Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

i have been flipping from different attitudes because this past week has been a really difficult week for me and my attitude in RL has been transferring into my in game persona. today i am deciding on whether it will be healthy for me to keep playing this game. i really wanted to reform my in game persona, i wanted to lay low and be lulzy and then come out with some grand post that exposes the mafia after days of analyzing posts. however, this past week has instead turned me into an angry jerk lashing out at people, which i then tried to cover up.

i kindly ask ATPG to have a replacement ready for me, im sorry for the inconvenience.

:( :(

Various comments in reply to Earthling, who I am seriously doubting the credibility of.

1. BK doesn't appear that suspicious to me... and ignoring Seon is the best way forward no matter how sensible he sounds.
2. You want others to come forward, but still hasn't revealed ANYTHING about you. Your faction, your actions, your items, nope, zilch, nothing. It also seems to be that you are planning to threaten people simply because they wish to stay safe?
3. Again, if your plan is so amazing, SHARE it. As said before, faction scanning is not accurate so whoever you are talking to in private could be completely bogus. Bring your plan into the public eye or stop trying to persuade others into an unknown plan.
4. I am actually a member of an 'endangered' faction, I would love to co-operate, but frankly you have given me very little to work with here.

Also:

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Originally Posted by B_Ray

Interesting suggestions. So you think it would be in the best interest of the town for all those of us performing faction scans to reveal our results? I'm pretty undecided on the matter. I certainly don't think it's advisable for anyone to reveal their roles at this point, especially those belonging to factions who are nearly wiped out. As I've said before, it seems to me that the best thing for townie players to do right now is look out for their own faction. We've got no way to tell who the chaotics are. They have cover roles. So even if someone does faction scan them, they're going to get misleading results. Even if you could faction scan every single player in this game right now, you'd be no closer to figuring out who's the scum.

So I don't see the logic in revealing information about ourselves this early in the game. The theme of this game is that we're all evil characters anyway; some of us are just less trustworthy than others. So I say stick to your factions if you want to win.

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Says the person who knowingly condemned a fellow townie to death. Keeping scans secret may be beneficial right now, but I think it is better to trust those in the thread than those in your faction - scans are useless in scum-finding after all. I'm all for role-playing, but this is not a role-playing heavy game, so we have to stop pretending to be selfish baddies and act for the interest of the great whole.

For my vote, I think I will unbet my money on Subotan, as his answer does conform to my hazy memory of what he was like, I think. Fold. Not entirely sure who to vote for though, Civplaya and ACIN are now the frontrunners but both are suspected for really tenuous reasons. Think I need some time to read through the thread again :embarassed:

As for items, I won't be voting for any more items for those who got items yesterday:
Vote: GAG for the fluffyone
Vote: Hammer Brother's RED SHELL for Beefy
Vote: Custom Desert Eagle to Robbiecon
Vote: Porcupine Quills to Visorslash
Vote: Rope to Choxorn
Vote: Wolfen Fighter to Ironside
Vote: Fireball to SkoomaAddict
That I think spreads out the items quite evenly... Though I would caution people from voting that scanning item to DiY - does he really need 10% retaliatory and a faction scanning item? A tiny paranoid voice within me thinks that he is trying to portray a reasonable image of himself so that no-one is going to notice that he will gain another item today :inquisitive:

I checked Subotan's posts and for the most part they're the opposite of scummy. He wagered and lost 20 credits on day two against YLC. He has 30 placed now against Earthling, though the possibility yet exists that he will fold. I mean, maybe he's stealing credits to fund this apparent extravagance, but on its face it's not so much suspicious as just pointless (would be less pointless if he'd follow up every once in a while). The connection to ArpeggiateTHIS is not plausible as meaning anything, since Arpeggiate was a serial killer, not anti-mafia.

The one possible exception is the 4 credit wager against Captain Blackadder on day one after folding from his 10-credit facedown of Arpeggiate. It's the only time he's voted less than the full amount possible, and it happens to coincide with the day that Seon was almost lynched. (And it was not on Seon.) I'll check the timing on that, as well as other votes in Seon's favor.

Been gone 1 day, so many posts! :goofy:

What page is the lastest write up on?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

It's not just a kitten. It's the cutest kitten ever, and if you stare at it long enough, you lose your soul.

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I no see teh kitteh.....
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums...g?t=1304020899

OK, Seon's near-lynch is interesting.

First, Subo's 4 credits on CB make no sense as trying to spare Seon under the circumstances at the time (he had had 10 on Arpeg just previously).

Second, I think it could be argued that up until a point I'm right about to show you, Seon was in no true danger, because his own 10 credits placed on any of a number of players could have spared him. So the interesting votes to me are those which bring Seon from a situation he can't recover from by himself (or barely could), to a situation he can.

Right after my vote on Captain Blackadder it stands like this (previous to my vote Seon was up by 4):
9 CB, 8 Seon, 6 Subo, 5 EB, 3 RS (EB is El Barto, RS is Red Spy)

Seon promptly makes a move, removing his wager on El Barto and placing 10 on Kagemusha. Kage responds with OMGUS (reason for his death that night? I think Kage's killer is in my not-sure-who-this-is category), and Seon backs off and places 10 on Byzantine Knight (reason for *his* death that night, surely). It's now

18 Seon, 10 BK, 9 CB, 6 Subo, 3 EB, 3 RS

So here we are. With 18 votes on him and 10 on the nearest competitor, Seon is very close to not being able to save himself. This is the point at which I think it becomes quite likely that teammates would have been wanting to step in to change the situation if they could justify it.

Byzantine Knight (innocent) puts ten on EArthling. Backwards Logic (innocent) adds 1 more. It's now

18 Seon, 11 Earthling, 10 BK (Seon's votes, won't help the mafia much to add more here), 9 CB

Next vote: bet 3 on Earthling from Fluffy (a typical picture with no game-related info vote)

Seon's now only 4 votes in the lead. He can save himself easily as long as Earthling stays nice and close like this.

Link and mythmonster each add one more to Earthling. Plausible as trying to help out Seon just that little bit more, but not as striking as Fluffy's vote.

Somewhere in here MRD puts 1 on BK.

18 Seon, 16 Earthling, 11 BK (mostly Seon's votes, won't help the mafia much to add more here), 9 CB

Seon's sitting pretty at least in terms of surviving the day; his ten votes alone can save him. But then what happens? Disaster! Byzantine Knight removes his 10 credit wager on Earthling. Earthling's at only 6 votes. Only CB remains as a jumping off point for Seon to act by himself, and it's only by a single solitary vote, at that. Can he get some insurance?

Jolt bets one on CB, unabstaining to do so

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Originally Posted by Jolt

Oh.

Unabstain; Bet: 1 Capt Blackadder

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(And by the way, the "oh" is related to another question.)

However, that vote was sadly prompted by CB himself voting Jolt just before (and Jolt first abstained before MRD helpfully pointed out he'd lose 1 credit either way), so never mind.

That's the status until Seon and then MRD pop in with back-to-back ten credit bets on Captain Blackadder to end the day.

And although MRD was up until that last-minute change voting for Byzantine Knight along with Seon (a vote that doesn't help Seon substantially); and although it would have to have been some comical communications fail in the scum camp for them both to make end of day bets like that; due to a couple other posts by MRD I'm not entirely sure that's not exactly what happened:

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Jolt, Abstaining still causes you to lose 1 credit, so vote 1 for the CPT.


Byzantine Knight has implicitly stated he is pro-chaotic, and he is picking on a new member which is just bad tact:

Bet 1, ByzantineKnight

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Helping Jolt to add one to the CB count without actually getting his hands dirty.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Of course, this quote is also unsettling, as BK and Kagemusha gang up on Seon and Renata, implying that Kage makes his vote based on assumption that someone is a townie (mafia)

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Kage's vote was obviously tongue-in-cheek, and BK never voted Seon at all to my recollection (only me), so the linkage of me and Seon as dual recipients of a bad, evil conspiracy here rings just a tad bit hollow given Seon's alignment.

Finally,

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am

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(and corrects the format, probably unnecessarily, in the next post)

More in a minute, distracted.

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Originally Posted by shlin28

As for items, I won't be voting for any more items for those who got items yesterday:

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How about giving me the Porcupine Quills or the Wolfen Fighter? :')
*Cute kitteh*

Renata: Unless it was a mistake by the host, I the theft cost me zero credits. The whole reason I pointed out that civPlayah had not been replaced is precisely what you pointed out. One can have a lack of posts but still be active.

I am less convinced by ACIN. My front runners remain Civ and B-Ray. On the face of things, I do not think what B-Ray did was too terribly bad since each faction has secondary interests, but if we are grasping at hairs then that will be enough.

Oh, the cost was zero? I thought you had implied the opposite sometime yesterday? Didn't you say you lost a bunch of credits and it was a waste?

I'm no longer convinced of ACIN anymore, either, even if Believer is online telling me I'm a weenie over it. If he's scum, it would be blatant emotional manipulation about his real life, and I don't want to believe it is.

I'm more interested in you and fluffy currently, fluffy more so than you since your talkativeness is comparatively disarming. Plus, you might be right about civplayah and I want to see that play out.

My 3 credit bet on Earthling has aroused suspicion?
Really?
I only voted 3 cuz that was the middle number.
Not too cheap, and not maxxed out.
I consider those kinds of bets to be scummier than mine, actually.
Even if it is just a way to save credits!

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

I no see teh kitteh.....
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums...g?t=1304020899

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I see memegenerator.net is back up ^_^

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

My 3 credit bet on Earthling has aroused suspicion?
Really?
I only voted 3 cuz that was the middle number.
Not too cheap, and not maxxed out.
I consider those kinds of bets to be scummier than mine, actually.
Even if it is just a way to save credits!

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So are you saying you're more suspicious of Link or Mythmonster?

I don't understand how civplayah could have 0 credit to steal on Night 2.

Again:

1) Day 1 : civplayah starts with 100 credits.
2) He didn't vote on Day 1, thus lost 1. 99 credits left.
3) Night 1 : Let's say that's he's been stolen everything he has. 0 credit left.
4) Income happens at the end of Night 1 (+10). 10 credits left.
5) Day 2 : He didn't vote (-1). 9 credits left.

How is it possible that he has zero? This analysis is the worse case scenario, credit-wise, but there's still 9 credits in his pocket. He cannot have less than 9.

Also, ATPG confirmed that credit income happen after night actions, so the income cannot be stolen on the night you get it. Everyone will start a day with a minimum of 10 credits.

All this makes it hard for me to believe MRD's story that civplayah had no credit to steal. And it can't be a failed attempt, or the attempt would have cost MRD some credits.

Does anyone have an explanation for this?

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Originally Posted by Renata

So are you saying you're more suspicious of Link or Mythmonster?

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I just don't think it's a good idea to go all in, is all.
True, it was only 5 credits, but still, to go all in means you really want them dead.

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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

I see memegenerator.net is back up ^_^

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And yes, yes it is!
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums...g?t=1304023490

That's not my point. :(

Slight correction, Romanic: can only steal in increments of 4 credits, and anythign less than 4 would presumably not be accessable to theft.

Wait....how many credits did Link and Myth bet?

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Originally Posted by Renata

Oh, the cost was zero? I thought you had implied the opposite sometime yesterday? Didn't you say you lost a bunch of credits and it was a waste?

I'm no longer convinced of ACIN anymore, either, even if Believer is online telling me I'm a weenie over it. If he's scum, it would be blatant emotional manipulation about his real life, and I don't want to believe it is.

I'm more interested in you and fluffy currently, fluffy more so than you since your talkativeness is comparatively disarming. Plus, you might be right about civplayah and I want to see that play out.

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No, silly monkey, I said: I wasted a purchased action, and my crappy free action got me a whole lot of nothing.

The reason I bothered to point that out is because I, as a character, am at a disadvantage because I do not have an item I can actively use and I did not start with any skills. If one wants to use steal credits, one has to use it as the purchased action, because there is no free version of steal credits. So, hypothetically, if one wanted to both steal credits and defend other on the same night, the only option would be to purchase the steal and and use the low-probability free defend, not the other way around. If someone would vote me a doggone item I can actively use in my 2nd slot, then I may actually be able to do 2 things in one turn that have a decent chance of succeeding.

I've been doing a little sleuthing of my own on MRD, since reading Renata's post above. Now, while I'll admit it's horribly clumsy for two mafiats to come in and save another's skin so close to each other, and right at the end of the day, I'll agree that's what seems to have happened. Now to the analysis (it may be slightly out of order from how I wanted to say things, but you'll get the gist)

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

A lot of deaths night on 1, so either people got extremely lucky and found their hidden talents or they dropped a lot of cash on purchased vig actions.

I figured people would just start voting things to themselves. We need to start making drug deals and trading bets and item votes to get items, so if any other townies want to negotiate, I am game. PM me for negotiations.

I am curious what happens in the event of item vote ties.

I am also curious why SEON was 2 characters.

I am also curious about the cards, as so far there is no distinct pattern between dead people of the same faction.

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Focuses on the deaths, trying to perhaps suggest that's it's trigger happy townies. Then goes on to look for people to make deals with over items, perhaps trying to gain information into what they might be, see perhaps if they're worth picking off? Asking why Seon was 2 characters, it seems to suggest that he genuinely doesn't know the reason, perhaps trying to just disassociate himself with the Chaotic faction, and a general sense of innocence portrayed "Why does he have two names, Mommy?" Asks about the cards, fair enough, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

And what about the people who have barely posted, or in some cases, haven't posted at all? Why not vote for them? So far, all of my Day 1 suspicions were unfounded, and ther person I suspected of being innocent was, in fact, chaotic. I would say not/barely posting is far more suspicious than posting silly spam.


I would like to thank the host for doing mid-day and almost end-day tallies. Keeping track of lynch voting is bad enough, now with items to track as well my head will explode.

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Looking to simply gain votes on inactive players. Good tactic for simply getting rid of townies, as people are usually easily susceptible to "Well, we haven't a clue who to lynch, so let's just lynch the mute". Also, mid-day and end-day tallies are good ways of scum being able to see what they can do tactically over the day to either have an innocent lynched, or save themselves, if they are in trouble.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Golly, I feel so left out of the item frenzy.

So, hypothetically, what if a person wins an item vote and gets lynched the same turn? Does the item go back into the pool?

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Despite calling out for people to talk with over the possibility of getting items, it appears no-one has approached him, and not too many people are voting for him for items. Perhaps he's trying to get people to approach him again subtlely. Also, perhaps he's worried about he himself getting lynched when people finally vote an item to him, although being lynched and being voted an item the same day is a rare occurrence, unless the item is described "Self-destructing bomb".

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

HAHAHAHA. Nice lynch, terd heads.

And the best part is B-Ray even stated that YLCs identity was not necessarily chaotic, but one which would serve B-Rays purpose, which anyone could logically assume means that either B-Rays new role is evil with a conflicting faction to YLC or B is straight CHAOTIC. Either of those scenarios could make B-Rays statement true. What a waste of credits.

We now see that there are 5 mafia factions. We also know that factions have nuetral (and possibly chaotic, based on the game rules) players.

Since no one had a big win on lynch bets I am hoping that this means there will be fewer purchased vigilante acts. I'm sure at least one or two Chatoic have free kill abilities, but those of us who successfully defended last time are probably in the clear, as are all the winners of the shiny new items. Nonetheless, I am still expecting a very busy night in terms murders.

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Mocking of the lynch, usually used as a "I'm town, well done you lynched a townie, you fools" type of tactic. Normally used by scum. Townies go "Well, that isn't what we wanted" or "Oops, we did it again". Seems to know a bit too much about Chaotic abilities, although it's fair enough to assume that the scum team get their "Money For Nothing, and their kills for free". Perhaps he is also suggesting that those who defended successfully on the first night shouldn't worry about using a defense the second night. And the same goes for the item holders. Seems like a reverse psychology way of getting people to abstain from saving themselves, thus opening up easier targets.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

By duping people into spending money to defend themselves after the first nights murder frenzy, the Chaotics will eventually be able to out bet anyone on lynches in conjunction with the silence ability. Earthling's willingness to so easily incriminate me in a far-fetched hypothesis shows far more ill intent than anything I have done to date. A defensive area attack in response to an action? Please. Also note that he did not say what action, because if he said he tried to kill me and then Renata says she tried to steal from me, well, then the story would not add up because that would make me so powerful I was a game breaker. Earthling set it up perfectly, though, because by text walling on day 1 he knew people would notice his absence on day 2, and they did. When he returns, he has the perfect alibi: he was afflicted by the very trick he used on someone else. Convenient. I make an easier target because I was trying to acquire a bulletproof item and failed, so Earthling is under the false impression that I am unable to defend myself and therefore people will be more likley to murder me

I suggest you spend some money on self defense tonight, Earthling. I hope your action on the first night wasn't purchased, because that would mean you will be near broke.

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Perhaps he is simply scaring people further into not using the defense abilities. That is keep your money or the Chaotic faction will simply outbid you in lynches, and kill you have one by one. Perhaps a threat towards Earthling? Or trying to gain more information as to what Earthling did night one?


Anyway, this is my case.
tl;dr Major Robert Dump appears to be trying to talk people out of using defense night actions. Seems to want items to be voted to himself (perhaps to take them out of everyone else's hands), and in order to do this perhaps wants to find out information about others, perhaps to be able to make a decision whether to kill you or let you live.

I apologise if I've got you totally wrong, but this is just what I got out of it.

So Fold; Bet: 15 credits on Major Robert Dump, for now.

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

I no see teh kitteh.....
https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums...g?t=1304020899

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Or

https://i381.photobucket.com/albums/...s/Happycat.jpg

Bet 8 Credits: ACIN

I don't know, I don't trust you :laugh:.

As Renata pointed out:

We're Day 1, with 15 minutes before the deadline, the tally is:

18 Seon (CHAOTIC)
11 ByzantineKnight (Evil)
10 Capt Blackadder (Evil)
7 Earthling (unknown)
6 Subotan (unknown)

Then with 14 mins to go, Seon vote to save himself.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am

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Making it CB 20, Seon 18.

And with 4 minutes to go, Major Robert Dump does the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder

I'm just here for the credits. Such scum I am

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Even correcting his wrong format 2 minutes later.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Fold.

Bet 10: CPT Blackadder
wrong format

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Making it 30 CB, 18 Seon.

Fold. Bet 30 credits Major Robert Dump

Because:

1) I don't believe his story that civplayah would have no credits at all. I could figure a scenario, with civplayah being stolen early, and using all his remaining credits to buy a night action on N2, leaving no credits to be stolen from, but civplayah is inactive and asked to be replaced, thus it seems unlikely.

2) MRD voted with Seon on D1, when he was under pressure. Moreover he did it with 4 minutes to do, even correcting his format mistake two minutes later, meaning he was very (very very very!) interested in the Day 1 lynch.

3) The tally being CB 20, Seon 18, doesn't mean that MRD didn't have to place his vote to help his (possible) teammate. In fact this tally is harder to keep track of, and it's plausible that the mafia wouldn't know with certainty that Seon was not in danger anymore. MRD could have placed this vote in a hurry, being told that his format was wrong, and correcting it. Also there was still a possibility that CB would show and place a late vote also, another 10 on Seon, so they might have felt more credits on CB was necessary.

Bottom line, I cannot forgive MRD for helping a known felon on Day 1, specially this late in the round. The civplayah story is just the icing on the cake.

Come on, I need help, my 30 credits aren't enough to lynch him!

(the current tally is, I think, 39 civplayah, 37 acin, 35 Earthling, 32 Major Robert Dump)

Scratch the above tally. Crosspost with robbie and warman.

And happy to see robbie betting 15 on MRD. :smug2:

Thats the worst case I have ever read. QWanting items voted to me is scummy? You are kidding, right? Can I have your items then?

Me not realizing the whole "cover role" for Chaos thing was because I didn't read the freaking directions properly.

I am curious why people are coming out in force once I bring up CivPlayah, a presumably inactive player. If he is not playing, why not lynch him?

And yes, Renata, thank you for pointinbg out the 1 to 4 credit ratio thing that I have pointed out before. You can't steal 2 credits from someone. It has to be 4, as in increments of 4, as in math, you guys should try it sometimes. So yes, it is possible for someone to have nothing to steal, because the definition of "nothing" is 3 or less.

day 1 end: 99 left
spend 25 night 1: 74
12 stolen night 1: 62
day 2 end: 61
night 2 spend 60: 1 left

There are multiple variations of the above. I'm not gonna spell it out for you people. And I'm still not saying CivPlayah is guilty. What is curious is that my idea tossing brings out the wolves.

If ACIN is asking to be replaced, I think that really indicates a frustrated townie more than anything. I haven't really been fair in my treatment of him, either. He's still a suspect, but not as strong as MRD.

Fold. Bet: 10 credits on MRD

Tally please? I would like to adjust my credit total to ensure MRD gets lynched.

Don't put too much trust in this tally, I've been making mistakes with my local tallies in this game, but it should be close to this:

57 MRD (Earthling 1, Visorslash 1, robbiecon 15, Romanic 30, Zack 10)
39 civplayah (Chaotix 2, Crazed Rabbit 1, acin 19, fluffy 7, Jolt 10)
35 Earthling (Subotan 30, Bow-wow-wow 5)
30 acin (GE 8, Renata 1, Believer 5, Psychonaut 5, DIY 3, Warman 8)
24 Subotan (shlin 1, dcmort 5, DE 3, Ironside 2, Red_Spy 5, mythmonster 8)
5 Beskar (Skooma 5)
1 Chaotix (Beskar 1)


Please point out any error.

Meh.
This game wouldn't be so awesome without the gambling aspect.

Fold; Bet 7 on MRD

Although I do believe I just contradicted one of my previous posts....

Fold. Bet: 1 credit on MRD

Still got 5.5 hours.

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Your rationale for maximum voting, however, is off. Why pressure someone who voted for Subotan? Is Subotan a confirmed innocent, so that you feel it is rightful to maximum vote someone who votes for Subotan? Why not maximum vote someone who is voting for MRD or Renata? Is it random after all? Or do you actually have a reason for pressuring?

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I don't see why it matters that dcmort is voting Subotan or Santa Claus. :grin: I'm still gonna land my vote on who I feel is scummy. I'm returning you the question: Why should I be max voting on someone who's been voting MRD or Renata (and not Subotan) ?

As for pressuring dcmort, yes I had reasons. He's been small posting, small betting, asking questions but not following up when the answer was given. Looks like scum behavior, doing enough to be active and appear helpful (asking question) but it could be a smoke cloud.

Not convinced by his reply, but I'm liking MRD more now.

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Originally Posted by Zack

Fold. Bet: 1 credit on MRD

Still got 5.5 hours.

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Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

I voted CB on day 1 because I thought I would win money. Blackadder was already dead, and I work late. I did not understand the rules. Just like I did not realize Chaos would have cover roles. It's really not that hard to make these mistakes, considering people still didn't understand the betting process by the end of day 2, which is clear from all the LOLZ WUT DO I DO AGAIN? posts

Whats even more amusing is that you are taking Day 1 voting demographics and making a case out of it, as if anyone knew who anyone else was. That, to me, is "typical" scummy (since you seem to know all the typical townie/mafia stereotypes)

And even more amusing than that is that none of this started until a bunch of math-challenged people who didn't read the rules (OMGZ ROMANIC DIDNT KNOW THE 1 TO 4 THEFT RATIO HE MUST BE CHAOTIC) got their panties in a wad because of this hypothesis with Civplayah, which I never even said was 100% true and I didn't even vote for the guy.

And even more amusing than the more amusing thing before, is that I get max credit votes. Max credit votes, so far in this game, have been 100% wrong. I think we have either found some Chaotics, or perhaps a faction that is still strong and in comms with one another and trying to snowball anyone they see as a threat. They especially see me as a threat since I will likley get the Butt X-ray

When I press the reply with quote, the multi-quoted quotes are still coming up. But that's 50 on MRD as it stands, what with Zack's changeover to 1 credit.

EDIT: And yes, I would prefer if he was outside of the reach of being able to save himself right now. I'm around for 2 hours at the most, to up the bet if needs be, but beyond that, it's up to you guys.

And fluffyone, if you just contradicted a previous post, and I ever have to analyze you, don't worry, I'll bring it up ;)

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Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

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Don't worry, I will use my credits to ensure MRD has at least a 30 credit lead. I'm just anticipating vote changes.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

I don't see why it matters that dcmort is voting Subotan or Santa Claus. :grin: I'm still gonna land my vote on who I feel is scummy. I'm returning you the question: Why should I be max voting on someone who's been voting MRD or Renata (and not Subotan) ?

As for pressuring dcmort, yes I had reasons. He's been small posting, small betting, asking questions but not following up when the answer was given. Looks like scum behavior, doing enough to be active and appear helpful (asking question) but it could be a smoke cloud.

Not convinced by his reply, but I'm liking MRD more now.

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Actually, you max voted for him, while asking why was he voting for Subotan. You weren't calling him out because of anything else, but rather why he voted for that specific individual. And now you reason that that wasn't actually why you max voted for him. Sorry, but something smells fishy here.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Not happy. If you think MRD is a good lynch candidate, you should bet more. He's shown that he will be around close to the deadline, so anything less than a 31 credits lead might not be enough to lynch him. Why are you removing your credits so early?

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People aren't voting to make you happy. People are supposed to vote the credits they think they should. If they want to keep credits, then they should do that.

Everyone should vote big because you want them to (And because in the big picture, it would turn your max voting and potential max wasting credits into something common rather than sporadic, something with which the town that check for irregular behaviour in which mafia want to force a lynch). I'll have my eye on you.

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Originally Posted by robbiecon

And fluffyone, if you just contradicted a previous post, and I ever have to analyze you, don't worry, I'll bring it up ;)

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Eh; its worth the gamble.

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

Eh; its worth the gamble.

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Ba dum tish!

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Max credit votes, so far in this game, have been 100% wrong.

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Well we've not caught anything by the lynch so that argument is really not too swell. But whatever.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

Actually, you max voted for him, while asking why was he voting for Subotan. You weren't calling him out because of anything else, but rather why he voted for that specific individual. And now you reason that that wasn't actually why you max voted for him. Sorry, but something smells fishy here.

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Fair enough, I didn't lay my reasons to suspect dcmort in the game thread, but him voting Subotan was not why I did it. Asking why he was voting Subotan was a bonus.

I've told Renata in chat why I was voting dcmort yesterday. She can confirm, if it pleases you. It didn't have anything to do with Subotan.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

People aren't voting to make you happy. People are supposed to vote the credits they think they should. If they want to keep credits, then they should do that.

Everyone should vote big because you want them to (And because in the big picture, it would turn your max voting and potential max wasting credits into something common rather than sporadic, something with which the town that check for irregular behaviour in which mafia want to force a lynch). I'll have my eye on you.

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Commenting about someone's actions is fair game. Saying that I'm not happy that Zack withdrew his credits, is fair game. Not sure what's your point here. I'm not ordering people around, don't put words in my mouth.

And... "People aren't voting to make you happy" made me :laugh4:

I HATE CONTRADICTING MYSELF!!!!

Fold; Bet 7 on Romanic
All in seems so risky, even with all the "proof".

I say that because in the end, we only can speculate, and not prove anything.

I really don't want to claim, but maybe if I did it would shut up Earthling at the same time.

They don't want me to have the butt X-Ray. They know they can't assassinate me because I kick the crap out of them if they try. They know that eventually all my bling and all my hoes gonna roll dirty up in that rear and go pop pop pop on the scrilla to the nilla and ain't no Chaos gonna stand in the way of the Evil revival.

You are all making a big mistake here. Seon would never dare risk his teammates like that.

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Originally Posted by Seon

You are all making a big mistake here. Seon would never dare risk his teammates like that.

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Fold; 5 credits ACIN
Bet: 10 credits on MJD

You had me at mistake.

I got robbed last night for 40 credits, so perhaps that where some of CPs money went. Seems unlikely he'd lose that much, but he is inactive so I see no reason to waste a lynch when there are better candidates.
Bet 2 credits on MRD.

Nvm, I read the thread now. CP probably is lying about not playing, but seeing as he has no money, can't do anything right now anyway.

I like this case on MRD
Bet: 10 credits on MRD

Fold. Bet: 30 credits on civplayah

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Originally Posted by ELITEofKingWarman8

Fold. Bet: 30 credits on civplayah

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What the????

If MRD is scum (I think he is now), so is Warman.

Fold. Bet: 15 credits on MRD

I don't really get much of robbie's particular additions to the case on MRD, but the posts themselves that he highlights do strike me as scummy (for mostly different reasons than he has, but that's not important.) I just want to point out one quote:

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And what about the people who have barely posted, or in some cases, haven't posted at all? Why not vote for them? So far, all of my Day 1 suspicions were unfounded, and ther person I suspected of being innocent was, in fact, chaotic. I would say not/barely posting is far more suspicious than posting silly spam.

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As I mentioned in my own summary, on day one MRD makes a comment somewhere in the neighborhood of Kagemusha and Byzantine Knight (both now dead and innocent) colluding against me and Seon. The implication here is the former two are scummy, the latter two innocent.

But in this day two quote that robbie found, it's just "the person I suspected of being innocent was actually scummy". Person, singular; I'm nowhere to be seen. That very much reinforces my suspicion that I was incidental to the comment from day one, the real point of it being to make Seon look unjustly persecuted; and the real point here to look as if his thinking Seon innocent was no big deal. It doesn't help that in this post MRD is referring to ACIN as being a bad vote target, someone I still have mixed feelings about.

Some of Romanic's points I want to argue against (I still am not convinced MRD is actually lying about civplayah's funds; and civplayah's non-replacement does bother me), but that's just being persnickety. Civplayah should be a vig target regardless, though.

@ Jolt -- yes, Romanic did bring up his case on dcmort to me in private before or right after casting his vote; I can't remember. dcmort's posts are in fact weak in just the way that Romanic says. Take that for what it's worth.

fold; bet 5 credits on MRD

I will not be around at the deadline.

What the heck, Warman?

How many votes does MRD have on civplayah right now?

I should be back one more time in about an hour.

Renata can have the gag
I'd like the Rope
Beskar can have the shell

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Originally Posted by Renata

What the heck, Warman?

How many votes does MRD have on civplayah right now?

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Nothing. Unless I missed it, MRD has yet to vote.

I'll bite

Bet: 10 Credit on MRD

Bet: 10 credit on MRD

BANDWAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

I HATE CONTRADICTING MYSELF!!!!

Fold; Bet 7 on Romanic
All in seems so risky, even with all the "proof".

I say that because in the end, we only can speculate, and not prove anything.

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To be fair, I wouldn't bet on Romanic being Mafia. He's smelling scummy to me. I guess in the following days, we'll see.

EDIT: Since it appears clear that MRD will take the chop and I don't want to lose 10 credits for nothing on civplayah:

Fold; Bet: 1 credit on MRD

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Originally Posted by Jolt

To be fair, I wouldn't bet on Romanic being Mafia. He's smelling scummy to me. I guess in the following days, we'll see.

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Eh, I don't feel like jumping on a bandwagon, and I lose my credits even if I vote for someone else, so meh.

I think it's MRD 105; civplayah 52 at the moment. I might be out a little, what with votes changes I might have overlooked.

Cool.

the question I pose to all of you is this:
At the start of the day, I was on top of the world. People voted me the Butt X-Ray, they sent PMs telling me I was LOL, they were suspicious of others. Were I truly guilty, then why would I start talking? Why would I start making accusations when I was already in the clear? Why does simply talking about possible Chaos strategy and trying to solve the card mystery make me a target?

You people are like a bunch of little monkeys going after an overturned bananna truck. This is what I get for offering healthy conversation, hypotheses and theories. And next round, after you lynch me and you see that I am innocent, you will all scramble to hide your half-eaten banannas, stuttering out excuses about this and that, to which I willl respond with quotes to show that everything you said that I said that was suspicious was actually not suspicious it was just true.

Rather than healthy debate, I should have just brought biscuits and mustard, pop-up books and pacifiers. Rather than numbering the pages, perhaps we should make them in the goemetrical shapes or farm animals so the numbers aren't so initimidating as to disocurage people from reading the entire thread. I want to say I will Publicly Claim in 2 hrs just to show you I am right, but most of the large voters probably wouldn't return to change their votes. The others would still let me die because I am a faction enemy, and because I am really, really handsome.

Fold,

Bet: 20 credits on civplayah

MRD is to funny to die. Also, bandwagon much you guys? :inquisitive:

CR

Fold; Bet 15 on Civplayah

And yet not once did I see a mention of pancakes in MRD's speech.
But bananas are cool too.

Fold

Just because I won't be around for a while, and I might regret it after MRDs claim

Unvote: Sideshow Bob GAG to MRD

Fold
Bet: 20 Credits on MRD

SAFOS: Fluffy

Sorry for double post, but is Mister Fluffy trying to save Mister Dump by voting to lynch someone who wants to be replaced?

No, I just don't feel like joining a bandwagon.

Vote 20 on MRD

Seems he is the one to get the chop so I want to see if I can get some more money.

I almost don't want to do this because nothing is funnier than watching people spend their money on cans of sea monkeys, but here goes:


I am RUDOLPH of the Bizarro Mafia.I really, really hate the Python Mafia and the Space Mafia. My card is a 2, just like BlackAdders....A claim I hinted from the very beginning was: that some faction members had similar face cards, yet I was castigated for and accused of being scum for this claim.

No one attacked me the first round, that was all a ploy to make myself look tough so others would be discouraged and I could experiment in night 1. I self defended for free and stole 20 credits from VisorSlash because he appeared inactive.

On night 2, I did try to steal 80 credits from CivPlayah because he appeared inactive and the action did not cost me anything. It was listed as a failure. But it did not cost me anything. I also self-defended free of charge.

I really did think I would win 10 creds on whoever got lynched no matter who they were, which is why I voted Blackadder Day 1. I was about to vote for BK, but Seon changed his vote to Black a few moments before I voted so I went with the latter.

Now, the Pythons and Space will know that I am telling the truth because I should show up as their enemies as well. However, they are unlikely to admit it because my faction is half dead and I will just get them more points. Furthermore, the Space Mafia has not lost any people yet.

With all this being said, even if anyone who voted me is smart enough to unvote me, I will have multiple assasination attempts during night 3. So for those of you who may still think that I am lying or have a cover role I tell you this:
Even if it is a lie, 2 factions will now come for me after dark. So let me live, and then come get some, the lot of you.

You don't have a man or a single testicle in your entire family.

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

Vote 20 on MRD

Seems he is the one to get the chop so I want to see if I can get some more money.

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You only get money if he's guilty, which he isn't. :wall:

CR

Fascinating. Anybody keeping a tally on the item votes? I started to but lost my motivation after realizing how large a spreadsheet I needed to keep up with. Also, some people didn't post their votes in the correct format and I'm not sure whether they count, as ATPG was pretty explicit about not counting imperfect votes.

Also, I question the likelihood of MRD's guilt based on the fact that his reveal included the two rival factions. Would a cover role PM include that information? Perhaps; a chaotic player would need to realize that certain factions were working against others in order to properly play along with any unsuspecting "allies" of the same faction.

None-the-less, Bet: 1 credit on Major Robert Dump. I don't have a better candidate at the moment, and if I'm gonna lose 1 credit regardless, it might as well be on the player most likely to be lynched. Also, I dislike your insulting behavior.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Fold,

Bet: 20 credits on civplayah

MRD is to funny to die. Also, bandwagon much you guys? :inquisitive:

CR

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

Fold; Bet 15 on Civplayah

And yet not once did I see a mention of pancakes in MRD's speech.
But bananas are cool too.

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FOS: You two

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

No, I just don't feel like joining a bandwagon.

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Right, I missed your previous, yet equally maddening posts. So to be clear, you quit one wagon to join another, then quit that one to rejoin the previous one? Skooma tinks u r a funneh Fluffeh.

Fold

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Originally Posted by Zack

FOS: You two

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Right. Because being part of the mob on the bandwagon going after the most talkative person isn't scummy.

CR

The New Orleans Police Department is more capable than our Mafia Town Deputies. I mean, this is some serious Barney Fife going on here. I'm not going to be lynched tonight. More votes are coming, including a bombshell the likes of which you awful people have not seen since 42 minutes 7 seconds into The Crying Game. Kiss those credits goodbye

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

The New Orleans Police Department is more capable than our Mafia Town Deputies. I mean, this is some serious Barney Fife going on here. I'm not going to be lynched tonight. More votes are coming, including a bombshell the likes of which you awful people have not seen since 42 minutes 7 seconds into The Crying Game. Kiss those credits goodbye

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CUE DRAMATIC MUSIC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leUTSH_wKos

gAH! cOMPUTER MAKES DOUBLE POST!
BAAAAD!

icky la picky wicky
icky la picky wicky
icky la boom-ba
icky la boom-ba
oh waffle offle waffle
oh waffle offle waffle
icky la boom-ba
icky la boom-ba

ICKY LA PICKY WICKY
ICKY LA PICKY WICKY
ICKY LA BOOM-BA
ICKY LA BOOM-BA
OH WAFFLE OFFLE WAFFLE
OH WAFFLE OFFLE WAFFLE
ICKY LA BOOM-BA
ICKY LA BOOM-BA

Raise: 29 credits

Also, Skooma Addict is another Bizarro faction member and even though he voted for MRD before, and must have thought he was scummy, unvoted to try and save a faction member (at least supposedly that would be why, there could be some further scum deal.)

........
I HATE THAT SONG.
Raise: 15 Credits

Again, I contradict myself!!

That song rocks. Where's me replacement? I hae tae go an hoost a game.

There is absolutely no point lynching MRD right now. He is out on the open now and can be offed by any faction at any point of time. Put the pressure somewhere else.

Oh yeah,

Unvote, vote: DESERT EAGLE to Zack
Unvote, vote: ROPE to choxorn

I'd still really like the fireball retaliatory to myself and don't know nor really endorse vote leaders on other items (well I am ok with Renata getting the Gag as I voted) so leaving the rest of my votes. Considering my item was stolen and it's a shame of course that you're scum and didn't want to come forward earlier today when I asked, could use the retaliation chance.

Fold Bet 30 credits on Civplayah