The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[CountArach]

Vote: CountArach, a retaliation vote, and a vote for voting first

Retaliatory votes are scummy. Also your second reasoning makes no sense at all.

My vote is staying with you.

[ULC]

Retaliatory votes are scummy. Also your second reasoning makes no sense at all.

My vote is staying with you.

A retaliatory vote scummy? Dear me, ready to pounce are we not CA, upon a person who makes it easy for you? My vote was never meant to make sense first of all, and a retaliatory vote in the first round is meaningless, unless you mean to imply that I am an incompetent mafioso, which I am not - I am just luckless.

[Ignoramus]

Vote: TinCow

He's trying to look like a tourist by voting for an inactive player.

[Beefy187]

Following four are the murder victims

777Ares777 (Shot to death)
TheFlax (Shot to death)
White_Eyes :D (Shot to death)
Reenk Roink (Killed by a knife)

Voting Round 1

TinCow : 7 (GH, shlin28, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevashzat, FactionHeir, Ignoramus)

Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus.JC, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma, TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Jolt, El Diablo)

boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (187Beefyz)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Lord Winter: 1 (TheFlax)
Caius: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir: 1 (glyphz)

Not voted : 4 ('khaan, Rythmic, Askthepizzaguy, Lord Winter)


Voting Round 2
Tevashzat : 8 (Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma1910, Ibn-Khaldun, TheFlax, glyphz)


Reenk Roink: 5 ('khaan, shlin28, Tiberius of the Drake, Tevashzat, Quintus.JC)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (187Beefyz)

Not voted: 14 (boudica, GH, Jolt, Rythmic, Chaotix27, ATPG, w&f, Lord Winter, CountArach, Caius, El Diablo, FactionHeir, Seamus, Ignoramus)

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[Beefy187]

Forgive me for double posting (someone save me). But heres what I got so far

-White_Eyes, Reenk on both day and Flax on day 2 has joined the main bandwagonning. Which suggest
the killer hates bandwagoners or just don't know how to play-> WIFOM don't even bother arguing.

-Rythmic, ATPG and Lord winter has not voted in two rounds. Which suggest that ATPG is away. iirc Lord Winter is less active when he has a townie role. But its dangerous to assume so until he is wogged. Rythmic... I don't know where he is off to.

-Round 2 has a lot more people who didn't make it to vote..

-Night 3 had 3 players killed. iirc night 2 had none.. Mafia recruited a few on night 2 perhaps.

-As Night 1 victim, Ares was killed with a gun, original mafia seems to have silencer pistols. Knife killer could be either new comers or vigilante.

- All killers are.. rather funny. I guess thats just Andres adding some flavors in the write up.

- Reenk was voted by Jolt & El Diablo on first day. The two didn't vote him on the second.

- .... Argh. Not much clues yet

[Jolt]

- Reenk was voted by Jolt & El Diablo on first day. The two didn't vote him on the second.

On my defence, I'm never on weekends, Thus why I didn't vote for lynch. Also, it basically practically proves I'm not from the Mafia (Since most Mafia guys decided to kill this night).

Anyways, can we lynch the athletic guy? He gets on my nerves. >_>

EDIT: As further proof, if you check the MTW Game, I also didn't participate there. :P

[Askthepizzaguy]

On my defence, I'm never on weekends, Thus why I didn't vote for lynch. Also, it basically practically proves I'm not from the Mafia (Since most Mafia guys decided to kill this night).

Anyways, can we lynch the athletic guy? He gets on my nerves. >_>

EDIT: As further proof, if you check the MTW Game, I also didn't participate there. :P

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...96#post2099096 (1/4)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...77#post2098677 (1/3)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...75#post2094075 (12/28)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...86#post2093686 (12/27)


Explain how I've just proven you were online, not only online, but posting in this forum, on both days of two consecutive weekends.

Why, if you are a townie, would you post such a blatant lie?

[TinCow]

-Rythmic, ATPG and Lord winter has not voted in two rounds. Which suggest that ATPG is away. iirc Lord Winter is less active when he has a townie role. But its dangerous to assume so until he is wogged. Rythmic... I don't know where he is off to.

Lord Winter is not mafia. He was away for all of last week. While he was away, there was a triple night kill. This almost certainly accounts for all starting mafia roles. While he could be recruitable or otherwise scumtastic in some other fashion, it would be a waste of time to focus on him now.

-Night 3 had 3 players killed. iirc night 2 had none.. Mafia recruited a few on night 2 perhaps.

Unlikely. In the first game they first had to investigate to find the person, then they had to recruit them. This takes time and it assumes that the mafia were spot in in their first night investigation. This is not probable. It is far more likely that the mafia families chose to kill at their full strength for the first time. In the first game, there were 3 starting mafioso, 2 in one family, and 1 in another. These three kills would account for them.

-As Night 1 victim, Ares was killed with a gun, original mafia seems to have silencer pistols. Knife killer could be either new comers or vigilante.

Or the 1 man mafia family.

Argh. Not much clues yet

That's fine, there's not usually that much by this point. My advice: start hounding the veteran players who are lurking. GH, Seamus, Sigurd, Rythmic, seireikhaan, and FactionHeir should all be much more active than this. Start moving to lynch them to get them to speak up in their own defense. The game will be better off with them vocal, regardless of whether they are mafia or town.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Taking the list that TinCow proposed..

My advice: start hounding the veteran players who are lurking. GH, Seamus, Sigurd, Rythmic, seireikhaan, and FactionHeir

.. I Vote: seireikhaan

[Reenk Roink]

Following four are the murder victims

777Ares777 (Shot to death)
TheFlax (Shot to death)
White_Eyes :D (Shot to death)
Reenk Roink (Killed by a knife)

Ok, so it seems I was killed by a knife whereas every other kill has occurred with a gun.

Keep in mind that YLC sent me this OM which I revealed earlier:

If you want Tevash lynched, I suggest you give me a good damn reason why I should not just change my vote and HAVE you lynched? The round is nearing an end, and I can decide this whole thing I want, during the day OR night if I want.

At first I didn't really believe him, and thought he was bluffing, but the different style of kill with the issue of the Mafia actually wanting to kill me lends credence to a theory of me being murdered by YLC.

A good fallback plan is for you go ahead and lynch him tonight if your other leads do not show up. Perhaps give him a chance to explain. Maybe he is a poorly guided vigilante who could still serve some use to the town.

[ULC]

Ok, so it seems I was killed by a knife whereas every other kill has occurred with a gun.

At first I didn't really believe him, and thought he was bluffing, but the different style of kill with the issue of the Mafia actually wanting to kill me lends credence to a theory of me being murdered by YLC.

A good fallback plan is for you go ahead and lynch him tonight if your other leads do not show up. Perhaps give him a chance to explain. Maybe he is a poorly guided vigilante who could still serve some use to the town.

I am guided by my own conscience, and I do what I think is best, nothing more. Maybe, if you had tried to explain things in a more concise way, certain actions need not have been taken. Whether you were pro-town or not does not matter, your Loki behavior only made you as good as a mafioso.

Also, it is "lynch him today", lynches do not take place during the night

[Beefy187]

YLC seems to be on the towns side. At worst SK. Probably a Vigilante
I'm not going to vote for YLC this phase

[CountArach]

A retaliatory vote scummy? Dear me, ready to pounce are we not CA, upon a person who makes it easy for you? My vote was never meant to make sense first of all, and a retaliatory vote in the first round is meaningless, unless you mean to imply that I am an incompetent mafioso, which I am not - I am just luckless.

You seriously think that was me pouncing on you? I am merely pointing out that in the first round, where we have 0 evidence, someone who responds to a vote on himself by voting for the person who voted for him is creating evidence for us. Also this post of yours seems to only have the defence of "I am not incompetent enough to do that" - thus throwing up a WIFOM situation.

[FactionHeir]

vote: Bovine

Ignoramus makes sense.

[ULC]

You seriously think that was me pouncing on you? I am merely pointing out that in the first round, where we have 0 evidence, someone who responds to a vote on himself by voting for the person who voted for him is creating evidence for us. Also this post of yours seems to only have the defense of "I am not incompetent enough to do that" - thus throwing up a WIFOM situation.

No, but I am being antagonistic, no?

So, by your statement, you ARE saying I am an incompetent mafioso by creating a situation in which I would present evidence that would eventually and possibly soon, lead to my own demise and thus be a detriment of my own team?

Also, I am not defending myself, I am trying to argue against your own argument - their is a difference. And there is only a WIFOM me situation if your willing to create one. One can create WIFOM out of anything if one wishes, I know, I do it very easily, almost unconsciously. And that, CA, is WIFOM only if you continue to insist on looking at it that way.

[Reenk Roink]

The town will make a significant step towards victory if they vote for Tevashszat who has a minor but still important role in the plot against the town.

However, Reenkaten has no need to vote to eliminate someone seeing as he could simply do away with Tevashszat in a much more direct fashion. Rather he wants to showcase his immortality and votes: Reenk Roink, courteously.

Do not worry Mafia, Reenk-sin will bestow a favor upon you this upcoming round to even things out.

[ULC]

The town will make a significant step towards victory if they vote for Tevashszat who has a minor but still important role in the plot against the town.

However, Reenkaten has no need to vote to eliminate someone seeing as he could simply do away with Tevashszat in a much more direct fashion. Rather he wants to showcase his immortality and votes: Reenk Roink, courteously.

Do not worry Mafia, Reenk-sin will bestow a favor upon you this upcoming round to even things out.

Please, elaborate further in a way that does not involve a method with intent to confuse or leave half enlightened. If you so choose, further the knowledge of the situation in a much more effective way, or I will intentionally see fit to make sure Tevash does not get lynched on such a poor stab at him.

[Caius]

The town will make a significant step towards victory if they vote for Tevashszat who has a minor but still important role in the plot against the town.

How do you know that?

[Reenk Roink]

How do you know that?

Because I am better than (all of) you (in terms of roles of this game).

[TevashSzat]

The town will make a significant step towards victory if they vote for Tevashszat who has a minor but still important role in the plot against the town.

However, Reenkaten has no need to vote to eliminate someone seeing as he could simply do away with Tevashszat in a much more direct fashion. Rather he wants to showcase his immortality and votes: Reenk Roink, courteously.

Do not worry Mafia, Reenk-sin will bestow a favor upon you this upcoming round to even things out.

Um.....yeah. I'm just a plain townie here.

I will vote:Reenk for trying to pretend that he has more power than he actually does.

[Thermal]

I am just luckless.

compared to me your lucky, are you looking for sympathy unduely?
Tincows self-preservation vote is suspicious, players say its a random vote but it doesn't seem it to me, certain vote ideas are without explanation.
And Reenk is just your easy vote, townies are voting without thought, if andres is a crafty game host he'll have destroyed towns poor strategy before long, hope you don't mind me interfering, but i'd give reenk a chance, having said that i wouldn't vote tevash yet until you have more evidence either way (also andres i am allow to contribute still aren't i?)

And i'll :Dead vote: Tincow

[White_eyes:D]

compared to me your lucky, are you looking for sympathy unduely?
Tincows self-preservation vote is suspicious, players say its a random vote but it doesn't seem it to me, certain vote ideas are without explanation.
And Reenk is just your easy vote, townies are voting without thought, if andres is a crafty game host he'll have destroyed towns poor strategy before long, hope you don't mind me interfering, but i'd give reenk a chance, having said that i wouldn't vote tevash yet until you have more evidence either way (also andres i am allow to contribute still aren't i?)

And i'll :Dead vote: Tincow

Unvote:Tevashzat Vote:Tincow Ares makes sense....Tincows weird self-preservation vote, stinks of Mafia....

[ULC]

Now that I have time to think on it, I'll...

Unvote: CountArach
Vote:TevashSzat

[TinCow]

Anyone who willingly goes to their death in mafia is a fool. There seems to be this absurd notion in mafia games that townies should be happy to die. I see no advantage whatsoever to townies letting themselves get lynched. That's one less vote for the town and one less target that the mafia have to kill off. If you want to hold my desire to remain alive in the game against me, so be it. I have never been, nor will I ever be, content to simply be lynched if there is any possible way to avoid it.

[Thermal]

Anyone who willingly goes to their death in mafia is a fool. There seems to be this absurd notion in mafia games that townies should be happy to die. I see no advantage whatsoever to townies letting themselves get lynched. That's one less vote for the town and one less target that the mafia have to kill off. If you want to hold my desire to remain alive in the game against me, so be it. I have never been, nor will I ever be, content to simply be lynched if there is any possible way to avoid it.

But this with your also over-exaggerated behavior makes a case

And is it coincidence that YLC changes his vote after tincow gets more votes than tevash? he votes for tevash when tincow is in danger, to re-even it, could YLC be linked with tincow?, this with YLC's "sypathy votes" when he doesnt seem that unlucky makes him a secondary suspect to me, if he was to be mafia, i would then vote against tincow or vica versa, I'm happy i was took notice of by white eyes but i am non the less a dead man, and i've been wrong in the past so listen at your disgression.


Basically YLC changing his vote right after white eyes to save tincow is scum of the earth behavior to me, and if he doesnt give detailed justification or re think, i would say tincow and YLC could just be mafia

[CountArach]

Anyone who willingly goes to their death in mafia is a fool. There seems to be this absurd notion in mafia games that townies should be happy to die. I see no advantage whatsoever to townies letting themselves get lynched. That's one less vote for the town and one less target that the mafia have to kill off. If you want to hold my desire to remain alive in the game against me, so be it. I have never been, nor will I ever be, content to simply be lynched if there is any possible way to avoid it.

The logic is that if townies make no noise as they go then we can easily tell if we have got a member of the mafia - mafia are going to kick up a stink about it.