Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Logic

I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.

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By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.

That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".

That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.

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Originally Posted by Zack

what blunder in his opening

he talked about video games

I think your odds of being right are exactly 25%

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So you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand?

Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

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Originally Posted by Manasi

This thread has gotten really difficult to read.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

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I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way.

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Originally Posted by Zack

yes

disinterest in figuring things out is a wolf tell of yours

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He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

I like you far more today than yesterday.

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It's a standard reaction to Barto by newcomers, a good sign here because an aggressive no-nonsense character tends to be hostile to Barto at first glance.



Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.

He's not a huge talker, but he has actual thoughts he can defend with reasoning, offered freely and specifically, when he's town.

It looks similar but it's the difference between Logic and a cardboard cutout of Logic. Take your picture with him, you won't see him again after today.

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Originally Posted by reinoe

lol

UNVOTE: ZACK

VOTE: EL BARTO

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Wait you switch a legit readvote on Zack to a jokevote on Barto?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

So you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand?

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yes

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Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

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who do you want to lynch rn?

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I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way.

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He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.

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when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.

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I admittedly skimmed it.

I have you in a pseudotown limbo state where I think if I put in the work I'd be able to see why you're townie, but not conclusively because when is it ever conclusive with you, and you're tough that way. And putting in 30-60 minutes on you just to have a kinda town read on you just... feels wasteful.

You post enough where sorting you will be easier after there's a vote record for you. Your tone in either alignment and walls look so similar. You're a very good wolf. I don't think I'll be alive at the point where I'd be able to read you conclusively one way or the other. Truth be told I could have 4 days of solid work from you and I'm not sure.

You're not deviating strongly from where I'd expect you to be. Zack actually has more solving content and even posts than I feel he typically does. That's being said even with the assumption that he can do this as scum and I've seen it happen. I don't think he'll do it every game he rands scum. His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts. Basically he's putting himself through a big hassle voluntarily, clearing the hurdle and thensome.

Gotta give him town points for WIM but it isn't just that, it can never be just that with Zack. I even think he could be chasing scums now.

My time and energy was just more productively spent elsewhere in that moment, with your wall. I'll go look again now tho.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.

That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".

That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.

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That is paper thin.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts.

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:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

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Yes, with Csargo this can happen. More indicative I think is when and why he's acted, than his overall attitude and tone. But it doesn't help.

I feel like he's miserable, but I could be wrong about that. He also can simply be playing it low key so he can bring out the big guns later. But right now he needs to act like a townie and he's not, and I think he flinched when I went after Logic.

The roleplaying itself was probable to draw me votes if I voted a scum. It wasn't why I did it but I kept it in mind, to look at the people voting me and sort which of them were town. I think I got those folks' alignment right so far, comparing that with their body of work. Zack looks townie for it, Csargo doesn't, and the rest of their posts match up with that assessment.

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Originally Posted by Zack

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Think to your champs performance or any game where you posted a little as scum, and got no flak for it really.

Certainly not by me. And a lot of your town games are up and down postcount wise as well.

You can very easily phone it in on an early round, you choose not to.

The finale, not the qualifier.

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Originally Posted by Zack

yes


who do you want to lynch rn?



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when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?

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I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.

Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.

Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Think to your champs performance or any game where you posted a little as scum, and got no flak for it really.

Certainly not by me. And a lot of your town games are up and down postcount wise as well.

You can very easily phone it in on an early round, you choose not to.

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I had to sub out of the champs game, and I did get flak for it anyways

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.

Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.

Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.

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The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?

I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.

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Originally Posted by Zack

The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?

I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.

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I pointed out that this would have been a proper misgiving earlier on, but Pizza's pressure has been relentless and Logic hasn't kept up on his second set. Barto just began his first set. The point right now is that Logic is a decent candidate, not that he absolutely must be hammered now.

@Dp101, what do you think between Manasi, Barto, and Logic? Of course I tried to keep you and the latter two from tearing at each other's throats, but in the end you and Barto (and the rest) POEd Logic.

Is Logic now acting like Logic the round before his lynch then, or is it different conforming to Pizza's observations?

@ Monty

courtesy response to your wall with my opinions on relevant bits that weren't questions to others.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Note: Winston and Zack feel better individually as my responses below indicate, but this just elevates the possibility of m/m.

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Can't agree with that yet. It would take a lot of things to spin both reads negative. I literally would need to see 2 of Logic, Manasi, and Csargo flip town first, I think. Game would also be way out of hand by then. We'll cross that bridge when it ever happens.

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People re: Csargo, but you can't really judge by last game's performance. He's currently low-energy baseline for Csargo and that has tended to be town.

And that gif was deployed in the Pokemon game, right? He was v engaged scum.

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Agreed but this one-game meta thing is super thin. By his last town game, he should be lock scum, but I know that it wouldn't be for that reason because I have more than a one game meta with Csargo. He can still be scum but that's not why. Why is because he randed it and his post indicate so, but because it's different from his last town game by miles. It always would have been.

Higher engagement with Pokemon game as scum could have everything to do with partners, state of the game, and the theme. Could also have been a good time for him. There are games when I am locked and loaded if I rand mafia, other games I'm hoping for a town rand because I have a high bar to hit when I'm scum and I want to be able to give that level of performance and sometimes I don't have the energy and I'd have to summon it, which is difficult and frustrating when it's not there.

For those reasons, you shouldn't say Csargo this game as scum did this, he's doing something different here, he might be town. If he is, it's not for those reasons. Much better is examining him in this game. This game will always be much more alignment indicative than a one game meta snap read.

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Well, I think the DP analysis is insightful, but I don't know about "no person actually behaves like this"... Laughs aside, there was dicetosser in Representative Democracy. OTOH dicetosser was non-stop confrontational, so that consistency could be something to compare against reinoe later. As of now, reinoe fits well in the town-play mold of visitors like Severing Viper and a couple of other people.

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Dicetosser can be fun to play against, he's usually very blunt and confrontational though. He's a very brick wall kind of player, with rough and sharp bricks sticking out at odd angles.

reinoe reminds me of Lulz / iamabussinessman, tbqh. That's his style almost exactly. Voxx is different.

Not a lot of this is needed to be read by anyone, you could elect to skip it. I mainly talk about Winston/Zack not wolves and not w/w, and a bit on Csargo's one previous scum game not being very indicative because of how non-indicative one-game-meta is. Total body of work meta much more solid, this one game always more solid than meta anyway. The most telling meta is whole-game meta. One half of day one is the reason why I'm not more solid he needs to die. I also guess who reinoe is.

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Originally Posted by Zack

I had to sub out of the champs game, and I did get flak for it anyways

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Not a lot of scum reads or a ton of votes.

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Originally Posted by Zack

That is paper thin.

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INCORRECT!

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I also thought lulz, pizza. But I don't think so, considering he's not rubbing his nipples to the sweet, sweet sound of strategic zero posting.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

@Dp101, what do you think between Manasi, Barto, and Logic? Of course I tried to keep you and the latter two from tearing at each other's throats, but in the end you and Barto (and the rest) POEd Logic.

Is Logic now acting like Logic the round before his lynch then, or is it different conforming to Pizza's observations?

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Firstly, I wouldn’t exactly describe my r actions towards logic and Barto tearing st their throats, but anyway, I feel that out of those 3, the lynch order should be Logic > Barto > Manasi, with manasi basically being my null benchmark at this point. Barto’s outright refusal to read the thread feels like a new level of anti-town behaviour from him, and I’m starting to agree with Pizza on Logic. However, I want to emphasise here that I am not entirely sure how to read logic, and so my vote is more sheeping than anything else. Could you elaborate as to what you mean by “Logic the round before his lynch”? Are you referring to a past game here? Or do you think logic is playling like this because he thinks he is going to get lynched? I really can’t parse your statement.

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Originally Posted by Zack

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I also thought lulz, pizza. But I don't think so, considering he's not rubbing his nipples to the sweet, sweet sound of strategic zero posting.

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Why make an alt if you don't want to play a game with a relatively new group of people and a fresh meta?

He'd totally just sign up as lulz if he was gonna do that. He's followed me to various forums before (Giraffe, for example) and been lulz.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Firstly, I wouldn’t exactly describe my r actions towards logic and Barto tearing st their throats, but anyway, I feel that out of those 3, the lynch order should be Logic > Barto > Manasi, with manasi basically being my null benchmark at this point. Barto’s outright refusal to read the thread feels like a new level of anti-town behaviour from him, and I’m starting to agree with Pizza on Logic. However, I want to emphasise here that I am not entirely sure how to read logic, and so my vote is more sheeping than anything else. Could you elaborate as to what you mean by “Logic the round before his lynch”? Are you referring to a past game here? Or do you think logic is playling like this because he thinks he is going to get lynched? I really can’t parse your statement.

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Logic is straightforward. He can't hide in plain sight when he's a town power role, he just kind of vanishes. He has real thoughts as town that people sometimes dismiss for being too A ---> B, and as scum he's just kinda... like this. Not confident enough to battle, more liable to undercut or smudge, passive aggressive stuff. No depth, generic posts, catchable under pressure.

I don't think he can break out of this pattern since he's been at this for years. Logic is who he is. He needs someone who knows how to read him when he's town otherwise he's mislynch bait. He can hide under the radar if you don't push him as scum. He tenses up when he's got a town pr or scum role.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Firstly, I wouldn’t exactly describe my r actions towards logic and Barto tearing st their throats, but anyway, I feel that out of those 3, the lynch order should be Logic > Barto > Manasi, with manasi basically being my null benchmark at this point. Barto’s outright refusal to read the thread feels like a new level of anti-town behaviour from him, and I’m starting to agree with Pizza on Logic. However, I want to emphasise here that I am not entirely sure how to read logic, and so my vote is more sheeping than anything else. Could you elaborate as to what you mean by “Logic the round before his lynch”? Are you referring to a past game here? Or do you think logic is playling like this because he thinks he is going to get lynched? I really can’t parse your statement.

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I mentioned that in the two games he was town for a length of time, Pokemon and XCOM, he opened with a more confident and independent style, but over time lost confidence up to the point he was lynched in the endgame. Setting aside those specific endgame conditions of frustration and paranoia, I was wondering if Logic looked to you very different from opening-game town Logic, which means lean scum, or if he reminds you of something in end-game town Logic, which potentially means town Logic fumbling the entrance to this game.

This questions goes for Csargo and Barto as well, I guess. You were the XCOM endgame Big Three.

We'll see with Barto. Another interpretation is, he's making friends with the new people.

Logic can no more change his meta than I can stop being Askthepizzaguy. I haven't even bothered playing much under alts and I can't even keep up roleplaying that I want to do, eventually I still come out.

This game is one where your own nature can be used against you. It can exonerate or condemn you and unless you're amorphous personality-wise, you can get trapped by it.

Because at the time when I did my analysis clearing Logic that game, it was more on the basis of POE than gamecourse content or tone.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Logic is straightforward. He can't hide in plain sight when he's a town power role, he just kind of vanishes. He has real thoughts as town that people sometimes dismiss for being too A ---> B, and as scum he's just kinda... like this. Not confident enough to battle, more liable to undercut or smudge, passive aggressive stuff. No depth, generic posts, catchable under pressure.

I don't think he can break out of this pattern since he's been at this for years. Logic is who he is. He needs someone who knows how to read him when he's town otherwise he's mislynch bait. He can hide under the radar if you don't push him as scum. He tenses up when he's got a town pr or scum role.

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So what about his play makes him not just a town PR? The vanishing from the thread your describe seems to categorise his play this game fairly well, and personally, that’s been a far larger element of his play than any slips early game. Maybe I should reread the start.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Logic is straightforward. He can't hide in plain sight when he's a town power role, he just kind of vanishes. He has real thoughts as town that people sometimes dismiss for being too A ---> B, and as scum he's just kinda... like this. Not confident enough to battle, more liable to undercut or smudge, passive aggressive stuff. No depth, generic posts, catchable under pressure.

I don't think he can break out of this pattern since he's been at this for years. Logic is who he is. He needs someone who knows how to read him when he's town otherwise he's mislynch bait. He can hide under the radar if you don't push him as scum. He tenses up when he's got a town pr or scum role.

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I'm confused, logic has only played a few games here

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Originally Posted by Dp101

So what about his play makes him not just a town PR? The vanishing from the thread your describe seems to categorise his play this game fairly well, and personally, that’s been a far larger element of his play than any slips early game. Maybe I should reread the start.

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Passive aggressive. If he were hiding, he wouldn't be undercutting or even solving.

His intent is malevolent here, not hiding.

He would find someone who won't push back and vote them, and then not post.

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Originally Posted by Zack

I'm confused, logic has only played a few games here

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I played often with him on his home board.

Style is exactly the same and he's a long time player there.

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Originally Posted by Logic

I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.

Winston, this... looks odd. It sounds to me like a willingness to lynch pizza, but an admission that you know he's town.

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This post is why Logic is never a town pr here.

This route of smearing Winston is not Logic's usual town fare, and it's not straightforward.

Logic is very straightforward.

This is Logic implying Winston is scum in a roundabout way, hands off. That's not his MO as town, and definitely not as a town power role.

Iso him in XCOM or any game he was town.

Find passive aggression and roundabout implications someone is scum, and I'll give you a cookie.

You'd be right that I'm annoyed/not enjoying this game pizza. I'm busy with school/work, so I'm super tired all the time now. I'm not entirely sure what happened with the Zack thing initially, I didn't think I contradicted myself, but such is life. It spiraled after that, I'm just not having a good time.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Iso him in XCOM or any game he was town.

Find passive aggression and roundabout implications someone is scum, and I'll give you a cookie.

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We still got two days

If he doesn't improve, and I'm bored of the long day and want to stab my eyeballs out, maybe I'll take a look

but I get the feeling this is just another jarrema in ikea mafia moment

I'm doing a quick iso of XCOM just to see how right I am about that, even though I know.

I'm on page 14 and he's accused a ton of folks, in every single case, it has been level one, what he says is what he means, unambiguous, not passive aggressive, directly straightforward suspicion. I think X is scum. Upon further analysis, I feel less sure he's scum. And so on.

Logic isn't Logic this game. He's illogical, and that has no place in a chess game. Snap up the loose queen, guys.

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

You'd be right that I'm annoyed/not enjoying this game pizza. I'm busy with school/work, so I'm super tired all the time now. I'm not entirely sure what happened with the Zack thing initially, I didn't think I contradicted myself, but such is life. It spiraled after that, I'm just not having a good time.

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My sympathies.

Seriously. I'm hoping regardless what happens next or your alignment or whatever, you find a way to have fun.

I won't hound you, I've said why I have issues and may vote you in a future round. But I'll try not to make the experience bad for you.

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Originally Posted by Fredwood

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

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I've been busier and don't actually want to keep up that rate of activity

I did that in the one game with mtgs on MU that was 72/24. It was exhausting and miserable. Can't go hard in the paint 72 hours straight, it's not healthy for me.

and fwiw Pizza is probably just town

I had a theory earlier, but I think by this point it's clear it's just a theory and not actually applicable

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Originally Posted by Zack

I've been busier and don't actually want to keep up that rate of activity

I did that in the one game with mtgs on MU that was 72/24. It was exhausting and miserable. Can't go hard in the paint 72 hours straight, it's not healthy for me.

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I was more talking about your seeming annoyed by Bart and Pizza which did mess with the flow and content you had earlier. I'm not demanding any type of activity, I don't think I've posted 10 times. Still high up in my town, was just explaining why I'd put Slaan ahead of you now in his own tier.

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Originally Posted by Fredwood

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

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He literally quoted my post and said weak. How should I have responded to that?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

He literally quoted my post and said weak. How should I have responded to that?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

He literally quoted my post and said weak. How should I have responded to that?

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Lol I already retracted the assessment because I looked at the play and felt it wasn't applicable and wasn't using it as a basis to read you. I literally said what I thought in the moment and then researched. I got lectured twice on the statement even though I came to the same conclusion that people were lecturing me on.

Literally, Literal, Laterally, deleterious, latissimus dorsi.

Ok I think I've gotten it out of my system

So I ISO'd Logic once more to reconsider my case on him... I noticed how pizza basically immediatly went after him and tunneled him ever since, starting Post 169 where he calls his opener sloppy althought he just posted about games during rvs which I don't think is AI since we the topic when he came into the thread were video games.

But then there is his townread on me which is just weird as fuck... I mean I was just shitposting around and I can do that regardless of alignment (check the Orchestrated Chaos game where I also just randomly posted at SoD1)... I mean who can't just post small talk as either alignment. He then gives the reason that he thought I just tipped my foot in the water of new peeps here but how is that ever AI from anyone? There went 0 thought into his townread on me and there is no reason for a towny to do so.

So yea, I'm fine with a Logic lynch today.. in fact let me help

Vote: Logic

Also I'm gonna put Monty back in my null pile after his last couple of posts, they seemed pretty good

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Yeah off the cuff.

Will do because you're asking me for it.

To summarize my position, and this is rough and sloppy and doesn't contain jokes:

White pieces, top 6 are my town until they get kicked out, rest are prospects for town I am not solid on, need more analysis. In this order top down

1. Pizza
2. Zack
3. reinoe
4. dp101
5. Winston
6. GH
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7. choxorn
8. Slaan
9. Kage
10. Monty

Unknown:
Xiahou, probably town by odds, if I had to guess the slot based on reading the room.
Cuth, guess town. Not sure though.
Fredwood, no idea. Let's see later.
Barto, guess wolf if I had to find a fourth.

Black pieces:
1. Logic, easily
2. There is definitely either one or two black pieces inside Csargo and Manasi.

Get all three and you'll get two black pieces minimum, possibly GG. Start with Logic.

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Nah, not really buying this.

For starters I don't think Logic is mafia, it was pretty easy to shade him in the endgame of Pokemon and I'm detecting a lot of the same stuff here.

Secondly you're putting way too much emphasis on a single scumread of yours, half of your townies are simply the people who joined your wagon for goodness sake.

Stop tunneling, spread out, and read the whole game besides your black/white dichotomy on Logic and Csargo to a lesser extent. You're better than this regardless of alignment.

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Originally Posted by Slaan

Vote: Logic

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+ Unvote: Csargo (duno if thats required but just in case)

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.

That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".

That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.

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Okay your Kage post was better, but I think you're still tunneling/lacking context. Kage is Kage, Logic is Logic, and one of them is definitely more naturally uncomfortable.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

You'd be right that I'm annoyed/not enjoying this game pizza. I'm busy with school/work, so I'm super tired all the time now. I'm not entirely sure what happened with the Zack thing initially, I didn't think I contradicted myself, but such is life. It spiraled after that, I'm just not having a good time.

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Who do you currently look at being mafia? Lets ignore everything that happened so far for now with you and lets look forward together? :)

FINALLY, a dissenting opinion about Logic.

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Originally Posted by Fredwood

FINALLY, a dissenting opinion about Logic.

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what am i, chopped liver

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

Finished the iso of Logic in XCOM. I know I'm right on this. 70+ posts and 28 pages say the same thing on every page, starkly.

I challenge you to find literally any town game of his where he shaded someone even close to that way.

I don't think it's happened anytime in the past five years at least. This is not a one game meta read, it's not in his town playbook at all.

He's got his ways, I don't think he changed them for this game without an alignment change too.

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Originally Posted by Slaan

Wait you switch a legit readvote on Zack to a jokevote on Barto?

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El Barto has 14 posts. I challenge you to find one read.

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I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

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I thought Reinoe's entrance was fine. Why didn't you like it?

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I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

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Is it the entire game? Isnt it rather just one very loud voice that 2 others (Kage + dp) sheeped and now more recently I added myself to that list... am I missing someone? I don't see this being unlikely tbh

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what am i, chopped liver

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No, you're at least Corned Beef. I thought your logic stance was not as strong as a scum read, but were willing to lynch. GH is the first person to call Logic not mafia.

If it's two, then cool

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...wear-dance.gif

More victory dances.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Okay your Kage post was better, but I think you're still tunneling/lacking context. Kage is Kage, Logic is Logic, and one of them is definitely more naturally uncomfortable.

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My context on Logic is way better than anyone else's.

Look for yourself. Pick a game, any game. Pizza's Logic=Townie challenge.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Finished the iso of Logic in XCOM. I know I'm right on this. 70+ posts and 28 pages say the same thing on every page, starkly.

I challenge you to find literally any town game of his where he shaded someone even close to that way.

I don't think it's happened anytime in the past five years at least. This is not a one game meta read, it's not in his town playbook at all.

He's got his ways, I don't think he changed them for this game without an alignment change too.

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Well, OK, but you made a meta-meta point on how to correctly interpret within-game and across-career and as someone with a lot of experience with Logic you haven't really explained his scum meta, just how his behavior here is inconsistent with his town meta.

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Originally Posted by reinoe

El Barto has 14 posts. I challenge you to find one read.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I challenge you to find literally any town game of his where he shaded someone even close to that way.

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That x-post.

ATPG confirmed town.

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Originally Posted by reinoe

El Barto has 14 posts. I challenge you to find one read.

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Have you played with Barto before?

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Originally Posted by Zack

I mean, how many times does someone call a naturally suspicious looking person a wolf 1/3 into d1, literally almost the entire game says "sure bud" and votes him, and they actually flip wolf?

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Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

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Originally Posted by reinoe

El Barto has 14 posts. I challenge you to find one read.

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Oh yea I'm not saying that barto is playing well or anything and was I a vig I'd maybe just vig this night... but you had a real read on Zack iirc and change it to someone that just didnt give a crap so far? I mean it's not wolfy per se... just not something I'd do ^^

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Have you played with Barto before?

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Can't say that I have.

Fred why am I your top town read?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

My context on Logic is way better than anyone else's.

Look for yourself. Pick a game, any game. Pizza's Logic=Townie challenge.

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I'll check it out at some point in the phase, sure. But I'm not going to change my read on him in the meantime just because you told me to.

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Originally Posted by reinoe

Can't say that I have.

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He likes to troll people, especially unfamiliar people. Not saying your vote is misguided for pressure - just beware of a self-reinforcing cycle.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

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Who are you looking at then?

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I thought Reinoe's entrance was fine. Why didn't you like it?

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Maybe it wasn't his entrance, but it's the first time I noticed him, so I misspoke. My issue was his first content post, and then further his DP post.

His Logic scum read and somewhat associative read with Zack but pushing Zack before Logic.

He said independently that he has a scum read on Zack, buuuuut, the read he gave was inaccurate, he accused him of OMGUS when Zack did as much picking at people town reading him as he dis people scum reading him. That and his DP post felt forced AF, and overly long, when he didn't mention him before.

I can be talked down from a ledge on him, I just don't really have a stronger inclination to go to at this moment. The Logic thing was bothering me because it felt like an overwhelming damnation of the poor guy.

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Who are you looking at then?

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Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

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Originally Posted by Slaan

+ Unvote: Csargo (duno if thats required but just in case)

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Not required, and actually breaks the automated vote count script that someone made.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

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Why those three?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Not required, and actually breaks the automated vote count script that someone made.

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woaps

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Originally Posted by Slaan

woaps

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It’s fine, I’m pretty sure it only really breaks it if you vote/unvote in the same line.

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Originally Posted by Slaan

Why those three?

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The three of them have actually posted and I don't really have a read on any of them.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

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I can deal with this minus Fred, his content has been intermittent but fairly genuine.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at. Let's diversify.

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If you guys are just doing this to not be Pizza, that's not a good call or a good reason. But you do you.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'll check it out at some point in the phase, sure. But I'm not going to change my read on him in the meantime just because you told me to.

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If you ever get around to doing this, give me a real, honest assessment.

If you don't do a 180 I'm going to need a good explanation.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Well, now that I'm finally live, some combination of Fred, Barto, and Reinoe. I'd also like to stay live for a little while.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

The three of them have actually posted and I don't really have a read on any of them.

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Update on why reinoe's entrance was fine but now he needs to be looked at?

Fred is not doing anything noteworthy in general or compared to last game. In fact, his pressure on reinoe over case logic and approach is kind of similar to how he developed pressure on Barto over D1 and into D2.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

The three of them have actually posted and I don't really have a read on any of them.

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Well in case of Bart 'posted' I guess... but sure take a look.

I'm out for today, hf guys/gals :)