Nictel because he's been lurking and he's the only other person near in votes.
Avoiding bad lynches is a good thing.
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Nictel because he's been lurking and he's the only other person near in votes.
Avoiding bad lynches is a good thing.
What does the bold part mean? I'm looking at Greyblades' death but I can't figure what you are referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
This thing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/.../ScanVisor.gif
The ability has an icon, a name, and a description. I suspect Chaotix took some inspiration from the Star Wars games, which did the same thing. That's the same icon my ability has.
Anything for the town :bow:
Unvote, Vote: Nictel
Unvote; Vote Nictel
Even though the same reasoning behind this can be applied to me,
I actually agree with this.
Unvote, Vote: Nictel
Drum up your support then Sasaki. I don't put it past TC's forging skills to have made this, but it's early enough for a benefit of the doubt.
For TC or for Beskar? I'm keeping my vote on TC. If he's mafia, I'd advocate lynching Sasaki or Glenn tomorrow. I simply don't see the case on Nictel, and Glenn's at least being helpful, even if it does come off as a bit... Too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
This should be the theme of mafia. "I'm not paranoid, just everyone else thinks I am."Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep
It must feel good working again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Thanks for that info, since I have no idea about most of the games and series this is based, so that info helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Don't forget we were a team on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Unvote, Vote: Nictel
It's Day 2 DE. If we want anytime to doubt, to organize and plan then we should start now, not 5 days later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
That is true but not a rebuttal of the reasons to vote TC. What Beskar's doing makes no sense as a mafia gambit exactly because it has time to come back and bite him.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Have you got an easier way of testing this Beskar's investigator than lynching TinCow? As far as I've understood (I don't know a lot about the universe of this game except for the few links Beskar provided and playing Super Smash Bros), TC's claim doesn't make a lot of sense.
All in all, a pretty solid case for D2.
Although I find Glenn somewhat suspicious, good points have been raised about the utility of keeping the people talking alive. I also agree that the risk of lynching a pro-town investigator is too great.
vote: Nictel
Think about the situation for a second while the vote is swinging toward Nictel. Nictel, of all people is being lynched in favor of TC, because Sasaki finds Seon suspicious (as do I) and wants ATPG's assistance. Beskar has nothing to gain just as much as Sasaki or ATPG making it obvious they are supporting TC, a player being accused of mafia connections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
No one would really be after Nictel right now if Sasaki/ATPG did not want it. So are you suggesting that they have nothing to gain, that a Day 2 attempt to save TC will only hurt them? This isn't WIFOM, this is me asking you if you legitimately believe that Beskar will lose more than Sasaki or ATPG. If not, I don't see why you are arguing.
Frankly, I think you're going to find a lot of your answers in the gameplay setup itself. Chaotix created this as a divided town modeled on Rubicon. Rubicon's divided town never really took off because I did not provide sufficient incentives for the factions to fight. There were also two pure pro-town roles that ended up being far more powerful than I anticipated. Chaotix knows this and has almost certainly adjusted the mechanics to ensure that some fighting between the factions will occur. I think it is very likely that some townie factionalists have various goals and/or abilities that are designed to cause a bit of chaos. Some of that is likely at work here.
It might just be because it's 4 AM, but I can't figure out what you're actually asking me here. I'll look at it again tomorrow, but I'd really appreciate it if you elaborated on what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I didn't play Rubicon, so this doesn't tell me a whole lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I spectated ATPG's Star Fox game... Is that a good example of a "divided town"-thingamabob?
Kind of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Rubicon had 2 mafia families and 2 towns. The towns could win together, or each could win with one of the mafia factions.
We're not too aware of the game's mechanics yet, but I'd be particularly cautious with anyone who claims to have one of these bounty hunter roles, given the lore; it's possible that they can be corrupted with Phazon as they are in the Prime series.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
This may be somewhat similar to Pizza's Star Wars or Lylat Wars games, where lynching/vigging specific roles denies the mafia the chance to bolster their ranks; thus we may have to do the same with the bounty hunters in this game.
I couldn't have phrased it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
After Beskar told me about the information he'd been sent and we had seen TinCow claim to be a town-aligned investigator (and his result having been confirmed by Sasaki), we theorised that it was plausible he could be a recruitment scanner for his respective mafia faction.
To me, this isn't something that can be proven without testing Beskar's source and following through with the lynch; if TinCow is left alive after this phase and roleblocked, then what? What does that achieve? Roleblocking TinCow won't prove his innocence, nor will it have any impact on the night kills because his role is to scan and nothing more; assuming that Beskar's source is correct, then it's likely he scans recruits for Dark Samus to convert.
DE. Investigations are nerfed. Waiting gives us info. Wasn't someone just posting about how my character was supposedly in a mafia faction? Imagine we are back in star wars mafia and you are saying "well it said he's tainted by the dark side, what better case do we have?".
What we have here with the nictel wagon is a case of "3-post player is a better lynch than the others".
I must have missed the meeting where that information was revealed; TinCow's scan of you was accurate enough. :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Secura
which of 2 factions
Big deal?
Don't :s me. If 3 people have it so far I don't doubt that it's just minor info. Most likely if we wipe out one mafia faction it will be very useful to have the results on who belongs to the other group. Till then it should be kept private. Were you in rubicon?
vote: abstain
I'm just too paranoid for this game.
I could technically clear some of this up without quoting, based on the observations of my role PM but that might reveal too much.
The scan of TinCow provides both a name and a faction (Corrupted Cloud Strife, Phazon), exactly as yours does; the difference is that your scan result doesn't imply that you are allied with Dark Samus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
So yes, it's a big deal.
No, I think it was hosted before I joined the Org, thus I've got no idea what people are talking about when they relate to that game. It's just one of a long list of great games I hear alot about but wasn't a part of, like Pirate Ship Mafia and the Capo games. :<Quote:
Were you in rubicon?
In line with what was mentioned, the sheer number of investigators at this point, Tincow, Greyblades and Beskar's contact, points out to the likely weakness of the ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
Anyway, while admittedly it seems prudent to test out investigations since it is self admitted that Tincow is not exactly a strong investigator (and thus not "the world is over!" if he's lynched, his response does not seem guilty, and therefore the other candidate is:
Vote: Nictel
Ahh forgot to unvote.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Nictel
Vote: Glenn I mean, he's clearly scummy.
Gah, unvote: Glenn, Vote: Nictel. Aren't you paying attention to the thread at all?
... Yeah... I still think its Glenn. Unvote: Nictel, Vote: Glenn
No no no! JOh hush you silly bear, you're making things worse. Just pipe down and listen to the investigations. Plus Nictel's been lurking! Unvote: Glenn, Vote: Nictel
But... but... I've been lurking too. Does that mean its me? Yes, yes it must! Unvote: Nictel, Vote: Yaseikhaan
.... Here, have some honey. Now go sit in the corner. Unvote: Yaseikhaan, Vote: Nictel
YORE LOGIC IS INFALLIBLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan
Unvote; Vote: Thefluffyone93
You're voting Nictel for "lurking" on New Years? Perhaps he has things to do what with it being a holiday.
grabs some popcorn
I like where this is headed. Don't mind me, I'll be in the corner.
No, check all of his posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Link
Abstain, abstain, not contributing, posting and intentionally not voting. He's not absent, he's either not giving a darn or he's trying to avoid suspicion.
This happened before New Years, plus he doesn't get a pass if he shows up and still doesn't vote.
It's been two day phases and he's posted in both of them, to say nothing both times.
maybe because he has nothing to say?
fos:ATPG
FYI, Cthulhu Saves the World is the best game I've played all year.
Wasn't one of the killers blue-eyed and small?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
HoS: seon cause I'm still voting for Glenn.
Yes but one of the killers also used ice to kill, didn't they Sasaki.
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Originally Posted by Motep
Watch where you point that thing, Motep. It has terrible aim.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
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Originally Posted by YLC
Is sasaki some ice dude?
fingers all around!
But seriously, Pizza. The town is blindly following you. I suspect a trap, honestly. You speak out against a bandwagon on Tincow, and yet you condone one on Nictel. To kill a lurker. A lurker is such a convenient target, no? Always suspect in these games. And so it is easy to push the town into killing them, because most of us tend to look at what is in front of us and ignore what is not there, a nice place for a mafia to be. But we see this, and kill them. And so where else for the mafia to hide but in plain sight? Not only that, but to take a role in guiding the town! But this is suspicious, too, and everyone sees it. And so what must be done now? Hide in lesser places? For some. But it is still good to control the town, and guide them into killing where you want to kill while thinking you are their innocent leader. How do you have this? By claiming a probable role. Another bounty hunter thing? A bit risky, seeing as it could be taken, but with enough care given analysis of such roles (this one could probably kill) you can pick one that is unlikely to be taken. And so: fos: Kojiro
A good friend to have along, two people both herding the town, coming from opposite directions and converging for the "greater good". I still levy my suspicions, and it is late, and my mind is semi-erratic, and this may not make a whole lot of sense as I may have missed a few details that are important but I think that the ultimate reason for this here already.
vote:ATPG
Sasaki is Rundas - http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/RundasQuote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Which means Sylux, Ghor, Spire, Kanden, Weavel, Noxus, Gandrayda as well as the now dead Trace are all in. Watch out for Sylux, he is after Samus - he'll behave as if he is a vig when he is actually neutral with the ability to detect Samus and possibly others who have joined her cause.
We have no way to say that they are all in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I see no reason not to suspect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep
They could all be in. But, they might not all be in. How did the other games roll when it comes to sets such as these?Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Well, I'm dead, so I can't vote, and I can't really figure out between the leading candidates who's mafia, as I haven't taken the time to go look through their posts.
As tradition between me and Nictel dictates that one of us must be somehow responsible for the death of the other, it's possible he killed me. If not, I suggest that he be lynched anyway, so that my suggestion may be somehow responsible for his death. :D
Close!Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep
(It's a tarp)
You know who complains about the town blindly following me to their doom, and I mean A LOT? :eyebrows:
The only way to actually lynch someone is to place more than one vote on them so.... yeah.....Quote:
You speak out against a bandwagon on Tincow, and yet you condone one on Nictel.
I fail to grasp your point, which you obviously think you have, but is invisible to me.
Not really. We've backed off of the "lynch the lurkers" thing for a while now, and for good reason. You do it enough and all the mafia has to do is not lurk and their odds of victory skyrocket.Quote:
To kill a lurker. A lurker is such a convenient target, no? Always suspect in these games.
Nictel's not lurking, either. He's shown up every round. He's simply not CONTRIBUTING when he obviously could be doing so. By my calculations that's either a basic townie or a mafia ducking suspicion, which BTW you'd know if you read any of my posts this round. Why you're accusing me of starting a wagon on a lurker, is beyond me, and it speaks to you not putting much thought into your FOS and subsequent vote on me.
Well, they could also hide in not plain sight, or perhaps someplace in between....Quote:
And so it is easy to push the town into killing them, because most of us tend to look at what is in front of us and ignore what is not there, a nice place for a mafia to be. But we see this, and kill them. And so where else for the mafia to hide but in plain sight?
.....Quote:
Not only that, but to take a role in guiding the town! But this is suspicious, too, and everyone sees it. And so what must be done now? Hide in lesser places? For some. But it is still good to control the town, and guide them into killing where you want to kill while thinking you are their innocent leader. How do you have this? By claiming a probable role. Another bounty hunter thing? A bit risky, seeing as it could be taken, but with enough care given analysis of such roles (this one could probably kill) you can pick one that is unlikely to be taken. And so: fos: Kojiro
Maybe you're unaware of this, but the logic you're using here is pretty tortured.
No offense, but when you ask yourself no less than six leading questions in order to arrive at your conclusion, it is reminiscent of something else.
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A good friend to have along, two people both herding the town, coming from opposite directions and converging for the "greater good". I still levy my suspicions, and it is late, and my mind is semi-erratic, and this may not make a whole lot of sense as I may have missed a few details that are important but I think that the ultimate reason for this here already.
vote:ATPG
Who had the most to gain from the double lynch yesterday? Could it be the mafia? Yes.... and WHO, my friends, would have the audacity not to vote for either of the tied candidates, in order to maintain the tie, and therefore cause two innocent people to die? Why the mafia of course. So the one who did not vote for the tie was actually most responsible, and therefore the most guilty.
FoS: Askthepizzaguy, for not leading the town toward disaster. As we all know, bad moves are usually townie moves, and moves that look wise in retrospect are caused by perfect information syndrome. You thought you could get away with it, but I agree with Motep, you've been leading the town astray by having lead the lynch on no one so far, which actually makes you the lead sheep herder of them all.
You thought you could get away with it with your logic and reasonableness and your not actually doing what you've been accused of, but I see through such simple tricks.
J'accuse, Pizzahut boy!
Nictel hasn't logged in or flinched at all since I began this wagon on him.
I would expect some sort of reaction by now if I were right. Still possible he's guilty and hasn't read a word of this, but my suspicions are starting to waver.
Ensuring the death of everyone you want to kill and noone who is the brainchild of anyone else. "Dont bandwagon on anybody unless I call for it, and only I call for it."Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I am not the most clear person, I am afraid. And I am sorry if I have confused you.Quote:
I fail to grasp your point, which you obviously think you have, but is invisible to me.
My spirit soars to hear this news. My experience on the matter is a bit out of date, and I am personally glad we got away from this. But if we stay away from the lurkers entirely, than we make another safe spot.Quote:
Not really. We've backed off of the "lynch the lurkers" thing for a while now, and for good reason. You do it enough and all the mafia has to do is not lurk and their odds of victory skyrocket.
Even better then! Not lurking, but being barely active to not count as a lurker. Someone lazy? Someone who is busy now and is staving off a loss of his place for inactivity? Besides, with lurkers in clear suspicion, what next place to look than those simply avoiding that? I dont think mafia would be this stupid.Quote:
Nictel's not lurking, either. He's shown up every round. He's simply not CONTRIBUTING when he obviously could be doing so. By my calculations that's either a basic townie or a mafia ducking suspicion, which BTW you'd know if you read any of my posts this round. Why you're accusing me of starting a wagon on a lurker, is beyond me, and it speaks to you not putting much thought into your FOS and subsequent vote on me.
The least suspicious place, that plain little thing that doesnt repel your eye but does not really draw it for too long. Loud obnoxious thing? Suspicious activity. A risky place, but one managable for the clever, and a place well worth the risk if played right. You and kojiro? I do not doubt in the least that you could pull this off.Quote:
Well, they could also hide in not plain sight, or perhaps someplace in between....
:laugh4:Quote:
Maybe you're unaware of this, but the logic you're using here is pretty tortured.
No offense, but when you ask yourself no less than six leading questions in order to arrive at your conclusion, it is reminiscent of something else.
I have to say, that is very amusing. I was going against both of you, but I realized he had not been included yet and I threw him in there in a way that seemed appropriate. My making of these posts is very linear, and I dont look back. Given enough time and effort, I could have polished that until it gleamed, but this is somewhat time sensitive. To top that off, I am somewhat lazy myself, and I do not really care if you think my logic is tortured. My mind is tortured! It is moving faster than my fingers, and I am merely trying to jot down what I recall of what I thought. I give it to you not on the premise that it is what is right, but that it is a possibilty. You guys may very well be happy, helpful people. And in the event of this, I am terribly sorry for bothering your work, but it is almost....too powerful. By following you two, and only you two, we cull out all other thought, and we become lazier and more vulnerable in the event that you are scum.
Those who pushed for, and those who let it happen. I was a bit late in my vote and was, admittedly, snoozing on the trigger. I will try to do better in the future to prevent such attrocities from occuring.Quote:
Who had the most to gain from the double lynch yesterday? Could it be the mafia? Yes.... and WHO, my friends, would have the audacity not to vote for either of the tied candidates, in order to maintain the tie, and therefore cause two innocent people to die? Why the mafia of course. So the one who did not vote for the tie was actually most responsible, and therefore the most guilty.
:laugh4: Nobody is perfect.Quote:
FoS: Askthepizzaguy, for not leading the town toward disaster. As we all know, bad moves are usually townie moves, and moves that look wise in retrospect are caused by perfect information syndrome. You thought you could get away with it, but I agree with Motep, you've been leading the town astray by having lead the lynch on no one so far, which actually makes you the lead sheep herder of them all.
You thought you could get away with it with your logic and reasonableness and your not actually doing what you've been accused of, but I see through such simple tricks.
J'accuse, Pizzahut boy!
EDIT: Sorry it took so long to respond. I have munchies, and needed to munch.
If there is no reason not to suspect that all of them are in, then it is to be assumed de facto that all are in. Or are you privy to information that we do not have at the general towns disposal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep
I wish I was. Only once in these games, if I recall, was I ever given a useful role. I try to avoid assuming things. On the off chance that we are wrong, it could be disastrous. I am just curious as to whether they are all included, or if greater variety is striven for here. They may very well all be here. Also, if they are all here, and there is already a managerie of roles for the GF, then I doubt they are all on the same side. Kojiro may have the role, you know, but the GF(Survivalist) could be a bunch of poo.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Classical_hero is still alive, isn't he? What about Johnhughthom? How about Beefy? I haven't ensured the death of anyone so far. It's not a foregone conclusion on Nictel either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep
I try not to lynch people for being a lurker-style player; I try to lynch people for subtle behavioral abnormalities. The ones that demonstrate a different brain wave pattern from normal, while still attempting to behave normally and failing at it in small ways.Quote:
But if we stay away from the lurkers entirely, than we make another safe spot.
Those are the mistakes which are the hardest for the mafia to avoid making: ones they aren't aware of.
Mafia have been known to employ every strategy. Lurking, pretending to be totally inactive, voting once per round, abstaining most rounds, keeping activity low but just out of the danger zone, trying to find the happy middle sweet spot, and being a talkative bag of hot air like me. Mafia would be "this stupid", trust me on that. This is exactly how I'd picture Nictel behaving as mafia if he was trying to keep his head down. The trouble is, it's also possible he's behaving that way as town and it just looks like guilty behavior. I don't know.Quote:
Even better then! Not lurking, but being barely active to not count as a lurker. Someone lazy? Someone who is busy now and is staving off a loss of his place for inactivity? Besides, with lurkers in clear suspicion, what next place to look than those simply avoiding that? I dont think mafia would be this stupid.
I could live with being lynched based on the premise that my behavior is a probable strategy I'd use if I were mafia. It's a weak case, and a wrong one, but at least it's an attempt at solving the game through thinking instead of randomness.Quote:
The least suspicious place, that plain little thing that doesnt repel your eye but does not really draw it for too long. Loud obnoxious thing? Suspicious activity. A risky place, but one managable for the clever, and a place well worth the risk if played right. You and kojiro? I do not doubt in the least that you could pull this off.
It is. :clown: However, the point is not whether or not your case lacks logic; the point is, is the case correct or not?Quote:
I do not really care if you think my logic is tortured.
In my case, no. You're off target here. No amount of good logic could save your case. No amount of bad logic will make it any worse. However, if you wanted to lynch someone, I would suggest making sure the logic adds up first; people do respond to that, especially when they're indecisive. Case in point; this round itself.
Dirty little secret: Not everything you say has to make sense or be accurate to matter. What matters is where your vote ends up, and who gets lynched. If I had to lie through my teeth and speak gibberish in order to get votes on the correct candidates, that would still be a winning move. Putting a "case" together on someone has exactly one purpose; making your vote more appealing for others to follow. It has no impact on the rightness or wrongness of your vote.
And that's coming from me, mister giganti-case.
I have no power but what others give me. I don't actually control brain waves. If people want to ignore my cases they can do so. If they want to blame me alone when the cases turn out right or wrong, they may do so. However, this is still a democracy and they're entitled to ignore me and follow their own instincts. That's a nagging little piece of reality that no one likes to talk about because it involves owning one's own behavior, and that's just yicky. Blaming someone else is like delicious cake.Quote:
I am terribly sorry for bothering your work, but it is almost....too powerful. By following you two, and only you two, we cull out all other thought, and we become lazier and more vulnerable in the event that you are scum.
Fun, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by ATPG
A good tactic, and I would employ it if I had experience with these people to go by. But, I guess I just suck soo much that it strangles me and threatens to kill everyone around me. So, even if I did have experience, it would be moot.Quote:
I try not to lynch people for being a lurker-style player; I try to lynch people for subtle behavioral abnormalities. The ones that demonstrate a different brain wave pattern from normal, while still attempting to behave normally and failing at it in small ways.
Ah, but if you were mafia....this is how you would act. So, we cannot exactly trust your claims of innocence, now can we?Quote:
I could live with being lynched based on the premise that my behavior is a probable strategy I'd use if I were mafia. It's a weak case, and a wrong one, but at least it's an attempt at solving the game through thinking instead of randomness.
time will tell, and only time. Nothing is certain.Quote:
It is. :clown: However, the point is not whether or not your case lacks logic; the point is, is the case correct or not?
One of the main reasons I am doing this is to get these indecisive people to think for themselves instead of placing their trust in one person. But, if there is someone to trust, and you are actually not out to get us all, than I could see them doing much worse than you. Another reason is because it is fun. Another reason is because I need practice. Another reason is because I need something to do when my girlfriend is replying. The final reason, of course, is me putting off sleep as I still quest for food and need to think of what else I could eat in this foriegn house!!! They dont have any fruit....:bigcry:Quote:
In my case, no. You're off target here. No amount of good logic could save your case. No amount of bad logic will make it any worse. However, if you wanted to lynch someone, I would suggest making sure the logic adds up first; people do respond to that, especially when they're indecisive. Case in point; this round itself.
Dirty little secret: Not everything you say has to make sense or be accurate to matter. What matters is where your vote ends up, and who gets lynched. If I had to lie through my teeth and speak gibberish in order to get votes on the correct candidates, that would still be a winning move. Putting a "case" together on someone has exactly one purpose; making your vote more appealing for others to follow. It has no impact on the rightness or wrongness of your vote.
And that's coming from me, mister giganti-case.
I have no power but what others give me. I don't actually control brain waves. If people want to ignore my cases they can do so. If they want to blame me alone when the cases turn out right or wrong, they may do so. However, this is still a democracy and they're entitled to ignore me and follow their own instincts. That's a nagging little piece of reality that no one likes to talk about because it involves owning one's own behavior, and that's just yicky. Blaming someone else is like delicious cake.
EDIT: Screw it. She went to bed, the food here is pre-processed poo, I am tired, and I need to cram two weeks of homework into tomorrow afternoon. I would love to stay and chat, but I have better reasons to sleep than to stay. I hope you enjoy your sleep, and I hope you are not scum. Whether or not you are scum, you are a wonderful opponent, and well above my meagre abilities for such things. But if I don't put my foot in the water for fear of being embarassed by better swimmers, how will I ever become a better swimmer?
Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?
Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"
"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"
Good point. Then again, you could just be trying to save your scum buddy tincow with this wagon on Nictel. Vote: AbstainQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
He's kinda got a point, it is odd that pizza goes on a lengthy tirade on only turn 2 when he's not being bandwagoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nictel
The bandwagon is getting reversed?
So I put myself on the line in this game, to actually reveal this information on behalf of an investigator, just so we as the town can strike the mafia hard in day two and you just fail around like total n00bs?
If TinCow doesn't get lynched today, the town deserves to fail, because not lynching him he one of the most moronic moves in existence. We have pretty much 100% proof that TinCow is a mafia, and you are there, voting randomly on people who could just be a random n00b townie.
Sorry Chaotix, your game looks great so far, so nothing being said about you, but seriously town, it is not even funny, get your act together and stop being such fools.
VOTE: TINCOW
It's 99.99999% Certain he is mafia scum
It's funny that you say this, because it's the exact feeling I had about someone else adamant about lynching you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nictel
Gameroom culture, unfortunately.Quote:
"I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow"
I'm sorry Beskar, the big words rule is already being used to get Double A lynched.
You're going to have to wait your turn.
Let's look at some "arguments" which are so stupid, they need to be countered once and for all.
"Let's roleblock TinCow, and we can get information out of him!"
Why this is a very bad idea?
This is bad on multiple levels.
Who is the roleblocker, does he even exist? Why use up a roleblocker on a known mafia, when he could help against unknown mafia? What information would TinCow ever reveal which will serve any real purpose? "Oh no... don't kill me, I will give you the names of my mafia partners?" :laugh4: ?
"Those investigation results didn't reveal anything, lets ignore them"
This person is either trying to cover for the mafia or just dumb.
The results say "Corrupted Cloud Strife" "Phazon faction". We know the town is GF and Hero faction, and they are not one of them, and Phazon's are bad guys in the Metroid series. In short, the result says "TinCow (Mafia)". That is accurate enough for me and should be for any townie.
"The investigation might be a fake!!111eleven"
Well then, how do you test a fake?
BY LYNCHING THE SUSPECTED MAFIA, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH, IF NOT MAFIA, LYNCH THE INVESTIGATOR!
I usually consider TinCow's posts as pure wisdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
This does not impede the random.org's chance of making him part of a mafia faction. If he isn't, I'm going to know I can trust his posts fully. But I'm still going to vote him. I'd urge others to join in; part of the lesson ATPG ended SW:FOTO with about bandwagons is that unstoppable bandwagons are bad since they ruin a day's discussion. But it also says that once discussion's through and the day is drawing to a close, you should pick the best case and stick with it. The best case today is TinCow.
I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel. Yes, he might be mafia, but he's got a nerve to lie low like this. I think he's just absent, and could be any role, even a strong protown role. We wouldn't know, because he's silent. I remember starting a Lord Of The Rings game off like this (on CFC). The silent D1 lynch was Aragorn. I'd rather lynch an exposed member of a mafia team.
Unvote: Nictel
9 Nictel (ATPGuy, Winston Hughes, sasaki, TinCow, Beefy, YLC, cecil, Death is yonder, khaan)
9 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura, ironside, Diamondeye)
6 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs)
1 Insanious (landlubber)
1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)
1 Beskar (Yaropolk)
1 Thefluffyone (Thefluffyone)
1 ATPG (Motep [Did not unvote], Nictel)
1 Motep (God Emperor)
4 Abstaining (Nightbringer, Capt. Blackadder, Motep, Link)
Landlubber is scummy imo.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, but what the Dickens has that got to do with anything when he's faced with a scan result that says he's mafia? Because he's a good contributor, we should leave him alive regardless of scan results against him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
I love the Gameroom, I really do, but this blind reverance of anything and everything that certain people say is just... frustrating as town or mafia; if it was Beskar revealed in such a manner as TinCow has been, people wouldn't be so hesistant to lynch him, would they?
This isn't a tirade against you DE, by the way. :/
The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.
The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal anyway.
Especially as it's just been the busiest holiday season of the year, I think the lurkers have to be given a little slack at this stage; it shouldn't and won't wash later in the game, though.Quote:
I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel.
Unvote; Vote: Tincow , after speaking a bit with Beskar
Hmph I've been looking over the posts from the last few days and I have to say I'm a little confused.
My ability (which I cant say anything about even though I'm technically a ghost who's allowed to talk to the town, does that mean death gives you a speech inpediment specificaly about roles?) was stolen and tincow says he has one that might be the same one, because of my impediment I cant confirm this but even if he did, say, know enough to convince me he has the same role, that doesn't mean anything because someone nicked it last night and would know about the ability.
So, theres a role running around with my ability who may be a mafia who can steal abilities of victims or someone else that can steal abilities from dead people. Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities? Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.
Also Beskar claims to be working with someone with an investigator role, which I might or might not have had, so theres the possibility that he is being used by the guy who stole my power, if investigate was indeed was my ability, who might be a mafia who steals from his kills, an actual investigator, or samus.
As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require judicious the new ability in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.Quote:
Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.
Vote: NictelQuote:
Originally Posted by God Emperor
Lets go tie, lets go!
As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require the new equipment you've acquired in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.
I think I got samus mixed up with kirby, still, this is a mafia adaptation so we can only guess at what she can do.
I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.
:sweatdrop: That was an attempt at selft depricating humor.
I'm voting for TinCow, Secura. I just meant to tell people you can do that even though he's usually a good town player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Basically, I agree with everything you said because it was exactly what I was trying to say as well. Sorry if my English failed me :shame:Quote:
I love the Gameroom, I really do, but this blind reverance of anything and everything that certain people say is just... frustrating as town or mafia; if it was Beskar revealed in such a manner as TinCow has been, people wouldn't be so hesistant to lynch him, would they?
This isn't a tirade against you DE, by the way. :/
The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.
The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal anyway.
Especially as it's just been the busiest holiday season of the year, I think the lurkers have to be given a little slack at this stage; it shouldn't and won't wash later in the game, though.
Also, concerning Samus; I think he was among the killers last night, what with a "Hunter" who moved by rolling in his "ball-form". I know he can do this in Super Smash Bros, at least; does anyone else in this universe have that ability (apart from Dark Samus, who most likely was the "Dark Hunter")? Vigilantekilling on N1 is a gutsy move, and one I wouldn't think a lot of people consider smart.
Unvote, vote: TinCow
Bah, his response doesn't sound guilty, but I'll be more inclined to trust my head in the face of this logic.
Unvote:NictelQuote:
The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.
The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal anyway.
Vote:Tincow
Since after all, Tincow's valued contributions can be made dead or alive. After thinking about it for a moment, one thing that stood out the most is that, should Tincow be dead and proven innocent, his analysis etc can be read with the extra credibility of someone who is definitely innocent, rather than being taken with a pinch of salt.
I realised this after I'd made my post, that's my bad... but my points still remain, I'd like more people to think for themselves; master manipulators are only effective because the people they have in their thrall allow them to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Someone hasn't been reading their TVTropes! :PQuote:
Also, concerning Samus; I think he was among the killers last night, what with a "Hunter" who moved by rolling in his "ball-form". I know he can do this in Super Smash Bros, at least
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death is yonder
Unvote: Beskar Vote:Nictel
Beskar, if you want my vote on TC, the answer my question. What did the investigator say when you asked him why he randomly trusted you on N1?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nictel
I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow. That's absolutely something I would do as mafia, because it would.... have an ice cube's chance in hades of working.
I get that I do crazy gambits sometimes, but honestly folks, use your freaking heads please.
Tincow IS probably Mafia. And Beskar knows exactly what I was doing this round, which was trying to extract information from Tincow via the following strategy:
1. I act nice toward Tincow, and try to "save" him
2. Beskar plays bad cop, and puts pressure on him
3. We get someone to reveal that they are mafia to Tincow, with an offer of alliance.
See how TC reacts to this. My bet was he'd react to either 1, 2, or 3, I don't care how awesome he is at these games. It's too tempting to flinch.
Well guess what? Plan failed, and you want to know why? Because people don't have any :daisy: patience or give me any :daisy: credit for having an intelligent thought once in a while.
I also don't appreciate having alternative ideas being called dumb. Having a one-track mind in a mafia game is dumb, and demonstrably so.
Thanks for listening.
unvote
Do what you want. I don't care right now.
Ooooooh
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Wassup town
Stop wasting your time lynching 'lurkers' and 'non helpful posters' and ACT on the detective result claim, because it definitely gives a more concrete plan of action, depending on the truth and falsity of the claim. Beskar has said something about TinCow and an investigator. Indulge him for now, and lynch him if he's wrong or lying.
Killing 'lurkers' and 'non helpful posters' or players termed as such is an AWFUL idea, because most 'lurkers' and 'non helpful players' are bound to be townies, many of who will show up when the game becomes more interesting and important later on.
Just a thought... :juggle:
Don't bother, Yaropolk. You're not voting for Tincow, so you must be "dumb". :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Unvote, Vote: TinCowQuote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
You and I equal:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
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(obviously you're Gretzky)
Well, it seems the town's momentary romance with insanity has passed and you have decided to do the 100% correct thing and lynch me. Good for you, be proud. As I am about to die, I'd like to take this moment to have a bit of a direct conversation. Beskar is correct, I am
Corrupted Cloud Strife
My faction is Phazon. We are one of the two mafia families, my master is Dark Samus. I do not know the name of the other mafia family, but they are led by Samus. My family's goal is to eliminate Samus' family and the GF. Samus' goal is to eliminate my family and the IDFH. As such, my family is allied with the IDFH and Samus' family is allied with the GF.
As I remain alive for several more hours, I am capable of communicating with anyone in private. I urge all IDFH Survivalists to PM me and reveal themselves to me. The Phazon WILL NOT kill IDFH players and we will do our best to aid you and protect you. If you have any desire to win with us, you need to contact me now and ID yourself. You only have until the end of this round to do this privately. After I am dead, I cannot PM so you will no longer be able to communicate to me secretly. In addition, the Phazon may decide to recruit a few of you in the future, whether you like it or not. If you would like the honor of joining our glorious mafia family, PMing me is a very good start.
For all players, IDFH and GF alike, it is time to decide where your loyalties lie. Are you going to play this game like a straight (and boring) mafia game, or are you going to embrace the divided town concept for its full entertainment value, and go for a mafia alliance? I will be coordinating IDFH town activities from here on out. I am already working with two of you on a method to ensure that I can give instructions secretly even while posting publicly. Those players will be able to organize things secretly even in my absence. Any of you who successfully convince me that you are IDFH and want a mafia-aligned victory will also be given individual codes for private communication. All players I communicate with will have their own individual codes, so that no one will be able to understand anyone else's instructions. For security, of course. IDFH players with vigilante skills are highly desirable, and will be given the opportunity to demonstrate their loyalty immediately. The rewards will be great entertainment, and surely a significant advantage over our un-organized GF counterparts (no offense, guys).
Oh, one final thing... someone who votes for me will die when I am lynched. It's a nice special defensive ability I have. If you need to survive to win, you might want to bail off this wagon right now. Don't say I didn't warn you. Good luck trying to dodge my random kill, Samus! :bow:
Let the games begin!
ALL IDFH SURVIVALISTS SHOULD CONTACT ME PRIVATELY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIS WILL GREATLY IMPROVE YOUR ODDS OF SURVIVAL AND FINAL VICTORY. PROOF OF LOYALTY WILL BE REQUIRED.
P.S. For those who think it's unfair that a player like me gets so much deference, consider the fairness in constantly being investigated on N1 in every game. :furious3:
Its so true, my friend.
I actually know who Gretzky is as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPcGF9iAtoE
In this one, replace "Slater" with you. I'm the kicker, Darren Lockyer. I set you up for your moment of greatness. :beam:
:smitten:
Don't edit post with vote in it, so:
Unvote: TinCowQuote:
Oh, one final thing... someone who votes for me will die when I am lynched. It's a nice special defensive ability I have.
peverreenk must continue.
By night killing me? :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:Quote:
will be given the opportunity to demonstrate their loyalty immediately.
I would like to remind people, that our primarily winning condition is: kill the anti-town
I could PM you Tincow, but I don't think you would spare me, IDFH or not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Unfortunately for you, the Survivalist victory condition is much different:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Defeat all anti-town forces and survive.
That last part is a stickler, isn't it? Shame there's so many Survivalists...
"Sigurd is the sith lord"Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
:furious3: