[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Greyblades]

Hmph I've been looking over the posts from the last few days and I have to say I'm a little confused.
My ability (which I cant say anything about even though I'm technically a ghost who's allowed to talk to the town, does that mean death gives you a speech inpediment specificaly about roles?) was stolen and tincow says he has one that might be the same one, because of my impediment I cant confirm this but even if he did, say, know enough to convince me he has the same role, that doesn't mean anything because someone nicked it last night and would know about the ability.

So, theres a role running around with my ability who may be a mafia who can steal abilities of victims or someone else that can steal abilities from dead people. Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities? Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.

Also Beskar claims to be working with someone with an investigator role, which I might or might not have had, so theres the possibility that he is being used by the guy who stole my power, if investigate was indeed was my ability, who might be a mafia who steals from his kills, an actual investigator, or samus.

[Secura]

Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities?

As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require judicious the new ability in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.

Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.

I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.

[pevergreen]

Unvote; Vote: Tincow

Vote: Nictel

Lets go tie, lets go!

[Greyblades]

As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require the new equipment you've acquired in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.

I think I got samus mixed up with kirby, still, this is a mafia adaptation so we can only guess at what she can do.

I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.
That was an attempt at selft depricating humor.

[Diamondeye]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but what the Dickens has that got to do with anything when he's faced with a scan result that says he's mafia? Because he's a good contributor, we should leave him alive regardless of scan results against him?

I'm voting for TinCow, Secura. I just meant to tell people you can do that even though he's usually a good town player.

I love the Gameroom, I really do, but this blind reverance of anything and everything that certain people say is just... frustrating as town or mafia; if it was Beskar revealed in such a manner as TinCow has been, people wouldn't be so hesistant to lynch him, would they?

This isn't a tirade against you DE, by the way. :/

The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.

The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal anyway.

Especially as it's just been the busiest holiday season of the year, I think the lurkers have to be given a little slack at this stage; it shouldn't and won't wash later in the game, though.

Basically, I agree with everything you said because it was exactly what I was trying to say as well. Sorry if my English failed me

Also, concerning Samus; I think he was among the killers last night, what with a "Hunter" who moved by rolling in his "ball-form". I know he can do this in Super Smash Bros, at least; does anyone else in this universe have that ability (apart from Dark Samus, who most likely was the "Dark Hunter")? Vigilantekilling on N1 is a gutsy move, and one I wouldn't think a lot of people consider smart.

[Jarema]

Unvote, vote: TinCow

[Death is yonder]

Bah, his response doesn't sound guilty, but I'll be more inclined to trust my head in the face of this logic.

The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.

The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal anyway.

Unvote:Nictel
Vote:Tincow

Since after all, Tincow's valued contributions can be made dead or alive. After thinking about it for a moment, one thing that stood out the most is that, should Tincow be dead and proven innocent, his analysis etc can be read with the extra credibility of someone who is definitely innocent, rather than being taken with a pinch of salt.

[Secura]

Basically, I agree with everything you said because it was exactly what I was trying to say as well. Sorry if my English failed me

I realised this after I'd made my post, that's my bad... but my points still remain, I'd like more people to think for themselves; master manipulators are only effective because the people they have in their thrall allow them to be.

Also, concerning Samus; I think he was among the killers last night, what with a "Hunter" who moved by rolling in his "ball-form". I know he can do this in Super Smash Bros, at least

Someone hasn't been reading their TVTropes! :P

Since after all, Tincow's valued contributions can be made dead or alive. After thinking about it for a moment, one thing that stood out the most is that, should Tincow be dead and proven innocent, his analysis etc can be read with the extra credibility of someone who is definitely innocent, rather than being taken with a pinch of salt.

Exactly.

[Yaropolk]

Unvote: Beskar Vote:Nictel

Beskar, if you want my vote on TC, the answer my question. What did the investigator say when you asked him why he randomly trusted you on N1?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?

Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"

"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel. Yes, he might be mafia, but he's got a nerve to lie low like this.

I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.

All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow. That's absolutely something I would do as mafia, because it would.... have an ice cube's chance in hades of working.

I get that I do crazy gambits sometimes, but honestly folks, use your freaking heads please.

Tincow IS probably Mafia. And Beskar knows exactly what I was doing this round, which was trying to extract information from Tincow via the following strategy:

1. I act nice toward Tincow, and try to "save" him
2. Beskar plays bad cop, and puts pressure on him
3. We get someone to reveal that they are mafia to Tincow, with an offer of alliance.

See how TC reacts to this. My bet was he'd react to either 1, 2, or 3, I don't care how awesome he is at these games. It's too tempting to flinch.

Well guess what? Plan failed, and you want to know why? Because people don't have any patience or give me any credit for having an intelligent thought once in a while.

I also don't appreciate having alternative ideas being called dumb. Having a one-track mind in a mafia game is dumb, and demonstrably so.

Thanks for listening.

unvote

Do what you want. I don't care right now.

[Reenk Roink]

Ooooooh



Wassup town

Stop wasting your time lynching 'lurkers' and 'non helpful posters' and ACT on the detective result claim, because it definitely gives a more concrete plan of action, depending on the truth and falsity of the claim. Beskar has said something about TinCow and an investigator. Indulge him for now, and lynch him if he's wrong or lying.

Killing 'lurkers' and 'non helpful posters' or players termed as such is an AWFUL idea, because most 'lurkers' and 'non helpful players' are bound to be townies, many of who will show up when the game becomes more interesting and important later on.

Just a thought...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: Beskar Vote:Nictel

Beskar, if you want my vote on TC, the answer my question. What did the investigator say when you asked him why he randomly trusted you on N1?

Don't bother, Yaropolk. You're not voting for Tincow, so you must be "dumb".

[pevergreen]

Telling people what to do.

Unvote, Vote: TinCow

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote, Vote: TinCow

You and I equal:



(obviously you're Gretzky)

[TinCow]

Well, it seems the town's momentary romance with insanity has passed and you have decided to do the 100% correct thing and lynch me. Good for you, be proud. As I am about to die, I'd like to take this moment to have a bit of a direct conversation. Beskar is correct, I am

Corrupted Cloud Strife

My faction is Phazon. We are one of the two mafia families, my master is Dark Samus. I do not know the name of the other mafia family, but they are led by Samus. My family's goal is to eliminate Samus' family and the GF. Samus' goal is to eliminate my family and the IDFH. As such, my family is allied with the IDFH and Samus' family is allied with the GF.

As I remain alive for several more hours, I am capable of communicating with anyone in private. I urge all IDFH Survivalists to PM me and reveal themselves to me. The Phazon WILL NOT kill IDFH players and we will do our best to aid you and protect you. If you have any desire to win with us, you need to contact me now and ID yourself. You only have until the end of this round to do this privately. After I am dead, I cannot PM so you will no longer be able to communicate to me secretly. In addition, the Phazon may decide to recruit a few of you in the future, whether you like it or not. If you would like the honor of joining our glorious mafia family, PMing me is a very good start.

For all players, IDFH and GF alike, it is time to decide where your loyalties lie. Are you going to play this game like a straight (and boring) mafia game, or are you going to embrace the divided town concept for its full entertainment value, and go for a mafia alliance? I will be coordinating IDFH town activities from here on out. I am already working with two of you on a method to ensure that I can give instructions secretly even while posting publicly. Those players will be able to organize things secretly even in my absence. Any of you who successfully convince me that you are IDFH and want a mafia-aligned victory will also be given individual codes for private communication. All players I communicate with will have their own individual codes, so that no one will be able to understand anyone else's instructions. For security, of course. IDFH players with vigilante skills are highly desirable, and will be given the opportunity to demonstrate their loyalty immediately. The rewards will be great entertainment, and surely a significant advantage over our un-organized GF counterparts (no offense, guys).

Oh, one final thing... someone who votes for me will die when I am lynched. It's a nice special defensive ability I have. If you need to survive to win, you might want to bail off this wagon right now. Don't say I didn't warn you. Good luck trying to dodge my random kill, Samus!

Let the games begin!

ALL IDFH SURVIVALISTS SHOULD CONTACT ME PRIVATELY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIS WILL GREATLY IMPROVE YOUR ODDS OF SURVIVAL AND FINAL VICTORY. PROOF OF LOYALTY WILL BE REQUIRED.

P.S. For those who think it's unfair that a player like me gets so much deference, consider the fairness in constantly being investigated on N1 in every game.

[pevergreen]

Its so true, my friend.

I actually know who Gretzky is as well.



In this one, replace "Slater" with you. I'm the kicker, Darren Lockyer. I set you up for your moment of greatness.

[pevergreen]

Don't edit post with vote in it, so:

Oh, one final thing... someone who votes for me will die when I am lynched. It's a nice special defensive ability I have.

Unvote: TinCow

peverreenk must continue.

[Beskar]

will be given the opportunity to demonstrate their loyalty immediately.

By night killing me?

I would like to remind people, that our primarily winning condition is: kill the anti-town

I could PM you Tincow, but I don't think you would spare me, IDFH or not.

Beskar is correct, I am

Corrupted Cloud Strife

My faction is Phazon.

[TinCow]

I would like to remind people, that our primarily winning condition is: kill the anti-town

Unfortunately for you, the Survivalist victory condition is much different:

Defeat all anti-town forces and survive.

That last part is a stickler, isn't it? Shame there's so many Survivalists...

[pevergreen]

Also, Beskar was right.

"Sigurd is the sith lord"

[Beskar]

That last part is a stickler, isn't it?

Survive is the secondary condition. It is made redundant by the "eliminate anti-town" which is the main victory condition, so they would get a lot lower victory working with you, then them being dead and you getting eliminated.

On the note, you would want Sasaki dead according to what you would say, also you just turned any GF people against you.

So no wins co-operating you, it would be far simpler killing you off than trying to find half a town full of GF people.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

P.S. For those who think it's unfair that a player like me gets so much deference, consider the fairness in constantly being investigated on N1 in every game.

A bit of a bogus statement. If you want to experience real first-rounding, be either me or AskthePizzaGuy.

Also, when it happens to me and ATPG, we are lynched straight away without question.

[Reenk Roink]

My man TinCow, if you know who killed me, tell them it was a bad choice. I would have gladly joined Mafia.

[DELETE_THIS]

I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.

All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow.

In about 5 minutes I have a huge bandwagon on my roof, of course I react. ATPG you double-triple cross so many times it's hard to keep track of what 'your tactic' is. But yes you should be scanned.

[TinCow]

My man TinCow, if you know who killed me, tell them it was a bad choice. I would have gladly joined Mafia.

My mafia family did not kill you. I would never stoop so low, you're too much good fun.

[pevergreen]

A bit of a bogus statement. If you want to experience real first-rounding, be either me or AskthePizzaGuy.

If you want to experience real first rounding, be Ultrawar.

From the original glossary:


UltraWar: Being killed and/or lynched in the first round repeatedly over various games

It was, what, every single game for a long, long period.

[Insanious]

Oh, one final thing... someone who votes for me will die when I am lynched.

Unvote: TinCrow
Vote Glenn

[Chaotix]

Excellent activity here, guys! 2 days in and we've got almost 20 pages!

I'm posting to say that the round will end in approximately 5 hours. I may not be around to end it exactly at that point, but no votes will be accepted after 5:00 PM EST. If there happens to be a tie, I will expect to know the outcome by the time I get to the write-up.

[classical_hero]

Insanious, that is a bluff by TinCow to try and survive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In about 5 minutes I have a huge bandwagon on my roof, of course I react. ATPG you double-triple cross so many times it's hard to keep track of what 'your tactic' is. But yes you should be scanned.

So should you. You don't normally react this way, especially if you're a boring old townie.

Exactly what treasure did I uncover? I am anxious to find out. Rest assured, I will find out.

[TinCow]

Insanious, that is a bluff by TinCow to try and survive.

Nope, it's an ability called Overdrive. The description is: "If killed or lynched, your killer or a player who voted for you will die, too." Obviously some of you will not believe this, but the WIFOM it causes by revealing it is amusing to me, particularly in a game with so many Survivalists.