I'd like to know.
I made a few mistakes in my cover. One of them was the ellipses and Renata called me out on it. I also made mistakes in strategizing, as I said, it would have probably been better to lose Seon that round and not even blow my cover that early. The Sausages would have probably killed classical and so on... I'm not going to spin this any further or I'll get upset with myself again ^^
There was also some bad luck involved. We lost DE on a tiebreaker. We recruited Renata who proved to be unreliable. Then we stole the one recruit from the sausages that wasn't really a recruit and now, in the end, it just figures that the switch back to classicall occured past the deadline. I can't remember everything but a lot can be read in our QT.
I do think that my mistakes in this game were much fewer than in my two other games as Mafia but in the end I'll just have to put this in my collection of "games I almost won".
Thanks everyone for playing and thanks for hosting ATPG! It was a fun game!
MVP: Renata - You were the one we couldn't fool. It seems you had your doubts in the end but your conviction was enough to push the town over the edge for the win. Very well played! :bow:
A few questions:
@Secura/Romanic: Why did you kill me? Did you actually figure me out as opposing cult leader and was it part of a strategy, thinking you might still win or was it basically retaliation?
@Seon: Why did you almost commit suicide the round we lynched Romanic?
@Romanic: Could we add a %losing list for the statistics? I'd like to make the top of at least something xD
Gah, I wanted to prolong MRD's suffering! Sorry to classical_hero, but I thought an alternate bandwagon might give the Pepperoni a slender hope of winning. :P
Well, Romanic gave me three options for the kill, claiming that you were all possible candidates for the Pepperoni leadership; yourself, Major Robert Dump and classical_hero. It was I that chose who died after that point, and for me there was only ever one real option... I guess to most it would look like revenge, but it's so much more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
You see, by that point I'd been having doubts about your claims for a considerable amount of time; the way that we wasted a turn recruiting you back for what amounted to minimal information, your lack of posting in the opposing QuickTopic and how you posted/the Propagandist posted, the fact that there is no mention of me in your QuickTopic beyond brief consideration as a recruitment, your evasive nature during private conversations and your eventual switch to Romanic even when it was in better interests for you to maintain your little masquerade. You revealed your hand too early.
Regarding the "might still win", I knew from the start that we wouldn't; not only was it my first game as a cultist and the odds stacked against the cults, but the very nature of the game was deception (moreso than any other game I've played) and unfortunately I'm not all that good at it. I reiterated to Pizza several times that we would lose, so far as predicting myself as the first kill... but I didn't give up, I merely followed Romanic's lead for much of the game (hence why I was so ready to trust you, that was at Romanic's suggestion), and the only times I struck out on my own ended in disaster.
I think that a town victory was the best outcome, albeit the most boring due to the ease of it compared to winning as cult; I stand by what I said about the Pepperoni Leader's behaviour, there's no need for language like that, staged or otherwise.
As I stated, I realize I made quite a few mistakes in that aspect. I partially blame my uneasiness with lying in that way, especially in private conversations. I hope no one hates me for it and I don't think roles like this are a perfect match for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I can't really comment on that. It was MRDs call. In the beginning I actually didn't think it was a good idea at all but then I realized that this infight with himself was probably what pushed him down below classical on your top suspect list. I agree though that the way of the argument was probably a bit over the top.Quote:
I think that a town victory was the best outcome, albeit the most boring due to the ease of it compared to winning as cult; I stand by what I said about the Pepperoni Leader's behaviour, there's no need for language like that, staged or otherwise.
EDIT: I also wanted to state that my post about "retaliation" was merely a question because I wanted to know. It's fair enough I guess :yes:
You said earlier I was undeserving of victory and you would explain it later, and then in your last post you said the language was uncalled for. Was that why? Seriously? Over a few F bombs?
I think that you played rather well, given the circumstances... were it not for your sudden u-turn on Romanic, our early fears might never have resurfaced and you could have passed by without being our kill target. In that case, I'd have gone for MRD, as by that point he was going to be a thorn in the side regardless of his alignment.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Actually, the reason why I believe that you were undeserving of victory is because the host was compliant in your deception; by intervening in the leader/Not MRD argument, which was apparantly staged entirely by you, Pizza made it look as though two elements of your cult were at loggerheads when that wasn't the case at all. Your little act gained alot of credibility as a result of his call for better behaviour and the threat of stopping the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
But yes, despite the fact it was all staged, the F-bombs were uncalled for, as were the personal attacks; I like to think that you wouldn't talk to real mafia/cult partners in that way, though. :3
Who made the dummy account?
I just want to come to ATPGs defense here. I didn't really realize it but obviously ATPG thought that me and MRD were fighting in the QT. I didn't realize that until he asked me via MSN if we were doing alright and why we were fighting. I then explained to him but that was, obviously, after his posts in our QT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
There's really no need to defend Pizza, I have full faith in him and know that he would never have made those comments in your QT if he was aware of what was really going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
It doesn't change the fact that his posts about the matter added a sense of validity to proceedings, though; prior to that, Romanic had told me that he felt the argument had been staged.
ATPG wasn't complicit and he was aware that TLD and I were posting as one another on occasion and he had no way of knowing who was who. Furthermore, the argument was not mentioned in the other QT. I was very surprised when he intervened, and in no way have any control over what the host does.
As far as being a jerk to others in the QT, it was my way of setting the stage for MRD and TLD "the recruits" to eventually mutiny and to invoke sympathy from infiltrators into the QT. As I already stated, there was nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to illicit a recruit to stay loyal and I have no reason to believe that being Mr. Nice Boss would have kept anyone from betraying the cult. Nonetheless, I still wasn't going to kill my own recruits.
As far as the F bombs and language in general goes, I am sorry if it offends you, but it was a private QT. I knew it would be compromised, therefore my colorful language was a subtle middle finger for all prying eyes. Anyone special visitors who were offended could just not visit, but you all were just to interested in the trainwreck that you had to keep coming back.
**Also, the edit in the self-argument towards the end was me posting as the wrong person. apparently 2 ppl were subscribers who got emails, and I am curious who it was, as I was unable to edit the content/username of the message, only delete it. So I made the subsequent email as "whiny boss" to cover for the fact that the deleted one was "boss" so I could at least claim a typo if someone produced that email.
I'd like to add some postgame commentaries but my dad just brought us pizza. True story.
He was though, even though he didn't realise it! His posts massively changed our perspective, because prior to that Romanic believed that the entire debacle was staged. This snippet from our private conversations shows Romanic stating that the whole thing had to be legit because of Pizza's intervention:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
I think, in the end, we stuck with the belief that it was legit, but this was probably the only time I was right about anything over the course of the game; more often than not, I opposed Romanic's ideas, particularly when he wanted TLD lynched as soon as he learned my identity via the QT mistake, since I felt Roman was contradicting something he'd earlier stated to me, when he suggested I should trust TLD and keep talking to him privately. Really, if I had deferred to the better player alot more, things may have gone alot differently than they did. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic & Secura, via MSN
Oh, and the language in the QuickTopic didn't particularly offend me, I just... don't see the point, really.
I agree that it was an unfortunate turn of events in that ATPG confirmed a ruse without knowing. There was nothing to be done about it though. Maybe MRD shoul have notified the host of what he was about to do but that's all there could have been done.
As I stated above I knew your identity quite a bit before that QT mistake. That was an unfortunate event too though. When I said we (Pepperoni) were struck by bad luck at times I was actually not implying that you (Sausage) were lucky, quite the opposite. I guess in the cult vs. cult setting we were more favoured by luck but in the overall course of events I'd say the town was fortuna's favourite this game :wink:
Back. Mine had PEPPERONI on it. And enough Garlic to kill off a thousand rats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Also, this is my 2000th post, woohoo :beam:
Because I typed in proper English, right? I'll pretend to be American more often. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Congratulations. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
I wear it with pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Ironically I would have been much more likely to work with you if not for that ruse in which you made my name public -- as I mentioned in my Sausage QT one time I think, it made it all but impossible for me to work with you, because I had no safe way of telling you when I had been recruited to the other side.
I did try with Romanic and Secura with their setup, but they woudln't give me what I wanted.
I'm sorry, but I don't have a clue what you mean; what did you want from us, exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I'm guessing it must have been something that Romanic was unwilling to budge on, whatever it was. :S
Can someone link the Sausage QT?
This is the original QuickTopic, though it's mostly me either getting things wrong or attempting to mislead recruits, with TheLastDays attempting to mislead me in turn. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
The second QuickTopic is here, though it's not as interesting as Romanic and I had taken all discussions onto MSN by that point and it became completely defunct once TLD's deception became apparant.
Congrats, DE! :bow:
Yep, that was part of it. Other parts were your post times that suggested Europe and your mentioning of Seon announcing his inactivity in the Lassara OOC thread. I figured that not many non-players would read that OOC thread. The rest was intuition until you opened that QT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Also, where's the Sausage QT with Renata? :P
I'm afraid I don't have it saved to My Topics. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
I decided against showing the "worse of" lists because not everyone likes to appear in these lists and I don't want to discourage anyone from playing here. These stats are meant to be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
You wouldn't appear anyway, not enough games yet (you need 10).
Renata wanted information. Unclear if she would have been satisfied until we revealed our identities to her. Anyway, in a game like this, you cannot satisfy a recruitable player this way. Renata was being difficult because she's like that. You won't get a candy until you gave her one first. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
ATPG - I'll be waiting for you to list the winners before entering this game in the database. I'm not sure who was what in the end, and if the remaining Pepperonis are considered to have reverted back to Town, since the last lynch ended the game.
1) Amazingly, ONLY DIAMONDEYE died while actually cult.... everyone else was de-converted or not converted before their deaths, other than the cult leaders!
That's a sad point for Diamondeye, as technically that makes him the only townie to lose the game; but cults are cults.
2) I had no clue the fight was staged between Dump and himself. The fact that he fooled me about it makes me kinda glad he's dead. :laugh4:
No trick game host. Bad mojo.
Yeah but at least it was funny. I accused myself of having white trash kids. Comic gold.
Oh, entertaining and very amusing, indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
You're a strange one, Major Dump. You're the king of kooky thoughts.
*breaks into a Grinch-like song*