Internet forums have created hate amongst nationalities?

If this forum and totwar.com are the only forums that you look at, then you wouldn't know the insanity that goes on in the other forums. In the other forums, there are individuals who instigate arguments between different groups of people. What worries me is that I can see the hate forming in these groups of people who never said anything bad about each other before. Instead of debating in an effective way, some people attack one's character. If people just informed each other their own opinions, then we wouldn't be having any problem. The problem is that an internet forum is where anyone who knows how to type can join in no matter how immature or politically incorrect that individual is.

I typed this to let out the stress that I got from another forum.

I beg to differ. I think the internet reduces national hatred, disrespect and stereotyping.

For example, it is an excellent instrument for me to enlighten and educate you people of lesser nations of the ways of the civilized world. :book:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I beg to differ.

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I would have begged to be different

I blame it on the Ministry of Silly Walks.

If I am any example, I have developed a hatred of "civilized" people, especially civilized Frenchmen and Englishmen, just by hanging out here. Funny, because I used to agree with people like Louis.

I would say no. Infact I would go so far as to say that international forums make us realise that many have the same concerns, likes, and dislikes hidden behind a thin veiled wall of misunderstanding or propaganda set place by so called established sourses of knowledge repositories (media, government publications, political double speak).

I also have a long dong. We can all agree on that.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I also have a long dong. We can all agree on that.

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Dealing in counterfeit currencies again, Dave? Or are you speculating in the Vietnamese market? :wink:

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

Dealing in counterfeit currencies again, Dave? Or are you speculating in the Vietnamese market? :wink:

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I find the Vietnamese market satifying in terms to measure my lack of a large "portfolio". Thank God for the dong. :laugh4:

Back to the thread. I truelly believe that if every head of state were to converse in the Backroom, there would be world peace and lots of naked women.

So you think if UN resolutions were voted on in a backroom discussion thread then that would finally bring us world peace?

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Originally Posted by Husar

So you think if UN resolutions were voted on in a backroom discussion thread then that would finally bring us world peace?

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As long as the UN was not involved and just the threat of being sent to the Entrance Hall was there, they sure as hell would get along better. Of course I would probably cause WW3 somce brilliant thread about the downfalls of sodomy.:2thumbsup:

This is what I'm talking about. You guys relax and know how to have fun. I don't see this in some of the other forums.

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Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan

This is what I'm talking about. You guys relax and know how to have fun.

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Don't generalize, I'm hating all nations at the moment. Especially French and Mongols. Just read about some guy called Genghis Khan who apparently was very mean...

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Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan

I don't see this in some of the other forums.

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So don't go there. The beauty of internet forums is that there are literally millions around.

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Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan

You guys relax and know how to have fun. I don't see this in some of the other forums.

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Despite my maturity, superior wisdom, refined culture, unique class and other appearances to the contrary, I was not too old to learn a few things when I became a member of the .org. I learned some debating techniques here that are very useful on bad forums. And I learned patience. People in most other forums are flabbergasted if you treat (and continue to treat) them with respect instead of personal attacks, one-liners and foul language. Some just don't know what to say, others PM you to express their gratitude and mods sticky your contributions as a model for others. It makes you more influential in a forum, people actually start listening to you.

In short, I have high hopes for the Internet if you all follow my lead. :smug:

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

Despite my maturity, superior wisdom, refined culture, unique class and other appearances to the contrary, I was not too old to learn a few things when I became a member of the .org. I learned some debating techniques here that are very useful on bad forums. And I learned patience. People in most other forums are flabbergasted if you treat (and continue to treat) them with respect instead of personal attacks, one-liners and foul language. Some just don't know what to say, others PM you to express their gratitude and mods sticky your contributions as a model for others. It makes you more influential in a forum, people actually start listening to you.

In short, I have high hopes for the Internet if you all follow my lead. :smug:

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I learnt all about posting etiquette in usenet. Mixing with some usenet veterans, who harked back to the days before the September That Never Ended, I learned about posting protocols, and why they existed. Mixing with people whose RL memories go back waayyy before the internet existed, I learned about life experience, and how the world works, and a fair degree of cynicism. I eventually migrated to web forums, which were the only venue for popular specialist discussion of TW games, but for learned discussion of general matters, usenet was the best in my experience.

i have learned a ton on these forums, and while there have been times when i wanted to yell at some people over the israel/palestine dabate, overall ive managed to keep myself calm.
these forums have made me a better person and more open to other views.

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Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan

If this forum and totwar.com are the only forums that you look at, then you wouldn't know the insanity that goes on in the other forums. In the other forums, there are individuals who instigate arguments between different groups of people. What worries me is that I can see the hate forming in these groups of people who never said anything bad about each other before. Instead of debating in an effective way, some people attack one's character. If people just informed each other their own opinions, then we wouldn't be having any problem. The problem is that an internet forum is where anyone who knows how to type can join in no matter how immature or politically incorrect that individual is.

I typed this to let out the stress that I got from another forum.

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This is the reason I write here on the .org.

Those people in favour of unlimited "free speech" on the internet can go :daisy: themselves. The reason we can have sensible debates on this forum, is that we have very good moderators here, who strike down immediately on immaturity, personal attacks, flaming, etc etc.

On forums without hard-line mods, what you see is a complete mess. As "people should have the right to say whatever they like", any kind of sensible debate is quickly silenced into a pissing match to see who can shout higher than the others.

In short, I cannot express my gratitude for the mods here and their attitude enough. If the rest of the internet followed your example, the internet might be useful for things other than downloading porn.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I cannot express my gratitude for the mods here and their attitude enough. If the rest of the internet followed your example, the internet might be useful for things other than downloading porn.

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QFT :bow:

The mods are doing an excellent job, more then moderators they are ringmasters, not only the guardians of good behaviour but also guiding discussions.

hats off.

that should save me some infractions

I think people will get along better through the internet. You can learn a lot browsing forums and reading up on some stuff that takes your interests... so long as the internet increases our knowledge then :daisy: things like racism will be on the decline.

As for the heated debates along national lines (without going into ethnic nationalism), I think we will be a bit stubborn with that for a while to come, although giving the opposition a chance to say where they are coming from will surely at least help generate some understanding.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I beg to differ. I think the internet reduces national hatred, disrespect and stereotyping.

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But the stereotype on the internet is that you are a white, male, American, middle-class, better-than-everyone else, who has gender identity issues and sometimes pose as "girl"'s (guy in real life) and hates everyone different from that stereotype, especially homosexuals (even when they are posing as said female saying this). Oh and you love porn and subscribe to Maxim.

Also, anyone who believes anything like equality are 13 year old communists wanna-be dictators who want to destroy freedom of others being able to bomb 3rd world countries for oil supplies.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

This is the reason I write here on the .org.

Those people in favour of unlimited "free speech" on the internet can go :daisy: themselves. The reason we can have sensible debates on this forum, is that we have very good moderators here, who strike down immediately on immaturity, personal attacks, flaming, etc etc.

On forums without hard-line mods, what you see is a complete mess. As "people should have the right to say whatever they like", any kind of sensible debate is quickly silenced into a pissing match to see who can shout higher than the others.

In short, I cannot express my gratitude for the mods here and their attitude enough. If the rest of the internet followed your example, the internet might be useful for things other than downloading porn.

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^^ the jacky chan of internet social commentary ^^

seriously, we have good mods, so all is good.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

This is the reason I write here on the .org.

Those people in favour of unlimited "free speech" on the internet can go :daisy: themselves.

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Free speech on the internet should never be regulated by the government. Free speech on these forums? They're private, so I agree with your opinion on that.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Also, anyone who believes anything like equality are 13 year old communists wanna-be dictators who want to destroy freedom of others being able to bomb 3rd world countries for oil supplies.

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Cool

I think I've learned to hate on a wider, global scale, irrespective of race, gender, creed, or nationality.

I pretty much didn't care about other nationalities before browsing the intraweb.

Now, there are some that often piss me off because many of their members have a quite stupid behavior (Poles bashing Germany and Russia, Greeks bashing Turkey, Brits bashing France, Canadian bashing the US, the list goes on).

Nationalism based on century-old conflicts that nobody gives a damn about nowadays is moronic and turns me mad. Unhappilly, the internet is full of it.

I also think the org is a much more peaceful place, most of the nationalist nutjobs disappeared or improved their behavior. That's definitely a plus.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Free speech on the internet should never be regulated by the government. Free speech on these forums? They're private, so I agree with your opinion on that.

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"Free speech" on the internet means that there is no free speech at all. Those shouting highest will drown out all the others.

But who's talking about the government?

Thanks to the internet... I can see everything from all nation, and....

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thanks god... my country lack a decent pron... I prefer Japanesse batter now...

If you are upset by someone's comments there's an Ignore list in your CP where you can silance that person (or Cherem it) without having to bother with writepol or joycamptours.

The Idea of an arguement/hate sub-forum spared our site from the universal decay experienced on most sites.

I used to be quite a bigot when I first discovered the internet. But now I hate all foreigners equally :balloon2:

It depends on the size of the forum, too. Maybe 50 members visit the Backroom regularly. I used to be a member of one much bigger Serbian forum that dealt with pretty much everything, from sports to social issues and politics. When you open a new thread there in the evening, by morning there's 150 replies. It's hard for both users and moderators to keep track of it and it goes OT extremely fast.

Also, this is primarily a game forum, so it's not the place people visit when they want a heated political discussion, unless they're already members of course.

The internet has educated me more about the working of politics and the world in general then every minute i have spent in education combined. The internet has also somewhat moderated my views and made me consider other possiblities more seriously...

I wouldn't say I hated anyone before but it has made me more understanding of different nations and why they and thier people act and vote like they do...

Not just forums. Go look at the discussion page on Wikipedia for any page related to the Great Northern War.
Or look at the comments on any pro/anti-Russian Youtube video.

Possibly the most amusing thing I have ever seen was a flamewar between a Russian and a Georgian in English. They didn't seem to have quite the vocabulary required to engage in a flamewar without swearing, but they were really trying.

The best moderation is done by the posters themselves. In the end of the day the moderators don't like using warning points and some of the naughtiest posters we have a soft spot for if they are informed and/or funny most of the time.

It is fairly obvious that some posters bring out the worst and/or best in others and you can see tag teams of debate to tangos of death between some posters. As we can all see the same battles again and again. Logical when the topic is the same, a little tiresome when it is different topics.

I do think that communication is the key to a good family, friendship, business or any setting. Heck even a volleyball will do for conversation.

I think a lot of us agree on 80% of things and then fight like cats and dogs on 20%. Personally I prefer similies (in moderation and variety) to giving out even temporary warning points.

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

The best moderation is done by the posters themselves.

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Nonsense! You really do underestimate your importance, Papewaio!

The mods are needed to build the foundation, after that's done, everything will go smoothly. Just look at any chaotic forum; none of them have anything even remotely connected to proper mods. Yes, after the foundation is built, things will go smoothly and we'll hardly notice you guys, except when you're pitching in your ideas in threads. But to say you're anything less important because of that is nonsense.

What's really fun though, is watching established media do one epic fail after the other when it comes to internet forums. I have yet to find a single one worth anything. Heck, there was even debate(in TV, papers, etc) after some neo-nazi was banned from Dagbladet's(our second largest national newspaper) forum, after some "rather interesting" debating techniques... It's alarming that the largest providers of free speech(the media) are complete retards when it comes to tackling free speech on the internet. Some people think that everyone getting the same "airtime" is what free speech means. Which is nonsense, all that leads to is chaos and anarchy. Free speech on the internet means that if you use your manners and actually think things over before and during your posting, you're free to post your opinion, whatever that may be. Free speech requires some degree of effort from the speaker.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Nonsense! You really do underestimate your importance, Papewaio!

The mods are needed to build the foundation, after that's done, everything will go smoothly. Just look at any chaotic forum; none of them have anything even remotely connected to proper mods. Yes, after the foundation is built, things will go smoothly and we'll hardly notice you guys, except when you're pitching in your ideas in threads. But to say you're anything less important because of that is nonsense.

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coughsuckupcough...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Nonsense! You really do underestimate your importance, Papewaio!

The mods are needed to build the foundation, after that's done, everything will go smoothly. Just look at any chaotic forum; none of them have anything even remotely connected to proper mods. Yes, after the foundation is built, things will go smoothly and we'll hardly notice you guys, except when you're pitching in your ideas in threads. But to say you're anything less important because of that is nonsense.

What's really fun though, is watching established media do one epic fail after the other when it comes to internet forums. I have yet to find a single one worth anything. Heck, there was even debate(in TV, papers, etc) after some neo-nazi was banned from Dagbladet's(our second largest national newspaper) forum, after some "rather interesting" debating techniques... It's alarming that the largest providers of free speech(the media) are complete retards when it comes to tackling free speech on the internet. Some people think that everyone getting the same "airtime" is what free speech means. Which is nonsense, all that leads to is chaos and anarchy. Free speech on the internet means that if you use your manners and actually think things over before and during your posting, you're free to post your opinion, whatever that may be. Free speech requires some degree of effort from the speaker.

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Unmoderated forums can work, as long as there is a good signal to noise ratio, and as long as effective filtering capabilities are available. Most good usenet newsgroups have a significant body of experienced and/or knowledgable posters, who know how the group works, and actively keep their group on-topic. Most decent newsreaders also have killfiles and scorefiles with which to filter out the noise, which can be configured to the user's taste. Whatever vBulletin may offer, it unfortunately doesn't offer the latter. I've been wondering whether web forums will ever agree on a common protocol a la NNTP, so that forumreaders can be developed that can read the forum's content, but present it to the user in the user's preferred form.

Edit: Removed. Some things inevitably will go wrong.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I am still determined to turn this thread into the interwebs greatest nationalist hatemongering fest, so I prefer the term 'Quisling'.


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Let's see if we can catch any

POLAND SUCKS

now, we wait

I think we've threaded a slippery path, Fragony. What works as humour for us, will inevitably go wrong. Better leave it.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I think we've threaded a slippery path, Fragony. What works as humour for us, will inevitably go wrong. Better leave it.

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But it's satire, they must understand it, it isn't all just vodka and potatoes you know.

WHAT?!

:furious3::poland::furious3::poland:

Your Holland is small and puny compared to mighty Poland!!

~;)

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Originally Posted by Fragony

But it's satire, they must understand it, it isn't all just vodka and potatoes you know.

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I loves me a satirical bashfest. Oh bummer, you know I can't resist:


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