The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

Following four are the murder victims

777Ares777 (Shot to death)
TheFlax (Shot to death)
White_Eyes :D (Shot to death)
Reenk Roink (Killed by a knife)

Voting Round 1

TinCow : 7 (GH, shlin28, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevashzat, FactionHeir, Ignoramus)

Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus.JC, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma, TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Jolt, El Diablo)

boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (187Beefyz)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Lord Winter: 1 (TheFlax)
Caius: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir: 1 (glyphz)

Not voted : 4 ('khaan, Rythmic, Askthepizzaguy, Lord Winter)


Voting Round 2
Tevashzat : 8 (Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma1910, Ibn-Khaldun, TheFlax, glyphz)


Reenk Roink: 5 ('khaan, shlin28, Tiberius of the Drake, Tevashzat, Quintus.JC)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (187Beefyz)

Not voted: 14 (boudica, GH, Jolt, Rythmic, Chaotix27, ATPG, w&f, Lord Winter, CountArach, Caius, El Diablo, FactionHeir, Seamus, Ignoramus)

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[Beefy187]

Forgive me for double posting (someone save me). But heres what I got so far

-White_Eyes, Reenk on both day and Flax on day 2 has joined the main bandwagonning. Which suggest
the killer hates bandwagoners or just don't know how to play-> WIFOM don't even bother arguing.

-Rythmic, ATPG and Lord winter has not voted in two rounds. Which suggest that ATPG is away. iirc Lord Winter is less active when he has a townie role. But its dangerous to assume so until he is wogged. Rythmic... I don't know where he is off to.

-Round 2 has a lot more people who didn't make it to vote..

-Night 3 had 3 players killed. iirc night 2 had none.. Mafia recruited a few on night 2 perhaps.

-As Night 1 victim, Ares was killed with a gun, original mafia seems to have silencer pistols. Knife killer could be either new comers or vigilante.

- All killers are.. rather funny. I guess thats just Andres adding some flavors in the write up.

- Reenk was voted by Jolt & El Diablo on first day. The two didn't vote him on the second.

- .... Argh. Not much clues yet

[Jolt]

- Reenk was voted by Jolt & El Diablo on first day. The two didn't vote him on the second.

On my defence, I'm never on weekends, Thus why I didn't vote for lynch. Also, it basically practically proves I'm not from the Mafia (Since most Mafia guys decided to kill this night).

Anyways, can we lynch the athletic guy? He gets on my nerves. >_>

EDIT: As further proof, if you check the MTW Game, I also didn't participate there. :P

[Askthepizzaguy]

On my defence, I'm never on weekends, Thus why I didn't vote for lynch. Also, it basically practically proves I'm not from the Mafia (Since most Mafia guys decided to kill this night).

Anyways, can we lynch the athletic guy? He gets on my nerves. >_>

EDIT: As further proof, if you check the MTW Game, I also didn't participate there. :P

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...96#post2099096 (1/4)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...77#post2098677 (1/3)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...75#post2094075 (12/28)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...86#post2093686 (12/27)


Explain how I've just proven you were online, not only online, but posting in this forum, on both days of two consecutive weekends.

Why, if you are a townie, would you post such a blatant lie?

[FactionHeir]

Sorry for not contributing much, caught a nasty cold.
For the time being: vote:abstain until I find time to read the thread.

[boudica]

Sorry for not contributing much, caught a nasty cold.
For the time being: vote:abstain until I find time to read the thread.

Being online is about the only thing I CAN do when I have a nasty cold (maybe man-flu IS different after all ) So I'll take the ghost of TinCows' advice and "vote-a-vet" in order to bring them out of lurkdom.

Vote: Factionheir (until he has contributed further about who I should vote for instead)

[Jolt]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...96#post2099096 (1/4)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...77#post2098677 (1/3)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...75#post2094075 (12/28)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...86#post2093686 (12/27)


Explain how I've just proven you were online, not only online, but posting in this forum, on both days of two consecutive weekends.

Why, if you are a townie, would you post such a blatant lie?

It is simple. Its called Christmas Vacation. When we have a said vacation, we don't have to be in a distant city studying. We can be at home, where he have a thing called internet. Explained?

EDIT: "Never" was a bad choice of words. "Never" meant: "Never (Better yet "Very, very rarely", since I have cousins in Lisbon to whose houses I rarely go in the weekend which do have internet) when I'm staying in Lisbon (City where I study)". I can confirm, however, that I shall possibly be in the internet, the forthcoming weekend as I'll be going home on this weekend.

EDIT 2 (Just had the opportunity to stroll around the thread for reasons about lynching or not):

Jolt:
Last Activity: Today 05:50
I've already questioned his behavior in this thread. Not a happy camper until he explains how he could possibly have been so mistaken.

Look at his posting style. His votes seem thoughtless, and his words undermine his innocence. No offense Jolt, and nothing personal. Indeed, I enjoy your posting outside of this game. In this one, you're just making me suspicious of you.

Main explanation given, my votes are rather thoughtless because I only voted in the first day and this is my first Mafia game. And no worries, I don't mind getting lynched (It's just a game.). I'm townie since I didn't even know what other roles, those could do (Didn't know mafia guys killed in the night, didn't know they could be investigated, and I don't know what "blocking" is, though I suppose it is a byword for investigating?).
Still, its fun I'm suspected. >_> makes for all the suspense.

Just as for Yoyoama's reason to vote for me, yeah I didn't even know if I was allowed to use other games as an argument for defence, but apparently its alright (Since noone said anything wrong).

EDIT 3: Since I'm leaving college where I have internet, I will only post a reply to anyone & vote tomorrow. Curious I have to say my activity in these forums so people won't lynch me. >_>

EDIT 4 (Missed this one):

Please explain yourself on this, a couple of days off-line never clears anyone off crime, and now others have been accusing you of blantly lying; this is particularly foolish for a mafia to do, and assuming you're town, what is the reason for you to lie?

That is covered by my main response. It was a poor choice of words, and neither was I aware that the way I said things meant so much in this game.

[TinCow]

-Rythmic, ATPG and Lord winter has not voted in two rounds. Which suggest that ATPG is away. iirc Lord Winter is less active when he has a townie role. But its dangerous to assume so until he is wogged. Rythmic... I don't know where he is off to.

Lord Winter is not mafia. He was away for all of last week. While he was away, there was a triple night kill. This almost certainly accounts for all starting mafia roles. While he could be recruitable or otherwise scumtastic in some other fashion, it would be a waste of time to focus on him now.

-Night 3 had 3 players killed. iirc night 2 had none.. Mafia recruited a few on night 2 perhaps.

Unlikely. In the first game they first had to investigate to find the person, then they had to recruit them. This takes time and it assumes that the mafia were spot in in their first night investigation. This is not probable. It is far more likely that the mafia families chose to kill at their full strength for the first time. In the first game, there were 3 starting mafioso, 2 in one family, and 1 in another. These three kills would account for them.

-As Night 1 victim, Ares was killed with a gun, original mafia seems to have silencer pistols. Knife killer could be either new comers or vigilante.

Or the 1 man mafia family.

Argh. Not much clues yet

That's fine, there's not usually that much by this point. My advice: start hounding the veteran players who are lurking. GH, Seamus, Sigurd, Rythmic, seireikhaan, and FactionHeir should all be much more active than this. Start moving to lynch them to get them to speak up in their own defense. The game will be better off with them vocal, regardless of whether they are mafia or town.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Taking the list that TinCow proposed..

My advice: start hounding the veteran players who are lurking. GH, Seamus, Sigurd, Rythmic, seireikhaan, and FactionHeir

.. I Vote: seireikhaan

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Rythmic

Until I can come up with someone better. He does lurk when he's mafia. Not sure about his townie credentials but I don't particularly agree with a lurking townie approach. Allows the lurker mafia to blend in.


I still want an explain from Jolt regarding previous post I made.

[TinCow]

Vote: Rythmic

Until I can come up with someone better. He does lurk when he's mafia. Not sure about his townie credentials but I don't particularly agree with a lurking townie approach. Allows the lurker mafia to blend in.

In previous games I have played in, Rythmic has been an extremely useful townie. He and Seamus have consistently provided some of the best analysis of the evidence. I don't know what he is usually like, since I've still only played a handful of games with him, but in my experience Rythmic is very useful when he is active.

That said, some of the people I listed above could be silent simply because they haven't been on the forums. I am staying away from checking profiles because Mods have the ability to see extra info in profiles that is unfair to know for mafia games (such as seeing people who are invisible). However, the same is not true for most of you. If someone could report back on the last date of activity for all living players in this game, it would be very useful. If a profile says nothing, it's because the person is marked down as invisible.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Rythmic is an excellent player. That's why his inactivity/lurkishness is a slap in the face of townies like me.



A bit over the top? Tone it down, pizza lord. Right, right.

Still anxiously awaiting Jolt's response... because I'm bursting in my pants to see the explanation

[Reenk Roink]

Following four are the murder victims

777Ares777 (Shot to death)
TheFlax (Shot to death)
White_Eyes :D (Shot to death)
Reenk Roink (Killed by a knife)

Ok, so it seems I was killed by a knife whereas every other kill has occurred with a gun.

Keep in mind that YLC sent me this OM which I revealed earlier:

If you want Tevash lynched, I suggest you give me a good damn reason why I should not just change my vote and HAVE you lynched? The round is nearing an end, and I can decide this whole thing I want, during the day OR night if I want.

At first I didn't really believe him, and thought he was bluffing, but the different style of kill with the issue of the Mafia actually wanting to kill me lends credence to a theory of me being murdered by YLC.

A good fallback plan is for you go ahead and lynch him tonight if your other leads do not show up. Perhaps give him a chance to explain. Maybe he is a poorly guided vigilante who could still serve some use to the town.

[ULC]

Ok, so it seems I was killed by a knife whereas every other kill has occurred with a gun.

At first I didn't really believe him, and thought he was bluffing, but the different style of kill with the issue of the Mafia actually wanting to kill me lends credence to a theory of me being murdered by YLC.

A good fallback plan is for you go ahead and lynch him tonight if your other leads do not show up. Perhaps give him a chance to explain. Maybe he is a poorly guided vigilante who could still serve some use to the town.

I am guided by my own conscience, and I do what I think is best, nothing more. Maybe, if you had tried to explain things in a more concise way, certain actions need not have been taken. Whether you were pro-town or not does not matter, your Loki behavior only made you as good as a mafioso.

Also, it is "lynch him today", lynches do not take place during the night

[Beefy187]

YLC seems to be on the towns side. At worst SK. Probably a Vigilante
I'm not going to vote for YLC this phase

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok I finally made it here to vote. I was not here all during the night phase, there may have been fewer kills because of that. And this is a very good thing.

Look, guys, I know either you will lynch me, or mafia will kill me when you don't. I'm as good as toast so I won't bother defending myself. What I am asking is that you let me live, long enough to prove that it isn't me that's killing at night. My predictable attendance on the internet absolutely confirms that I cannot kill at night, which means that mafia will be FORCED to kill me. I think this is a good thing, as I'll be one of the few confirmed innocents.

The mafia may choose to keep me alive, as well, sort of insinuating that I'm guilty of something. But it won't be a convincing ploy if the kill rate goes up. In order to imply I am guilty, they must refrain from killing at their full potential, which is also good for town. The sooner they kill me, the better.

So, they will leave a confirmed innocent person alive, or kill me. In any case, you don't have to lynch me, and they will waste a turn killing me.

It's also possible I have a role besides one of the two mafia (I don't), so they have additional reasons to kill me, as do you. I suggest humbly that you employ the strategy of forcing them to kill me, simply to use me as a human shield. I am grateful to die for town.

If they leave me alive, you can choose to investigate me randomly, which again forces them to kill me.

If I am missing something from this proposed strategy, feel free to tell me. And if you really feel like defending me, go ahead, you may stop another kill. But I also know this entire post, and my behavior thusfar, can and will be interpreted by you as a WIFOM strategy to live. I promise you, I will die before the end of the game, and I can basically guarantee that I won't be here at night, thus making me murder bait.

[CountArach]

Sorry people, but this has been an absolutely hectic week at work (We are getting an evaluation by the regional second in command on Saturday, hence I am busy helping to clean the store) and I've had other social things going on at the same time. I haven't had a chance to keep up with the game - though I will as soon as I get a chance.

As such Vote: Abstain