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BTW, what about this Jawara unit concept (soory if it was a rough pic)..... I think the dual swordsmen animation from some certain mods can be used as reversed grip swordsmen like this... but if the model can't made in reverse grip, then we'll use normal grip :grin:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/pictu...ictureid=38416
I want to review the translation of cities:
a) vanilla village level : Kampung
b) vanilla town : Desa
c) vanilla large town : Pekan
d) vanilla minor city : Mukim
e) kota (vanilla large city) : Kota
f) vanilla huge city: Bandar
Level of church:
Gereja kampung (village church) < gereja pekan (town church) < gereja daerah (district church) < gereja kota (city church) < gereja negeri (state church)
Nusantara Online! its makadga(swordsmen)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
the concept is ahistorical to me
yupz, maybe they are playing RO too many times, so they made that just like an assassinQuote:
Originally Posted by plutoboyz
and Wolf, please update your unit description...
yep, they forgot bracer, armring, sandal and siger. their samping is not like that, it would limit your movement if you wrap it like that, and the necklace, its for noble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
btw, I waiting Tosa's reply on my PM.... we'll have our own forum soon, as discussing everything in 2 thread (in forge and in mod discussion), become less handy... and our dev forum in forumotion is for more private discussion
anyway, to stop Romaphiloi sonic from whinning about my works, here's the short descriptions about Javanese soldiers:
Javanese-Sundanese Peasants (sickles) = Tani
short:
Villager force, have no formal training in battle, but their sickles is heavy enough to puncture most armour rather easily, and pissed off peasant mob could be more far more dangerous than real fighting force, depends in the right circumstance or leadership!
Javanese Militia (tombak) = Kroco
short:
Kroco forces are commonly drawn fom peasants and urban poors, given cheap spears and mass produced bamboo shields each. For most of the part, they are only told to march and obey simple orders, as their skill with spears is doubtful, and their courage is only marginally better than untrained peasants.
Javanese Watchmen (archer-golok) = Jogo Karyo
short:
Well armed force of militia, equipped with simple bamboo flatbows, and have some martial training to fought in melee effectively with their golok and bamboo shields. These men are common sights in medieval Javanese army, usually serve as front line light infantry.
Java-Sunda Feudal Spearmen (javelin-overhead tombak) = Prajurit Tumbak
short:
These men are flexible line infantry, common rank and file warriors of both Javanese and Sundanese army. They are capable to fight with their tombak spears, and their javelins are handy to soften enemy ranks before the clash.
Javanese Feudal Swordsmen (parang) = Prajurit Pamedhang
short:
Swordsmen are the primary close combat line infantry of the Javanese army. Armed with quality parang longswords, they are capable mount a furious infantry charge to break the enemy line.
Java-Sunda Feudal Archers (archer-golok) = Prajurit Panah
short:
Equipped with good quality helmets, quilted leather armour, and trained in archery. These soldiers are best used as archers, but could fight in melee if necessary, thanks to their heavy equipments.
Bintara Pikemen (pike-keris) = Tentoro Tumbak Dowo
short:
Bintara pikemen mostly comes from the ranks of militia, but they are well trained by muslim Chinese advisors. They won't be easy to break, even when largely outnumbered, as long as their bristling walls of pike could take care most of them.
Majapahit Axemen (2handed kapak) = Prajurit Kampak Blambangan
short:
Vicious shock infantry of the Ancient Majapahit army, armed with two handed axe, and paint their body with pattern made of blood. They are expected to charge and break the enemy line with their sheer strength and vicious intimidation.
Melayu-Palemb-Bintr Arab Swordsmen (scimitars) = Laskar Arab
short:
Arabic troops are no foreigner in the army of the Islamic kingdoms. They are drawn from substantial Arab population, well armoured and equipped in middle eastern style. They are largely disciplined and professional fighting force, as they fought for both common religious cause as well as generous payment.
Javanese "Saka" Heavy Spearmen (overhead tombakkeris) = Pagerwesi
short:
Well armoured heavy infantry, wearing partial plate armour, carying large round shield covered with steel, and armed with exceptional keris-headed tombak spears. These soldiers are best used to fought in very dense formation, capable to grind enemy troops in almost unbreakable wall of steel shields.
Majapahit Armoured Macemen (gada) = Prajurit Godhowesi
short:
Specialist heavy infantry, clad in heavy scale armour, carry large steel covered shield, and armed with godho mace to smash their enemies. These men are de facto cataphracts on foot, and equally capable to break enemy line with a forious charge, or grind enemy troops in very dense formations.
Javanese Knights / Pendekar (2handed keris swords) = Pandhekar
short:
Expert in the field of martial arts, perfected in lifetime training. Pandhekar is easily counted as the best and the most inspiring warriors, as they are often chivalrous warriors, ready to give their life for a good cause. Of course, their large two handed swords are another good reason to respect them.
Bintara Sultan's Chinese Guards (crossbow-scimitar) = Punggawa Cino
short:
These elite soldiers are drawn solely from the ranks of muslim Chinese. Their deeply shared religious passion, coupled with the fact that they are outsider and can't hope to wield the power by themself, made them a respectful, multi purpose elites with their skills in chinese crossbows and scimitars.
Javanese Noble Knights / Satria (keris panjang) = Satriyo
short:
The nobility, who devoted themself in lifetime training of martial arts, are among the most important leading parts of the Javanese army. These men command respect and admiration from their underlings, and given the fact that they are nobles, they also had acess to expensive armoury as well.
Majapahit Royal Shadowguards (overhead tombakkeris) = Bhayangkara
short:
The true elite of Keraton Majapahit, practically fearless, and their martial skills made them command fears in their enemies' hearts. Bhayangkara fought as elite force of guards, capable to grind enemy troops in very dense formations, or spread out and kill multitude of enemies in individual fights.
Javanese Raider-Scouts (cavarchers-cavshortswords) = Telik Sandi
short:
Drawn from the horse owners, Telik Sandi are primarily employed for scout and harassment duties. In the battlefield, it was them who first checked the enemy position, harass and pick off important enemy units and officers with their bows, kill separated and weakned enemy troops, and chase off routers.
Javanese-Sriwj Feudal Cavalry (cavarchers-cavlswords) = Prajurit Tumpak Jaran
short:
Traditionally better segment of Javanese file soldiers, reasonably well armoured, and capable in both role as horse archers and heavy close combat cavalry. These men are important offensive parts of Majapahit-Sriwijayan army.
Javanese Noble Cataphract (cavarchers-cavlswords) = Turanggawesi
short:
Wearing heavy scale armour, frightening war masks, and riding half armoured horses, Turanggawesi are nobles, they fought as cataphract archers, expected to soften enemy ranks with their arrows, and closing in and hack through the enemy line afterwards. They are expected to deal the deciding blows in the battle.
Javanese Cataphract Lancers (lancers-cavlswords) = Satriyo Turanggawesi
short:
Close combat cataphracts, clad in beautiful, yet exceptionally sturdy armour, befitting the heirs of ancient Indo-Saka cataphracts. These men wear frightening war masks to intimmidate enemy troops, and could be expected to break most enemy battle line rather easily, deciding the fate of most battles.
Javanese Elite Cataphracts (cavarchers-lancers) = Satriyo Priyayi
short:
The royal troops of Javanese kingdoms, clad in beautiful, yet exceptionally sturdy armour, with frightening war masks. Carrying bows to kill the enemies from afar, and keris headed lance, to break enemy line into submission, as well as fight in melee. As cataphract, they are expected to deal the deciding blows.
Javanese Chariots (chariot-archers) = Kreto Tempur
short:
Chariots may be an outdated war machine, but blade covered chariots, coupled with archers to pick the enemies from afar, is still the best choice to cut and break enemy cavalry forces, as well as softening enemy line before the chariot charges afterwards.
Native Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Prajurit Gajah
short:
Abundance of elephants that was used in daily economic activities, means that they could be drafted into military usage too. These men and beasts are actually not a real soldiers, as the elephants are more comfortable to pulling logs and tear down woods, rather than trampling humans and ramming gates.
Javanese Armoured War Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Gajah Wesi
short:
Real war elephants are rarity in Javanese land, but when it was really required, will come with the best things available to protect the elephants, because properly trained war elephants are both time consuming to train and exspensive. A heavy armour, made of steel scales, seems worth to protect the beast!
Good, but don't they use HUMAN blood for made sacred war paints on Pasukan Kampak Blambangan?
I think nobody can spot the difference between human blood and chicken blood, when it comes to mere war-paints :clown:
BTW, but another refrences (negara kertagama), that exist earlier said that they use blood (not human blood specifically), yes?
Hello, this is Pazu the Kitsune from the twcenter, organizer of the 'Siam: Total War' mod (our thread is here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=331660)
Our mod spans from 1530-1700, and includes these regions :)
I think that cooperation between our mods would be rly cool. You clearly seem to know more about this area than i do, but if you ever decide to include Ayutthaya Siam as a faction then wed certainly be willing to help out :)
Right now we still need researchers, so if you have an account at the twcenter then feel free to post some info in our thread and i can make you official researchers for the mod.
Best of luck with this,
Pazu
:D
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Originally Posted by Mee4703
I think I should wait for Sonic's response first then... he's the historical head men of this mod, as well as the co-leader...
he just said on the phone that our plan was BI mod, and your was M2TW, and the focus of the conflicts was very2 different...
EDIT:
And I may try to include Greater South East Asia next time, but we want to focus in the most important conflicts first (the Western Indonesian and Malaysian are the stepstone and place of fate deciding battles of every empire, as well as most European Colony grows at South East Asia)
Good Luck with you too...
NB: I Put some advice to differentiate our mod then, since you actually not yet made any in game progress... maybe you should focus on indochina area... :wink:
well, what about pajajaran / malaka unit descriptions then...? Sonic, your turns...
Sorry to refuse your offer, apparently, I'm busy now for the research, and our mod focus in entirely different sets of conflicts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mee4703
Maybe CW can help you a bit in giving some advices if he willing to, but as far as I can tell, your mod is still lack several things, as well as progress... maybe we'll ask you instead to join us when we plan to relase the version with larger map, so I can made you official researcher on Indochina factions.
Sure thing :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
uhh, yeah
You'll be an Indochina Faction Researcher,
I'll plan the French Landing according to the book I bought
hey skull, can you made it like EB Nomad style? I think it would be awesome. if needed I can send you the unedited file.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullheadhq
here, short description for Pajajaran:
Javanese-Sundanese Peasants (sickles) = Tani
Villager force, have no formal training in battle, but their sickles is heavy enough to puncture most armor rather easily, and pissed off peasant mob could be more far more dangerous than real fighting force, depends in the right circumstance or leadership!
Sundanese Watchmen (golok) = Wado
Originally Wado/Wadwa, are soldier who act as watchmen. they are numerous. using Golok as primary weapon, Wado are swift, light, cheap infantry.
Java-Sunda Feudal Spearmen (javelin-overhead tombak) = Prajurit Tumbak
These men are flexible line infantry, common rank and file warriors of both Javanese and Sundanese army. They are capable to fight with their tombak spears, and their javelins are handy to soften enemy ranks before the clash.
Java-Sunda Feudal Archers (archer-golok) = Prajurit Panah
Equipped with good quality helmets, quilted leather armor, and trained in archery. These soldiers are best used as archers, but could fight in melee if necessary, thanks to their heavy equipments.
Sundanese Feudal Swordsmen (parang) = Pamarang
Behold! this is Pamarang, Using a curved sword that can be used as a superb slashing weapon and also can disarm enemy weapon with it. this is a fine soldier, trained well, fierce in battlefield.
Sundanese Jawara (double golok) = Jawara
Jawara are champion. they are best of the best in their region. they fight as mercenary. they trained with martial art. they also have knowledge of Kanuragan. literally; inner power.
Sundanese Elite Watchmen (javelin-tombak) = Bayangkara
Bayangkara, unlike Majapahit's Bhayangkara. Bayangkara are weaker. they act as law enforcer and regional guard as well. they use Tumbak, a spear that can be thrown when necessary.
Sundanese Royal Spearmen (tombakkujang) = Balamati
Balamati. Royal army of Pajajaran. Balamati is backbone of Pajajaran infantry. They are Maharaja favorite army. they fight only for Pajajaran and will die for it. Balamati are fine soldier, with extreme quality of morale. Balamati never fled, they fight to death.
Sundanese Royal Bladesmen (javelin-kujang) = Balamati Kujang
Balamati are threat to enemy, this Balamati are nightmare. unlike traditional Balamati, this Balamati wield a special sacred weapon named Kujang Jago. its a small curved blade, but it could kill you with a small scratch.
Sundanese Warrior-Priest Swordsmen (parang) = Kasatrya Pamarang Purgabaya
Puragabaya, as a true elite of Pajajaran. Puragabaya is not only great warrior, but also a wise priest. trained in religion as well as military knowledge. this Puragabaya wield a sword. it can be used as a superb slashing weapon and also can disarm enemy weapon with it
Sundanese Warrior-Priest Bladesmen (javelin-kujang) = Kasatrya Kujang Purgabaya
This Puragabaya are special. they go to battle field with their Kujang. Kujang is a small curved blade, but it could kill you with a small scratch. this is most deadly close combat weapon in Pajajaran.
Sundanese Elite Warrior-Priest (2handed tombakkujang) = Kasatrya Purgabaya
Puragabaya, as a true elite of Pajajaran. Puragabaya is not only great warrior, but also a wise priest. trained in religion as well as military knowledge. this Puragabaya armed with Kujang Pangarak, a Kujang used as pole arm weapon. it has better reach than standard kujang.
factional cavalry:
Sundanese Light Cavalry (cavjav-lancers) = Prajurit Tumpak Kuda
This Lancer are swift cavalry using Tumbak to harass enemy before charge enemy. they are light armored cavalry that best used in Hit and Run tactic.
Sundanese Royal Horsemen (cavparang) = Balamati Tumpak Kuda
besides as heavy infantry, they also trained in horsemanship as well. although Sunda not focused on cavalry combat, this cavalry still good. they are fine close combat cavalry, because they not using spear, but Sunda Sword.
Sundanese Warrior-Priest Cav (cavjav-kujanglancers) = Kasatrya Kuda Purgabaya
Puragabaya Cavalry are the best horseman in Sunda. they can harass enemy with their javelin, they also have furious charge, and great close combat skill. they use Kujang Pangarak as their weapon of choice. it could kill you even with a small scratch.
Sundanese Chariot (chariot-archers) = Kereta Kuda
Kareta Kuda, are a chariot archer. but what makes them different is they have a spearman for close combat. a good mobile archer and fine close combat cavalry.
Native Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Prajurit Gajah
Abundance of elephants that was used in daily economic activities, means that they could be drafted into military usage too. These men and beasts are actually not a real soldiers, as the elephants are more comfortable to pulling logs and tear down woods, rather than trampling humans and ramming gates.
Sundanese War Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Pasukan Gajah Siliwangi
Our great Sri Baduga Maharaja Siliwangi have reformed our kingdom. he create an elephant corps. used mainly for break enemy formation. its Javelin are fine armor piercing weapon. its protect the beast from light infantry.
No longer busy... able to help
~Jirisys (200&:daisy: post:clown:)
Kulaan niring napa takuhiring!!!
Portuguese Military Academy:
Well, 1st Portuguese Military Academy was established in 1641; anyway here the historical name of the academy:
a) Aula de Artilharia e Esquadria (1641) : [lecture of artillery and miter]
b) Aula de Fortificação e Arquitectura Militar (1647) : [Class of Fortification and Military Architecture]
c) Academia Militar da Corte (1700) : [The Royal Military Academy]
d) Academia Real de Fortificação, Artilharia e Desenho (1790) : [Royal Academy of Fortification, Artillery and Design]
e) Escola do Exército (1837) : [Army School]
f) Escola de Guerra (1911-1919) : [War College]
g) Escola Militar (1919-1938) : {Military school]
h) Academia Militar (1959) : [Military Academy]
Proceed to translate civilian building, 1 st start with market:
a) Gerai (trader/stall)
b) Pesara (street of the merchant)
c) Pasar (Market)
d) Gedung dan gudang (Supermarket and warehouse)
e) Kampung Saudagar (merchant quarter)
I've made the lastest updates of unit lists, as well as "Inlander" native levies for europeans... this was not too neat, but you can take a look... (dang, the ORG attachment have some problem uploading, so I'll use this)
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/attac...8&d=1274075768
Inlander = Orang Hulu / orang darat (as opposite of orang laut)
If they are native people (aborigines) , we can called them Orang Asli.
Inlander Archers (archer-golok) = Pemanah Hulu / Pemanah Orang Hulu
Inlander Horsemen = Penunggang Kuda Orang Hulu
Melayu Regular Gunners (gun-golok) = Pegawai Istinggar
Melayu Turkish Gunners (gun-scimitars) = Laskar Ispinggar (not istinggar)
Melayu Sultan's Royal Gunners (gun-scimitars) = Awinan Astenggar
Melayu-Sriwj Recr Cav Bodyguards (lancers-cavmaces) = Ceteria
no, "Inlander" meant as "native" people as a whole... (that's the nickname Portuguese and Dutch gives to Indonesians in colonial time)... not "inland people".. and they are recruitable anywhere for the Europeans
Oh I see. So inlander mean Orang Tempatan / Peribumi (or bumiputera what we called in Malaysia)
that's why I put "serdadu" in their names, because they are supposed to be "european only" units...
but their models will share with native units of similar equipments... and what did you think about Sonic's balance system? it was loosely based on EB balance system, albeit with some modification.
hmm, the Dutch called native archer as Pemanah Lokal? not Serdadu Pemanah? and which one balancing system that made by Sonic? the recent one (that one you post today) or the previous one?
Inlander Horsemen = Serdadu berkuda (OK or not?)
the recent one of course...
umm.. wolf, Jawara should be weaker than BalamatiQuote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
it was "relatively weak" indeed, if you look at the stats, and test it in playtest via custom battle (with 2 comp by LAN - I'm doing this in my laboratory for killing time, and using vanilla models as basis - Jawara was tested by Arcanii model on LOTR 2 handed swords animation), you can imagine that Jawara stats are optimized for frontal assault combat, while Balamati was better in formation, and thus "defensively"
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BTW, many thanks for Jolt, now we have proper Portuguese name for the units:
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Originally Posted by Jolt
so far, the European unit lists and naming... I'll ask Skull to patch the "leaked" units
Bodyguards:
Dutch Knight Bodyguards (lancers-cavlswords) = Lijfwatchen
Portugese Knight Bodyguards (lancers-cavlswords) = Cavaleiros-Fidalgos Portugueses
Infantry:
Port Colonial Pikemen / horde (pike-shortswords) = Piqueiros Portugueses
Port Colonial Crossbow / horde (crossbow-shortswords) = Besteiros Portugueses
Port Colonial Swords / horde (longswords) = Escudados Portugueses
Portuguese Swordsmen Militia (longswords) = Peoes Portugueses
Portuguese Pikemen (pike-shortswords) = Tercos Portugueses
Portuguese Crossbowmen (crossbow-shortswords) = Cacadores Portugueses
Portuguese Arquebusiers (gun-longwords) = Arcabuziros Portugueses
Portuguese Musketters (gun-longswords) = Musqueteiros Portugueses
Portuguese Halberdiers (2handed spear-axes) = Alabardeiros Portugueses
Portuguese Noble Pikemen (pike-shortswords) = Suicos Portugueses
Portuguese Elite Swordsmen (longswords) = Escudeiros-Fidalgos Portugueses
Dutch Colonial Pikemen / horde (pike-shortswords) = Koloniale Piekeniers
Dutch Colonial Crsbow / horde (crossbow-shortswords) = Koloniale Kruisboogschutters
Dutch Colonial Swords / horde (longsords) = Koloniale Zwaardvechters
Dutch Swordsmen Militia (longswords) = Voetvolk
Dutch Pikemen (pike-shortswords) = Piekeniers
Dutch Crossbowmen (crossbow-shortswords) = Kruisboogschutters
Dutch Arquebusiers (gun-longswords) dutch hat! = Arkebussiers
Dutch Indo Heavy Infantry (2handed spears) = Inlandse Speerdragers
Dutch Musketters (gun-longswords) dutch hat! = Musketiers
Dutch Halberdiers (2handed spear-axes) = Hellebaardiers
Dutch Elite Swordsmen (longswords) = Zwaardvechters
Cavalry:
Portuguese Jinetes (cavjav-cavlswords) = Dragoes Portugueses
Portuguese Heavy Cavalry (lancers-cavlswords) = Cavaleiros-Vilaos Portugueses
Portuguese Cuirassiers (cavlswords) = Couraceiros Portugueses
Portuguese Heavy Lancers (lancers-cavlswords) = Lanceiros Portugueses
Dutch Light Cavalry (cavlswords) dutch hat! / Comb Morion Hat??? = Ghemeyn Ruytren
Dutch Heavy Cavalry (lancers-cavlswords) = Lanciers
Dutch Cuirassiers (cavlswords) = Kurassiers
Dutch Heavy Lancers (lancers-cavlswords) = Lansiers
This is what Heavy European Cav from this timefram should look like
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Dutch Light Cavalry (cavlswords) dutch hat! (should be that funny spanish conquistadorhelmet -skull) = Ghemeyn Ruytren (Karabiniers)
Dutch Heavy Cavalry (lancers-cavlswords) = Lanciers
Dutch Indo Heavy Infantry (2handed spears) = Inlandse Speerdragers
First two are in 16th century spelling.
Dutch Colonial Swords / horde (longsords) should be Koloniale Zwaardvechters
Dutch Arquebusiers (gun-longswords) dutch hat! = Arkebussiers
All dutch cavalry should only have a handgun, except for the lanciers. We just didn't use swords on our horses, why use swords when you have guns?